Thread 96066063

Previous Heresy:>>96062706

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

Are you coping, hoping, or roping?

here for the IXth

Do we have the rules for the Saturnine Termies & Dread?

>>96066063 (OP)
>Are you coping, hoping, or roping?
Fucking laughing.
Laughing and how bad this is, how stupid GW is, how its still going to sell well, and how the hobby i loved is getting shit on, again.

We are all bleeding today, have faith.

>>96066063 (OP)
He bakes a new thread. He should've raped Kevin Rountree, if you ask me

>>96066090
First time?

So, are you placing an order for the box tomorrow?

You wouldn't want to disappoint James Workshop, would you?

What date did we set the mass suicide event for and are we doing a meetup or is it independent action?

>>96066063 (OP)
Coping, by playing 1E, the way Bligh intended.

>TQ

ROPED

I can't even get interested in 2.0 or 1.0 as a backup plan. Angron-level hopeless anger.

Started work on an opate after seeing the rules
Made a lot of mistakes but we still cool

>>96062706#96065558
Post your model/s now :^)

>>96066097
I had 3 boxes ordered and I cancelled them all
I picked up one mk2 box because i had already purchased the upgrade bits for it

>hurrr durrr post ur models
ok doomposters your turn

>>96066095
No thats why im laughing lol, The first time i was coping with 40k, now im laughing.

>>96066121
>nu mk III
You've already lost

>>96066121
Ew.

>>96066123
If anything im using this as a moment to take a step back and enjoy the hobby more, for example im going to make an entire unit of stormwing breaches that are armed with boarding shields and power swords, i dont care if its not legal fuck you im doing it anyway because its cool as fuck.

>>96066129
you didn't even realise those were primaris multi melta ? LUL as they say

>>96066137
No cause I don't play 40k

>>96066146
woe

>>96066146
You couldn't tell from the spinny bit?

>>96066097
I'll wait until I get to see how legacies shake out, though chances are it's not gonna be a miracle cure for the Libers anyway.
Chances are my local scene is gonna remain dead anyway, so I'll just keep collecting kits I like anyway.

>>96066097
I'm getting two.

>>96066164
I thought it looked stupid, but GW does many stupid things besides 40k.

>>96066097
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
...
wait let me catch my breath
ahAHAHA

I don't even know if I'm buying it when it's $199 on black friday because everyone has quit the game.

>>96066121
Posting my illegal Tartaros squad.

>>96066097
I hope it all gets grabbed up by braindead fucking retard scalpers so they all go bankrupt.

Then at least something good will come from this fucking disaster.

>>96066097
No. Not because of the rules leaks but because my position of Saturnine looking retarded hasn’t shifted.

>we wait the long vigil
Where were you what when Horus dropshit massacred the heresy?

>>96066116
The "so what 3.0 is garbage, just play 2.0 and keep buying GW" tards don't understand that 2.0 was already a niche game played by 1-in-1000 of the GW customers.
GW customers playing outdated-editions-of-GW-sidegames is like 1-in-500,000 of GW customers. There's no community for it so you can rope maybe 1 single friend in it and there won't be any variety or any fun campaigns or group narratives or any social scene.

>>96066097
Is now a bad time to ask if buying the box is a good way to get into the game for the first time?

>>96066234
it's the perfect time to ask that. The answer is no. You should not get into the game, particularly not now.

>>96066223
I don't mind the actual terminators so much (besides the fact that they're fucking gigantic) but that Saturnine Praetor is one of the ugliest sculpts ever IMO.

>>96066234
find an old Age of Darkness box and play first edition 30k with it

why didn't chadaphractii teach tardtaros how to use power fists?

>>96066137
>>96066188
while were on the subject of melta guns would the 40k devastator ones be heresy kosher if the mk7 arm was removed?

Have we had rhino or vindicator leaks yet?

>>96066256
The pack is also not technically kosher, but if your group doesn't handwave small things like that they're fags. I'd say just the arm needs to be removed or altered.

Parroting the other guys point. I was thinking about maybe getting into HH with 3.0 . I’m not interested in marines but solar aux looked cool. Any indication that they are no longer ass tier in 3.0 like I have heard they are in 2.0?

>>96066256
The Black Books used mk7 torsos and arms in kitbashes

>>96066247
Play 1.0 against who?
Himself?
2.0 will have a few people who cling on to it for a while, but 1.0 is dead as a game system. The era of people playing old versions of any game system has long gone. Doesn't matter if it's MtG, DnD, 40K, X-Wing, or any other nerd hobby. People play the current version and reminisce about the old ones.

i dont get this list building shit
i just take any number of these? and i dont have to fill all the requirements? or do i have to go buy 4 fucking rhinos now

>>96066293
>Play 1.0 against who?
People who aren't retarded

>>96066295
You take an HQ, it unlocks one. You can bring as much or little in it as you want

>>96066295
You don't have to fill any slots.
RAW, a 0-point army with no units is technically legal

>>96066221
I'll drink to that.

>>96066094
You speak such wise words grandma-anon

I really hate 3.0's unit icons

>>96066293
Just get your gaming buddies together and say “hey we’re trying this” and plan it out.
My 40K group did a playthrough of 1-7 and now just play whatever.

>>96066301
okay so taking 2 hqs in the big fucker gets me 2 of the little fuckers, got it, thanks

>>96066338
Centurions and magoses get you 2 auxiliary detachments per pick

>>96066135
look who does not have an army anymore

>>96066305
>007.M31: the wrong address incident

>GW rewinds to the Dropsite Massacre
>leaks Dropped on a Site Massacre the new release's hype
Poetic

>>96066326
And then they say no, like mine did when I tried to argue to stick with 2.0 this morning. Mind you, this is after they spent last night bitching about the loadout lockouts and calling it all AI garbage

Not a doomposter, but I happened to work on my mechanicum army this evening. No idea of what 3.0 will hold, but the models are really cool.

>>96066273
true but I feel like the backpack is obscured enough you could reasonably argue it looks similar to mk4
>>96066286
black books...
better times...

I don't understand this mindset of people feeling forced to play the newest thing even if it's absolutely shit
Just why
I understand if it's for competitive crap and other faggotry, but why in this part of the hobby

Did the proteus or heavy support squads leak? Its the last stuff i need to find out what my army looks like

>>96066376

I think it's because it's actually pretty hard to find games if you're not into the latest stuff. Unless you have a tightly knit club or group of mates to play with.

>>96066321
Completely agree, there was nothing wrong with the abstract ones from 2.0, it's objectively a downgrade in readability, especially the new elites icon looks like such a shitty edit.
Considering how it's just marines plastered everywhere over the force org chart it just feels insulting to people who play the other armies.

>>96066369
You can honestly argue that for the arm as well. I don't think most people are hyper autistic about every detail being correct. Most of the time you can't tell when the model is on the tabletop anyways. At a glance, the model should look era appropriate. You don't really need to push era accuracy more than that.

>>96066353
Look who doesn't have anyone to play with anymore.
Oh, who am I kidding, you never played games.

>>96066063 (OP)
>TQ
I have no clue what's happening but it's fun to watch

>>96066400
thanks homie

>>96066367
>he says, as he posts print slop 3rd party models

>>96066400
Do we know what Support Unit (1) means

>>96066400
It blows my mind multimelta heavy support squads are the same price as multimelta thallax

>>96066415
score X less VP on objectives

>>96066376
its because people like >>96066293 are obsessed with the idea of games being "alive" or "dead" (purely based on what/when the parent releases) and likely can only participate through pickup games with strangers at their lgs

>>96066221
I wish. But this is a wide release. Scalpers don't buy large stock in wide releases. If the GW representative is telling stores "you're each getting 3 space wolf boxes total" then scalpers jump on them. Saturnine and Skaventide and the other main starter sets GW tells them "how many you want? 30? 50?" and will keep printing if they sell out. So they're unscalpable. GW would need to lie to every physical and web retailer for saturnine to appear to be limited and get scalped. A scalper might buy 3 or 4 copies shrinkwrap them and wait in case a year from now they make extra on ebay, that's never gonna have any hurt on scalpers wallet.

>>96066376
multiplayer games cannot be enjoyed solo. There's no difficulty or interest facing yourself. Finding other people requires playing whatever is new and popular. Chess is vastly inferior to half of the chess variants which are available free and online, but because they're not the 'mainstream option', they never get more than 1/100,000th the players or audience or tournament money.

>>96066234
Yes it is, as it is a box set full of models that you can play the game with.

However the game is 3rd edition horus heresy.

>>96066428
Do we know how they're calculating VP this edition? Is it like 40k where it is progressive and goes up each turn? Or is it calculated at the end of the game (the superior way).

Opate-Kun fucks HARD

>>96066412

Yeah, I think they're neat, but it's a matter of taste. Sadly GW hasn't published plastic myrmidons and voraxii yet.

Bird up Motherfuckers, Fire Raptor is back to stack bodies

>>96066446
it's progressive on the three core missions

>>96066455

Isn't the scale of the game way too small to have fliers on the table?

>>96066376
As this anon said >>96066384, it's because most people won't play the old system if a new version is released and the old one gets taken of the market.
Many local game stores have also gone to shit culturally and even though more people are buying models less people are actually playing the game.

>>96066450
>3+ armor save
He gets fucked HARD

>>96066221
Nah big boxes get parted out by splitters not hoarded by scalpers.

And the splitters I know are dark on it. If the mk2 box is in the same launch window the box will be fucked, barley make 20%.

To put it in perspective I made close to 40% on my 5 2.0 boxes and still ended up with tons of mk6 noone wanted.

Has Mr Overseer been posted? I checked the last thread and didn't see him

>>96066431
If you actually want to play with your models, whether a game is alive or dead very much matters.
Try getting a game of Warmachine these days.
If all you want to do is collect and paint models, then the rules or edition don't matter at all.

>>96066097
yeah selling everything but the marines and centurion, basically means the box will pay for itself and I get 40 marines and a character for free. There's something to be said for supporting a terrible ruleset but lets be honest GW doesn't give a shit about community outrage or poor sales, look at AoS.

>>96066463
I fucking hate that shit so much.

>>96066397
Good point. I do like using mk7 arms every now and then to get better poses. GW discouraging kit bashing for generic units this edition is disheartening

>>96066465
>didnt play 1.0 where Fire raptor terrorized the edition
Oh Anon, the Fire Raptor is not that big, its base is knight size

>>96066406
playing HH, playing IH, actually keep on loosing because i suck and im having a hell of a fun time doing it

>>96066465
That's why they're not on the table, they show up, do their thing, and leave, they're glorified tokens

>>96066485
>knight size
So too big

>>96066466
>>96066473

You can just hop to /awg/ and see how few games they play. As much as I like the lads over there, I get the impression that they spend even more time arguing about rulesets and their respective merits than GW customers do complaining about their business practices.

>>96066452
Don't feed the threadshitter looking for (you)s.

>>96066465
yes. You basically wouldn't even need a model for flyers in HH3, it's really just a "place token where he starts the turn, place token what spot he's moving to, okay shoot a few heavy bolters within 24" of that spot if you can see anything, then remove your token from the board"

The actual ship model is basically just there to waste customer money.

>>96066485
This is also a dead give away of some one who never played 1.0 that keeps saying they wanna go back to it.
Never dealt with knights, fire raptors, or fucking aux dracon transport spam.

>>96066233
It can work, it just means spending 2-3 times as much money(you need multiple armies to run demo games) and ~20-50 times more effort per game. Some GW games - Mordheim, BFG, classic Necromunda, 6th WHFB, 2nd & 4th 40K, even GorkaMorka - were worth that investment if you enjoyed them, but I doubt 2.0 will achieve the same status and 1.0 is hampered by the fact the rules are "collector items" now and only exist digitally as mediocre scans.

30K is pretty much dead. Its corpse will continue shambling onwards, there are enough paypigs and clueless newbies that GW's strategy will probably pay off for their shareholders, but the essence of it is gone.

>>96066491
You might be lost, maybe >>96000295 is more your speed.

>>96066473
>If you actually want to play with your models, whether a game is alive or dead very much matters.
not if you have a gaming group or friends who will play other editions with you

>>96066502
>This is also a dead give away of some one who never played 1.0 that keeps saying they wanna go back to it.
I never said I wanted to. I just remember exactly how good it was. Its not as strong now, because strike excludes the sponsons.

>>96066503
They've successfully killed another golden goose

>Atramentar went from a unit profile to a Prime Advantage
>Iron-Fathers & Warsmiths went from a praetor upgrade to a whole unit profile
>Destroyers ++REDACTED++
It's not that I'm against all this (except for the Destroyers part), but I don't see the consistency.

>>96066536
yup

>>96066502
Nah you dumb nigger, I just didn't play with cunts. There's something called respecting your opponent that you can do to ensure you both have a fun time.

>>96066507
Your friends aren't a closed ecosystem living in a glass bubble. They'll want to try new things, get bored of others. And in 99% of cases will have their own friends outside your circle that you never interact with.
Their excitement and enthusiasm for a gaming system will be influenced by society as a whole. We're social animals, and we're programmed to try and fit in. If other people stop doing something and start doing something else, it's a very human response to feel pressure to follow their lead. Even if you don't consciously recognise it.

If you have the one group in 10,000 that are all exactly aligned in taste and have no desire to change at all, then lucky you. For everyone else, the reality is that a new edition of any game either means the group migrates to the new system, or if they really don't get on with it, they abandon it entirely for something different.

Does anyone have a good size comparison of all the Dreadnought variants as well as the different Knights?

Alfatuomeguh

>>96066549
Cope

Pardo responds

>>96066551
https://minicompare.info/

Praise the Omnissiah!

Still undecided on which traitor Legio to paint this and my Reaver. Originally thinking Fureans but, with your help, I'll let dubs decide!

>>96066539
My guess is that some piece of shit suit came in and ordered them to remove all the options they weren't selling as part of the kits late in development, would explain why some units weren't hit as hard and everything seeming so random with what got axed, they may simply not have had time to butcher all the units before the deadline.
This anon >>96066094 may be onto something.

>>96066573
>get a life
>also if anyone can identify the leaker pm me
Kek assblasted nigger

>>96066450
wait, is the jump pack option free?

>>96066573
I had no idea who this guy was, in truth I still don't, but now I memetically despise him.

>>96066573
What a faggot

>>96066366
Then find a better group because you're *choosing* to associate with retarded faggots. You can make better choices anon.

>>96066117
Why 40mm base tho

>>96066573
I get the feeling this dude has known about what a shitpile 3.0 was for a long while and didn't say anything at all.

>>96066573
Shouldn't have been a GW corpo narc then

>>96066573
Man, fuck Pardo.

>>96066573
Still hunting that rabbit huh pedro?

>>96066573
>I feel the same way
>Yeah we did take corpo money and sign an NDA
Let's see what the tone in his upcoming 3.0 battle reports is like

>>96066583
Osedax

>>96066608
Thats what hqs like praetors have

>>96066594
+20 points, it says on the top of the page under the unit name.
The new layout is garbage

>>96066573
>I sold out and agreed to be an advertisment for a corporation
>why won't anyone think about my feelings?

>>96066583
Mordaxis

>>96066573
>also if anyone can identify the leaker pm me
the leaker has been doxed on the kiwifarms (they have a WH thread there, too). It's this guy, some romanian (you could tell by the dirty nails) fag called Samuil Hide.

>>96066583
Homebrew legio

so i was curious about this, so i looked on their article that showed how they ported a raven guard list into 3.0 and claimed that you can easily do the same for you
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/itpl4ywx/rules-in-the-age-of-darkness-how-to-build-an-army-in-the-new-edition/
they convienently chose a list that only has legal loadouts for all of their units

>>96066638
Fuck me for thinking wargear options would be in the wargear options section.
It's such a pain to read...

>>96066583
Lanikasara

>>96066583
Fureans!

>>96066623
not trying to defend the guy but you don't know what you're going to see before you sign an NDA, that's kind of the point
GW can probably sue him into oblivion too if he says anything so i'm surprised he even hints at not liking it
However, trying to get someone else's access to early stuff revoked if fucking unacceptable

>>96066583
Mortis

>>96066573
Translation:
>I haven't been able to ID the leaker for my GW Legal overlords, so I'm going to play up the watermarking as if it's a really serious big deal in the hope the wokies out there will do my witch hunting for me. Hail Hydra. Also I like to suck peen. Sincerely, That Cunt.

>>96066658
What a pretty boy

>>96066666
nice digits.

>>96066666
Fukken lol

>>96066666
I FUCKING HATE MORTIS

>>96066573
How many laughing emojis did he get this time?

>>96066666
well damn I guess that settles things
FUCK legio mortis

>>96066666
well the digits are certainly appropriate

>>96066666
Ahhhhhh. A boring colour scheme, but the quints have decided.

>>96066608
>>96066637
Oh, wait centurions use 32mm? I thought they would use 40mm after 2.0 (I've never bought a centurion model, so kind of assumed they went to 40mm like praetors)

>>96066666
FUCK LEGIO MORTIS

>>96066623
>Corpo
Go back to playing fagpunk.

>>96066645
That bastard! I knew I recognized those dirty nails!

>>96066704
Praetors also didn't go to 40mm, except the retarded ones in AoD and Terminators

>>96066703
No no no no no no no we can't lose another player to Mortis!

>>96066703
Part of the fun of collecting for legio mortis is finding a way to make them look interesting after all. Good luck anon, always nice seeing a Titan in the process of being born

>>96066645
he can't keep getting away with it!

>>96066637
No, all power armors are on 32mm, HQ included. Only the two ugly ones from the Age of Darkness box were on 40mm, they were 'special cases' because GW is full of retards

>>96066666
>Mortis
I bet they have some sick Green nurgle scheme
>googles it
>basic bitch tier black and red
>kiddies first warframe
Ew. Those colors aren't enough to even make a harlequin interesting, much less an entire giant titan

>>96066609
Obviously, this is objectively true. If you pay attention to the watermarked messages delicately encrypted by leakerchad then this is essentially his problem with Pardo and other influencer types: GW gives influencers money/free shit and they run shill advertising operations for them. Don't even get me started on the female hobbyists of Instagram and the endless free boxes they receive.

If you were a true 30k fan and had advanced knowledge of this edition and STILL created advertising posts for it then you're a sell out and are partially responsible for killing the game, simple as. Heresy Hammer caught some flak for it a few threads back and instantly threw a bitch fit across all their social media platforms (YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook at least). To play the victim when you get called out for it? Pathetic

>>96066706
Go back to the catalog nigger

>>96066714
Just checked, they don't either, well thays made me a lot happier

>>96066119
Nice Khan!

>>96066215
Ma'am are those power fists and chain fists?
You are BANNED from the premises.

>>96066658
I'm on the hiiiiighway to hellllll, hiiiighway to hell... and I'm going downnnn

>>96066703
>>96066724
Do the bone head, then do candy red pauldrons, and have some corpses hanging from trains

>pano discord is actively deleting clown and any negative emotes from HH news
as if they couldn't get more homosexual than being full of trannies

>>96066706
I don't know what game you're referring to but I'm not interested in whatever it is you've got going on there

>>96066658
How does the Warbringer feel on board in AT? Is it fun?

>>96066752
>PanOptica
Have they banned the mirror emote yet?

>>96066728
Pardo has always been a self important cunt.
He runs his influencer invitational tournaments and tries to hype them up as some big deal, but people have largely ignored them, because it turns out Gibraltar is a fucking pain in the ass place to run a tournament.
He got used to being a big fish in a small local pond, and thought he was hot shit.
That's why he switched to covering HH instead of 40K. Not because he has any great love for the game, but because 40k fans largely couldn't give a shit about just one more battle report channel, but there was a comparative gap in the YouTube meta for someone doing the same for HH.

>>96066666
FUCK MORTIS

>>96066659
That's why you DONT SIGN THE NDA.
DONT TAKE THEIR HUSH MONEY.
if you content is GOOD YOU DONT NEED TO TRY TO RUSH TO BE FIRST

>>96066787
too much of a greedy whore

>>96066234
It's a fine box if you like the models.
By fine I mean you are not going to get any better from GW, mind you

That guy who leaked the 2.0 stuff from the warhammer world party was a real hero after all

>>96066752
>>96066773
the word bearers chat is on suicide watch
well the ones who weren't already if you know what i mean

>>96066787
>GW
>Pay the content creators
>its totally not the content creators sucking up to GW for the privilege of early access

>honest wargamer makes a horus heresy channel for the new edition
>new edition turns out to be shit
>uploads a coping video telling people while it may seem bad he thinks the changes will be healthy for the game long term
>equates the 3.0 issues with age of sigmar losing beastmen rather than the actual issue of the fundamental destruction of what the entire game system and community was based upon
I think this is the type of guy nu-30k is aimed at by the writers and corporate, newfags from sigmar and 40k that have no clue what 30k was about before getting into it

>>96066771
It's kinda meh. You still need to give it gyro stabalizers and it's a bit cheaper than a warlord but less potent. A reaver is still more useful.

>>96066573
Influencers changing their tone en masse
>They expect one of us in the wreckage, Pardo

>>96066787
>if you content is GOOD YOU DONT NEED TO TRY TO RUSH TO BE FIRST
You have zero clue how content creation works

>>96066787
They know their content is shit though that's why they want to be first.
They're just an advertisment and they know it.

>>96066792
The sad part is, SN Battle Reports has legitimately GOOD content.
The battle field terrain is excellent, the armies are beautiful, the presenters generally have good chemistry. I don't get WHY he decided to cave for the free shit (I don't think it's honestly worth that much) besides the fact he wanted early access to beat the shill YouTube channels, such as that fat fuck Steve from MWG, who will absolutely take the money and pump out slop-reps on ugly tables with ugly armies and barely know the rules (to be fair SN gets a fair number of rules wrong).
He should have had more confidence in his channel. He didn't and now he is going to pay the price

>>96066816
that Anon is living pre pervasive algo

can anyone help my retarded self out and send me the breacher page.

>>96066816
In all things, even Slop tube, the cream will rise to the top.
If you are relying on Slop Tube ad money you have already lost; SN and all the other channels already have Patreon to provide the bulk of their money. Nothing they generate from their very low amount of Slop Tube hits does anything for them

>>96066678
>>96066744
Thanks!

>>96066771
Couldn't tell you, never used it. No AT scene near me unfortunately, for now at least. It looks bretty cool though.

Anyways, have a Reaver.

>>96066573
If you're so immature that you get upset about being called mean words by random people on the internet and have such a fragile ego that you have a crash out over people posting laughing emojis under your posts then you shouldn't be a public figure like he is, just begging for people to treat him like a lolcow.
Especially bad considering how he's STILL trying to narc on that leaker chad to his corpo overlords.

>>96066455
Ah yes, mulching Line units en masse because they commonly only have S4-5 weapons to return fire with, intercept is before it's visible, and it isn't on the table for the opponent to shoot naturally.

>>96066837
Getting recognised months / years later as having been right, or had the better quality content doesn't matter. Because advertiser's pay for eyeballs on their ads. And more people watch the first video when it's relevant, than will go back and watch old content months after the fact.
If you want money, you need to be out when people are looking for that content.
Imagine a world where a channel is lovingly crafting 8th edition 40k battle reports now, they might be the best 8E battle reports ever made, but it doesn't fucking matter, because all the money that was ever going to be made on 8E content was made 10 years ago by Tabletop Tactics, and Miniwargaming.

>>96066806
Kek

>>96066811
Bro, even as a AoS player, losing beastmen in 4.0 sucked ass. Infact, 4.0 as a whole still sucks ass. The Scourge of Ghyran was such a nothing burger.

Still sucks less than Horus Heresy 3.0 though.

>>96066850
He looks pretty too but also seems like an asshole, like he’d say something nasty or blare his horn loudly before eviscerating you. Maybe reavers just give off that vibe for whatever reason

how about trying 3.0 with 2.0 libers+3.0 profiles at least for marines (mechanicum and solar auxilia might need a much bigger rewriting). Warlord traits as prime advantage for your HQ if you are not using a Praetor. If 3.0 legion trait is new just add it to the old ones, and if few units that got better stats or new options stay as the 3.0. RoW might need some work though.

>>96066805
Miniac is still a fag

Put him on the proper base, once i clean him up he should look okay.
My fluff for this guy is
>Young fresh faced seargent
>Ship was slightly late for the calth muster so wasn't hit too hard but still got cought up in the mess
>led a kill squad to board and take a trator navy squadron of three ships and turned their guns on the WB fleet
>Was promoted to opate and sent to command and train some inductii
>Going to have a small force of bekies and a single mkii seargent to represent a vet assigned to guide them

>>96066886
I think it's the weird hunched-over look they have plus the constant >:( face. Still, happy to know my reaver looks like he wants to kick someone's ass.

>>96066869
No battle rep channel gets enough views to ever attract meaningful advertising money you fucking mong. That shouldn't even be a consideration for SN or ANY batrep channel. They MIGHT make a hundred bucks, a month, from all add revenue from ALL their videos. So the rush to be first, to get a bump in views, is idiotic. You want GOOD content so people sign up for your Patreon. That's how all the batrep channels survive, it's not the pennies they get from Slop tube ad money. They aren't fucking Mr. beast with 10M+ views a fucking video.

>>96066573
pardo = faggot

>>96066814
Pardo
> Youre a big guy huh?
The rabbit man
> For you.

Seeing as tartaros power fists are illegal despite the fists being in the box mind you. Do you think GeeDubs heresy division also removed stuff like flare shields from solar auxilia tanks wargear options?

Also struggling to think of a paint scheme for my solar auxilia army, I've based them with leadbelcher but really dont know where to go from there. Was going to use gun metal for armour but no clue what colour to use for the fatigues

>>96066805
Miniac 1) did it by mistake 2) tried to whine his way out of it 3) still paints GW shit in a desperate attempt to get views even after they cut him loose.
Miniac is a whiny bitch

>>96066470
Yes. He has a whip or power maul
He can join Solar auxilia without fucking up their stats, which apparently is a thing

>>96066573
>MS FINSTER MS FINSTER! TJ POSTED THE CODEX AND CALLED ME A FAGGOT!

>>96066921
>>96066893
Funniest thing about Miniac is that he doesn't even like the 40k setting, hes a fantasy player.

>>96066901
Could use some shades or something to add a little more depth to the colours.

>>96066887
Seems like an unnecessary amount of work when you could just play 2.0

>>96066951
Yeah, I'm going to oil wash him, just goimg to do more models firdt so I can do them at the same time and save thinners

>>96066814
>>96066869
It's a double edged sword on the attention economy, as it's now a race to which influencer can shit on Heresy 3rd edition before all the others. Even Valrak is doomposting

>>96066666
absolutely based choice

>>96066850
>why it was drowned in honey...
>oh, okay... black flames

anyone got the image of pardo getting bothered over the haha react on his facebook post?

>>96066921
Miniac also whined extensively about how age of sigmar is too complicated while playing it at 500 point game sizes. He's one of the last credible content creators ever and also is covered in disgusting facial piercings.

>>96066811
the comment replies from him are even worse man
>well those models were old anyway
>go play another game I guess, don't ruin my fun!
>GW does this all the time so just suck it up
>there's still a lot of customization actually
>GW is successful because they don't give a fuck about older fans so oh well!
>touch grass!
Actual cocksucking retard. Imagine coming into a game from competitive age of sigmar and acting like all the existing fans are wrong for being upset their game and hobby got completely fucked up

>>96066850
>>96066975
Based honey legion

Have to seen what the "Shield" rule does yet?

>>96066666
Ok Satan

>>96066968
I feel like Valrak used to be way worse when it came to GW stuff, he's stopped bootlicking as much the last couple of years.

>>96066811
Honest Wargamer has always been a disingenuous cunt.
Just compare the image of himself he puts out in his edited YouTube videos, to how he acts on his livestreams. He wants to be seen as a jovial, positive guy. But he's really still that bitter, jaded guy who will never forgive GW for not giving him a blank cheque to run all their online presence himself. He thinks he's a marketing genius, and the fact that GW has grown more, and more quickly after he left eats at him.

Leaker anon, I had a rough day. Can you tuck me in with a blanket of despair by showing some of the Solar Auxilia rules?

>>96067018
classic pattern every new GW fan finds themselves in, they sing their praise and act like they can do no wrong because they know nothing else but GW, then over the years they realize oh fuck GW sucks.

>>96066991
Lets you use the shield wall reaction which gave you -1S to incoming attacks iirc
Might have been -1D tho

>>96066920
Spartans lost flare shields

Did the Apothecary rules leak yet? All I really need to know is if they're still multiple dudes to a slot.

Trying to see how well I can fit my old PotL/Unbroken Vow army into this newfangled detachment system. So far it's been... clunky.

>>96067027
Hey man, these days have been shit for all of us.

>>96067027
Please tell us the axe boys are doing okay...

>>96067036
Damn, welp guess my Malcadors and the leman russ wont have them either then seeing as the spartan lost it

>>96067041
They leaked, and they suck. They lost their FnP and now just modify certain tactical status rolls.

I would like to formally offer an apology, concession, and KNEEL to doompostCHADS, I lost, you won, and the price we paid was too high for us both.

>>96067041
They were posted earlier in this thread or late last thread.
My suggestion would bent bothering with 3.0 and sticking with 2.0 instead, a good chunk of people seem to be doing that.

>>96067041
They're in the previous thread.

The apothecary doesn't heal, his narthexium helps with status effects.
Whenever you would be about to rest for pinning or something like that, he can take a test to juice the squad on space-morphine. If he succeeds, then the squad gets a +2 bonus to the status effects check they were about to take.
Why it can't just be a simple +2 to resist status effects that's always on, I don't know. They apparently designed 3.0 with the goal of adding as much faff in as possible to consume your time.

>>96067066
>>96067058
We don't know what "Medic!" advanced reaction does.

>>96067049
russes and malcador have it in their plastic kits
sorry you get cucked again
it's not like you could've traded the bits for it with your solar aux friend

>>96067041
I'm excited to make nearly unpinnable IW 20 mans

Doredeos and the kratos will be good

>>96067075
Ah seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding, I'm the Solar Auxilia guy and I know flare shields were in the boxes for the russ and Malcadors. My original question was if rules wise that wasn't going to matter even if the flare shield is in the box seeing as apparently tartaros termies lost access to power fists in their wargear despite power fists being in the box

>>96067055
I remember posting about my worries for the new edition, and them gutting the options was a minor concern.
It was minor because I really didn't expect them to be this horribly fucking retarded and actually go through with something this obviously bad.
Guess I jinxed it.

Anyone have a guess at how much the splits in the box will go for?

I hope heresy era can still make kino with this shitfest of a book

So Steel Rain is still in, but its both claw pods. They're flyers so they just drop off or pick up units. You'll have to take an aux for them but that's interesting. Honestly you don't even need a model for their rules. Its just deepstrike X inches from your deployment. Not assault but who cares, you just lose a set up and and random bonus. Put normal punchy squads in.

>>96067107
but that's just the claw, they were always flyers
can pods also steel rain?

>>96067049
Your Russ never had them in 2.0, but I imagine they will stay for the malcador and dracosan because they aren't AV 14.
Did the Flare shield bits come in the Spartan kit? I've never built one.

>>96067086
What makes you say this? Elaborate. Show your working out

>>96067071
Yeah we do, it’s a weird nerfed fnp where on a x+ you lower the damage you would have taken by 1. Between that and fucking with statuses they’re still good but aren’t gonna protect you from melee or stronger guns

>>96067107
is it possible to assault out of a claw pod?

>>96067107
Can't transports only take 1 unit?
Also, are normal drop pods just flyers than crash into the ground or something like that?

>>96066121
Here's an unpainted auxilia russ I've assembled. Currently trying to figure out what kind of colours I want for it.

Not actually played Heresy yet, going to be the "auxilia guy" at my locals assuming there still is one after this.

Oh fuck yeah, Khan finally restocked

Shame they took his bike option, but since they're doing 2nd versions of the primarchs that's almost certainly what he'll get

>>96067114
>can pods also steel rain?
No, one per turn. 50p to give 10 models deepstrtike.

>>96067147
We need the whole rule, part of as an example in Medic(X) doesn't help much. Presumably its triggered on getting shot at least. Maybe punched? but then you have to be the off player.

>>96067155
Yes, disordered-no set up or bonus if you get one for charging.

>>96067162
Yes, but you take multiple dreadclaws. Any number of flyers can fly in a on a successful roll. Normal pods are not flyers, they are teleporting rhinos.

>>96067048
Anon, I....

How’s 3.0 looking Nostraman bros?

Has anyone seen the deathstorm droppod page. I want to see if it's finally viable

>>96067190
One of the 4 good legions

>>96067147

> the doctor can render ordnance non-lethal but can't help you against small arms

i just noticed, castellan upgrade doesn't state that it has to be a normal power armor centurion that means i can get a Cataphractii Centurion with heavy weapon and a power weapon.

>>96067194
explicitly to a minimum of 0

>>96067190
Units themselves are still good and probably better than 2.0 but the tactic is based around melee again

>>96066121
put this together today. I for one welcome our box-locked warsmith

I'm doomspiralling here. What is the point of Dark Angels in 3.0 other than taking cenobium and companions with terranic greatswords?

>>96067183
Thank you based knower anon. It's nice to know that dreadclaws are almost viable this ed.

>>96067198

> non-sanctioned loadout
Thanks for catching it champ, it'll be addressed in the day 1 FAQ

>>96067190
>Terror Squads retained all options
>Raptors lost a few options but the entire squad can get sarge weapons now
>Atramentar are a prime benefit that gives deep strike and fear (1)
>can avoid the faggy challenge minigame by throwing a tac marine into the fight
Easily in the higher tiers now

>>96067202
Yeah forgot to add that

>>96067183
>No, one per turn. 50p to give 10 models deepstrtike.
So post it then

>>96067206
Loyalty is its own reward.

>>96067140
Hope, thats what

>>96066920
It's almost certainly just a typo

>>96067219
No, the special rules dont make it either

>>96067188
Oh...

>>96067171
Nigger, what the fuck are you giving James your money when chigchong has it for cheaper and better quality control?

>>96067193
>>96067203
>>96067213
Sick! Should finish my champion I’d been working on. Love my NL and my melee stuff.

have we seen the anathemata powers on page 35?

>>96067230
I'm not poor, don't want to wait 6 months for a package and FW resin for models made in the last few years has been fine, like the TOW lords/heroes

>>96067226
do you have the deathstorm droppod rules?

>>96067225
Exactly. The Day 0 errata will fix it. And if it doesn't I'm sure Legacies will.

>>96067226
what is orbital assault vehicle?
Please don't tell me it's a rule that gives the model with the orbital assault vehicle rule the deep strike rule but only when it deploys while having the orbital assault vehicle ruel

>>96067234
Terror squads are genuinely scary now

>>96067242
I think if there was an actual prohibition on tartaros taking things, we'd see it in the armoury section.
Instead, there's just a Legion Terminator Melee Weapons section that includes power fists, no exceptions based on terminator type nor mention of it being cataphractii only

>>96067244
Probably some shit that gets around deep striking a single unit.

>>96067226
suicide it is then
real glad I painted 5 drop pods! Maybe I can use the 2 i'll never be allowed to use to bash in my own skull

>>96067238
It is not about being poor, why give money to a company that constantly shits on it´s own consumers? Also chong is sending things fast these days as most amerifats are scared of the tarrif orange man

>>96067239
its trash, BS2 5d3 S6 Ap4 pinning 1 once per game. Upside is that it can pin before you shoot but each 3 is into a dif target Its so clsoe to good..

>>96067244
Ok, I won't it is

>>96067264
You can just not play the game

>>96067198
That's a Centurion in Terminator armour, not a Centurion

>>96067256
No, orbital assault vehicle is the rule that forces them to deep strike instead of deploying normally and destroys them if you can't use reserves

>>96067261
I printed 6, but hey, if your opponent is ok with using them as dreadclaws why not, flyers are basically tokens now. unless they want you to spend $100 to deepstrike a unit...

>>96067206
Well Calibanite Warblades are the best they've ever been!

>>96067282
Better buy that journal for the master of descent!
(Who will be legacies next edition because no model no rules)

So comparing the Primarch Stats. Lion and Russ are the best Fighters after all.

>>96067291
>because no model no rules
Opate

>>96067107
fuck I can't put my leviathan in a dreadclaw anymore

>>96067293
you know what anon, fair point
it would be funny tho

>>96066938
He is a Slop Tube creator he just wants people to like his shit videos

>>96067287
>used as dreadclaws
Dreadclaws don't even use a model anymore

>>96067301
I refuse to buy a k-claw
the dreadclaw already made me want to kms putting it together

>>96067213
>raptors lost a few options
Lie of the year. Raptors lost the only competitive options. Instead of striking first with dual claws and killing the enemy, now you pay a boatload of points to strike last with powerfists, your squad gets absolutely massacred every single fight.
Challenge mini-game isn't a buff for night lords, the enemy simply won't challenge them. And if NL challenges them and throws a trooper to the enemy, enemy just freekills him with their champ and gets combat resolution, no loss there.
Atramentar deepstrike utterly irrelevant as they can't charge in 3E and DS sucks for non-shooty units.
Terror squads were bad before and are still bad.
NL lost their actual good passive (+1 to wound) and now lose 100% of their legion trait unless the enemy has a status on them (meaning now you're blue ultramarines that must shoot several units into one enemy target or else your damage is non-existent. Enemy can just position so several squads can't combine heavy weapons on him and NL suck balls.)

>>96067276
If day one legacies doesn't include Veteran Despoilers I'll riot. They're literally the unit pictured in the icon for Elites.

Also removing transports as an option and making them a whole ass other detachment was retarded. The whole detachment system somehow manages to feel ridiculously limiting compared to the old Force Org Chart.

>>96067291
>>96067293
That really is the worst part. If no models, no rules and boxlock were consistent across entries it would be one thing, but instead Red Butchers lose combi-bolters and Raptors get Thunder Hammers.

Dad days another victim of GW cutting, the javalin lost access to the MM.

>>96067319
Have? Its $132US on the store now.

>>96067326
You dont even nee the model. Measure 14 from your board edge, then deploy the dread within 3" forward of that point. Unless your opponents are sticker for glorified tokens having models.

>>96066090
I was thinking about getting into HH after getting tired with 40k, what's happening? Everything I hear is doom and gloom?

>>96067343
>rob myself of the only good part of the game: the models
no!

>>96067326
Buy a flying stand and put a basket ball on it
It's effectively the same thing

>>96067343
I meant the mechanic of using it in game doesn't require you to use a model

>>96067331
>Raptors lost the only competitive options
Are you retarded anon?

>>96067348
Valid

>>96067291
No, master of descent still doesn't change number of deep strikes per turn, just let's his unit deep strike turn 1 and other units not have to do reserve rolls

>>96066938
IIRC most of the influencers they invited were pretty meh on Space Marines, it was a misguided way to launch the Space Marine game

Anybody have the marine conversion weapon profiles?

>>96067292
Wrong. Russ is the tier of primarchs where he loses to every single good fighting primarch (F-tier) and loses to all the mids.

Here's the full tierlist for dueling (with cheerleader squads for outnumbered possible)

SS tier: Horus-Ascended (perfect attack+def)
S tier: Vulkan, outnumbered Lorgar (+2A on giga hammer), outnumbered Mortarion (+3 scythe attacks, add to having +1 toughness, +1 wound, enemy crits only working on 6+ and eternal warrior 3 so crits and non-crits normally deal 1 damage, grinds things down), Guilliman (late game with +initiative)
A tier: Horus, Lorgar, Ferrus Mannus, Mortarion* (if not getting +3 attacks),
B tier: Rogal Dorn (wounded on 5+ only not 2+), Guilliman (early game), Fulgrim (1 dmg per hit but going first and getting 9 attacks against slow people like vulkan is fair compensation, but situational as some primarchs arent slow), Angron (charging, otherwise drop a tier), Lion (with Lion Blade)
C tier: Perturabo, DaemonAngron (penalty for crap stats per cost),
D tier: DaemonFulgrim (really crap stats per cost), Alpharius, Sanguinius (encarmine)
F tier: Leman Russ, Magnus, Jaghatai, Corax, Konrad Curze, Sanguinius (spear/moonblade), Lion (with Wolf Blade - Russ even makes Lion suck somehow)

>>96067360
exactly
so it gives you one more DS per game
and remember that if you don't get a unit on the board by the end of the game it's destroyed
therefore if you have 3 DS units (well, 4 with him), every time you fail a reserve roll, you lose a unit

>>96067346
So you remember all the shit that GW did to 40k?
Pushed basically any model/unit that was not buildable from the box into legacies? Things like libs and chaplains on a bike? They after a while they just nuked legacy units in general?

Yeah that are doing that again, but some how worse, things that are gone for no reason include but are not limited to
>BReachers losing access to volkite and Melta guns
>Javalins losing MM
>Cents and Preators on jet bikes and outrider bikes gone
>Destroyers gone
>Terminators cant take fists only power weapons
>Lots of faction war gear just fucking gone
THey might show up in legacy but thats just hospice before they will get gutted.

They also cut out rules like torrent for some fucking reason twinlinked is gone.

Basically they are doing the same shit to 30k as they did to 40k.

>>96067360
Isn't he also jetpack only?

>>96067262
>hmmmmm

>>96067378
I'll add, it states that only one unit per turn may ATTEMPT a deep strike, so if you fail your roll, you don't get to try again with another

>>96067242
Tell me more about the wargear options Erebus

>>96067377

Dude...i said Stats.

>>96067301
>have we seen the anathemata powers on page 35?

>>96067276
How big do you guys expect the legacies and errata docs will be this time?

>>96067397
Russ is only good at beating up janitor-tier nameless redshirt characters. But every primarch can kill those. He loses to all the primarchs because everyone has Eternal Warrior 2-3 and going first doesn't matter when they use StrikeLast to wound on 2+ and get Dmg 4-5 on their giga hammers.

>>96067403
I'll be honest, at this point i'm expecting legacies to only be units that once had models but are no longer sold

>>96067403
Small, Legacy units are going into Hospice, just like in 8th ed. 4th ed they will kill off legacy units entirely.

>>96067377
not in some theory crafting. they have the best stats.

WS BS S etc etc....

I'm not clued up on what's going on but someone said you guys are pissed about the new edition. What's wrong?

>>96067411

again....i mean in pure Stats. Like WS BS St and so on.

>>96067377
Does Magnus, with his Dmg 4 weapon, and potential initiative 8, hitting on 2s with divination belong in F tier?

>>96067420
Everything
Pic related is just the small part of the problem

>>96067292
It literally doesn't matter because everyone has a 4++ and eternal warrior (2) or better so any fight involving them is going to go on for ever and be insufferable

>>96067396
>Join Chaos and you'll get everything in 1.0 back with updated rules. Pinkie swear.

>>96067417
He doesn't have the best stats. just as in Horus Heresy 2, the best stat is simply whoever has the highest Brutal number on their weapon. Dealing 3 wounds per swing is 3x more damage than 1. Russ is a tickle monster, getting like 7 attacks instead of 6 does fuckall when you do 1 wound each (7x1) and he does (6x3) instead. 18 > 7. That's stats.

The rabbit man got caught, pardo went through all their media on discord and compared it to everything posted in the WhatsApp until they found the person lmao

>>96067436
>so any fight involving them is going to go on for ever and be insufferable
Challenges go on forever until someone who wins a round of fighting decides to stop, or until someone's dead

>>96067436
They don't go on forever. They end very quickly soon as a primarch has a dmg 3 hammer with 5+ critical hits and uses the +1 dmg gambit so rolls of 5-6 to hit just autowound for dmg5. Eternal warrior 2 doesnt save them from 3 wounds per vulkan smash.

If you only use the F-tier primarchs like jaghatai, leman russ and corax then fights do go on forever.

>>96067436
>>96067442

Guys....chill.
You arguments are fine. But i just saying, that they have the best base stats. not talking about weapons, special rules.

just the base stats....and thats it. comparing to the others they are the best:)

>>96067458
Talk about desperation, what's the point of this anyway
Does he get a free box of models from GW for it or something lmao

>>96066573
I thought the Pardo thing was funny even if I had no idea who it was
Now I think it's funny and earned, what a bitch

>>96067470
Same honestly, i have no fucking idea who this Pardo is, but man, fuck that guy am i right?

>>96067167
>full autocannons
Based, pom pom all the way

>>96067171
>took his bike option
WAIT WHAT

>>96067458
This is him.

>>96067487
King

>>96067381
>The reason I'm leaving 40k got to HH before me

>>96067486
>WAIT WHAT
They're just going to do the Horus Ascended/Daemon Fulgrim+Angron thing with him and give him a totally separate profile for his jetbike
Foot Khan is still naruto running around at M10

>>96067475
The more I learn about him the less I want to learn about him

>>96067487
He can't keep getting away with it!

>>96067381
Legacies and legends are not the same thing. Brass scorpions and decimators moved from 2.0 legacies to 3.0 core book units, and legacies were fully supported and event-legal in 2.0. I'm tired of these 40kids and nogames hanging around for drama and doomposting

>>96067458
Did he really do that? Because that's pathetic.

Termies won't lose fists, they will come in an add on three years aftervthe new kit

>>96067428
Gonna be straight with you, I'm not going to read 18 pages of gay sons psychic powers. If one really just gives his 2 dmg sword 4 dmg, then Magnus jumps up to at least A tier. If not, Magnus does fuckall damage and his initiative is trash unless he's not using the +1 dmg gambit, so he's in Russ situation where Magnus would strike first for tickle damage then enemy simply strikes back 3x harder and insta-kills him.

>>96067508
They better, I'm expecting the shiny new bikhan model

>>96067520
>Legacies and legends are not the same thing.
anon they are the same fucking thing with a different name, if you actually think they are not this is some peak fucking cope.

They are going to be going the way of the dodo.

>>96067530
Where are people even seeing the termie and consul profiles? They're not in the imgur leaks in the OP

>>96067527
Leakerchad got swatted as Pedro claimed he was making threats against his family

>>96067541
They aren't
Legends are explicitly not meant to be used in competitive play and are untouched with points costs from 2 edition ago
Legacies are explicitly legal units. They even got more balance attention in 2.0 than liber units did for some fucking reason
They are only the same if you play with retards

>>96067487
Rabbit man is an oldfag from before tg was a thing and is very amused by the situation

Surprised not many people mentioned how much stupid bloat each consul being its own entry is

>>96066822
What are you smoking?
Pardo deliberately cheats and misinterprets rules in his favor, he constantly, CONSTANTLY talks over his guests. Dudes a fucking dweeb ass loser.

Commission painted armies look nice though.

>>96067562
They were in 2.0. We don't know how much GW's stance has changed now. A lot has changed.

>>96067562
>This much copium
ANon, they did the SAME FUCKING THING to 40k Legends units.
Legends when they originally came out where completely legal and you totally could use them anywhere you want, then guess what happened, they fucking nuked legends into the dust.

If you think they wont do the same thing to legacies then you are blind.

>>96067570
Which is why my preferred bat rep channel is Winters SEO to see all the beautiful Den of Imagination (tm) painted armies!

>>96067420
GW completely butchered the game and took all the fun customization options out.
Practically half of everyones armies have illegal loadouts now, if you've ever converted a unit even slightly from the basic box loadout you're fucked.
They also squatted destroyers and a bunch of consul options along with ALL bike, jetbike and terminator armours for consuls. Praevians get a single bolt pistol as a loadout now as an example.

>>96067577
>Legends when they originally came out where completely legal and you totally could use them anywhere you want
no they were fucking not, stop lying

Tuning in for the day - Have we had a new central drop/folder flr all the leaks now? Since the one from last night's no more

anyone got the contemptor sheet?
i need the points for those big bitches to see if its worth them taking a whole aux slot

>>96067577
The leaked tactical journal proves they are going to keep adding kitbash models as legit options

>>96067598
yes they were lol, in 8th ed they said yeah these units still exist and you all can totally use them. Then in 9th they went into hospice and then after that they fucking died.

>>96067466
Kevin Rountree fucks his wife and he's allowed to watch from the cuck chair.

>>96067616
Ah yes just like they said we could keep using the models we have, which was a fucking lie.
Until i see it in my hand, i dont believe that's the case.

>>96067568
that's probably th funniest thing about them claiming they've streamlined it, they literally don't have the competence to actually design it with less bloat. For instance they could have one entry for tactical marines and just grant every version aka breachers, assault, despoilers, support and heavy support access to different armouries. But no they try to do a wargear list for every unit, while losing options.

>>96067541
They actually aren't.
Legends aren't legal at tournies at all, you need to ask permission from your opponent to use them, and they NEVER get updated.
Legacies are legal at tournies, don't require permission, do receive updates, and may get put in books down the line.

>>96067583
Anon Winters also cheats and fucks up rules to his benefit all the time. The only good batrep channels left are Soul Forge (not super narrative, but good models and British chaps having fun), and Heresy Era (super narrative, high production value, videos are too short for my liking)

>>96067625
Go drink some water and get some sleep, this isn't healthy for you

>>96067547
Hope it goes to court. I want a lawyer to have to hold a blown-up PARDO IS A FAGGOT stamped across nerd shit for a bunch of normies.

>>96067636
Yeah and legends started out as legacies as well.
Then they changed it.

Like i said you all can keep coping thinking that legacies are safe but they are not.

>>96067428
I missed his force being damage not strength, yeah at Dmg3 and with a strike-first gambit he becomes identical to The Lion's placement long as he passes his psychic test. Has to strike first to do 2 wounds per attack, but can strike first at the end. That'd put Magnus at bottom of B-tier. Still not as good as people with Dmg3 + crit or Dmg3 + shred, and Magnus has sucky 6 toughness, sucky 6 wounds, average 7 WS and a mere 6 attacks.
If Magnus fails the psychic test he immediately drops to F-tier for that round, overall he's C-tier unless there's some weird psychic gimmick elsewhere.

Lion has a dmg3-4 sword but WS8 instead of 7 (magnus hits on 5+) and he has 7 attacks instead of 6. And his strike-first on the final round of the gambit strat is on par with Magnus gambit.

Magnus can help his 5+ to hit primarchs by using the divination gambit to hit on 2+, but then his weapon is dealing 1 wound to any primarch, not 2-3 after eternal warrior, and then he's initiative 8 (so striking last against someone like fulgrim). Magnus is over-reliant on gambits each to fix his bad statpage. Can't have good WS and good strength and good toughness and good wounds and good attacks and a good dmg weapon.

>>96067646
I think you're right that they will end up being fucked, but every point you've brought up has been wrong. Legends was never Legacies.

ALL MY HOMIES CONVERT MINIS
HOMIE FUCK PARDO

>>96067562
If you can't see which way the wind is blowing despite everyone telling you and insist on running damage control for this shit then you deserve to get fucked over.

>>96067639
I was obviously being sarcastic, I don't watch any bat rep channels

>>96067660
I means coming down the pipe and its blatantly obvious because this is exactly how it started in 40k.

>>96067547
No way that's real.

Seriously guys my legion has nothing going for it - I'm pretty burned out

>>96067527
Yeah lol

I know rabbit man, Pardo pinged him in the WhatsApp and posted a load of comparison pictures and rabbit man laugh reacted it and was then kicked

>>96067679
I feel extraordinarily lucky to see that my legion's trait got *better* and applies to literally everything

>>96067683
Based rabbit man.
Pardo's wife thirsts for him.

>>96067683
who's rabbit man?

>>96067646
In case your only experience with the game is foaming at the mouth when you see the prefix "leg-" and posting here, 40k had Imperial Armour in 9th, which was legal for tournament play. They added Legends for out of print models that they weren't going to rebalance, those were not tournament legal. Over the course of 9th more things were added to legends. 10th rolled around and almost everything in imperial armour (basically everything not plastic) went to legends, immediately stated as not tournament legal. I'm still mad I lost all my forge world units in 40k, but heresy is a different rules team and legacies are a different format.

>>96067625
By Kitbashed models they mean 'buy a scorpius and also a tarantula so you can put them together and make a different unit'
or 'just buy the rapier kit to not use the rapiers'
They don't mean convert your consul with whatever gear you want

>>96067646
And you can keep dooming all you want. If they remove legacies units I'll keep playing them

>>96067707
>They don't mean convert your consul with whatever gear you want
Yeah thats my point lol

Im just staying with 2.0 im not falling for this shit again.

>>96067683
the meltdown is admittedly pretty funny

>>96067331
You realise thunderhammers go before fists

>>96067690
oh we playing guess who
hmm, he's not dark angels, he's not nightlords, he's not salamanders, he's not sons of horus, he's not iron warriors, he's not imperial fists, he's not word bearers, he's not deathguard, he's not emperors children, he's not space furries, he's not white scars, he's not alpha legion, he's not iron hands, he's not world eaters, he's not blood angels, he's not iron hands

no clue on thousand sons
he's maybe ultramarines, ravenguard,

>>96067700
The leaker who warned us of the coming enshittification of HH.
He's probably cost GW millions in sales for saturnine lol.
People all over the place are saying that they are cancelling their pre-orders and won't be picking up the box now.

>>96066234
The only way you're getting in cheaper is proxies or printing, so if you want the models it's fine.
It's just a matter of if communities survive the rules. It could be dicey. I know the main organisers in mine, which has traditionally been really strong, are considering sticking with 2e or pulling the plug vs moving to 3.0 though.

>>96067213
>fear (1)
Impact(I), so sudden strike. +1I when charging, Really big this edition since it means you go before your opponent in mirror matches.

>>96067190
We are now a melee legion utilizing combined arms tactics, rather than a gunline.

>>96067331
No.

Yes: Raptors lost twin claws and subsequently wont be as good at killing 1w power armor. No, that does not make them bad now. If youre desperate to go at I you still have glaives (the +S is now relevant since rerolls are gone and wounding is actually hard now) or power spears/swords (or even single claws). Thunder hammers now mean you are insanely powerful when fighting terminators and the equivalent, theyre fast and keep impact(initiatie) so they strike at initiative 3 with thunder hammers. They trade with cenobium knights and go before enemy thunder hammer terminators. Thats big.
They also have a very high vanguard, so theyre now a solid scoring unit (unlike other legion assault vets).

>Atramentar DS irrelevant
DS is only half the prime benefit. The EC legion trait is the other half. DS is also still fine for positioning, just put the unit somewhere safe behind enemy lines and use it to set up a charge next turn. Maybe contest an otherwise safe objective.

>enemy can just
Nothing, unless theyre IW, automata or malefic they WILL be statused. Even primarchs are within reach now. Fear(1) plus suppressive(2) - like from a 40pts rapier battery - and a primarch is testing vs cool(7). Phosphex is panic(3). The new dreadnought has pinning(3). Getting statuses on units is entirely realistic in 99% of cases, and if you get that status and get into combat with them? You now wipe the floor with basically every unit in the game. Raptors will mop the floor with justaerin, firedrakes, cenobium, companions, you name it if they have a status effect on them.

Yes, NL are now a combined arms force, we now have to put more effort into triggering our legion passive. The payout is much higher than before.

>>96067707
The master of descent has access to the entire officer wargear section, he's as kitbashed as they come

>>96067679
I'm actually feeling better. 2.0 is free. GW can't hurt it. I am free of their whims, and they can hurt me no longer.

>>96067746
thunderhammers make the unit horribly expensive and go after all the weapons that full-kill a unit of weak 3+ armor save raptors before they get to swing hammers.

>>96067754
>proxies or printing
Or buying the models on ebay for 25 bucks as box splitters weep trying to sell the garbage models for this garbage edition

>>96067750
Rabbit man and the leaker are seperate people.

Rabbit man doesn't know the leaker

Question for WB in 2.0:

Re Tainted Weapons, which do you usually take for a melee praetor? I'm on the fence between one of them or keeping the Paragon Blade to be honest.

>>96067749
White Scars went from +1M to +2M, and it applies to everything whenever you want during your turn
M9 tacticals are sweet, but +2" to guys like dreads, tanks and bikes is just awesome
The auxiliary detachment being 2 jetbikes and 2 outriders is nice and easy too

>>96067736
Gold, him plastering "Fuck Pardo" insults and slurs all over the leaks was amazing.

hey quick q allegedly there's drama about HH3e. Is it a nothingburger getting milked by grifters or an actual problem with the game

>>96067784
Its actually a problem, large parts of peoples armies are getting squatted.

>>96067775
2.0 tainted weapons are dogshit and not worth taking on anyone over a powerfist

>>96067768
Yo do now you have WS5 and +1i on the charge, do you?
There's no thing stopping you from taking power weapons and hitting first against MEQs and vets if that's what you want
There's nothing stopping you from taking THs and killing terminators before they get to attack
Doomposting is one thing but saying these are bad is absolutely retarded

>>96067650
Force doubles a characteristic, so he’d be D4. I don’t think using the Divination gambit stops him from taking a willpower check to do Force?

>>96067776
>tanks
LAs don't apply to tanks

>>96067784
Yeah the game is fucked, don't buy 3.0 if you were planning to.

>>96067784
It's a mix of:
A) There are a few typos that are getting people up in arms, stuff that's clearly in error like terminators not being able to take power fists

B) Some units had their wargear options changed in oddly arbitrary ways

C) Some units are being moved to Legacy, which doesn't change a lot but does mean they're not in the libers so we have no clue if they exist or not (A lot probably do, some probably don't)

>>96067784
40k tourists are still (rightfully) bitter about losing FW units in 10th so they're doomposting that legacies suddenly = legends despite never having played 2.0 themselves. Their efforts are working, unfortunately, because most of the vocal posters here seem to live their lives waiting for something to write angry customer service emails over

>>96067762
Imagine being a GW rule writing slave. Removing all options is very clearly not their idea, but they just do as they're ordered. God what a nightmare monkeys paw job.

>>96067755
+1 WS temporarily only in melee in a small situation is lower payout by far than +1 to wound melee and +1 to wound shooting at same time and has a very high chance of failing. NL units aren't all fear2 and fear is just 12" and status aren't "99% reliable" unless you're putting 3-4 units into each 1 enemy unit. Then you're spending 1000 points to attack 200 points of enemy. Wooh huge payoff! And only in melee and still worse than +1 wound. There's zero benefit to nightlords shooting, the entire army got significantly weaker. And lost night battles on top of it.

>>96067806
Don't worry good sir, I am a Walker :^)

>>96067768
>thunderhammers make the unit horribly expensive
Theyre night raptors, they were always horribly expensive.

>go after all the weapons that full-kill a unit of weak 3+ armor save raptors
Lol

10 dark furies get 30 attacks hitting on 4s wounding on 4s. This ends up at around 4 night raptors dead (yes I didnt bother with crit, but I also rounded up 7.5 wounds to 8 and frankly that probably balances out).
6 night raptors get 18 attacks back hitting on 4s killing on 2s, this ends up at around 8 dark furies dead.

Dark furies are one of the best "mass AP3 attack" units out there in the game. They are a specialist at that shit. They do much worse into heavy armor like terminators than night raptors.

Night raptors still do fine (and will win against equal numbers - if not points -of them).

Night raptors are not a cost effective marine blender, they are not a specialist unit like dawnbreakers or furies or whatever else. They are now a versatile and powerful melee elite that can do basically any job well provided they dont get shot off the board (the real threat to them).

>>96067814
>stuff that's clearly in error
The thing that shows up in no fewer than two unit entries?
The thing that had to be written, formatted, proofread and approved?
The sheer number of fuckups required for this is high. Them being dumb fucks and actually making a retarded change is much more likely, and assuming it's a mistake (and so will be fixed) is just copium.
I'm genuinely curious to see where people's lines are. surely "The Libers will fix it" meme has taught you something.

>>96067820
If the legacies doc drops and all consuls are box locked you bet your ass I'm coordinating with locals and putting a patch together. I think the core rules look fun and until proven wrong I'm taking GW at their word that old armies will be supported.

>>96067817
Talking about angry customer mails, maybe we should tell GW and their investors how we feel about their new edition.

>>96067817
Sure, legacies might work the same in 3.0 as they do now.
But we said that about consuls. Fool me once...

>>96067835
You've truly never played a GW game if you're suddenly holding up their proofreaders as the gold standard, never having left repeated errors in a publication previously

>>96067835
Yeah because those options exist in the armoury section for terminators and copy paste is clearly a thing being used
>Them being dumb fucks and actually making a retarded change is much more likely
You really think it's more likely that tartaros and cataphractii suddenly have no legal loudouts at all in their plastic kits besides lightning claws?

>>96067784
There's plenty to be angry about
They removed a tone of wargear options and character entries.
That's the kind of shit that made a ton of people leave 40k and come to 2.0
No they are doing the same shit here by forcing the retarded miniature loadouts on consuls
A lot of the rules changes are also incredibly retarded and they are pushing challenges like their life depends on it when they are boring as shit if not actively worse for the game

>>96067854
Oh, I'm aware of the many errors, yes.
I'm also aware of the many retarded decisions. I spent 3 years being told GW would fix hammers and dreads any day now, and look how that went.

>>96067838
>GW at their word that old armies will be supported.
Wasn't this exactly what they did with legends units in 40k before killing them off?

>>96067856
It's even more obviously an error because cataphractii DO have access to the section clearly titled "terminator weapons options"

>>96067835
yeah anyone who thinks the terminator thing is a typo is fucking coping.
>>96067856
>You really think it's more likely that tartaros and cataphractii suddenly have no legal loudouts at all in their plastic kits besides lightning claws?
Good thing they did not tease a new cata box recently :^)

Its happening new cata box is coming out and guess what, it will have only power wepaons lol.

>>96067864
They already made them not playable in matched games and basically unusable with the points to being with

>>96067856
Well, unlike you I read the leaks, so I know Cataphractii do indeed use the terminator melee weapons list.

>>96067867
Except cataphractii CAN take power fists, so you're being a histrionic faggot over nothing

>>96067864
No, they kept quiet about it before suddenly dropping an article about how Imperial Armour was not returning and everything in it was now Legends (unless you're custodes)

>>96067856
>You really think it's more likely that tartaros and cataphractii suddenly have no legal loudouts at all in their plastic kits besides lightning claws?
Cata still have access to all their weapons and the weapons they don't have in the box

>>96067867
>Its happening new cata box is coming out and guess what, it will have only power wepaons lol.
Please don't try to prove your right by banking on anon's mistake, we don't need retards on both sides.

>>96067872
new rules says they can take power weapons, if you are actually gonna say that power fist is covered under that you are coping fucking hard bro.

>>96067882
>new rules says they can take power weapons
Are you seriously getting mad over a leak you haven't read

>>96067883
If the leaks are to be believed that i have read, yes.

>>96067856
Going by all the other changes to unit loadouts they've made, I would say yes, they really are that dumb.

>>96067889
Did you miss the part where cataphractii can take weapons from the terminator weapon list which includes power fists

>>96067796
Okie dokie.

>make all major armies ready to go at launch
>create a very clever DLC scheme so you can shit out splats faster and more cheaply
>make lobotomized monkey interns write the rules

>>96067882
"Any model may choose from the terminator weapons list" fucking moron

>>96067892
Doomers absolutely, utterly, incomprehensibly blown the FUCK out

>>96067882
Read nigga, read

Here comes the shills

>>96067892
>>96067900
If only Tartaros were capable of such things . . .

>>96067914
This.

>>96067827
>+1 WS temporarily only in melee
+1WS at range doesent seem very useful

>>96067827
>far than +1 to wound melee and +1 to wound shooting
No, thats a lower payout. +1 to wound/to pen is significantly less relevant because in the context of both shooting and melee - especially in 2e - wounding was not generally hard. Every powerful ranged weapon (melta, las, plasma, volkite) wounded its intended targets on 2s already, and while +1 to pen vehicles was nice killing vehicles was already not very hard. In melee the best melee weapons either had shred or significant +S modifiers. Power fists and thunder hammers always wounded on 2s, lightning claws rerolled all failed wound rolls, our legion weapons gave +S on top of this reroll.

It was an EASIER payout, getting +1 to wound was trivial, but it was a less significant benefit.

>NL units aren't all fear2
I said fear 1. The only fear(2) unit is curze.

>fear is only 12"
So charge range. If you can charge someone, you can fear them, and you get an easier time applying status effects to them (in order to support the charge you are about to try and make).

>and status aren't "99% reliable"
I didnt say "99% reliable". A marine with cool(8) will test vs cool(5) or 6 with the modifiers you are bringing, which is likely to fail but not guaranteed. I said that 99% of the time it will be realistic.

>unless you're putting 3-4 units into each 1 enemy unit. Then you're spending 1000 points to attack 200 points of enemy. Wooh huge payoff!
A rapier with bolters is 40pts and fires 8 shots of suppresive(2) at the enemy.

>And only in melee and still worse than +1 wound.
No. No it fucking isnt. +1 to wound is nice but generally irrelevant with your bigger guns (less so this edition). +1WS turns an even fight into a massacre and lets you stand a chance in places you really shouldnt.
A thunder hammer does not need help wounding, it does however appreciate hitting on 3s and being hit back on 5s.

>>96067906
No, that doomer was an idiot. But if you scroll a little further up, there's a coper using the exact same retardation to prove it's a mistake. There are good points on both sides, but retards are everywhere.

>>96067912
>get 100%, factually proven wrong
>SHILLS SHILLS SHILLS SHILLS
Just stop getting mad about things you don't know anything about
You're making up rage bait in your head and then falling for it in one swift motion

>>96067838
>until proven wrong
Jesus anon, what are all these leaks if not proof?

Legacies isn't going to rehash every single unit but with all their old options, it's just not going to happen.

>>96067921
I think this is even more proof that it's just a typo for tartaros

>>96067838
>I'm taking GW at their word
Like these words:
>The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes.

This game is fucking dead, I'm out

>>96067937
see you tomorrow

>>96067930
>I think this is even more proof that it's just a typo for tartaros
And the Tartaros command squad? They managed to fuck it up on both those but neither of the Cataphractii squads?

>>96067930
Anon use your eyes and stuff huffing hopium.
Cata's have VERY specific rules, as do tartaros.

Catas start with volkite chargers, and can take heavy melee.
Tartaros don't. This is consistent across both the base squad and command variants.

Theyre releasing new kits but we just got the rules first.

So what's the Legion tier list looking like?

>>96066573
Sub 6ft energy
kek

>>96067941
Yes? How do you think they make these anon?
They copy paste the page and change the title and points
If they fuck up the first one they are gonna fuck up the second one too

>>96067957
Okay, I clearly can't break your delusion.
But when the F.A.Q., Errata, or Legacy profile doesn't come, Remember that in the face of all these retarded decisions, you chose to cope and believe this one was a mistake.

>>96067827
>. There's zero benefit to nightlords shooting
Yes, the benefit is now in melee, as enabled by your shooting.

>the entire army got significantly weaker
All of our units either remained the same or got actively buffed. Our special weapons got better (both in the abstract and comparatively). Raptors now dont suck.

>And lost night battles on top of it.
Yes, and that sucks. We are no longer a ranged supremacy army.
We are now a melee supremacy army, and will probably be rather good at that instead.

You have to keep in mind that while we lost some toys so did everyone else. DA lost +1 to hit with swords, space wolves lost +1WS on the charge, UM dont get +1 to hit any more. SoH no longer have -1S in the first round of combat. Combat is now - generally - a much more even playing field between the legions and that makes our ability to get an advantage even more significant than it would be before (although +1WS is insane, as every 2.0 space wolf player will tell you - or rather deny and then abuse with varangyr and leviathans)

Also, and this is somewhat minor comapratively. Our ability to abuse challenges is amazing. We can issue a challenge and if we get refused our legion trait activates, winning the combat basically on the spot. If the enemy accepts then we substitute our character for a rank and file model, force them to waste a character killing one dude, and win the combat by having our character mince their unit. They then fail LD, fall back, and next turn we fight with our legion trait procced anyways.

>>96067802
reading on it more, Magnus if he rolls any doubles on either the Force test or to use any psychic powers, he usually would get Stunned and automatically go last in melee as all models with a status on them. So his weapon usually being Dmg4 is great, but his bad weaponskill, toughness, wounds, attacks, base initiative and stunning himself make it a lot less impressive. He seems very high risk - high reward, whereas people like Vulkan/Horus are low risk, high reward.

Definitely taking Magnus out of F-tier though. He's probably top of C as a duel brawler (understandable as his main value is as a spellcaster with a lot of non-dueling utility.)

>>96067930
If they meant to put the terminator melee weapon list on there, why would they give an option to take a single claw? That's on that list. That's not a typo bro, they didn't forget an entry. They chose not to put it on.

>>96067935
Wholesale changes is a vague and unhelpful description, but yes I do think that 3.0 core rules are an improvement on 2.0 without changing the spirit of the game

>>96067925
We'll see, I'll be disappointed if I'm wrong but I'm not going to sit in here throwing a bitch fit before then

do we have what deflagerate does yet?

>>96067967
Sure thing anon, what ever you say
It's not a typo from the retarded new formatting
The easier explanation is that they are making a new kit they haven't shown, unlike the cataphractii one, and they are restricting the tartaros equipment to fucking power weapons. Something they've never done with any terminator unit before. And they are giving us the rules for that new kit they haven't shown instead of the old ones.
Even though it's called the 'Legion Terminator Melee weapons List' and not the 'Legion Cataphractii Terminator Melee weapons List'
That's clearly the most fitting explanation
You are not being retarded at all

>>96067993
Same as 2.0, but (X) indicates the strength of the extra ap - hits

>>96067377
>Konrad Curze
No shot. Curze has Damage 3 crits, going to 4 with the finishing strike gambit. Thats big, its the breakpoint for "primarchs take 2w instead of 1"

>>96067980
my units didn't remain the same, they took away the striking first with double lightning claws and made the units worse.
Striking last and costing a ton more

Our shooting got exponentially worse (no +1 to wound) while our melee is a sidegrade (+1 WS is better than +1 wound in some situations and worse in others), overall that is a downgrade.

If you need multiple shooting units to support one melee unit, the enemy can just focus-fire your overpriced thunderhammer melee unit and now you just have several weak shooting units that have no racial traits at all.

I realize you're a retarded optimist but NL are dumpster-tier in HH3 no matter how many times you post lies.

>>96067985
Damage stat, removal of two-weapon fighting and all associated rules, removal of sweeps, complete redoing of army building, complete redoing of challenges, removal of the consul system, removal of RoWs, removal of warlords and warlord traits, removal of easily half the options in the game and reworking of leadership and addition of statuses.

That doesn't count as wholesale changes?

>>96066063 (OP)
>Another "fuck melee" edition
>Can't charge as far
>Free overwatch reaction before charging
>Chainaxes are now a sidegrade instead of an upgrade
>Chainaxes are free for everyone
>Still get a legion rule for free chainaxes
>Tactical squads can't take chainaxes
>Caedere weapons nerfed
>Rampagers nerfed and lost jumppacks
>Red butchers lost weapon options and still look like they'll get their shit slapped by basic legion terminators

I guess I'll just keep painting my illegal army and check back in 3 years to see how bad the next edition is.

>>96067952
Well, we need to see if Loyalists have a counterpart to True Believers.

>>96067993
Unsaved wounds with that rule cause an extra hit with X S and Ap-

>>96067377
You dont get reaping blow in challenges.

>>96067997
The easier explanation is
"They removed these options and GW is retarded".
Because the first is clearly observable and requires no guesswork, assumptions, doomposting or cope. It merely describes what's right in front of us. It is literally the simplest possible explanation.

The second part is an inference, but it tracks.

>>96068004
>>96068016
They changes this rule for the explicit reason of giving the Moritats serpenta extra hits with -1S
While also making them +1S to begin with...

>>96068008
you fucked up the math. Curze has damage 1 no matter what. Critical Hit is on the HIT roll and skips the wound roll, so SHRED never combines with Critical Hit.
That means even if Curze uses strike-last gambit, he deals 1 damage + 1 crit + 1 strikelast, minus 2 for EW and deals 1 total damage but strikes last.
If Ccurze uses strike-last gambit and doesn't crit, t hen he deals 1 damage + 1 shred sometimes + 1 strikelast, and deals only 1 total damage.
Curze is F-tier against everything with Eternal Warrior 2 (which is every single primarch)

>>96068024
You are not being retarded at all

>>96067867
I'd be willing to bet you're half right, the new cata box will come with only chargers and power swords.
Fists will be in the Cataphractii Melee Weapons Upgrade Box(sold seperately).
Obviously they can still take fists.

Is it true that the Siege Breaker doesn't do anything in these leaks?

>>96068039
>so SHRED never combines with Critical Hit.
Critical Hits specifically count as a 6 to wound for an other rules

The cohorts got more of a writeup in the new liber than in the old one. So idk maybe that's nice or maybe you don't think it matters ymmv

Does anyone have any requests for comparison images?

>>96068041
You're the one insisting that what you're literally seeing can't be true.

>>96068039
You know for someone trying to insist he's the primarch expert you're really retarded. Critical hits count as 6s to wound. Last time I'm spoon feeding you.

NO NIGGA WHAT IF I DONT WANT FUCKING THUNDERHAMMERS ON MY RAPTORS WHAT IF I WANT TWIN LIGHTNING CLAWS BECAUSE THEY'RE COOL AND FLUFFY

TLDR:
Fuck James im playing with old customization at my tables or im not playing at all.

>>96068014
Its a shame because WE have such a cool trait

>>96068010
>, they took away the striking first with double lightning claws and made the units worse.
No, raptors are much stronger than they were in 2.0. As shown before they beat night furies decisively. They also now beat terminators decisively.

Into regular legion termies (cata, why not)
30 attacks, 20 hits, 17 wounds, 8/9 dead terminators. Before any of the terminators get to swing. A cata terminator with thunder hammer (or power fist) is equal in cost to a night raptor.

2 terminators back.
4 attacks, 2 hits, 2 dead.

They even do well into legion elite terminators now.

>Our shooting got exponentially worse (no +1 to wound)
Thats marginal, not exponential, because the most powerful shooting didnt care about that in the least anyways. Lascannons and volkite still wound on 2s.

>our melee is a sidegrade (+1 WS is better than +1 wound in some situations and worse in others)
Lolno. +1 to wound and +1WS are in no way equivalent. Dear god.

>>96068039
Anon, please read what critical hit does.

Critical hit, like rending, counts as an unmodified 6 for the purposes of rules which care about the wound roll, like shred. A crit will always shred, its why several weapons (like sevatars and kharns) have both of those rules.

When curze crits he adds +2 damage, so 2/3 of the time in primarch duels. Still wont let him beat the lion or whatever, but its solid.

>>96068051
you're right. That's new. Usually GW does autohits skipping wound roll effects. Curze then escapes from fail tier then. Dealing 2 wounds each makes him much better than the tickler primarchs.

>>96068067
Use them as twin claw vanguard vets? They have very similar rules and costs.

>>96068014
Butchers got a mad buff though? EW(1) means fists and hammers 2 hit them instead of 1 hit them, so it's a 100% survivability buff against their biggest threats.

>>96068083
They're night raptors

>>96068083
Consoomer take

>>96068013
That's why I said "wholesale changes" is a vague and unhelpful term. There have been big changes, but they feel like targeted improvements (core rules specifically), not a shift like "vehicles have toughness and wounds now"

>>96067952
Bit early for that. A lot of wargear has been changed so be prepared to wait to see how effective some traits are

>>96068092
Then we're never going to agree. I find the core rule changes to be almost as egregious as the liber fuckups.

>>96068014
The fuck are you talking about?
Charges are basically the same
The 'free overwatch' is 5-10 bolt pistols most of the time and you also get to shoot twice with yours in a turn
The average charge is longer and you can charge out of rhinos
Chainaxes are very much a buff if you take 8 out of 10 guys with them and they are limited compared to the units you can take them on
The LA is fantastic in an edition when no one else gets +1A for charging
Red butchers got a massive buff, they were fucking unplayable las edition

>>96067900
Why can you take 12. That’s so weird

>no digital rulebook
>physical only
This is super duper, just great, everyone loves buying £5,000 rulebooks that will have to be amended on the day of release and which are planned to become obsolete within three years anyway. Whenever I need to correct a table with a broken leg I know Games Workshop has my back.

>>96068048
He comes with a cognis (artillery spotting), augury (ignore shroud), and unlocks phosphex for some units (rapiers confirmed, probably arquitors)

>>96068053
Aux leaks?!

>>96068090
That would be "you should buy a new unit of raptors now equipped in edition compatible ways".
Theres no purchasing (consooming) here, just using models you already own.

>>96068089
Yes, and? Reavers, rampagers, raptors, (now) furies, suzerains, dawnbreakers, theyre all just veterans. Theyre the unique legion varieties of veterans, but still just veterans. Raptors are just NL jetpack dudes with cool helmets, theyre not some super special secret thing.

>>96068087
Doesn't matter, could have given then WS 10 and T 8 and five wounds.
There's no point to playing them since they ripped out everything that made them yours.

>>96068092
they don't feel like targeted improvements in any way. They're changes for changes sake that make the game worse, such as deepstrikes not being able to charge. Dual wielding not mattering. Charging not mattering. Status inflicted by glances not penetrations. Reactions still not being fixed. Move-and-fire heavy weapons is shitty change. Pistols made entirely worthless. Charging made worse. Sweeps made worse. Terrain rules entirely broken.

You can go suck a bag of cocks with your waffle-language. This isn't them performing surgery to cure a sick game, this is GW performing that surgery you want to chop your ding dong off and then inserting it up your loser asshole and filling your face with botox.

>>96068131
Oh, I still get my Phosphex Rapiers?
Alright, my melty has been delayed then.

>>96068137
What equipment did red butchers lose? They had power axes and a fist last edition too, the power axes just mega sucked in that edition (they probably suck less now)

>>96068148
Lighting Claws and Hammer

>>96068127
Lmao cuz they copy pasted from the command squad and fucked that up in this case
Sasuga GW
>retards in this thread will say the new kit has 12 models in it

>>96068140
phosphex rapiers are really good btw. 40% chance to make a primarch run away.

>>96068139
Nta, but yeah. Loads of rules hugely changed, kept some old rule names for completely new shitty mechanics purely to pretend they're not removing as much as they are, etc.

Anyone saying 3.0 isn't a large departure from 2.0 (whether the rules are 'good'/balanced aside) is huffing glue.

Some nerd shit

>>96068139
this website makes me grateful for my local heresy players
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>>96068128
Or you can wait 2 days till the pdf is online like everyone else here
GW books shouldn't be bought even if they were 10 bucks
They don't proof read that shit

>>96068151
Tbh I never saw anyone with those, mind you I also just never saw anyone use red butchers because they were absolute garbage.

>>96068128
>>no digital rulebook
what they said that in the community?

>>96068154
They didn't though. The command squad lets you take +9, not +7.

7th eddition had tje right idea with its rule book, its the only right idea it had, but still

>>96068170
That sure is a weird fucking 9, but you do you anon

When do we start protesting outside Warhammer World?

>>96068174
Those books were fucking great and the last time that GW ever layed out a rule book with even half a thought to it.

>>96068154
>>96068170
Youre all stupid.

They have a max squad size of 12 (bulky 24) because the spartan fits 26 people. So a full squad + character.

>>96068191
I'm sure that's not because primarch's are Bulky(6) or anything like that

any idea how fighting with a model that has two weapons (say a fist and a sword) works? Previously you can split attacks but I am not sure how it works this time with how some weapons give penalties and bonuses to attacks. My only guess is that you pick one weapon to fight with this turn and that's it.

>>96068205
Primarch + command squad = 26
Centurion + full regular terminator unit = 26

You wouldnt pair up a primarch with normal scrub terminators right?

>>96068209
centurions have their own command squads

>>96068206
>Previously you can split attacks
No, only horus could do that, had a special rule for it.

>>96068089
Now they're day raptors.

>>96068214
damn, now I feel like a cheater. At least I wasn't the only one in the group.
much appreciated, anon.

>>96068181
Just to walk you through your stupidity:

>>96067900 Anon posts the Cataphractii Terminator Squad, 5 base, +7 for a total of 12

>>96068127 Second anon asks why you can take 12
I assume he means 12 cataphractii, since that's what he's replying to.

1/2

>>96068014
>my NL got a lot better
>a welcome change, was just hoping they didn't get worse at least
>my WE on the other hand...
I'm going to lose it

>>96068181
>>96068223
2/2
>>96068154 Anon says they copy pasted from the command squad and fucked it up
Now, it's possible they copy-pasted Tartaros command into Cataphractii terminators, but surely then they're changing stats, unit sub-types, and wargear (this would also prove the lack of fists wasn't a copy-past mistake)

>>96068170 I say the command squad is 9, not 7
Referring to the Cataphractii command squad, since I read the chain.

>>96068181 You post the Tartaros command squad, which isn't relevant to the conversation
either because you are stupid or disingenuous

And I post the proof in this pic, which is the Cataphractii command, the relevant one.

>>96068189
Too bad the actual rules themselves were cancer. Special shoutout to Invisibility, fuck that psychic power.

>>96068218
Honestly that could be a really interesting unit idea. Kinda like how all the loyalists have a "this is the secret and forbidden evil dick unit, they are our great shame and we only use them in our darkest times", night lords should have a heroic and noble formation they just dont like using because it doesent fit the vibe. Like their 7th company are just paladins or whatever and get relegated to mop duty most of the time because they dont do war crimes properly.

Obviously the new cataphractii kit will be a 6 model box.

>>96068235
Ew no

>>96068227
Won't surprise me if there's a ton of mistakes GW needs to errata. Reminder that they forgot to include needle pistols as wargear for Primus Medicae in 2.0, when the official model that was sold at the time came with one standard.

>>96068244
You know it to be true

>>96068225
WE are probably still pretty decent in melee. Rampagers got gutted a little, but if you didnt see them getting nerfed then frankly I think you were a tad naive. Falax blades were an absolute monster last edition, the sort of thing that would absolutely be picked out as a priority change by designers.
Red butchers seem pretty decent now, dont know how well they stack up into other legion terminators, but theyre going to be better than before.

>>96068245
Sure, but you also have to accept that's coping. It might prove correct, just as much of the doomposting proved correct.

>>96068235
It will be a 12 model snap fit box with fixed poses wielding a variety of power weapons and volkite chargers, baffling everyone

>>96068139
sorry I'm not behaving like a histrionic faggot

>>96068252
downplaying an issue is no better than up-play it, but it is easier to feel smug and superior while doing so.

>>96068248
90% of the doomposting I've seen is people being illiterate, making wild assumptions, and jumping to conclusions with incomplete information, so I am not exactly paying it much attention any more.

>>96068139
>Reactions still not being fixed
What about reactions hasnt been fixed? Theyve been massively toned down.

>>96068260
That's also 90% of the coping.

>>96068174
>We don't want to pay $80 for a rulebook that's 60% art and fluff. Just give us a separate rulebook.
>GW: we hear you! Here's a three book set of art, fluff and rules! That'll be $80 please.

I am getting appalled at the retardation in this thread

>>96068259
nah, those guys don't have volkite

>>96068206
It doesn't say in the combat phase.... Unless that's somehow somewhere else where it describes choosing weapons and that specifies you can't split attacks
It also doesn't say how far a step-up move is unless I'm being blind

*descends in urpath*

>>96068245
No, anon, there is no mistakes at all
Tartaros are meant to not have weapon options
Cataphractii are meant to be taken in units of 12

>>96068279
I like him.

>>96068234
Wasn't that the point of the red gauntlets? Marines Curze sentenced to death but kept around because they were still useful.

>>96068265
Yeah it is completely impossible to have any reasonable discussion about the actual leaks online. Everybody is suffering from mass psychosis and acting more tribal than with politics.
Personally I suspect this also proves that a lot more people started playing in 2.0 than anybody believed. If you actually played most of 1.0 and experienced the 2.0 launch none of this is new. The amount of UM players blowing a gasket over their fulmentaris being gone until the legacies rules finally dropped was quite something. Most of the outrage might be newfags and tourists, but who knows.

>>96068269
The Night Lords and World Eaters players are all out, what do you expect?

>>96068279
I really don't get why they restricted veteran units to apex detachments if they are just going to make up a guy that gives you easy access to vanguard vets and jump pack retinues
Where's the guy that lets you take ranged vets instead?

>>96068281
Do i detect trace amounts of sarcasm here?

>>96068289
I remember the 2.0 launch - it was bad, but not this bad. And the changes also weren't this drastic. I think you're right about the number of people joining in 2.0, but there's also been drastic changes and folks on both sides being dumb - it's the perfect (gathering) storm.

>>96068285
Nah, those are still just regular NL dicks. I mean "inverted theming"

BA have the whole noble angel thing, but then an evil dick warcrime unit.
UM have the whole noble hero thing, but then an evil dick warcrime company.
Sallies have the whole noble protector thing, but then an evil dick warcrime unit...

NL have the evil dick warcrime thing, they need a noble hero unit for thematic contrast. Like if you misbehave curze will have you assigned to the revelators, a unit of heavy armor shielded terminators that are tasked with holding crucial objectives and protecting the civilian population.

>>96068289
>If you actually played most of 1.0 and experienced the 2.0 launch none of this is new.
It wasn't as bad with characters but lot of people are acting like this is the end of the game when 2.0 was pretty much the same and no one stayed in 1.0 even with all the initial complains...

>>96068281
this but unironically.

>>96068309
I think "its all going to be fine, this happens every time" might be a bit premature. 2.0 had a decently robust legacies system, a lot of stuff returned in one way or another. whether 3.0 manages to power through and defend itself on the court will depend on whether it manages something similar.

>>96068303
Honestly miss the days that resin models were gatekeeping all the illiterate retards. Worst part about HH getting more popular is the hordes of dumb fucks flooding in.

>>96068309
1.0 sucked and 2.0 sucked in different ways I think the difference here is that a lot of options are being stripped from the units and armies so naturally the fanbase is gunna riot over things that really shouldn't have changed

>>96068316
I think we're also underestimating the sheer damage of the launch. Sure, whole units and a few wargear options were missing from 2.0, but nothing on this scale (IIRC, 2.0 legacies added wargear for reavers and palatine blades, that was all. To do a similar job, 3.0 would need to basically do legacies versions of half the army list)

>>96068316
At least we'll find out sooner, as it looks like this time we won't have to wait months for the non-marine libers and a year and a half for militia and daemon rules.

>>96068316
They said legacies are on day 1 so it won't take that long to tell

>>96068235
It will be 5 models so you need to buy three boxes for a full squad, and you'll have three dudes left over that you can convert into consuls.
Oh, right.

>>96068326
sorry, too marine-centric. I'm aware Tech Thralls also got a legacies wargear fix.

>>96068331
Justaerin were max 12 for all of 2.0, despite being sold in 5s.

Jfc post speeders already

And whatever the fuck smokescreen does

How come despite all the leaks, we've not gotten full leaks for the Saturnine stuff?

>>96068348
They put Saturnine on War-Com you fucking retard