My first exposure to a "social combat" subsystem soured me on it for more than half a decade.

Here is anecdote from some time around ~2011. I was playing The Dresden Files RPG, my very first Fate RPG. Purely out of cheekiness, the GM decided to set the game in the city of Dresden. I do not recall what the GM's precise logic was, but the GM also set the game a year or two before the bombing in World War II.

One of the character types in the game is changeling: half-human, half-fae, often born to either the Summer Court or the Winter Court. My character was the son of a malk, a type of feline fae in the setting. (For those of you who have heard the phrase "half-fae catboy" before, yes, this was the exact character. The fallout from this incident completely engulfed one little corner of the internet at the time, and spilled out from there.)

My character's fae parent was a Sidhe, a noble with more powers than the standard variety. She was a Sidhe of the Winter Court, the edgier of the two main fae factions. My character was a Winter Courtier, in turn, but refused to partake in any cruelty.

One supernatural ability I took on my character was A Few Seconds Ahead. It gives the character a passive precognition ability: "[You] may roll [your] Lore skill to defend against physical or social attacks or maneuvers." My character had virtually no social defense otherwise.

The game started. Shortly into the very first scene, one other PC, a pure mortal human, took my character inside a church. This was supposedly for the sake of protection. Churches in this setting are a type of "threshold," significantly dampening or nullifying many supernatural powers.

(Continued.)

It turned out that this other PC was deeply against the Winter Court, and wanted my character to betray it. The player declared that their PC was entering social combat with my own character, with the intent of flipping my character against the Winter Court. They pointed out that A Few Seconds Ahead was a supernatural power, and the GM agreed that the church would fully shut it down; this was a ploy all along. I refused, but the GM said that this was a valid social combat, and that I could not simply refuse it.

I stood my ground and continued to refuse. An argument ensued. The game crashed and burned right then and there, during the very first scene. The fallout was enormous.

I continued to play with that GM for a few more games, during which they mistreated me rather badly. I do not know why I stuck around at the time. Concurrently, I played The Dresden Files RPG under a different GM but alongside the same player; this went okay, though we slowly broke apart for more uneventful reasons.

It took me over a decade to even consider trying a "social combat" subsystem in an RPG again. Exalted 3e's looks fine, I suppose. I have also played out negotiations in Draw Steel over a dozen times by this point; it is okay, but it gets very repetitive, it is easy for PCs to ace right at level 1, and it gets more and more trivial as levels go up.

>>96050512 (OP)
>>96050523
>gets metagamed
>stays buttblasted about it for years
Surely it's the system's fault

For reference, here is what The Dresden Files RPG has to say about a PC losing a social combat:

>Let’s consider an Intimidation conflict for a second. Your character came into this bar to rescue a friend who’s being held in the back room. Not wanting to just bust heads, your character goes in, gets a drink, and starts asking around. This leads to an Intimidation conflict with a thug there, which your character handily loses and gets taken out. You’ve taken a moderate consequence of Shaken Resolve during the conflict. The GM, controlling the thug, suggests that your character leaves the bar because he’s afraid of getting into a fight with the thug and his friends.

>This doesn’t have to mean that your character runs screaming from the bar or anything like that. People often play off their emotional responses as being less significant than they really are. It’s not out of scope to take the GM’s suggestion and reply with, “Okay, well… if I leave the bar, I’m not giving them the satisfaction of knowing that my character is that scared. I’ll keep eye contact with the thug and simply reply, ‘Don’t get comfortable and think that this is over. It’s not. Not by a long shot.’ I’ll throw some cash on the bar and back out slowly.”

>See? Your character didn’t turn into a screaming ninny, but still fulfilled the dictates of the conflict result. So, now what? Is your friend totally screwed?

>Absolutely not. It just means your character is worried about getting into a fight with all those people, so the frontal approach is out of the question. That doesn’t mean your character can’t suddenly change tactics and try to sneak in the back of the bar to do the rescuing. If your character tends to solve problems with his fists and has a low Stealth, it makes the scene a little tenser and potentially challenging.

>>96050683

>The consequence of Shaken Resolve also provides opportunities for roleplay. The rescued friend might ask about the change in tactics (“Dude, I expected you’d trash the place with a smile. What gives?”) or there might be a scene later where your character reflects on what happened (“You know, for the first time in…hell, maybe ever…I think those guys actually got to me. Man, I must be losing my touch.”).

>And finally, the consequence is going to go away at some point, leaving your character ready to turn the tables on that thug if you should confront him again. At the end of it all, your character is even more the courageous badass, because he got hit with serious adversity and came out swinging on the other side. This can be especially poignant with mental conflicts, where the consequences are more deep-seated and have the potential to be transformative to the self.

Dresden Files, along with the Fate system in general, lets you choose how you get taken out. You could have just walked away going "I'll consider it" instead of doing the combat.

>>96050512 (OP)
>(For those of you who have heard the phrase "half-fae catboy" before, yes, this was the exact character. The fallout from this incident completely engulfed one little corner of the internet at the time, and spilled out from there.)

>>96050740

"Could my character not, at the very least, leave the church?" was one of the things I asked about. After all, doing so would play to my character's strengths by restoring A Few Seconds Ahead to full power.

This was also refused by the GM at the time, under the logic that it would be out-of-character and metagaming.

>>96050984
Dumb argument, dumb GM.

A person takes you into an unfamiliar place and then immediately starts trying to talk you into doing something you don't want to do? Leaving is perfectly logical. Even more so if being there actively makes you weaker and less able to think clearly; it's like being dragged into a smoke-filled room, at best.

>>96050512 (OP)
Edna, you are possibly the most autistic individual on 4chan right now. You've also made multiple "I'm mad about something from 10 years ago" threads in the last month.
Please just accept that narrative social combat is one of those things that is not for you, because your brain is built different.

You keep chasing this perfect high that does not exist in games. I'd tell you to go consider what you actually want, but you doing that would lead to you trying to use the internet as a sounding-board to tease the information out of your brain and it'd be draining to deal with.

>>96050804
/tg/ has been dealing with this guy since at least 2009. His one good contribution to the board was helping run the numbers for the Anal Spelunker in D&D 3.0.

Anyway, 2hu. Edna. Touhoufag. That Asshole with the Genshin Pics. Whatever you wnna be called.
Please stop crossposting your decade-old drama vent posts to 4chan and reddit.

>>96051023
>Touhoufag
Thanks, anon. I was wondering why "half-fae catboy" sounded vaguely familiar.

>>96050984
There's no asking, you simply declare to lose combat and the rules give you the choice as the player how your character loses in a take out. Read the rules.
Also your GM sucks and you're blaming a system for it. Also you suck for not willing to participate. If you can kill another character, they should be able to convince you of something.

>>96050523
What the fuck do you even mean, "refuse"? It's combat. Do you expect to be able to refuse physical combat too? "The troll hits me with a club? No, I refuse."
Even from your own side of your story you sound like a fucking retard.

Slightly off topic, but this is why I fuckin' hate social combat between PCs and don't allow that shit in my games. The only *barely* usable versions of it are the systems where, if you decide to "lose" the argument, you get some sort of benefit or xp or something, but even that is pushing it.

>>96050512 (OP)
>(For those of you who have heard the phrase "half-fae catboy" before, yes, this was the exact character. The fallout from this incident completely engulfed one little corner of the internet at the time, and spilled out from there.)
Well, now you've got me curious. Is this stuff on a forum somewhere?

>>96052296
Considering it's tohoufag, they probably thought they could outright avoid the consequences by refusing, yeah

Wait the annoying redditor account who constantly posts about how they can't find a GM who will run Godbound the way they want is ALSO a 4chan regular?

I feel like two incredibly shitty worlds are colliding. You seem like a nightmare to have in a game.

>>96060592
he's been our problem since the early days, yes.
he's called touhoufag here, because while he posts genshin waifus with all his posts these days (and nobody knows why), he used to post touhou girls 'cause touhou was the proto-waifu gacha in weeaboo sociological terms.
believe me he's as disliked here as he is on reddit, but 4chan doesn't ban you for just being an annoying autist. Also 4chan doesn't have publicly visible moderators telling people to stop being weird, so there's no mods for him to chafe against and get banned by either like on most of the official game discords he's posted on.
>hey, edna! recount for us a list of all the official game discords and subreddits you're banned from, I want a laugh.

so we're stuck with him. You can tell his threads from the combination of his writing style that makes your eyes glaze over, and his pathological need to use mihoyo pics whenever he posts.

I happen to know a game wish social combat...

>>96060804
With, I mean... dang inability of being able to edit own posts...

Notepad's video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1xlF-vQb60

>>96060682
touhoufag got permabanned for ban evading like 15 years ago

>>96052296
You can refuse social combat IRL tho.
So why not in game?

>>96061009
>You can refuse social combat IRL tho.
Not if you want to save face.

>>96061114
Let's just pretend that's true. (It's not.)
So what?

>>96061432
Negative aura.

>>96061432
Losing face in a sidhe court means they could probably petition to have you offed if they got bored. Saying "nuh, I don't wanna" is generally not taken as a "no", it's taken as a "Please, daddy, ruin my life as hard as you can"

>>96061468
>nuh, I don't wanna betray you

>>96061522
To be fair, unless the GM was that much of a bitch, it's very unlikely the game imploded solely from touhoufag refusing to play ball with the mechanics as presented from the very start. Otherwise he'd just be booted from the game and that would have been it. He probably threw a rather massive shitfit that cascaded into other areas.

>>96061009
Don't try and pretend you know anything about real social interactions.

>>96061686
How does the game die from that?

>>96061721
Like I said, I doubt it was solely because he told the gamemaster "I won't accept being intimidated", or in other words "I'm not going to play". Most game masters at that juncture would either change the scene or tell you to get out from the table. Since they mentioned a forum, it sounds like they threw enough of a shitfit higher level mods got called in, and things got nasty from there.

>>96061832
Which forum?

>>96061980
Shit if I know, apparently one touhoufag trawled around inn the 2010's. I'd be curious myself which one.

>>96051023
>Edna, you are possibly the most autistic individual on 4chan right now.
Barneyfag and Puckee are still around.

>>96061432
>>96061114
Face matters a lot more in a setting where not saving it means people will refuse to interact with you. It's why countries had to pass laws concerning fighting words, because they would escalate to duels or just plain murder as there was no appropriate way to respond EXCEPT violence.

>>96051023
At least Edna is a somewhat benign autist, unlike Puckee or "Traditional games?" guy.

>>96062660
Traditional games guy only posts in garbage spam threads, anyway.

>>96062678
It DID start in garbage "why do ALL orcs love cheese?!?!!?" threads, but it since metastasized to any thread that doesn't mention D&D.
Honestly the absolute state of worldbuilding threads is partially to blame, these threads are just a bunch of anons screaming into void with only interaction coming from Bumpfag's clone #9901754.

>>96061721
There was a /tg/-sourced L5R game I "played" in that Edna was a part of during the time he went by "Colette" or something. Some Tales character.
He played some gay crane shota munchkin character betrothed to the clan champion which imploded in much the same way this half-fae catboy thing did.
His autism and overall off-putting nature rubbed the group the wrong way.
We had shitpost threads here posted by disgruntled group members detailing his questionable character choices and general autism.
The GM eventually got sick of the infighting, the bitching and Edna's autism and ghosted us, and honestly rightfully so.
Posting here about this gay shit was very womanly behaviour on the part of the group despite the fact that Edna was and still is completely insufferable.

i just instantly attack anyone who initiates social combat with me. fighting skills perfectly double as social defenses

>>96050512 (OP)
>>96050523
Hey Touhoufag.
Hope you're doing well and glad to see you're still around.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

>>96062811
>Don't put me in a self-defence situation buddy
Incredibly based

>>96062660
At the very least he actually plays and discusses games.

>>96062730
> gay crane shota munchkin character betrothed to the clan champion
Had to double check that wasn’t a John Wick OC for a second, that sounds horrid

>>96050984
Yeah hell no. The dm should've given that player an obscene amount of penalties that should've just let you win automatically. This guy drags you into a place that negates your power solely so he can try to make you forcefully change your mind? Shit dm.

>>96062730
>which imploded in much the same way this half-fae catboy thing did
2hu has been in so many games that implode that you'd THINK he'd realise he is the statistical cause of it by now, but no.
he gets booted from his 274th game without a word and wonders "why do I keep meeting so many people who boot me from games?" not "why do I get booted from every game?"

>>96052296
because you can just... flee... aka leave the church... why would you not?
And saying that your social conbat system can make someone betray anything they stand for in one simple talk is stupid anyway.

>>96061114
>>96061468
I'd argue that just leaving such a talk (which is about betraying the winter court) and telling this court about such an enemy should not let you lose face.

>>96061686
a system that lets you make someone betray their core values (especially with nothing to gain) in a single talk is pretty stupid and should not be possible anyway, so not abiding by that mechanic is okay. But in our group we roleplay every interaction so we do not have a "social combat system" and I find the though of it extremly autistic.

>>96062811
Extremly Based. "so you wanna make me betray my allies? nope, I am gonna charge you now!"

>>96063041
>>96063048
Normally I wouldn't be so uncharitable, but touhoufag has a habit of omitting important details that make themselves look better, which is why I believe there's more to what happened than just 2hu going "No, I'm not gonna be party to this"

>>96063081
This. It's a years-long pattern at this point.

>>96063081
I would generally agree, even if I somehow have dodged touhoufags threads so far. People tend to not tell the whole story..
That being said my statements were more meant in general.
Is Touhoufag even answering in this thread anymore?

>>96063081
Funnily enough as a Touhoufag historian I know the actual logs were posted once.
Let me see if I can find it in the archives.

>>96063081
>>96063161
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/24529302/
Found it, search pastebin.
tl;dr:
>Wizard was a cunt, and is probably behind the smear campaign
>First line was about being a weenie whos spent his life being beat on by the winter court, not a rape reference.
>Uses music to throw foes off balance, totally valid for a Winter fey.
>Other characters basically bully him into changing his trouble which isn't the Dresden way.

>>96063223
Thanks, good historian.

While I feel vindicated that 2hu omitted some pretty important things in his recounting, like explaining WHY his character was being brought into the church, since "supposedly for the sake of protection" is a pretty stark difference from "We just barely survived a shellacking by a very pissed off winter fae, catboi included to the point of being unconcious", is it wrong that I still want to write off both parties as insufferable in their own ways?

>>96063438
>is it wrong that I still want to write off both parties as insufferable in their own ways?
Nah, that's generally the nerd way

>>96063438
Not in the slightest. I'll fully admit my bias because I was in threads like that back in the day.
And having interacted with both Touhoufag and Wizard?
Touhoufag can be autistically oblivious and occasionally needs a firm No to.
Wizard meanwhile is an honest to god insufferable piece of shit who has now been at this for 12 years straight.
He's a fuckhead on a different scale to Touhoufag and actively malevolent rather than just a bit of a sperg.

>>96063223
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/24529302/

Based Historian, Doing the Lords work.

I used to dislike social combat, but nine times out of ten any social discussion without a system is just going to lead to a prolonged argument where nothing gets done.

at least with a system, there's plausible deniability that someone's decision isn't the best one even if you're convinced with it. It really doesn't land for people who cannot stand taking Ls though.

>>96063223
>He's on a channel called EuroTG, clearly that means he's a troon!
>What board are you on right now retard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkk9DI-8el4

>>96063041
Fleeing is an option in physical combat too. It is not the same as "refusing to participate".
>betray anything they stand for in one simple talk
Sure, but near the start of the thread someone gave an example of how social combat in the game is supposed to work, and it wasn't that.
Running away from an argument does tend to make you look like a weenie and lose face, yes. But might well be better than staying and getting trounced. Much like physical combat.

so... my comment mentioning a certain other TTRPG get's somewhat ignored due to Touhoufag being a lug?

huh... sometimes it get's funny like that, doesn't it?

>>96065282
It's touhoufag cross-posting their reddit story for self-pity points, anon, I don't know what to tell you.

That said, I might check out that Scrapped Princess rpg later for kicks, just cause I thought the anime was neat

>>96050512 (OP)
This seems like a fundamental problem with FATE's rules. There's no clean procedure for evading a conflict of any sort. The GM is forced to judge whether the situation is dire enough for it to be a concession, or if it should turn into a Contest representing some sort of pursuit, or just... let it happen, I guess. I had the displeasure of running FATE once, and my experience was that it's loaded with rules that nevertheless are of little help and mechanically samey.

I suppose if I were in the GM's shoes, I would have just let you walk unless the other players did something to restrain you. I just don't see how it could be ruled a concession if you had didn't care about persuading the opposition, and walking out the door isn't much of a contest. Then again, you could make the same sort of argument about just about any social conflict, rendering the whole mechanic pointless, so I don't know.

>>96060908
>touhoufag got permabanned for ban evading like 15 years ago
I've been permabanned several times. What's your point?

>>96067434
Speaking personally, if I were the GM, before the game even started I would have tried to convince 2hu to play something other than a changeling that deeply loyal to the Winter Court considering how notoriously spiteful and assholish any of the court fae tend to be on a good day, but that's probably beyond the scope of this thread.

>>96067529
I suppose, but the logs posted above indicate that it was the players who foolishly made an enemy of a Winter fae, and they presumably did this while knowing the sort of character 2hu was playing, so I suspect any sort of loyalty to an NPC faction would have landed him in a similar situation eventually. Either way, the point stands that FATE social PvP doesn't have good rules support.

>>96067572
>Foolishly
That's being far too charitable. They outright say 'Oh noes, I put my dick in Lady Winters Iced Moccachino then wiped it off on her curtains. I guess that means catfucker can't play his catfaggot any more. Damn shame, oopsy doopsy :^)'

It was purely malevolent and, just as importantly, a bitch move.

>>96067599
Ah. It was worse than I thought. I had only read the OOC log while trying to figure out how the rules were handled vs how they should have been handled. It's truly incredible how polarizing 2hu is; people like <Wizard> just can't seem to help themselves around him despite his unfailing politeness.

>>96067572
Yeah, like I said, I phrased it as "beyond the scope of the thread" in the sense that no amount of social rules in a roleplaying game can really fix the issue of one player picking a character with a potentially problematic loyalty to an antagonistic npc faction OR a party full of spiteful dicks picking a fight with an antagonistic npc they know is going to be out for blood, just to dick over the potentially problematic player.

>>96067702
Call me a bias retard if you like, but the crux of it doesn't even come down to what happened for me.
It comes down to the characters they played.
Strip out everything else, who they are as people, their OOC interactions, the drama, the faggotry that's been going on 10+ years by this point and at the crux of it you have two people playing two characters:
>I'm a Winter Fae changeling who does all the basic fairy shit like sing songs about how I'm sad and it makes people feel sad as well. Also since we need an inciting incident I'm willing to take one for the team and let the DM put me in the plot as being kidnapped or some shit.
Which is a bit generic but fits perfectly with Dresden as a setting.
And the other option:
>I'm a big titty wizard assassin who wields the blackstaff and doesn't want to hang out with the rest of the party. I'm talking some REAL yabbos though, with which I murder people. Think Lara Croft with magic and antisocial personality disordeer.
This does not fit with Dresden.
You cannot make this fit with Dresden as a setting.

On an instinctual level one of these characters gives me the immediate desire to put the writer in a headlock.
And it's not the Fairy.

That, more than anything else, makes the decision for me.

>>96067781
>half-fae catboy
>fits perfectly with Dresden as a setting

>>96068386
NTA, but it's a setting with a whole clan of sex vampires. I don't think half-fae catboys are out of place.

>>96070252
Show me a single half-fae catboy character in Dresden Files?

>>96070602
https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Changeling
>A changeling is a person with one human parent and one faerie parent.
>In childhood, changelings are indistinguishable from ordinary humans. In adolescence, however, a changeling's faerie ancestry begins to express itself, and the changeling starts to exhibit faerie characteristics in line with his or her fae parent's nature. For example, Meryl, a troll changeling, began to display troll characteristics such as prodigious strength, uncontrollable anger, and troll-like hair coloration.

>>96070614
That is a troll not a catboy.

>>96070745
You are a troll, not a good faith poster.

>>96070252
Anon, I know you're right, but with how much anime has infected the world, if you tell your party you're going to be playing a foppish effeminate pretty boy with the features and mannerisms of a cat, they would immediately think of something very obnoxiously saccharine and twee instead of simply vain and fussy, and the former can grind nearly anyone down

>>96061009
refusing to participate in an attempt to change your mind is a "win" in a "social combat"
so no, not unless you win

>>96050512 (OP)
>the "I'm so unique" character
>refuse to participate in an awesome and interesting storybuiling scene that could lead to a variety of interesting narratives
>refuse to play by the rules
>refuse to comply with DMs ruling
you are the "that guy"

>>96072000
No it's not. Convincing the other party to that he shouldn't or can't change your mind might be a win, but walking away is just walking away; it leaves the door open for further attempts should you meet again.

>>96072101
>the "I'm so unique" character
Have you SEEN Harry Dresden?

>>96072170
Very poor comparison, if only cause Harry's the main character of his series. Of course he's going to end up a special snowflake after just a couple books, let alone a whole series.

>>96072183
He's hardly the only unique character. There are tons of weirdos and supernatural beings in the series. Half-fae catboy is just one more for the menagerie.

>>96050512 (OP)
>Social Combat
What? like a set of rules to have a fucking discussion? just talk in character you mongoloids. even if you're a low functioning autist that struggles to understands other peoples thinking, surely you can draw yourself a flowchart of how your character thinks and what their values are and then run through it whenever they need to make a decision.

>>96072613
Social Combat is usually something players use to deal with NPCs, since most players are nerds and/or autists and DMs have all the impunity in the world to have their npcs refuse to cough up info or do any favors for the players, hence using raw mathematics to level the playing field ideally coupled with actual convincing and logic. ex. trying to play a big burly fighterman Intimidating someone into complying

The problem is when those rules are applied against other players, since poorly written ones tend to be all-or-nothing kind of affairs, and is indeed seen as a dog-shit tier substitute for having a proper in-character discussion or debate. It's the kind of shit that nobody likes certain Face builds for, the ones that work to shut down their party from arguing against them rather than taking care of the GM's social challenges

>>96062692
>Honestly the absolute state of worldbuilding threads is partially to blame, these threads are just a bunch of anons screaming into void with only interaction coming from Bumpfag's clone #9901754.
Worldbuilding for the sake of worldbuilding and no tangible goal inevitably results in just that. A prompt like 'What are the X in your setting' just invites a bunch of self-absorbed Anons to dump snippets of trivia.

Now, if everybody was on the same page (actually making usable stat blocks for a specific system), it would be a different story, but worldbuilding threads NEVER do this. It's all just a collective of ideas guys who aren't interested in talking to each other or doing anything of note with these ideas. They bitch at you if you point this out, as if the implicit expectation is that you'd see their really cool singing mudcrab idea and do the stat blocking for them.

>>96076841
>Now, if everybody was on the same page (actually making usable stat blocks for a specific system)
Even in specific system generals people don't do this. It's sad.

>>96067781
>>I'm a big titty wizard assassin who wields the blackstaff and doesn't want to hang out with the rest of the party. I'm talking some REAL yabbos though, with which I murder people. Think Lara Croft with magic and antisocial personality disordeer.
>This does not fit with Dresden.
This could be a villain character, I think. The kind of person the wizard police (idr and cbf to look up the actual name) hunt down.

Probably not good for a non-evil campaign, and Dresden evil wizards get worse at a breakneck pace because using black magic fucks up your brain to make you more evil.

>>96072613
I am such an unfunctioning autist, could you please point me in the direction of such a flowchart for reference purpose?

>>96062678
Traditional games guy sadly lost the plot and went schizo. He genuinely believes threads where people are talking about experiences and debating rules in traditional games like this one are off-topic. Even though the thread is almost entirely about The Dresden Files and a player's experience with it and resolving a ruling dispute.

Rather than just the posts about a specific individual like Touhoufag being marginally off-topic.

It's a shame because shitting on /v/ crossboards and /pol/tards with a two word question is funny but not if you become equally as cancerous and annoying in the process. Oh well. Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain I suppose.

>Touhoufag
Wait wait wait, this is touhoufag?

Motherfucker, where you been?! I miss your 4e builds. Any other systems scratch that same itch for you? Lancer, maybe?

>Touhoufag
What a blast from the past. Didn't know he was still around and up to his usual shenanigans. Can't even be mad at this autist since I'm so nostalgic.

>>96051023
>Accuses someone of being mad about something from 10 years ago
>"Yeah I recognize this poster, he made me mad 17 years ago"
Classical projection. /tg/ really never matures.

>>96061114
>>96062647
None of this matters in private conversations. You can't lose face when you're not in front of others.
Then again, you also don't lose face from being asked to betray your loyalties and going "Nah."

>>96063472
Wizard reminds me of a player in the teegee game finder discord. Never forgets the tiniest slight and is malicious towards everyone whenever they so much as step near his toes, god forbid on them.

>>96067781
For me it comes down to the claims just never having even slightly measured up to reality. Touhoufag was built up as this giga autist who can't handle disagreement, inserts fetishes into everything, spergs out over numbers unprompted and is generally disruptive, like all of the other /tg/ spergs I've had the misfortune of dealing with but combined into one.

Then he makes a thread like this and he acts just... Normal. Even by non /tg/ standards this isn't a thread that would seem weird or disruptive, it's just an anecdote of a game that went wrong and talking about social combat. The only weird shit in it was the faggot who started screaming that the thread was made by Touhoufag and making shit up.
Hell, it doesn't even look like he engaged with anything that wasn't relevant to the thread topic. That alone probably makes him better than most anons. It's convinced me the people who obsess over him are ten times worse.

>>96093540
Normal people don't talk about butthurt from 10+ years ago.

>>96093794
Normal people talk about old shit that happened to them all the time. You wouldn't know, Wizard.

>>96093807
If you're always talking about how you're surrounded by assholes, you're the asshole.

>>96094010
Yet you're the only one here who does that and has been called an awful person by multiple anons.

>>96093540
I agree that it's best to never go into herd mentality, but I wouldn't go presuming the guy's a saint if only cause he's been doing this cross-posting gimmick between 4chan and reddit where he dumps a story and never engages with anyone to confirm or deny details. And nearly every single tale is one where he's never the one at fault, it's always on the GM or other players. Meaning that he either keeps playing with the worst people, or he's doing what he can to make himself seem better in hindsight, like here.

And frankly, I don't really get why he would need to try and whitewash his past. Even in this instance, which we had to dig up and look for ourselves, I'm going to be fair and say taht even if Touhoufag wasn't exactly a saint he absolutely wasn't the problem player compared to that Wizard fuck. Nor was the incident even anywhere near as bad as he tried to make it look, imo. It wasn't the game master and the players swarming in to bully someone for playing the "wrong character", it was a minor disagreement over how much his "half-fae momma's boy catboi" would be willing to budge when his life is on the line vs his fear of said mother, namely when the game is now centered on said mother being the new central villain. Like maybe it's me, but I don't see how that alone would crash a game, conflicts between character motive and what the overall party wants to do happen a fair bit in games. Saying that this minor disagreement lead to an enormous fallout, well, that's really fucking ominous and not the kind of thing you share unless you WANT people poking at our motives.

I dunno. Like I said, I'm not sure if I can take him solely at his word with his tall tales. He absolutely isn't the worst person I've ever seen, but I'd trust him a lot more if he actually showed up to talk about what happened instead of just dumping a story and then fucking off to leave us guessing. But that's just me.

>>96064300
To be fair, bringing a fae to the church where they are rendered powerless before you use the social system to try and affectively intimidate them into betraying their kind is absolutely the kind of shit where you're fully justified in running the fuck away.

>>96083531
He never left, dude posts a new thread at least once a week.

2hufag mostly does PF2, Draw Steel, and Mage: The Awakening nowadays. Was testing Daggerheart for a short while before deciding it's not for him.

>>96094735
>namely when the game is now centered on said mother being the new central villain
I'm pretty sure that's the other players' fault.

>>96094828
I know. It's why at no point I suggested the conflict was 2hu's fault. I might personally have realized my party was full of fuckwads who were gong to make maintaining loyalties impossible and went "fuck this, I'm changing characters", but choosing to stick it out and try to work out something was a valid choice at that juncture. Like I said, conflicts between character motivation and a party's best interests happen all the time, and in a better game they would have been able to find a reasonable compromise.

Though I suspect that the game was already angling to make the winter fae the villain from the start, because wiping Dresden off the map for a rather petty slight is in-charracter for a Queen but also a pretty obvious contrivance, but that's just me.

>>96094735
>And nearly every single tale is one where he's never the one at fault, it's always on the GM or other players.
Yeah people generally don't tell stories where they're the asshole. So what?

> Saying that this minor disagreement lead to an enormous fallout, well, that's really fucking ominous and not the kind of thing you share unless you WANT people poking at our motives.
It's simply a correct statement, though. You literally could not mention Dresden Files on here without some retard bringing up 2hu.
And if Wizard is willing to keep lying about it a decade and a half later on /tg/, I'd be completely unsurprised if there was far greater drama across the IRCs this happened around.

You're basically just bitching about the tone and making shit up to be mad at, at this point. Nobody presumes him a saint, just that he's inarguably in the right here and the alogs are far more gay, retarded, and annoying.

>>96097707
>alogs
And now you've successfully nuked whatever credibility your arguments ever had

>>96097833
Trademark Wizard post.

>>96097852
>anyone who disagrees with me must be this wizard faggot, I'm certain of that

>>96097865
Say if you're not him why do you repeat his opinions, obsess over 2hu, and talk about credibility on an anonymous imageboard like he does?

>>96098202
Cause you're a delusional kiwinigger, probably. I've been the one saying that I consider both 2hu and this Wizard fuck to be obnoxious cunts in their own ways, but at least acknowledging the records show Edna wasn't the instigator or problem child in this tale.

>>96098244
>kiwinigger
Yeah this is Wizard kek.

>>96099714
Please take your medication, anon

>>96099883
I would have gone with "Calm Thyself", but sometimes meds will help.

>>96062912
This, puckee is nogames

>>96051023
That one chinese nationalist with a rape obsession seems to be back, so maybe top 5?

>>96062811
based emotionally cold abusive husband poster. good to see some of us vets are still kicking around.

>>96117348
This but unironically.