Previous Heresy:
>>96062706>HH 3.0 Leakshttps://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more
>New Edition Soonโขhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>New to The Horus Heresy? Hereโs Everything Youโll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics
>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back upใAdeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialisใ
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm
>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
Are you coping, hoping, or roping?
Do we have the rules for the Saturnine Termies & Dread?
>>96066063 (OP)>Are you coping, hoping, or roping?Fucking laughing.
Laughing and how bad this is, how stupid GW is, how its still going to sell well, and how the hobby i loved is getting shit on, again.
We are all bleeding today, have faith.
>>96066063 (OP)He bakes a new thread. He should've raped Kevin Rountree, if you ask me
So, are you placing an order for the box tomorrow?
You wouldn't want to disappoint James Workshop, would you?
What date did we set the mass suicide event for and are we doing a meetup or is it independent action?
>>96066063 (OP)Coping, by playing 1E, the way Bligh intended.
>TQ
ROPED
I can't even get interested in 2.0 or 1.0 as a backup plan. Angron-level hopeless anger.
Started work on an opate after seeing the rules
Made a lot of mistakes but we still cool
>>96062706#96065558
Post your model/s now :^)
>>96066097I had 3 boxes ordered and I cancelled them all
I picked up one mk2 box because i had already purchased the upgrade bits for it
>hurrr durrr post ur models
ok doomposters your turn
>>96066095No thats why im laughing lol, The first time i was coping with 40k, now im laughing.
>>96066121>nu mk IIIYou've already lost
>>96066123If anything im using this as a moment to take a step back and enjoy the hobby more, for example im going to make an entire unit of stormwing breaches that are armed with boarding shields and power swords, i dont care if its not legal fuck you im doing it anyway because its cool as fuck.
>>96066129you didn't even realise those were primaris multi melta ? LUL as they say
>>96066137No cause I don't play 40k
>>96066146You couldn't tell from the spinny bit?
>>96066097I'll wait until I get to see how legacies shake out, though chances are it's not gonna be a miracle cure for the Libers anyway.
Chances are my local scene is gonna remain dead anyway, so I'll just keep collecting kits I like anyway.
>>96066097I'm getting two.
>>96066164I thought it looked stupid, but GW does many stupid things besides 40k.
>>96066097HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
...
wait let me catch my breath
ahAHAHA
I don't even know if I'm buying it when it's $199 on black friday because everyone has quit the game.
>>96066121Posting my illegal Tartaros squad.
>>96066097I hope it all gets grabbed up by braindead fucking retard scalpers so they all go bankrupt.
Then at least something good will come from this fucking disaster.
>>96066097No. Not because of the rules leaks but because my position of Saturnine looking retarded hasnโt shifted.
>we wait the long vigil
Where were you what when Horus dropshit massacred the heresy?
>>96066116The "so what 3.0 is garbage, just play 2.0 and keep buying GW" tards don't understand that 2.0 was already a niche game played by 1-in-1000 of the GW customers.
GW customers playing outdated-editions-of-GW-sidegames is like 1-in-500,000 of GW customers. There's no community for it so you can rope maybe 1 single friend in it and there won't be any variety or any fun campaigns or group narratives or any social scene.
>>96066097Is now a bad time to ask if buying the box is a good way to get into the game for the first time?
>>96066234it's the perfect time to ask that. The answer is no. You should not get into the game, particularly not now.
>>96066223I don't mind the actual terminators so much (besides the fact that they're fucking gigantic) but that Saturnine Praetor is one of the ugliest sculpts ever IMO.
>>96066234find an old Age of Darkness box and play first edition 30k with it
why didn't chadaphractii teach tardtaros how to use power fists?
>>96066137>>96066188while were on the subject of melta guns would the 40k devastator ones be heresy kosher if the mk7 arm was removed?
Have we had rhino or vindicator leaks yet?
>>96066256The pack is also not technically kosher, but if your group doesn't handwave small things like that they're fags. I'd say just the arm needs to be removed or altered.
Parroting the other guys point. I was thinking about maybe getting into HH with 3.0 . Iโm not interested in marines but solar aux looked cool. Any indication that they are no longer ass tier in 3.0 like I have heard they are in 2.0?
>>96066256The Black Books used mk7 torsos and arms in kitbashes
>>96066247Play 1.0 against who?
Himself?
2.0 will have a few people who cling on to it for a while, but 1.0 is dead as a game system. The era of people playing old versions of any game system has long gone. Doesn't matter if it's MtG, DnD, 40K, X-Wing, or any other nerd hobby. People play the current version and reminisce about the old ones.
i dont get this list building shit
i just take any number of these? and i dont have to fill all the requirements? or do i have to go buy 4 fucking rhinos now
>>96066293>Play 1.0 against who?People who aren't retarded
>>96066295You take an HQ, it unlocks one. You can bring as much or little in it as you want
>>96066295You don't have to fill any slots.
RAW, a 0-point army with no units is technically legal
>>96066221I'll drink to that.
>>96066094You speak such wise words grandma-anon
I really hate 3.0's unit icons
>>96066293Just get your gaming buddies together and say โhey weโre trying thisโ and plan it out.
My 40K group did a playthrough of 1-7 and now just play whatever.
>>96066301okay so taking 2 hqs in the big fucker gets me 2 of the little fuckers, got it, thanks
>>96066338Centurions and magoses get you 2 auxiliary detachments per pick
>>96066135look who does not have an army anymore
>>96066305>007.M31: the wrong address incident
>GW rewinds to the Dropsite Massacre
>leaks Dropped on a Site Massacre the new release's hype
Poetic
>>96066326And then they say no, like mine did when I tried to argue to stick with 2.0 this morning. Mind you, this is after they spent last night bitching about the loadout lockouts and calling it all AI garbage
Not a doomposter, but I happened to work on my mechanicum army this evening. No idea of what 3.0 will hold, but the models are really cool.
>>96066273true but I feel like the backpack is obscured enough you could reasonably argue it looks similar to mk4
>>96066286black books...
better times...
I don't understand this mindset of people feeling forced to play the newest thing even if it's absolutely shit
Just why
I understand if it's for competitive crap and other faggotry, but why in this part of the hobby
Did the proteus or heavy support squads leak? Its the last stuff i need to find out what my army looks like
>>96066376I think it's because it's actually pretty hard to find games if you're not into the latest stuff. Unless you have a tightly knit club or group of mates to play with.
>>96066321Completely agree, there was nothing wrong with the abstract ones from 2.0, it's objectively a downgrade in readability, especially the new elites icon looks like such a shitty edit.
Considering how it's just marines plastered everywhere over the force org chart it just feels insulting to people who play the other armies.
>>96066369You can honestly argue that for the arm as well. I don't think most people are hyper autistic about every detail being correct. Most of the time you can't tell when the model is on the tabletop anyways. At a glance, the model should look era appropriate. You don't really need to push era accuracy more than that.
>>96066353Look who doesn't have anyone to play with anymore.
Oh, who am I kidding, you never played games.
>>96066063 (OP)>TQ I have no clue what's happening but it's fun to watch
>>96066367>he says, as he posts print slop 3rd party models
>>96066400Do we know what Support Unit (1) means
>>96066400It blows my mind multimelta heavy support squads are the same price as multimelta thallax
>>96066415score X less VP on objectives
>>96066376its because people like
>>96066293 are obsessed with the idea of games being "alive" or "dead" (purely based on what/when the parent releases) and likely can only participate through pickup games with strangers at their lgs
>>96066221I wish. But this is a wide release. Scalpers don't buy large stock in wide releases. If the GW representative is telling stores "you're each getting 3 space wolf boxes total" then scalpers jump on them. Saturnine and Skaventide and the other main starter sets GW tells them "how many you want? 30? 50?" and will keep printing if they sell out. So they're unscalpable. GW would need to lie to every physical and web retailer for saturnine to appear to be limited and get scalped. A scalper might buy 3 or 4 copies shrinkwrap them and wait in case a year from now they make extra on ebay, that's never gonna have any hurt on scalpers wallet.
>>96066376multiplayer games cannot be enjoyed solo. There's no difficulty or interest facing yourself. Finding other people requires playing whatever is new and popular. Chess is vastly inferior to half of the chess variants which are available free and online, but because they're not the 'mainstream option', they never get more than 1/100,000th the players or audience or tournament money.
>>96066234Yes it is, as it is a box set full of models that you can play the game with.
However the game is 3rd edition horus heresy.
>>96066428Do we know how they're calculating VP this edition? Is it like 40k where it is progressive and goes up each turn? Or is it calculated at the end of the game (the superior way).
>>96066412Yeah, I think they're neat, but it's a matter of taste. Sadly GW hasn't published plastic myrmidons and voraxii yet.
Bird up Motherfuckers, Fire Raptor is back to stack bodies
>>96066446it's progressive on the three core missions
>>96066455Isn't the scale of the game way too small to have fliers on the table?
>>96066376As this anon said
>>96066384, it's because most people won't play the old system if a new version is released and the old one gets taken of the market.
Many local game stores have also gone to shit culturally and even though more people are buying models less people are actually playing the game.
>>96066450>3+ armor saveHe gets fucked HARD
>>96066221Nah big boxes get parted out by splitters not hoarded by scalpers.
And the splitters I know are dark on it. If the mk2 box is in the same launch window the box will be fucked, barley make 20%.
To put it in perspective I made close to 40% on my 5 2.0 boxes and still ended up with tons of mk6 noone wanted.
Has Mr Overseer been posted? I checked the last thread and didn't see him
>>96066431If you actually want to play with your models, whether a game is alive or dead very much matters.
Try getting a game of Warmachine these days.
If all you want to do is collect and paint models, then the rules or edition don't matter at all.
>>96066097yeah selling everything but the marines and centurion, basically means the box will pay for itself and I get 40 marines and a character for free. There's something to be said for supporting a terrible ruleset but lets be honest GW doesn't give a shit about community outrage or poor sales, look at AoS.
>>96066463I fucking hate that shit so much.
>>96066397Good point. I do like using mk7 arms every now and then to get better poses. GW discouraging kit bashing for generic units this edition is disheartening
>>96066465>didnt play 1.0 where Fire raptor terrorized the editionOh Anon, the Fire Raptor is not that big, its base is knight size
>>96066406playing HH, playing IH, actually keep on loosing because i suck and im having a hell of a fun time doing it
>>96066465That's why they're not on the table, they show up, do their thing, and leave, they're glorified tokens
>>96066485>knight sizeSo too big
>>96066466>>96066473You can just hop to /awg/ and see how few games they play. As much as I like the lads over there, I get the impression that they spend even more time arguing about rulesets and their respective merits than GW customers do complaining about their business practices.
>>96066452Don't feed the threadshitter looking for (you)s.
>>96066465yes. You basically wouldn't even need a model for flyers in HH3, it's really just a "place token where he starts the turn, place token what spot he's moving to, okay shoot a few heavy bolters within 24" of that spot if you can see anything, then remove your token from the board"
The actual ship model is basically just there to waste customer money.
>>96066485This is also a dead give away of some one who never played 1.0 that keeps saying they wanna go back to it.
Never dealt with knights, fire raptors, or fucking aux dracon transport spam.
>>96066233It can work, it just means spending 2-3 times as much money(you need multiple armies to run demo games) and ~20-50 times more effort per game. Some GW games - Mordheim, BFG, classic Necromunda, 6th WHFB, 2nd & 4th 40K, even GorkaMorka - were worth that investment if you enjoyed them, but I doubt 2.0 will achieve the same status and 1.0 is hampered by the fact the rules are "collector items" now and only exist digitally as mediocre scans.
30K is pretty much dead. Its corpse will continue shambling onwards, there are enough paypigs and clueless newbies that GW's strategy will probably pay off for their shareholders, but the essence of it is gone.
>>96066491You might be lost, maybe
>>96000295 is more your speed.
>>96066473>If you actually want to play with your models, whether a game is alive or dead very much matters.not if you have a gaming group or friends who will play other editions with you
>>96066502>This is also a dead give away of some one who never played 1.0 that keeps saying they wanna go back to it.I never said I wanted to. I just remember exactly how good it was. Its not as strong now, because strike excludes the sponsons.
>>96066503They've successfully killed another golden goose
>Atramentar went from a unit profile to a Prime Advantage
>Iron-Fathers & Warsmiths went from a praetor upgrade to a whole unit profile
>Destroyers ++REDACTED++
It's not that I'm against all this (except for the Destroyers part), but I don't see the consistency.
>>96066502Nah you dumb nigger, I just didn't play with cunts. There's something called respecting your opponent that you can do to ensure you both have a fun time.
>>96066507Your friends aren't a closed ecosystem living in a glass bubble. They'll want to try new things, get bored of others. And in 99% of cases will have their own friends outside your circle that you never interact with.
Their excitement and enthusiasm for a gaming system will be influenced by society as a whole. We're social animals, and we're programmed to try and fit in. If other people stop doing something and start doing something else, it's a very human response to feel pressure to follow their lead. Even if you don't consciously recognise it.
If you have the one group in 10,000 that are all exactly aligned in taste and have no desire to change at all, then lucky you. For everyone else, the reality is that a new edition of any game either means the group migrates to the new system, or if they really don't get on with it, they abandon it entirely for something different.
Does anyone have a good size comparison of all the Dreadnought variants as well as the different Knights?
>>96066551https://minicompare.info/
Praise the Omnissiah!
Still undecided on which traitor Legio to paint this and my Reaver. Originally thinking Fureans but, with your help, I'll let dubs decide!
>>96066539My guess is that some piece of shit suit came in and ordered them to remove all the options they weren't selling as part of the kits late in development, would explain why some units weren't hit as hard and everything seeming so random with what got axed, they may simply not have had time to butcher all the units before the deadline.
This anon
>>96066094 may be onto something.
>>96066573>get a life>also if anyone can identify the leaker pm me Kek assblasted nigger
>>96066450wait, is the jump pack option free?
>>96066573I had no idea who this guy was, in truth I still don't, but now I memetically despise him.
>>96066366Then find a better group because you're *choosing* to associate with retarded faggots. You can make better choices anon.
>>96066117Why 40mm base tho
>>96066573I get the feeling this dude has known about what a shitpile 3.0 was for a long while and didn't say anything at all.
>>96066573Shouldn't have been a GW corpo narc then
>>96066573Man, fuck Pardo.
>>96066573Still hunting that rabbit huh pedro?
>>96066573>I feel the same way >Yeah we did take corpo money and sign an NDALet's see what the tone in his upcoming 3.0 battle reports is like
>>96066608Thats what hqs like praetors have
>>96066594+20 points, it says on the top of the page under the unit name.
The new layout is garbage
>>96066573>I sold out and agreed to be an advertisment for a corporation>why won't anyone think about my feelings?
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>>96066573>also if anyone can identify the leaker pm methe leaker has been doxed on the kiwifarms (they have a WH thread there, too). It's this guy, some romanian (you could tell by the dirty nails) fag called Samuil Hide.
so i was curious about this, so i looked on their article that showed how they ported a raven guard list into 3.0 and claimed that you can easily do the same for you
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/itpl4ywx/rules-in-the-age-of-darkness-how-to-build-an-army-in-the-new-edition/
they convienently chose a list that only has legal loadouts for all of their units
>>96066638Fuck me for thinking wargear options would be in the wargear options section.
It's such a pain to read...
>>96066623not trying to defend the guy but you don't know what you're going to see before you sign an NDA, that's kind of the point
GW can probably sue him into oblivion too if he says anything so i'm surprised he even hints at not liking it
However, trying to get someone else's access to early stuff revoked if fucking unacceptable
>>96066573Translation:
>I haven't been able to ID the leaker for my GW Legal overlords, so I'm going to play up the watermarking as if it's a really serious big deal in the hope the wokies out there will do my witch hunting for me. Hail Hydra. Also I like to suck peen. Sincerely, That Cunt.
>>96066658What a pretty boy
>>96066666I FUCKING HATE MORTIS
>>96066573How many laughing emojis did he get this time?
>>96066666well damn I guess that settles things
FUCK legio mortis
>>96066666well the digits are certainly appropriate
>>96066666Ahhhhhh. A boring colour scheme, but the quints have decided.
>>96066608>>96066637Oh, wait centurions use 32mm? I thought they would use 40mm after 2.0 (I've never bought a centurion model, so kind of assumed they went to 40mm like praetors)
>>96066666FUCK LEGIO MORTIS
>>96066623>CorpoGo back to playing fagpunk.
>>96066645That bastard! I knew I recognized those dirty nails!
>>96066704Praetors also didn't go to 40mm, except the retarded ones in AoD and Terminators
>>96066703No no no no no no no we can't lose another player to Mortis!
>>96066703Part of the fun of collecting for legio mortis is finding a way to make them look interesting after all. Good luck anon, always nice seeing a Titan in the process of being born
>>96066645he can't keep getting away with it!
>>96066637No, all power armors are on 32mm, HQ included. Only the two ugly ones from the Age of Darkness box were on 40mm, they were 'special cases' because GW is full of retards
>>96066666>MortisI bet they have some sick Green nurgle scheme
>googles it>basic bitch tier black and red>kiddies first warframeEw. Those colors aren't enough to even make a harlequin interesting, much less an entire giant titan
>>96066609Obviously, this is objectively true. If you pay attention to the watermarked messages delicately encrypted by leakerchad then this is essentially his problem with Pardo and other influencer types: GW gives influencers money/free shit and they run shill advertising operations for them. Don't even get me started on the female hobbyists of Instagram and the endless free boxes they receive.
If you were a true 30k fan and had advanced knowledge of this edition and STILL created advertising posts for it then you're a sell out and are partially responsible for killing the game, simple as. Heresy Hammer caught some flak for it a few threads back and instantly threw a bitch fit across all their social media platforms (YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook at least). To play the victim when you get called out for it? Pathetic
>>96066706Go back to the catalog nigger
>>96066714Just checked, they don't either, well thays made me a lot happier
>>96066215Ma'am are those power fists and chain fists?
You are BANNED from the premises.
>>96066658I'm on the hiiiiighway to hellllll, hiiiighway to hell... and I'm going downnnn
>>96066703>>96066724Do the bone head, then do candy red pauldrons, and have some corpses hanging from trains
>pano discord is actively deleting clown and any negative emotes from HH news
as if they couldn't get more homosexual than being full of trannies
>>96066706I don't know what game you're referring to but I'm not interested in whatever it is you've got going on there
>>96066658How does the Warbringer feel on board in AT? Is it fun?
>>96066752>PanOpticaHave they banned the mirror emote yet?
>>96066728Pardo has always been a self important cunt.
He runs his influencer invitational tournaments and tries to hype them up as some big deal, but people have largely ignored them, because it turns out Gibraltar is a fucking pain in the ass place to run a tournament.
He got used to being a big fish in a small local pond, and thought he was hot shit.
That's why he switched to covering HH instead of 40K. Not because he has any great love for the game, but because 40k fans largely couldn't give a shit about just one more battle report channel, but there was a comparative gap in the YouTube meta for someone doing the same for HH.
>>96066659That's why you DONT SIGN THE NDA.
DONT TAKE THEIR HUSH MONEY.
if you content is GOOD YOU DONT NEED TO TRY TO RUSH TO BE FIRST
>>96066787too much of a greedy whore
>>96066234It's a fine box if you like the models.
By fine I mean you are not going to get any better from GW, mind you
That guy who leaked the 2.0 stuff from the warhammer world party was a real hero after all
>>96066752>>96066773the word bearers chat is on suicide watch
well the ones who weren't already if you know what i mean
>>96066787>GW>Pay the content creators>its totally not the content creators sucking up to GW for the privilege of early access
>honest wargamer makes a horus heresy channel for the new edition
>new edition turns out to be shit
>uploads a coping video telling people while it may seem bad he thinks the changes will be healthy for the game long term
>equates the 3.0 issues with age of sigmar losing beastmen rather than the actual issue of the fundamental destruction of what the entire game system and community was based upon
I think this is the type of guy nu-30k is aimed at by the writers and corporate, newfags from sigmar and 40k that have no clue what 30k was about before getting into it
>>96066771It's kinda meh. You still need to give it gyro stabalizers and it's a bit cheaper than a warlord but less potent. A reaver is still more useful.
>>96066573Influencers changing their tone en masse
>They expect one of us in the wreckage, Pardo
>>96066787>if you content is GOOD YOU DONT NEED TO TRY TO RUSH TO BE FIRSTYou have zero clue how content creation works
>>96066787They know their content is shit though that's why they want to be first.
They're just an advertisment and they know it.
>>96066792The sad part is, SN Battle Reports has legitimately GOOD content.
The battle field terrain is excellent, the armies are beautiful, the presenters generally have good chemistry. I don't get WHY he decided to cave for the free shit (I don't think it's honestly worth that much) besides the fact he wanted early access to beat the shill YouTube channels, such as that fat fuck Steve from MWG, who will absolutely take the money and pump out slop-reps on ugly tables with ugly armies and barely know the rules (to be fair SN gets a fair number of rules wrong).
He should have had more confidence in his channel. He didn't and now he is going to pay the price
>>96066816that Anon is living pre pervasive algo
can anyone help my retarded self out and send me the breacher page.
>>96066816In all things, even Slop tube, the cream will rise to the top.
If you are relying on Slop Tube ad money you have already lost; SN and all the other channels already have Patreon to provide the bulk of their money. Nothing they generate from their very low amount of Slop Tube hits does anything for them
>>96066678>>96066744Thanks!
>>96066771Couldn't tell you, never used it. No AT scene near me unfortunately, for now at least. It looks bretty cool though.
Anyways, have a Reaver.
>>96066573If you're so immature that you get upset about being called mean words by random people on the internet and have such a fragile ego that you have a crash out over people posting laughing emojis under your posts then you shouldn't be a public figure like he is, just begging for people to treat him like a lolcow.
Especially bad considering how he's STILL trying to narc on that leaker chad to his corpo overlords.
>>96066455Ah yes, mulching Line units en masse because they commonly only have S4-5 weapons to return fire with, intercept is before it's visible, and it isn't on the table for the opponent to shoot naturally.
>>96066837Getting recognised months / years later as having been right, or had the better quality content doesn't matter. Because advertiser's pay for eyeballs on their ads. And more people watch the first video when it's relevant, than will go back and watch old content months after the fact.
If you want money, you need to be out when people are looking for that content.
Imagine a world where a channel is lovingly crafting 8th edition 40k battle reports now, they might be the best 8E battle reports ever made, but it doesn't fucking matter, because all the money that was ever going to be made on 8E content was made 10 years ago by Tabletop Tactics, and Miniwargaming.
>>96066811Bro, even as a AoS player, losing beastmen in 4.0 sucked ass. Infact, 4.0 as a whole still sucks ass. The Scourge of Ghyran was such a nothing burger.
Still sucks less than Horus Heresy 3.0 though.
>>96066850He looks pretty too but also seems like an asshole, like heโd say something nasty or blare his horn loudly before eviscerating you. Maybe reavers just give off that vibe for whatever reason
how about trying 3.0 with 2.0 libers+3.0 profiles at least for marines (mechanicum and solar auxilia might need a much bigger rewriting). Warlord traits as prime advantage for your HQ if you are not using a Praetor. If 3.0 legion trait is new just add it to the old ones, and if few units that got better stats or new options stay as the 3.0. RoW might need some work though.
>>96066805Miniac is still a fag
Put him on the proper base, once i clean him up he should look okay.
My fluff for this guy is
>Young fresh faced seargent
>Ship was slightly late for the calth muster so wasn't hit too hard but still got cought up in the mess
>led a kill squad to board and take a trator navy squadron of three ships and turned their guns on the WB fleet
>Was promoted to opate and sent to command and train some inductii
>Going to have a small force of bekies and a single mkii seargent to represent a vet assigned to guide them
>>96066886I think it's the weird hunched-over look they have plus the constant >:( face. Still, happy to know my reaver looks like he wants to kick someone's ass.
>>96066869No battle rep channel gets enough views to ever attract meaningful advertising money you fucking mong. That shouldn't even be a consideration for SN or ANY batrep channel. They MIGHT make a hundred bucks, a month, from all add revenue from ALL their videos. So the rush to be first, to get a bump in views, is idiotic. You want GOOD content so people sign up for your Patreon. That's how all the batrep channels survive, it's not the pennies they get from Slop tube ad money. They aren't fucking Mr. beast with 10M+ views a fucking video.
>>96066814Pardo
> Youre a big guy huh?The rabbit man
> For you.
Seeing as tartaros power fists are illegal despite the fists being in the box mind you. Do you think GeeDubs heresy division also removed stuff like flare shields from solar auxilia tanks wargear options?
Also struggling to think of a paint scheme for my solar auxilia army, I've based them with leadbelcher but really dont know where to go from there. Was going to use gun metal for armour but no clue what colour to use for the fatigues
>>96066805Miniac 1) did it by mistake 2) tried to whine his way out of it 3) still paints GW shit in a desperate attempt to get views even after they cut him loose.
Miniac is a whiny bitch
>>96066470Yes. He has a whip or power maul
He can join Solar auxilia without fucking up their stats, which apparently is a thing
>>96066573>MS FINSTER MS FINSTER! TJ POSTED THE CODEX AND CALLED ME A FAGGOT!
>>96066921>>96066893Funniest thing about Miniac is that he doesn't even like the 40k setting, hes a fantasy player.
>>96066901Could use some shades or something to add a little more depth to the colours.
>>96066887Seems like an unnecessary amount of work when you could just play 2.0
>>96066951Yeah, I'm going to oil wash him, just goimg to do more models firdt so I can do them at the same time and save thinners
>>96066814>>96066869It's a double edged sword on the attention economy, as it's now a race to which influencer can shit on Heresy 3rd edition before all the others. Even Valrak is doomposting
>>96066666absolutely based choice
>>96066850>why it was drowned in honey...>oh, okay... black flames
anyone got the image of pardo getting bothered over the haha react on his facebook post?
>>96066921Miniac also whined extensively about how age of sigmar is too complicated while playing it at 500 point game sizes. He's one of the last credible content creators ever and also is covered in disgusting facial piercings.
>>96066811the comment replies from him are even worse man
>well those models were old anyway>go play another game I guess, don't ruin my fun!>GW does this all the time so just suck it up>there's still a lot of customization actually>GW is successful because they don't give a fuck about older fans so oh well!>touch grass!Actual cocksucking retard. Imagine coming into a game from competitive age of sigmar and acting like all the existing fans are wrong for being upset their game and hobby got completely fucked up
Have to seen what the "Shield" rule does yet?
>>96066968I feel like Valrak used to be way worse when it came to GW stuff, he's stopped bootlicking as much the last couple of years.
>>96066811Honest Wargamer has always been a disingenuous cunt.
Just compare the image of himself he puts out in his edited YouTube videos, to how he acts on his livestreams. He wants to be seen as a jovial, positive guy. But he's really still that bitter, jaded guy who will never forgive GW for not giving him a blank cheque to run all their online presence himself. He thinks he's a marketing genius, and the fact that GW has grown more, and more quickly after he left eats at him.
Leaker anon, I had a rough day. Can you tuck me in with a blanket of despair by showing some of the Solar Auxilia rules?
>>96067018classic pattern every new GW fan finds themselves in, they sing their praise and act like they can do no wrong because they know nothing else but GW, then over the years they realize oh fuck GW sucks.
>>96066991Lets you use the shield wall reaction which gave you -1S to incoming attacks iirc
Might have been -1D tho
>>96066920Spartans lost flare shields
Did the Apothecary rules leak yet? All I really need to know is if they're still multiple dudes to a slot.
Trying to see how well I can fit my old PotL/Unbroken Vow army into this newfangled detachment system. So far it's been... clunky.
>>96067027Hey man, these days have been shit for all of us.
>>96067027Please tell us the axe boys are doing okay...
>>96067036Damn, welp guess my Malcadors and the leman russ wont have them either then seeing as the spartan lost it
>>96067041They leaked, and they suck. They lost their FnP and now just modify certain tactical status rolls.
I would like to formally offer an apology, concession, and KNEEL to doompostCHADS, I lost, you won, and the price we paid was too high for us both.
>>96067041They were posted earlier in this thread or late last thread.
My suggestion would bent bothering with 3.0 and sticking with 2.0 instead, a good chunk of people seem to be doing that.
>>96067041They're in the previous thread.
The apothecary doesn't heal, his narthexium helps with status effects.
Whenever you would be about to rest for pinning or something like that, he can take a test to juice the squad on space-morphine. If he succeeds, then the squad gets a +2 bonus to the status effects check they were about to take.
Why it can't just be a simple +2 to resist status effects that's always on, I don't know. They apparently designed 3.0 with the goal of adding as much faff in as possible to consume your time.
>>96067066>>96067058We don't know what "Medic!" advanced reaction does.
>>96067049russes and malcador have it in their plastic kits
sorry you get cucked again
it's not like you could've traded the bits for it with your solar aux friend
>>96067041I'm excited to make nearly unpinnable IW 20 mans
Doredeos and the kratos will be good
>>96067075Ah seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding, I'm the Solar Auxilia guy and I know flare shields were in the boxes for the russ and Malcadors. My original question was if rules wise that wasn't going to matter even if the flare shield is in the box seeing as apparently tartaros termies lost access to power fists in their wargear despite power fists being in the box
>>96067055I remember posting about my worries for the new edition, and them gutting the options was a minor concern.
It was minor because I really didn't expect them to be this horribly fucking retarded and actually go through with something this obviously bad.
Guess I jinxed it.
Anyone have a guess at how much the splits in the box will go for?
I hope heresy era can still make kino with this shitfest of a book
So Steel Rain is still in, but its both claw pods. They're flyers so they just drop off or pick up units. You'll have to take an aux for them but that's interesting. Honestly you don't even need a model for their rules. Its just deepstrike X inches from your deployment. Not assault but who cares, you just lose a set up and and random bonus. Put normal punchy squads in.
>>96067107but that's just the claw, they were always flyers
can pods also steel rain?
>>96067049Your Russ never had them in 2.0, but I imagine they will stay for the malcador and dracosan because they aren't AV 14.
Did the Flare shield bits come in the Spartan kit? I've never built one.
>>96067086What makes you say this? Elaborate. Show your working out
>>96067071Yeah we do, itโs a weird nerfed fnp where on a x+ you lower the damage you would have taken by 1. Between that and fucking with statuses theyโre still good but arenโt gonna protect you from melee or stronger guns
>>96067107is it possible to assault out of a claw pod?
>>96067107Can't transports only take 1 unit?
Also, are normal drop pods just flyers than crash into the ground or something like that?
>>96066121Here's an unpainted auxilia russ I've assembled. Currently trying to figure out what kind of colours I want for it.
Not actually played Heresy yet, going to be the "auxilia guy" at my locals assuming there still is one after this.
Oh fuck yeah, Khan finally restocked
Shame they took his bike option, but since they're doing 2nd versions of the primarchs that's almost certainly what he'll get
>>96067114>can pods also steel rain?No, one per turn. 50p to give 10 models deepstrtike.
>>96067147We need the whole rule, part of as an example in Medic(X) doesn't help much. Presumably its triggered on getting shot at least. Maybe punched? but then you have to be the off player.
>>96067155Yes, disordered-no set up or bonus if you get one for charging.
>>96067162Yes, but you take multiple dreadclaws. Any number of flyers can fly in a on a successful roll. Normal pods are not flyers, they are teleporting rhinos.
Howโs 3.0 looking Nostraman bros?
Has anyone seen the deathstorm droppod page. I want to see if it's finally viable
>>96067190One of the 4 good legions
>>96067147> the doctor can render ordnance non-lethal but can't help you against small arms
i just noticed, castellan upgrade doesn't state that it has to be a normal power armor centurion that means i can get a Cataphractii Centurion with heavy weapon and a power weapon.
>>96067194explicitly to a minimum of 0
>>96067190Units themselves are still good and probably better than 2.0 but the tactic is based around melee again
>>96066121put this together today. I for one welcome our box-locked warsmith
I'm doomspiralling here. What is the point of Dark Angels in 3.0 other than taking cenobium and companions with terranic greatswords?
>>96067183Thank you based knower anon. It's nice to know that dreadclaws are almost viable this ed.
>>96067198> non-sanctioned loadoutThanks for catching it champ, it'll be addressed in the day 1 FAQ
>>96067190>Terror Squads retained all options>Raptors lost a few options but the entire squad can get sarge weapons now>Atramentar are a prime benefit that gives deep strike and fear (1)>can avoid the faggy challenge minigame by throwing a tac marine into the fightEasily in the higher tiers now
>>96067202Yeah forgot to add that
>>96067183>No, one per turn. 50p to give 10 models deepstrtike.So post it then
>>96067206Loyalty is its own reward.
>>96067140Hope, thats what
>>96066920It's almost certainly just a typo
>>96067219No, the special rules dont make it either
>>96067171Nigger, what the fuck are you giving James your money when chigchong has it for cheaper and better quality control?
>>96067193>>96067203>>96067213Sick! Should finish my champion Iโd been working on. Love my NL and my melee stuff.
have we seen the anathemata powers on page 35?
>>96067230I'm not poor, don't want to wait 6 months for a package and FW resin for models made in the last few years has been fine, like the TOW lords/heroes
>>96067226do you have the deathstorm droppod rules?
>>96067225Exactly. The Day 0 errata will fix it. And if it doesn't I'm sure Legacies will.
>>96067226what is orbital assault vehicle?
Please don't tell me it's a rule that gives the model with the orbital assault vehicle rule the deep strike rule but only when it deploys while having the orbital assault vehicle ruel
>>96067234Terror squads are genuinely scary now
>>96067242I think if there was an actual prohibition on tartaros taking things, we'd see it in the armoury section.
Instead, there's just a Legion Terminator Melee Weapons section that includes power fists, no exceptions based on terminator type nor mention of it being cataphractii only
>>96067244Probably some shit that gets around deep striking a single unit.
>>96067226suicide it is then
real glad I painted 5 drop pods! Maybe I can use the 2 i'll never be allowed to use to bash in my own skull
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>>96067238It is not about being poor, why give money to a company that constantly shits on itยดs own consumers? Also chong is sending things fast these days as most amerifats are scared of the tarrif orange man
>>96067239its trash, BS2 5d3 S6 Ap4 pinning 1 once per game. Upside is that it can pin before you shoot but each 3 is into a dif target Its so clsoe to good..
>>96067244Ok, I won't it is
>>96067264You can just not play the game
>>96067198That's a Centurion in Terminator armour, not a Centurion
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>>96067256No, orbital assault vehicle is the rule that forces them to deep strike instead of deploying normally and destroys them if you can't use reserves
>>96067261I printed 6, but hey, if your opponent is ok with using them as dreadclaws why not, flyers are basically tokens now. unless they want you to spend $100 to deepstrike a unit...
>>96067206Well Calibanite Warblades are the best they've ever been!
>>96067282Better buy that journal for the master of descent!
(Who will be legacies next edition because no model no rules)
So comparing the Primarch Stats. Lion and Russ are the best Fighters after all.
>>96067291>because no model no rulesOpate
>>96067107fuck I can't put my leviathan in a dreadclaw anymore
>>96067293you know what anon, fair point
it would be funny tho
>>96066938He is a Slop Tube creator he just wants people to like his shit videos
>>96067287>used as dreadclawsDreadclaws don't even use a model anymore
>>96067301I refuse to buy a k-claw
the dreadclaw already made me want to kms putting it together
>>96067213>raptors lost a few optionsLie of the year. Raptors lost the only competitive options. Instead of striking first with dual claws and killing the enemy, now you pay a boatload of points to strike last with powerfists, your squad gets absolutely massacred every single fight.
Challenge mini-game isn't a buff for night lords, the enemy simply won't challenge them. And if NL challenges them and throws a trooper to the enemy, enemy just freekills him with their champ and gets combat resolution, no loss there.
Atramentar deepstrike utterly irrelevant as they can't charge in 3E and DS sucks for non-shooty units.
Terror squads were bad before and are still bad.
NL lost their actual good passive (+1 to wound) and now lose 100% of their legion trait unless the enemy has a status on them (meaning now you're blue ultramarines that must shoot several units into one enemy target or else your damage is non-existent. Enemy can just position so several squads can't combine heavy weapons on him and NL suck balls.)
>>96067276If day one legacies doesn't include Veteran Despoilers I'll riot. They're literally the unit pictured in the icon for Elites.
Also removing transports as an option and making them a whole ass other detachment was retarded. The whole detachment system somehow manages to feel ridiculously limiting compared to the old Force Org Chart.
>>96067291>>96067293That really is the worst part. If no models, no rules and boxlock were consistent across entries it would be one thing, but instead Red Butchers lose combi-bolters and Raptors get Thunder Hammers.
Dad days another victim of GW cutting, the javalin lost access to the MM.
>>96067319Have? Its $132US on the store now.
>>96067326You dont even nee the model. Measure 14 from your board edge, then deploy the dread within 3" forward of that point. Unless your opponents are sticker for glorified tokens having models.
>>96066090I was thinking about getting into HH after getting tired with 40k, what's happening? Everything I hear is doom and gloom?
>>96067343>rob myself of the only good part of the game: the modelsno!
>>96067326Buy a flying stand and put a basket ball on it
It's effectively the same thing
>>96067343I meant the mechanic of using it in game doesn't require you to use a model
>>96067331>Raptors lost the only competitive optionsAre you retarded anon?
>>96067291No, master of descent still doesn't change number of deep strikes per turn, just let's his unit deep strike turn 1 and other units not have to do reserve rolls
>>96066938IIRC most of the influencers they invited were pretty meh on Space Marines, it was a misguided way to launch the Space Marine game
Anybody have the marine conversion weapon profiles?
>>96067292Wrong. Russ is the tier of primarchs where he loses to every single good fighting primarch (F-tier) and loses to all the mids.
Here's the full tierlist for dueling (with cheerleader squads for outnumbered possible)
SS tier: Horus-Ascended (perfect attack+def)
S tier: Vulkan, outnumbered Lorgar (+2A on giga hammer), outnumbered Mortarion (+3 scythe attacks, add to having +1 toughness, +1 wound, enemy crits only working on 6+ and eternal warrior 3 so crits and non-crits normally deal 1 damage, grinds things down), Guilliman (late game with +initiative)
A tier: Horus, Lorgar, Ferrus Mannus, Mortarion* (if not getting +3 attacks),
B tier: Rogal Dorn (wounded on 5+ only not 2+), Guilliman (early game), Fulgrim (1 dmg per hit but going first and getting 9 attacks against slow people like vulkan is fair compensation, but situational as some primarchs arent slow), Angron (charging, otherwise drop a tier), Lion (with Lion Blade)
C tier: Perturabo, DaemonAngron (penalty for crap stats per cost),
D tier: DaemonFulgrim (really crap stats per cost), Alpharius, Sanguinius (encarmine)
F tier: Leman Russ, Magnus, Jaghatai, Corax, Konrad Curze, Sanguinius (spear/moonblade), Lion (with Wolf Blade - Russ even makes Lion suck somehow)
>>96067360exactly
so it gives you one more DS per game
and remember that if you don't get a unit on the board by the end of the game it's destroyed
therefore if you have 3 DS units (well, 4 with him), every time you fail a reserve roll, you lose a unit
>>96067346So you remember all the shit that GW did to 40k?
Pushed basically any model/unit that was not buildable from the box into legacies? Things like libs and chaplains on a bike? They after a while they just nuked legacy units in general?
Yeah that are doing that again, but some how worse, things that are gone for no reason include but are not limited to
>BReachers losing access to volkite and Melta guns>Javalins losing MM>Cents and Preators on jet bikes and outrider bikes gone>Destroyers gone>Terminators cant take fists only power weapons>Lots of faction war gear just fucking goneTHey might show up in legacy but thats just hospice before they will get gutted.
They also cut out rules like torrent for some fucking reason twinlinked is gone.
Basically they are doing the same shit to 30k as they did to 40k.
>>96067360Isn't he also jetpack only?
>>96067378I'll add, it states that only one unit per turn may ATTEMPT a deep strike, so if you fail your roll, you don't get to try again with another
>>96067242Tell me more about the wargear options Erebus
>>96067377Dude...i said Stats.
>>96067301>have we seen the anathemata powers on page 35?
>>96067276How big do you guys expect the legacies and errata docs will be this time?
>>96067397Russ is only good at beating up janitor-tier nameless redshirt characters. But every primarch can kill those. He loses to all the primarchs because everyone has Eternal Warrior 2-3 and going first doesn't matter when they use StrikeLast to wound on 2+ and get Dmg 4-5 on their giga hammers.
>>96067403I'll be honest, at this point i'm expecting legacies to only be units that once had models but are no longer sold
>>96067403Small, Legacy units are going into Hospice, just like in 8th ed. 4th ed they will kill off legacy units entirely.
>>96067377not in some theory crafting. they have the best stats.
WS BS S etc etc....
I'm not clued up on what's going on but someone said you guys are pissed about the new edition. What's wrong?
>>96067411again....i mean in pure Stats. Like WS BS St and so on.
>>96067377Does Magnus, with his Dmg 4 weapon, and potential initiative 8, hitting on 2s with divination belong in F tier?
>>96067420Everything
Pic related is just the small part of the problem
>>96067292It literally doesn't matter because everyone has a 4++ and eternal warrior (2) or better so any fight involving them is going to go on for ever and be insufferable
>>96067396>Join Chaos and you'll get everything in 1.0 back with updated rules. Pinkie swear.
>>96067417He doesn't have the best stats. just as in Horus Heresy 2, the best stat is simply whoever has the highest Brutal number on their weapon. Dealing 3 wounds per swing is 3x more damage than 1. Russ is a tickle monster, getting like 7 attacks instead of 6 does fuckall when you do 1 wound each (7x1) and he does (6x3) instead. 18 > 7. That's stats.
The rabbit man got caught, pardo went through all their media on discord and compared it to everything posted in the WhatsApp until they found the person lmao
>>96067436>so any fight involving them is going to go on for ever and be insufferableChallenges go on forever until someone who wins a round of fighting decides to stop, or until someone's dead
>>96067436They don't go on forever. They end very quickly soon as a primarch has a dmg 3 hammer with 5+ critical hits and uses the +1 dmg gambit so rolls of 5-6 to hit just autowound for dmg5. Eternal warrior 2 doesnt save them from 3 wounds per vulkan smash.
If you only use the F-tier primarchs like jaghatai, leman russ and corax then fights do go on forever.
>>96067436>>96067442Guys....chill.
You arguments are fine. But i just saying, that they have the best base stats. not talking about weapons, special rules.
just the base stats....and thats it. comparing to the others they are the best:)
>>96067458Talk about desperation, what's the point of this anyway
Does he get a free box of models from GW for it or something lmao
>>96066573I thought the Pardo thing was funny even if I had no idea who it was
Now I think it's funny and earned, what a bitch
>>96067470Same honestly, i have no fucking idea who this Pardo is, but man, fuck that guy am i right?
>>96067167>full autocannonsBased, pom pom all the way
>>96067171>took his bike optionWAIT WHAT
>>96067381>The reason I'm leaving 40k got to HH before me
>>96067486>WAIT WHATThey're just going to do the Horus Ascended/Daemon Fulgrim+Angron thing with him and give him a totally separate profile for his jetbike
Foot Khan is still naruto running around at M10
>>96067475The more I learn about him the less I want to learn about him
>>96067487He can't keep getting away with it!
>>96067381Legacies and legends are not the same thing. Brass scorpions and decimators moved from 2.0 legacies to 3.0 core book units, and legacies were fully supported and event-legal in 2.0. I'm tired of these 40kids and nogames hanging around for drama and doomposting
>>96067458Did he really do that? Because that's pathetic.
Termies won't lose fists, they will come in an add on three years aftervthe new kit
>>96067428Gonna be straight with you, I'm not going to read 18 pages of gay sons psychic powers. If one really just gives his 2 dmg sword 4 dmg, then Magnus jumps up to at least A tier. If not, Magnus does fuckall damage and his initiative is trash unless he's not using the +1 dmg gambit, so he's in Russ situation where Magnus would strike first for tickle damage then enemy simply strikes back 3x harder and insta-kills him.
>>96067508They better, I'm expecting the shiny new bikhan model
>>96067520>Legacies and legends are not the same thing.anon they are the same fucking thing with a different name, if you actually think they are not this is some peak fucking cope.
They are going to be going the way of the dodo.
>>96067530Where are people even seeing the termie and consul profiles? They're not in the imgur leaks in the OP
>>96067527Leakerchad got swatted as Pedro claimed he was making threats against his family
>>96067541They aren't
Legends are explicitly not meant to be used in competitive play and are untouched with points costs from 2 edition ago
Legacies are explicitly legal units. They even got more balance attention in 2.0 than liber units did for some fucking reason
They are only the same if you play with retards
>>96067487Rabbit man is an oldfag from before tg was a thing and is very amused by the situation
Surprised not many people mentioned how much stupid bloat each consul being its own entry is
>>96066822What are you smoking?
Pardo deliberately cheats and misinterprets rules in his favor, he constantly, CONSTANTLY talks over his guests. Dudes a fucking dweeb ass loser.
Commission painted armies look nice though.
>>96067562They were in 2.0. We don't know how much GW's stance has changed now. A lot has changed.
>>96067562>This much copiumANon, they did the SAME FUCKING THING to 40k Legends units.
Legends when they originally came out where completely legal and you totally could use them anywhere you want, then guess what happened, they fucking nuked legends into the dust.
If you think they wont do the same thing to legacies then you are blind.
>>96067570Which is why my preferred bat rep channel is Winters SEO to see all the beautiful Den of Imagination (tm) painted armies!
>>96067420GW completely butchered the game and took all the fun customization options out.
Practically half of everyones armies have illegal loadouts now, if you've ever converted a unit even slightly from the basic box loadout you're fucked.
They also squatted destroyers and a bunch of consul options along with ALL bike, jetbike and terminator armours for consuls. Praevians get a single bolt pistol as a loadout now as an example.
>>96067577>Legends when they originally came out where completely legal and you totally could use them anywhere you wantno they were fucking not, stop lying
Tuning in for the day - Have we had a new central drop/folder flr all the leaks now? Since the one from last night's no more
anyone got the contemptor sheet?
i need the points for those big bitches to see if its worth them taking a whole aux slot
>>96067577The leaked tactical journal proves they are going to keep adding kitbash models as legit options
>>96067598yes they were lol, in 8th ed they said yeah these units still exist and you all can totally use them. Then in 9th they went into hospice and then after that they fucking died.
>>96067466Kevin Rountree fucks his wife and he's allowed to watch from the cuck chair.
>>96067616Ah yes just like they said we could keep using the models we have, which was a fucking lie.
Until i see it in my hand, i dont believe that's the case.
>>96067568that's probably th funniest thing about them claiming they've streamlined it, they literally don't have the competence to actually design it with less bloat. For instance they could have one entry for tactical marines and just grant every version aka breachers, assault, despoilers, support and heavy support access to different armouries. But no they try to do a wargear list for every unit, while losing options.
>>96067541They actually aren't.
Legends aren't legal at tournies at all, you need to ask permission from your opponent to use them, and they NEVER get updated.
Legacies are legal at tournies, don't require permission, do receive updates, and may get put in books down the line.
>>96067583Anon Winters also cheats and fucks up rules to his benefit all the time. The only good batrep channels left are Soul Forge (not super narrative, but good models and British chaps having fun), and Heresy Era (super narrative, high production value, videos are too short for my liking)
>>96067625Go drink some water and get some sleep, this isn't healthy for you
>>96067547Hope it goes to court. I want a lawyer to have to hold a blown-up PARDO IS A FAGGOT stamped across nerd shit for a bunch of normies.
>>96067636Yeah and legends started out as legacies as well.
Then they changed it.
Like i said you all can keep coping thinking that legacies are safe but they are not.
>>96067428I missed his force being damage not strength, yeah at Dmg3 and with a strike-first gambit he becomes identical to The Lion's placement long as he passes his psychic test. Has to strike first to do 2 wounds per attack, but can strike first at the end. That'd put Magnus at bottom of B-tier. Still not as good as people with Dmg3 + crit or Dmg3 + shred, and Magnus has sucky 6 toughness, sucky 6 wounds, average 7 WS and a mere 6 attacks.
If Magnus fails the psychic test he immediately drops to F-tier for that round, overall he's C-tier unless there's some weird psychic gimmick elsewhere.
Lion has a dmg3-4 sword but WS8 instead of 7 (magnus hits on 5+) and he has 7 attacks instead of 6. And his strike-first on the final round of the gambit strat is on par with Magnus gambit.
Magnus can help his 5+ to hit primarchs by using the divination gambit to hit on 2+, but then his weapon is dealing 1 wound to any primarch, not 2-3 after eternal warrior, and then he's initiative 8 (so striking last against someone like fulgrim). Magnus is over-reliant on gambits each to fix his bad statpage. Can't have good WS and good strength and good toughness and good wounds and good attacks and a good dmg weapon.
>>96067646I think you're right that they will end up being fucked, but every point you've brought up has been wrong. Legends was never Legacies.
ALL MY HOMIES CONVERT MINIS
HOMIE FUCK PARDO
>>96067562If you can't see which way the wind is blowing despite everyone telling you and insist on running damage control for this shit then you deserve to get fucked over.
>>96067639I was obviously being sarcastic, I don't watch any bat rep channels
>>96067660I means coming down the pipe and its blatantly obvious because this is exactly how it started in 40k.
>>96067547No way that's real.
Seriously guys my legion has nothing going for it - I'm pretty burned out
>>96067527Yeah lol
I know rabbit man, Pardo pinged him in the WhatsApp and posted a load of comparison pictures and rabbit man laugh reacted it and was then kicked
>>96067679I feel extraordinarily lucky to see that my legion's trait got *better* and applies to literally everything
>>96067683Based rabbit man.
Pardo's wife thirsts for him.
>>96067683who's rabbit man?
>>96067646In case your only experience with the game is foaming at the mouth when you see the prefix "leg-" and posting here, 40k had Imperial Armour in 9th, which was legal for tournament play. They added Legends for out of print models that they weren't going to rebalance, those were not tournament legal. Over the course of 9th more things were added to legends. 10th rolled around and almost everything in imperial armour (basically everything not plastic) went to legends, immediately stated as not tournament legal. I'm still mad I lost all my forge world units in 40k, but heresy is a different rules team and legacies are a different format.
>>96067625By Kitbashed models they mean 'buy a scorpius and also a tarantula so you can put them together and make a different unit'
or 'just buy the rapier kit to not use the rapiers'
They don't mean convert your consul with whatever gear you want
>>96067646And you can keep dooming all you want. If they remove legacies units I'll keep playing them
>>96067707>They don't mean convert your consul with whatever gear you wantYeah thats my point lol
Im just staying with 2.0 im not falling for this shit again.
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>>96067683the meltdown is admittedly pretty funny
>>96067331You realise thunderhammers go before fists
>>96067690oh we playing guess who
hmm, he's not dark angels, he's not nightlords, he's not salamanders, he's not sons of horus, he's not iron warriors, he's not imperial fists, he's not word bearers, he's not deathguard, he's not emperors children, he's not space furries, he's not white scars, he's not alpha legion, he's not iron hands, he's not world eaters, he's not blood angels, he's not iron hands
no clue on thousand sons
he's maybe ultramarines, ravenguard,
>>96067700The leaker who warned us of the coming enshittification of HH.
He's probably cost GW millions in sales for saturnine lol.
People all over the place are saying that they are cancelling their pre-orders and won't be picking up the box now.
>>96066234The only way you're getting in cheaper is proxies or printing, so if you want the models it's fine.
It's just a matter of if communities survive the rules. It could be dicey. I know the main organisers in mine, which has traditionally been really strong, are considering sticking with 2e or pulling the plug vs moving to 3.0 though.
>>96067213>fear (1)Impact(I), so sudden strike. +1I when charging, Really big this edition since it means you go before your opponent in mirror matches.
>>96067190We are now a melee legion utilizing combined arms tactics, rather than a gunline.
>>96067331No.
Yes: Raptors lost twin claws and subsequently wont be as good at killing 1w power armor. No, that does not make them bad now. If youre desperate to go at I you still have glaives (the +S is now relevant since rerolls are gone and wounding is actually hard now) or power spears/swords (or even single claws). Thunder hammers now mean you are insanely powerful when fighting terminators and the equivalent, theyre fast and keep impact(initiatie) so they strike at initiative 3 with thunder hammers. They trade with cenobium knights and go before enemy thunder hammer terminators. Thats big.
They also have a very high vanguard, so theyre now a solid scoring unit (unlike other legion assault vets).
>Atramentar DS irrelevantDS is only half the prime benefit. The EC legion trait is the other half. DS is also still fine for positioning, just put the unit somewhere safe behind enemy lines and use it to set up a charge next turn. Maybe contest an otherwise safe objective.
>enemy can justNothing, unless theyre IW, automata or malefic they WILL be statused. Even primarchs are within reach now. Fear(1) plus suppressive(2) - like from a 40pts rapier battery - and a primarch is testing vs cool(7). Phosphex is panic(3). The new dreadnought has pinning(3). Getting statuses on units is entirely realistic in 99% of cases, and if you get that status and get into combat with them? You now wipe the floor with basically every unit in the game. Raptors will mop the floor with justaerin, firedrakes, cenobium, companions, you name it if they have a status effect on them.
Yes, NL are now a combined arms force, we now have to put more effort into triggering our legion passive. The payout is much higher than before.
>>96067707The master of descent has access to the entire officer wargear section, he's as kitbashed as they come
>>96067679I'm actually feeling better. 2.0 is free. GW can't hurt it. I am free of their whims, and they can hurt me no longer.
>>96067746thunderhammers make the unit horribly expensive and go after all the weapons that full-kill a unit of weak 3+ armor save raptors before they get to swing hammers.
>>96067754>proxies or printingOr buying the models on ebay for 25 bucks as box splitters weep trying to sell the garbage models for this garbage edition
>>96067750Rabbit man and the leaker are seperate people.
Rabbit man doesn't know the leaker
Question for WB in 2.0:
Re Tainted Weapons, which do you usually take for a melee praetor? I'm on the fence between one of them or keeping the Paragon Blade to be honest.
>>96067749White Scars went from +1M to +2M, and it applies to everything whenever you want during your turn
M9 tacticals are sweet, but +2" to guys like dreads, tanks and bikes is just awesome
The auxiliary detachment being 2 jetbikes and 2 outriders is nice and easy too
>>96067736Gold, him plastering "Fuck Pardo" insults and slurs all over the leaks was amazing.
hey quick q allegedly there's drama about HH3e. Is it a nothingburger getting milked by grifters or an actual problem with the game
>>96067784Its actually a problem, large parts of peoples armies are getting squatted.
>>960677752.0 tainted weapons are dogshit and not worth taking on anyone over a powerfist
>>96067768Yo do now you have WS5 and +1i on the charge, do you?
There's no thing stopping you from taking power weapons and hitting first against MEQs and vets if that's what you want
There's nothing stopping you from taking THs and killing terminators before they get to attack
Doomposting is one thing but saying these are bad is absolutely retarded
>>96067650Force doubles a characteristic, so heโd be D4. I donโt think using the Divination gambit stops him from taking a willpower check to do Force?
>>96067776>tanksLAs don't apply to tanks
>>96067784Yeah the game is fucked, don't buy 3.0 if you were planning to.
>>96067784It's a mix of:
A) There are a few typos that are getting people up in arms, stuff that's clearly in error like terminators not being able to take power fists
B) Some units had their wargear options changed in oddly arbitrary ways
C) Some units are being moved to Legacy, which doesn't change a lot but does mean they're not in the libers so we have no clue if they exist or not (A lot probably do, some probably don't)
>>9606778440k tourists are still (rightfully) bitter about losing FW units in 10th so they're doomposting that legacies suddenly = legends despite never having played 2.0 themselves. Their efforts are working, unfortunately, because most of the vocal posters here seem to live their lives waiting for something to write angry customer service emails over
>>96067762Imagine being a GW rule writing slave. Removing all options is very clearly not their idea, but they just do as they're ordered. God what a nightmare monkeys paw job.
>>96067755+1 WS temporarily only in melee in a small situation is lower payout by far than +1 to wound melee and +1 to wound shooting at same time and has a very high chance of failing. NL units aren't all fear2 and fear is just 12" and status aren't "99% reliable" unless you're putting 3-4 units into each 1 enemy unit. Then you're spending 1000 points to attack 200 points of enemy. Wooh huge payoff! And only in melee and still worse than +1 wound. There's zero benefit to nightlords shooting, the entire army got significantly weaker. And lost night battles on top of it.
>>96067806Don't worry good sir, I am a Walker :^)
>>96067768>thunderhammers make the unit horribly expensiveTheyre night raptors, they were always horribly expensive.
>go after all the weapons that full-kill a unit of weak 3+ armor save raptorsLol
10 dark furies get 30 attacks hitting on 4s wounding on 4s. This ends up at around 4 night raptors dead (yes I didnt bother with crit, but I also rounded up 7.5 wounds to 8 and frankly that probably balances out).
6 night raptors get 18 attacks back hitting on 4s killing on 2s, this ends up at around 8 dark furies dead.
Dark furies are one of the best "mass AP3 attack" units out there in the game. They are a specialist at that shit. They do much worse into heavy armor like terminators than night raptors.
Night raptors still do fine (and will win against equal numbers - if not points -of them).
Night raptors are not a cost effective marine blender, they are not a specialist unit like dawnbreakers or furies or whatever else. They are now a versatile and powerful melee elite that can do basically any job well provided they dont get shot off the board (the real threat to them).
>>96067814>stuff that's clearly in errorThe thing that shows up in no fewer than two unit entries?
The thing that had to be written, formatted, proofread and approved?
The sheer number of fuckups required for this is high. Them being dumb fucks and actually making a retarded change is much more likely, and assuming it's a mistake (and so will be fixed) is just copium.
I'm genuinely curious to see where people's lines are. surely "The Libers will fix it" meme has taught you something.
>>96067820If the legacies doc drops and all consuls are box locked you bet your ass I'm coordinating with locals and putting a patch together. I think the core rules look fun and until proven wrong I'm taking GW at their word that old armies will be supported.
>>96067817Talking about angry customer mails, maybe we should tell GW and their investors how we feel about their new edition.
>>96067817Sure, legacies might work the same in 3.0 as they do now.
But we said that about consuls. Fool me once...
>>96067835You've truly never played a GW game if you're suddenly holding up their proofreaders as the gold standard, never having left repeated errors in a publication previously
>>96067835Yeah because those options exist in the armoury section for terminators and copy paste is clearly a thing being used
>Them being dumb fucks and actually making a retarded change is much more likelyYou really think it's more likely that tartaros and cataphractii suddenly have no legal loudouts at all in their plastic kits besides lightning claws?
>>96067784There's plenty to be angry about
They removed a tone of wargear options and character entries.
That's the kind of shit that made a ton of people leave 40k and come to 2.0
No they are doing the same shit here by forcing the retarded miniature loadouts on consuls
A lot of the rules changes are also incredibly retarded and they are pushing challenges like their life depends on it when they are boring as shit if not actively worse for the game
>>96067854Oh, I'm aware of the many errors, yes.
I'm also aware of the many retarded decisions. I spent 3 years being told GW would fix hammers and dreads any day now, and look how that went.
>>96067838>GW at their word that old armies will be supported.Wasn't this exactly what they did with legends units in 40k before killing them off?
>>96067856It's even more obviously an error because cataphractii DO have access to the section clearly titled "terminator weapons options"
>>96067835yeah anyone who thinks the terminator thing is a typo is fucking coping.
>>96067856>You really think it's more likely that tartaros and cataphractii suddenly have no legal loudouts at all in their plastic kits besides lightning claws?Good thing they did not tease a new cata box recently :^)
Its happening new cata box is coming out and guess what, it will have only power wepaons lol.
>>96067864They already made them not playable in matched games and basically unusable with the points to being with
>>96067856Well, unlike you I read the leaks, so I know Cataphractii do indeed use the terminator melee weapons list.
>>96067867Except cataphractii CAN take power fists, so you're being a histrionic faggot over nothing
>>96067864No, they kept quiet about it before suddenly dropping an article about how Imperial Armour was not returning and everything in it was now Legends (unless you're custodes)
>>96067856>You really think it's more likely that tartaros and cataphractii suddenly have no legal loudouts at all in their plastic kits besides lightning claws?Cata still have access to all their weapons and the weapons they don't have in the box
>>96067867>Its happening new cata box is coming out and guess what, it will have only power wepaons lol.Please don't try to prove your right by banking on anon's mistake, we don't need retards on both sides.
>>96067872new rules says they can take power weapons, if you are actually gonna say that power fist is covered under that you are coping fucking hard bro.
>>96067882>new rules says they can take power weaponsAre you seriously getting mad over a leak you haven't read
>>96067883If the leaks are to be believed that i have read, yes.
>>96067856Going by all the other changes to unit loadouts they've made, I would say yes, they really are that dumb.
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>>96067889Did you miss the part where cataphractii can take weapons from the terminator weapon list which includes power fists
>make all major armies ready to go at launch
>create a very clever DLC scheme so you can shit out splats faster and more cheaply
>make lobotomized monkey interns write the rules
>>96067882"Any model may choose from the terminator weapons list" fucking moron
>>96067892Doomers absolutely, utterly, incomprehensibly blown the FUCK out
>>96067882Read nigga, read
>>96067892>>96067900If only Tartaros were capable of such things . . .
>>96067827>+1 WS temporarily only in melee+1WS at range doesent seem very useful
>>96067827>far than +1 to wound melee and +1 to wound shootingNo, thats a lower payout. +1 to wound/to pen is significantly less relevant because in the context of both shooting and melee - especially in 2e - wounding was not generally hard. Every powerful ranged weapon (melta, las, plasma, volkite) wounded its intended targets on 2s already, and while +1 to pen vehicles was nice killing vehicles was already not very hard. In melee the best melee weapons either had shred or significant +S modifiers. Power fists and thunder hammers always wounded on 2s, lightning claws rerolled all failed wound rolls, our legion weapons gave +S on top of this reroll.
It was an EASIER payout, getting +1 to wound was trivial, but it was a less significant benefit.
>NL units aren't all fear2I said fear 1. The only fear(2) unit is curze.
>fear is only 12"So charge range. If you can charge someone, you can fear them, and you get an easier time applying status effects to them (in order to support the charge you are about to try and make).
>and status aren't "99% reliable"I didnt say "99% reliable". A marine with cool(8) will test vs cool(5) or 6 with the modifiers you are bringing, which is likely to fail but not guaranteed. I said that 99% of the time it will be realistic.
>unless you're putting 3-4 units into each 1 enemy unit. Then you're spending 1000 points to attack 200 points of enemy. Wooh huge payoff!A rapier with bolters is 40pts and fires 8 shots of suppresive(2) at the enemy.
>And only in melee and still worse than +1 wound.No. No it fucking isnt. +1 to wound is nice but generally irrelevant with your bigger guns (less so this edition). +1WS turns an even fight into a massacre and lets you stand a chance in places you really shouldnt.
A thunder hammer does not need help wounding, it does however appreciate hitting on 3s and being hit back on 5s.
>>96067906No, that doomer was an idiot. But if you scroll a little further up, there's a coper using the exact same retardation to prove it's a mistake. There are good points on both sides, but retards are everywhere.
>>96067912>get 100%, factually proven wrong>SHILLS SHILLS SHILLS SHILLSJust stop getting mad about things you don't know anything about
You're making up rage bait in your head and then falling for it in one swift motion
>>96067838>until proven wrongJesus anon, what are all these leaks if not proof?
Legacies isn't going to rehash every single unit but with all their old options, it's just not going to happen.
>>96067921I think this is even more proof that it's just a typo for tartaros
>>96067838>I'm taking GW at their wordLike these words:
>The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and theyโve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements โ rather than making wholesale changes.
This game is fucking dead, I'm out
>>96067937see you tomorrow
>>96067930>I think this is even more proof that it's just a typo for tartarosAnd the Tartaros command squad? They managed to fuck it up on both those but neither of the Cataphractii squads?
>>96067930Anon use your eyes and stuff huffing hopium.
Cata's have VERY specific rules, as do tartaros.
Catas start with volkite chargers, and can take heavy melee.
Tartaros don't. This is consistent across both the base squad and command variants.
Theyre releasing new kits but we just got the rules first.
So what's the Legion tier list looking like?
>>96066573Sub 6ft energy
kek
>>96067941Yes? How do you think they make these anon?
They copy paste the page and change the title and points
If they fuck up the first one they are gonna fuck up the second one too
>>96067957Okay, I clearly can't break your delusion.
But when the F.A.Q., Errata, or Legacy profile doesn't come, Remember that in the face of all these retarded decisions, you chose to cope and believe this one was a mistake.
>>96067827>. There's zero benefit to nightlords shootingYes, the benefit is now in melee, as enabled by your shooting.
>the entire army got significantly weakerAll of our units either remained the same or got actively buffed. Our special weapons got better (both in the abstract and comparatively). Raptors now dont suck.
>And lost night battles on top of it.Yes, and that sucks. We are no longer a ranged supremacy army.
We are now a melee supremacy army, and will probably be rather good at that instead.
You have to keep in mind that while we lost some toys so did everyone else. DA lost +1 to hit with swords, space wolves lost +1WS on the charge, UM dont get +1 to hit any more. SoH no longer have -1S in the first round of combat. Combat is now - generally - a much more even playing field between the legions and that makes our ability to get an advantage even more significant than it would be before (although +1WS is insane, as every 2.0 space wolf player will tell you - or rather deny and then abuse with varangyr and leviathans)
Also, and this is somewhat minor comapratively. Our ability to abuse challenges is amazing. We can issue a challenge and if we get refused our legion trait activates, winning the combat basically on the spot. If the enemy accepts then we substitute our character for a rank and file model, force them to waste a character killing one dude, and win the combat by having our character mince their unit. They then fail LD, fall back, and next turn we fight with our legion trait procced anyways.
>>96067802reading on it more, Magnus if he rolls any doubles on either the Force test or to use any psychic powers, he usually would get Stunned and automatically go last in melee as all models with a status on them. So his weapon usually being Dmg4 is great, but his bad weaponskill, toughness, wounds, attacks, base initiative and stunning himself make it a lot less impressive. He seems very high risk - high reward, whereas people like Vulkan/Horus are low risk, high reward.
Definitely taking Magnus out of F-tier though. He's probably top of C as a duel brawler (understandable as his main value is as a spellcaster with a lot of non-dueling utility.)
>>96067930If they meant to put the terminator melee weapon list on there, why would they give an option to take a single claw? That's on that list. That's not a typo bro, they didn't forget an entry. They chose not to put it on.
>>96067935Wholesale changes is a vague and unhelpful description, but yes I do think that 3.0 core rules are an improvement on 2.0 without changing the spirit of the game
>>96067925We'll see, I'll be disappointed if I'm wrong but I'm not going to sit in here throwing a bitch fit before then
do we have what deflagerate does yet?
>>96067967Sure thing anon, what ever you say
It's not a typo from the retarded new formatting
The easier explanation is that they are making a new kit they haven't shown, unlike the cataphractii one, and they are restricting the tartaros equipment to fucking power weapons. Something they've never done with any terminator unit before. And they are giving us the rules for that new kit they haven't shown instead of the old ones.
Even though it's called the 'Legion Terminator Melee weapons List' and not the 'Legion Cataphractii Terminator Melee weapons List'
That's clearly the most fitting explanation
You are not being retarded at all
>>96067993Same as 2.0, but (X) indicates the strength of the extra ap - hits
>>96067377>Konrad CurzeNo shot. Curze has Damage 3 crits, going to 4 with the finishing strike gambit. Thats big, its the breakpoint for "primarchs take 2w instead of 1"
>>96067980my units didn't remain the same, they took away the striking first with double lightning claws and made the units worse.
Striking last and costing a ton more
Our shooting got exponentially worse (no +1 to wound) while our melee is a sidegrade (+1 WS is better than +1 wound in some situations and worse in others), overall that is a downgrade.
If you need multiple shooting units to support one melee unit, the enemy can just focus-fire your overpriced thunderhammer melee unit and now you just have several weak shooting units that have no racial traits at all.
I realize you're a retarded optimist but NL are dumpster-tier in HH3 no matter how many times you post lies.
>>96067985Damage stat, removal of two-weapon fighting and all associated rules, removal of sweeps, complete redoing of army building, complete redoing of challenges, removal of the consul system, removal of RoWs, removal of warlords and warlord traits, removal of easily half the options in the game and reworking of leadership and addition of statuses.
That doesn't count as wholesale changes?
>>96066063 (OP)>Another "fuck melee" edition>Can't charge as far>Free overwatch reaction before charging>Chainaxes are now a sidegrade instead of an upgrade>Chainaxes are free for everyone>Still get a legion rule for free chainaxes>Tactical squads can't take chainaxes>Caedere weapons nerfed>Rampagers nerfed and lost jumppacks>Red butchers lost weapon options and still look like they'll get their shit slapped by basic legion terminatorsI guess I'll just keep painting my illegal army and check back in 3 years to see how bad the next edition is.
>>96067952Well, we need to see if Loyalists have a counterpart to True Believers.
>>96067993Unsaved wounds with that rule cause an extra hit with X S and Ap-
>>96067377You dont get reaping blow in challenges.
>>96067997The easier explanation is
"They removed these options and GW is retarded".
Because the first is clearly observable and requires no guesswork, assumptions, doomposting or cope. It merely describes what's right in front of us. It is literally the simplest possible explanation.
The second part is an inference, but it tracks.
>>96068004>>96068016They changes this rule for the explicit reason of giving the Moritats serpenta extra hits with -1S
While also making them +1S to begin with...
>>96068008you fucked up the math. Curze has damage 1 no matter what. Critical Hit is on the HIT roll and skips the wound roll, so SHRED never combines with Critical Hit.
That means even if Curze uses strike-last gambit, he deals 1 damage + 1 crit + 1 strikelast, minus 2 for EW and deals 1 total damage but strikes last.
If Ccurze uses strike-last gambit and doesn't crit, t hen he deals 1 damage + 1 shred sometimes + 1 strikelast, and deals only 1 total damage.
Curze is F-tier against everything with Eternal Warrior 2 (which is every single primarch)
>>96068024You are not being retarded at all
>>96067867I'd be willing to bet you're half right, the new cata box will come with only chargers and power swords.
Fists will be in the Cataphractii Melee Weapons Upgrade Box(sold seperately).
Obviously they can still take fists.
Is it true that the Siege Breaker doesn't do anything in these leaks?
>>96068039>so SHRED never combines with Critical Hit.Critical Hits specifically count as a 6 to wound for an other rules
The cohorts got more of a writeup in the new liber than in the old one. So idk maybe that's nice or maybe you don't think it matters ymmv
Does anyone have any requests for comparison images?
>>96068041You're the one insisting that what you're literally seeing can't be true.
>>96068039You know for someone trying to insist he's the primarch expert you're really retarded. Critical hits count as 6s to wound. Last time I'm spoon feeding you.
NO NIGGA WHAT IF I DONT WANT FUCKING THUNDERHAMMERS ON MY RAPTORS WHAT IF I WANT TWIN LIGHTNING CLAWS BECAUSE THEY'RE COOL AND FLUFFY
TLDR:
Fuck James im playing with old customization at my tables or im not playing at all.
>>96068014Its a shame because WE have such a cool trait
>>96068010>, they took away the striking first with double lightning claws and made the units worse.No, raptors are much stronger than they were in 2.0. As shown before they beat night furies decisively. They also now beat terminators decisively.
Into regular legion termies (cata, why not)
30 attacks, 20 hits, 17 wounds, 8/9 dead terminators. Before any of the terminators get to swing. A cata terminator with thunder hammer (or power fist) is equal in cost to a night raptor.
2 terminators back.
4 attacks, 2 hits, 2 dead.
They even do well into legion elite terminators now.
>Our shooting got exponentially worse (no +1 to wound)Thats marginal, not exponential, because the most powerful shooting didnt care about that in the least anyways. Lascannons and volkite still wound on 2s.
>our melee is a sidegrade (+1 WS is better than +1 wound in some situations and worse in others)Lolno. +1 to wound and +1WS are in no way equivalent. Dear god.
>>96068039Anon, please read what critical hit does.
Critical hit, like rending, counts as an unmodified 6 for the purposes of rules which care about the wound roll, like shred. A crit will always shred, its why several weapons (like sevatars and kharns) have both of those rules.
When curze crits he adds +2 damage, so 2/3 of the time in primarch duels. Still wont let him beat the lion or whatever, but its solid.
>>96068051you're right. That's new. Usually GW does autohits skipping wound roll effects. Curze then escapes from fail tier then. Dealing 2 wounds each makes him much better than the tickler primarchs.
>>96068067Use them as twin claw vanguard vets? They have very similar rules and costs.
>>96068014Butchers got a mad buff though? EW(1) means fists and hammers 2 hit them instead of 1 hit them, so it's a 100% survivability buff against their biggest threats.
>>96068083They're night raptors
>>96068013That's why I said "wholesale changes" is a vague and unhelpful term. There have been big changes, but they feel like targeted improvements (core rules specifically), not a shift like "vehicles have toughness and wounds now"
>>96067952Bit early for that. A lot of wargear has been changed so be prepared to wait to see how effective some traits are
>>96068092Then we're never going to agree. I find the core rule changes to be almost as egregious as the liber fuckups.
>>96068014The fuck are you talking about?
Charges are basically the same
The 'free overwatch' is 5-10 bolt pistols most of the time and you also get to shoot twice with yours in a turn
The average charge is longer and you can charge out of rhinos
Chainaxes are very much a buff if you take 8 out of 10 guys with them and they are limited compared to the units you can take them on
The LA is fantastic in an edition when no one else gets +1A for charging
Red butchers got a massive buff, they were fucking unplayable las edition
>>96067900Why can you take 12. Thatโs so weird
>no digital rulebook
>physical only
This is super duper, just great, everyone loves buying ยฃ5,000 rulebooks that will have to be amended on the day of release and which are planned to become obsolete within three years anyway. Whenever I need to correct a table with a broken leg I know Games Workshop has my back.
>>96068048He comes with a cognis (artillery spotting), augury (ignore shroud), and unlocks phosphex for some units (rapiers confirmed, probably arquitors)
>>96068090That would be "you should buy a new unit of raptors now equipped in edition compatible ways".
Theres no purchasing (consooming) here, just using models you already own.
>>96068089Yes, and? Reavers, rampagers, raptors, (now) furies, suzerains, dawnbreakers, theyre all just veterans. Theyre the unique legion varieties of veterans, but still just veterans. Raptors are just NL jetpack dudes with cool helmets, theyre not some super special secret thing.
>>96068087Doesn't matter, could have given then WS 10 and T 8 and five wounds.
There's no point to playing them since they ripped out everything that made them yours.
>>96068092they don't feel like targeted improvements in any way. They're changes for changes sake that make the game worse, such as deepstrikes not being able to charge. Dual wielding not mattering. Charging not mattering. Status inflicted by glances not penetrations. Reactions still not being fixed. Move-and-fire heavy weapons is shitty change. Pistols made entirely worthless. Charging made worse. Sweeps made worse. Terrain rules entirely broken.
You can go suck a bag of cocks with your waffle-language. This isn't them performing surgery to cure a sick game, this is GW performing that surgery you want to chop your ding dong off and then inserting it up your loser asshole and filling your face with botox.
>>96068131Oh, I still get my Phosphex Rapiers?
Alright, my melty has been delayed then.
>>96068137What equipment did red butchers lose? They had power axes and a fist last edition too, the power axes just mega sucked in that edition (they probably suck less now)
>>96068148Lighting Claws and Hammer
>>96068127Lmao cuz they copy pasted from the command squad and fucked that up in this case
Sasuga GW
>retards in this thread will say the new kit has 12 models in it
>>96068140phosphex rapiers are really good btw. 40% chance to make a primarch run away.
>>96068139Nta, but yeah. Loads of rules hugely changed, kept some old rule names for completely new shitty mechanics purely to pretend they're not removing as much as they are, etc.
Anyone saying 3.0 isn't a large departure from 2.0 (whether the rules are 'good'/balanced aside) is huffing glue.
>>96068139this website makes me grateful for my local heresy players
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>>96068128Or you can wait 2 days till the pdf is online like everyone else here
GW books shouldn't be bought even if they were 10 bucks
They don't proof read that shit
>>96068151Tbh I never saw anyone with those, mind you I also just never saw anyone use red butchers because they were absolute garbage.
>>96068128>>no digital rulebookwhat they said that in the community?
>>96068154They didn't though. The command squad lets you take +9, not +7.
7th eddition had tje right idea with its rule book, its the only right idea it had, but still
>>96068170That sure is a weird fucking 9, but you do you anon
When do we start protesting outside Warhammer World?
>>96068174Those books were fucking great and the last time that GW ever layed out a rule book with even half a thought to it.
>>96068154>>96068170Youre all stupid.
They have a max squad size of 12 (bulky 24) because the spartan fits 26 people. So a full squad + character.
>>96068191I'm sure that's not because primarch's are Bulky(6) or anything like that
any idea how fighting with a model that has two weapons (say a fist and a sword) works? Previously you can split attacks but I am not sure how it works this time with how some weapons give penalties and bonuses to attacks. My only guess is that you pick one weapon to fight with this turn and that's it.
>>96068205Primarch + command squad = 26
Centurion + full regular terminator unit = 26
You wouldnt pair up a primarch with normal scrub terminators right?
>>96068209centurions have their own command squads
>>96068206>Previously you can split attacksNo, only horus could do that, had a special rule for it.
>>96068089Now they're day raptors.
>>96068214damn, now I feel like a cheater. At least I wasn't the only one in the group.
much appreciated, anon.
>>96068181Just to walk you through your stupidity:
>>96067900 Anon posts the Cataphractii Terminator Squad, 5 base, +7 for a total of 12
>>96068127 Second anon asks why you can take 12
I assume he means 12 cataphractii, since that's what he's replying to.
1/2
>>96068014>my NL got a lot better>a welcome change, was just hoping they didn't get worse at least>my WE on the other hand...I'm going to lose it
proof
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>>96068181>>960682232/2
>>96068154 Anon says they copy pasted from the command squad and fucked it up
Now, it's possible they copy-pasted Tartaros command into Cataphractii terminators, but surely then they're changing stats, unit sub-types, and wargear (this would also prove the lack of fists wasn't a copy-past mistake)
>>96068170 I say the command squad is 9, not 7
Referring to the Cataphractii command squad, since I read the chain.
>>96068181 You post the Tartaros command squad, which isn't relevant to the conversation
either because you are stupid or disingenuous
And I post the proof in this pic, which is the Cataphractii command, the relevant one.
>>96068189Too bad the actual rules themselves were cancer. Special shoutout to Invisibility, fuck that psychic power.
>>96068218Honestly that could be a really interesting unit idea. Kinda like how all the loyalists have a "this is the secret and forbidden evil dick unit, they are our great shame and we only use them in our darkest times", night lords should have a heroic and noble formation they just dont like using because it doesent fit the vibe. Like their 7th company are just paladins or whatever and get relegated to mop duty most of the time because they dont do war crimes properly.
Obviously the new cataphractii kit will be a 6 model box.
>>96068227Won't surprise me if there's a ton of mistakes GW needs to errata. Reminder that they forgot to include needle pistols as wargear for Primus Medicae in 2.0, when the official model that was sold at the time came with one standard.
>>96068244You know it to be true
>>96068225WE are probably still pretty decent in melee. Rampagers got gutted a little, but if you didnt see them getting nerfed then frankly I think you were a tad naive. Falax blades were an absolute monster last edition, the sort of thing that would absolutely be picked out as a priority change by designers.
Red butchers seem pretty decent now, dont know how well they stack up into other legion terminators, but theyre going to be better than before.
>>96068245Sure, but you also have to accept that's coping. It might prove correct, just as much of the doomposting proved correct.
>>96068235It will be a 12 model snap fit box with fixed poses wielding a variety of power weapons and volkite chargers, baffling everyone
>>96068139sorry I'm not behaving like a histrionic faggot
>>96068252downplaying an issue is no better than up-play it, but it is easier to feel smug and superior while doing so.
>heres your new cataphractii bro
>>9606824890% of the doomposting I've seen is people being illiterate, making wild assumptions, and jumping to conclusions with incomplete information, so I am not exactly paying it much attention any more.
>>96068139>Reactions still not being fixedWhat about reactions hasnt been fixed? Theyve been massively toned down.
>>96068260That's also 90% of the coping.
>>96068174>We don't want to pay $80 for a rulebook that's 60% art and fluff. Just give us a separate rulebook.>GW: we hear you! Here's a three book set of art, fluff and rules! That'll be $80 please.
I am getting appalled at the retardation in this thread
>>96068259nah, those guys don't have volkite
>>96068206It doesn't say in the combat phase.... Unless that's somehow somewhere else where it describes choosing weapons and that specifies you can't split attacks
It also doesn't say how far a step-up move is unless I'm being blind
>>96068245No, anon, there is no mistakes at all
Tartaros are meant to not have weapon options
Cataphractii are meant to be taken in units of 12
>>96068234Wasn't that the point of the red gauntlets? Marines Curze sentenced to death but kept around because they were still useful.
>>96068265Yeah it is completely impossible to have any reasonable discussion about the actual leaks online. Everybody is suffering from mass psychosis and acting more tribal than with politics.
Personally I suspect this also proves that a lot more people started playing in 2.0 than anybody believed. If you actually played most of 1.0 and experienced the 2.0 launch none of this is new. The amount of UM players blowing a gasket over their fulmentaris being gone until the legacies rules finally dropped was quite something. Most of the outrage might be newfags and tourists, but who knows.
>>96068269The Night Lords and World Eaters players are all out, what do you expect?
>>96068279I really don't get why they restricted veteran units to apex detachments if they are just going to make up a guy that gives you easy access to vanguard vets and jump pack retinues
Where's the guy that lets you take ranged vets instead?
>>96068281Do i detect trace amounts of sarcasm here?
>>96068289I remember the 2.0 launch - it was bad, but not this bad. And the changes also weren't this drastic. I think you're right about the number of people joining in 2.0, but there's also been drastic changes and folks on both sides being dumb - it's the perfect (gathering) storm.
>>96068285Nah, those are still just regular NL dicks. I mean "inverted theming"
BA have the whole noble angel thing, but then an evil dick warcrime unit.
UM have the whole noble hero thing, but then an evil dick warcrime company.
Sallies have the whole noble protector thing, but then an evil dick warcrime unit...
NL have the evil dick warcrime thing, they need a noble hero unit for thematic contrast. Like if you misbehave curze will have you assigned to the revelators, a unit of heavy armor shielded terminators that are tasked with holding crucial objectives and protecting the civilian population.
>>96068289>If you actually played most of 1.0 and experienced the 2.0 launch none of this is new.It wasn't as bad with characters but lot of people are acting like this is the end of the game when 2.0 was pretty much the same and no one stayed in 1.0 even with all the initial complains...
>>96068281this but unironically.
>>96068309I think "its all going to be fine, this happens every time" might be a bit premature. 2.0 had a decently robust legacies system, a lot of stuff returned in one way or another. whether 3.0 manages to power through and defend itself on the court will depend on whether it manages something similar.
>>96068303Honestly miss the days that resin models were gatekeeping all the illiterate retards. Worst part about HH getting more popular is the hordes of dumb fucks flooding in.
>>960683091.0 sucked and 2.0 sucked in different ways I think the difference here is that a lot of options are being stripped from the units and armies so naturally the fanbase is gunna riot over things that really shouldn't have changed
>>96068316I think we're also underestimating the sheer damage of the launch. Sure, whole units and a few wargear options were missing from 2.0, but nothing on this scale (IIRC, 2.0 legacies added wargear for reavers and palatine blades, that was all. To do a similar job, 3.0 would need to basically do legacies versions of half the army list)
>>96068316At least we'll find out sooner, as it looks like this time we won't have to wait months for the non-marine libers and a year and a half for militia and daemon rules.
>>96068316They said legacies are on day 1 so it won't take that long to tell
>>96068235It will be 5 models so you need to buy three boxes for a full squad, and you'll have three dudes left over that you can convert into consuls.
Oh, right.
>>96068326sorry, too marine-centric. I'm aware Tech Thralls also got a legacies wargear fix.
>>96068331Justaerin were max 12 for all of 2.0, despite being sold in 5s.
Jfc post speeders already
And whatever the fuck smokescreen does
How come despite all the leaks, we've not gotten full leaks for the Saturnine stuff?
>>96068348They put Saturnine on War-Com you fucking retard
>>96068234Look up Kheron Ophion (rip)
>>96068326Never got the conversion beamers back as an option for forge lords and techmarines, or the servitors they could bring. Vigilator used to have a bolter with special ammo like Seekers, but got it changed into a sniper rifle. Digital lasers are also still missing. Fulmentaris used to have more weapon options than just cyclone missile launchers. DA lost like half their special ammo and such. I could go on. There's a lot more missing than most people realise, probably because at this point the majority of HH players have never even seen any of the 1.0 rulebooks.
But yeah we won't know the full damage until the legacies rules are here.
Well, I have an old 40k IW head that was going on an IH HQ, but I ended up getting one of the old metal IW pad too (that was going on an armistos kitbash that I made during 2.0 but never got around to painting).
Should I make him a meme plasma pistol gunslinger centurion or something?
This isnt to defend the new edition, I dont know if its going to be any good or not, but I think a lot of the negativity is simply because the only things you can really see so far is whats being left out/whats missing.
Its easy to see an option you liked or a unit loadout you used or even an entire unit you had (jetbike commands anyone?) missing and get upset, theres nothing wrong with that even. But how that affects the overall health of the game is not something you can really intuit at that point. You just know that your unit you paid money for and put time and effort into isnt legal, you dont know whether that will make for a better or wose game experience long term.
Every edition has its strengths and its weaknesses, 3.0 isnt going to be different in that regard. The question of whether those strengths make up for the things people are going to miss will have to be answered when people actually get to grips with the system.
>>96068279>can exchange bolt pistol and chainswordHow bold and daring, GW.
>>96068326Oh almost forgot, all tanks no longer had sponson weapons as an option and were forced to have sponson heavy bolters standard. There were a lot of people mad that they had to either try convert their expensive resin sicarans to accept sponsons again, or throw them in the trash.
>>96068305>tasked with holding crucial objectives and protecting the civilian population.What a horrible fate.
>>96068326>but nothing on this scaleIt was much worse than loosing a couple consuls and destroyers.
But even the legacies units didn't have all the options. of the top of my head I'm pretty sure fulmentarus used to be able to take autocannons or combimeltas instead of the missiles. They never got that
But the main complain about 3.0 is that all the HQs got gutted for no reason and if they have an entry on the liber it's really hard to believe that they are gonna have the same entry in the legacies pdf just to say that they actually have access to the officers weapons list or that they can take a bike or terminator armour
>>96068376At least weapon options are piss easy to houserule. Just agree that all consuls can take a weapon from the sergeant melee weapons list and done, don't even need to figure out point values or whatnot.
>>96068279I really don't get why some consuls get to have weapon option and other don't
Are they retarded? What is the point of making the lists if you can't use them?
>>96068376to clarify - I'm talking about wargear specifically. Missing units are far more likely to show up in legacies than missing wargear, and so I make no comment on missing units specifically until I see them. Missing options are far less likely to show up in legacies, so that was my main focus.
>>96068391To make you buy the DLC. Notice how this is just a master of signals with a jump pack but better.
>>96068398Or it's Alvarex Maun made Generic.
>>96068376>is that all the HQs got gutted for no reasonCall me a contrarian but I half like it.
Consuls being too customizable prevents them from having a real "identity" individually. What separates a chaplain and a basic centurion if both can take the same shit? The fact the chaplain gets a bunch of special rules (or did anyways).
3.0 goes too far the other way, but fundamentally cutting down on the options available to consuls is probably a good thing overall. It allows them to be actual specialists with defined strentgths and weaknesses, rather than all characters congregating towards the same loadout.
>>96068391It makes perfect sense anon if you would have read the interviews. The master of descent has rules in a tactica journal, which GW said they wanna use to make people do kitbashes and conversions. The other consuls have official models without alternative weapons in the box, and rules in the libers - of which GW said those will be the off-the-shelves units and options.
No idea why some units like Lernaean still ended up with expanded weapon options though, but GW wouldn't be GW without schizo rules decisions.
>>96068156Excellent, my insistence on owning six of them will not backfire in the slightest, my LGS will not hate me.
>>96068387Yes. That's what fucking gets me
They go out of their way to make the lists that should apply to all consuls, because they all have the same stats
But then they don't use them. The fucking cunts
When we get the pdfs I'm going to edit out all the fucking consuls, remove their weapons points from their base cost and give them all a a bolt pistol and chainsword and the same line from the master of decent
If I share that early enough maybe people won't notice
>>96068405You are a fucking contrarian. Go play 40k if you don't like having options
They are not named characters. There's hundreds of them per legion. Not every fuckin champion has a combi-melta or volkite charger
>>96068405I disagree. Sure, some weapons were more common, but that's ultimately down to some weapons being far too powerful (mostly hammers).
MoS were, in my experience, much less likely to be running hammers, or even high-investment melee in general because the folks I played kept them back and out of the way. Similarly with the Armistos.
>>96068422*Ahem* volkite serpenta, actually :^)
Did Javelin rules leak ? Somebody posted they lost MM...
>>96068422>Not every fuckin champion has a combi-melta or volkite chargerYes, thats the "3.0 goes too far the other way" thing. It takes a fundamentally decent idea (specialist consuls should have defined mechanical identities) but ends up making them cartoonishly and arbitrarily rigid.
A champion being forced to use a paragon blade (rather than grabbing a thunder hammer to thwonk people) is fine, good even. He should be the paragon blade guy. Stuff like being forced to a specific pistol or combi variant is just asinine and silly, and he should have regular options in terms of bolter/shotgun/whatever besides that. Maybe even access to legion equipment like shields.
Can Doredeos still mix arm and back guns?
>>96068405>It allows them to be actual specialists with defined strentgths and weaknessesno? It allows them to be locked to whatever the miniature designer thought looked cool at the time and has nothing to do with their role
>>96068422>They go out of their way to make the lists that should apply to all consuls, because they all have the same stats>But then they don't use them.It's 40ks fault. 30k becoming a mainline game means it's under boxlock rules for printed "army" books. Boxlock varies and sometimes reflects future kits or wierd caveats. It's policy. HH has an out with Legacies as it's digital and free or Journals which are expansions.
>>96068131Anon why did you lie?
>>96068448Basically, every centurion being able to be a generalist melee beatstick is boring and lame.
>>96068454Anon, do you understand there is a difference between "the concept of consuls being limited in loadout" and "all consuls are limited to the singular specific loadout on their model"? Limiting options is good, having none isnt.
>>96068455>it's under boxlock rules for printed "army" books.No it's not, because the praertor and centurions still get to do whatever they feel like and there's a ton of units that are not locked to what is in the box or even what is being sold
They just applied this rule to consuls for no fucking reason
>>96068461The phosphex upgrade is on the rapier itself dumbass. Its 15pts per quad launcher (only if you have a siege breaker).
>>96068463It matches the level of retard that is the majority of the population. You don't wanna know how many AoS and 40k players are completely lost when they look at HH because the unit entries don't have pictures of the models from the box, that they can't find units when they search for "tactical support squad" in GW's webstore...
>>96068468Anon, do you understand that the champion is the Paragon blade guy and literally every other consul is just a centurion with some special wargear or rule that has nothing to do with their weapons?
There is no reason for them to not have access to all officer wargear. It has nothing to do with their role
Even the champion shouldn't be locked to a paragon blade. You should want to take the paragon blade because it's the most restricted and best weapon around, and you are taking a champion for the express purpose of having one, not because it's being forced on you when there are better generic weapons that even sergeants can take.
>>96068405I WILL, YOU'RE ACTUALLY FUCKING WRONG.
>oh they're too customization, how will i ever be able to fucking notice the difference?Fucking their role in your army dumbass,
Anon, me giving say my champion cataphractii armour, isn't ruining the fucking identity of the praetor. giving my primus a bike isn't ruining everything.
it serves two purposes,
1, make you buy their own boxed model
2. make it easy for paste swilling retards
>a good thinglisten anon, a losing weight's good. why not cut off a leg, that'll make you lose wait real fucking quick.
fun fact,
>>96068461 my siege breaker's a cataphraci terminator with chainfist.
nope, now he's a refraction field artificer armoured bastard only.
fucking nice, can't wait for them to sell us a seige breaker (saturnine) and then a seige breaker (tartarus) and then finally a siege breaker (cataphracti)
btw they all have different weapons slightly, that'll be 45 quid plus journal cost, plus tax, liscencing fees plus tip. invalidated in about 3-6 months when the new edition comes out after.
>>96068486>40k players are completely lost when they look at HH because the unit entries don't have pictures of the models from the boxThats weird to me because most units are just tcticals with different gear
Anyone know what the Pile-in move is ?
>>96068277
>>96068461The phosphex unlock is on the rapier sheet, not his, which is why I don't know if it works for arquitors
>>96068510Oh, I see.
Kinda strange to put it there.
Thanks.
>>96068365At least for me the core rules are kinda secondary. There were plenty of balance / core rule issues for me for 2e, but the reason I want to play hh wasn't really for balanced game. The time I spend in the hobby is in painting, assembling, planning out list ideas / how to collect, and playing the game in that order. Even if it was necessary to remove options for GW to make a more balanced game or whatever, that tradeoff is never going to make sense if it harms my experience painting, converting & building, or listbuilding & planning.
>>96068448>He should be the paragon blade guy.Poor take. Champions should represent the best in the legion with their preferred weapon - Swords, spears, glaives, axes, hammers, fists, mauls. They should have some of the most varied armouries, the problem is that the game balance only makes one or two of those be valid choices.
>>96068502Yeah it keeps catching me off-guard too every time it happens. The sheer stupidity in most of humanity never ceases to surprise me.
Since this is also the ATG
Do the Warhounds fit on 40mm bases?
>>96068510Looks like he might?
>>96068523They are on 80mm bases and already pushing it
>>96068532>Arquitor phospex now large blast instead of small>Phospex shells and canister shot gained breaching 5+Damn, they un-fucked phospex.
>>96068523They come with 80mm bases
Anything come out for knights yet?
>>96068532Are vindicators going to be fun this edition?
That's a very big gun to shoot at other tanks with
Reply to this post with your illegal models and I will give you very bad options on how to proxy them in 3.0
>>96068541>>Phospex shells and canister shot gained breaching 5+The bombard was ap2 before
>>96068518Paragon Blades are a category. It has one profile, but they can be any form.
>>96068548Yes, and now that the damage stat exists demolisher cannons can actually fuck up enemy tanks again.
Ordnance means the stat is doubled when stationary, so a vindicator in a good spot can one-tap enemy medium and light tanks.
>>96068564Dam that looms good
>>96068552My former chaplain
>>96068541Here's the Arquitor.
>>96068564I'll say it again, swashbuckling pathfinder is legendary. I think about it when I look at mine. Mine never got paint.
>>96068490>the champion is thisokay but he can be the paragon guy with an X weapon, on a bike, or in terminator armour or jump pack.
you can give him legion unique weapons to make him put him in your unit and boom he's a cool dude, just a big dude in the unit with a master crafted weapon +1 ws and some expectations to fight. that's fun.
he's also a restriction, a tax in previous editions depending on the rite of war. i should be able to make un-optimal choices if i like it.
same with the siege breaker. i want phosphex shells, gotta go him, maybe give him a combi metla or nothing and place him in a heavy support squad, but now he HAS to take the thunder hammer. he can't have a combi weapon. he can't have a light power weapon for dealing with 3+ chaff. he can't have terminator for supporting terminator heavies. (until they sell you the one who can)
30k isn't 40k, i want to be able to build my models, make an army not just fucking select boardgame piece(TM)
>>96068563And still never worth the 220 points + siege breaker it cost to field, with the pathetic 3" blast.
>>96068552My destroyer squad.
>>96068594that's a cool dude,
>>96068588I just hope they come out with plastic Arquitors.
>>96068579>>96068594>40k models>>96068591>Not dual wielding pistolsYou guys got what you fucking deserved.
>>96068586>okay but he can be the paragon guy with an X weapon, on a bike, or in terminator armour or jump pack.This was also an issue in 2.0. Haven't played 1.0 but I imagine there were stupid restrictions too.
>>96068588They overcorrected artillery fucking hard from 1.0
Everything was fucking worthless aside from the one new model they had to sell
>Everybody starts posting 40k models
I think I'm starting to see the problem here.
>>96068581Front armor 13 thank goodness
>>96068574What does ordanance do? Double it?
>>96068581>165pThat's pretty nice
So, uh, how bad are Deathshroud now...?
>>96068602>>40k models
It's clearly mk4
>>96068622Double stat when stationary
>Rapier an artiller gun, doesn't pin people
U wot m8
Lets say I'm a world eater and looking to deep strike the Praetor and 6 Saturnine, do I go with the disintegrators or the plasma cannons? The other hand will be fist and their special flamer.
>>96068581Do you have any of the LoW?
I want to know if any are Stable or they made that rule just for the Fireraptor of all things
What do my TTS rotor cannons do?
>>96068564Ouch, coming out swinging.
>optae with bolt pistol, power sword, and melta bombs>>96068579Tough one, IW right?
>praetor with lightning claw and graviton crusher (the bolter is just greebles)>>96068591>veteran assault squad with hand flamers, volkite serpentae, 2 power mauls, sgt with melta bombs and power fist>>96068594>centurion/master of descent with power fist and power maul>>96068609>centurion/master of descent with power fist and power maul and centurion with power axe, bolt pistol, and cyber familiar
>>96068602you know that yabbadabbadon has been sweating in that armour for ten thousand years.
he's basically just normal Justinian.
>>96068608i have my red book on me,
when models can't take something they explicitly say it. only the signus consul, the vigiliator, praevian, and the moritat explicitly say they can't take bikes, terminator armour or anything like that.
and each of those make a lot of sense not to be rocking it.
but here's the thing do you really think we're only getting a power armour champ? are they going to wheel out a specific legion one for each or for every type?
it's a design by corporate ruling.
the consumer will only buy what we stock and we won't support it until we do.
they could have released a 4e style kit called "consul" has bits to make every consul but they didn't because they wanted to bilk you.
that's all it is, that's all it ever was
So if you don't move the Scorpius, it fires two of these missiles.
Maybe I'll take mine out for a spin again.
>>96068638The grav gun is for that
What I'm surprised is that artillery doesn't cause Stun. There doesn't seem to be a lot of that around
>>96068656>no longer pinsIm selling mine
>no sunkillers
>dreadnought detach sucks my balls
so like how should i kill tanks nowโฆ?
>>96068640Yeah, I have some. I'll start with the Cerberus.
>>96068655>and each of those make a lot of sense not to be rocking it.The vigilator sure, but a praevian with termy armour is a no brainer
And imagine dual combi-volkite mortitat in termie armour
Come on
>>96068671Fellblade is up next.
>>96068552I feel like the answer is easy but go for it anyway
>>96068656They toned it down a lot
Good for balance at least
>>96068671Thanks
>No StableRight, don't know what I expected.
Of course the only 'Stable' vehicles are the fucking planes coming in a mach 3
>>96068677Mastodon coming at you.
>>96068671>It's a super-heavy againThank the emperor.
Thev Saber will be good this edition
>>96068683The Glaive. I don't think I've ever seen one of these in person.
>>96068682It's a superheavy it has stable built in
>>96068683Do you have the Typhon?
>>96068671>Super-Heavy Sub typeThat wasn't on the core rules, was it?
>>96068618>Hasn't been around long enough to remember that early heresy was played using mostly converted 40k models.
>>96068692>>96068694Typhon is here.
I've been considering one of these for my IW myself.
Also anyone else knew this edition was gonna be shit when they made up a new dreadnought that was bigger than a leviathan and put a gun emplacement in the starter box? Definite early red flag
>>96068671That's a pretty nice gun
>>96068468Well, my opinion is that you should kill yourself for trying to excuse the greedy and manipulative behavior of a gigacorpo fucking us over.
>>96068692Do you have that page of the detachments each Consul can bring that I've seen snippets of
>>96068679>contekar with volkite cavitators (RAW they can be in any armor) or cataphractii with volkites and power mauls
>>96068700Sokar Stormbird. I think I have one or two more after this.
>>96068672the moritat is explicitly a destoryer commander, it's why i agree with it and the vigiliator
I kinda agree with you regarding the praevian,, bike's a no brainer but i think it has something to do with him being explicitly a part of the unit, fluff wise it's because for most legions treat them as losers.
but i'm going to go further, master of signals should have options other centurions do.
either way more options are good it's more self expression in your hobby.
>>96068703The early red flag was the date, Anon.
>>96068703I knew this edition would be shit the moment they started showing the new rules while also saying "we're keeping most of the things the same."
>>96068708Yes sir, here's the first page, please standby for the second page.
>>96068693Is that all super heavy does?
>>96068708>>96068724Page 2.
I need to go feed my kid, if anyone has a unit or something they want me to try and find, I will once I get back.
>>96068711Can we see some of the Sicarans? Table of contents made it seem like just the vanilla one and the Venator?
>>96068724oh fucking based i needed that veteran cadre
>>96068713>explicitly a destoryer commanderWhy no terminator destroyers tho?
If anything should be throwing rad grenades around is the guys on the radiation resistant suit
>>96068730>>96068719when ya get back, thanks dad
You can take 13 vindicators from 2 centurions
>>96068733Here, I'll respond to this post with a better image of the base Sicaran in a moment.
>>96068700Is that siege cannon any good in 3.0? Always liked this model but never picked one up.
>>96068740Do you have land speeders and javelins?
>>96068724Terrific - can only summon daemon brutes
So, what does Master of the Legion do?
>>96068749Proteus speeder?
>>96068730>Sieg themed detaxmenThat's pretty nice ngl
And the units don't seem to suck either
>>96068724>Easier access to command squads and veterans and heavy transportsThey actually gave us a reason to take champion, I'm amazed
Not even focusing the 90% of the new rules on challenged managed that
>>96068761Can I see the falchion?
>>96068749can't swap it's heavy bolter.... REEEE. CAN WE NOT GET TO KEEP ONE THING AS IT IS.
>>96068751Let's you take an apex detachment I presume
>>96068747yea that sucks. Hopefully demons can actually ally in and have some interaction with esoterists there
>>96068766>falchionread my mind
>>96068769No, that's any High Command unit
>>96068733Turrets will now be a weapon option instead of separate entries (see decurions).
>>96068730Have we seen tarantulas yet? Or the quad turret?
>>96068660I'm angry shotguns cause Stun. It should be an alternative to a bolter, not a Special Weapon. Oh well, nothing I can do about it.
It shall be wielded by a single guy (the character), and Stun a whole squad
>>96068749f-fucking owie
thanks
>>96068772anon, may i see the decurions?
look at the table of contents page, they're before any other unit
>>96068742>Arcus can take a pintle mount even though it has no cupola
>>96068710huh?
you can convert cataphractii contekars now?
>>96068785Well not angry. More sad like :(
Can we see the esoterist? Weโve seen his powers but not profile IIRC. Just wanna know how many points he is
>>96068796thanks
>not command slotsyeah fuck GW
>>96068761Is this thing even good? Lol
>>96068736>why none of themread the fluff,
pretty sure the deathguard do have one, the grave warden.
>>96068789Im excited to field mine. It not being blast has me a little worried. Hitting on 3s with two shots...
>>96068804Armoured Spearhead didn't die for this. But it died nonetheless
can i see what they've done to the archmagos?
does anyone know?
>>96068785>It should be an alternative to a bolterThey are
Stun(0) is not that reliable
But they are assault so if you are charging in you shoot them twice compared to a bolter
>>96068772a little bummed that the falchion's not a pie plate gun any more but that damage is tasty
>>96068772Can we get special rules?
There's a tone missing from the core rule book
>>96068797In their infinite wisdom, GW has baked wargear effects into statlines and no longer list it except in flavor text.
>>96068781Sorry for the delay, my son threw up.
Thanks to the other anon who picked up requests while I was gone.
Here's the Araknae.
I'm searching for the Tarantulas.
>>96068815You have another 4 laser destroyer shots to go with them
>>96068818Are Volkite chargers assault too?
>>96068833Not leakdad but I shall share some I have liberated
>>96068846yes
Chargers and shotguns are the only other assault weapons aside from pistols that I've seen
>>96068838Whoops. There there anon
>>96068326I find it very funny that they fucked over Palatine Blades in 3.0 the same way they did for 2.0, after having partially fixed them for 2.0 after people complained.
In 2.0 AA became mandatory + they lost jump packs as an option. Both were upgrades in 1.0, people usually chose one or the other.
Jump pack PB came back as a Legacies unit(with mandatory AA), but I don't think they ever got rid of AA being an upgrade.
Now we're back to AA PB being the only choice.
>>96068838No one wants this by the way
>>96068854>FirestormShit that's really good on the moritat
Did somethin else have it or am I misremembering?
>>96068845True, I just like the big gun doing something. I may just add it to my first list and say sorry guys 3.0 begins with maximum neutrons.
This is hard to do without my Destroyers and Deliverers. My TS I am not worried, I have so many tacs and tac bodies but my RG are really elite.
>>96068873>This is hard to do without my Destroyers and DeliverersLegacies is supposedly day 1
>>96068838>Kills the guys using it for a shieldSo dumb
>>96068850I just think it's weird one shotgun can stun a whole squad, is all. No way it is because they are all helping one guy stand back up lol
Have DG and SoH auxiliary detachments leaked yet? I thought I saw screenshots of the legion rites but maybe I imagined it
>>96068326desu my biggest upset is how fucking boring my legion rules are
like I lose maru skara as an option as well as 3rd company elite, which both had cool patterns of outflanking a bunch for MS or spamming implants on 3CE
instead i gotโฆ a detachment of 2 fast attack a vets and a command squad and a hq spam detach that i need to take tranny fulgrim for
>>96068876Did Deliverers get a promotion to books? Because in 2.0 the Exemplerary Battles update came after Legacies IIRC
>>96068870Surprisingly versatile rule. I imagine in Zone Mortalis TSS with volkite or plasma getting shoot and volley without committing to melee is great.
>>96068781>>96068838This is a two parter as well, anon, but here are your tarantulas.
>>96068878>I just think it's weird one shotgun can stun a whole squadStun working off of hits is pretty dumb. It should be wounds at least
>>96068772What does ordnance do?
>>96068749>MM goneFFS this edition is cooked, its getting nickled and dimed on every fucking unit.
>>96068890Part 2.
This is where I'll have to stop for now, my wife just got home from work and it's time to be a good husband.
Have a good night fellas.
>>96068876Yeah I suppose thats true. They would fill out a lot and I could always change Paragon to Logistics.
>>96068884Negative, no dedicated named kit no ink.
>>96068897>sentry melta array
>>96068895Doubles the value listed.
so Ordnance D means it does double the damage, so 8.
>>96068878>>96068891Then again Stun is not that amazing. It might save you from an overwatch reaction but Idk if anyone is even going to bother with that cuz if you are shooting them in the shooting phase they can return fire before getting stunned anyways
>>96068890>Tarantulas are vehiclesHuh, didn't see that coming
>>96068816I played armoured spearhead as my main list
how do you think I feel?
I said for weeks that master of armour is going, my friend were all "no its gonna stay"
then it turned to decurions as command
then it turned to "see the extra detachments first
and oh look, I was right all along
>>96068895Double damage if you dont move, supers always count as not moving.
Just need daemon brute rules then can see how many points my army is but seems about the same as last edition
>>96068903>Negative, no dedicated named kit no ink.None of the Exemplary battle units had kits, they still put a lot of them in the campaing books
>>96068928This is the first edition its become a mainline game. It now as of 3.0 has 40k policy. Journals and PDFs are an exception now. Core Army books need store page entries.
>>96068899Can we get predator and Xiphon? Thx a lot Anon
>>96068935Anon all of the imperial fist legion units have no kits
>>96068938>insert dad that stepped up jokeI shall continue in his stead
>>96068935>its become a mainline gameIt has not
>>96068890>>96068899Thanks, Anon. I hate them, but good work.
Not sure if these are worth it yet.
>>96068928Seekers got rules while destroyers didnโt. Seekers AFAIK donโt have a kit/models. Least destroyers had resin ones
>>96068917Can't you just take a couple command rhinos as HQ's and spam the shit out of the vehicle detachments?
You are missing the one tank with an invulnerable save but aside from that it's even easier to take tanks now, isn't it?
>>96068943They do, the store entry searches and index are borked. Probably reorganize for the new edition. Or a new kit is forthcoming. They will add ink for units that release or change(catas) very soon after launch.
>>96068956I could but I dont own command rhinos, and the master of armour was cool as fuck as he was your warlord
>>96068944Do flayers ignore Heavy in some way?
>>96068955Seekers getting rules without a kit is probably them teasing a plastic kit.
>>96068961Anon those kits were removed when nu mk3 came out because they were for old mk3
Its not really a leak since its of the nz Gw store.
But contents for SA liber
Some stuff missing.
https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60033005001_ENGHorusHeresyLiberAuxiliaCodex3.jpg?fm=webp&w=920&h=948
>>96068971Overpriced half arsed upgrade sprue more likely
>>96068972Fucking hell. It got a lot cheaper and access to a several ap3 guns I think
>>96068979Then its a new one coming out soon. Regardless, exemplary units without a store kit arent in the libers.
>>96068906>centurion/master of descent with bolt pistol and power maul>>96068942>30 centurions with 2 plasma pistols, 3 with vexilla, which can fill 15 allied detachments at the low total cost of 2730 pointsYou were a big reason I bothered to do this
>>96068968Only super heavies
>>96068972Since I'm bothering you... I'll ask for Deimos, Proteus and storm Eagle (and with those we should have seen every unit). Again thx a lot
>>96068056Praevian, just because the comparison is so laughably stark.
OOF
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>>96068999Its actually good
>in 1.0: Can take ashen circle outside of elite slots and they're good
>in 3.0: can take ashen circle outside of elite slots and they're good
>my group is staying in 2.0
FUCK
>>96068972That seem pretty good
>>96069022I'm excited for my double beamer contemptor
>>96069013>Assault vehicleCan you actually charge when it drops you off?
If you're planning to stick with 2.0, don't forget to hit up WarCom and download all the supplementary material and FAQs before GW nuke them.
>>96069028may I have the sicaran battle tank, if you have not posted it already?
>>96069034Yes, its not deepstrike. Being a flyer, it can only exist on the table during your turn.
>>96069013Please can we see some normal mechanicum units. More than half of what we've seen already was named characters.
>>96069053The only thing you need to know about mech is this.
Plasma fusil is AP3 raw, no gets hot, breaching 5_ iirc, AND now you can give it to thallax, not just 1 in 3, but literally every thallax in a squad can get a plasma gun.
If you play mech, congrats you can run iron tide and jsut run nothing but thallax and probably fuck up most armies.
>>96069021What's the range? If it's table wide just stick the chaplain guy in there
>>96069061There were two plasma profiles right? A paired one for mymidons and a single one and the single one was weaker?
>>96069076I dont recall but it does not have gets hot and AP3 raw so like who gives a fuck lol
having speeders cost LESS than they did in hh 2.0 is absolutely insane. losing a MM on javelin is pretty big, but still.
>>96069080a las javelin is like 80 points lol.
Normally i took 2, if i were to play 3.0 i could now take 3 if i can find 30 points somewhere.
>>96069076The single one is weaker, yes. But you are still raping marines with
And they can take multimeltas on the whole squad as well
>>96069080The biggest advantage speeders had was not giving a fuck about anti tank weapons and not being in heavy support a competitive slot, now they're in a competitive slot and anti tank weapons rate their ass
>>96069061I just bought Thallax for my RG. I see why they did it, it has 6 specials, 2 of each. I already glued them so I'm sticking with 2 specials.
>>96069080Speeder were really good with gravguns but now those are not exactly great and all the heavy weapons get a downside for moving
I'd say 50p for a couple of fast moving heavy bolters is fine
>>96068908Fighting first is amazing though. Idk if Stun also blocks Volley fire
>>96069080They are also much, much easier to kill
what the fuck does smokescreen do
>>96069061>>96069083>make a kit intentionally stingy on the special weapons>next edition>oops all special weaponsGW wants people to 3d print now?
>>96069034that would actually rock
>>96069108advanced reaction presumably, I don't have those, just unit entries.
>>96069102>Fighting first is amazing thoughDoesn't Stun only make you unable to do reactions?
>>96068953Sounds fluffy and based
>>96069005A bit ugly but here you go
>>96068260>>96068289>>96068309>>96068365Looks like the GW Internet Defence Force has arrived. I actually have been around for a while and faggots like you were sliming around telling people to stop overreacting to GW combining all the Specialist Games magazines under Fanatic(beginning of the end of SGs), and to the Gathering Storm fluff(we were absolutely correct to fear what it would mean), to the terrible army book balance in 7th WHFB(it ruined the game and permanently depopulated the community) and about the terrible army building and pricing in 8th WHFB(which was the final straw and killed the game) AND about the End Times(do I need to spell this one out?) AND about the jokerules for AoS 1.0 AND about the faggy "no more points" thing for AoS 1.0(yeah that edition was *great* wasn't it...). The doomers have been right more often than they've been wrong and the fact you chirpy poofters *still* insist on this attitude of smug superiority as if you're better than the rest of us because you're wilfully ignoring the writing on the wall that's plain to see. And then when the doomers are proved right, you all scurry off back under the skirting board and never once admit you're just a bunch of cucksoomers who'll wrap your brain into a fucking hyperpretzel if necessary to justify continuing to paypig.
>>96068945>>96068993>>96069006There is still the chance that Destroyers get access to dual plasma pistols, but I am not holding my breath.
If I end up being able to run them, awesome. If not it will be the 6th time GW has killed one of my lists with an edition change, and I have become exceedingly efficient at burying them and moving on.
>>96069061Plasma fusils should be S6 AP3 D1 no breaching, no gets hit. It is the weaker, controlled safe plasma
Any vindicator news ? I got two recently and I am even afraid to look...
>>96069116Any Status effect makes you fight last in melee
>>96069135DESU its the 3AP that makes it fucking gross.
>>96069131>Macca gracing us with his presenceYou love to see it you really do.
What would you make a large standard for a knight out of? The pole I'll just do a solid brass rod, but not sure what to make the banner from.
>>96069027>command squad 1 - missile launcher, 2 bolt pistol and chainsword, sgt with power scythe and hand flamer, needs 1 more guy>command squad 2 - missile launcher >4 centurions with 2 hand flamers>1 centurion with 2 bolt pistolsCondolences
>>96069150Fuck off I'm not a convict.
>>96069164How large is large
>>96069147Well, in that scenario it was still a special 1-in-3 weapon for Thallax, not an entire squad of them. Plus that breaching 5+ doesn't help it not be oppressive oof
>>96069181But you will bury your snout in shit and root around for whatever morsels of half rotten slop you can find.
>>96069110They weren't even stingy. The kit has 2 each of multimeltas, photon thrusters and phased plasma, which is what the unit was allowed to take, now it's oops just take whatever. As if people weren't already all in on thallax.
>>96069164Aluminum can: cut off the top and bottom and unroll it
anyone have seeker squad rules?
>>96069131You sound like a fag and your shit is fucked up.
>>96068374Makes sense, there's bound to be worlds and occasions where Curze views the peasantry as just and downtrodden and the nobility as the foul element.
>>96066097No, I will not. The rules and mass removal of wargear option making so many minis invalid is a hard pass for me. 2.0 I stay.
>>96069185At least 2/3rds the height of a knight. Not sure if I'll go questoris or cerastus.
>>96069232Ooh, so Seekers are for infiltrating, killing 2+ save commanders and bullying infantry. While Veteran Tacticals of Disintegration are for bigger things
How would you make house-rules for Saturnine terminators in 2.0? Why you need to change all that much?
This game still would have been a flop even with the shitty losses.
Anyone know how the wording for Overload works?
>>96069254W3 and t6 might be too much since they won't be getting ID'd and there's no damage. Maybe t6 w2?
>>96069254> Houserule; everyone who brings anything saturnine has to apply the Shit Taste rule to every unit in his army>Shit Taste: Units with this rule must re-roll successes and can score no victory points.
>>96068552Particularly the one on the left as I doubt the Toxiferno Cannon reexists in 3.0.
>>96069196True, I was thinking of the Castellax weapons.
>>96069254Not sure why youโd want such ugly models in 2.0
>>96069254Heavy Support
Give bombards plasma cannon states
Disruption fists are solarite gauntlets
Particle shredders give instant death
>>96069254its really just making their guns plasma cannons +1. the rest kinda self translates other than stats. W3 T5 is what I would do personally.
>>96069282I am hoping 3d designer chads will make a better version
>>96069280>contemptor with multimelta or plasma cannon?I don't seem to have the contemptor sheet, sorry
>>96069289>>96069293Change the plasma cannon to breaching 4+ to keep it consistent with other plasma in 2.0 maybe?
It's downright criminal that the saturnine termies don't get the tri-barrelled rotor cannons from visions. It wouldn't save the design but I'd love nicking it for kitbashing.
>>96069320yeah, probably. the magna disints need to be just gets hot. Overload(2) means they are DOA
>>96069331Yeah what a shame rotor cannons look kino, do you have the art pic saved?
>>96069343These. Maybe I can find an historical kit that looks similar.
>>96069355>>BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYep that's kino
>>96069355Tortugabay has some, you just have to swap out the hands for rotors.
>>96069403I'm really just interested in the rotor cannons. They are going to go on some of my militia tanks.
>>96066573Who tf is Pardo
>>96066645Every single time!
>>96067276Not even errats and legacies can save this turd
Is it true termites and drop pods canโt deep strike en masse?
Anyone see Recon squads yet?
>>96067377what if demonic fiulgrim uses his 3 D4 attacks with +1D gambit? What if mormal fulgrim uses flurry of blows against primarchs with the high I.
>>96068739Weโre gonna need a bigger armoury!
lmao
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>>96068772>blasts you from 120' away with S12 AP2 and D8 (!)>two times>you are in Shick (Stunned)
>>96066063 (OP)Does anyone have the Tartaros Data sheet I can't seem to find it, same for the table of contents for the loyalists?
cheers :)
>>96067955Hardly needs to crouch down when James Workshop wants gobbling
Is the new book somewhere already?
>>96068497>Anon, me giving say my champion cataphractii armour, isn't ruining the fucking identity of the praetor.Except it is, it just creates two borderline identical beatsticks.
>>96068682Anon, why would they introduce a rule and then give all the relevant things with that rule a way to invalidate it? Ordnance is basically all on the super big guns, why would they even bother with making it "if this stands still" if those units can then ignore it and move and shoot just fine?
>>96068730Damn, the recon demi-company is basically exactly what I needed. Storm battery also looks nice.
>>96070407Only 2 shots bs4 though.
>>96068581Can you share the Xiphon please?
>>96067377Yeah, I don't trust this list at all. First of all, reaping Blow does not work it a Challenge, so there is that which changes several. but lets look at base Mortarion (A Tier) against Russ (F Tier). no Gambits, just to start.
Russ has 7 Attacks, hits on 3+. Has two options for attacks. but against T7 and all the rules (critical autowounds, srtength 8 or 9) both are the same. If Morty uses his unique Gambit the Axe is better, as he wounds on a 2+ (S9). Etiher way Russ does about 2 wounds (1.9) wounds to Morty. Mortarion has 6 Attacks, S8 with Crit 6 (but only matter for the autowound), hits on 5+. That ends up as abuta wound a turn (0.9). So Russ is taking a wound every time they fight, before even Gambits. Russ has +2 to the roll over Mortarion (Silence is -1I and Russ is base I7), and the faster wound loss menas Mortarion stacks negative modifiers faster. Russ can guarantee attacking first with his +5 Gambit, but he would likely just go with FLurry of Attacks to have about 9 attacks, where he would do 2 or 3 wounds to Morty (average is 2.5). How is Russ losing this according to you? I also wonder how you expect Guilliman to also win when Russ can have a +5 or Sanguinius a +4 against him and haing he hit on 5+ with less attacks?
Got banned from the AoD server for criticizing Goonhammer being shills and telling us to just clip all our minis. Lo and behold, they have goonhammer staff as jannies.
