Thread 96066075

Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien? I made a video talking about the concept that mostly looked at his contemporaries (https://youtu.be/X2wwTCOfrz0?si=QwAbFlOnFewpiaTN). Would you find a homebrew game based off of Dunsany's, Hodgson's, or Smith's works interesting?

>>96066075 (OP)
>Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien?
What, like Conan? I've done that plenty of times.

>>96066075 (OP)
>Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien?
already do

>>96066075 (OP)
>I made a video
not your personal army
buy an ad

>Would you find a homebrew game based off of Dunsany's, Hodgson's, or Smith's works interesting?
no

>>96066081
I know Sword and Sorcery gets a lot of representation in TTRPGs, which is great. Most of the games I feel draw more from Howard's works of Conan than Smith's works The Zothique Cycle in my opinion.

>>96066075 (OP)
>Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien?
You'd be hard pressed to find setting that isn't at least partially inspired by Tolkien.

>>96066075 (OP)
You mean like most of them? D&D's Appendix N is full of other writers.

>>96066242
>>96066242
>You'd be hard pressed to find setting that isn't at least partially inspired by Tolkien.
Yeah which is what's so interesting to me! Inspiration can come from a myriad of sources, but I seldom see any game settings that draw from these 20th century fantasy stories just before the zeitgeist that is LOTR. I think Dunsany's work in particular lends itself really well to a Morrowind style game with Kirkbride tier writing using his pantheon.

>>96066075 (OP)
Sooo like Roger Zelanzany? Yeah ive played Amber a few times. Great book series by the way

Can't really see Dunsany as "playable", and probably Hodgson neither. CAS on the other hand is more than clearly doable, hell, a shitload of COC already uses him.

>>96066242
Conan
>>96066081

anyway the moment elves and dwarves get mentioned, the setting (and ttrpg if they're core races) goes into the trash.

>>96066320
Looking him up now, thanks for the suggestion.
>>96066383
>Can't really see Dunsany as "playable", and probably Hodgson neither.
Why is that?

>>96066075 (OP)
Smelly butt.

>>96066075 (OP)
Very cool video that expanded my to-read list of foundational fantasy.

Subbed.

>>96066914
I'm glad it resonated with you! I'll be posting some more videos with similar topics in the near future.

>>96066075 (OP)
Fantasy is a noospheric emanation. Everything is inspired by tolkien, even things made by people who never read tolkien. All fantasy arises from the underthought of the population, whose currents are adirectional, and thus things written before Tolkien still indicate towards Tolkien, which is undifferentiable from being inspired by him.

Everything is everything else. Nothing occurs in isolation within a cultural milieu. The only way to find something that does not express the same energy as Tolkien is to cross a cultural ocean. Chinese Cultivation Fantasy, maybe?

>>96067158
This is a really interesting take that I feel touches on the undercurrent of what I failed to see. Obviously Tolkien's background as a historian and linguist allowed him to recontextualize many Eurocentric myths and legends into his stories, drawing from a rich cultural storehouse that has been shaped by centuries of written and oral storytelling. You can definitely pinpoint references to individual stories, an obvious one being Balor of the Baleful Eye in Irish mythology as an inspiration for Sauron. But exploring cultures of other nations would be interesting for a setting. Chinese cultivation and Indian epics would be the most obvious to start with I feel. I know of a few games that draw on folklore of southeast Asia and Oceania as the setting.

>>96066075 (OP)
>I made a video
Buy an ad

>Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien?
I have before and I will again. There's more to fantasy than plagiarizing Tolkien and inserting magical realm shit.

>Would you find a homebrew game based off of Dunsany's, Hodgson's, or Smith's works interesting?
I wouldn't be interested in someone else's homebrew, but I might do it myself some day. Dunsany, sure. Smith, maybe. Hodgson, no.

>>96066075 (OP)
Just came here to say that I prefer her brother.

>>96068551
Based

>>96067522
>I wouldn't be interested in someone else's homebrew, but I might do it myself some day. Dunsany, sure. Smith, maybe. Hodgson, no.
Thanks for the response, great art by the way. What's your reason for cutting out Hodgson?

>>96068848
Just never cared much for him. I read all his works and none of them really resonated with me (except for The Night Land funnily enough), which is a shame, and also strange because I'm a great admirer of the writers he influenced

>>96068984
That's understandable. He never really gained as much of a traction as his peers during his youth.

>>96068551
>>96068621
Holy shit he's the perfect woman.

>>96069038
Binkie has a disturbing talent of designing effeminate male characters like this.

>>96069194
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
Disturbing talent.

>>96069218
It gets clicks, I'm not knocking it.

>>96069231
well, somebody knocked it alright

>>96069311
Heh

>>96067019
Can't wait to see them

>>96066075 (OP)
No one wants to watch your faggy, poorly researched youtube video.

>>96068621
>>96069194
>>96069311
I have no idea who this is, but my penis pushes for more.

>>96068551
>>96068621
>>96069194
>>96069311
>>96069690
>fucking a cocky brat so hard he falls in love and gets pregnant
Could there be anything better?

>>96067341
>Chinese cultivation and Indian epics
Your mistake here is thinking that everyone's going to have an interest in these things just because they're distinct. If anything, Fantasy should return to its roots because it has been more than enough time trying to hard to be "original" and subversive.

>>96070273
I think there's a kernel of truth to this as well. When you look at the fantasy anime that's been lauded over recently like Frieren and Dungeon Meshi, their reviews primarily focus on the quality and depth of the execution of Tolkienesque tropes rather than an attempt to subvert them.

>>96066075 (OP)
>please watch my video
buy an ad or at least expand on the points you make in the video in your post.
>Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien?
if I liked it, yes. duh. who but autist-prime would say "this isn't Tolkien inspired, so I'm not interested"?

>>96066075 (OP)
>>96066208
>>96069194
>>96068621
I hate this artist

>>96066075 (OP)
>Would you play a fantasy game in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien?
Yes
>watch my video
Suck my cock.

>>96066914
>>96067019
>>96069596
Saddest samefagging I've seen in years.

>>96066242
>>96066390
Most JRPGs if we're including things outside literature

>>96072283
>buy an ad or at least expand on the points you make in the video in your post.
One critique I did get was that the formatting wasn't good. For the future I think I will focus on only one topic to expound upon rather than trying to address multiple ones in a single video.

>>96070273
>thinking that everyone's going to have an interest in these things
Who the fuck cares what everyone does? We're not producing a franchise for mass market appeal, we're planning a game, as in, something to be play a group. As long as you can get 4-5 people to play it, nothing else matters.

>>96073268
Sure, you will spend 6 months developing a ruleset and setting just for 5 people to play.

>>96073523
>spend 6 months developing a ruleset and setting just for 5 people to play
Based and worth it

>>96073523
That's called passion for a hobby. I'm sure such a concept must be utterly alien to you.

>>96075122
No, someone who has passion will make a book for many people. You in this case are making shit up to win this argument. Like I said, Fantasy has spent enough time trying to "subvert" instead of learning.

>>96076380
>Like I said, Fantasy has spent enough time trying to "subvert" instead of learning.

NTA, but I agree. The first rule of fantasy should be, "Don't explain everything." No more naturalistic/scientific taxonomies. It doesn't have to make sense to the characters, from their perspective. Only the gods (and maybe a few powerful magicians) understand the mysteries of the supernatural.

The histories of the fantastic should be eldritch and enshrouded in mystery. The origins of Evil agents are lies and superstition. A 'common' mythos should change from region to region - due to the idiosyncrasies of the people.

Magic shouldn't be a substitute way of doing the mundane. It should always be a strange kind of miraculous phenomena. It would always distort reality when used.

Powerful magical artifacts exist to manipulate the characters who use them. The mysterious agendas of the Gods are put into motion by such machinations.

Cultures/races should be a reflection of their synergistic relationships to the rest of the world. If the culture/race has a mythical counterpart in earthly folklore, then it should at least resonate somewhat with that folklore.

If your players only know what they know from popular culture, movies, video games, etc., then perhaps they would enjoy seeing a revitalized take on the old (hate this word) tropes?

>>96076380
>someone who has passion will make a book for many people
that not passion for the hobby or product, that is an obsession with marketing and being popular
if you like X you want to make X, not chance X to appeal to a wider audience

>>96079965
fuck off wonderfag

>>96070273
>Your mistake here is thinking that everyone's going to have an interest in these things
the popularity of anime, manga and light novels says otherwise

>>96080068
>fuck off wonderfag

The fuck does that mean?

>>96080068
>if you like X you want to make X, not chance X to appeal to a wider audience
Broken English aside, this is 100% correct

>>96080174
Do you know what a 'wonderfag' is then?

>>96080150
There's a lot of parroting on /tg/ to the tune of the usual arguments on how you can only maintain TRUE magic/a sense of wonder/mystery in the fantasy if you deliberately make it vague, uncommon, and poorly explained. When people say this I just assume the mysteries really aren't that interesting.

>>96080237
>When people say this I just assume the mysteries really aren't that interesting.

Oh no, I completely agree. However, if all of the mysteries are known upfront doesn't that kind of take away from said wonderfaggotry?

Also, I'd agree that to keep things vague, uncommon and poorly explained would suck too.

Instead, it should be a bread crumb trail. Each step in the fantasy world should reveal little fragments of the supernatural. It's up to the characters to assemble these pieces knowledge into a coherent understanding of the world they're in. For example: Discovering a monster's weakness shouldn't be a matter of looking it up in a game manual. Characters should seek in-game sources, whether it's the; folklore of the villagers, the recollection of an aged priest, or cave drawings from a lost people who defeated the creature when last it terrorized the populace.

Also, anything poorly explained sucks too. I'd say inundate the characters with little factoids - but leave it to the players to discover the validity of the information.

>>96072634
Why?

>>96080068
No, creative endeavours are made to be enjoyed by other people. That's why Michelangelo worked on Cathedrals that are standing to this day and why Shakespeare wrote plays to be acted in front of a crowd. Is why all works of art are preserved in libraries or museums which are largely accessible to the public. Every artist/writer wants to show their creation. If you have never created anything in your life and don't know this sentiment, please refrain from giving shit advice.

>>96066075 (OP)
>Muh Tolkien inspiration
How many more of those obsessive threads you plan to make, China?

>>96080188
No, because I didn't respond to that part of the post, and I didn't respond to >>96080150.
Cry about it to someone else.

>>96073523
Conversely you could just sit and watch tik tok? What could better than a mental exercise for you and your homies?

>>96066075 (OP)
Yes.
I've played/DM;d Stormbringer (Moorcock) and Conan (Howard).

>>96080113
But the more popular, be far, are the ones than tread well beaten rythms, not the subversive. Au contrary than modern western tv/animation, wich only subverts, and its in the shitter in popularity.

>>96080595
I don't know, I just do

>>96080724
You are conflating hobbyists making things for themselves and people that also like the things they like, how few they be, with professionals making things to make money and as such needing to please others
You don't like art, or fantasy, or anything else
You just want the veneer of popularity

Tolkien didn't wrote the Lord of the Rings or the Silmarilion because he wanted to appeal to the wider-audienceTM, he wrote those to have a place for his conlangs to exist on and later to have a mythology that was distinctively English but at the same time reconcilable with his Catholicism; all his work being just a combination of all the things he was passionate about

>>96081658
Not really when you see how popular titles like Madoka, Konosuba, Shield Hero or Dungeon Mesh got or how revenge centered stories became common on manga and LNs

>subversive
I don't really know what you mean by this, because for me it seems you are using this word just as a short for "anything that don't follow this tropes and plot points that I like"

>>96068551
>Just came here to say that I prefer her brother.
Ja?

>>96084499
RPGs were invented because Gygax and his friends wanted to share their modification of wargames to others. Tolkien wrote the Legendarium with the explicit purpose of showing it to others. I don't know why stating these simple and well-known facts has sent you into a spiral of impotent seething like it's a personal offense.
>Muh wide audience
Nobody has mentioned wide audiences except you, retarded schizo.

>>96089266
>Tolkien wrote the Legendarium with the explicit purpose of showing it to others
tolkien never published the silmarilion and he didn't wrote just to show to others, he was very clear about his motivations on his letters and notes

>seething
just pointing how retarded your rhetoric of "don't make thing you like the way you like because it's niche and wont appeal to many people" is

>Nobody has mentioned wide audiences
you whole argument is that people should make games or stories to appeal to many people instead of doing what they like because few people might get interested
that's the whole "wider audience TM" argument that big corporations try to push

>>96066075 (OP)
sure would. you have tons of settings, just look at any myth out there and adapt it.
>video games
wrong board though

>>96089494
>tolkien never published the silmarilion
Because he was a perfectionist that spent years polishing it. He wanted to publish it and eventually his son Christopher did for him.
>Goalpost changed to "he didn't it JUST to show it to others"
You lost.

>>96090619
I didn't move any goalpost, in fact I pretty much just repeated myself

>>96066075 (OP)
This might be of your interest
https://youtu.be/XYtlQE8_w90
https://youtu.be/w6Zz4QsI6Ok

>>96066075 (OP)
I would only play in a setting inspired by someone other than Tolkien, tired of medieval slop, any other time period or even continental aesthetic would be fresh air.

>>96092203
Oh thank you! Appreciate it tremendously friend!

>>96066075 (OP)
Yeah I've played dnd quite a bit. How about you?

>>96066075 (OP)
>>96066081
I think I've played in more Conan-inspired settings than I have LoTR ones desu

>>96093021
Regrettably I haven't. No good time to schedule. Personally looking at Daggerheart's campaign frame for End Of Umbra would be perfect for a game in The Night Land.

>>96093223
You are not a girl.

>>96093237
No but I like Binkie's art.

>>96093263
Shoo shill.

I like these characters but there is just something about the artist that is utterly superficial and it puts me off

>>96066075 (OP)
>>96066498
>>96068621
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>>96069311
>using BasedBinkie's art to shill your lazy wikireading vid
Not a creative bone in your body, huh?

>>96066075 (OP)
I despise, to my core, monocultures, so yes, I would absolutely. The more original and drug-fueled your setting the more I enjoy it. However, one thing I will not discuss: If dwarves exist in any capacity they must mine.