Do you support the Imperium

>Suffer at the hands of an insanely repressive dictatorship spanning the galaxies
or
>Siding with Chaos
...Imperium it is.

>>96064024 (OP)
Women don’t belong in 40k

>>96064024 (OP)
Yeah, that's right.

I hate that tart, she owns a titan and has cats and instead of posting any actual meaningful hobby, farms upvotes and likes and clicks by posting pictures of her cats on the table with her half-painted titan.

Absolute shite and I actually think the midwits who "like" it and engage with it on honest terms rather than as the engagement bait it is, especially the ones who own miniatures, should get a bolt driven directly through their brain.

>>96064024 (OP)
Yeah! that's right

Gritty settings with strong aesthetics and strife will always be cool as fuck no matter how much these people keep screaming about media literacy. Only way you can make the Imperium non-cool is to make it look frumpy and keep it's enemies sharp looking.

>>96064141
>Gritty settings with strong aesthetics and strife will always be cool
Okay how it is exactly related to 40k?

>>96064024 (OP)
Considering the alternative is being a disposable slave to the xenos, dying, or joining the group of homicidal serial killers (the chaos)...
yes, the Imperium is the best option.

>>96064244
all of those options are still kinda preferable to being a servitor

>>96064276
That sounds like something a criminal would say who wants to escape his just punishment.

>>96064295
Under the imperium, everyone is a criminal .

>>96064244
"disposable slave" is exactly what the Imperium thinks of you as.
>but the Tau neuter you-
the only source on this is some Imperial speculating lol. and the Imperium does that and worse

>>96064076
Both of those factions only benefit from you believing that there is no third option. The galaxy is full of human civilizations that align with neither The Imperium or Chaos. Chaos wants you to think that if you leave the Imperium only chaos will take you in, and the Imperium wants you to believe that their brutality is justified by the only other alternative being literal demon cults.
But nearly every human world that the great crusade/IoM has found after the DAOT? Have been human worlds that were not part of the Imperium and were not chaos infected hellholes.

>>96064301
Its worth pointing out that even in the propaganda behind Tau sterilization of humans, that was a *punishment for a specific population of humans* for *repeatedly rebelling* to the point that the Tau determined that these guys would forever be ungovernable and thus the best solution was to just sterilize them and leave them be to live out the rest of their lives with minimal, and then move in on their land after they died off with loyal geuvesa.
Its not just not their default policy with humans, its vastly more merciful than the Imperium has ever done to basically anyone under their command. In the same situation, the Imperium would have just melted their cities to glass and wiped them all out on the spot.

>>96064024 (OP)
It's a fictional setting so I can't actually support either side. But if I lived in the warhammer universe then no I wouldn't and I would try to stay as far away from the fighting as possible. Statistically It doesn't matter if one guy doesn't waste his life fighting chaos in the trenches.

>>96064136
>women and cats and nerd paraphernalia
The perfect mix for maximum simp votes

>>96064343
>Statistically It doesn't matter if one guy doesn't waste his life fighting chaos in the trenches.

RAW, if you know anything about how chaos actually works then the unfortunate reality is that the most reliable and effective method to weaken and defeat Chaos is actually to just let most of the humans in the galaxy die. Chaos feeds off of humanity's psychic energy, the more of us there are the stronger Chaos is. Reduce mankind down to the population or a single solar system again, and Chaos as the galaxy-wide snowball effect we know it as will *starve*.

Do these morons not think that too much tolerance is a bad thing? Do they not see what’s happening in the west right now?

>>96064024 (OP)
Women would be the biggest simps for the Imperium if they lived in it, its really just funny seeing their lack of self reflection/awareness of the issue because they see everything through the lens of idealogy and modern day virtue signaling. I mean the reason why I'd approve of the Imperium is that its incredibly masculine, theres no room for weakness in it, but the reality is that its a comical reflection of 2000 years of history stretched out into 10,000 for the sake of asking the question "How much have we lost in that time?"

Thats the real point of the 40 setting is pointing out how much we have forgotten or perverted various truths from our ancient past to the point we dont even know anymore.

Women say they dont like the Imperium but its spot on the nose how they would behave if they lived in it.

>>96064301
>the only source on this is some Imperial speculating lol. and the Imperium does that and worse
Farsight and its enclave have a different opinion.

>>96064427
They don’t think their own mercy could ever possibly be used against them, no.

>>96064136
>half painted
idk man it looks painted to me

>Start offering mercy and being tolerant
>a genestealer cult infiltrates your planet and calls in a huge hive fleet towards you
>some psyker blows up after being captured and starts a demonic invasion in some city
Yeah, it’s totally them who lack media literacy.
Theres some things about the imperium that are plainly wrong, like almost everything related to faith, but their general view of society is justified by the circumstances.

>>96064449
Farsight didn't leave the Tau for its treatment of humans. He left over the Ethereal caste's unchecked power.

>>96064024 (OP)
Maybe they shouldn't have made the things the statement refers to so heinous, hideous, monstrous, and dangerous that the sentiment is entirely merited then.

A Farseer will launch an attack that dooms an entire subsector - billions of humans - because she got baby fever and her visions showed that she'll remain childless if they're still alive for Reasons. Tau will use sweet wiles and blueberry tiddies to sell you what *looks* like a better deal than the Imperium and then serve you a big bowl of Oops, All Totalitarian Caste System. nuSquats base their entire society around senile versions of the same AIs that launched a galaxy-devastating war against humanity in the DAoT because they weren't feeling appreciated. Necrons want to slaughter anyone on "their" worlds, enslave everyone else, and use you as tasty snacks for their pet god-shards so they can use them as weapons against each other in pointless everlasting dynastic wars. Dark Eldar need to heinously torture people to stay alive, and will do so with acual glee. Orks are an out of control ancient super-weapon that, left unchecked, will grow to the size of tanks and small buildings and have access to an Akashic Records-tier genetic knowledge library with technology that makes everyone else look like toddlers building sandcastles and would *still* exist for no other reason other than to beat whatever happens to be in front of them at that exact moment in time to death as spectacularly as possible. Chaos wants to eat you fucking soul and torture you for eternity. Tyranids want to eat everything else.

What are we supposed to be tolerant towards again? Who among those will reward mercy? The Imperium aren't "the good guys" in a simpering Babby's First Heroic Fantasy way, but they're the protagonists because they're *us* and in the context of 40K they're the least-worst option.

>>96064504
neither of these things require mercy to happen. in fact they're happening right now because mercy is nonexistant. psykers turn to Chaos because they're treated so horrendously badly that they feel closer to the Neverborn then their own species, and Genestealers thrive in the rampant poverty of hiveworlds and attract people who are currently being stomped to shit by the Imperium.

>>96064532
>Tau will use sweet wiles and blueberry tiddies to sell you what *looks* like a better deal than the Imperium and then serve you a big bowl of Oops, All Totalitarian Caste System
and this is worse then the Imperium how, exactly? Tau subsidiaries get a better deal then Imperial citizens.

>>96064024 (OP)
Honestly, no. I think I'd rather humanity outright die or transform into something like the Votann or be subjugated by the Tau the fate of the Imperium of man.

It's like saying the 102 year old sitting in an Iron Lung with his pants full of shit and tumors in his brain and drool running down his lips is "heroic" for holding out that long.

Sometimes it's just better to let it go.

>>96064302
Yes and almost all of them existed because they spent the DAoT ruthlessly purging mutants and psykers like the most unhinged Ecclesiarchy preacher and fighting off constant attacks from aliens who sensed weakness. In 40K you don't get the nice civilisation ice cream until you eat the genocide brocolli, period, end of. Every "good guy" faction is either based in horror, falls to horror as soon as its isolation ends and it engages with the wider galaxy, or joins the rest of the galaxy in being enthusiastic perpetrators of horror to stave off the even worse horrors beyond. That *is* 40K. You sound like you'd be more at home with Disney Star Wars.

>>96064535
The most pious and well treated psyker will still blow up horribly because that is just their nature. And what if you capture a psyker delinquent? Should you kill them, arrest them and risk traumatizing him (which can lead to an awful demonic invasion real fast) or just let him go scotch free?
>and Genestealers thrive in the rampant poverty of hiveworlds
No, the original genestealer models had people driving limos and shit. They obviously are not related to poverty.

>>96064532
>because they're *us*

Not they aren't; I have more in common with a chimpanzee than any given member of the Imperium.

Their morals are degenerate and blinding, their entire existence is failure.

>>96064568
You’re a retard

>>96064535
Psykers don't need to turn to Chaos to become a hideous flesh-gate spewing a daemonic invasion, it can happen because they get in a bad mood. Sanctioned psykers are *rigorously* trained for a long time to maintain iron mental discipline and even they can go warp-wonko if they get too stressed. Most humans are not *capable* of being safe psykers exactly because they're humans.

And genestealers are literally everywhere, high and low, rich and poor, from Imperial paradise worlds infesting nobles to the most Grog the Barbarian feral worlds. Because they "thrive" by literally infecting you with alien DNA that controls your mind. God you fucking *reek* of Taufag.

>>96064546
It's not worse. It's not *better* either because they've repeatedly shown that everything about how they treat "subsidiaries" on both a collective and individual level depends entirely on what their arbitrary definition of Greater Good requires at that moment. If a Tau commander has Tau warriors and human auxilliaries, he's not ordering the Tau to suicide-charge the enemy trenches. They're utterly self-serving, completely lacking in scruples, but they *pretend* to be holier than thou and sell people the lie. You know what, I take it back - they *are* worse than the Imperium because at least the Imperium wears its horrors on its sleeve, the Tau will cut your balls off and tell you it was for your own good.

>>96064024 (OP)
Only if I get my state-funded elf gf

>>96064569
Us as in they're the version of humanity in this setting, dipshit, not literally 21st century humans.

>>96064136
Cuuuuute!
I love cats.

>>96064560
Cool meme. Doesn't align with the setting's own lore, but thats never stopped you before so why start now?

>>96064614
>he's not ordering the Tau to suicide-charge the enemy trenches
Anon, humans are physically stronger and better suited to melee than Tau are. As a human commander in that same situation, I would make that exact same call. The humans are the right tool for that job, and the Tau would be actively bad at it.
Obviously I'd prefer a tactic that doesn't require a suicidal trench rush in the first place, but if thats what we have left to work with the humans being the vanguard just makes sense.

>>96064591
>Psykers don't need to turn to Chaos to become a hideous flesh-gate spewing a daemonic invasion, it can happen because they get in a bad mood.
Can we actually point to a time in the lore where this has happened? Because it strikes me as the same sort of excuse as "the Admech can't let people tech-innovate because anything not made by admech hands spontaneously generates demons" which people love to repeat but can't name a single instance of it ever having happened. When, if the problem is are real as they claim, it should be happening often enough that we would have unambiguous examples to validate the practice.

>>96064614
>Tau will cut your balls off
Reminder that this is still given as their one example of true, reprehensible evil and it's non-canon, and even only a hypothesis within its own narrative, and is also something the empire does constantly with far less justification.
>tell you it was for your own good
Which the empire famously would never do, right?

>>96064665
Upvoted :))

>>96064728
Not really canon, but it was a feature in the black crusade rpg that some of the psykers mishap rolls summoned demons. Any of them could fuck up and do that.

>>96064728
The Age of Strife, it was kind of a big deal

>>96064728
The whole problem that led to witch hunts of psykers was they would constantly go berserk and summon Daemons during the Age of Strife when the warp got all fucky

>>96064448
>Women would be the biggest simps for the Imperium if they lived in it, its really just funny seeing their lack of self reflection/awareness of the issue because they see everything through the lens of idealogy and modern day virtue signaling. I mean the reason why I'd approve of the Imperium is that its incredibly masculine, theres no room for weakness in it, but the reality is that its a comical reflection of 2000 years of history stretched out into 10,000 for the sake of asking the question "How much have we lost in that time?"

>>96064024 (OP)
It makes sense in setting because the galaxy really is out to get them. How much of that is a self fulfilling prophecy is debatable.

>>96064513
because he knows that the Tau government is fake and only spreads lies.

>>96064791
>>96064776
This sounds like he's actually right and there are not actually any cases of it happening in decades of 40k books and lore, only promises that it totally happened for real offscreen thousands of years ago just trust us bro.

>>96064024 (OP)
Yeah, that's right.

>>96064024 (OP)

>>96064024 (OP)
Of course, where else would I get an endless supply of slaves from?

>>96064892
Pretty sure the intro story to Dawn of War Black Crusade's Chaos campaign outright shows an insane psyker's mental breakdown until he turned himself into a living portal to the Warp as part of a ritual to bring back Eliphas the Inheritor, as well as being sucked into the Warp being an exceptionally rare miscast possibility in the Dark Heresy line of rpgs. So it is something that can happen in the setting.

People who hate the Imperium are mentally deficient as they can't understand that the universe of 40k isn't the same as our own, in 40k there is a tangible consequence to many things we take for granted in our universe.

I think there is also some not-daemon warp parasite or wasp thing that can turn psykers into short lived flesh gates for them too

>>96064136
Some nice plump tits on her

>>96064708
You know that you're deliberately dodging his point.

>>96064024 (OP)
The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.

>>96064024 (OP)
>looks at where 20 years of mercy has gotten the West
Yeah, I'd say that's about right.

>>96065080
Nah, that's the result of bodyfat and a hunchback. Those are some mirage tits, man.

>>96064532
>then serve you a big bowl of Oops, All Totalitarian Caste System
So the Imperium, but with better living conditions (and blueberry tits)

>>96064301
The Tau will eventually purge humans. Didn't they recently get a ship saved by a warp manifestation of the Greater Good and then go out and kill all the humans in said ship? Eventually they'll realize humans are more harm then good and the Ethereals will order them destroyed.

>>96064614
>They're utterly self-serving, completely lacking in scruples, but they *pretend* to be holier than thou and sell people the lie.
Anon, why do you keep talking about the Imperium?

>>96064728
>Because it strikes me as the same sort of excuse as "the Admech can't let people tech-innovate because anything not made by admech hands spontaneously generates demons" which people love to repeat but can't name a single instance of it ever having happened.
Unfortunately for you, GW made this little tidbit canon. Too many inventions and innovations were brought to combat necron supertech at the Pariah Nexus and it ended up summoning Vaushtorr into realspace so he could reduce the entire battleground into chaos slop.

>>96065266
The most peaceful, prosperous, advanced and culturally enlightened era in human history?

>>96065031
Neither the video games or the FFG games are canon, anon. Like, if we have to accept FFG tables as truth then the Imperium of Man chem-gelds like 10-20% of its population, making the Tau's sterilization laughably insignificant compared to the untold trillions of its own people the IoM does it to.

>>96065358
The fuck you talking about? The Blood Ravens are canon, and so is Elpihas the Inheritor

>>96064391
Clearly the best thing for humans is to be heretics
Even better if you’re an astartes

>>96065346
>peaceful
So long as you ignore all the stabbings, acid attacks, molotov cocktail attacks, mostly peaceful but fiery riots that destroy multiple cities, and trucks of peace that kill hundreds.
>prosperous
For the rootless cosmopolitans who have sold out their kin and nations, sure.
>advanced
We don't even know how to get to the moon anymore.
>culturally enlightened
Oh so castrating boys into twinky fuckslaves is "culturally enlightened" now? I thought the bronze age was full of backwards brutes. Does this mean we can start flaying foreigners alive and nailing their loved ones to trees again too?

>>96064024 (OP)
Yes, and as a homo sapiens, there is no intellectually honest argument otherwise. For all of its flaws, and there are oh so many, the Imperium of Man is the only way humanity can exist in the universe of 40k without being a slave to chaos or xenos.
Avoid living on a shrine world, recruitment world, or anywhere near an ork empire, and you will live a nice long life of 60-90 earth standard years in a world that is basically pre-WW middle America, just with far less intra-species racism and replacing god with The God Emperor.

>>96065327
Vaushtorr showed up because he took advantage of the energy released by all of those doomsday weapons going off at once and harnessed it to open a warp rift. There is nothing that says that it happened because if you squint these four rivets on the bottom of the undercarriage of this tractor that was in the 32nd cargo hold make a symbol that looks kind of like a chaos rune and that was all it takes to spill forth an infinite army of demons, which is what the admech claim.

>>96065395
Is this bait or are you genuinely this retarded

>>96064817
Will Stancil, is that you? Why are you posting on /tg/? Shouldn't you be getting raped by AI again right about now?

>>96065433
Okay so you are just a blathering retard who thinks it's a good thing to invite foreign invaders into your nation to rape and murder your women and children while you "culturally enlighten" yourself by castrating and biochemically mutilating kids. Gotcha.

>>96065395
This, we live in an age of degeneration.
Jews can't even make good movies any more.

>>96065395
You do realize that screeching, reeking, malformed, mentally & emotionally stunted subhumans like you would, at best, get thrown in sanatorium to rot, and, most likely, be tortured for sport by normal people in a less enlightened (e.g. 2 centuries ago) era, right?

>>96065433
You have to understand, anon, rightoids live in a dystopian hellscape in their mind where all of western civilization is 2 weeks from total collapse , and has been since 2016. These are the same people who have been claiming that crime is an epidemic when violent crime has been falling for years, that trans athletes ruining sports is a culture-wide problem despite there being a single digit number of them in the entire world, and that the covid vaccine has already killed ever person that took it and if they just scour the internet for one more article about an 87 year old man who died of a blod cloth they will finally be able to prove it.
The world is by no means just fine, we have a lot of shit we need to fix, but they worship the apocalypse because it gives the justification to be their worst selves and call it righteousness.

>>96065460
But if my views are so regressive and stunted, I'd fit right in with that barbarous time (you know, the same time of barbarism that you called culturally enlightened since they had eunuch concubines).

I think you're just projecting because faggots like you would've been drowned in a bog or lit on fire.

>>96065273
Shit

>>96065469
>You have to understand, anon, rightoids live in a dystopian hellscape in their mind where all of western civilization is 2 weeks from total collapse
Ironic, coming from the side that constantly cries about how we're in a "post-capitalist dystopia" and just 2 weeks away from a heckin wholesome chungus communist revolution. Or at least we were until the Evil Orange Naziman starting slaughtering troons and mexicans in the street and returned us not to the 1950s, but the 950s.

Over tolerance is intolerance of safety.

>>96065507
3 bank crisis in the last 20 years and 2 disastrous wars that has only weakened the west and set China up to be the new sole superpower IS the post-capitalist dystopia.

Who even cares, 40k is an absolutely horrible setting anyways. Go play Fantasy or MESBG, or even AoS.

>>96064136
SEXO

>>96064024 (OP)
>Intolerance bad, mmmkay!
>but also I should be allowed to delete you from society if you say nigger
Why are leftoids like this?

>>96065395
>So long as you ignore all the stabbings, acid attacks, molotov cocktail attacks, mostly peaceful but fiery riots that destroy multiple cities, and trucks of peace that kill hundreds.
What happened between 1914 and 1945 and how many people died as a result, zoom-zoom? 3 guesses, and the first 2 don’t count.
>For the rootless cosmopolitans who have sold out their kin and nations, sure.
More like for everyone and their dog. Even Sub-Saharan Africans have seen massive increases in quality of life compared to 50 years ago.
>We don't even know how to get to the moon anymore.
We went to the Moon 52 years ago, squirt. It was an empty barren rock. Turned out to be a waste of time and money too. Public interests for a re-do remains negligible
>Oh so castrating boys into twinky fuckslaves is "culturally enlightened" now?
That literally doesn't happen though. It did happen often in the trad, masculine and pious past you seem to idealize in your tiny mind, where they used to chop of little boys balls in order to turn them into harem slaves & opera singers but it's a non-issue nowdays.

>>96065525
Oh so we AREN'T in the most prosperous and advanced west! Funny how that "truth" is just as malleable as your morality.