Thread 96058937

Post inspiring Warhammer tables that just make you want to get in a game!

>>96058937 (OP)
This is worse than if they had just used trash or Lego blocks or something

>>96058937 (OP)
Say hi to the discord for me

>>96060225
>bumping the thread to feed the troll
gj retard

>>96058937 (OP)
looking good
remember terrain slapped together to get on the table and game with today
is better than something that looks great and never leaves the shelf

>>96058937 (OP)
>>96059033
>>96060154
>souless

SOVL

>>96060225
Meds

>>96060319
We have to go back

Dioramas are a lost occult art. Taught father to son

>>96060338
Nice!

>>96060312
Sorry, but that doesn't fill the requirements for a balanced tournament table. I know back in the day boomers didn't know nor care about fairness, but we've learnt to be better since then.

>>96060341
I'm pretty damn sure almost no diorama maker learned it from their father. There's probably a few, but not that many.

>Warhammer Chud: "I'll never play historicals, you can never find a game unlike wahammer!!"
>The game:

>>96060366
It all went downhill when they got rid of scatter dice

building is half the fun of the game
and the other half is painting

>>96059005
Honestly if they removed all the trinkets, phones and dice and shit and straightened out the fabric I don't think this would look necessarily bad if the armies were fully painted. Bland, but not necessarily ugly

Heres my half of the board bro, come at me!

>>96060366
What are those circles? Are they blast templates?

Fight in the fungus fields!

>>96060354
Life isn't fair kid.

Jungle made from fish tank plants

>>96058937 (OP)
I don't understand why tournaments don't embrace the minimalism and need to put a proper mat under the blocks. Always wanted to do the style of pic related for a kill team board.

>>96059033
It's so easy to paint terrain to a decent standard. Money is clearly not the issue here, so why not buy/print some decent ruins, treat them the exact same way as they treated the shitty mdf and give it another dry brush and and shade?

>>96061852
thematic objective markers

>>96060362
>>96060341

I did but my father is an absolute loser. Some good memories as a kid was working on train / terrain.

>>96062672
Those aren't thematic (unless the theme you're going for is 'board game'). Numbered flags on bases would look more thematic than that.

>>96061891
Doesn't mean we have to reproduce the unfair powerstructures in our games.

>>96062765
That's the joke, did you not read the OP, or see the OP's picture? Was trying to keep my reply in the spirit of disgust that this thread was obviously made in.
The current objective marker iteration fills the need of ultra gamified symbols to ensure the rules lawyers and waacfags have no points to dispute. And simultaneously look like turbo ass.

>>96060354
>thinks GW games can be balanced
Look up the term powercreep kid. GW constantly fucks with the balance to make tournament autists buy the latest winning thing.

>>96060338
Would you ever take the cap off these Pringle Tubes in-game?

Classic Warhammer objective markers (actual thematic objectives) have so much more SOVL than the tokens/pie plates that WAACfags use today. They treat Warhammer like it's a tabletop MOBA game or hero shooter like Marvel Rivals and Overwatch, instead of creating a thematic and immersive battle on the table

>>96066142
It would be cool to fight over those DoW strategic points instead of arbitrary laser tag "zones" on the battlefield

Why is the standard so low, can someone explain?

>>96067404
Building terrain is hard, and building "balanced" terrain is harder.

trenches diorama/kill team board that i never got around to finishing, might start over and make something based on the siege of vraaks

>>96067404
1) The rules. 40k in its current state "requires" you to play with pre-set L-shaped ruin setups in their mission layouts.
2) Many newer or unknowing hobbyists might not know about DIY, printing, third party, etc. and think GW terrain is all that is available. GW has a poor selection of very expensive terrain pieces on their store. The pic in your post seems to possibly be this case, the players there only have GW terrain pieces.

The Main Reason, however...
3) The players themselves. Majority of 40k players are fucking cucked, low iq morons who are competitive-focused, do not know how to socialize or think for themselves to even fathom doing anything custom or houseruled, and need GW to handhold them on what they're allowed to do in the game. Most 40k players do NOT care about aesthetics despite what you might see posted in comments online. Vast majority of players would never paint their models, not ever buy terrain, mats, or do anything besides buying models if they didn't feel like they had to. The only reason most 40k players do anything besides consume models and roll dice is because there's still some vestigial remnants of gentlemen's codes in the community despite it being eroded greatly over the years.

My local tabletop club got a laser cutter, they held a big tournament for people from all over and made a ton of terrain.

Problem with TOW is that if you put too much terrain, the units can't move properly and if there's little to no terrain, it looks like shit.
AOS and 40k tables can have lots of terrain since units are way more maneuverable

>>96067733
>>96067745
They have their own laser cutter and shitty L shaped shit is the best they could come up with?

>>96067745
When did the pie plates objective markers become so prevalent? I played 40k a ton up until 8th edition and I have NEVER seen one of these back then

>>96067816
So now the objective is an area instead of a single token, so you know if the majority of the unit is on the objective or not

>>96067783
yup, WTC style terrain. I freaking hate it.

>>96067742
The secret to rank and flank, or really any table for a larger scale wargame, is to make minimalist but still thematic boards, a less is more approach.
The issue with the terrain in your picture there, as well as honestly a lot of wargaming tables I see in general, is that there's thematic dissonance between all the pieces. The hills are in weird, unrealistic spots and have a completely different colour grass than the mat beneath them. There's both an elven monument and some random ass hut in the same field. None of this makes sense and it looks like shit as a result even if the individual pieces are fine by themselves. It's similar to these 40k tables where you have random shit scattered everywhere in the middle of a volcano like this >>96067404 It's also why the neoprene circle objectives are so shitty looking, they clash with the rest of the table.
If that volcano board replaced all the terrain with rocky outcrops that matched the mat and pools of lava it would look infinitely better.
Getting rid of everything besides the trees and hut would instantly improve the setup in the fantasy table there. Pic related is a decent example, the table isn't anything special and could definitely have more done to it but all the pieces go together well to where it still looks pretty decent.

>>96067934
thanks for the input. I was trying to represent the forest of Athelorn, and thus put an imperial farm next to the elven monuments. As for my hills, yeah, the grass is bright
I'll do better next time, I have some palm trees and ruins to represent Nehekhara

>>96067977
If you're going for an elven forest board I would say drop the farm and hills, get more trees and look into scatter terrain foliage that doesn't effect gameplay and you can just pick up and move around if units need to move through it. Maybe look into a brighter grass mat and use the hills there instead for an imperial countryside board rather than feeling like you can't use them. As I said, they're fine on their own, they just need a mat that suits them better. The trees are fine, and the elven monuments can work if they're more spread around around the forest, like shrines the wood elves set up around the woods. Something like a lake in the center of the table could be a neat idea also

Welcome to the Warhammer tournament bro

>>96067713
now you can play trench crusade on it!

>>96067742
unpopular opinion, but I think terrain getting in the way is what can lead to some really exciting battles.

The ideal is always going to be a clear field, but some times you have to deal with an Agincourt.

>Go to a tournament
>Complain that it behaves like a tournament

>>96069394
For F&R you need some, but surprisingly little in the right spots so that the entire armies can't just move directly forwards in perfect parallel. If there is something like a hill on one side, it gives players a reason to send parts of their army there to claim it.
>>96067934
Is a good example but I would move the copse of trees about 12" inboard to make that far side of the board a flanking threat and tighten the middle some.

Y'all ready for the Rhana Dandra?

>>96069521
Who makes this kit?

>>96069659
One of the most offensive pics I've ever seen in this website. How is this fun? Why did he think this was picture worthy?

>>96060311
Does anyone know what the spider tank on the top of the pringles tower is?

>>96059005
Random objects and lego bricks can have sovl if done right, aka by using them to assemble something more interesting than boring fucking flat rectangular walls (refer to posts like >>96060311, >>96060338, >>96060359, and >>96060376 for samples of doing it right with random objects, and for lego bricks, making something passable is as easy as remembering what lego bricks were designed to do)
And even if you didn't try and just threw them onto the table, they'd still be better than what is possibly the pinnacle of shitty generic L shaped ruin terrain that you see in the OP

The image you posted is an atrocity though with all the random bullshit scattered across the table, a tablecloth that I'm pretty sure was on the floor an hour before that photo was taken, and unpainted models
If you're just rolling dice on the middle of the battlefield then why even bother having a dice tray in the first place

>>96061931
Oh no, that would actually make minimalist terrain look good
Enjoy whatever L shaped ruins we had lying around in a storage bin thrown onto some unfitting mat with the objective markers just being whatever drink coasters we had in the break room

>>96069659
Hyperbole much? How can you say that when OP's picture exists? Doesn't look fun, both the claustrophobic nook, and the sad clusters of army blobs presumably waiting to leafblower the other.
But only one unpainted model and painted terrain make this better looking than probably 99% of GW games played this year.
>>96069553
Tables like this are an extreme outlier in my experience. And only really happen at events like B.OY.L. or in people's homes.

>>96069436
Tournaments can have real tables. 40k tournament system tournies are fucked though, they have strict anti-soul policy.

>>96069805
>Tournaments can have real tables.
Some executive somewhere is sending the Pinkerton's to murder you and rape your pets for saying this.

>>96069805
You are correct, they can. Now get to work, we need 48 tables' worth of terrain for next month's tournament. If you average completing one table a day you might even get a couple of days off.

Compfags are always the worst in everything they touch. The average 40k compfag would get stomped by the average casual player, especially when in this strategy war game their too retarded to strategize with the terrain. I wouldn't be suprised if 40k compfags were actually mentally retarded like fortnite compfags.

>>96069240
Warhammer is so fucking soulless now. I think it's reached the point where playing Warhammer can officially be categorized as normie behavior.

>>96069713
Infinity the Game; Nomads - Tsyklon/Lunokhod Sputnik. A game where scenery matters, and adds to the game.

>>96070043
Oh fuck off with this attitude. If a shop doesn't already have the terrain on hand to fill each table with fully painted and crafted terrain, then they shouldn't be holding a tournament. Problem is, most of these game shops are so desperate for cash because they are normally failing businesses anyway, so they just have these tournaments with shitty tables in the hopes of making some quick cash.

>>96070087
Cheers, the profile of it's body was different enough that it was bugging me. Plenty of spider mechs out there but that one has a different upper abdomen design.

>>96070043
Been there, done that. Unironically a skill issue.

>>96066171
Strategic points are already as bland and generic as possible for an objective, but GW could really put at least put that much effort into their objectives.

>>96066171
I saw a video about a week ago where someone tried to convert Dawn of War into tabletop 40k. It was basically regular 40k just with some homebrew rules to simulate things like base building and capturing strategic points.

>>96066171
People have made 3D printed versions of them, they're pretty easy to find on Etsy and suchlike.

>>96067404
The other people are wrong. It's not because of the rules or The simple reason is demand. Not for terrain, mind you, but for gaming space. 40k especially has gained huge traction over the last decade or so, and the competitive scene has exploded in size along with the game. This demand has created larger tournaments, with more people attending and even actual money on the line. But 40k requires space to play, and not a little space either. It's not just the table, but off-loading areas and enough for the players to move around the table. And it requires terrain. This has always been through, even in earlier editions, 40k is a very lethal game if played on open boards. These two factors combine to create a need to have the ability to have LOTS of tables (there are tournaments with hundreds of participants, which means hundreds of tables), and to be able to fill each and every one of those tables with terrain. It simply isn't feasible to host a such a large event and have enough terrain to have every table looking amazing. So it's easy to find pictures from huge events where they've used MDF or other shortcuts simply to be able to have enough tables. If you could zoom out, every single "cool" table in the thread would just be a singular table, meant for two guys alone, while most of the "bad" ones would be surrounded by dozens of similar ones and be part of large gaming events with lots of people.

>>96069240
That looks like hell. Imagine spending a few thousand on figures, months or years on assembling and painting them to be perfect, only to end up playing in such shit low effort tournament terrain.

>>96071268
Actual cope. Make the players bring scenery and set it up. Community and culture issue, work on yourselves or go back to mobas.

>>96071268
40kuck cope or satire?. This was actually hilarious to read

>>96061891
>>96063180
You people will ignore the most obvious sarcasm and take the most obvious bait just so you can get angry on the internet.

>>96067816
>>96067829
well, objectives are still a single "point" in space you control by being within 3". The rules even suggest using models for objectives. the community decided pie plates with a 3" radius make it very easy to see who controls what objective.

I have the pie plates, but I use them like a measuring tool, I don't just leave them on the board

>>96067934
That's a Battlemasters watch tower! Kino

>>96060374
>they got rid of scatter dice
they fucking what

>>96071268
The most ignorant retards on 4chan will write paragraphs full of condescendingly obvious shit to justify bullshit conclusions and I want to know why. Is it a cope for being retarded?

40k might have got more popular but big tournaments weren't invented at the same time as everyone started adopting ITC standards (FLG- happy to houserule but were suspiciously quiet on fixing GW's shit terrain rules, they just happen to own a laser cutter). I was playing big tournaments even in country towns in the 2000s and they had good looking tables. Now they have the same mirrored MDF L shaped ruins as everyone else. The infamous London GT where casual gamers started noticing this shit had access to stacks of GW terrain.

TL;DR 40k's shit terrain rules laid the foundation for this shit and FLG made it take off.

>>96072210
A single point in space that models can be placed on directly. As with GW's shitty LoS rules this is a situation that garbage rules have created.

Learn how to make wire trees and enjoy a lifetime of good terrain.

>>96072210
>>96074616
The objective is still 40mm in diameter. You contest it by being in its area of influence, ie, within 3 inches of it. Hence the pie markers, making it easier to see which models are within range to contest it and not having to argue "no, I measured this guy totally within 3 inches!"

That said, my issue with modern objectives is they're just a nebulous flat nothing. A point on the battlefield that only symbolizes a gameplay aspect. Before 8th, I had models for objectives, either terminals for data extraction, weapon/ammo caches, or other war materiel that would make sense that you'd be fighting over.
Hell, I think it was back in 2nd or 3rd ed, for Space Wolves, if Bjorn the Fell Handed was ever downed, you didn't remove him as a casualty, you left him in place and he turned into a bonus objective for the Space Wolf player to defend. Which in my mind is wonderfully fluffy.

>>96071268
>it's not because of the rules
>It requires terrain, 40k is a very lethal game
so it is also the rules then? If 40k had rules like other wargames you wouldn't need a dozen terrain pieces per table.
>it simply isn't feasible to host a large event and have enough terrain
then shrink the venue? require people to bring their own terrain? lowering the quality to that degree just to fit more dudes in is stupid if you have any actual hobby integrity and aren't just trying to cash in by hosting events for a popular game.
>most of the bad ones are events
objectively incorrect, vast majority are not events but random game stores. I have been to and seen dozens upon dozens of hobby shops and 99% of 40k players in particular have ugly ass tables designed to emulate the tournament dogshit because 40k players on average are lazy fucks who have no care for the hobby outside of playing it like an esports video game. The issue is the players first, and the rules second for encouraging them to do it.

I'm working on a mechanicus inspired table.

>>96067934
Ah, the old Claymore Saga tower, that brings memories.

>>96075127
How big is it?

>>96060225
what discord?

>>96069793
> t. owner of that crapass table

>>96069512
Fuckin' Legends
>>96069526
That is one reason most terrain sucks now; no push toward custom work, and no more leaning toward 'What are you working on' and more 'You should buy XYZ'

>>96067404
this is a game for children, literally 12 years old+

what're you over on /gif/ criticising their choice of porn too

>>96072210
I've seen tape measures be a full inch out in a foot, you wouldn't believe the problems it causes

>>96070099
or y'know having to find storage for terrain for multiple different systems and set it up and put it away and replace it when it gets damaged or stolen is just an extra cost most small businesses can't really afford

like do you know what it costs just to rent a store per square foot anywhere near somewhere worth being

>>96066142
I love this structure so much

>>96080927
There's a discord full of people who hate 40k. They regularly make posts just like OP showing shitty game tables and acting like it means all 40k games are shit. They've been doing these pathetic raids for months.

>>96086181
Exactly, don't listen to them. Come play with me instead

>>96086181
It's kinda sad actually. I don't like 40k as a Wargame either, but the solution is so simple: I play something I like.

>>96086333
Kek thanks for the pic, this one's going in my collection!

>>96086181
Meds

Trash makes best terrain material.

>>96086353
I only play kill team and indie games like xenos tactics, OPR, and space weirdos. The anti 40k agenda is painfully obvious from these lazy threads though.

>>96086402
Have you considered that maybe it's because 40kucks are just the easier losers to bait?

>>96086411
Yes they probably are, but the baiter is just as much of a sorry loser.

>>96086333
Wtf is that clown thing?

>>96071268
Is this >>96086333 you at your cool table playing a heckin epic game with so many friends?

>>96086333
They play Warhammer at the clown convention?

>>96086333
Why is it that the guys with careers, families, other hobbies, and hygiene who show up infrequently to lgs rocking polos and digital watches are the ones who always have their armies painted and bring soul scatter terrain or modular xps maps, and the guys who are terminally at the lgs can’t be bothered to paint more than a few of their favorite guys in an army of 20+ minis or make any sort of terrains? Is this the hobbyist v consumer divide on full display?

>>96058937 (OP)
>>96059033
It's hilarious that 40k is designed with only this exact terrain setup in mind. Any other board will see one side hilariously blown off the table on turn 1. What a dogshit "wargame"

>>96060374
Templates and scatter dice were load bearing rules that held up all of the game's SOUL. The moment they were removed 40k lost all mechanical identity beyond IGOUGO and Alpha Strike spam.

>>96088104
You honestly summed it up fairly succinctly. You'll also notice there are more of the former type and less of the latter in historical games which is why their models and terrain always looks great

>>96088174
Don't forget vehicle facing and vehicle damage chart instead of the video game HP bar modern vehicles get

>>96088104
They commission other people to do it for them. Usually the overweight guy playing some game you haven't heard of wearing a battlestar galactica shirt. LGS ecosystem is weird.

>>96067804
sexo

>>96060338
>the flavor tubs of Agri-world Prin-Gles

>>96088104
How can I fall in with those type of gamer and avoid the crashed out vapelard type in anons pic related?

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>>96086333
these say it all

>>96088892
Nice little table. Too bad GW butchered this game

Nevar posted these anywhere before. A bunch of modular tiles I made in the first 1-2 years of Newcromunda.

DESU I was never that happy with the final product in play because a) I'm autistic and the seams between tiles bothered me, and b) the tiles were all 12"x12" so it made it pretty easy to "cheat" range guessing (although premeasuring systems are better than no-premeasuring systems, so fuck it I guess).

Haven't played Necromunda since before the pandemic :(

>>96089387
These are straight kino. Got any now pics?

>>96074714
Can you make wire L shaped ruins?

>>96089467
Negative. They passed through the hands of several painters and several different schemes, never got finished, and are now packed in a box. If I were to begin playing again I would probably prefer to use a mat for 3/4 games.

Here's a pic of them with terrain on top (friend's pic, has a weird filter I think).

One of the abortive paint schemes, some rusty shit I didn't really like.

>>96089310
Yeah havent played after it dropped. What a shame

I am content with my table setups

>>96058937 (OP)

Kinda amazing actually. I played a Battletech campaign in the 00's where my friends refused to play on any map that wasn't just scattered trees and hills. And now that sort of autism is the default.

>>96089310

I don't disapprove of the rules changes like making heroic strength better and having more heroes at F7(F6 was pretty crowded) but I'm not sure WTF they were going for with the "oops, all legendary legions!" approach to the list-building. I don't just want to recreate scenes from the books/movies, I want alternate history scenarios where Treebeard teams up with Galadriel or something.

>>96095526
GW realized their nu-40k audience is too retarded for list building so every game is gradually becoming pre-determined lists. Just look at kill team, combat patrol, spearhead, etc.

>>96088104
>why do organized people have their shit together more than lazy fucks?
Truly, a mystery for the ages.

>>96096895
You’re putting the cart before the horse I think. The genuine mystery here is
>why do people whose entire personality and lifestyle hinges on miniature games to the point that self-care, self-respect, and real quality of life suffer never actually paint all their dudes and never hand craft terrain?
>In the meantime, why guys for whomst a miniatures hobby is a just a blip on an otherwise squared-away healthy, full lifestyle always have lovingly painted armies and soulful handmade terrain maps?

>>96097423
>why do people whose entire personality and lifestyle hinges on miniature games to the point that self-care, self-respect, and real quality of life suffer never actually paint all their dudes and never hand craft terrain?
That's a genuinely interesting question, since not painting minis and not making nice tables directly harms the entire worth of them as people, at least according to that mindset. I'd expect such types to come with fancily painted shit and be huge faggots about how better than you they are since their orks have freehanded toenails and yours don't.

>>96074233
Like close to a decade ago man, how long have been out of the loop?

>>96086181
Can you explain what happened to all the people that shitposted 40k on /tg/ before discord existed?

>>96095547
Stuff like this just looks gross. I appreciate all the work that went into it, but I seriously question the mental state of people who spend countless hours creating ugliness instead of beauty

>>96069521
> Doxxs himself and his loved one

>>96086181
Least schizoid 40k-fan

>>96098106
Kek I didn't even notice. What game is he playing that warrants a waffle House on the table?

>>96069521
>>96098217
Nice 'stache

>>96086333
The mascot of soulless consoomer style gaming

>>96085738
>what're you over on /gif/ criticising their choice of porn too
Yes, porn these days is fucking garbage.
even the hentais are lower quality

>>96067757
why are they trying to play 40k on a necromunda board

>>96099168
Because jumbling aesthetics into an eyesore of absolute caca doesn’t even register with that type of witless retard. See clown guy

>>96098217
Maybe Marvel Crisis Protocol?

>>96088174
As someone who ran foot guard themed around flamethrowers I will never forgive the removal of templates. Completely fucked me up.

>>96060354
>Sorry, but that doesn't fill the require...
fuck off, faggot

>>96060319
Is that Bolt Action? Absolute diorama tier board and terrain.

>>96060311
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>>96086378
Based trash McGyver recycling wargame patricians.
>>96088622
Don't fall into them.

>>96089387
>>96089641
>>96089661
nice stuff

>>96070087
I can never get into playing Infinity, but it's a game I adore and it's always had immaculate designs and terrain, that Mirror's Edge city is just another proof.
Gonna post some favorites:

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>>96098108
Hi discorders, having fun shitposting?

>>96086378
We use trash and these magnetic tiles my kids have to make battlefields. Works great, and they can build Imperial Cathedrals better than GW.

>>96097730
I dropped 40 with 3ed, kept glancing at the state of affairs every few years which only kept proving me right.

>>96097423
>>96097656
You know what, you might be right. A total hobby fanatic will fret over the smallest details, get paralyzed over the possibility of trivial errors, and ultimately do little in fear he'll never measure up to is perfect vision (he won't).
Someone who just likes the hobby a lot will paint his shit nicely assuming that if he fucks up, he can just strip them or sell/rebuy, ending up with a 80% painting level for 20% the effort. Meanwhile the fanatic uses his time more productively to post an online rant seething that the guy used some contrast paints.

>>96061931
>I don't understand why tournaments don't embrace the minimalism
Tron-like terrain (i.e. painted black with harsh neon edge highlights) was a thing in Infinity for a while.

>>96067733
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>>96067757
Nordic Tabletop Showdown, had around 250 players.
They were playing by official gw rules with wtc style terrain setups.

Atleast the L-shapes got details and are colored, and the tiny containers doesn't look bad either. So they atleast put SOME effort into that.
The mats also got a texture and isn't just a one color cloth or a bare table.
Bonus: the objective markers and squares under the buildings aren't just simple paper sheets either.

>>96102325
That's just a basic human failing. People fall into analysis paralysis, start heckling about what could've been better even when they have none of the experience needed to make such judgements. Best antidote to that is simply doing shit.

Were tournament fags always like this? I don't remember this for my LGS local tournament back at the end of 4th ed. That one even had a narrative and expected us to write stuff from our commander's perspective.

>>96102753
Yes. The "3 colors and wash + basing" minimum painting standard is something that tourneyfags had to be dragged kicking and screaming into. There was a lot of furious seething and coping for literally decades and it continues to this day.

>>96102753
Tournaments have become min-maxxed affairs. The people involved are mathhammer players and waacfags, nothing more. They don't care about the hobby they only care about winning.

You want tournaments that look like what you played back in 4th edition you unironically have to find people still player 4th, or 6th fantasy, or Mordheim, or any of the 28 movement or other niche indie miniature war/skirmish games.

>>96102753
>That one even had a narrative and expected us to write stuff from our commander's perspective.
Lucky you, I never had one like that. Then again, I did play a lot of fluffy custom mini-campaigns for Infinity, so it was not all bad.

>this
>is how
>we
>do
>eeeeet

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>>96100339
>those game boards are not symetrical
>that's not how you simulate real life warfare
>battlefields are supposed to be evenly laid out, flat, with both sides having equal capabilities
>i am a strategist

>>96103366
>Lines on the ground
L shape ruins are one thing
Footprints are a different beast entirely, holy shit I hate it.

>>96103383
>he doesn't use Da Krunch

>>96103366
Isn’t he from an episode of to catch a predator?

>>96096842
In at least one way that could be an extremely good thing, because it quarantines the competitive players. If there is a "balanced" game or gamemode with premade lists and then unbalanced games/modes that are crunchy and creative everyone wins. Of course it depends on GW allocating design resources for that second category of games/modes.

>>96095414
>Nfeyma stuff
fucking love his designs for guard vehicles
using his heavy weapon carriages for my steel legion, but i gotta repair my printer before i try for some of the tanks and stuff.

>>96095547
Is that Trent from the miscast youtube in the background?

>>96069337
No, now he can have an unfinished 'Trench Crusade' Army to go with his unfinished board.

>>96089543
KEK!

>>96070793
That'd be Zorpazorp, no doubt. Guy means well, but he's grating as hell at times.

>>96061868
Honestly? I really like this idea for alien fungus fields. I'm gonna pop down to the craft stores tomorrow after work and see if any of them have little puff balls like this.

>>96086378
do you play orks by any chance (or have ever considered having at least a few ork models)

These buildings cost me less than $1 and a few hours construction time.

>>96111657

Looks dope. This guy has some stuff that is a similar vibe.

https://youtu.be/Cy2RMFtN1p8?si=dpzEtJha-iP9QFDh


Im gonna post sone of my stuff that I've been putting on the terrain general. It's more Kill Team/Necromunda focused, but might work for 40k.

Toy plastic pipes make for easy scatter terrain. Just assemble, glue, then paint. I used a sand texture paint on pic related to rough it up a little.

Dog poo bag rolls, glued, painted with watered down glue to seal, then painted to look rusty.

>>96111824

Easy barricades, glue random scraps of junk to a base and paint it.

Easy insulation foam walls. Copied from this guy

https://youtu.be/uIMfwD_wPeo?si=2ooOKRR5Il3YiVPb

Perrier cans, craft paint and workshop scrap.

Recycling bin stuff and some foam board.

PVC pipe and craft store paints.

Anyway, all Im trying to show is that it is pretty easy and cheap to knock out terrain that is better looking than L-shaped ruins. It doesn't need to be diorama tier to look decent, and, I can do it, even the dumbest anon can do it

>>96111824
Also a good idea to ask a friendly grocery store or such to leave some receipt rolls for you.

>>96111891
>it is pretty easy and cheap to knock out terrain that is better looking than L-shaped ruins
Where there's a will, there's a way. Where there's no will, there's an excuse.
The problem is not the skill nor the time nor the money, all these are cope. The problem is shitty tournament rules mandating shitty L ruins, and the unwillingness to write/play your own rules instead of that garbage.
But we're talking about the basic bitch default nobrain choice wargame, so... Free shrugs, I guess.

>>96111943
Yup. Sluggish people want passive entertainment, and 40k tournament rules cater to that while also providing the illusion of agency and executive function to fat gross retards who work in retail at age 40. Tournament shit is a solved game and it protects the aforementioned grossos from all the bumps and bruises that come from genuine competition, intellectual rigor, and artistic expression.

>grass mat
>trees
>hills
why don't people just do this anymore like the old days? this was the staple wargame table for any game back in the 80s-2000s. Costs like under $100 and looks good, you literally don't even have to worry about terrain placement since hills and trees look good anywhere on a grass mat. Why is everyone these days wanting some ugly ass ruined city table that costs $1000 to put together and look good? There's way cheaper options to have aesthetically pleasing tables

>>96111803
Nigger, the toy pipes haven't been in stock for fucking forever

>>96115038
just search toy pipe set or w/e in your fav chinkshit shop

>>96110644
looks like it

>>96111824
nice crop, Lambo

>>96115038
I can get a set same-day delivered from Amazon. Or pay 40% of that price and get them straight from China.

Consider not living in Poland.

Itt: Boomers who hate balance

>>96118342
Just an endless retarded discord raid

>>96100284
I almost bought a couple couple those buzz lightyear zerg cruisers.

>>96086181
Is it that hard to believe that 40k 10th edition is shit? That you should be playing a narrative game system instead? That all competitive players need to be killed?

>>96119036
You're all going to die. You know that, right? Horus Heresy players are about to reenact the drop site massacre in your LGS, and we're gonna kill every last one of you 10th edition fags. At least in North America, where we have guns. Don't know about you eurofags, guess gaming is fucked for you over there

>>96118342
Not a boomer, but yes I hate balance. Balance and fairness are for sissy faggots who can't handle losing. War isn't fair or "balanced" and wargames shouldn't be either.

>>96118342
>>96119412
I love the new asymmetric deployments

>>96058937 (OP)
>>96067742
>>96069659
Patterned gaming mats like this actually just make your table look worse. The patterns give you less freedom in layout if you want it to look good, and they make it harder for your scenery to blend in seamlessly compared to flat colours like >>96067934, >>96069553.
Really all you need is a piece of green, grey, beige, or white fabric depending on the environment, and then you can colour match all your terrain's bases to that one shade.

>>96119854
>MY MODELS ARE PEWTER
>I DRESS LIKE A GOTH
>I'M A STRAIGHT SHOOTER
>PLAYING ON PLAIN CLOTH

>>96119329
I only play kill team and don’t live in Europe or North America. What now?

>>96120069
>playing kill(ed) team
You're already in Hell of your own making.

>>96119854
Ive got one of GF9s mats from a decade ago and its literally just a photo of a plain static grass mat printed back onto neoprene, which is really crude compared to modern designs but it means you can match your terrain to it fairly easily, the only issue being that neoprene catches light differently to my flocked terrain so itll never be 100% in bright sunlight.
But I should have bought one of GWs cloth-backed mats when I had the chance, mistakes were made.

>>96120442
The one drawback to the actual 'grass mats' is that they're a bitch to clean if they pick up lint, pet hair, dust, or any other unwanted particulate. Depending on the type of 'grass mat' certain minis can have balance issues as well. That said, I do like the look of well made grass mats and wouldn't mind owning one myself.

>>96080912
New format, 44x60. Making enough tiles/terrain for a 4'x8' my buddy has tho

>>96119412
> Balance and fairness are for sissy faggots who can't handle losing. War isn't fair or "balanced" and wargames shouldn't be either.

>>96126115
is that a self portrait or are you forgetting where all this ugly mirror match MDF terrain comes from?
>sage in the name field but not in options
newfag retard

>>96060312
Nice. Is that supposed to be Typhon from DOW2? It's giving me 'Nam flashbacks of getting wiped by that fucking boss Licker.

>>96111657
I have stuff by this guy, instantly made my games more fun. papercraft is underrated

Got and painted an old kill team box, a munitions depot. Any ideas of what else I could add to this board? It feels pretty bare. I’m think about getting a IG Chimera. I don’t mind making own terrain as well. Or should I get more containers instead

>>96126151
I'd say take the L but you have been taking them in rules since 3rd edition, story since 5th ed, and then started using them for terrain since 6th edition.

>>96126151
>UUH I HATE BALANCE! JUST LET ME WIN!

>>96127183
>papercraft is underrated
It moves like hell the moment you think about it the wrong way, and weighing it down is a hassle.

As a bit of a joke made 6mm size table for 40k, not epic, but 28mm 40k rules if they were to be played at 6mm, microhammer or something along the lines is the old idea. Was fun little 3D printing project, would recommend if you wanna do the game at small scale and own like newer FDM printer or resin printer. (Can do it with actual minis but its cheaper if printed)

>>96129371
Just put it on a base like mdf or even foamcore

>>96127784
Low brick or concrete walls is fun one to make, basically stuff you would have for old burned out warehouses.
Otherwise if you wanna build stuff yourself, look into vehicles as you said, both military andd weirder non-military ones.
I don't know your area, but some libraries got plastic 3D printers at reasonable costs you can print some stuff if you don't have printer yourself, could get some silly vechiles printed and use those.

Also consider piles of scrap or small buildings as your scratchbuilding options.

>>96130924
Then it's not just papercraft and I may as well just do the whole terrain piece from said materials.

>>96131240
>papercraft purist

>>96131240
You are retarded

>>96100247
God damn I fucking hate the "just airbrush some white in the middle" hex floors.
It looks so weird and unreal.
Pinwash the grooves for shadow depth, don't put weirdly precise spotlights on flat surfaces.

Sick table though.

This >>96100254 is totally gorgeous though.
For what game? Would make a great Malifaux OR Infinity table.

Billions must try!

>>96132721
>For what game?
Infinity, as mentioned up the quote chain.

>>96132935
>>96132951

>>96080927
Theres a discord screenshot of people claiming they're going to take down space marine 2 and ever since then any negative talk about any games workshop product ever is attributed to them. We have no idea whether said discord is even real or if the image is a fake or falseflag since that's the easiest platform to do that on

>>96058937 (OP)

I havent played tabletop games in awhile..but surely players can just homebrew that the terrain footoribt blocks los entirely? That way you can have ruble and windows and trees and not get blasted from across the table

>>96133619
What always rubs me the wrong way is how ruins sometimes have holes or windows. Infantry can move through ruins freely, but "bottom floor doors and windows closed" rules mean that you cannot shoot at them until they emerge.

>>96131240
tard

>>96086181
I haven't been checking /tg/ much for a few years since I went inactive midway through 9th when my army (admech) was functionally removed from the game. Over on /vg/ where I usually live we have massive schizo issues but I never expected there would be any in the old 40k threads I used to follow. Who gives a fuck what the terrain quality looks like lol I used to regularly play with whatever random shit I had around the house and would have a blast. One of my roommates what an ali express heirophant that couldn't support it's own weight and was therefore standing on 4 popsicle sticks we scotch taped on because the lets were broken and it was the terror of the house. The other roommate played orks and had a large retarded stuffed animal covered in random bits and toilet paper tubes that we used as a stompa sub because we didn't want to buy even a knockoff with how expensive they were. I feel like dogshit kitbashed terrain/models was half the fun are there actually people who get upset about shit terrain?

>>96060319
>>96060154
>>96059005
>>96058937 (OP)
Yes, I too saw that YouTube video from that British anime tranny

>>96102785
Let's not pretend 4th tournaments were not full of twin siren demon princes you couldn't damage Or 3rd ed, with 12 obliterators and 3 defilers on 1500 points tableing you on turn 2

>>96129354
>>UUH I HATE BALANCE! JUST LET ME LOSE!
FTFY. Last stands are badass.

>>96134195
>Who gives a fuck what the terrain quality looks like lol

That's the misconception. Kind of like fighting games, any other map that isn't Final Destination (equivalent in 40k being L-Shaped plastic sheets or buildings) is either banned or shunned. GW Tournaments are looking more and more like WarmaHorde events.

>>96135999
Who gives a fuck about tournaments I'm so confused. 99% of people I know don't give a shit about tournaments outside of using the winrates as a ballpark on faction power. Both my lgs have boxes of random terrain that don't match whatever goofy rules GW Tournaments have including my local warhammer licensed store. I've never even met a tourney fag and I've played probably 50-100 full matches between tts and in store/at home. I've never even vaguely heard of someone complaining about terrain.

>>96132935
>>96132951
>>96132961
SOVL

I miss my uni days doing classroomHammer during 7th edition

>>96114507
because apparently enough lorelets have been convinced that most of the fighting in 40k occurs in bombed out cities and that every planet worth fighting on in general is some hive/fortress/forge world
despite wh40k rulebooks encouraging players to get creative with their terrain since the early days

>>96125065
what flavor is that fuel tank
>captcha: YARRS

>>96061931
A Hammer map would look pretty cool on a table, and you could fluff it as a danger room/VR training simulation (or something similar, whatever works for your setting).

>>96136108
>Who gives a fuck about tournaments I'm so confused. 99% of people I know don't give a shit(...)

Your singular friend that you play slophammer with who cares a little (roughly 1%) about tournaments is not a good sample size.

>>96137165
It comes from movies tho. Something like Stalingrad is peak grimdarkness.

Years ago I broke some floor tiles from a hardware store and made little archways out of the shards. I liked how they looked but they didn't take primer well at all so I tossed them when I moved.

>>96058937 (OP)
Years ago I've played a game with an old friend of mine (he has died since). He has spend a year faithfully recreating a DoW skirmish map and even set of base buildings for every faction he'd play against regularly (down to the color scheme his friends used). I don't know what happened to his armies and terrain pieces, but I wouldn't put it past his obnoxious relatives to have binned all of it (oblivious to the fortune it has cost, in money and time).

>>96148803
Add.: For those wondering: he has turned his entire basement into a wargaming lair. Needless to say he preferred Apocalypse settings...

>>96134241
No one knows what you're talking about mate

>>96060338
>you will never give your life for the Emperor while defending the Pringles manufactorum on Kellanova IV.

>>96117927

Thanks for the heads up. I fucked that one.

>>96146459
sexy af

>>96143571
????????????????? I've played with dozens of people over the last 15 years what is this tranny nonsense I'm so fucking confused

bump

>>96058937 (OP)
Why can’t they just admit that true line of sight is fucking retarded?

Projection on a 2D plane. That’s the way to do it.

It’s what the defacto tournament rules for warmachine turned into despite not actually being the rule. That’s where they want the game to go. I don’t understand why they have to take this fuck around route just because the game has a history.

Yeah your rules fucking sucked for 20 years. That’s ok. You can stop having rules that suck and have good rules at any moment.

>>96136108
Lots of people enjoy tournaments. That’s what made warmachine as well. 40k could have a great tournament scene if its rules weren’t shit.

>Just accept shitty rules and buy it for the hobby side because that’s what I enjoy
Fuck off lol. It’s a game people want to play it.

>>96069240
This cant be an official tournament... The playmats and the cardboard walls are not even painted. So dead, sterile and souless.

>>96060359
...rrr ya fond uf mee lobster?.....

>>96069659
this is the most okay.
i mean.....he did paint 99.99 percent.

>>96163855
40k has shit rules because you need these terrain heavy predetermined board to preserve balance because the core rules are so lethal. 40k has never been worse in terms of rules because it was never as constrained as it is post 8th.

>>96163839
Because gentlemen's rules for line of sight to a significant part of the model (ie not targeting an opponent's mini because you can see a micrometer of a flowing tassel) is more based and healthy than autistic tournament faggotry.
If people want to play tryhard to the death games they should just play some hex based autism and leave 40k for people having fun.

>>96098106
>doxes
me thinks you don't know what that means
unless you've taken that picture and traced his facebook or something.

>>96111881
very sovlful
funny to do that and then also use the sector imperialis bases though

>>96098217
Dunno. If you want combat in a Waffle House, you can just go to an actual Waffle House.

>>96058937 (OP)
This is half the reason I quit. Everyone at my shop plays tournament trash because it's a big store that holds lots of events. I miss my buddy who had a great table at his place.

i love warhammer its such a cool game

>>96173411
>its such a cool game
it's...

>>96132935
>>96132951

I’ve got a 6x4 plank with some felt I got cheap from Joann’s when they closed near me. FDM printed roads and trenches, foam that me and my kids painted, and cardboard buildings have been a lot of fun making over the past few months.

Dose anyone have that picture from a 40k tournaments during 8th or 9th edition when Iron Hands where those most broken army in the game and it was two identical armies of repulsors squashed in corners

>>96180094
I like the felt color, it's like the perfect universal mat, fits forest, swamp, wasteland, city, medieval/fantasy shit, SF, 40k, whatever.

>>96127784
Fuel dump.
Weapon Emplacement
Dugouts
Barracks Huts
weapon or vehicle storage bunkers.
A pile of artillery shells.
HQ Section bunker with radios, antennas, desks etc.
Tanker trucks
Generators or Water Equipment
Large Radar
Gas Station
Watch Towers
Hesco Barriers

>>96182931
it looks like one of my blankets

>>96183058
NTA, but is there something like a huge list of small and large obstacles/pieces of terrain appropriate to specific locations? Something to take inspiration from when terrain-making strange mood strikes you.

>>96061931
I only dream to based enough to play DoD Source

>>96182931
Jack of all trades,.Master of none

>>96069512
I love this photo. Really captures the spirit of 40k. I'd rather play with these lads and their rocks than the cardboard tourneyfags

>>96183325
You want things like military field engineer guides to field emplacements and fortifications as references.
https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM5-15%2859%29.pdf
Wikipedia has a massive list of various things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fortifications

>>96111564
You might get the same results by getting some cotton wool balls from a pharmacy/supermarket bathroom-goods aisle and soaking them in something staining anon (food coloring, dye, ink, maybe kool aid though I'd be wary of mold, ironically.)

>>96183415
Except this doesn't work for non-historical context and what I wanted was just a list of lists like in the previous post, no explanation.

The field manual looks useful though, grabbed.

>>96111564
>>96183681
I don't have pics, but I've seen people use various kinds of pasta as underwater/alien plants to good effect. The above mold warning applies, prime that shit in something nice and toxic.

>>96183714
Found it:
https://germy.co.uk/terrain-and-scenery/pasta-plants/

>>96172780
This is literally what abstract LOS formalizes. Play another game, retard.

Some more jungle terrain.