I'll be honest, I can accept Half-Orcs, I can even get behind Half-Elves if they're rare but accepting the existence of Dhampirs is a hard pill to swallow, leaving beside the fact why Vampires would willingly consort with what they view as prey I am also a firm believer that immortality should come with tradeoffs, you want to live forever than you lose your ability to create new life, also the idea of a corpse that can impregnate/get pregnant just stretches believability, TL:DR Dhampirs make no logical sense and I hate them.

>why Vampires would willingly consort with what they view as prey
Same reason why some sub-species of human shag goats?

Dhampirs are a thing in actual vampire folklore and half-orcs and half-elves are just DND slop you dumb piece of shit.

Don't say a god damn thing about Elrond we both know that's not what you meant when you said half-elf

>>96060175 (OP)
It's just a way to justify having your cake and eating it to same way people might explain away half demon/devils.

>>96060197
Don't the Urak-Hai have human heritage?

>>96060175 (OP)
vampires are a pale imitation of life and seeks to recreate the human experience but they can't, their version of love is horrid and consumptive and the results are stunted and broken.
In the folklore* that vampires come from dhampirs are created very early in a vampire's career, when the buried corpse shambles up from his grave for one last night with his wife.

>>96060175 (OP)
Hybrid vigor is a real phenomenon, but otherwise I agree. It seems silly to have such an obvious powerful option at hand that has literally zero drawbacks. Why wouldn't a vampire just sire tons of Dhampir children, treat them well, and rule with an army that cannot be stopped by the sun and is even more powerful at night? To which you could say that Dhampir are exceeding rare and not guaranteed from every coupling. Maybe the pregnancy is too much strain for the human mother or the child is unlikely to survive to term or any number of things.

There's also the more obvious explanation and it's that Vampires are not human. More specifically, they do not necessarily think and act like humans. Their appetites and instincts make it incredibly hard for them to do something as intimate and restrained as lovemaking. Like >>96060220 implies, a vampire would sooner rip a woman to pieces than impregnate her safely and then let her live for 9 months, because violence is their nature.

>>96060208
Yeah, but DND half-orcs also have basically nothing in common with them.

Half-orcs in DND aren't magical crossbreeds stronger than their orc ancestors.

>>96060208
No, absolutely not. Saruman was also breeding mannish-looking orcs, which are completely separate, and may or may not actually be half-orcs. The uruk-hai are completely orc, but the movies conflate the two (and don't even address half-orcs except in the extended editions) which has led to some modern confusion.

>>96060197
Half-orcs are mentioned in LotR several times, in ways unrelated to the Uruk-hai. There's a half-orc in Bree in Fellowship, a few in Isengard in The Two Towers, and Saruman has a number of half-orcs under his command in the Shire during the Scouring.

>>96060197
I'm pretty sure Aragorn had children with his elven waifu

>>96060369
In Middle-Earth, the children of an elf and a human must choose one heritage or the other.

Men get to go to heaven when they die, elves are immortal unless killed but their ghosts have to hang out in the material world, back in Valinor IIRC, with a specific Valar, while waiting for the apocalypse.

You can't split the difference between immediately going to the afterlife and having to be a ghost until the world ends. Elrond is a half-elf. He's effectively just an elf, just like his twin brother Elros is effectively just a man.*

*Elros did live to be 500 but that was because he was a Numenorean.

>>96060330
Yes, but also as that anon mentioned OP is just sticking to DnD restrictions like it is some sort of cargo cult, not to Tolkien-canon. Which is funny because half-elf, half-orcs and other half races got eliminated from current DnD slop. In any case, Dhampirs have a good mythological background to exist in any game. If any, we need more vampire-centric games.

Dhampirs have their place in Eastern European vampire folklore and also in certain vampire fiction. Having said that, if you think they break immersion ("make no logical sense"), just ban them at your table

>>96060175 (OP)
Worldbuilding has its own general.

>>96060175 (OP)
>>96060943
5e has its own general.

Racemixing is cringe and I'm glad D&D got rid of it.

>suckflix gaypire

>>96060208
Uruk-Hai aren't exactly Half humans as much as they're orcs who are bugger and stronger thanks to Saruman breeding them to be taller and getting them to drink water from the "Grow Big and Strong River." that Merry and Pipin also drank from before also getting taller.

>>96060421
The choice is specifically given to half-elves descented from Luthien and Beren. The princes of Dol Amroth also descent from Numeronean man and elf woman Mithrellas, but they are all just men with some elven features that Legolas recognized in Imrahil.

>>96060175 (OP)
>leaving beside the fact why Vampires would willingly consort with what they view as prey
Vampires are the White American Protestant Females of the monster world.

>>96060175 (OP)
Didn't read, lol

Dhampires are great in narratives, especially if it's the one main big vampire and he has his dhampire son, and they have a rebellion/tragedy angle. They suck in settings and especially as rando player character options, unless you're specifically playing as very important fated characters that the world sort of revolves around.

Simply put, good for castlevania and D, bad for "my dungeon crawler character is a dhampire for the bonuses".

>>96060175 (OP)
Half-Orcs and Half-elves (the d&d kind, not the "actually just either an elf or a human" type from Tolkien) were always a retarded idea anyway.
But for all Half-Orcs, Half-Elves and Dhampirs, the reasoning is the same: horniness.
Some people like pulpy exploitative rape of human (and elven, I guess) women by disgusting orcs, some people like the idea of getting an immortal eternally youthful magical waifu/husbando while you're "just a human", some people like the idea of forbidden/dark romance implied by vampires fucking humans.
Of course, fucking doesn't need to involve pregnancies, but pregnancies make it clear that there was fucking involved without having to go out and say "they fucked".

As >>96062513 mentioned it's very story dependant but if I try to generalize dhampirs can go the VtM ghoul\revenant way - they have some vampire powers but cannot reach high tier bullshit powerlevels because their blood is too thin and vampire powers come from blood

>>96060192
Demon worship and inbreeding?

>>96062181
They aren't even originally his idea. Sauron had them first, his are just more bandy-legged.

>>96060175 (OP)
If your own mother doesn't care what you think, why should we?

>>96062561
I know the Welsh speak in tongues but I don't think that means they worship demons

>>96062181
>and getting them to drink water from the "Grow Big and Strong River."
Pure fanfic, this never happened.

>>96060175 (OP)
Your issue is you lack imagination and think the only way of creating a dhampir is through vampires having sex with humans. If you expand your mind a little bit more to include the possibility that vampirism might be more arcane than genetic, it opens the doors for alternative methods of dhampir creation.

>>96062762
except dhampirs are a thing outside ttrpgs and there they're also a result of fucking,

>>96062762
>Your issue is you lack imagination and think the only way of creating a dhampir is through vampires having sex with humans.
Yeah, because that's how the myth works, moron.

>>96062801
>>96062803
Again, you lack imagination. Most settings don't perfectly match folklore, and folklore itself isn't even standardised. Which means if you have a problem with something, the answer is this: use your imagination. Granted, that'll be difficult for you...

>>96060175 (OP)
You watched netflixslop made by a poojeet and written by a literal marvelfag who thinks characters saying FUCK makes them edgy and mature, your opinion is worth less than the greasy, espresso and energy drink-fueled shit I took this morning.

>>96060175 (OP)
I think the big thing you are having problems with when it comes to making Dhampirs is the sex part. As yes a undead monster making life thru traditional reproduction breaks believability in story's.

But what you all are not thinking about is the Blade method of making Dhampirs. Just have it so that a vary pregnant woman was attacked and turned by a vampire just like Blades mother was before he was born. That way you get a living being with the powers of a vampire and it makes somewhat sense as to how it works.

>>96062865
>he doesn't know the Blade film is 15 years older than him and made by an English director and American writer, at a time when Netflix didn't even exist
Stinks of summer in here.

>>96062865
A few problems: Blade is literally a Marvel character, the movie came out in 1998, and you're too young to post here summerfag.

>>96060254
>Hybrid vigor is a real phenomenon
So is outbreeding depression. Hybrid vigor corrects genetic problems caused by inbreeding

>>96062890
>>96063028
Guys, I think he's talking about the Castlevania image that OP posted. Not his image of Blade.

Although not sure why people would especially hate Castlevania. It's not Citizen Kane or anything, but the characters are relatively likable, the setting is well done, and the animation is pretty great in the action sequences.
The dialogue is pretty heavy on profanity I guess, but it doesn't feel especially forced or out of place to me.
(With the exception of perhaps one notable character)

Although frankly Castlevania gets a pass from me for being western adult animation that isn't a sitcom, doesn't look intentionally ugly, and actually covers some mature themes.

But I've gone completely off-topic at this point.

Anyway Dhampirs are interestingly and as others have pointed out work a lot better as part of a narrative rather than a random group of assholes that are dungeon diving.
Can be a decent choice for something narratively focused and Gothic horror themed, but for generic fantasy world #2964 probably not the most thematic choice.
Not sure I agree with the argument that it seems unbelievable that a vampire could love a human, considering humans raise and love prey species all the time. Which is a bit different but there's parallels there.
The whole corpse thing is a separate problem, but is usually handwaved by vampires being more alive the more fed they are or vampires not actually being undead and being more like a kind of mystical or evolved creature that's undead-esque.
And that's without including the various possible magical explanations and only considering sexy ones.

>>96060421
>*Elros did live to be 500 but that was because he was a Numenorean.
Elros was granted an especially long life, even when compared to other Númenóreans, and his descendants usually lived for around 400 years, which was still longer than other Númenóreans

>>96062820
Imagination is easy, but
>Here are my elves! They have huge beards, long claws, can develop psionic powers, have three eyes and lizard like tails!
>Uhh did you say elves?
>Yes this is what they're like in my setting.
Will always be gay and still default to fags making the elves pointy eared magical snobs.

>>96063197
As many have said countless times, the first season is fine, at best, the rest are garbage. Adi Shankar is a talentless faggot hack who doesn't understand any of the series he somehow keeps getting his hands on.

>>96063339
>the only way imagination works is to slam a load of completely unrelated ideas together
This is how I know you don't know the difference between imagination and randomness.

>>96063485
Frankly I've haven't finished the show yet.
I watched the first seasons when it came out and put it on the perpetual back burner and only got back to watching it recently.

Frankly I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable about the games themselves so I can't state anything confidently about the adaptation's accuracy which is probably a problem for more dedicated fans of the original series.
So I understand that.

As for the producer I don't really care. He likes to slap his name on stuff I guess, but from everything I've read his involvement is minimal and most of the writing was done by Warren Ellis. (Who has his own problems apparently, but I basically entirely tune out celebrity drama. It's bad for the brain imo)

>>96060175 (OP)
In folklore, dhampirs are a result of a freshly risen male vampire coming back to his now widowed wife and having sex for the sake of knocking the wife up.
Dunno why it's like that. My headcanon is that male vampires do it due to lingering regrets that they didn't manage to establish a family in life.
The result is a dhampir that doesn't have any of the abilities and powers of a vampire, but are pale.
Sure, this is an explanation on cheating wives and how they pop-out kids despite their husbands dying without having sex with them.

In case of the fantasy thing? We could do so that for all their immortality vampires don't feel truly alive, yet at the same time they are not your normal undead. They are only alive when they drink blood. For me, vampires are like viruses. They are between a state of death and life and they only come to life when they come in contact with life itself or something that will make them alive again (in this case blood).

Blood is power. Blood IS life. An in case of vampires it is the source of their immortality. It makes them go back to being alive and mimic life itself. And this is where it goes...

Before a vampire drinks blood, they are in a state of death like any undead. But when they drink blood, their physiology actually reactivates their bodily functions and rejuvenates them. So much so that they can enjoy life again, taste food...and enjoy carnal pleasures. The life mimicry goes to the point that they can conceive and bear life. Though female vampires have it harder. The males simply pump and that's all. Females however act like other pregnant women, but it's much worse.
Why? Because mommy here is a superhuman lamprey that needs to suck a whole city dry of blood to keep the pregnancy going...with mood swings of epic proportions.

>>96063197
People don't hate Castlevania. People hate the abomination Adi Shakar shat out. Just as much if not more than the DMC show of his that makes even less sense.

If humans can become vampires, shouldn't that mean vampires are able to become human again?

>>96064290
Vampires are dead, so no in traditional folklore.
In Castlevania, yes, it happens in Portrait of Ruin.

>>96060175 (OP)
Vampires don't think "bluh bluh bluh vampires rule, humans suck", they're just huuumans who got back from the grave with an undead condition. And arguably with something wrong for a soul, but the memory is there.

The part about them having babies is more difficult, but they're already undead to begin with, so eh. Magic.

>>96065207
>they're just huuumans

Who wish to pay me tribute!

>>96060175 (OP)
For me, it's the pseudo-undead from 1e.

>>96063792
>As for the producer I don't really care. He likes to slap his name on stuff I guess
He's responsible for a lot of the creative input, but all of his shows are actually written Ellis, like you've said. Shankar is more of a glory hog, but he's not devoid of responsibility for how these shows come out, and the astoundingly stupid ideas that go into them. Shankar gets the rights and overhypes himself, while Ellis writes the actual scripts, and puts Shankar's retarded ideas into these shows, and by their faggotry combined, we get some of the worst bullshit ever animated.

>>96060175 (OP)
Dhampirs are the result of young vampires, not old ones. Old vampires, as you say, would treat humans as little more than pets, cattle, slaves.
But a young vampire was, until recently, a human. They have gained supernatural powers and a maddening thirst for blood, but the humanity within them has not yet had time to wither. They still have living family and friends, attachments to their mortal life, from before their death. And as they feel their humanity slipping away, they will cling to those attachments all the more desperately. When they lose them for the first time, they will naturally attempt to replace them.
Dhampirs are the result of vampires still trying to hold onto some kind of human notion of family, even though its a doomed venture. Still trying to take half-measures, like "I only drain bad people, I'm not a murderer" or "my thrall loves me, and I love her. She isn't just a blood bank for me, she's my wife". Age will rob them of these illusions if sunlight or silver doesn't destroy them first, but before that happens they can sire children and give rise to dhampirs.

>>96064290
Yes, but only if the vampire has their blood drained, is bitten by the pope who sucks out the foulness from their veins, and then is fed the blood of christ in an act of communion.

It can be done, but for obvious reasons it basically never happens. It requires the vampire in question to give themselves up willingly and for the pope to accept the risk of doing so instead of merely having the creature destroyed, trying to do this a captured and struggling vampire would be nearly impossible.

>>96060330
Isnt the squint eyed southerner in Bree actually a human Dunlending with "Orcish blood" who was banished from his tribe because they found out he had Orcish ancestry?

>>96060175 (OP)
>Dhampirs make no logical sense
Nothing about fantasy or supernatural makes sense. It's all make believe stories anyway, anyone is free to add their own variation of it.

>>96060175 (OP)
>also the idea of a corpse that can impregnate/get pregnant just stretches believability

Vampires have always been more life-like than other undead, including needing to eat and sleep. They bleed when you cut them, and heal over time. They don't rot. They may have a cursed form of immortality, but its disengenious to call them a 'corpse' in the same way that a zombie or a skeleton is.

>>96060175 (OP)
So if humans can breed with orcs and elves, does that mean humans are the missing link?

>>96066999
No, because evolution doesn't exist in fantasy settings unless explicitly stated otherwise.

>>96067039
Surely it's the other way around, since all fantasy settings are presumed to be like ours unless stated otherwise.

>>96060175 (OP)
Dhampirs aren't even remotely common though and thus not comparable to half-elves and equivalents, they're rarities and aberrations however they come about. Besides which, Vampires already have truckloads of weaknesses and caveats to their immortality for you to choose from. Also, undead began as a term to describe something that is neither alive nor dead. The vast majority of depictions of vampires have them be among the least corpse-like of all the undead and unlike a majority of things given to the modern conception of vampire, Dhampirs actually have a folklore basis.

You seem to have a very specific idea of what a vampire is supposed to be, in which dhampirs don't fit. That's fine, but it's not like any of your problems with dhampir are fundamental to the concept

The problem with half-vampires is the implication vampires are thus a race on their own. Rather than something like an infection (magical or otherwise). Which, yes, in some versions of vampires they are a race. Though that version of things calls in to question too much else. Imagine you turn black if a nigga bit you. That's kind of wack.

>>96067121
Not necessarily. Carriers can exist for diseases, a dhampire could simply be the vampiric equivalent of a carrier, thus making them "half-vampires".

Where did this notion of people getting turned into vampires and then immediately ceasing to identify as a human come from? It has always struck me as silly. You're a human, you've been one all your life, then you get the bad suck and now you need to drink blood, avoid the sun, and have cool new powers. Sure you gotta bite a neck now and again but what kind of retard immediately starts calling their former friends, family, and neighbors cattle, animals, etc. I find it especially silly in fantasy settings where it's not at all uncommon to find people with magic powers.

>>96067131
That would just make them humans that accidentally infect others, though?

>>96067146
>Sure you gotta bite a neck now and again but what kind of retard immediately starts calling their former friends, family, and neighbors cattle, animals, etc.
Probably the ones that always hoped this would happen to them.

>>96067165
Many diseases result in carriers who show some but not all symptoms of said disease.

>>96062365
So they support human rights while living in a fully vampire society and being the least likely to make any dhampires?

>>96064290
In a way. Kill a vampire and their spirit is free and their body decays. In that way they're just like most humans who ever lived

>>96067146
I mean the idea of vampirism as a disease is actually younger than most of the legends. The earliest stuff you died and then became a vampire making you "not yourself" and transitioning into a soulless monster.
So they're more like monsters that just look like you, rather than being you. This is a pretty rough overview though as there's a lot of different creatures that can be described as vampiric so it's hard to have a sort of unifying idea.

The vampire of modern fiction is a more tragic figure generally and usually does try to answer your question. The most common answer is usually age and disconnection from humans.
Freshly turned vampires try to maintain their humanity as best they can, but over time as their friends and family die and they're forced to feed over and over again to continue living they become less human and more inclined to see people as just a source of food.

But that's just my understanding of it.

>>96065976
Tribute?! You steal goth girls and make them your waifus!

>>96067146
As usual, I'll just blame Anne Rice and then that one gay RPG.

>>96067131
>>96067217
I think I remember some lore about dhampires being doomed to turn into full vampires when they die.

>>96068167
Werewolves are commonly said to turn into vampires upon death, so it's not too much of a stretch to assume the same for a dhampir.

I had no idea Dhampirs were an actual thing in folklore, I just thought it was something made up by edgy teenagers who wanted all the benefits of being a vampire without any of the drawbacks.

>>96068596
Typical D&Done consumer.

>>96068596
A shocking amount of stuff that gets dismissed as being too anime, coomer, edgy, or whatever other buzzword they want to dismiss something with. actually has roots in folklore or classical mythology.

Not saying all of it's actually good or usable just because it's old, but people are really quick to dismiss stuff without even considering the possibilities sometimes.

The classic homunculus was made with semen, monstergirl wives are everywhere in folklore, ridiculous feats are like the domain of classical heroes to the point where teleporting behind would be blase, edgy stuff like drinking blood or pointless sadism is everywhere too.

Folklore and Mythology is so wild and interesting. Although I'm getting off topic.

>>96064626
>In Castlevania, yes, it happens in Portrait of Ruin.
It was on a timelimit.

>>96063197
>Although frankly Castlevania gets a pass from me for being western adult animation that isn't a sitcom, doesn't look intentionally ugly, and actually covers some mature themes.
It is honestly dogshit.

>>96060175 (OP)
I'm very particular about vampires because they can often become just super powered redditors. The problem with vampires is that they are the easiest form of immortality.

It is the same problem with "good" necromancers. Necromancy breaks the setting and it is supposed to do that. Making it morally neutral ruins what makes it cool because neither you have nerf it or make retarded edgy Mary sues like picrel.

>>96068119
Perhaps the same could be said of all popular Netflix shows...

>>96060175 (OP)
>Can't imagine people fucking lesser creatures.
You've never met a white woman.

>>96060175 (OP)
>Cursed undead whose entire shtick is that they are parasites that feed off of the living
>Can produce viable offspring

I don't think the issue with Dhampirs is anything psychological, but that they're treated as a race instead of a disease which is insane.

>>96062513
>>96062538
Should be noted those two prominment examples of Dhampirs, Alucard and D, are both in setting an exception with how powerful they are. Daddy Dracula is basically a god in both and beyond that a good deal of their powers come from things outside their heritage. Alucard with his magic and weaponry and D with whatever other mutant expirements it is implied happened to him and the Left Hand.

Basically Dhampir have the issue that when people think of them they think of these super powerful characters and not what an actual average Dhampir is in setting.

>>96068596
Sadly, this is often the case for the younger generation. Ignorance of folklore and myth, combined with over-reliance and veneration of mainstream trash like dnd or warcraft results in surprise at the most entry-level of concepts.

But you were willing to at least admit it, so you're already on your journey to self-betterment.

Dhampirs just reek of OC Donut Steel material. I don't care if there's pre-existing folklore, it's just cringe to have a vampire have a special kid. They're dead. They should only be able to "breed" through more death, making more vampires.

A vampire siring a son is pretty kino if you write it correctly. The term Dhampir is fucking gay

>>96070634
The Alucard Sword is actually a family heirloom from his mother's side. Honestly, vampires are treated as inherently bad in Castlevania. However, I think that it is implied that vampires are so strong in the setting because humans are so strong. Most of the playable characters in Castlevania are just dudes. Also unlike other games, there aren't nameless vampire NPCs. The number of actual vampires in the series is quite small.

>>96063868
>mommy here is a superhuman lamprey that needs to suck a whole city dry of blood to keep the pregnancy going
That's hot

>>96070810
>The term Dhampir is fucking gay
A yank confused by linguistics. Colour me surprised.

>>96060175 (OP)
>the idea of a corpse that can impregnate/get pregnant just stretches believability
Yes, A Vampire.
Despite being dead, their eyes work, their ears work, their limbs work, their muscles work, they can often bleed, they can heal, in fact, they seem to display basically every function a living person does, with slight exceptions (some versions eat, some don't), but almost everything they do doesn't quite make sense for a corpse.
But despite being able to do basically everything a living person can do, them doing one other thing a living person can do, that's beyond the pale. Just impossible.

>>96062890
>>96063028
Holy shit, how does one miss the point of a post this hard?

>>96063197
>Although not sure why people would especially hate Castlevania
Well lets see
>completely fails to be about Castlevania
>completely rewrites the plot of Castlevania
>turns the church into regressive, self-serving, technology-hating retards when they were an innovative force for good in Castlevania
>makes Death speak like an edgy zoomer instead of his normal eloquent, theatrical affair
>turns Dracula into a misunderstood, whiny dindu instead of a threatening embodiment of evil
>turns Belmont into a spineless, drunken cuck
And the director thinks he "saved" Castlevania by doing all this. The only way anyone wpuld have anything positove to say about Jeetslopvania is if they had no connection to the source material and also completely lacked taste.

>>96071184
The Belmont clan is, at least, a family of Chosen Ones, though. Depending on the continuity, there's some vampire blood in there.

>>96070634
Figure since 98, lots of people just think of Blade.

>>96069309
That happened to me a lot. Several D&D 3e monsters had me going "why are they making up random monsters with stupid names instead of including more iconic stuff", and it was like, a celtic monster or something from 1e.

And the whole isekai harem trope? Three Hearts And Three Lions, which inspired a lot of D&D, did that.

>>96060175 (OP)
dhampir sounds like it's a fucking donkey or some farm animal

>>96064626
>>96069464
It also happened in 64. Granted, it happened in the story through the will of God. So it seems there it's impossible for man to do it on his own.

>>96072109
I would be entirely ambivalent on Netflixvania if it was just its own show. I don't think I'd like it mind you, but I wouldn't care. I really hate this practice of taking an existing story and using it as a skinsuit to give an unrelated story legitimacy.

>>96062762
Vorlogs from Ravenloft are basically dhampyrs if they were also serial killing sexual abusers, I guess...