Thread 96043598

FAHK YOU Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96031431

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

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>Tools
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>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Thread Question
If you could add one army to the game, what would it be?

So now that the dust has settled, why did the IDK flop?

>>96043598 (OP)
> Gets rid of the fag delt armor pads
> Keeps the dick flap
This nigga RUCKS

>>96043668
I don't think they flopped, but they clearly didn't set the world on fire. I would say the main issues are

-Elfs are supposed to be pretty and most of a standard army is going to be Namarti. Blind fish elves who you know are always damp and smell a bit

-The premise of the army is basically Dark Eldar, but the aesthetic doesn't show that at all. People who would want to play evil soul stealing elfs want models that LOOK like evil soul stealing elfs.

-corollary to that, people who like the look of the army and want to play beach elfs aren't going to be thrilled that the lore is they are the most evil faction in Order. And they are going to be especially not thrilled to find out that all the mounts have their brains broken to be able to accept the touch of these shitty elfs.

In short, not pretty enough but too pretty for their evil lore.

>>96043668
It's not even out yet but
> Slap chopped Battle time (aka copy paste for 90% of it)
> No new NON HERO UNITS
> No new ways to play, simply doubled down on eels
Like, I'm sure current IDK players are FINE with the book. The way they have been playing since 1st (eel spam) is essentially still going to work, and with the new tranny character, it's even better (they also didn't touch the sub faction that everyone was taking). I think a lot of the people shitting on it are people who aren't IDK players, but who would be interested in playing if it wasn't just eels, who are disappointed every book as eels remains the sole way to play (and not immediately lose).

painting more Steelhelms. The scheme is pretty simple and mostly Contrast but it took me a while to figure out which browns went where, so I'm doing something clever. I'm writing down what paints go where

>>96043668
They were competing with CHADthay.

>>96043598 (OP)
>TQ
Fucking none. Malerion is the only one I could reasonably give my blessings to. Subfactions are something I can give an argument for, tzeetnch being the thunderscorn, but hopefully with a new depiction than the lame ass dragon ogres. Also skimming through the lexi, tzeentch really is such a fucking nothing faction in execution. GW could use him and his followers as depictions of mental illnesses or if they really wanted to dumb them down but still keep them interesting, weaponize their schizophrenia.

>>96043668
same reason why space wolves flopped.

>>96043668
Because it was just the index but nerfed. No soul in the rules.
I'm really hoping 5th is a turn around, ignore tournament shit and make everything super fluffy with completely unique rules.

So, when is that stream thing?

>>96044304
18th. Whose the bone dude

>>96044329
Unnamed double peacock owner

>>96043668
Oh geez let's release more characters for armies desperately in need of units, that's a good trick!
Watch as KO sells gangbusters

>>96043814
Why did Space Wolves flop?

>>96044374
Ultra Marines are the only relevant space marines

>>96044374
people dont like animals

>>96044374
Marine fatigue is finally setting in.

Excuse me, but does anyone have a link to the new Soulblight Graverlords book, the one starring the armored skeletons?

>>96044456
No but I have the aos2 legions of nagash tome if you want it for the fluff

>>96043710
>they are the most evil faction in Order
Thank you.

>>96044364
Imagine being the idiot that turns up to battle without a single peacock, then having to bear witness to this absolute specimen wielding not one but two of those fucking things. You gotta just take the loss and go home at that point. Unnamed double peacock owner cannot be stopped

>>96044304
>>96044364
>Gee bill, how come your mom let's you have two peacocks

>>96044531
Thanks, but I already have that one. In fact, I have everything from the 1st to the 3rd edition, except for the second Tzeetch and the 3rd Flesh Eater.

Does anyone know the average height of the AoS races because the miniatures don't tell me anything?

>>96044631
And speaking of them, some of you don't have a link to those 2 books?

>>96044644
considering how everyone fucking cross breeds its almost impossible to tell. You can thank Morathi for that.

>>96044644
You should just assume standard LotR proportions for the big 3, ogors have models with humans on them, so you have a scale there. Gitz are short until they aren't, orrukz are definietly bigger than lotr orc, but there's a lot of variety to by how much.

Waiting for the first female skaven model to be released

>>96044806
They alreasy had broodmother like 2 decades ago

>>96044578
DoK are good girls though:
>keep chaos out
>lots of eye candy
>add new festivities and games, letting the family bond over watching naked elf sluts kill barbarians and monsters in the arena
>they are down to fuck

>>96043598 (OP)
Help me Anons, I try so hard to get into Age of Sigmar, but my favourite part of Warhammer (and fantasy in general) was always Dwarves. What's the problem? I'm not into diapers so Fyreslayers are right out [1], Kharadon Overlords (and entire concept of Chamon) are too far out for me and upcoming (slowly, in true Dwarven fashion) Chaos Dorfs are even bigger NO than Fyreslayers. Are there Dwarves-Dwarves in Age of Sigmar? Salt of the earth, miners, hard workers, biggest consumers of beer per capita (and if you make them grudge you'll be decapita)? Is there army for me in AoS?

[1] Fyreslayers would be interesting in "how many dirty compromises will you do for a chance to print your God to life?" context but that would require a good writer. Does Age of Sigmar have any good writers?

>>96044631
>except for the second Tzeetch
This one? Always eager to share the gifts of The Changer of Ways https://litter.catbox.moe/4xgeilvwqnghfcm9.pdf

>>96044865
You're fucked.

>>96044812
brood horror =/= broodmother =/= rat mother

Are Beastmen still gone from AoS?

>>96044969
Yes.

>>96044865
>Are there Dwarves-Dwarves in Age of Sigmar? Salt of the earth, miners, hard workers
Sure, there are Dispossessed in Cities of Sigmar... Whoopsie, they've been moved to The Old World. Sorry.
>Does Age of Sigmar have any good writers?
No. The best you can get is a half decent, serviceable and disposable commercial tie-in book. Something you read once and then instantly gorget.

>>96044865
fluffwise, normal dwarfs exist in aos
rulewise, normal dwarfs still exist as part of the cities of sigmar faction
modelwise, normal dwarfs were only the miniatures leftover from Warhammer fantasy and were recently put back there with the release of the old world

whether the rules and the fluff for them are also going to be removed in a year or two now that the models are gone is unknown, as is unknown whether gw will ever make a third order dwarf faction to sit alongside kharadrons and fyreslayers

the easiest solution for you is to use the normal dwarf models with the rules of another army, either cities of sigmar or chaos dwarfs since these two have (or are going to have) cannons, but it's a square peg in a round hole situation for you, I'm afraid

>>96045014
>no tzaangors in blood bowl
>no tzaangors in horus heresy
>no tzaangors in the old world
>no tzaangors in necromunda
>their fluff is perfectly explained already

shitty secondary meme from 40kfags

>>96044865
You should just play old world if you want old world dwarfs.

These guys are so much sturdier than the first lot of AoS Deathrattle Skeletons. If the new kit is as durable as the Barrow Guard kit, I may end up with 50 skellies.

>>96045030
>no tzaangors in irrelevant side product nobody cares about

>>96044819
Don't forget they saved Excelsis from Kragnos
Saved Anvilgard from Chaos cults.
Saved Azyr by stealing Archaon's Varanite horde and destroying the Varanite mine.
Gave Order a massive power boost with Morathi's ascension.

Order MVPs

>>96045105
FILTHY CHAOS MUTANT FAKE SNAKE!

>>96043668
Because James refuses to make new units for them.

>>96045110
Try harder to match up to her majesty.

>>96045030
>no tzaangors in blood bowl
Doesn't Tzeentch ru(i)n broadcasting infrastructure?

>>96043668
someone had the retarded idea that is namarti, the retarded idea that is making them "good", and an irrational aversion towards fishmen
so now idoneth cannot have anything but half naked retards and cannot have sick looking armors or monsters because they have to be defanged and friendly shit

>>96044865
I feel your pain fellow dwarfbro, truth is aos is a game of movement so the static gunline backed up with sturdy dwarf lads playstyle doesn't really work here. Cities with heavy proxying is probably your best bet, thunderers as fusiliers, warriors as steelhelms etc but even then the strength in cities is teleporting and deep striking. I'm going to dive in to chorfs personally, I've toyed with the idea of doing an old world dwarf army just for nostalgia though.

>>96044993
>as is unknown whether gw will ever make a third order dwarf faction to sit alongside kharadrons and fyreslayers
not only they should make it, they should soup the dwarfs in one book too

>>96044891
Happen to have the 1e book as well? Someone linked the first edition but it was not in English.

>>96044969
It's all the part of KE-KE-KEIKAKU. (Those poor guys struck by the blue mist will turn into Tzaangors, right?)

>>96045203
nope, just spawns

>>96045110
How dare you talk about our goddess like that

>>96044993
>fluffwise, normal dwarfs exist in aos
haven't been reading the fluff since Dawnbringers evidently. Verminslayer treats them like a different faction isolated from humanity

>>96044819
>>96045105
Well when you put it that way...

>>96045193
I really like that berzerker design, lately the fyreslayers have been calling to me and I don't like that fact. Luckily their basic troops still look like shit or it could've gotten ugly.

>>96045239
even dawnbringer mentions them alongside the crusade and actively helping in fighting and settling in embergard, just because some dispossessed are answering the call of grugni and migrating to chamon for some unknown purpose it doesn't mean they aren't, at large, still part of the free cities.

>>96045239
>>96045249
Also they are mentioned as an integral part of Hammerhall in Tahlia's book

>>96045239
The gotrek books get a lot of shit wrong.

>>96045213
>AoS gets a waifu army
>beloved by its users, hated by everyone else
>TOW gets a waifu army(seriously read the dragon fluff)
>beloved by its users, hated by everyone else
We are more alike than we are different.

>>96045311
>a waifu army

>>96045197
Try this link
https: slash slash mega-tron<dot>nz slash file slash Tx9QCSBZ#MgIwIeG34mWW3hHMT1HobIgucPDcUCMgQ93bKQJyKtU
Note: The link is misspelled on purpose in one name. You can already guess what it is.

>>96044891
Dude, thanks for the link. I appreciate it.
Now I only need the 3rd edition of the Flesh Eaters. There was one out there, but it was of very poor visual quality.

>>96045311
Nah, I use Delves in Fantasy to go with my DoK

>>96045394
It's been 7 years, where is the poor guy?

>>96044865
there currently are (but not for long) dispossessed in cities of sigmar, which are what you're looking for. their model kits have been reboxed for the old world though so look on that section of the site if you want to get them

unfortunately, despite being part of the cities of sigmar for 3 editions and in lore hundreds if not thousands of years, petty internal corporate policy at games workshop has stated that they will not allow a model kit to be used for 2 games at the same time, and have allowed old world to rip away large swaths of armies or sometimes entire armies wholesale like beasts of chaos from the game, often with no immediate replacement.

the scuttlebutt behind the scenes is that the aos team is furious about it but someone in specialist games studio responsible for the old world has some pull with the higher ups and so they are getting carte blanche choice of the aos fantasy kits to steal as they please with no plans to replace a lot of them

so, you can still play them for now in age of sigmar using the cities rules (and they are actually pretty good, hammerers slap), but i would not expect it to be a long lived collection as almost every other old fantasy kit has been removed at this point except for a few hold out elves.

Tick tock, siggy piggies

>>96045242
i picked up fyreslayers and dont regret it, even the basic troops look decent if you avoid the heads with the beards flared out to the side and give them axes and shields instead of dual axes, which helps break up the symmetry.

if trolltrader ships to your country i'd check them out. thats where i got my fyreslayers for dirt cheap, like 60% off what GW normally charges for my country. got a full 2k army for like $200 all said and done.

>>96045507
Dorfs are probably getting squatted but with index rules they'll be solid until 5th edition given battletomes are basically reprints so the power level will remain the same

>>96045514
I hope not, imagine GW trying to pull something like the Gitmob box for Old World.

>>96045401
Will be part of DoK wave 2

>>96045556
We're more likely to have Malekith as made to order in TOW before GW remembers he has an army they can sell people.

>>96045548
imagine

>>96045558
They would but I think they're scared of Disney lawyers

>>96045560
Heh.

>>96045580
They already re-named him to Malerion in TOW, even GW's lawyers aren't that incompetent.

It really feels like they just kinda hate Dark Elves these days though. Ignored in TOW, Ignored in AoS, barely supported in 40K.

>>96045556
I'm not talking about that crisp dick, lazy fuck, wizard scared, dead named, malekith

I'm talking about the monk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=twhmKjfp6Mk

>>96045560
Yeah, imagine

>>96045617
They're just a Chaos army that they can't openly call Chaos, which is awkward.
They're chaos elfs. Always were.
Morathi's current model is almost identical to Slaanesh Primarch's

>>96045643
>awful Orc and Gobbo box that gives you like 50 points worth of trash models
>AWFUL High Elf Box that packages all the worst models in the entire range
>Ok Chaos box that uses dated models that still hold up decently, but given how elite WoC are you could just buy the AoS SC box instead and get better models. You'll never use all those Chaos Warriors anyway.
>Sick deal on a brand new army

Shocker, TOW boxes are either great or a huge ripoff depending on what you buy just like everything else GW puts out.

>>96045650
That is a good point, honestly. They're kinda redundant with Slaanesh making a comeback especially.

>>96045643
how does this changes the first picture?

>>96045560
now compare the rest

>>96045662
>>Sick deal on a brand new army
Why didn't gitmob get a sick deal on their brand new army?

I have a ton of Chaos Knights.

Is it possible to build a half decent army with either just knights or mostly knights?

>>96045681
>online only
>online only
>online only
only retards buy GW shit at full price, online only stuff can only go with a -10% discount, while the rest can go as low as -25%, so the snarlboss is effectively 46£

>>96045684
Gitmob are just an abberation. Their pricing is stupid even compared to every other AoS release this year or last year.

Someone at GW really fucked up hard when decided how much they were going to sell Gitmob for, and then the design team made it even worse by giving them shitastic rules, so the end result is an unplayable subfaction of super-expensive models that aren't even worth 2 points/$ that don't do anything in game anyway. A rare shitshow all around.

>>96044993
>as is unknown whether gw will ever make a third order dwarf faction
Root Kings!
Root Kings!
Root Kings!

>>96045701
Yes, it's a great warscroll and it also has decent hero support, so if you've got the models, filling out an army with them shouldn't be difficult. The main issue is that you'll need to find a way to always keep charging with units, because holy fuck their damage is dependent on charging.

>>96045721
That's such a non-faction, you'd better clamour for gnomes at that point.

>>96045711
when you put it like that I'm getting fimir flashbacks

>>96045701
Proxy them as Mega Gargants, they're basically the same thing between the two systems

>>96045721
That's just a Sylvaneth auxyliary.
Like they're whole thing is chosing to hang out with Sylvaneth

>>96045560
DELET THIS

>>96045213
I see the Korean flesh surgeons finally figured out how to get the breasts right.

>>96045746
I'd be happy with that
>>96045781
I'd be happy with that

>>96045560
>>96045681
Some tow metal models are just outrageously expensive. Centigors are 62.5 yuros for an ancient 5-man kit, (holds up decently desu), while stuff like blood knights, freeguild cav, loomie dawnriders are "only" 55.

>>96045781
GW really needs to slap itself in the face, get real and make a proper system for allying shit together
for all I care they could even paywall the system with a big book of alliances that lists all the individual interactions, but they have to do it in a way that isn't just regiments of renown because that shit isn't enough to represent the breadth of the realms

>>96045844
No, fuck off with allying, it's never worked. Lots of people claiming "oh, I just want these two factions working together, that'd be so cool!" but every. single. time it just ends up as faggots minmaxing the shit out of the system and abusing some broken combination GW didn't see coming because there's a bazillion possible combinations.

>>96045882
>it just ends up as faggots minmaxing the shit out of the system
that happens with literally everything and yet I don't see you arguing in favour of removing unit options in certain armies.

besides GW has almost completely removed any possibility of rules interactions between different armies, allies would be just 2 armies standing side by side, not crossing their respective rules.

>>96045897
There's a vast difference between "this army has ten different units and five support heroes" and "you can ally in potentially hundreds of different units". Most often, it manifests in elite armies getting access to cheap chaff they're not supposed to have, but it takes many forms.

>>96045897
>besides GW has almost completely removed any possibility of rules interactions between different armies, allies would be just 2 armies standing side by side, not crossing their respective rules.
Which you think would go together naturally with the regiment system in 4th.

>>96045836
Yeah TOW isn't really any cheaper than AoS, it just has a more dramatic cost tiering system
>battalion boxes (mostly decent)
>plastic troop boxes (pretty good model/price ratio usually)
>plastic heroes (Okayish is they're like centerpiece models and not online only. Enjoy paying AoS prices for old pos plastic foot heroes otherwise)
>new resin heroes (MORE expensive than AoS plastic heroes, but it hardly matters because they're permanently out of stock anyways. You won't buy them because you can't)
>almost anything metal (holy fuck these are expensive)

Overall TOW isn't actually cheaper than AoS most of the time when you sit down and put a list together. It feels good at the start because you buy the value boxes with piles of little plastic guys but GW will still take your kidneys to finish the army.

>>96045918
>Most often, it manifests in elite armies getting access to cheap chaff they're not supposed to have
That doesn't happen with regiments of renown, why would it happen with allies?

We can't have flexible ally systems because muh competitive play

>>96043668
because its still 4th edition
>3 heroic traits
>3 artifacts
>1 spell lore
>subfactions total shit
>regiments total shit
yawn

>>96045960
Because pretty much every single RoR is expensive as fuck points wise, or is deliberately set up in such a way that you can't use the cheap chaff units as chaff (Nurgle's Gift is the prime example). Very few RoRs are under 200, and most are way above that, and thus too expensive to be chaff. If you had a more free ally system, you'd just take the chaff unit and not the hero most RoRs force on you as well. In earlier 10th ed 40k, chaos forces used to ally in nurglings as chaff all the time, but that stopped the second GW forced players to take a hero if they wanted to ally in more daemons and thus made it points inefficient. People don't ally for fluff reasons, even in casual games.

>>96046022
If requiring a hero fixes the chaff problem, then why not just require a hero? Make it so an army can include one allied regiment, with all the inherent requirements and restrictions, up to 25% of the total points cost of the list.

I was going to ask if you guys thought the Steam Tank would be in this edition's Cities Battletome, but I checked the webzone and it's not even listed on the Cities page any more.

lol. fuck me I guess. lmao

>>96046116
There'll be a replacement for it
Eventually. Probably a little cogfort or something

>>96045997
Army specific armies/regiments of renown are hogging potential options for the base army’s enhancement choices and it sucks. The fucking Volturnos one has mount traits, why can’t the base army get them?

>>96046128
because its easier to balance, and the design team is obsessed with only two things:
1. army win rates
2. inclusion rates
yes they really believe that if every army is 50% +- 5% and every unit/enhancement is >10% inclusion then the game is perfect

>>96046116
Cogforts soon™.

>>96046116
>>96046127
>>96046180
I do remember the usual rumourmongers say to have hope for CoS this edition, so maybe sooner than we think

>>96046116
say goodbye to steamed tanks and say hello to cogforts

>>96046056
Because the chaff problem is just one of several issues with being able to freely ally.
>but why not just fix all of those problems?
Then you just end up with something like the RoR system anyway. Any sort of ally system that isn't extremely restrictive leads to abuse.
Really, if you're so adamant about wanting to ally forces together, why not just do it? Ask your buddies "hey, I think this would be a cool and narrative thing to do, can I ally in this regiment? I'll pay 50 points extra for the privilege."
No one's going to refuse in a friendly game.
Of course, the truth is that people who want allies for that sort of thing already does it, the only ones who want broad ally systems are fags who are looking to abuse it.

>>96046280
bullshit corporate bootlicker excuses

>>96046291
No, really, why aren't you just asking your friends if you can use this cool thing you want to use in the game? Are you afraid GW is going to come to your house and steal your models if you don't exactly follow their rules as written on the stone tablets?

>>96046302
>No, really
Yes, really, you're defending laziness which limits the scope of armies one can play AND find for no real reason

if you think friendly games are the solution to all problems why do you attack a system that could only possibly get abused in unfriendly games? surely it wouldn't touch you in the slightest, right?

you dishonest cuck

>>96045844
Dispossessed regiment of renown was one of the first ones they did.
Did you put them in your order army?

>>96046326
>Yes, really, you're defending laziness which limits the scope of armies one can play AND find for no real reason
The reason is that it DOES get abused. I play both casual, narrative games and the occasional tournament so a broad ally system would affect me. Definitely loved playing against eversors standing in front of riptides in 7th ed 40k. GW has tried to make ally rules work for decades. They have literally never succeeded, and I don't know any other game that handles it well either. It ALWAYS gets minmaxed to hell and back. RoRs aren't immune to this either, no one uses the Saviors of Cinderfall because they like the Callis/Toll books.
Fags like you claim you want an ally system, but you'll never use it (probably because you don't play games), and you refuse to accept easy and available solutions. If I wanted to use broader ally rules than currently in the game, I'd simply ask the guy I'm playing against if he's cool with what I'm bringing. I've never had anyone refuse an anvil character, for example.

>>96046429
>40k examples of a completely alien edition to GW's current design philosophies regarding rules interactions.
You are a cuck and are defending bad choices and laziness in rules writing.
>and you refuse to accept easy and available solutions.
your easy and available solutions is to not have the rules for it at all, you faggot.

>>96046384
they really got the suckers with that one

>>96043668
I personally just didn't buy any because I'm waiting for the tome to see what all I can get for cheap. I'm a more patient buyer than most though and nothing they are selling is FOMO like a battle box or anything.

>>96043598 (OP)
are there any recommended silver tower supplements, official or player created?

Now that chorf doubters have been firmly btfo, what do you think will be the 12 rumoured kits we'll get ? From what I've seen this doesn't include the horns of hashut nor the kb hobgrots. There's also been rumours of "dreadnought" which i'm assuming is to astragoth's walker like what droggz is to grom. Going off recent cathay releases it'll be a lot of heroes and centrepieces, not a lot of normal units. With that in mind:

>1. Chaff Orruk ""labourers""
>2. Mid tier chorf melee infantry
>3. Elite chorf melee infantry (possibly hybrid ?)
>4. Chorf ranged infantry (blunderbuss ?)
>5. 3 man bull centaur unit
>6. Grot overseer character
>7. Chorf melee character
>8. Chorf wizard character
>9. Named character on taurus/llamasu (dual build for generic character ?)
>10. Named "dreadnought" character
>11. Artillery centrepiece (dreadquake mortar, lots of seismic references in article)
>12. Either kdai fireborn or destroyer

>>96043598 (OP)
>If you could add one army to the game, what would it be?
I think we got all the armies we need. At this point I'd just refresh the auxilary parts of Cities of Sigmar, maybe add a few sons of Behemot, and add some human cultusts to the Chaos armies. Besides that, I'd just straight chill.

Ohh, also keep Warcry. Or, if it's hemorrhaging money or whatever, at least have an archive of the rules to download forever. But Warcry doesn't seem that much worse off than the other GW "other games", certainly if Blood Bowl is still going strong Warcry should have some shot at existing.

Dispossessed look like that?!

>>96046870
>>1. Chaff Orruk ""labourers""
not happening
>>3. Elite chorf melee infantry (possibly hybrid ?)
not happening
>>6. Grot overseer character
not happening
>>7. Chorf melee character
not happening
>>12. Either kdai fireborn or destroyer
not happening

>>96043598 (OP)
>TQ
>If you could add one army to the game, what would it be?
Space Marines

>>96047067
They're already in the game.

>>96047025
Nigga can't even format a 4chan post

>96047140
I choose not to

>>96047081
Black Templar

>>96047215
Also in the game.

>>96047025
The others i can see your skepticism, but I'm curious why you don't think an elite Infantry option or a basic melee character won't be coming

>>96044865
Buy the tow dwarf range and proxy anything without a scroll as other cities units. Anvil of Doom as Pontifex, warriors as steel helms etc.

>>96046280
>Any sort of ally system that isn't extremely restrictive leads to abuse.
Who cares lol
Oh right, competitive faggots care.

>>96046870
>their hobgrots
>chorf infantry
>chorf artillery
>chorf dreadnot!
>bull centaurs
>lammasu
>scenery
>spells
>hero 1: wizard
>hero 2: engineer
>hero 3: bull centaur
>hero 4: female priest

>>96046870
>1. Named black female slavemaster
>2. Hobgrot slaves (1/10 are an Orruk)
>3. Named wizard
>4. Named bulltaur hero
>5. Named lanky demonprince style hero
>6. Ranged unit
>7. Artillery
>8. Generic infantry melee hero
>9. Fire daemons
>10. Bull centaurs
>11. Endless Spells
>12. Terrain

>>96046280
>Any sort of ally system that isn't extremely restrictive leads to abuse.
And removal of ally system leads to absurdities like Blades of Khorne being unable to use Slaughterbrute because it was listed in STD battletome.

>>96046870
This seems mostly reasonable to me. 12 units probably means 9-10ish unique kits. I expect:

4-5 to be characters (foot lord, foot wizard(s), cavalry lord/wizard, dreadnaught named-character)
1-2 artillery (dreadquake and maybe a cannon)
1-2 cavalry (bulls and maybe hobgrots)
1 ranged infantry (blunderbusses)
1 chaff malee (hobgrots)
1 medium-elite melee (chorfs)

Idk if they'll go with the slaves/"labourer" thing for the actual army. It will probably be stated in the lore that chorfs use slaves, but I'm guessing their chaff units are hobgrots, like in total war

>CoS
>look at accurate rumor list
>remaining elves, squatted
>remaining dwarves, squatted
>remaining humans, replaced

>webstore
>darklings, present
>black ark corsairs, present
>dwarves, gone
>steam tank, gone
>flagallents, gone
>Black Ark Fleetmaster, gone

I honestly don't know anymore. Why keep the Black Ark Corsairs on the store, but remove their leader? Why launch with dwarves, remove them from the store, but not Dark Elves? It's all so fucking random.

The fuck? When did the Admiral leave?

>>96047776
*Black Ark Fleetmaster

>>96047350
this sounds dreadful

>>96047798
What's that robot artwork?

>>96047754
CoS abandoned subfactions because it became a Human focused battletome. They just lumped all Aelves and all Duardin together so it's a book of three keywords with no synergy between them

>>96047828
an old adrian smith's piece for chaos dwarfs

>>96047839
So it doesn't matter if the Fleetmaster is there. There's four Aelf leaders and that's enough for GW.

>>96047754
dark elves will be removed when umbraneth get closer, until then GW wants an offering of dark elves on their store in some form.

>>96047844
That DOES look a lot like a dreadnought.

>>96047798
make the hero on lammasu have a generic option, make the cannon and golem have alternative builds and that would be fine by me.

>>96043598 (OP)
>If you could add one army to the game, what would it be?
Tyranids.

>2nd edition
>stormcast have 30 artefacts
>and 7x6 realm artefacts to choose from
>6 command traits
>9 mount traits
>9 spells
>6 prayers
>8 subfactions
>almost 20 battalions
what the fuck went wrong

>>96045335
Thank you, Anon! I was hoping to get a copy of the first book! Have a great day, you certainly made my day!

>>96047854
GW already has an offering of dark elves.

Umbraneth are 5 years away, if they're ever coming at all.

>>96047969
>muh competitive play
>I and the 1% of consumers who attend tournaments only pick the best X so they shouldn't print the others

>>96047996
>Umbraneth

DESU Malerion is a bit of pussy not activly fighting chaos like his mom and her cult.

>>96047844
>>96047865
shit yeah, we might actually be seeing that. It looks okay I guess ?

>>96048002
Even the Compfags complain about the lack of choices since a lot of them enjoy listbuilding.
And having one obvious choice makes it too straightforward thus boring.

I honestly think its just GW being lazy. "If we cant balance 10 artifacts we just make 3 shitty ones"

>>96047498
Half of them will be black females. I bet the bull centaurs specially.

>>96048095
>make 3 shitty ones
it's not supposed to be balanced, it's an option of player expression. Stop drying because you have pointed enhancements now so you little bitches can stick to the most expensive ones

>>96048124
BVLL Centaurs

>>96045882
as if I give a shit about tournyshit, kurleyboys should be able to take trolls and gitmob and a mancrusher giant.

>>96047798
All the chorf warmachines are great but I really hope the skullcracker comes back in some form. It's so fucking stupid I can't help but love it.

>>96046280
There is no "chaff problem". Every single army except exclusively ironjaws and giants has chaff already. IJ can get it by playing big waagh and giants replicate it with mancrushers.

>>96045560
The brittish prices really drive home how much GW is fucking people.

>>96048002
2nd had more tournament focus than any other edition, stop blaming it because its not issue. They're dumbing the game down for casuals not for competitive retard.

>>96048397
That was Dark Eldar for me. Just freely and effortlessly swapping heads, arms, torsos, and legs around on the non-haemonculus coven stuff. I realized a bit too late so most of my stuff is still pretty uniform with some minor changes.

>>96047844
Can't believe I have never seen this art.
Dig it.

>>96047996
>GW already has an offering of dark elves
nope, women don't count

>>96047844
This would be ideal, really.
As long as it's got alternative hand options like the skullcracker stuff or a lava cannon.

>>96048279
They'll never manufacture behind Nottingham (Chink shit hardlly counts) so taxes as a given

So bare with an on again off again lurker here. If I'm understanding this correctly GW doesn't want cross game armies? Does that mean we're going to lose Mawtribes to Old World? Do we lose daemons to 40k?

>>96047844
great artwork, but damn that's literally just a 40k dreadnought lol
>>96048971
>GW doesn't want cross game armies
that seems to be the way the wind is blowing yeah, at least for unit kits. It's why tow has to use the beyond ancient treeman kit instead of the 8th edition once, why beastmen got squatted from aos, and why a bunch of 30k stuff was made legends for 40k.
>mawtribes
they're legends in tow, who knows. They might get updated and then the old stuff opens up for tow, or they might get squatted to there whole-sale.
>daemons
the way things are going it's looking like 40k is losing daemons to us honestly. More likely they'll just stop being their own army and just start hanging on the deity legions

>>96049024
>might lose the only destruction army that interests me
damnit
>AoS getting something over the golden child that is 40k
Pic related

>>96049069
Would.

>>96043598 (OP)
>tq
We shouldn't get more armies after chorfs, and instead focus on updating and expanding the ones we have now. But as long as we're wishlisting :
Silent People
Umbraneth
[Spoiler]drogrukh[/spoiler]
>>96049069
The avengorii have cool lore and they're a great concept in theory but the execution just sliiiightly misses the mark imo

>>96047996
>GW already has an offering of dark elves
Not until there's witch elf equivalents to every dark elf unit, and considering GW is already going back on this being the femdom faction if half naked sluts and shoe-horning men on and giving the women pants, they never will be.

>>96047754
every WHFB model is going back to TOW, even DoK as they will get new wytches eventually.
The new AoS dark elves will look like the underworlds team and the new DoK will be modern wytches and the snakes were always AoS.


>>96046870
>AoS getting more WHFB sloppy seconds armies
why cant we get original things anymore?

>>96049425
The snakes and harpies will also go to TOW and be replaced with new figures.

>>96049190
>the execution just sliiiightly misses the mark imo
it's because they don't try to have an aesthetic of their own like the different bloodlines used to do.
They did a generic von carstein vampire with a mutant half and only then decided it would be a new bloodline.
lauka is completely removed from the traditional askurgan attire and the normal vengirian from the fact they're supposed to be from a cabal of wizards.
if they had decided this was an extreme end of the kastelai dynasty, where a member doesn't just suppress his inner beast but tames it like a knight does with a steed, then it would have something going on for it.

>>96049442
I don't think snakes or harpies would rank well on squares, also morathi is heavily snake themed in aos. They fit better in aos. But witch elves, cauldron and doomfire warlocks will definitely disappear given they're just dark elves

>>96049425
>>96049511
I find it way more likely that aos keeps the witches and cauldron and instead tow uses the old metal witches and old metal cauldron, sisters of slaughter and bloodwrack medusa are irrelevant.

warlocks are going to fantasy but only because they're attached to dark riders, which aos refuses to have, despite them and assassins making perfect sense to be found in the khainite cult, but whatever.

>>96049511
Oh no, they rank up. I had mine on squares before switching them to rounds since they only exist to look nice on my shelf.

>>96043598 (OP)
Soon

Do you think Maggot kin will get beastmen rolled into their faction?

>>96049579
The beasts, they are monstrous and free in the old world.

>>96049579
Yes, pestigors are the one rumor we have about nurgle this edition.

>>96049592
BAKA they should be in chains used as cannon fodder

>>96049607
Worth noting if we're mining 1e nostalgia that pestigors were prominent in the RGW books

>>96049766
>1e nostalgia
no such thing

>>96049024
>the way things are going it's looking like 40k is losing daemons to us honestly.
Repeat after me. IMPERIALIZATION OF CHAOS.

I believe in the Imperialization of Chaos is the ultimate goal of the Emperor and the point of the setting. The Emperor plans to rewrite all of the Immaterium into his image. Abaddon the Loyalist, his greatest ally, is secretly into this plan. This is why he chose the name Imperium Nihilius, to retain the name Imperium.

Together, all of Chaos will become theirs. Khorne will wake up on his Golden Skull Throne, not realizing there's anything wrong. Tzeentch will be unable to shapeshift in any form but Space Marines. The only drugs going through Slaanesh will be performance enhancers for Space Marines. Nurgle's Nurglings have already started wearing human hats. The process has begun and cannot be stopped. Besides Daemons, all Chaos on tabletop is already Chaos Imperium. Eventually there will only be Chaos Imperium. Then there will be no Chaos without Imperium.

It's already working marvelously. The poster children for Chaos are CSM who fight with Bolters, Plasma, and other Imperial weapons. No Chaos Xenos exist. Daemons will be squatted and soon all Chaos will be Imperium + Spikes.

Chaos will become Imperialized. Just imagine what this means, the Immaterium composed of thoughts from countless universes, all being Imperium. This means across all realities, it's impossible to even THINK of non-Imperial things. This is the Emperor's goal.

>>96049861
fuck off

>>96049795
We just got a Tornus model alongside refreshed liberators? Khul and Vandus may come later?
I know you're a secondary manchild but stop being retarded

>>96049893
Simple continuity is not nostalgia, you retard.

>>96049907
Yes, they made a hero for the background characters from 1e for
>continuity
You know Ionus was a generic warscroll right? Absolute retard

>>96049923
>this guy thinks anyone cares about 1e slop

>>96049965
GW? You have no impact on the game you fucking retard. They're delving into 1e nostalgia for the latest releases, it's not unreasonable to expect more of the same.
>hurrr durrr my favourite youtubers told me about the joke rules!
go back

>>96049499
Mhya, maybe that's it. They're supposed to embrace their bestial nature but have this pristine gothic armour on their top half. I mean they live in underground sprawling catacombs man.
>>96049861
>

>>96049923
>Yes, they made a hero for the background characters from 1e for
>>continuity
Yes, it was a character, they made a character model, it's not difficult.
There's no nostalgia involved.

>>96049923
Do you think the sun rises every day out of nostalgia for the day before?

>>96050009
Anon, Tornus is an irrelevant black library character with one blurb outside it. You are full of shit. Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and stop posting
Ionus was more prominent in the RGW campaign books but there was no reason to revive the character let alone tie to Sacrosanct and double down on his bonds to Vandus EXCEPT to cater to those fans of 1e material.

>bringing back characters from 1st edition doesn't mean they brought back characters from 1st edition
what

>>96050061
bringing back characters from 1st edition doesn't mean they're nostalgic for it. it is basic continuity to bring back characters and storylines left behind since 1st edition

Isnt tornus a 2e thing anyway? Pretty sure plauge garden came out during soul wars since he was written by the best black library writer that has ever graced GW

people act like
>suddenly updating the vandus-khul storyline for the first time in 9 years
>bringing back ionus with a brand new unique model 9 years later
>giving tornus a model after 9 years
>refreshing liberators, prosecutors and other launch kits
means GW are reflecting upon 1st edition but isn't that just continuity? I know it all happened sequentially but like let's ignore that
>>96050095
He's from the RGW books and plaguegarden was more than a year before 2e?
It all fits it you just ignore every fact I guess

>>96050095
it'd be really embarrassing if he was actually the most prolific author in 1st edition right?

>>96050038
>Tornus is an irrelevant black library character with one blurb outside it
which is why giving it a miniature isn't nostalgia, because it's irrelevant and nobody really had any strong opinion about it, it's just a character that existed, which now gets a model.
it's not "nostalgia for 1e"

>>96050114
I genuinely hope you're not the same retard who thinks kruleboys are the new basic greenskin, because if so that's another redflag about the fact you should seek a professional about your multiple schizoid convictions.

>>96050223
Anon, they DID release stuff in reference to 1st edition material. They DID continue storylines from 1st edition material. They DID refresh models from 1st edition.
And you think it's impossible that pestigors may come out for Maggotkin given their prominence alongside them in 1st edition material because... You aren't nostalgic for 1st edition material?

Reminder that faction leader of SoB is just avdeep cut refrence to Realmgate Wars

>>96050239
No one was arguing that. They were just saying Greenskinz were squatted so Kruleboyz could come out and Kruleboyz reference Greenskinz and older elements of GW Orcs.
You need to seek a diagnosis for autism.

>>96050261
what do sisters of battle have to do with realmgates?

>>96050252
Digging up something from 1st edition is not "nostalgia bait for fans of 1st edition".

>>96050274
>No one was arguing that
And now come the selective delusions.

>>96050283
>mining 1st edition nostalgia
is not just another way of saying
>mining 1st edition material
alright you legitimate autist. Go stim or something retard

>>96050276
They come from there.

>>96050296
>pointing out how Kruleboyz reference Greenskinz design elements
does not mean you are arguing
>Kruleboyz are literally Greenskinz and evolve into Ironjawz
You are autistic

>>96050297
Nostalgia is a very specific feeling, anon; literally noone is being nostalgic for 1st edition.

I miss autistic dorf anon, these guys should genuinely be castrated or put down but he was nice

I'm going to have to make a bingo of topics that bring out the spergs on this thread
>horse proportions
>what counts as a reference
>what counts as nostalgiabait
>tannes kharadron women

>>96050310
Just because you don't feel something doesn't mean others can't? Can you talk to your helper about it? She'll explain it retard

>>96050303
>Kruleboyz reference Greenskinz design elements
But they don't, the previous thread was very comprehensive about how all the elements you think are references to greenskinz specifically were either grasping at straws or not designs specific to 'greenskinz'.

>>Kruleboyz are literally Greenskinz and evolve into Ironjawz
literally noone said this, whatever this means

>>96050342
>kruleboys are the new basic greenskin
What does this mean then?

>>96050380
gutrippaz are the cheapest per model orc thus they are the basic orc, there is no argument against this simple fact.

>>96050409
>genuinely hope you're not the same retard who thinks kruleboys are the new basic greenskin

>>96050380
>What does this mean then?
That you last thread sperged about kruleboys being refreshed greenskins for nonsensical reasons.

Ardboys aren't made up of the toughest non-Ironjawz Orruks anymore, they're just Ironjawz now

>>96050438
that isnt any semblance of an argument, you just don't like kb.

>>96050438
I'm not picking a side in this fight, but I genuinely hope you're not some gigaretard who thinks Greenskins are totally coming back to AoS and that's why Kruelboyz make you seethe.

>>96050380
Whatever you meant here, you delusional schizo.
>>96038974

>>96050458
But I like kruleboys, I like them enough to appreciate them for what they are instead of pretending they're something they're most evidently not.

>>96050450
I think Greenskinz were squatted because they bloat the range and step on the toes of Kruleboyz.
Kruleboyz reference Greenskinz in some ways, older citadel Orcs in others. That's expected of an Orc army.
I'd say it's fair to claim they're a refresh but not in some direct replacement sense like Moonclan to Gloomspite as much as "these are the Orruks that aren't Ironjawz or Bonesplitterz".

>>96050471
This.

>>96050471
>Kruleboyz reference Greenskinz in some ways
No, they don't.
>"these are the Orruks that aren't Ironjawz or Bonesplitterz".
That wouldn't make them greenskinz or greenskinz analogues or greenskinz replacements, it makes them a new type of orc, which is what they are.

>>96050471
>and step on the toes of Kruleboyz.
No, they don't.
if you think a wyvern steps on the toes of a vulture then you must think the mawkrusha also does
if you think orc boys step on the toes of gutrippaz then you must think arsboys also do
if you think orc shamans step on the toes of the swampcaller then you must think the weirdnob also does

>>96050518
The Maw Krusha is a reference to the old orc wyvern. Are we arguing Ironjawz are original with no nods to the past too?

>>96050518
Yes or no, are you trying to argue that there's room for GW to release Greenskins for AoS?

>>96050489
don't they have the same kind skull on the banners of both horde infantry units? It's cute little references man stop sperging

>>96050550
Nta but there’s probably room for one more orc archetype of speed, so maybe a refresh later of some kind of cavalry/mobility focused orcs. Of course I’d rather Ironjawz get its range rounded out

>>96050558
They're legitimately autistic and cannot process a similarity between two different things. They're two different armies so they have to be completely independent, his brain can't compute it.

this Hatchette website is complete garbage, its like this company actively doesn't want you to buy their shit.

>>96050570
they tried to round out their range and they couldn't come up with anything except derivatives of units they already had.

>>96050570
That just sounds like Gitmob but Orcs.

>>96050614
Gitmob is filled with gitz. I want proper boyz
>>96050586
Rogue idol monster, chaff armored squigs or something, and cannon boyz. Ragers and big pigs are fine enough too

>>96050570
Greenskinz were just horde Ironjawz, I don't think that's necessary but I'd appreciate an Ardboy cav and wizard if even the Hobgrots can get a hero and a little niche why can't Ardboys stand alone as a little army inside Ironjawz?

>>96050586
There's a novella with a maw krusha tamer/breeder. That'd be a great hero/unit imo

>>96050643
>I want proper boyz
Play Old World then.

>>96050570
That's just IJ running big pigs and goregruntas

>>96043668
Like the latest release or up to current day?

Latest release there's probably not a lot of people that are willing to plop down $40+ for a single model when they can just play spearhead, or if the played aos 3e there's a decent chance they're not interested in playing or don't feel the impulse to just buy something as strongly. I honestly can't think of a single reason to recommend someone jump into 2k when spearhead provides a much better experience.

Historically providing a new concept vs something like traditional elves is a harder sell. The models are fantastic but could also be intimidating (but that hasn't stopped armies from doing well in the past). Speaking as someone who got into the game with OBR, having a new faction sucks when you get mostly foot heroes for new releases, or the army doesn't play the way you thought it would. I can easily see someone buying into certain parts of the army and being disappointed over time when nothing really changes, namarti (outside reavers) has been pretty awful for a while. It's pretty wild that this edition, even above other ones, you can have a totally shit experience if you try playing a list that somewhat resembles an army or mixed force. Putting a 400-500 points of battleline infantry should be a positive thing, not something that gives your opponent a 500 point advantage.

>>96050580
It seems very hit or miss. I had no problems checking out and getting my models, but a lot of people have said they had to use PayPal because otherwise the cart keep failing to work. Their customer service is really nice though, you could try reaching out to them.

>>96044993
I like the shiny uniform presentation. Dwarves live in close proximity underground, so you know that to avoid enmity they are generally fairly conformist, unfussy and very clean - like Scandis. The mavericks go berserking and ranging above ground.

>but dwarves are dirty and rowdy drunks who love grudges

Yeah, when things go off the rails it do be like that. But I guarantee you Dwarves have a very communitarian, almost bureaucratic mindset. They run a tight ship because they are a mining company that live virtually on top of one another.

Also hating Chaos Dwarves is fruity AF
At this point AOS needs something as cool as Chaos Dwarves
You just know they will remove the cool "Ancient Assyrians but with gunpowder" vibe and have Lizzo Chaos Dwarves because idk people feel obligated at this point

>>96043710
>Elfs are supposed to be pretty
Elves making every human, regardless of gender, horny hasn't been fluff for nearly forty years. Anime elves does not translate to Warhammer elves.

>>96050973
Nah that's crepe
Warhammer elves are specifically chiselled gods

What size base are these lads meant to be on, in AoS? I have some from launch I used for 40k back in the day on 25s I think? Plastic Cemented. Can I run them with the Bloodbound I have from 1e?

>>96051000
No, they're not. They're specifically referred to as weird looking. Elves aren't anime elves, they have unsettling features to humans. It's why GW changed the fluff to be 'from superficial appearance they're attractive but when they move they unsettle humans'. As for fantasy, this is the same but GW has never made it clear whether they have human like eyes or the deep black ones. Both art is depicted.

Point is, elves aren't just pointy ear humans or your anime waifu and outside of coom art, they're specifically unsettling outside of superficial appearances.

>>96051013
Bloodletters are on 32mm bases, and they can be run in blades of khorne armies or legion of the first prince armies for slaves to darkness

>>96051050
Cheers, thank you Anon. Not sure how I will rebase them but I can try. Thinking of painting up my old starter box and trying a game.

>>96051035
Like 99% of that is obviously just cultural or exposure based. Seeing something that resembles a human but is a little off and moves differently is unsettling and uncanny because it’s so unfamiliar yet familiar at the same time, same would have to be true about dwarves and in 40k other abhuman strains. If you live around them a lot and perceive them as normal people, that wouldn’t really exist, which I imagine is true in the mortal realms.

You sort of see that as true in that aelves are only considered weird or offputting in narratives taking place in isolated parts of the realms which have basically no local aelf population. There’s a shape of water-esque story about an isolated human village on a tiny shyishian island where the protagonist sees a full-souled Idoneth who’s just a totally normal, bald aelf and keeps referring to him as an “it”, or a beast that’s like an elongated man with sharp, dangerous looking features

>>96050252
Like 80% of the new big characters from 3e were all 1e background characters and tons of what’s been happening across the last two editions reference or build off of 1e stuff that went mostly untouched. You kind of have to be deluded to think dawnbringers ending on the conclusion of khul vs vandus doesn’t show off the trend of GW going back to build on a lot of early aos stuff

>>96043668
Something many AoS fans refuse to accept is that AoS specific armies are not and never will be as popular as Warhammer fantasy armies in the AoS setting. You will see Chaos Dwarfs will be more popular than IDK,KO,LMR etc combined because they are a legacy fantasy concept. Look at the most popular characters in AoS, they are all fantasy chars written into the setting. No one really cares about proprietary AoS characters.

>>96051145
I'm sure IDK having no actual units doesn't help at all.

>>96051145
>Something many AoS fans refuse to accept is that AoS specific armies are not and never will be as popular as Warhammer fantasy armies
i don't think i've ever seen anyone make this claim. Although out of all of them I think FEC will be in fairly high regards if they cook for a while longer

>>96051168
KO have units and they are less popular than IDK.

>>96045617
Didn't realise he was renamed in TOW. I'm still playing 6th Ed lol.

DoK hopefully get a good second wave. They definitely scratch my Delf itch in AOS, but need more

>>96048518
You want your Dom to be a man? That's pretty gay

>>96051145
The issue isn't that Fantasy characters and factions are inherently better, it's that Fantasy has 40 to 50 years of established lore and world building to draw from. Age of Sigmar's only had 10 years, and the only Sigmar only faction that has existed for all of those 10 years is the Stormcast. A faction which were designed from the ground up to be new player approachable, and had something of an identity crisis in the early days with how haphazard the AoS lore was at that time.

There are a lot of cool things that GW could do with AoS, and I'd argue that AoS only factions have more potential than Fantasy based factions, but we need more world building. AoS needs good video games, more and better novels, more short stories in the battletomes, and more animations - all of which are things Fantasy has benefited from. To make matters worse, GW is actively shooting itself in the foot by going after the fans that would make these things for GW for free!

In short, no matter how much we might hate secondaries, we need the media that creates them because that media deeps the lore for the worlds we love.

>>96051322
>more and better novels, more short stories in the battletomes, and more animations
We dont need no sloppa. Just fix the lore in the rulebooks.

putting together my cathay cities army, realizing i can probably use the ogres and spotters from the artillery set to cobble together some extra fusil majors with warhulks. this box just keeps on giving

>>96051322
That won’t ever be fixed because GW used to employ writers. They don’t anymore. You will never see kino AoS lore or world building, nor 40k not ToW. The only good stuff the current GW employees can eke out is built on the work of better writers/creatives that came before them. No one in the fantasy community is using the arcane journal lore as a basis for their understanding of fantasy. The only ToW novel was rejected by the community almost unanimously. The problem is AoS like you said doesn’t have a foundation so AoS fans either accept the dogshit world building and lore or they ignore it. Those are the only two options.

>>96051477
>like you said doesn’t have a foundation so AoS fans either accept the dogshit world building
When people say shit like this they give away that they're lorelets who's only conception of the setting is those 1e maps, read a book or something

>>96047844
>Valrak dreadnought rumor
>GW has been on a nostalgia binge
I actually want this to happen now, I think it could look sick with the right sculpt.

>>96051366
I would love to see creative kitbash armies doing that sort of creative shit, its otherwise just a sea of dogshit pure 1:1 proxies that have no heart behind them.

>>96051168
TOW Tourists love to pretend otherwise, but this is the only real answer. It's not like they're a super unpopular army by any real metric but they've got literally two kits that aren't single-model monsters or heroes, and of those heroes 90% are useless footsloggers in a game where foot heroes have never been particularly good (especially in 4e, where they're worse than ever). Idoneth are often a strong tabletop army, but to play them you're just spamming the same couple kits over and over, which isn't really appealing to a hobbyist

>>96045643
For $185 you get something that looks like an actual army, VS $140 for at best like 30 dudes.
Yeah, Old World is truly the one gouged here.

>>96051547
I think IDK has some awesome looking hero models but every time I think of investing into them I see that their listbuilding is awful and that namarti look terrible. So, yeah.

>>96051322
Whoa, hold your horses. A well thought out logical argument. This doesn't belong here. Please can you instead screech at everyone else

>>96051075
You can probably get away with just putting the smaller base directly onto a 32

>>96051607
I mean it isn't, it's the same tired old "aos has no worldbuilding" thing that hasn't been true for almost a decade now, and is purely repeated by people who have no engagement in the worldbuilding themselves. Any followup questions about what its lacking or what it needs inevitably makes the argument fall apart because it either becomes "more loretubers to feed me slop like a baby bird" or "maps that label literally everything and show me every single town like i believe WHFB had, because i played total war"

>>96051634
Nah, IMO we need not full maps of the world, just some area maps, city maps etc.
More art of the world itself, cities, generic stuff rather than just dudes fighting. More are in general actually.
More stories that are NOT Stormcast POV.

But a lot of this is just time. A 10 year old setting that was rushed out without a very detailed plan vs a setting that's almost 50 years old that started off like that but slowly got fleshed out.

>>96045617
GW probably doesn't like the fantasy dark elves these days because they feature a lot of slavery, torture, and being racist

>>96051601
Buy the models just to paint, then. I'm not entirely hot on the new book because I feel like it was designed with the higher skill player in mind, which I'm not and I really hope the nerfs in exchange for tactical flexibility don't push me away from the army that made me fall in love with AoS. I'm not sitting there at the table running sims in my head and master-planning my game and contingencies. If I'm thinking 1 or 2 steps ahead I usually get fucked over by dice or because I'm just not good. Maybe my attitude will change because of that specific flexibility now adding variation to my playstyle because I'm no longer on a fixed plan that my opponent knows to expect. Also both variants of Thralls seem to be getting considered a little by some higher level players. Unless you mean that Namarti look terrible aesthetically, then that's something I can't fix with words. Listbuilding still seems mostly ass and I hate that we have exactly double the amount of hero warscrolls to regular unit warscrolls in a game that only lets you run like 3 heroes.

>>96051645
Also, we need some decent AoS video games. TW:AoS. They should have an AoS Vermintide too.
Actually get competent devs.

>>96051651
Total War is stale, bad idea.
It needs to be a proper RPG with devs who have the creative freedom and capacity to innovate in terms of locations, characters, etc.

>>96051699
You just want black women and fags. We need mass appeal not homo appeal.

>>96051646
Woah now. Slavery and torture may be getting hidden in more obscure references now, but racism? That's core Warhammer identity right there.

>>96051744
Nah it’s Californian approved *racism* where you’re allowed to hate the all white elves but if you’re a villager living in the sticks you’re used to seeing negros and Arabs and all human skin tones. That or *racism* against wizards. Real lame shit.

>>96051645
Do you know what I wish we could get but will never happen?
A bunch of campaign books in the style of Tamurkan/Imperial Armor focussing on and fleshing out one particular conflict.

>>96051753
You know GW is a British company, right?

>>96051785
Yes. Anglos are the most eager and devout adopters of American style DEI.

>>96051715
>We need mass appeal not homo appeal.
Arent you the one advocating for a rts game

>>96051188
KO barely have units. Also, Lumineth and Stormcast are both more popular than Warhammer fantasy armies in the AoS settings.

I whitewash and malewash most black and female characters in my armies.

>>96051870
>Also, Lumineth and Stormcast are both more popular than Warhammer fantasy armies in the AoS settings.
I doubt lumineth are that popular. There's zero scans of their models out in the wild and usually the more popular an army is, the more scans they have.

The second that fuck starts talking about Anglos and DEI shit you know it's the same fuck that ruins every thread. Ignore him and move on.

This sunday and monday they will throw a bone to us, right? It is the 10th anniversary after all.

(Yeah, It will be funny when they only post The Old World kits this week...)

>>96051919
Bones are being saved for the 18th.

>>96051914
which fuck?

>>96051881
based?

>>96051881
You don't have an army you have nomodels

>>96051645
>some area maps, city maps
we have these, open your 4e corebook. If you want maps of specific cos open your ttrpg sourcebook for the cities that have them, the same places you'll find the WHF city maps
>More art of the world itself, cities, generic stuff rather than just dudes fighting
We have loads of this outside of battletomes, and a bunch within them
>More stories that are NOT Stormcast POV.
We have fucking tons of this, it's insane to me anyone could think we don't unless they've been temporally transplanted from 2015

Obviously i dont disagree that 50 years is longer than 10 and that we'll get more of those things over time, but I think people get this impression from modern WHFthat it 'slowly built up over time' rather than everything you see being someone looking at the five completely incomatible iterations of it that were presented over those 50 years, trying to meet them all in the middle as much as possible, and then spinning it as a cohesive whole. I think people see that and then go "oh aos isnt as fleshed out as this" basically on instinct, without having engaged with what's there at all to even know what their issue with it is. I see "not fleshed out" rather than anything specific as just an indicator of that sort of thing

We need pov stories of boxing matches set in the mortal realms. Let there be a godbeast of boxing and mma to overtake nuffle.

>>96051952
I cannot imagine the cope-filled fury that must've been contained within the corpulent hands that made this image, why would you see it and then want to post it yourself

>>96052385
>still coping and seething AoS has no setting and that's why no one cares about it
Just buy the figures and do one of the shown schemes, you'll be okay.

>>96052395
No. My cringe fanfiction of romance with a witch elf must never be shown to the world. It'll stay buried.

>>96052418
Share it. Especially the pegging chapters, I want to compare it with mine

>>96050558
>don't they have the same kind skull on the banners of both horde infantry units?
so do goblins and black orcs, it's not a greenskinz thing, it's the most generic ass thing possible

>>96052868
No, it's only Gordrakk who has the exact same kind of skull. It's an Orc thing and a little reference to the previous banner.

>>96044644
This scale is fantasy but almost all the races that appear in this image are AoS or at least have an equivalent.

I just realized the fyreslayer magmapikes are another take on "fire lances".

>>96053160
a very shitty and overdesigned one

>>96053116
>It's an Orc thing and a little reference to the previous banner
No, it's not, it's not an greenskinz thing, it's not an orc thing and it's not a reference, a horned skull is the most generic banner topping possible.

>>96053261
>It's not a reference to Orcs, it's a reference to Orcs!
you okay pal?

>>96053275
it's not a reference to orcs because that thing is not exclusive to orcs, you dumb fuck, and not only that, you keep insisting it's a reference to that specific "greenskinz" banner while it's a feature you can find on savage orcs, or black orcs, not just normal orcs.

>>96053301
>They both have Identical skull banners.
>They're both a regular Orc mob horde unit.
>The Orc mob was the last instance of the aforementioned.
I'm not saying Orc Mobs have a monopoly on skulls you fucking autist. You shouldn't be allowed to interact with functioning adults.

>>96053275
kruleboyz are a different army and kind of Orruk. they don't "reference" anything else from GW's history they're brand new to AoS and only came out a few years ago. If they wanted to reference greenskins they'd call them greenskins

>>96053318
I have a skull. Am I a reference to orc mobs? You're being ridiculous.

>GW secretly include hidden "references" in their brand new army to models they don't sell anymore only expert warhammer fans will notice to celebrate their design heritage
how brainrotten do you have to be to think like this? seek help

>>96053318
>>They both have Identical skull banners.
They don't, the skulls aren't any closer than they are to plenty of other banners, and the banners are different, you need to convert the orc banner if you want it to be a skull topping over a normal banner.
>>They're both a regular Orc mob horde unit.
They aren't, gutrippaz aren't a horde unit like basic orc boys were, or you have to argue black orcs/ardboys are also a regular orc mob horde.
>>The Orc mob was the last instance of the aforementioned.
no, it absolutely wasn't, plenty of other kits were released after the orc boys with horned skulls topping a banner.

It's not a reference, there's no connection that's specific or exclusive or identifying, it's the most generic ass element possible.

>>96053355
>the skulls aren't any closer than they are to plenty of other banners
both ox skulls, the only models with those
>gutrippaz aren't a horde unit like basic orc boys were
Cheapest Orruk unit.
>no, it absolutely wasn't, plenty of other kits were released after the orc boys with horned skulls topping a banner
It was the last regular horde orc unit. The last orc unit without armour, with shields and spears and one handed weapons.
You have autism. Please stop communicating with normal people.

>>96053370
>both ox skulls
the orc one is not an ox
>the only models with those
wrong, I posted other banners with ox skulls >>96053261 look at the savage orcs'
>Cheapest Orruk unit.
only because they have removed the savage orcs, by your reasoning if they removed gutrippaz then ardboys would suddenly become a greenskins reference when they weren't
>It was the last regular horde orc unit. The last orc unit without armour, with shields and spears and one handed weapons.
no, it wasn't, savage orcs got released after orc boys and they fit all those

I don't have autism, I'm just confronting you with the fact that your idea that kruleboys are the new greenskinz or refreshed greenskinz or references to greenskinz specifically is schizophrenic and without any solid basis. you have this idea in mind and then you look backwards for what could justify keeping that idea instead of having it as a conclusion of some reasoning, that's not how normal people think.

>>96053409
kruleboyz are based on oldhammer orcs

>>96053427
No.
Just, no. GW already forgot all of that era and none even remain in the company from then.
They're just shitty original sculpts. Like how skulls are everywhere.

>>96053509
oh you're just a troll

>>96053427
>>96053513
see >>96053349
schizo

>>96053513
That anon is not me.

>>96053513
Take your meds.

>>96053509
Falsefag.

Wow they sure do look like kruleboyz and not just lankier versions of the TOW orc boyz.

>>96053553
nice vulcha proxy in the background

>>96053553
They're definitely closer to oldhammer orcs than lankier versions of later orcs, the pointy headgear, and being lanky in the first place, are dead giveaways.

>>96053509
>>96053427
Isn't equally likely to just say they both derived from the more classic Tolkien portrayal of Orcs?

>>96053572
The pointy headgear doesn't mean anything. A lot of armies had pointy hats. The lankiness is likewise just a coincidence, as they wanted sneaky gits and you can't do that as the average hulking brute orcs are.

>>96053574
Who's responsible for that image?

>>96053574
At that point, not really. Original orcs were dark skinned, brown, like Tolkien's orcs. By the time you got to green orcs GW had already shifted from that.

>>96053574
based on what? alan miller who worked on warhammer first? alan lee who looked nothing like that until the lotr film work?

>>96053603
>The pointy headgear doesn't mean anything.
It does when it's this consistently close and specific.
Don't be a hypocritical falseflag just because you're seething now.

Some things ARE references, pic related is what a reference looks like for example, you won't find a chariot with a similar horned skull as part of its main hull elsewhere, it's both exclusive and identifying, and so are the kruleboys spiked helmets specifically.

>>96053626
this is schizophrenic. GW don't look back upon or reference past designs in new models. Oh wow, two chariots. It must be a reference because they both have wheels!

Lets break this round of autismposting for some breaking news: hashut was a mortal once.

>>96053634
read back here >>96053626
>Don't be a hypocritical falseflag just because you're seething now.

>>96053626
>It does when it's this consistently close and specific
It's not though, you're cherry picking very specific examples to force this narrative. Ike claiming GW, the company that uses skulls everywhere, using skulls is some sort of reference.
For example you're ignoring the armors, the more varied helmets most of which KB haven't even approached, and the odd jaws some of them had.

>>96053641
yeah he was a bull

>>96053646
>if you disagree with my siphylitic ramblings you're actually seething

>>96053647
I love this dude, I really need to convert a modern killaboss to look like him

>>96053641
I wonder if they'll cover his backstory beyond 'he was mortal once'.
Also be interesting how much of the OG Chaos Dwarf lore still applies.

>>96053647
Those are third party models, and there's no narrative that says kruleboys are identical to oldhammer orcs in everything, only that they took some features from them, namely some of the helmets, which are very specific, cherrypicking is not an issue because the discussion is about "cherries" in this case.
You're not very clever or honest, are you?

>>96053690
citadel code is in the filename, idiot

>>96053641
I wonder if they'll keep the original WD origin story where they were a lost lodge of Fyreslayers worshipping a dark father or something

>>96053690
>Those are third party models
Correction, they are citadel, I mistook them for their lookalike made by someone else.

>>96053709
stop posting retard, you just get everything wrong

>>96053673
if you disagree with honest logic and falling back to falseflagging and hypocritical dishonesty because you got shown your ideas where groundless, unlike others, then yes, you're just seething.

>>96053716
No, I don't.

>>96053634
>>96053626
>>96053584 + >>96053572
>>96053513
>>96053427
these are references
>>96053275
this is not

>>96053641
Oh god, they're going to make hashut a disciple of vashtorr now.

>>96053641
>Horns of Hashut
>Hammers of Hashut
>Helsmiths of Hashut
whatever their name will end up being, at least we can be sure its acronym will be HoH

>>96053728
nor is this

>>96053634
You reek of being completely new to this. The sheer stupidity and ignorance of what you just said...

You want one of us to call your mom to pick you up when the thread closes?

>>96053770
This you?

>>96053741
Isn't it more likely to be the other way around? Vashtorr is a demon prince too, right?

>>96053778
No, vahstorr is not a prince, it's an actual 'elemental' entity born of chaos like the big 4, just smaller.

>2025 Q1: steppe riders
>2025 Q2: grand cathay
>2025 Q3: chaos dwarfs
>2025 Q4: eastern europe
it couldn't be a more asian edition if they updated ogres in aos, reintroduced araby units via dogs of war in tow, expanded lumineth and revealed that umbraneth are not!samurai with their own blood nagas

>>96053905
Eshin doko?

>>96053918
Rumours do say eshin are getting something don't they?

>>96053969
Maybe a warcry team?
;-(

>>96053905
>umbraneth are not!samurai
I wouldn't dislike that tbqhwyfam

>>96054053
Don’t they have to be a dark mirror to the lumineth
Or the lumineth shadow
Might just invert their design. Less armor, more outwardly magic, a lot more restrained models

>>96054137
>Don’t they have to be a dark mirror to the lumineth
>Or the lumineth shadow
Not sure, unless you want to count the khainites as the equivalent to the teclian side of the lumineth or something, then the ulgurothi are already different from the vaguely chinese theme of the lumineth.

so with the new cover rules, are cities fusilier lists just dead? seems like an immobile shooting unit is just going to get cock blocked by the new obscuring rule constantly

>>96053509
they definitely draw a lot of design language from those old sculpts

>>96054137
>Don’t they have to be a dark mirror to the lumineth
So you're saying they should be cowboys with a prismatic theme instead of samurai with an elemental theme?

>>96054261
>the army with zenestra
>immobile
r u avin a giggle m8?

>>96054304
>western elves
Instabuy

>>96053905
>Sumerians
>Asian
Sumer was in Iraq

>>96054304
hysh is full of prisms though

>>96054375
The middle east is still the east.

Are all Maggokin so much more fleshed out than the other major chaos factions in AoS? They have swamp people, bugs, rot sorcerers, mad executioners, cannibals. It feels consistent and unique enough to be different than death guard.

Meanwhile tzeentch is just...demons? Some weird sorcerers? Khorne is just guys in red armor, and Slaanesh is just whips. They also don't seem to have anywhere near the same number of unique / recent sculpts.

>>96053905
>notSamurai Umbraneth executioners with Nagamaki
>Shadow Daemons are Oni with fuck huge kanabo
I’ve been screaming it from the rooftops for years.

>>96054394
>Are all Maggokin so much more fleshed out than the other major chaos factions in AoS?
Maybe ask that question after their 4th edition tome.

>>96053753
I like that the acronym HoH looks a bit like a bull.

>>96054261
Obscuring was unrealistically overblown because you’re gonna need that obscured unit to be hugging that terrain piece, not scoring and also likely out of position. Only time it becomes an issue is if the big patch of terrain is just a neoprene mat or is just the base of the old wildwoods that count as medium terrain but is less than 1” tall, so units can stand in it.

>>96054450
>>96054450
>>96054450

>>96053753
>>96054434
Careful, they might go full retard yet with 'Helsmiths of Chaos' or something.

>>96054429
oh so they're going to mog even harder.

>FeC
>Small

Seem like a pretty standard range size to me. Small only if you compare to like SBG or SCE.

>>96053641
Aren't grungni et all also mortals-turned-gods ? Does this lend credence to the fallen ancestor god theory ?
>>96054429
Oh shit, is that from today ?
>>96054434
Deepest lore

>>96054469
>Aren't grungni et all also mortals-turned-gods ? Does this lend credence to the fallen ancestor god theory ?
Yes all the dwarf ancestor gods are ascended mortals.