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>>96063000 (OP)
Fuck, was just going through old folders and found the unified ship design overhaul I was working on like 5+ years ago.
Guess it's going back on the "actually work on this year" pile

>>96063030
May I see it, if that's alright?

>>96063062
I'll have to rummage the archives to see if I can find the last uploaded WIP packet I put here, all I currently have are a bunch of loose word files. gimme a minute.
I could probably explain the rough outline faster, if you want

>>96063062
the hairs on your arms should stand up in terror.
apparently the only way 4chan will allow me to upload the 2018 vintage PDF is screenshotted as a giant BMP
fortunately I was only 8 pages in
also, modern PDF editiors have a seizure trying to open it

>>96063172
There is something uniquely early 90's FASA about all this.

>>96063172
You can share it via a site like pdfupload.io

>>96063557
I'm getting more self-published late 80s-mid-90s /hwg/ sold as a half-size booklet with a blue cardstock cover that *might* have a small print on it

Looks like the TRO rerelease might include 3026 as well?

>>96064045

current WIPs

>>96064458
You already posted this.

Leave the infantry blobs to me!

Is there a place for defensive systems besides AMS? Like a chaff system that won't explode but has fewer uses, variants like that.

>>96064045
The Swiftwind was in the original TRO 3025. The table of contents called it a "light scout" but the actual page calls it the Swiftwind.

>>96065044
I think there'd be an interesting tactical niche for a sort of one-or-few shot laser defence chaff-type system, if just because it would make laser spam less of a no-brainer

>>96065044
There's a DA AMS variant that can actually intercept all missile flights passing through its hex range.
Also shields as handheld weapons, maybe?

>>96065044
it's too bad that reactive armor is already a canonical and terrible armor type, because something that comes in one-shot pods but can basically no-sell a ballistic hit X times each could be an interesting way to counteract gauss supremacy while incidentally giving small autocannon an additional niche job

>>96065169
That should be how all AMS works, and they should stack.

>>96065206
Ultra/lbx would have a field day with that.

>>96065044
We've got laser AMS, APDS (super AMS), Blue Shield. There's no separate system for lasers or ballistic yet.

>>96065138
Maybe an SRM alternate ammo, If you choose to use that launcher defensively you roll on the cluster table to see how much of a to-hit penalty laser attacks from your forward arc take, applying to both yours and the enemy shots.

>>96065044
Vehicular Grenade Launchers basically can be used to pop smoke though for what you get basically better off spending the tonnage on a missile launcher if going to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA3d6aOzN80
How costly those CGI actually are?
PGI could afford to make 1, 5 hour of them for DLC alone.

>>96065222
ultra being a good way to deal with it seems a good idea, it would promote ultras other than the 20. giving it an caveat excluding LBX buck would probably be a good idea, though. could fluff it as needing a combo of significant mass and velocity to set off, and since LBX pellets are canonically submunitions airbursting just in front of the target, one could easily say that's why they don't trigger the reactive pods, none of the shrapnel has the necessary momentum behind it, individually

>>96065264
>giving the jumping tcomp pulse boat a -6 to hit for 15 turns in a row for only 4 tons.
Actually might be worth taking on mechs with only a single ton of ammo. I'd say it shouldn't work on PPCs.

>>96065309
In engine cutscenes in the UE5? Not as much as you'd think.

Ballistics need all the help they can get, there shouldn't be any additional defense against them.

Should I paint my Crud in Lyran Guards or Marik Militia colors /btg/?

>>96065441
Marik Militia, of course.

>>96064762
nta but someone has to post models in these shit threads

>>96065441
>Crud
wtf is this

>>96065784
Nickname fir a Crusader

>>96065822
lol thanks for answering

>>96065746
Anon could have at least made some amount of progress on them in the past 24 hours.

>>96065784
Crud is a popular player nickname for the Crusader. It got that name because of its designation of: “CRD-__”

>>96065937
Also because it's not exactly a good mech.

>>96065881
Taurian painter here, I just reposted because they were ignored last thread.

>>96065954
Well that certainly helped the name stick.

>>96065971
I honestly missed them last thread. Are you planning any other themes?

>>96066030
I am working on some Canopian Cuirassiers, you can see the Valk in the pic but the rest if the lance is a Shad, PHawk, and Marauder.
After that, planning on doing Liao and Marik lances.

>>96065954
The Crusader is a perfectly adequate mech when its ammo isn't exploding.

>>96066056
Neat.
Any plans to fill out all the Periphery nations at some point?

>>96066087
If so, maybe just another lance each — not sure what mechs I would pick however. Open to suggestions, so long as they’re in plastic.

>>96066068
And how often is its ammo not exploding?

>>96066170
The heavy recon lance I've thought would make a good Periphery bunch in my opinion. Problem I think is getting it.

>>96066275
the one with the Charger?

>>96065860
Np. Most of the older chassis have nicknames;
>Beemer - Battlemaster
>Thud - Thunderbolt
>Shad/Shadman - Shadowhawk
>Glaug - Marauder
There's also less formal ones like the Ostsol being known as "pimp" and the Bugs being, well, Bugs (or "WTF RAT's this is bull").

>>96065971
How do you feel about the upcoming mass incendiary warcriming of your home planet? Any comments or thoughts?

>>96065954
It's not a bad mech, and the variants are mostly pretty solid. Then you go into the later eras and Krazy Kat orders Defiance to shoehorn a Heavy Gauss into it whilst the Cappies saw off the missile tubes for Plasma Rifles. But those aside, the later models are mostly solid.

>>96066204
Well… see that’s the thing of it.
Because in a typical Crud configuration the left torso only has one critical slot, and it’s the LRM ammo, and they typically don’t have case. So however often one gets critical hits to the left torso is how often a Crud tends to explode

>>96066278
and Merlin

>>96063172
Sweet zombie jesus. Are PDFs still disabled?

>>96066290
>Glaug - Marauder
What’s the story there? Because the mech’s model designation is MAD-**

>>96066327
Easier to disabled pdfs rather than fix the issue.

>>96066364
The more common nickname is Mad. Glaug is the Macross name for the unit. Also it's Pimpsol not pimp.

>>96066477
Everyone underestimates the Dong.

>>96066290
> Shadman - Shadowhawk
Now you are just pulling our leg

>>96066290
also

>whale direwhale, direwolf
>sadcat, or scat shadow cat
>timby, timbs, tims Obvious.
>ice fridge Ice Ferret
>onion Orion
>adder anything that resembles an adder; cougar, pouncer, etc.

>In the distance, the garrison commander sees what looks to be a Centurion approaching.
>He readies his units, for they're only infantry, armor, and three helicopters, and prepares to defend.
>He sees, however, the Centurion getting bigger.
>Taller.
>What is... Oh Good God...
>Its four Centurions stacked ontop of eachother!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6rvREawbkI
>All those fucking lasers.

>>96066477
Calling the Men Shen a Magpie and not the Mensh doesnt fit with any of that

>>96066290
>>96066364
Ive never heard anyone call it a glaug as a nickname in all my years outside of them saying where the design was sourced from

>>96066684
>Explicit Omni Raven not being a Magpie
Que?

>>96066535
No, no, it’s true.
The Shadowhawk’s models have the prefix “SHD”, which would get pronounced “Shad” if one were to try and say it as a word. Plus the fact that the Shadowhawk is a painfully mediocre mech reinforces the unflattering nickname in player’s minds

>>96066302
I have that box for sure

>>96066817
It's pronounced
>Shad
in greentext.

>>96063030
>unified ship design overhaul
You mean "TRO 2750"?

>>96066698
Same.

>>96066817
>>96066958
>tell me your secrets, Shad
"The serrations atop a medieval castle wall are called "Crinolines" "

>>96067408
I don't think that's right...

the Shadow Hawk is one of the best looking mechs in all of BT

>>96067564
I like its original incarnation and its recent CGL redesign, but as someone who usually doesn't have strong opinions on PGI redesigns, they completely missed the mark with their Shad.

>>96067408
>"Don't overuse Chromatic Abberation."

>>96067564
Which one?

>>96066477
I would love to see a Jinggau design that doesn't look like a penis

You think with all the recent shit with 30k, we'll get more refugees here?

>>96066477
What a dogshit font.

>>96067807
I generally don't think of warhammer at all.

>>96067468
The Shad only speaks almost truths.

>>96067468
The Shad is middling, after all.

>>96067807
>>96067839
In any case, the Warhammer should be called "Tomahawk" again.

>>96067960
Better alternative: stop making Warhammers and increase production of Hammerhands in their place.

>Slaps a broken, busted, and half destroyed Warhammer to a prospective junkyard.
>"Ya want it? 40K!"

>>96067996
>prospective junkyard.
Jesus fuck I'm exhausted, my pun makes no sense.

There should be a Warhammer variant WHM-40k and it's dogshit and incredibly expensive

>>96066327
>Are PDFs still disabled?
well, that would explain some of it. I've been away a while, huh.
>>96067076
nah, a completely different design system, 0% compatibility with existing TROs

>>96068136
The whole shut down was caused by PDFs. Someone managed to hide a few bugs and such inside them and bam. The Blackout.

>>96068159
ah. I kind of missed that whole thing

>>96068159
Even better, the site has no verification that a PDF is actually a PDF, so they made some kind of executive override virus, ran it through a conversion program so that its file type became .PDF, and then uploaded it. Server took it at face value and the hackers took control.

>>96068169
When 4Chan shut down, several folk went over to the other Chan, the moe one, but they havent posted in literally months.

>>96068186
I been gone from like late 2020 to early this year. Seems like I missed a lot, but not sure if any of it was of value. any neat projects in that time?

>>96068185
masterfully retarded, exactly what I'd expect

>>96067789
I don't know what your penis looks like...

>>96068275
Well every month there's been a guy who comes on and makes a team battle of 12 v 12. Davion Femboys vs Kuritan Rejects and we all pitch in for characters, stats, Mechs, etc. and he duels them on megamek with screenshots. Someone graces us with sick Plog art they commissioned. There's that one guy that has fanfiction of a yandere Blakist girl and a civilian she clings too. Nothing too much.

>>96068052

>>96068364
>Not one, but TWO RISC Hyper Lasers.
Oh yeah. This would make a perfect titan scout.

>>96068052
>>96068364
It needs more PPCs (it's a K variant).

Can you add capacitors to SNPPCs?

>>96068364
Now it matches the Warhammer loadout.

To the guy who left around 20, what brought you back? Did you leave /tg/ or Battletech all around?

>>96068364
>>96068444
I do appreciate that it shuts down immediately on an alpha strike

>>96068842
Warhammer 40k players are accustomed to letting the enemy shoot them for a full turn before they return fire.

>>96068275
I made Instant Action in that time frame, partly with /btg/ input. It's a scenario pack for pickup play at the LGS.

https://victorypointproductions.neocities.org/instantaction

>>96068925
Instant Action Anon made this.
A lotta stuff happened that was pretty neat.

>>96068406
Yes.

>>96069010
Yeah, I post with my name off more often than on.

Who is playing battletech this weekend? Tell us about it.

Clan Widowmaker may be the actual best Clan of all time

>>96069369
killed nicholas and then immediately died?

>>96069244
Monday will be week two of my 3025 themed mini campaign. Two simultaneous battles. One will be an urban battle for attrition. The other will be an ambush centered on an artillery piece that's bombarding the urban battle.

Should be pretty cool.

>>96069431
Pretty good run.

>>96069431
>killed Nicholas
that is more and better than any other Clan has achieved

>>96069244
Got a game lined up with my brother for Sunday morning. He’s new-ish to tabletop so I’ve got a bunch of pre-built forces for different instant action scenarios that he can pick from, so he doesn’t have to learn how to build his own lance/star yet. I haven’t nailed down my own force yet, though I’m thinking of running the “salvage” objective with:

>Black Python 4
>War Crow B
>Stormcrow C or Prime
>2x Enhanced Sylph squads

Might switch out that War Crow since I don’t know if I want to introduce him to ferro-lam armor yet, but 5/8/5 heavy Omni with hand(s) is pretty hard to come by, so I’m not exactly flush with options.

>>96069549
I would recommend sticking to 2v2s on a single mapsheet for learning games, 3000 BV per side.

>>96069570
By new-ish I mean we’ve already done a handful of 1v1 or 2v2 games, last time we were on one of the Tukayyid maps with 4 mechs each. I just mean that he hasn’t dug into the whole tabletop roster yet so he doesn’t know what mechs are good on the table, but he’s familiar with everything from Mechwarrior 3/4/5/Online.

>>96068275
>any neat projects in that time?
We don't do projects anymore here. They get shitposted to death. Ask NEA.

>>96063000 (OP)
>like warships
>IP holders so incompetent that they have to remove them entirely
Fucking FASA.

>>96066068
So 1% of the time?

>>96069753

FASA had nothing to do with it, and no one "had" to do anything.

The line dev hated WarShips, so he removed them. This began under FanPro and finished under CGL.

>>96069753
>>96069817
Does anyone care if there's a big dumb "uh they all went away!" addition in the later parts of the timeline no one gives a fuck about? I mean you can already just ignore bad fluff, but bad fluff in a bad later era no one plays? Just do a star wars and ignore anything written by disney, this notion that you can "buy canon" and everyone has to go along is stupid.

>>96069753
>>96069817
>>96069887

Little loreletts. That's a DA Wizkids decision. Read the novels, bros. Even then, the DA had each Successor State with 3-5 warships and clanners with way more.

Now if you're imagining Star League era mega fleets with defined roles instead of a single Warship being a Dark Souls Boss then you can get your head examined.

>>96069942
>dork age
>completely ignores the Succession Wars
Typical.

>>96070009
>Whining that lostech is lostech
Cry harder.

>>96070078
Most lostech stops being lostech before the clans even invade the inner sphere.

>>96070105
>CGL tech rollout retcons
>When whining about CGL warship shit.
Kek.

>>96070078
>the de facto benchmark of a fucking nation
>LosTech
Hey stupid, there is absolutely ZERO reason for warships to be extinct, Cumstar or no. If anything each House would have a handful of WarShips in their core territories which explains why the status quo stayed for so long.
>start invasion
>enemy warship shows up
>OH FUCK RETREAT
>rinse and repeat

>>96070190
>cgl
>Helm Memory Core
Wut.

>>96063000 (OP)
Just tell us what armored vehicles the battlemechs correspond to you American swine! Do you think we do not know you Battletech to disguise your troop movements?

>>96070207
Helm got you limited stuff in the 4th War like freezers. Major rollout was in the invasion with the refit kits in 3052. All the "AKSHUALLY, PULSE LASERS WERE AVAILABLE IN THE 3040's" is CGL retcon bullshit.

>>96070218
>over 9000 Russian battlemechs destroyed
Russia is just running around with Arbiters and Quickcell trash now lol.

>>96070202
>there is absolutely ZERO reason for warships to be extinct,

You mean except for how it happened in canon where they were so powerful that fleets just kept smashing against each other until none were left? Or maybe about how massed ASF absolutely bodies them both in canon and on the table?

>>96070240
>small and medium pulse lasers
Yeah, so?

>>96070272
>Head of state in 3052 goes "wow, so these are those new fangled pulse lasers"
>No, they were really there when you were having your first wank, your highness

Haha, no.

>>96070249
>massed ASF
Only with nukes. Barracuda's and flak belts will kill most fighters before they can do anything.

>>96070284
>Davions
To be fair they ARE pretty stupid, unfortunately they have enough plot armor to offset this.

>>96070285
Most point defenses on old Warships are shit, and they're extra garbage against even regular squadrons.

Try using squadron rules sometime, bub.

>>96070294
>squadron rules
Ewwwwwwwww

>>96070301
It's default Battlespace rules. BOW BEFORE THE ASF SUPREMACY!

Has anyone here ever played Amaris Civil War?
What are iconic lances for the SLDF and Amaris Dragoons circa 2770?

>>96070304
>ASF rules
Ah yes, the rules that if applied to anything else will completely break the game. I too want 12 hex medium range as standard.

>>96070319
We call them motherfuckers "Knights of the Void" and the "Battlemechs of Space" for a reason. Space dildos ain't got a prayer against that.

Will these motherfuckers ever reprint the rulebooks for that God damn game?

>>96068723
Family and health stuff that I'd be crazy to go into here, but suffice to say at one point they basically replaced my blood. Also, post quality had deteriorated significantly and I was just tired. Doing a lot better now and can finally spare the effort to put up with this shitsite again. Kinda missed it.
>>96068330
That all seems neat, might have to catch up on it
>>96068925
Just skimming it, seems like a great resource

>>96070305
Here’s what I am thinking:
SLDF
>King Crab KGC-000
>Cyclops CP-10-Z
>Longbow LGB-7Q
>Black Knight BL-6-KNT
Amaris Dragoons
>Highlander HGN-732
>Stalker STK-3F
>Thug THG-11E
>Orion ON1-K

>>96070584
Seems very basic for both.

Amaris Dragoons tend to be very well equipped so I'd legit consider adding a "b" onto the end of some of those mech designations you got for them and you got something more in line with what they may have access to.

SLDF also tend to all run the same mech per company nevermind lance so a SLDF lance would legit all be King Crabs or all Cyclops or all Longbows etc. Having a mixed lance in the SLDF is extremely rare.

>>96070207
Originally, Helm stuff was just barely reaching mass production in 3048. A major plot point in the Invasion is the desperate need for ERLLs from the FWL. 3050 variants are uneven and retarded, with things like upgrading to ERPPCs without DHS to represent the highly limited supplies of things.

Then CGL says "actually everyone had DHS in 3039!"

>>96070670
Whilst it's true the SLDF ran homogeneous formations after the RWR Campaign, with less access to replacements and battlefield losses, it was more common for the SLDF to run mixed lances

>>96070330
>Space dildos ain't got a prayer against that.

Star League (and thus Clan) WarShips have little point defense because they were designed to be part of an integrated squadron. A WarShip like the upgraded Leviathan can defeat hilarious numbers of ASFs.

>>96070697
I am thinking this project will represent late ACW, plus I don’t think SLDF having all of the same mech would be as fun.
I plan to give each side some vehicles as well.

>>96070691
>DHS
Weren't those the ones that you could mix and match with SHS and used short lived components? Honestly even with this being the case DHS on the tabletop is still a DHS.
>dhs in engines
This is honestly one of the dumbest things in the rules, you're telling me that 10 single heat sinks can only fit yet you can do the same with things that are x2 to x3 times as bulky?

>>96070691
>ERLL
Inner Sphere ERLL's are honestly fucking terrible, their heat shouldn't go over 9. Their lore is also really fucking retarded.
>how do I shot laser
>just shoot it harder
There is absolutely no fucking reason for that to ever become LosTech, it's just a fucking large laser with more fucking juice behind it. A real LosTech LL heat should be the exact same as a large laser, explained by the adaptive lenses and enhanced efficiency. And don't get me started on pulse lasers.

>>96067807
Shit in 30k? What's gw done now,

Hows Battletech Override?

>>96071021
Are you gay?

>>96065407
Then why waste money on games instead of animated shows?

>>96071021
Pretty fucking based, though you do need a referee or play for fun rather than being a gremlin.
>>96071032
>nooooo you have to take 3 hours per match!
Fuck off.

>>96071010
3rd edition of HH seems to be abominable dogshit for basically everyone. Even if you don't care about 40k (or 30k) the threads have been pretty entertaining.

>>96071021
Bit more granular than CAV

>>96071036
A Battletech cartoon
>little to no reach outside the fanbase
>Maybe half of the fanbase itself
A MechWarrior video game
>most of the fanbase will buy
>will have reach outside the fanbase if only from general mecha fans

>>96071080
whats CAV?
>>96071055
How much of its blood is CBT and whats the rest of the percentage of being combined with AS and Destiny? whats its strenght and whats its weakness as a game system and alternative too CBT? is it compatible with Chaos Campains?

>>96071112
>whats CAV?
The other improved version of Alpha Strike.

>>96071055
If you're taking 3 hours to play one game then you're not only gay but also a tranny

>>96071112
None. It's just the better bits of Destiny and the better bits of Alpha Strike combined.

>>96071147
it *is* compatible with Chaos Campaigns, no?
also is there any repository of unit sheets for Override? Just want my options and I dont wanna stretch my brain muscles too much too make those by hand myself

>>96071185
There's a pdf with cards for the first three box sets (so beginner box, agoac, and ci) but you need to use their card builder if you want any more. As for campaigns you would have to do some work to patch them since it is its own system and all.

>>96071099
I think a better question would be, "why not scrape up enough cash for a miniseries that you can sell to streaming services or self-publish to introduce people to the franchise?"

>>96071215
ok, lets say I wanted too run a OG Scenario, outside of modifying Unit health stats and loss of equipment and ammo, I can just drop in the Units listed in the books with the same pilot stats for each unit and be ready too play right then and there? I just need a little bit more convincin' before I try the system out with my friend

>>96071073
So business as usual. All the happier I stopped playing roughly a decade ago. Might check out the 30k threads though, paypig salt is tasty.

>>96070784
Nta, but again that's a cgl retcon iirc.

>>96071230
Yeah, that should work

>>96070670
For something like Cyclops, which is a dedicated command mechs, you likely wouldn't see entire lances of them, but a command lance consisting of the Cyclops and 3 bodyguard mechs.

>>96071258
any other quirks of the system I should know about? I still just wanna know more about it, sorry man if it sounds like im tired, I am but I have nothing better too do right now

>>96070730
I agree. DHS only outside the engines would have prevented total laser supremacy. Or it could have made building mechs impossible. In order to sink 20 heat total, IS DHS would be eating up 15 crits that could only go in the side torsos and arms. A mech using an XL engine, FF, and Endo that sinks 20 heat would be almost entirely critpacked without weapons.

>>96071227
There's little reason to not at least put some money into some shorts to test things out, and this goes for a lot of different franchises. The only real fear is that they just pocket the money and deliver nothing or that it misrepresents it, but both of these are things within control if you just keep an eye on it.

Pretty much any tabletop game would get at least some leg up by paying some animators to make some five minute "look how cool this shit is" features, but it's still uncommon. Think of how many dudes got into warhammer just from the DOW1 opening alone.

>>96071227
That is all fine and well, but who is supposed to do it?
PGI only have license to make mech sim games.
CGL can only make minis and books.

>>96071314
>>96070730
This is (probably) what a 3049 Griffin would look like if DHS only outside the engine. Compare to the 3M which has the same armor, an LRM-20, and sinks 26 heat with only 3 tons in HS while this sinks 21 heat with 6 tons in HS. Mechs with bigger engines that can fit more HS inside the engine actually get fucked by DHS outside the engine only, which is why I suppose it's all DHS.

>>96071370
I think the solution would have been to make all DHS only 2 crits, make the clan XL engine the same size as an IS one, but clanners get to have DHS in the engine.

>>96071316
>>96071358
Topps owns BT as a whole outside of video games (though Disney owns the existing cartoon). I'd say your best options would be either get in on something like Secret Level or give fan projects a lot of leeway as long as they're not trying to directly monetize the IP. The webm posted would make for a great commercial bit to post on TikTok or Youtube Shorts.

>>96071414
Even Topps does not call the shots.
It goes:
Michael Eisner->Tornate->Topps->CGL
Only video games and CCG are outside this chain with Microsoft having license straight from Michael Eisner and CCG being lost somewhere in WotC.
So for better or worse Battletech is almost whole again.

is there any quick ways too convert units from Btech Classic too Override quickly im getting upset trying too convert the SHD 5M too overdrive using the card maker program on the DFA website. along with every other unit from the scenario I wanna play with my friend. the big pile of unit cards i found on Reddit has a surprising ammount of content but not enough too sate my needs.

also is there a version of the rulebook that *doesnt* reference too AS or Destiny when I need too look up a rule like TICs? I think I need a little talk on the official server too see whats going on with the rules and the intended play style of the game

Apologies for the dump, but this month's game summary requires more than one post.

>>96071981
you INSPIRE ME, anon

>>96071981
>2/5

>>96071990
>3/5

>>96071997
>4/5

>>96072006
>5/5

Finally, some full size images in case here's mobile compression issues.

Game Summary Image
>i.imgur.com/VM3fuS2.jpeg

Skek Record Sheet
>i.imgur.com/QyzBYJV.png

Garthira Record Sheet
>i.imgur.com/56kjhMs.png

>>96071953
Override is bad and you should stop using it. Play real battletech.

>>96072024
my friend doesnt want too play real battletech because he's falling for the meme that it takes too long too play

>>96072037
Then you shouldn't be friends with him.

>>96072043
i have no friends :c

why dont you like over drive, anon?

>>96071981
Thanks for the batrep.

>>96071981
>>96071990
>>96071997
>>96072006
>>96072016
These are best expressed as a story for anons who have had a few on a rather hot day.
>>96072037
I mean it does take a while but have you ever tried playing it via tabletop sim or megamek with him? Usually that breaks the ice.
>>96072080
I legit got friends got into Battletech that really don't want to try anything except 3025 due to getting pissed off at Clans.

>>96072148
im trying TTS with him but our first one vs one scenario we played took four hours just too get too half health on both mechs we had

>>96072182
What mechs and pilots were you using?

>>96072216
a griffin and a wolverine

>>96072228
How did this retarded slap fight unfold?

>>96072234
it was a tug of war of him snipping my Wolverine with a PPC and LRMs. and then him jumping behind cover for my wolverine too run around a mountain too paddle his ass. que this up for about three turns before I booked it back down south too hide myself in a mountain and too lure him out. and then playing cat and mouse, but I was in my element because I lured HIM too MY lair of whoop ass!

>>96065044
Reflective chaff to temporarily counter or slightly reduce/scatter an incoming laser is a thought. It would have to be used proactively to completely block a shot as deploying it during a shot would only be partly effective.
Countering a ballistic shot would require a really high velocity projectile like an efp or a mini gauss. So it would only work against single shells and not bursts or shot.

>>96067408
The plural of that is crenellations.

>>96072351
Coulda sworn there were anti-laser glitter missiles at some point

>>96072382
Anon, a Crinoline is the support structure holding up a Dom's lower leg armor.

>>96072016

>>96072665

>>96072669

>>96072665
>>96072669
>>96072678

It begins!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEInNZ0oB-E

>>96072255
You didn't bring the jump jets Wolverine? You done fucked up, son.

>>96072006
>15 damage srm6
Jeeze NEA, who pissed you off that bad?

>>96070697
They also don't run small formations alone. This "lance" could be an ad hoc or opportunistic group. The rest of their individual lances could be destroyed, in for repairs, or somewhere else on the battlefield. There are very few small raid actions in this war.

>>96071494
In this case Topps would be calling the shots as Tornante is an investment firm. However, any official production would almost 100% be done through Tornante Television which has already produced several animated series.

>>96071494
Some random guy owns the rights to digital game aids and has been squatting on them after he stopped updating his paid record sheet creation program decades ago. CGL now owns IWM and therefore the rights to make models for Battletech.

>>96072665
Wait a moment, are those Garthim miniatures? This is the most unlikely crossover I've ever seen.

>>96072823

Good eye. We needed something crab shaped, but not literal crabs. One of my players found these prints, and they're fantastic.

>>96072833
Obviously it's too late now, but most/all of the Monsterpocalypse STLs have come out after the kickstarter failed spectacularly and I'm sure at least some disgruntled backers have put them out on the high seas out of spite.

If a mech suffers a gauss explosion does the pilot make a consciousness roll at 3+ and then 5+, or two at 5+?

Is AS worth getting into? I don't hate CBT, and I certainly don't mind fewer models to paint, but its granularity sometimes makes thigsg very lulrandom.

>>96072998
3+ then 5+

>>96072016
>game summary
>link
Now this is how those faggot princess vs princess ai only nogames matches should be done.

>>96073083
It's still nogames bullshit. It's obviously a fake game he's set up for attention. No one can play BT at this scale. It's not possible.

>>96073108
You're right, just looked at the picture closely and it's about ~50 mechs there.

>>96073108
>>96073168
You guys either need to quit trolling or quit being retarded.

>>96073108
>>96073168
T. Zoomy newfags fresh from the 40kiddie sphere

>>96072999
Yeah AS is a lot of fun, although you do lose some of what makes certain mechs themselves

>>96073245
You mean games that people actually play and don't lie about?

>>96073182
>>96073245
By all means show us video of a 50 mech game taking place on 4 mapsheets, as an example.

>>96073385
Sure. Pull up any Gencon livestream with the Cincy team from the last fifteen fucking years.

>Literally whining because a guy from the most elite group of Battletech players actually hangs out here and shares their games.

Some days, man...

>>96073413
Yeah, I don't see any games that massive on so few mapsheets.
Closest is a bunch of normal sized games played between pairs of opponents all "connected" in that you can fire at mapsheets on a different game if you have thumper/sniper/arrow iv/longtom weapons with that range.

>>96073413
NEA doesn't hang out here anymore

>>96073449
You just won't understand anon. You weren't *there*

>>96073449
Then you ain't looking at the canon games. Take a look at say the Fall of Dieron, or even the recent Dragon's Tongue fight. Besides, there's over 9 maps on the table now that you're calling 4.

Not a Gencon event, but you should see the Invasion of Alaska scenario from back in the day. Must have been 200+ machines and 40+ maps.

>>96073466
He's literally in this thread. Hell, we were helping out with warcrime weapon design last thread. That was fun. Good old /btg/ kinda fun.

>>96073490
>canon games
Lmao

>>96073490
>200+ machines and 40+ maps.
That's a rather different mech:map ratio tgan what's pictured ITT, it's actually exactly what anon just described too.

>>96073490
>over 9 maps
This >>96072665 is actually just 3, with 50 or so mechs

>>96073554
...that is literally 9 map sheets anon. Do you think we can't count?

>>96073576
>look at left side
>3 sheets across
>look at right side
>3 sheets across
>look at top
>3 sheets across
>look at bottom
>3 sheets across
It's very obviously 3 map sheets, anon. Next thing you're gonna be trying to tell me you can't tell the difference between right torso and left torso, eh?

>>96073576
>Do you think we can't count?
Yes.

>>96073628
3+3+3 is 9

Get out

Did the Steel Vipers fight to the death or do you think any escaped?

>>96073669
That's racist math, sometimes 1+1 is 3, sometimes it's 1, keep up with the times chud.

>>96073735
Yeah! And as NEA said when he was outlining the conduct rules for his blimps game, symbols of hate (as recognized by any nation) have no place on any gaming table he's a part of, which includes traditional maths which are rooted in notions of patriarchy and white supremacy.

>>96073735
Both your teachers and parents failed you. I’m so sorry.

>>96073772
>not understanding mathematics on a higher dimension of perception
Many such cases, sad.

>>96073710
IRL no military actually fights entirely “to the death” some would’ve been captured, or fled. So sure there is inevitably going to be members of clan Steel Viper that survived. But I highly doubt that they are still associating with the old clan. Likely they joined up with other clans, or the dark caste, or went into hiding, but they likely aren’t claiming to be part of Clan Steel Viper anymore.

I know 2/3 of the time the only time these threads see any real activity is people arguing with trolls but can you at least stop taking the easy bait and make them put some effort in

The bravest little Blitzkrieg...

>>96073913
Oh please, if they had any ability to stop themselves from acting on outside manipulation, they wouldn't be faggots.

>>96071314
>>96071370
>critpacking
This would explain why this tech went extinct in the IS, when your mech gets a single TAC and shit starts breaking would make salvage a almost impossibility, rather than everyone suddenly getting downs syndrome.

>>96073914
> “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
- that mech pilot before charging literal Godzilla while piloting only a Blitzkrieg.

>>96071143
>only playing lance v lance
>calling anyone tranny or gay
PROJECTION
R
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Considering painting a Ghost Regiment scheme. I am not a good painter. How do I do that?

>>96074078
With a paintbrush

>in universe
>mechs are rare, nearly priceless warmachines that are passed down generations
>meanwhile on Solaris 7
>LOL DEMOLITION DURBY WITH MECHS

>>96074078
with your fingers

>>96074116
I mean if you have enough of a large machine, you are going to have a Demo Derby...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeZwLP6hzlU

>like autocannons
>they fucking suck
AC2 and AC5's are suffering.

>>96073813
>So sure there is inevitably going to be members of clan Steel Viper that survived.

Aren't Vipers notorious for enacting bondsref? So very few Warriors would allow themselves to stay alive.

Painted a shitmech

>>96073766
NEA was right. I'd rather have that in place than deal with people like you.

>>96074265
Like who?

>>96074265
NEA is perfectly fine with people like bottom, I don't think he's the best judge of good people.

>>96074315
Deflection.

>>96074324
No, you are judged by the company you keep.

>>96074241
Yikes, thin your paints.

>>96074336
>said the man on 4chan

>>96074349
Most of the posts in /btg/ are no worse than any forum.

>>96074341
Can't, it's a combination of a contrast red and Vallejo bloody red, both of which are already thin, and any thinner and it becomes a wash.

>>96073994
Just typical Blitzkrieg things

>>96073710
Sexxo! The girl's not bad looking, either.

>>96074205
Rapid-fire rules

>>96074375
Incorrect, but also contrast paints are stupid, you spend twice the money for pre-thinned paint.
FFS at least buy regular paint at half price and separate bottles of contrast medium.

Stackpole to the face.

>>96074437
I only bought it because someone said it was a red that provided good coverage. It does not.

>>96074241
Looks cool nice work

>>96074451
Blood Angels Red? That paint is excellent over a light primer, incredible coverage.

>>96063000 (OP)
One thing I don't understand is why don't they add arms and legs to warships and asf's? That would massive increase their survivability by increasing the number of spots for an enemy to hit and decreasing the chance they hit something important.

>>96074578
>Hermit crab using a dropship for its shell
Whoever modeled that is a fucking legend.

>>96074600

>>96074241
That ain't bad mech.

>>96074578
>a gaint enemy crab
>that uses a fucking union as a shell
I'd fucking eject if I saw that.

>>96074578
Peak CBT player physique there

>>96074642
You know, I’m just going to say it.

Whoever decided to colonize this planet was an absolute moron. I mean really, there’s absolutely no way orbital scans or preliminary expeditions to the surface wouldn’t have noticed that the planet’s native fauna included dropship-sized hermit crabs, or mech-sized lizards that probably spit radioactive plasma. There’s no way even Age of War surveys would’ve missed that. Which means that whoever was in charge of that colony ship either decided to land on the planet without gathering any kind of intel beforehand, or saw the reports of native kaiju and thought “this is fine” and decided to colonize it anyway.

>>96074853
>or saw the reports of native kaiju and thought “this is fine” and decided to colonize it anyway.

Many such cases...

>>96074853
some find giant crabs less off putting than a literally boiling/freezing desert with no atmosphere
because planets with a biosphere and livable, breathable atmosphere are not common

>>96074853
>Whoever decided to colonize this planet was an absolute moron
>I'll take "what is the entire Star League" for $400

>>96074853
>there’s absolutely no way orbital scans or preliminary expeditions to the surface wouldn’t have noticed that the planet’s native fauna
In fairness, >>96071981 does mention that they wake up on a 70 year cycle. Who is going to scan a planet for 75 years before deciding to colonize it? Especially if it's a tropical water world, which is a rare thing.

>>96074578
Does the crab do anything?

>>96074853
>mean really, there’s absolutely no way orbital scans or preliminary expeditions to the surface wouldn’t have noticed that the planet’s native fauna included dropship-sized hermit crabs

That's super missable. Biological matter wouldn't show up on anything magnetic or most radar, while pictures wouldn't show them if they only move rarely or at night. You'd just see weird DropShip-sized geological formations.

>>96074853
>>96074967

The much more interesting thing is they must have some natural shelled creature they usually inhabit the hulk of. Imagine a super poisonous conch the size of an apartment building that's living deeper down.

>>96074898
There’d still be clues. Corpses/bones from dead kaiju (dead from either injuries inflicted by other kaiju or dead by natural causes) scattered around, scars on the environment from previous cycles (freakishly large game trails or massive nests, etc…) if this is a normal occurrence then there’d be evidence of it, and at that size those clues are unlikely to be subtle

>>96075034
Hey, anon. Did you know that Luthien itself is famous for its giant kaiju crabs? No? Because they've fucking killed them off enough to not be a problem, anymore. Battletech settlers don't care about that sort of thing when they get a garden world in their hands.

>>96075062
>>96074985
>>96074967

The fools, little do they know that these monsters are far from natural. But were genetically engineered by the Lyran scientist Heinrich Von Frankenstein to prove the validity of his “bio-mechs” and spite those who ridiculed him.

>>96075149
Also, many such cases....

>>96075187
Obviously this man has a glorious (and short) career as a HBK pilot just waiting for him.

>>96075187

I’m still in a bit of disbelief that this thing’s main gun is only an AC5, it just looks too big.

Also, is there any in-universe explanation for why GEVs are so prevalent in the Battletech universe despite being incredibly obscure IRL. besides the meta reason that when Battletech came out hovercraft was still a new and there was a lot of buzz around it, and the developers couldn’t have known that the tech would be abandoned due being too expensive, finicky, and high maintenance than any tactical advantage could offset

>>96075606
In Battletech they worked out those difficulties with sci fi tech.

Also yeah, the art often doesn't line up with the stats, even the new gen art where they put effort in.

>>96075606
AC is just a category essentially bracketed by DPS numbers. So a single fuckhuge cannon shot like a hunchback uses or a small rapidfire cannon are the same. Which is probably them just handwaving the wildly different gun designs they stole from macross and dougram, but it's what we've got. So that AC5 is probably one of the few single-shot versions. Either that or they fucked up.

>>96075606
"Uhhh, it's a large caliber, low pressure gun meant to fire specialized demolition rounds and engage infantry in defilade, but those specialized rounds were eventually dropped from the contract specifications due to cost overruns and conventional HEAP rounds were used instead."

what can this mean?

>>96075751
FASA Twitter account gonna drop a dick pic

>>96075751
>>96075789
>They brought back their tank TTRPG.

>>96075751
Probably something for Interceptors? Big ships?

>>96063000 (OP)
Melissa Steiner's AC20s

>>96075451
hahaha, top kek

>>96075451
Change this to "comstar" and it's 10/10.

What could be perceived by Clanners as the most humiliating way a warrior could lose a Batchall?

>>96075606
>Also, is there any in-universe explanation for why GEVs are so prevalent in the Battletech universe despite being incredibly obscure IRL. besides the meta reason that when Battletech came out hovercraft was still a new and there was a lot of buzz

It has nothing to do with when BattleTech came out.

GEVs were a big deal in Shadowrun, but they only got introduced to BT with Total Warfare. Probably because some writer or another was a SR fanboy and wanted more of them.

>>96075751
FASA still exists?!

>>96076263
I know right?

>>96076263
>>96076273
>you now realize everything released by other companies is non-canon

>>96076259
you're thinking of WiGE, GEV is more a generic sci-fi term for the kind of hovercraft BT has. I rather suspect it came from some mid-late 70s sci-fi novel or concept vehicle, since SJGames OGRE uses it extensively as well and IIRC so do a couple of other things of 80s vintage (Morrow Project, I think is one of them)

>>96076278
That doesn't work anymore.
Just like how Bungie still exists, but has no control over Halo, so too does FASA still exist, but has no control over Battletech.

>>96076384
Nothing past halo 3 is canon halo either.
Canon is defined by material that is made by the property's creator.

>>96076263
And they make a hex-based space fighter game called Interceptor which has a ton of plastic miniatures.
They also ran a KS for a fleet-based game based in the same setting of “Aetherstream” called (I shit you not) Leviathan.

>>96076263
They even put out a new edition of Earth Dawn in 2015. Feels weird they still have Earth Dawn, but not Shadowrun.

>>96076229
Good question! The most generic answer is probably to lose when fighting against inferior force (like militarily inferior, I get that the Clans think everyone including one another are below themselves)

>>96076283
>some mid-late 70s sci-fi novel
Hammer’s Slammers series? (David Drake)

>>96076453
that seems like a very likely source, yeah.

>>96063000 (OP)
what are those fuckhuge fins/wings for? in spess?

>>96076283
> I rather suspect it came from some mid-late 70s sci-fi novel or concept vehicle, since SJGames OGRE uses it extensively as well and IIRC so do a couple of other things of 80s vintage
The WiDGE? Or GEV?

For further clarification: WiDGE is more like a planeboat, a boat that can kinda fly (example would be the Russian Ekranoplans)

A GEV, at least in common Battletech nomenclature, is referring to an ACV, which float on an air cushion (an example would be the LCAC)

I do think the reason these were incredibly popular in sci-fi writers in the 70s and 80s is because this would’ve been the time where both of these technologies were coming out of R&D and entering both public and military use. And they grabbed attention both because of their novelty and the practical advantages such a vehicle provides. Hell even military leaders were excited about the new tech. So of course everyone thought that the ACV would usher in the future of warfare and transportation.

Of course that didn’t happen because the system… well the system had some shortfalls.

- it was expensive
- it needs a skirt to keep the cushion stable, without it the thing would become unmanageable and either crash or flip over.
- it needs calm seas or it doesn’t work over water
- if the system failed over water, it sinks like a brick
- sharp rocks and sticks could puncture the skirt.
- the SR.N4 was finding that even when traveling over flat seas and soft sand, the skirt would still get damaged and require repairs after every trip
- the fans are also complex and require extensive maintenance.

It just turned out to be more trouble than it’s worth IRL. But maybe by the 2700’s something changed to make military designers and commanders take a second look at ACVs.

>>96076406
Canon is defined by whoever has used capitalism to purchase the property, which is intrinsically morally right because it's capitalism and business. Anything else is defiance of capitalism, and is thus communism. So explain to the thread why you're a communist.

>>96076487
ACVs being referred to as GEVs was what I was talking about, yeah, I should have been more specific

>>96076406
If we were to go by true canon, then Pathways into Darkness, Marathon, and Halo, are all part of the same continuity.
But this isn't /v/ so I won't schizo post.

>>96076283
Oh, my bad.

BT has those because they're all scifi and shit. They wanted hovercraft (because they're awesome), and looked at a realistic-ish method.

>>96076489
Communist false flag.

>>96076489
I am something of a socialist, sure.

>>96076954
Good man. We need more people here who are actually capable of empathy for others. Civilization is built on working together and helping each other, not rugged individualism and only caring about yourself.

>>96077054
>for others
No, just for my own kind and animals.

>>96077079
>for my own kind
Same. Rich straight white Christians are my kind. Everyone else aren't people.

I swear to god this has to be the most cursed mech I ever field. Never fucking survives and just eats crits and dies faster than its armor should allow. Usually it dies to an ammo TAC on like the third turn or just keeps falling on its ass and breaking things every time a PSR pops up. Today, a Hunter light tank managed to get get TACs on it 3 turns in a row despite it having the majority of its armor. Thing was shooting AP missiles. I took 2 engine crits, then a gyro, and then it finished the engine off. Had half of my CT armor still there at the end. Im just going to stop bringing this thing out.

>>96077115
>white Christians
Until you start arguing the definitions of "White" and "Christian"...

>>96077204
One of the guys in my group has the same thing. Every time he brings one, it gets headcapped or something.
It's a slab of armor, but that's all it really has going for it. So when battletech happens, it just feels particularly disappointing.

>>96077204
yeah. I've actually had better luck with cruds than orions over the years, funny enough

>>96077204
>>96077231
Probably needs a buddy mech, possibly a fast back-stabber to either draw attention away or exploit their focus on the Orion.

>>96077278
Exterminator

>>96077278
>>96077231
Oddly enough I had a Crud-3L and and Locust with it. It was just a bad day for Battletech, I lost initiative every single round, the Crud slipped and fell on its ammo bin the round after the Orion died, and the Locust got its leg kicked off.

>>96077228
We can work that out once everyone else is exterminated. But let's not let perfect be the enemy of good enough. Get rid of all the minorities and alphabet people and (((them))) and everyone else first. That stuff you mentioned comes later.

>>96077115
>Rich straight white Christians

>>96077382
>and (((them))
LOL
LMAO

>>96077382
As an Irish Catholic and therefore whiter and "more Christian" than you, I have a problem with that...

>>96077483
>irish
>white

>>96077204
Funny, I’ve had the opposite problem, every time either I’ve fielded one, or my opponent did, it’s never, ever, gone down; and not for a lack of trying. I have seriously seen an entire Lance worth of mechs concentrate all fire on a singe Orion for, I want to say 2-3 turns and it was unfazed, I think it was suffering more negative effects from overheating than from anything the other mechs were doing to it. I mean I am convinced the damn thing is indestructible, so I don’t know what the hell you’re doing wrong.

>>96077278
In my experience, if the Orion needs a Buddy, it’s to compensate for its somewhat unimpressive offensive capabilities (it’s weapon load out could be better)

>>96077347
Okay, now I’m convinced that this might be a skill issue.

I've had good luck with using an Orion and Thud together since they have near-perfectly complementary weapon packages

>>96077533
>amerimutt
>christian

>>96077533
So you can see why I'd have a problem with your English Protestant ass!

>"It's not the Agents you should skip over; It's the meals"
Is it?

>bored at work
>check /btg/ to see what we're posting about Battletech
>thread is busily recreating kinds of racism I've only ever seen when it was mocked in Blazing Saddles
Normal night, clearly.

Doing part 2 of my 1000 Years From Now mini campaign Monday. Will post about it, assuming you guys haven't decided that pasta is the sinister work of lizard people or something similarly insane

>>96077204
How do you logically defend a TAC? That the shot found a bad plate?

>>96074642
>>96074578
>collapse yesterday and blackout
>come back today to find NEA's dropped a fucking UNION SIZED HERMIT CRAB on his players
1. That's utterly terrifying
2. A hermit crab hides in its stolen shell to protect it from predators. This implies that there is something in the oceans of this world that PREDATES ON DROPSHIP SIZED CRABS
3. This is also really, really, really cool
What happened in the end? Did the Rangers manage to drop the behemoth? Come on man, you can't just leave us all hanging here.

>>96075034
Mate, if they are ocean dwelling it's entirely possible they where missed. There's massive stuff in our oceans we barely know anything about, look at those huge Ghost Squid, or the only recently discovered Collossal Squid. There's now theories that the Kraken of old was some kind of now extinct mega squid, and wounds seen on Baleen whales imply the existence of some huge species in the depths.

>>96077228
>Until you start arguing the definitions of "White"
Now now commie, you tried this in the last Stealth Lancer general, and that Welsh beast blew you away with his genealogy test results. Don't start this fight again, you only get hurt.

>>96078337
Bad armor plate, or the shot went in somewhere the armor didn't cover, like directly down the barrel of a gun, the point where a joint is exposed, one of those lucky things.

It happens in naval and armored warfare and occasionally it's significant.

Where can I find sheet for that one Wraith with Stealth Armor, the TR7? Flechs and Meklab are powerless here.

>>96078499
Mordel.

>>96078534
Thanks, I didn't know of that place.

>>96077204
I'm using an ON2-M in a campaign game, and it's either the MVP or horrendously cursed. One game my opponent got two engine hits on the center torso, it fell, and critted its center torso again and got the third engine hit.

>>96078408
>Welsh
Who do you think they'll go for next after the Irish?

>>96078418
It's a lot more common in battletech than in real combat.
You also can't TAC real tanks with weapons of sufficiently low caliber, like infantry small arms.

Got my first star ready, I think.

Pirahna 1
Piranha 5
Night Chanter prime
Hammerhead
Marauder IIC

My autism really screams at me for not running another sea creature mech but there are no more…

>>96076482
Heat

>>96079012
All whites in general. I'm honestly sick of their sly little "well what is a white person really" and "how can you define a white person" or just outright "there's no such thing as a white person, everyone is x% african/middle eastern" despite there being scientific evidence to prove them wrong. Don't try to tell me I don't exist whilst putting someone else on a pedestal for having the "correct" skin colour. The hard left are far more racist than the right ever could be.
Welsh beast was in response to a commie claiming "whites don't exist" btw, and he blew the commie away so hard he refused to even acknowledge the discussion.

>>96076482
Heatsinks. In space your ability to dump waste heat is curtailed drastically so you need masses of surface area to get rid of it. In all honesty, those wings are too small.

>>96079352
Good mix. The Marauder II is a brute and a half. Never used a Hammerhead but the model looks ace, just wish it was available over here.

>>96077679
>mutt
Do Europeans forget that multiethnic and multiracial armies raped their way across the continent for centuries? Then again you are that stupid.

Are mechs, elementals and regular armor immune to willy pete?

>>96079508
Probably. Even modern day AFVs won't be damaged by getting showered by WP, and fusion engine vehicles won't have to worry about air intake systems like ICE vehicles do.

>>96079508
Phosphorous is matchsmoke compared to Inferno Gel in-universe.

>>96079560
I didnt really think about the machines more about the person on board, but they probably have a closed system or some kind of air filter

>>96079569
Save the metal, kill the meat and all that. burning potential salvage to shit isnt that profitable at the end of the day

>>96079580
>>96079569
I don't think White Phosphorous, in its current day configuration, has comparable coverage of armored vehicle to getting hit by an inferno weapon. WP is probably already best represented in the game as smoke rounds that cover an entire hex.

>>96079611
It would kill infantry though, so it's better than smoke. Maybe a combo incendiary/smoke VGL.
I wish VGLs weren't a one-shot system. It's a neat piece of equipment with some neat uses, but .5 tons per shot is too much.

>>96079464
Most DNA tests show that most europeans historically are overwhelmingly monoethnic.
Most invading armies had little to no effect on the genetic makeup of native populations and most armies are dominated by a single ethnicity.

>>96079921
Constantinople was my favorite example of this, where the culture changed so radically, but they did the DNA tests and they're all still pretty much Greeks after the Arabs took over.

>>96079508
They call me Willy Pete
I'm the king of flesh burning heat
When they load up the mortars I go chick chicky boom, chick chicky boom

Yes sir, I'm Willy Pete
Coming soon to American streets
Dropping on the protesters I go chick chicky boom, chick chicky boom

>>96079424
>All whites in general.
So a purity spiral...
Because you shits are going to start splitting hairs to continue to justify your sociopathy.

>>96079464
>Do Europeans forget that multiethnic and multiracial armies raped their way across the continent for centuries? Then again you are that stupid.
Damn Saxons, dey ruin Briton!

>>96079921
>Most invading armies had little to no effect on the genetic makeup of native populations
...So the invaders weren't raping the women and children?

>>96080002
>Coming soon to American streets
>Dropping on the protesters I go chick chicky boom, chick chicky boom
Man the US Military doesn't even want to use the Area Denial System on foreigners...

>>96077558
The thread seems to have similar experiences with him so maybe you should share what voodoo you're doing with the dice that makes it be nice to you.

>>96078622
>>96077231
>>96077204
I honestly think its because its more fragile than people realize. It has a good array of weapons but its two strongest work together best at range, it doesn't have the sinks to really fire its entire spread, and its too slow to generate any real TMM. What it does have is a shitton of armor which means you're less concerned about incoming fire than you probably should be. Its a heavy so it gets focused and again because its slow it eats hits which means more dice rolls against it. It also doesn't have a reputation for being a scary mech you want to avoid so people don't shy away from it. The other important thing: The Orion has more ammo bins than even the base Crusader (5 to the Crud's 4) and they're clustered together in the side torsos which means a TAC to LT has a solid chance of hitting missile ammo.

>>96077115
>>96077228
>>96077382
>>96077392
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>>96077679
>christian
>worshiping the root cause of your minority and homosexual woes
Lmfao, typical.

What mech would he pilot

>>96080070
>So the invaders weren't raping the women and children
These encounters did occur in great enough quantity and did not usually produce lineages in quantities that they noticeably impacted genetic makeup of native populations.

>>96080210
>with shins
Hunchback
>without shins
Urbanmech

>>96080197
> so maybe you should share what voodoo you're doing with the dice that makes it be nice to you.
Well more accurately it’s only nice to me when I field it, it gets quite mean when it’s fielded against me.

But I don’t know what to tell you, most locations have between 22, and 36 armor, means that any given location is only going to start going internal on its 3rd or 4th consecutive hit with a PPC, or equivalent weapon, which is somewhat hard to pull off quickly. It might also help that most of the games I play take place between the succession wars and clan invasion era, so things like gauss weapons are still something of a rarity. With that said, another tactic is to turn its biggest shortfall into an asset: the Orion’s weapons aren’t terribly intimidating, it’s either bracketing the AC10 and LRM15 together, or if something gets close, it’s bracketing the AC10 and MLs together (maybe switching out the AC10 for the SRM4 if the target is a light or already has the bulk of its armor already stripped off), not bad, but not impressive. So if the Lance has other hard-hitting support mechs (like the Awesome 8Q, Catapult K2, Longbow, etc), or just more aggressive mechs (thunderbolt, exterminator) then your opponent is likely to either prioritize taking out the other mech over the Orion, thus extending its life expectancy, or the player will try to split his efforts between them, which will allow the Orion’s armor to excel. But this should all be obvious stuff; without going internal getting crits on mechs should be statistically difficult, and thus mechs with high armor should be able to go longer before they start taking crits. So I don’t understand what the heck you guys are doing to get these things knocked out early.

>>96080274
So did it or did it not happen?
A quarter of the world is related to Genghis Khan thanks to his rape spree, and he was a single Warlord.

>>96080806
A quarter of the population, not a quarter of the world.
It's basically just china.

HNNNGHHHH!!! I'M GETTING RAPED WHILE TYPING THIS!!!

Thoughts on custom mechs?
Not variants either, from the ground up new machines.

>>96080883
No, why, no.

>>96080903
>why
More Yourdudes! fun.

>>96080806
Your reading comprehension is poor but I will simplify it.
It happened but it wasn't significant enough to make a difference most of the time.

>>96080938
This doesnt sound like fun to me.

>>96081000
If you aren't posessed of imagination it probably seems like work to use anything except premade cookie cutter units and factions.
Where would you be if no one was doing your thinking for you?

>>96081013
I probably would still waste my time on a useless university degree.

>>96080584
I’m also going to just say, sometimes shit just happens.

One time I had a Ymir that had taken exactly 0 damage up to that point, and, for lack of a better option, my opponent fired a machine gun at the Ymir as a secondary target. He hit, got a 2 for location, rolled a 12 to confirm the crit, and proceeded to hit 3 different engine critical locations.

Shit just happens and if that is a problem then maybe Classic Battletech isn’t for you.

>>96080584
If you read people's posts the problem isnt from running out of armor its from unlucky TACs or failing PSRs and breaking their hip. Your comment about pairing it with a hard hitting mech I think is where the problem comes from. The Orion is rather costly in BV to just be a sidekick to something bigger, especially when you can just use something like a Centurion for cheaper. Most people use it as their big hitter, its a 75 ton armored command mech with a 10point gun and decent battery of other weapons why not. So it goes wading in and absorbs fire it can't evade because its only a 4/6 and just stacks dice rolls against it. More chances of a PSR, more chances of crits, more things that can be crit.

>>96081052
I had a pristine Hauptmann get taken out by a single LRM5 to the engine.

>>96081072
> If you read people's posts the problem isnt from running out of armor its from unlucky TACs or failing PSRs and breaking their hip.
I mean, if the problem is that your dice hates you, I don’t know how to fix that.

> The Orion is rather costly in BV to just be a sidekick to something bigger,
~1430 BV is expensive? That seemed like a bargain to me. How big are the typical games you play in?

>>96080903
Some concepts are bafflingly nonexistent as a mech variant despite this game existing for like 40 years.

>>96080070
>So a purity spiral...
>Because you shits are going to start splitting hairs to continue to justify your sociopathy.
Nah. All I want is acceptance that there are differences in people, and that white people are as much a distinct race as African or Middle eastern.

>So the invaders weren't raping the women and children?
Yes, but they never made significant inroads because the entirety of Europe put differences aside to fight the invaders out, and the few bastard offspring that did reproduce had a negligible impact on Europe's genetic makeup.

But manic your a full on retard who is stuck on this path of self mastibatury righteousness. Ignorant but too up your own backside to admit it. As history has proven, no amount of evidence is enough for your retardation. Do off you go, go try to kill your mommy again. And fail. Again.

>>96081095
I had a pristine Mongoose take a through-armor crit to the center torso from a Charger's small laser, take two engine crits, and be put into forced withdrawal on the first turn of combat.

>>96081404
>All I want is acceptance that there are differences in people, and that white people are as much a distinct race as African or Middle eastern.
Well that's the issue with ethnicity and culture, it blurs and blends, drifts as the generations pile on and on.

>>96081425
Genealogy has proven that there are distinct subspecies of hominids. I am happy to recognise them all, all I ask is that mine us recognised as much as those of a higher melanin content and that all are treated according to their actions, not placed on a pedestal just because they are of a different species.

>>96081458
>Genealogy has proven that there are distinct subspecies of hominids
Yours also likely contains a significant percentage of Neanderthal...

>>96081481
Unsurprising, all European genealogy includes neanderthal dna. Neanderthal x Homo Sapiens. If you did basic research into the Human genetic lineage you would know.
Read the lore, do your research, be less ignorant, educate yourself, etc.

>>96081481
I wouldn't consider 2% significant.
Measurable, sure.

Neanderthal pussy must've been the muscle mommy fetish of its time. Neat

>>96081586
Neanderthals were manlets. They're more similar to fantasy dwarves.

>>96081579
>I wouldn't consider 2% significant.
I mean it is when you take into account they died out like 40,000 years ago.

>>96081458
>Genealogy has proven that there are distinct subspecies of hominids.
Whoah, Olly. We can't say that. Mostly because species and subspecies definition has to do with populations not naturally interbreeding, and we fucked all that up once we invented boats about 7000 years ago. Last people you could probably say that about would be like the Aborigines.

>>96081641
Nah.

>>96081481
>>96081579

We're only 1.5% away from a chimp, so 2% Neanderthal is significant.

>>96081649
>species and subspecies definition has to do with populations not naturally interbreeding
Are polar bears and grizzly bears the same species?

They will be once the polar ice caps stop existing long enough to enforce the polar separation. Give it another thousand years.

>>96081687
And yet Europeans are 20% different from subsaharan africans

>>96081757
Pretty sure that's unique human fraction, not total DNA. Total DNA, 20% is like the difference between us and a lizard.

>ITT: Genetic Swamping
Red Wolf syndrome all up in here.

>>96081761
subsaharans have an incredibly high admixture of a proto human genetic pattern possibly habilis but noone can identify it.
And no, lizards are not mammals, their dna is far more than 20% different, we don't share common ancestry with lizards unless you trace back to single cell organisms.

>>96081887
>we don't share common ancestry with lizards unless you trace back to single cell organisms.
Son, we came from reptiles back in the Permian from the Diapsids. You really need to realize how much of our total genetic code is old garbage. Just being tetrapods gives us 70% compatibility with fucking fish.

>>96081907

Is there a way to manually deploy a bot's units? I'm wanting to run a fortress assault/defense scenario and I'd like its weapon emplacements to be bot driven, but don't want to let Princess place them all over instead of on the perfectly good watchtowers.

>>96082173
You'll have to play hotseat vs yourself.
I know it's a tough ask because you actually have to know how to play to do it.

>>96082238
Actually I just don't want my friends to have seven or eight extra units to click through every turn (since they're still sort of new to the game) and so wanted to let Princess drive the turrets for them, but if its impossible to do that without giving her control over deployment then they'll just have to deal with it. Thanks for the helpful and informative reply.

>>96082274
>"my friend" doesn't know how to play
Lol, okay.
Because you play on computer vs ai with "friends"

>>96082274
>i'm going to teach someone how to play via a complex scenario that isn't a normal match
why

>>96082305
I mean, yeah? We all get together and play Halo and shit too. Do you not have friends to drink beer and play video games with?

>>96082310
They've played some normal games with me, one of 'em went "You know what'd be cool guys?" and everyone wanted to do it. And it sounds fun anyway.

>>96082418
>/tg/
>meet in-person
>play vidya, not minis
You're in the wrong place.

>>96082527
Sorry, I'll let you get back to discussing racial purity and the origins of terrestrial life.