Gundamchad Edition

>Build Divide
>Force of Will
>Final Fantasy TCG
>DBZ CCG
>Wixoss
>Keyforge
>Gundam
>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)
>Digimon
>Flesh and Blood
>Gate Ruler
>Battle Spirits
>Ashes
>One Piece
>The other DBZ game
>Sorcery
>Doomtown
>Warlord
>Magi Nation
>Lord of the Rings
>Neopets
>The Condemned CCG
>Grand Archive TCG
>Disney Lorcana
>Hubworld: Aidalon
>Earthborne Games
>Riftbound
etc.

Post about card games you've played and help other anons get to know your games!

Pastebin/Rules for some games
>Wixoss
https://pastebin.com/LC8SpttH
>FoW
https://pastebin.com/aGEBEKeF
>Dragonball GT SD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pj_0YeUXI5g4XyKwbAXJuZCGt3qWJwyp
>Gate Ruler
https://pastebin.com/nbcZP0nB
>Build Divide
https://pastebin.com/1cQT2pkz
>FaB
https://rentry.org/oypcs
>Ashes Reborn
https://pastebin.com/2jr0EG9S
>Netrunner
https://pastebin.com/g3yQAQ7w
>Fusion World
https://www.dbs-cardgame.com/fw/pdf/rules/fw_OfficialRule_Manual_en_v1.00_2.pdf
>Various Japanese CCGs without western translation (page is in moonrunes)
http://card.g1.xrea.com/tcg/catalog.html
>The Condemned CCG
https://pastebin.com/Liu2E7Rq

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>Previous Thread
>>96030781

>Thread Question
Whats your all-time favorite alternative art card?

First for GCG is fun but SEED is absolute dogshit

>>96076943
I dunno, I had a game against a seed deck and if you have pilots ready to go for level 3/4 it's a pain to deal with.
Then again, I got unlucky with my Zeon's rush deck and drew bases and Sinanjus instead of Goufs and Zaku 2's.

>>96076998
Zeon's Rush is definitely an archetype that really emphasizes the RUSH part of it. Because if you don't keep swinging you'll quickly run out of resources, especially as there's no blockers in the deck

My shop is doing a starter deck only event for gundam. Which deck do you think is the strongest OOB

>>96077014
That's why I am combining the green zeon stuff with the OZ part of the wing structure deck, blockers and decent deck control.

>>96077015
I like Zeon's rush, but the white base/earth federation stuff is probably the most balanced.

>>96077015
Probably Wing. SEED's ok, Zeon really needs you to draw the right cards and Heroic Beginnings seems to be the weakest.

>>96077020
I'm too into thematics so after my starter event I tried to combine the deck with the Zeon beta cards I had including my alt art Char. I do plan on trying to get the Zeon Assemble set too, so maybe I'll try your strat using the cards from that.

>>96077023
Wing having Breach 5 with a pilot giving it +3/+2 is such a stronk card.

>>96077032
I have found the structure deck does pair well. More Char zaku tokens thanks to the beta version and rick doms giving early breach is a god send.

>>96077039
Yeah, it's a very powerful card in a deck with a good chunk of blockers due to the Oz side of the deck meaning you have potential for a monstrous offense and an actual usable defense. Used my beta cards to add some extra draw power with Show of Resolve as well as adding another Wing Gundam LR to the deck. One cool thing I noticed is that the beta version has slightly different coloration compared to retail

>>96077073
Don't forget the save up to Wing isn't that bad at all thanks to the EX resource generation of bird mode. I had a game where someone got to level 8 really quickly thanks to bird modes.

>>96077032
a man of culture playing a $400 card, flex on the poors.

I had a general question about TCGs so I'm posting it here

Is there any real room for player expression if you're playing a TCG seriously? In like an FPS game or a fighting game, while there's a meta, you can still often be successful using specific different characters or by altering your playstyle, since so much of the moment to moment time spent is driven by your agency and choices

But in a TCG, where your resources and actions are mostly dictated by the RNG of your deck composition and there's no executional skill element, just knowledge checks and I guess maybe reading the expression of the other player to guess what they're going for, is there really any reason to NOT just go with the most meta deck and to not always just go for the most optimal play? Can you actually make a less meta deck work competitively just by leaning into a specific "playstyle"?

>>96077098
I'm a weird type of player so take my word with a grain of salt, I usually play for the random aspect if the TCG allows it. Those type of cards that aren't meta but in the right conditions can springboard into absolute fucking bullshit. I play not to win but to try and have the most fun out of it, any time the draws don't go my way, I shrug my shoulders and shuffle again.

>>96077112
I could see the fun in that in a situation where your own skill and choices really still influenced your success, like you played to the strengths of that suboptimal build to outplay somebody with a better one, but if like 95% of the outcome of a match is dictated JUST by the RNG of your draws and the utility of your deck, then I don't see the appeal of running something suboptimal since you winning or losing is mostly out of your control anyways

>>96077126
See, that's where I see it: It's out of my control, might as well make the most out of it rather than worrying about it. Besides, I play most TCGs with thematic decks more than anything else, it's the same as when I play wargames or RPGs.

>>96077098
I get the impression you're going to dismiss any skill or style expressing part of TCGs as not suitable to your definition. No, it's not all automatic but no, it's not the same as fighting games or a FPS at all. How could it be? Those games are both bodily in a way cards just aren't.

When you play at a high level, the "meta" is your card choices made after considering the most likely field of opponents - it's not a decklist on an aggregator website. Real people are responsible for creating "the meta" in a continuous process. It's not handed down by a council.
Yes, you sometimes want to make "suboptimal" plays if you can figure out what you're opponent is holding. One of the larger FaB tournaments was won by a guy who locked out his opponent by choosing not to attack iirc.

>>96077098
We call that "tech choices" in TCG lingo. Basically, the expression comes in the deck building phase, rather than the gameplay itself. Even if you're playing meta there are things to consider based on your game of choice such as:
>sideboard
>cards ran outside of your main engine
>cards placed in your main deck to prep for specific matchups (mirrors, Vs. #1 deck, Vs. your deck's hard-counter, etc.) that come at the expense of overall consistency.

Hopefully this makes sense to you. Aside from that, there's also the concept of bluffing in games that allow something like that (playing a weak creature/monster/whatever and making your opponent think you have a battle-trap type card waiting in the wings even if you don't)

>>96076943
Nah, I think the Seed deck is totally fine. It's got a ton of defenders and a base that untaps a defender, a burst that makes a blocker (which is amazing by itself because I don't think any of the other bursts makes a token, and making a token on your opponent's turn means it can attack on yours), it has big tempo with bounce and AP changing, and MA Aegis is the cheapest breach that can attack whatever it wants when it's linked.

>>96077203
I cannot wait to paint up my Zakus and Tallgeese. These models are pretty neat.

>>96077162
>I get the impression you're going to dismiss any skill or style expressing part of TCGs as not suitable to your definition

I mean, I don't know what that looks like in the context of a TCG, so I can't say if it "counts" or not yet, but I'm wanting to know, hence why I asked

And it's not really about if it counts or not, I'm trying to determine if I'd find it fun or not. It's also not like I'm coming at this as a complete outsider: I played in weekly Yugioh and Duel masters tournaments back in the mid to late 2000s, though at the time I didn't know what I was doing too much.

>>96077200
It does make sense, in the same way that in competitive Pokemon there's a fairly limited set of viable Pokemon, but using a meta team as a base you can switch around a few specific mons to alternatives or use a few alternative moves without altering your viability too much and to try to predict and counter the same choices other players are making

But there's still more RNG involved on a TCG's end, and ultimately when so much of the fun of a TCG (in my mind) is deckbuilding, having a limited set of viable options to begin with seems like it undermines the point. I'm just not sure it's for me

LGS had half a box of loose packs, so I scooped them up. Hit a nice Royal, the best scratchoff code (which I'll just sell), and the box hit Ultra Rare, so that went quite well.

Grabbed some "Tiger Cub" dice because kitty.

This dice tower makes a very satisfying sound but was a bit of a pain in the ass to assemble. Still, with the constant dice rolling in Neopets, it made for a fun addition to the game.
We modded our decks and played all day. Was a good time.

>>96077655
it's shit at randomizing the die, you get way too many even numbers

>>96077779
Well, we were rolling a total of about 12-20d6 total every turn and certainly didn't notice any anomalies with it.
Also, your assertion just seems weird.

>>96077096
there is no way the alt arts actually sell for that much even with current FOMO>>96077096

>>96077816
i also tried it with ashes and almost never got a power symbol, it's portability also sucks

>>96077203
Fuck now I'm tempted to buy the other 2 assemble decks

If it hasn't been covered, what Gundam series are you looking forward to make decks out of? 00 is already in, so my next will be 8th MS Team.

>>96078205
Char's Counterattack, Let me run 0079 Char, Quattro and CCA Char in one deck please

>>96078215
If only it were to be possible to run every char clone in one deck for shits and gigs.

>>96078010
>it's portability also sucks
That's a reasonable critique.
Blaming bad rolls on the dice tower is a bit schizo, though.

>>96077436
As a completive player, there's no such thing as a meta for an upcoming event. There's only the meta that existed at the previous event. Every player is simultaneously trying to predict what next weekend will look like, what different changes each player will make, what the popularity of different archetypes will be. There's also a large degree of individual variance even among meta decks, one person will top with a card that another player running the same deck isn't using, because they happen to like card A better or worse than card B for the slot.

But only like 1 to 0.1% of tcg players are competitive enough for that to matter. Most people just play locals where you can do whatever.

>>96077098
to answer this, at the absolute peak of competition which there is almost no chance you will ever play at so this is kinda dumb it works close enough to how you think it does for the short answer to be you are right.
the main personal choice is in predicting the metagame of the event correctly and make the small +1/-1 maindeck and sideboard choices accordingly.
but TCG's without huge playerbases or huge esports/comp/payout events are all personal expression all the way to the top. because it takes a TON of data to solve the power level of a given TCG at a given moment in a given format.
>no executional skill element
this part of your hypothesis just shows you have never actually played a TCG
that's like saying because there is an optimal combo route for a given opening hit at a given distance from the corner at a given life total with a given amount of <resource>....
yes TCG's you can't miss your inputs (executional) but in the pressure of play always seeing all the lines and picking the one with the best +EV every time is so far from simple or easy let alone from being something anyone can do automatically.

>>96078376
also to add to this, there is an "executional skill" element i think in a way.
in order to play right you have to literally make sure you remember and do everything positive your cards can do. that may sound easy and dumb but many many players forget things they could have done.
stacking everything you want to do in the correct order to get the best outcome is also a basic mistake that depending on the complexity of the turn/deck/game can happen a lot to even the guys at/near the top.
all of that type of stuff basically replaces
>executional skill
the top player will tell you that he expects to never make any of those mistakes but you'll still see it happen to the very best under pressure to perform

>>96078205
G Gundam.

But I can see what Bandai is putting down in terms of theme. Most cards/decks are gonna be thematically pretty thin and most suits are mechanically generic and forgettable. Your get one main character pilot and suit, a couple lesser suits that also link with them, and that's the Cool Thing™ your deck does. You'll probably run 1-2 lesser pilots that offer support or lower level link options, which is thematic in an abstract way, but not especially satisfying.

But my point is whatever you're excited for, you're basically going to get the MC, their main suit, a couple variants of their suit, and that's going to be the core of their deck. The other suits from the show will appear, may or may not make your deck (depending on if having the same traits is relevant enough to include them over potentially stronger cards from other series), but will mostly be filler cards. Like other characters and suits are there, but eg, the blue half of ST01 is the "Amuro and RX-78 Deck", everyone else is just along for the ride. Grunt suit enjoyers just aren't going to get much satisfaction.

I have made peace with this, and so I shant be disappointed later. If Domon and God Gundam are cool, I will be happy. If Tequila Gundam is a generic 1/2 that never leaves the binder, well, that's unfortunately thematic.

>>96078394
>in order to play right you have to literally make sure you remember and do everything positive your cards can do. that may sound easy and dumb but many many players forget things they could have done.
>stacking everything you want to do in the correct order to get the best outcome is also a basic mistake that depending on the complexity of the turn/deck/game can happen a lot to even the guys at/near the top.

Keep in mind that a major event can be 10 straight hours of this, plus jet lag. Even if your deck followed a literal static flowchart every game it would be difficult to execute flawlessly by the end of the day. Mental fatigue is extremely real.

>>96078205
I just want them to make baund doc be good. Im hoping mobile armor is some sort of base that can also swing.

>>96078473
Shamblo and Big Zam are just extremely expensive units, they didn't even give them a "Mobile Armor" trait.

>>96077098
There's none.
It's like it's in fighters, except worse, you have the figured out meta picks with their set in stone optimal combos and every other character or playstyle you pick is you choosing to have a massive, mathematically provable, objective handicap that you can never overcome.
The only difference is that in TCGs the meta picks costs $500 in singles to unlock instead of $18.99 in DLC.

There is no room for expression outside the picture on the sleeves you buy.

>>96078519
like this guy said, just don't play FAB or MTG

>>96078552
If you had to do it in two words, how would you summarize your feelings towards either of those two games?

>>96078624
Mental illness

>>96077203

Doesn't Corsica Base autospawn a Tallgeese token when it bursts?

>>96077655

Always like the pleasing sound my TTCombat mdf tower makes. Bit small though, so big dice rolls aren't really feasible.

>>96078205

Obscure game stuff, like we ended up getting in Gundam War. I want Blue Destiny. I want Psycho Gundam Mk3. It want the Rhinoceros and the MLRS variant of the GP02.
I want the weird nu-druggie trio themed Impulse Packs for the Impulse that the designer scribbled on the back of a ciggy case. I want Crossbones and Advance of Zeta... Gimme that obscure horseshit.

>>96078636
On your turn, so you have to play it from hand, not burst.

>>96078491
im hoping it becomes a thing later, and the starters are scuffed to booster release. either way need me some BOUND DAWG

fantasy tcgs in shambles
scifi tcg era is now

>>96078655
concept art alt arts would be sick

>>96078641
Ooh, I really like the aesthetic of yours! ^_^

>>96078655
Absolutely based.

Fusion World is Bandai's best card game post Digimon and I'm tired of pretending like it's not.

So hows the gameplay for Riftbound?

>>96078837
wrong

>>96078837
fusion world is the only major tcg released in the post-covid boom that was genuinely unfun to play

>>96078837
bait use to be believable.

>>96078885
I don't know how you monkey brained faggots can say something like this when One Piece exists

>>96078491
You're gonna be Big Zam?!
https://youtu.be/dJSbQnqyxHA?si=5lEmVxqQgu0makRD

>>96078837
Fusion Poop is boring compared to 2017-2018 Masters

>MSRP is $90
>store sells product for $90
>first 12 people get boxes, store is sold out
>half those 12 people just turn around and flip them online

>MSRP is $90
>store sells product for $180
>whichever people are willing to shell out the cash get a box, store maybe doesn't sell out instantly
>number of boxes in the world is still 12
>flgs gets to keep the extra revenue
>everyone buying it is buying to open it

reminder that market pricing is ok, you're allowed to simply not buy the product, the shortage is the manufacturer's fault, and online scalpers serve an economically useful purpose (finding unsold inventory gathering dust in some small store off the beaten path, generating that store a sale, and getting it onto the online marketplace)

>>96079010
kill yourself scalper

>>96077823
yeah you're right its not $400 anymore last sales were 270
cany find any on the market for <$500 right now (none have sold so far) . prices got jacked when they confirmed the beta alts are exclusive

people are also going insane over the full arts from the starter packs.

>breaks your card game

>>96079010
Scalper should be scalped. Simple as.

>>96079085
???

>>96079010
Buy that unsold inventory and fuck off from new releases then

>>96079085
kneel for the king

>>96078845
it's one piece meets marvel snap with runeterra dna. it's not gonna be everyone's cup of tea but I enjoy playing it.

>>96079080
all the starter full arts will drop dramatically between so many being opened and half the cards probably being bulk to whatevers in the actual booster set.

>>96079085
7k with the downside of "only" being 5k seems insane.
I feel like with proper support you can ramp to 10 quickly and then just completely run away with the game.

you know what? fuck product bloat, fuck undercooked mechanics, fuck playing chicken as a main mechanic, fuck the prices, fuck the cheating pro scene, fuck investors and fuck project blue, i'm switching to sorcery from fab

FUCKFAB

>>96079396
based

>>96077098

Many have mentioned deck building and reading the meta, but I think it's obvious you mostly have piloting a deck in mind.
It's highly game dependent but yes.

>always just go for the most optimal play?
Provided you can even see it.
It's like asking if chess takes skill if there is always an optimal engine move to make.

>>96079085
One Piece colors are so weird
Red is Unga and stat nerfing
Green and Blue should be the same color
Purple is just lol ramp and random ass effects
Yellow is cloth manipulation
Black is some bullshit called cost reduction and grave/discard

>>96078624
FUCK FAB
How did he miss the layup?

Deckbuilding in Gundam feels pretty weird. I'm sure that's just because it's new (to me) and the card pool is small, but also the link mechanics and power level of aggro drive a lot of it, it feels bad to set up your deck in a way that makes links awkward. But maybe time will prove that early links are worse than they seem because it leads to card disadvantage?

>missed a demo event for Riftbound yesterday
That chaps my ass. I was at that store Friday for a Gundam event and I didn't see anything advertised about a Riftbound event. Fuck me, I wanted to try it.

>>96078837
Can't believe I read this bullshit today.
As someone who played and enjoyed the Masters version, you got me triggered. Well done.

>>96079677
Well Masters sucks cocks. Imagine playing a game where every deck plays a one of and it auto wins the game on the spot. You and all Masters players should kill themselves.

>>96079559
Anyways, here's a mono-green Zeon aggro deck, I guess? I wonder if we'll eventually get cards that reward being mono-color, like SWU does.

>>96079525
One Piece is heavily inspired by a "color = board zone / card section" design paradigm. Yellow interacts with the life cards, black with the discard pile and card costs, etc.

>>96077436
Teambuilding in pokemon is probably the best comparison you're going to get, although in that game you can run a mon that looks the same on the surface, but with a non-standard moveset, EV spread or held item, which is a bit different than TCGs (except for the few where you need to reveal a "leader" type card at the start of the game, I guess.)

>>96078397
Oh good there's another G Gundam fan in here.
In the 0.0001% chance we get in and somehow meet at an event I'll do Domon and Master Asia's routine with you.

Not me, current day, building new Lorcana decks, even though in a month and a half, nearly half the cards will be illegal.
No sir. What kind of fool would do so?

Deck name: Mighty Shifting Floodborn Rangers

>>96080157
Isn't there a better shift up deck? I think it's one with the card that can shift to anything and the bird that shifts by discarding a card
>even though in a month and a half, nearly half the cards will be illegal
How does rotation work? When there are 9 sets in standard, the older 4 become illegal?

What's going to be the Queen of Gundam?
This common was $50+ at one point. I can't get all the starter decks so that's the kind of shit that's going to make me quit Gundam, expensive staples from the initial starter decks.

>>96080223
the zowort and the white base both seem incredibly strong

>>96080275
Striker Pack is an incredible card and is debatably better than a Base on Burst

>>96080297
haven't seen the sneed decklist honestly

>>96080297
Striker Pack almost seems like a mandatory 4-of in any deck running white regardless of what else it's doing.

When is Bandai bringing back Zenonzard?

>>96080429
Agreed. There is no reason not to run it. I think green+white breech is going to be hella strong

>>96080429
>>96080297
>>96080275
Nice, ST04 is the only one I bought.
Though I think if I want to play this game beyond starter deck events I would want to play blue because I want draw power in my deck.

>>96080544
Yeah, the breach goes hard. But even in general, Striker is just weirdly good. It's
>4/2 or 2/4, both with blocker, for 2, which is arguably above curve to begin with
>but you get to choose whichever suits your needs better at the time
>but it's ALSO the only card in the game that plays units when triggered as a burst
>the literal only downside/restriction is having no other earth alliance unit tokens out, which will basically never be a problem even for an earth alliance deck, let alone a zeon or earth federation deck

>>96080222
>the card that can shift to anything
Morph
I was considering Morph for this one, he's the right color after all (emerald), but even though his power is useful, I'm using all 4 copies that I own in a different deck, because Alice doesn't have any decent shift targets (see pic related), and also because each of the other shift targets actually do something I want them to, whereas Morph only morphs. Finally, I *could* get more copies of Morph, but he may be rotating out in a month and a half, so I risk having to replace him anyway (same with Gramma Tala, but we'll cross that ocean when we get to it).
>the bird that shifts by discarding a card
Diablo
Diablo would be an amazing addition to any Emerald deck, trouble is, I was never able to get one. They're always sold out at all the singles dealers near me, and they're still $25+ online before shipping, despite being from set 4, and also possibly rotated out in September. So, right now, paying $100+ for a play set just doesn't seem worthwhile.
>How does rotation work? When there are 9 sets in standard, the older 4 become illegal?
So when Fabled (set 9) is released, the first 4 sets will become illegal in standard tournaments. However, they said that there will be 'legacy' tournaments, but it's hard to guess how widespread those will be. Also, in Fabled, nearly half the cards are going to be reprints. Any card that they reprint in a legal set will make all versions of that card legal in standard tournaments, so if I get lucky and they reprint Gramma Tala and Morph, I'll still be able to use the cards I already have (and maybe it'll be time to spring for a set of Diablos).

>>96080681
Speaking of reprints, did anybody notice that they reprinted one of the earliest Captain Hook cards in set 8? I only noticed this the other day, and I wonder if there were any other cards that got quietly reprinted that I'm unaware of.

>>96080681
>Morph
Until he rotates, you can leave 4 empty sleeves in the other deck's deckbox and use him in both decks
>Diablo
WTF?! $25?! Nope, nope. Too much. Forget what I said.
>Rotation
But will the same happen when set 13 is released, making only sets 9~13 legal?

>>96079101
Nah, too risky lmao. Imma slam dem preorders in ebay niBBa frfr.
Only suckas finna be sellin prahduct that ain't HOT yaherrme?
FUCK YOU
PAY ME

>>96080773
>Until he rotates, you can leave 4 empty sleeves
I could, but I hate doing that. I hope he does reprint, though.
>But will the same happen when set 13 is released, making only sets 9~13 legal?
I'm not 100% sure on this, but some people seem to think so. I personally think it would be smarter to cycle out one set for every new set, so that the card pool stays the same size, and you don't have to make another set that's 50% reprints (and instead, maybe just 10% reprints per set or so). I have a feeling that Fabled might sell poorly due to how much of it will be reprints.

>>96080464
>Zenonzard
UUUOHHHH ZENAARRDON
KANTOOOOOOO

>>96080554
White has card looting and returning trash

I actually bought some Neopets packs at Target today (fuck the 2 item limit on blister packs btw should be a limit of 4 on blisters) since that was the first time ever seeing it at shelves and I managed to pull a crimped Skeith with the pack sealing imprint all along the entire bottom. Pretty cool misprint, not sure how common these are.

I had given up hope on ever finding the Gundam starter decks, but it turns out my local comic shop chain has one location that got a case of them, and somehow nobody there gave a shit. They still have all four decks available!

>>96081366
My LGS had around 24 of each. For context we had 18 people show up for the starter set event. (They only got 4 or 6 each of the Assemble boxes, though.)

>>96078205
Build Divers Re Rise, the secret best Gundam series

>>96081390
The phone call I got from my store asking me if I wanted any of those decks, the guy didn't know that there were Assemble boxes. So I just said I wanted all four boxes, and if they had the ones with the model kits I wanted those, but if they didn't have the ones with the model kits I'd take the regular ones. And he said he'd written that down and that's what he would tell the other store, and then the decks would be transferred up to my local store.

So I know I'm getting all four decks but genuinely have no clue if I'm getting the Assembles ones or the regular ones.

Not gonna lie, this launch has been a stressful nightmare for me. This is the first card game I've ever tried to be into from launch. Is it always like this?

>>96081445
>Is it always like this?
It was tough getting into Lorcana, but they massively underestimated the demands at launch.

>>96081445
>>96081390
I feel bad that I got all the assembly boxes and never made a kit or painted shit before and got them just to try it and theres people who really really wanted just the minis and my paint jobs gonna suck.

>>96081445
It varies. Some games launch better than others. In general demand is almost impossible to estimate and there are massive financial penalties for fucking it up, it's just genuinely hard to hit the needle.

>>96081476
You have nothing to feel bad about. The hardcore serious painters will be drowning in models when Assemble comes out fully. You're the exact target audience for the tcg promo boxes.

>>96081476
As a long term Gunpla fan who really wanted the Assembly boxes, I'm just happy they went to someone who will actually build and paint them.

The Assembly kits are much more like wargaming miniatures than normal Gunpla kits, and there are tons of great tutorials on how to paint those on Yotube. The ones Warhammer put out are especially beginner friendly (just remember you don't have to buy their brand of paint)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2R9IywN-VQ

anyone playing the new metazoo?

I'm surprised nobody has made any gundam deckbuilding or gameplay videos since the full set list came out. I know it's only been like 2 days, but that's plenty of time for a fast mover trying to be first to upload.

>>96080934
I'll play blue/white then

>>96081655
I want the game to be popular enough that they keep going long enough to do all the anime pilots and get into obscure manga and game characters, but not so popular that it's impossible to build a collection

Is that so much to ask?

It's a Bandai game, not much to worry about.

>>96081893
It's a bandai game dude, even Union Arena gets allocated at my lgs down to 1 fucking box a set lol. Good luck

>>96081655
only the beta sets and the structure decks are out right now, no point on theorycrafting deck builds when you only have a certain amount of cards to work with, i have seen some videos of people optimizing the structure decks as well as what cards to implement from the upcoming set though

>>96080845
It was a real game I swear ;_;
It even had some physical cards in Japan too.

>>96082057
the set list for set one is out, just not the physical product

>>96076943
its really not helped that need to buy like 3 other decks to get close combat and unforeseen incident (huge red/white staples)

>>96076943
you mean the show? yeah I agree

Gundam needs draw on pair just like Digimon has draw on Digivolve. It's so obvious I can't believe it doesn't work that way already.

>>96082159
there's a couple that do, so they consciously made the decision to not make that universal

>>96082188
well it was a stupid decision
there's a reason you draw on Digivolve in Digimon because you'd have no god damn cards if you didn't which is the same exact problem Gundam has

>>96082159
>>96082203
learn to protect your card advantage, digiboy, you don't get free draw to make up for your sloppy plays out here on the streets

>>96082203
yeah for sure, the game completely lacks searching and has very little draw power. they'll smooth that over soon I'm sure, they aren't new to this

>>96082214
>the game completely lacks searching
red and green both have search effects

>>96082222
I kneel to the quads

Draw once per turn is outdated anyways

>>96081499
>You're the exact target audience for the tcg promo boxes.
kek. your probably right. I use to build zoids and gunpla as a kid to teen but stopped for the last 15 years. I felt stupid trying to put this together considering there were no instructions despite it being 5 pieces.
>>96081535
Ill watch a few. was it a mistake to put it together before painting it? I feel like taking it apart will be a problem..

My LGS actually got so many Gundam starter decks for how little Bandai games are played there it's crazy

>>96082214
>game completely lacks searching
the game isnt even out yet. wait till set 1 full spoiler before dooming about no card draw.

>>96080998
Hard to say how common they are since the game is so niche, but between myself and several people I talk to online we've opened like 6 cases, and somebody has posted one crimp error like that.
Also, was your target charging $6/pack? Because I saw that and was like wtf even.

>>96082372
Putting it together was the right move, although you may want to lave off something like the Gundam's shield just to make it easier to get teh details on the torsoo.

>>96082433
the shield is one arm, it took me a minute to figure out how the hand and gun went onto it though.
should I prime the pieces together?

>>96082356
It was extremely painful to play SWU for a year and then try Gundam and lose my draw 2 resource 1. Unlike the Magic players at my Gundam event (who griped, loudly, the whole time about every mechanic that was different from magic) I'm not pre-emptively judging the game for it, but it was a real personal battle.

>>96082389
Full set 1 spoiler is out
>https://www.gundam-gcg.com/en/cards/index.php
or
>https://exburst.dev/gundam/cardlist

>>96082372
99% of the time it's better to just assemble and paint rather than try to leave pieces apart and paint after. It's almost always more pain than it's worth

>>96078491

I mean, it's not bad. Breach, and by the time you get it out you'll probably be able to trigger it's Deploy effect.

>>96082459
mtg and yugioh players are fucking awful when trying new games. Im surprised mtg fags even attempted another tcg

>>96082452
yeah prime the pieces together. If you're using spray primer just make sure it's not too hot or humid, below 80 degrees Fahrenheit and below 60% humidity is my rule. And give the primer a good long time to dry, an hour minimum, overnight ideal

>>96082496
ygo players either can't or won't read, everyone knows this

>>96082477

Let's compare him to how he used to work in Gundam War tho...

Card Name: MA-08 Big Zam
Card Set: Bond of Fate
Card Color: G
Type & Class: Unit - E/SP
Card Text: Cost - 2-6-2
Stats - 4/5/6
Prevent(5) Wide Range Weapon(4) Special Shield(3)
(Auto A): When this card is sent for attack, when you don't have any other Unit outside of this and Units with * original Attack Strength, The target of "Wide Range Weapon" effect of this card would change to all Units in play.
Rarity: R
Card #: 38/177

...man, I used to remember what all this meant. Okay, lemme call it up and see... Okay, so it's got 6 health and has an attack power of either 4 or 5, depending on where you put it in the squad (man Gundam War was fucking peak, I wish it had actually gotten proper traction in the west, I'm just saying.)
It's BASICALLY a level 6 cost 2 unit (However in Gundam War, you paid cost by discarding cards from your deck, and you lose when your deck runs out, and attacking attacks the deck ala the Battletech CCG)
Prevent is like that thing in MtG (Ward?) which increases the mana cost to cast stuff on him by that amount. Wide Range weapon essentially destroys EVERY unit in the battle with equal or less health than that amount, and Special Shield reduces all damage other than Psycommu by that much. Effectively it's like Armour from the Battletech CCG again. Wide Range also ignores it since WRW technically isn't damage.

...okay, yeah. That'll delete the federation in a flash if you mass produce it all right. So it comes in, you shove it in the back of a squad. It kills every chump blocker in the opposition and is effectively untargetable by your opponents cards and needs a total of NINE damage to kill.
Oh... and if you just send this thing out by itself? It deletes EVERYBODY THE OPPONENT HAS WITH LESS THAN 4 HEALTH. WHETHER THEY WERE BLOCKING HIM, BLOCKING SOMEONE ELSE... HAVING TEA. ANYTHING. DIES.

>>96082595

For the record, the Elmeth is a Lvl4 cost 2 unit with 4 health and Psycommu 3.

Psycommu is weird. Effectively, if you have a Newtype piloting it, then you can use it. Basically after players have chosen their defending squads it does that much damage to any target. It doesn't actually need to be attacking or defending, it can just do this from the station area where units just hang out.

Elmeth, just to be extra special doesn't even need the unit it's attacking to be in a battle either and can just target anything anywhere.

>>96082595
>>96082657
How was the Psycho?

>>96082906

Which one? I casually stumbled on the Mk2 as I was looking through stuff. 7-3-8 statline Lvl8 cost 3, with Psycommu 2 (I think?)

...oh and an ability that meant all damage his squad did ALSO happened to the opponents deck.
He has fighting strength 7 all by himself and you're supposed to have 60 card decks maximum. Oh and he can transform into Fortress mode for even more health and get's Wide Area Attack 2 instead.

>>96082937
The OG.

>>96082950

Lemme try to find it.

Here it is.


Card Name: MRX-009 Psycho Gundam
Card Set: The New Wing
Card Color: B
Type & Class: Unit - E/SP
Card Text: Cost 2-5-1
Stats - 4/3/8
Wide Range Weapon(2) Transform
(Auto A): When there's no character with 'NT' set onto this card, this card can't be sent to battle area.
==============
MA Mode: */3/9
Rarity: R
Card #: 49/126

Pretty basic. So it's dirt cheap because you can't actually use it unless you find a NewType to shove into the cockpit. WRW (2) though, so if you do it'll just delete chaff. Stats are kind of garbo outside of it's health so it's basically a beefy blocker that weaker ranged units can hide behind... unless some brings their own Wide Range Weapon unit to the fight.
Or Lalah just deletes them with the Elmeth whilst having tea or something.

>>96082999

Bound Doc was next to it BTW.

Card Name: NRX-005-1 BaundDog (Machine 1)
Card Set: The New Wing
Card Color: B
Type & Class: Unit - E/SP
Card Text: Cost 2-6-2
Stats - 4/2/6
Transform
[(Auto A): All Units in the same Battle Area as this card that has a character with 'NT' set on it can't be the target of Commands that target 1 card]
=====================
MA Mode: 2/2/6
High Mobility
Rarity: U
Card #: 51/126

Weirdly high level, decent stats though. Very weird ability as well. The High Mobility rule is basically flight from MTG. If the entire squad has it, then it can only be blocked by a squad where they all have it as well.

>>96083019

It's getting late so, before I go:

Card Name: Amakusa
Card Set: Trembling Dignity
Card Color: R
Type & Class: Unit - E/SP
Card Text: Cost 3-7-2
Stats - 7/4/7
Prevent(5)
[(Auto B): Cards cannot be set onto this card]
(Battle Phase): <<1>> Destroy all opponent's Units battling with this card.
Rarity: R
Card #: 94/183

This is the kind of obscurity I want to see in Gundam CCG. Like... I want to see this and I want to see the orangutang piloted Zakus. Also, it's ability is crazy if I'm reading it right. Discard a single card to just... destroy eveything in the opponents stack before combat.

>>96083075
>Discard a single card to just... destroy eveything in the opponents stack before combat.
What's really sick is it's not even discarding from hand. You just mill a card.
Also, I'm not sure if it's actually "before" battle or just marking them all for destruction after combat is resolved.
Absolutely devastating effect either way.

>>96083075
what a weird Gundam

>>96082372
>considering there were no instructions
Anon... Check the papers in the box.

>>96083193
Or maybe that symbol does actually mean to discard. I'm noticing the <1> cost on Wing Gundam Zero or Justice Gundam is not written the same as (1).
Take everything I've said with a grain of salt. I'm not very familiar with the JP version, which had a ton of sets compared to the meager three sets we got in English.

Put together another Lorcana deck tonight.

I call it The Vicious Recycle. No idea if it'll work, but it might be fun to try out.

The only good one out of the bunch imo

>>96084210
What is this?

>>96082410
They were $4.99 but they were marked as "NFL" cards lol
I had a giftcard so I wasn't too worried about it but I thought it was funny

I bought 2 ST01 Gundam decks today should I open them or keep them sealed?

>>96084400
Do they have the Gundam Assemble figures? If so it might be good to keep them sealed. If not then it is not worth.

It's already too late to sell.

>>96084400
Gundam is not going to explode and overtake one piece, I think it will remain popular enough and definitely overtake FW and maybe digimon though

>>96084662
>definitely overtake FW
As an avid Fusion World player that does not mean much at all. Crazy how weak the Dragon Ball IP is nowdays that it can't even carry a TCG when every IP based game takes off nowadays.

>>96084670
Bandai did fuck up the game in the second set and killed off most of the playerbase

>>96078552
I understand MTG but not FAB. FAB is a great game and LSS listen to their playerbase much more than WOTC.

>>96078519
The cards don't even hold their value! Unlike miniatures.

>>96084306
That's Duel Masters's PS2 game

>>96084724
>FAB is a great game and LSS listen to their playerbase much more than WOTC
doubt.jpg

>>96083370
the closest my boxes have is the gundam RX 3 picture gunpla ad...

>>96085049
fold out the gunpla ad

Gundam bros, what colors do you think will be best for Control?

>>96085070
There's not much control in the game so far but probably blue (making trades then healing your units) and green (breach lets you attack board while also doing damage to life)

>>96085080
What about white and all its bounce effects? I guess thats more tempo than control

>>96085080
breach is the best effect in the game so far, since you get to remove units and deal damage.

>>96084314
That's definitely silly. Big box retailers are certainly... entertaining... when it comes to everything involving cards.

>>96085055
No.

>>96082459
>spoilers
at first glance, I can def see a blue/white wall deck relying in healing low to the ground blockers before deploying healing big dudes. Theres also a cool mix for green/andor/red rush/breach decks that spam early (getting rid of shields before they can recover and killing blockers) and use AP+ to get rid of the annoying bigger blue/white cards. Looks like anything with Blue will eventually be the best when meta establishes just because the other colors draw options are just filtering.
Then again breach is fucking good and wing etc punishing little blockers late game will be brutal.

>>96085409
considering how much breach red and green seem to have, the green ramp into mini wipes seems weirs now but probably just planning for the future. for now unsure why Id want to wipe tiny dudes i want to breach into.

>>96085424
>>96085409
white/blue control sitting in fat asses and draw spells with early blockers will for sure be a thing.

Base design is the most interesting part of the game right now, in that I cant think of another shield game with a similar concept. It makes deck building a but weird though, as you want them since its the only way to recover shields + they have higher HP, but since they cant attack it makes it awkward.

>>96085458
With just the starter decks it feels extremely RNG based on if you see a base in life or not but it should get more consistent with 1-2 sets worth of cards extra

>>96083305

Crossbones is a kind of weird manga.

>>96085042

"Compared to WotC" isn't a high bar. You think any of their playerbases wanted crossovers with Fallout, Dr Who and a Dracula set that race swapped literally everybody but the one character in the book who actually might have been black?

>Final Fantasy was able to get Magic into the Japanese top 3
Insanity

>>96085458

Good old Zanzibar. I don't think there's ever been a videogame, card game or anything else where getting one of those is a bad idea.

>>96085658

Yeah well, that's what happens when you have a crossover where the parent company get's final say in all the artwork.

>>96085645
If fab was a good game it would be a better vehicle for crossovers, but do you really think if it were actually succesful we wouldn't be seeing "ezio - assasin hero"?

>>96085658
How is Duel Masters still around and the number 2 TCG in japan?

>>96085767
Because it's the best card game ever made.

>>96085658
But how is this possible?! Not even a single character was made black! The set should be in shambles!

>>96085867
Should have made Cloud black and then made Barret white, then gaslit the shit out of the players.
Would have been legendary.

>>96085867
Japan is full of racist chuds.

>>96085070
Probably white+something. I'm leaning White/blue.

White has insane blockers and -AP effects, Freedom and Justice are both great top end cards (but Justice wants to be in White/Red), and it has good filtering.

Blue gives you healing, card advantage, and some great early game trading units. Red gives you lots of direct damage and some first strike. Green gives you breach, which is a way to hit units without them hitting back, and also ramp. Being on level 6 while your opponent is on level 4 feels pretty good.

Sinanju and Unicorn are great top end cards, and technically don't *need* their pilots, but Full Frontal and Bananagher both push you to run decks more geared towards their stuff specifically.

G-Gundam set FUCKING WHEN

>>96086027
I'm really struggling to figure out how to compose a decent deck. The 50 card limit while also being sets of 4 is an interesting kind of limited.

>>96086691
considering they did wing (usa poplar) and next set has X (had a dub) im assuming the first few sets will have at least 1 relevant "it was on in America" series represented. G Gundam was also very popular in japan and I can see it being a big deal when it comes out because of God/Devil Gundams.

Im very excited to play a japanese tcg that isnt already solved by being months in advance out.

>>96086691
y you be stutterin nigga

>>96085658
>Hololive TCG at #6
Huh I thought hololive flopped. Did it recover at some point?

>>96086700
Pilots and bases really complicate deckbuilding, you've gotta find room for 4-6 bases and 6-8 pilots and you still haven't even touched command cards but it's already starting to feel like you have too many non-units. And which pilots you take (and why) completely transforms what your deck is trying to do, especially when you account for card disadvantage vs early board advantage.

>>96085800
And we will never get it, because thankfully Wizards are just masters of IP survival.

YOU READY FOR AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER SET???

whos jace

>>96087239
Universes Beyond: Duel Masters when?

>>96087266
>Ballsack Dragon

>>96087351
>Backsack Dragon

>>96087351
Ugin?

>>96087359
Gay Bolas?

>>96087061
It's been 5th or 6th on that list every month that a new set comes out, so it's doing better than most games.

>>96085080
2 questions about breach:
1. do shields have an actual hp value or does breach destroy them no matter what
2. can you win off attacking with breach at 0 shields

>>96087795
Shields are treated as a 0/1 so breach 1 will always kill a shield

>11-1-2-5. If there is neither a Base nor Shields in the enemy’s shield area, the <Breach> effect does not activate
You can't win from breach hitting a unit

>>96083956
I read 9 mana belle and thought 'why the fuck isn't she played more?'

I think post rotation she will be the lynchpin if the meta goes less aggro.

Any other fabgots here playing on pt singapore?

>>96087559
Oh do they not release one-a-month like the other bushi games?

>>96087862
I know, right? They featured her in a starter deck, she can be played for dirt cheap, and if played for cheap, is in a good position to score 6 lore the first time she quests. Maybe players are just so tired of item-themed decks that they dismiss her potential.

>>96088110
NTA, but her ass is fucking 7, putting the opponent in a clock if you have enough items in the discard

>>96088089
What Bushi game releases a full set every month?

>>96088210
Vanguard and Buddyfight from when I played those. Basically everything except Weiss, from what I understand.

>>96088110
>>96088178
It's definitely because you can play some items and run Half Shark and Pirate's Life which is just a stronger value swing, but we'll see if that's still a thing post rotation

>>96088089
They're on a 3 month release cycle I think

Gundam is seemingly not getting a yellow color which maybe implies adding life or life manipulation won't be a major mechanic.

>>96087064
Yea that seems to be the case. I don't even know where to slot in pure command stuff like Striker Pack

>>96088459
well you wouldn't add life, you'd add shield cards. maybe they figure that bases are the life manipulation type mechanic

FUCKFAB

I cannot stop jerking to Vanguards female units holy fuck

>>96088875
I know, right?

>>96088178
>putting the opponent in a clock
Sorry, not familiar with that term. Does it mean that you're putting your opponent in a race against time?

>>96090399
Yes. For example, if I'm going to get 6 lore every turn, the opponent is on a three-turn clock since Lorcana has no interaction in the opponent's turn.
Assuming I'm at 0 lore, the turn I make Belle, I will go to 6 lore. The opponent plays his turn. I will go to 12 lore in my next turn. The opponent has another turn. Then, I will go to 18 lore, and the opponent has his final turn to resolve Belle. If he doesn't, it's game over.
The opponent can solve Belle in his first turn after she hits the board, but in theory, once I make her, he has three turns to win or banish her.

I just spent a week looking at Duel Master cards on the wiki and wow they look so aesthetic and the devs have a eye covered fetish

>>96090476
Tbf, almost every good deck runs hard removal and the rest at least can drop her in 2 turns. I think she's worse than newest Tamatoa in 9/10 cases, and way worse than OG tomatoa + lucky dime.

She may shine more post-rotatjon but there aren't going to be nearly as many sac-for-value items worth playing.

>>96090530
>the devs have a eye covered fetish
blind women can't see how ugly you are so the average tcg player can successfully self insert

Thoughts on the new Gundam card game so far? I've only done the starter deck event but it was pretty neat. First ACG I've tried since Keyforge.

>>96090636
I think people should really wait until the booster pack to judge it. that's going to add a lot of mechanics and variety.

>>96090692
yeah everything but zeon feels like a super incomplete archetype without the first set

>>96090891
What's funny is I could absolutely see Mono char as a totally viable deck. His Goog is awesome

>>96090636
Bandai Slop, it's not terrible or anything, but like most Bandai Slop, it's just okay and an excuse to play a game with cards that have an IP you recognize.

>>96091095
the leaked booster pack setlist looks pretty robust. there's definitely going to be room for strategy and playmaking here

>>96091112
I just mean gameplay wise anon, nothing against strategies or anything.

I played it and it's fine, nothing offensive or bad but it is just a very similar system to One Piece.

>>96091126
fortunately I never played any bamco tcg ever

>>96091126
does one piece have cards you can use on your opponents turn or lifedeck manipulation? never played it, reading here always sounded like a duelmasters clone but fow mana.

>>96091153
No, One Piss has no quick timing because Bandai cares about kiddos

>general dedicated to "dead" tcgs
>users actively try to make certain games even more dead
why are you like this

>>96090476
>>96090533
Well, one thing to consider is that, by the time you've saved up enough items in your discard to play Belle, you might already have a fair amount of Lore at that point. However, since Belle shifts from her base form, as long as you didn't play her base form that turn, you can quest with her right away, which gives her a slight advantage over Tamatoa. So, unless your opponent is wise to your tricks, he's more likely to use his hard removal to target your Triton or maybe Gepetto or Prince John and ignore your 3 cost Belle. Then, you can drop your Floodborn Belle, quest the same turn, and walk away with 6 lore. If that doesn't get you the win immediately, you're probably pretty close to Lethal at that point.
At least, that's how I'm *hoping* it will play out. Belle as a surprise attack, not an inevitability.

>>96091126

I do wish they had a little bit more taken from the old Gundam War card game. Like different battlefields or squad building. Then again, the early boosters for that weren't terribly inventive either. Took about 10 booster sets before we started to see crazy stuff.

I do like the idea that you can negate summoning sickness by putting in the correct pilot into a unit. But... unless it has block there really isn't ever any reason NOT to do that if you have the cards in your hand.

>>96091982
>there really isn't ever any reason NOT to do that if you have the cards in your hand.

I think this is wrong and we're all just too bad at the game still to realize how much it hurts to burn card advantage early.

>>96091938
Good players will know you've got something big and be saving for it.

Regardless, let us know how it turns out. Lorcana is small enough to have some hidden gems - look at the dwarf mine or doc, for instance.

>>96091995

I mean, it can't attack, you have the Pilot card in your hand, each pilot card that I've seen only costs 1 resource, so you might at well wait a turn so your opponent can't react to it.
The only reasons to put out a unit and then put the pilot on it later is
A) It had block
or
B) You didn't HAVE it's linked pilot in your hand at the time.

Otherwise you're literally showing your opponent your cards when you don't need to.

>>96088803
I've never played FAB can someone explain what makes it so shit?

>>96092002
Oh, I'm definitely looking forward to testing it. I'm still missing a few cards that I'll have to pick up from my LGS or order if they don't have it in stock, so I'll have to wait until then. Of course, if anyone wants to steal the idea and try it out (maybe adding their own twist to it?), I don't mind at all.

>>96092060
Lorcanito

>>96092097
True, I keep forgetting that it exists. I might give it a shot.

>>96092014
I'm not saying play the card and hold the pilot until next turn, I'm saying play the card and hold the pilot until it either guarantees you a 2-for-2 or better trade, or gets you a life count advantage that is relevant in the particular matchup.

Both of these require being better at the game that probably anyone is currently, but that most players will be in six months.

>>96091982
>Then again, the early boosters for that weren't terribly inventive either. Took about 10 booster sets before we started to see crazy stuff.

You mean how they gave the GP02 the ability to just mill half an opponents entire deck if they didn't kill it?

Does Gundam have a fanmade sim yet?

>>96091908
We all HATE Flesh and Blood here and you MUST too

>>96092059
it takes such an insane mental tax to play that it ends up not being fun even when you win

>>96092059
Lightning Bolt the game

>>96092294
Fun system, shit rarity system.

Which is one better than Bandai, at least.

>>96091126
there's barely any body searchers in gundam to make the one piece comparison possible.

>>96076805 (OP)
My store has digimon structures for 11 each, which ones would I need to make a decent deck for locals

>>96092684
There is literally a general JUST for Digimon and yet you decided to ask this here

So whats the verdict on the Gundam card game? So far on surface to me it looks like standard Bandaislop to me(all their card games look incredibly similar in visual and game mechanic design to me) but I'd like to be proven wrong.

>>96092716
Definite slop.

Only game I'm waiting for is Riftbound

>>96092716
i like it a lot. the effects and strategies (for the most part) are a bit on the safe end but the gameplay loop's very fun. i plan on making it my secondary. also digimon, one piece, and gundam play very differently if you just look at them once for more than a second.

>>96092673
>no searchers
>no leaders (most importantly meaning no minimum damage value to hit life)
>no attaching don
>no counters (but there are instant timing spells)
In practice it plays pretty different.

>>96092716
My early impression is that I like it. I like it a lot more than I liked set 1 one piece, for reference.

>>96088459
Yellow isn't life manipulation in FW

>>96092921
Yeah Green has the most healing.
Green in FW is weird it went from the ramp color to just gimmicky shit.

>>96092684
ST20 and 21, you can buy 2 of each or mix and match.

>>96092767
Same, I printed proxy decks and its great fun

>>96093167
Mix and match?

>>96093597
Yup or just get 2 of each. The decks are VERY good.

>>96093619
Are they the same colors? What are the color restrictions in digimon?

>>96093633
Only color restriction is evo condition and option cards needing specific colors on the field to be activated from hand.
Also here is a sample topping decklist for the starter deck.

>>96093645
I am dumb, which structures would I need to build this? 1 of each 20 and 21?

>>96093661
2 of each or you can get singles. That white tai on the bottom is from the booster.

>>96093645
>Gatomon
>shotas
>lolis
10/10 excellent deck

>>96092059
The company that makes it is super greedy, thousands of dollars for a deck. But more importantly, it doesn't really feel like a game, if feels like very basic math. I go first and attack for 5, you block for 4, I attack for 5, you take 5, I attack for 5, you take 5. Now I am 11 points of damage ahead of you because I went first. You will have to spend the entire game eeking out 1 or 2 points of damage each turn to maybe win.

>>96091908
Cui bono? Who benefits? There in lies your answer.

>>96093816
Steve Bono?

Somebody helped me find a website that shipped overseas, so more kitty inbound.
^_^

>>96091686
so how is gundam anything like one piece? or is >>96091126 just typical shitposting?

>>96092716
stackable damage, counter plays on your opponents turn, and the bases make it interesting. first set seems a but safe and allot of cards scream "throw us together" but thats fine for a new game with a world wide same time release where by the time everyone figures put game flow set 2/3 can come and shake up. plus robots are cool.

>>96094155
There's also 5th colour coming in a starter deck and set 2 with currently unknown mechanics

>>96094012
English version should be coming in like 3-6 months by the way

>>96094163
>"bad guys" in R/G mostly
>"good guys" in W/U
so what will black be? psychotic characters? Im going to bet black will have some trash manipulation abilities, since at the moment no one has any

>>96094196
Does Gundam have combining of robots? That would be fucking sick in a TCG.
https://youtu.be/x3w7CTpNH-E?t=50

>>96094196
It's purple and we know it's IBO and 00 from the two starter decks

>>96094202
OG gundam has some basic combiners that are in GD01 but they dont do anything special

>>96094213
A robot combining game would rule. Like taking advantage of the card flipping mechanic that FaB used the devs could put the post-combination stats of the robot creature card on the back. Otherwise it would just be a regular little creature card.

>>96094208
>purple
right, bandai deck. IBO main characters arnt even any more morally grey then all the green wing characters and 00 is full of white knights so fuck it no idea.

I'll just be upfront about my angle: I'm looking for a new tcg to get into that's relatively fresh and has potential to make money investing on the hodling the rares, so tandard stuff, just looking primarily to make profit though. Should I get into Gundam for the cool factor and its potential for profit or should I pick a different tcg? are there any others that are new on the horizon besides gundam? I love the IP but I know nothing about it specifically other than its awesome.

inb4 I get called every name under the sun for being honest about making money being my primary objective with this. I'm just being honest. I know there will be this immediate meme response of 'trading cards aren't a legit investment vehicle'. Its becomng more apparent by the day that card games are a legit money making market. Thanks in advance guys.

>>96094259
00 are essentially terrorists fighting the government but so is Amuro in Zeta and we know the Zeta Gundam card is white

>>96094305

>>96094305
You're a dumb faggot. Go buy stocks.

>>96094305
Should have been at the dodgers game scalping one piece cards

>>96094305
The LoL TCG will probably be top5 and I hate that IP enough to unleash investorfags on it, so go for it, King.

>>96094172
Nice! I might scoop up some singles.

>>96094305
Neopets.

Whats the worst modern /acg/ youve played in the last 5 years or so

>>96094382
The Condemned.

>>96094305
>has potential to make money investing
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>96094382
Yu-gi-oh

>>96094385
Not him, but being early and making the optimal investment can net a decent multiplier of your money after hodling for a while. Much better payout than most stoinks or shitcoins. The big risk is the publisher and whether it'll be greedy enough of a piece of shit who will infinitely reprint the first set. With a new company that risk is certainly there.

>>96094414
>The big risk is the publisher and whether it'll be greedy enough of a piece of shit who will infinitely reprint the first set.
Keeping singles affordable is greedy?

>>96094434
From the investorfags perspective, obviously. We were talking about making money.
And yes the fuck it is greedy in general too. Only ever print publicly disclosed fixed amount of cards. It's bad for the competetive players and the casual collectors too, if they can only ever open worthless trash.

>>96094458
Booster packs are intended for gambling addicts.
If you didn't know, TCGs are games. If cards are "worthless trash" in terms of monetary value, that just means they're cheap and affordable for the only people that matter: people that actually play the game.

>>96094504
Cards being worthless incentivises buying singles from the internet, which disincentivises keeping a binder and trading cards in person. The best games always have a good scene of players with binders going to tournaments to trade. It benefits the community cohesion and meeting people through trading with them.
These days your only incentive to talking to strangers in a TCG tournament is all up to how much you actually want to talk to those people, which is bad in breaking the ice with them. Having to trade forces the players to be more social.

>>96094305
just do stock trading, currency exchange, or metal investment you actual retard.

Will I be able to buy the Gundam decks online by the MSRP? The few local game stores are I have acces to are selling above it.

>>96094691
I haven't found them online for a good price outside stores also selling them retail.

>>96094691
no box store will sell msrp (of any product or will go broke) but if they are trying to sell for more then 10%+ msrp then just stop going to them. people on facebook groups are selling the decks without promos for less then $10/each if you just want to play. Also seems like boxes might not be a issue, since box shops near me said they should get plenty even after starters sold out in a day (well they kept 64 for the 2 events happening).
>>96094639
+AP when swung into is on theme.

>>96094639
source?

>>96094639
The Guision Rebake lets you return units from your trash to hand so purple might be the trash interaction color

>>96094829
Purple seems to have a big self-damage theme, or at least Tekkaden does

Hololive is out in english now. Is the game worth playing? I know it plays like Pokemon. How's prices and stuff?

>>96095371
literally pokemon, meta is stale each set looking at japan, and with english being months behind means the meta will be even more stale. english card stock is bad, and the foiling is less good then jpn as well. some card arts good others is bad. unless your a vtuber simp theres no point to play it over the other weeb games in english.

>>96094889
>another bandai TCG where one colour has exclusive access to the trash and becomes insanely broken by essentially having a huge second hand no one can interact with
epic

>>96095371
I see no future for TCG's like this, you get a few sets and they'll kill it, like Godzilla.

Or cookierun, etc

>>96095486
no one expects anything from Godzilla but it might do well enough for a few years if for no other reason then there are a large amount of godzilla fans who will buy it to collect casually.
>>96095437
is this a bandai typical design? because that would suck.

>>96095523
>is this a bandai typical design? because that would suck.

Their games are basically all the same thing with new IP paint over it

>>96095437
this card is a thing, dude.
>>96095530
retard.

>>96095437
nah, we're safe

>>96095677
>>96095608
crisis averted
does blue get anything or they banned from trash because they have all the draw effects?

>>96095530
>hurdur
Gundam is very different from the prior sloppa, its all the sloppa at once. Actually feels like they tried this time.
>>96095608
white is very command centric so far.

>>96095687
blue just gets straight draw, white gets draw+trash

>>96095687
Jude Banshee, which requires a red pilot anyways. But blue has really strong draw engines, like Zechs and RX78

>>96095717
>>96095608
Anon, you can enjoy gundam I don't care, but to say it's not like 90% the same as other bandai games is just disingenuous

>>96095833
It's quite different to One Piece, Fusion World and Digimon though

MTG has colors therefore MTG is a bandai TCG clone

>>96095833
its nothing like those games except shields, and a resource deck (utilized very different).

>>96095431
>english card stock is bad, and the foiling is less good then jpn as well.
Why is this the case in so many tcgs from Japan? Is this a logistics thing? A manufacturing thing? Or a Judaism thing?

>>96095717
nah white's got big blockers, bounce, ap reduction, AND commands. it's easily the best color in the game.
>>96095833
again, you are a retard.

>>96095486
I dunno. Godzilla is a dead IP. Hololive is currently active and shows no signs of going away. And the tcgs isn't just screenshots, it looks like money was put into it.

Was cookierun a flop? It's a well designed game.

>>96095371
I think it's going to be as popular as it's going to be right now. I always found pokemon to be too narrow and linear but I enjoyed the novelty of the design changes in this game's system - being able to do two attacks in a single turn if you setup correctly, having extra abilities you have to pay from face down cards, variable starting life that ramp you when you lose guys etc.
As an aside it's annoying to me that there is a /bushi/ general when the conversation is almost 100% vanguard; feels awkward to talk about any other bushi game in either that or this thread because of it

>>96095960
>Was cookierun a flop? It's a well designed game.
nah but it's definitely getting overshadowed by gundam, hololive, AND riftbound atm. it'll for sure have a dedicated fanbase but only time will tell if it's enough to live.

>>96095974
You guys are so close to a breakthrough it isn't even funny. Will most new TCGs survive the boom we're having right now? Hardly any because they're self-cannibalizing the clientele and saturating the market.

>>96095960
>Was cookierun a flop? It's a well designed game.
I don't care how well designed it may be I would never play a game called fucking Cookierun AND that atrocious art style. Nobody should be surprised that a game like that would flop, lmao.

>>96095947
Your game has 1 starter deck series, I'll check back in a year or two and see if those gundam fans still back it, I don't see it having the same staying power as digimon or One Piece

>>96096034
hell the icv2 data suggests that the fall-off is happening now. you'd be dumb to make another tcg after this year though that's for sure.
>>96096095
one ST series and the full first set revealed btw. staying power or not, i'll stick with it. game's fun.

>>96096095
>I'll check back in a year or two and see if those gundam fans still back it, I don't see it having the same staying power as digimon or One Piece
I've been saying this but all I get in response is how rabid Gundam fans are and they'll keep it afloat. Bandai has released flop after flop since One Piece released and I have no faith in Gundam having staying power either.

>>96095960
>godzilla is a dead IP

>>96096095
gundam will stay afloat by the mass immigration of OPfags when the set rotation starts hitting expensive/beloved cards

>>96095967
Yeah it should just be the vanguard general.
>>96096034
>close to a breakthrough
What are you talking about?
>>96096089
Bro chill. I'm unfamiliar with the IP, that's why I asked. Apparently it's huge in Asia.
Some of us are aware we are all in a bubble and would like to know about the world outside it.

>>96096132
As an ongoing IP in modern pop culture? Yeah. Does Godzilla have enough going on today to be able to print hundreds of cards every few months to support a tcg?

I need an hyper competitive tcg where you have sideboards and it's BO3 like the Yu-gi-oh dayz

>>96096132
This anon is right
>>96096202
How there are a good amount of monsters for like a board game or MAYBE an LCG, but a long running TCG that requires like 600-1000 cards printed a year to stay afloat? No way, it'll die fast.

>>96096118
Because Bandaibros are stupid and only see One Piece's success and live under a rock. Most Gundam fans are older and probably way too far removed from having time for TCG's, that's why they love Gunpla.

Hey Bandaibros, remember Battle Spirit Saga?

>>96096221
>BSS
>Fusion World
>Union Arena
One is dead, the other is on death's door, and Union Arena I'm not entirely sure but I don't hear that it's doing gangbusters either. It just kind of exists.

>>96096221
>Hey Bandaibros, remember Battle Spirit Saga?
it's hard not to. it ended in march. if you know the whole story, it's not hard to come to the conclusion of "bandai bungled it".

>>96095486
Cookie Run is going to go the distance. It's actual new take on Pokemon that changes enough to be fresh and uses modern design philosophies.

They could've just copied JP cards. It would've been so easy to copy JP Battle Spirits cards. I'd love to know who they had doing the original card design so I could throttle them.

Original IP games just cannot survive nowadays. It's not like Bandai didn't try with BSS but people just didn't want to play it. They poured more money into that competitive side of that game than any of their other games and it still didn't make a difference.

>>96096356
>t's not like Bandai didn't try with BSS but people just didn't want to play it.
they definitely didn't try:
>let's design the ugliest card frame/layout that we can
>let's have our first two sets be the most boring shit that we could come up with
>oh yeah, let's have AVRIL LAVIGNE promote the game too

>>96096356
Battle Spirits is ancient

>>96096611
As a westoid I've never heard of it

>>96096356
>Original IP games just cannot survive nowadays.
Disagree. I think game design has been total ASS. The only games that I can think back and say were interesting are probably CFV and Gate Ruler, FAB

If you launch a tcg with
1) Excellent Gameplay
2) Interesting Lore
3) Great Artwork

It can do well.

>>96096356
>It's not like Bandai didn't try with BSS
Bandai completely fumbled BSS from the start. They didn't try at anything, it was a COMPLETE flop.

>>96096356
Not the anti bandai shitposters but they goddamn did. It was also the reason why I couldnt get product when it first started and made me not give the game a try. Appealing so hard to the competitive side out the gate was one of the reasons why it hurted casual players base right away due to all the competitive people buying out ALL products.

>>96096806
I think releasing it like within 2 weeks of fucking One Piece was super retarded.

Battle Spirits remains a better system than every other bandai game.

Y'know the funny thing. You Americans hated Battle Spirits more than the Japanese did.

I remember seeing comments from Americans hating the fact that they had to play with the cores.

>>96096918
Bandai thought one piece would fail and printed about 25% of the demand for the first 2 sets, that's how retarded bandai are

are charbros eating good?

>>96097172
Char is expecting

>>96097217
THAT'S the art they went with?

>>96097172
When do they not?

>>96096221
no one here is a bandai bro. they are juan pissers, or dragonballspics, or whatever slur gundam will gain. its all IP driven which is probably where BSS failed (one of the many)

>>96096356
Its almost like competitive events don't attract the number one whale - casuals.

>>96097259
The best part is 'its so different from their other games!'

Alright so let me guess:
Seperate Mana Deck
Ability to evolve cards in some way
Shields from Duel Masters
Colors that do the exact thing in each game

Am I in the ballpark here?

>>96097248
that's the alt art for beta edition, the starter deck version is just char in full costume in a command room

>>96097281
Don't forget digimon's mind link

Man, I really fucking hate Union Arena and One Piece.

>>96097371
stop hating the power of friendship

>>96097281
Do any of the other bandai sloppa have cards you can play on your opponents turn (ie quickplay or instants) like gundam?

Do the others have persistent damage? or cards that replace shields and have abilities? Or the way the level system vs resource works?

Your constant 'its just like the other games!' when even a few tweaks can drastically change up a game, ala duma to build divide or wixoss or caster chronicles or any other shield game, doesnt really work here (unlike OP to FW).
>>96097329
this is a cool idea to steal so its fine.

>>96097281
Most of this isn't even true for the current batch of bandai games

>>96097407
>Do any of the other bandai sloppa have cards you can play on your opponents turn (ie quickplay or instants) like gundam?
Digimon's ACE, some delay options, and some digimon like Leviamon X-antibody

What's the best Gundam deck I could make out of 2 ST01, 1 ST03, and 2 ST04 starter decks?

>>96097453
White SEED + blue White Base

>>96097469
Could I build without opening one of my ST04s? Because the unopened one is the Assemble and I kinda want to keep it sealed.

>>96097446
I like Digimon, but it doesn't have any actual spell-type cards except hand traps and the trainer effects or has that changed

>>96097407
>or cards that replace shields and have abilities?
digimons had that for an age
theres a fucker that peace's out and puts himself into life face up then jumps back out the next turn
bandai life mechanics have been explored to the bone at this point
>>96097675
its becoming more common for spells that linger on the field like a trap card and activate with a certain criteria, the games gone a long way to adding interactivity on the opponents turn

>>96097172
char is the core of the green Zeon aggro shell, remains to be seen if said shell is any good

>>96097717
those are special abilities, not an entire card type though correct? I feel as if gundam will go very deep into how the base design works with life mechanic.
linger isnt the same as a unknown spell or trap but interesting. its annoying OP and even UA seem to get more talk when digimon is easily the best bandai game so far.

I feel like the guy who made the bandai ID website must be the same guy who did konami's card game website because they managed to make entering an address as confusing as possible

I love Bandai games and I think they are the best thing evar.
I hope we can break into the top 3 one day. Lorcana did it. We can do it!

>>96076805 (OP)
How to into one piece TCG?

I've played one piece with friends using their decks and now I want to build my own. I wanted to make a Red/Blue Marcos deck and want to buy the deck somewhat premade to have a starting point. Is this possible? Or should I get some starter deck and specific packs?

Not sure where to start.

>>96098029
The fact that you have to give them your address is insulting as shit to begin with. But that's far from the worst that they have ever attempted to do.
Last year they wanted to force TCG players using their app to use biometric identification multiple times during the tournaments, but got scared by the immediate negative fan feedback and cancelled that plan. Now they scrubbed that info from the internet and I can't even link it to you, but if you ask any OPTCG event organizers or judges they will confirm it too.
Bamco is run by the most evil of the out of touch japanese yakuza-aligned boomer retards. I fucking hate them.

>>96098210
>force app use
I hate this shit. All the gundam info is "see on our app!" and half the stores want you to sign up for events by it.

Played Elestrals and Rush of Ikorr the other day, both for the first time.

Elestrals:
-Basically Yugioh with a veneer of a resource system. For this type of game I do like the idea that your resources are tied to your life total. Feels like late 2000s/early 2010s era Yugioh, I can see why people like it. Not a fan of the art style personally, reminds me too much of cheap kiddie fantasy stuff, but it'll be fine to break out every now and then.

Rush of Ikorr:
-The game itself is well-designed but everything around the game is confusing. Designed for 3v3, but only 4 starter decks available. There's a "modification" system where you modify your cards in deckbuilding by placing a clear plastic overlay over them to give them additional abilities (with restrictions built in for balance, i.e. the best cards can't be modified like this and there's three tiers of modifications that cards can be modified with). The games themselves were fun and a lot of back and forth, plays like Keyforge with a pretty standard Bandai resource system. I like mythological stuff though so I'm biased, but I'll happily play this again.

>>96098239
I believe stores have to show participation in the app to qualify for support from Bandai.

>>96098135
you say that like it isn't possible lmao. one piece is at 4 so it wouldn't be a stretch to say that it's in position to take 3rd anytime soon.

>>96098135
OP literally was top 3. There were times it outsold Magic and for most of its life its outsold Yugioh in the West. I think it's fallen back down to 4th more recently.

>>96099564
>outsold Yugioh in the West
show proofs.

>>96099769
One Piece Trading Card Game is greatest of all time, LAH!
Know your place to be silent in presence of your betters.

Every so often I see WAH LAH or whatever being said here. What's the lore on that?

>>96098159
In general your best bet is look up decklists online, then buy the specific cards individually.
Structure decks can be useful in some cases, for example if you play Buggy getting 2x of the newest ST gets you a lot of the staples, then you just have to buy a couple extra cards.

>>96098494
>and A opposing champion
Is this a common typo for Rush of Ikorr?

>>96098494
I'd be cautious with Ikorr. It's the same devs who are working on Neopets, and... they are struggling. They have printed numerous cards in set 3 that have confusing text and interactions, and when asked about it by players they tend to have no comment.
They've also given errata to the same card 3 times now, but still haven't updated this information on their website or CRD.

I hope you have better luck with Ikorr.

I can't believe there's no fan made client for Gundam yet. One Piece had one like day 1.

>>96101021
Well, obviously. One Piece is supreme.

>>96101021
Bro, your WingTable?

>>96101021
Gundam has less normies fans and normies will waste time making a free client.

>>96101021
wingtable's good for learning the game or new decks but zumbosim's the only available pvp client for the game. the kicker is that you have to connect to a discord account to use it.
>>96101227
what does he mean by this?

>>96097247
Beta exclusive alt art. I'm afraid most if not all of them will stay there.

>>96100054
SEA shit meaning "my father" to vulgarly invoke dismay or general SEAfaggotry.

>>96101435
Are all the beta AAs for starter deck cards? If so they'll probably never be printed again

Gonna fund my retirement from the mpreg Char I pulled

>>96101463
No, there's some that are only in the booster.

>>96101021
Lol even Riftbound has one in production.
Which I'm happy about because fuck you Bandai slurpers lol

>>96096202
>so do they really have enough content for a property born in the 50s?
>but how does that affect modern culture personally?
Biggest fucking retard in the thread award

>>96101980
Who said any of that.
>property born in the 50s?
Lmao. Yeah sure, let me get my grandpa into the game. He'll love it. Oh wait, he's dead.

>>96102182
Damn, I guess no one is going to see that new superman move then

>>96102231
Lol if you can't tell the difference between the two or can't follow along a line of reasoning there's no helping you.

>>96102261
Godzilla has no fanbase because the original is old therefore superman has no fanbase because the original is even older

>>96102349
Yup. This confirms it. You're retarded. Not that your previous posts didn't already showed that.

>>96102349
I dont think these people understand just how expansive the Godzilla franchise is nor the large amount of monster/kaiju conventions in the west and japan. The tcg will live just because of those same whales that spend 5k usd on a godzilla bust.

>>96096356
Original IP can work if they spend any effort to build the new IP. Fab is a small example.

>>96102369
Not seeing an argument

>>96102396
Why would I make one when you have proven to be a retard?
You compared the interest needed to go watch a movie once every few years, if even, to that needed to support a tcg that necessitates buying product every few months.
And you compared an IP that has been relevant not stop since it's inception with ongoing and continuously developing lore with one that has long since crystallised and whose new movie entries every couple of years rehashes the same story beats.
How many screenshots of Godzilla vs Mothra can you put on a card and expect a playerbase to stay interested?
It's a cool movie memorabilia? But a tcg? Nah.
Btw the tcg launched recently and no one /here/ gave a fuck lol. So you prove that it's viable.

>>96102435
Didn't read btw

>>96102443
Yeah so like I stated. A retard lol

>>96102378
The ignorant will always be the most proud of how little they know

>>96101021
one piece was out in Japan for like six months before the US release

>>96102390
FaB IP is just mtg rebrand. The art style and world are pretty much the same and I dont think 99% of people, if shown just the art, would be able to tell what is a FaB vs what is a MtG card.

>>96102435
>How many screenshots of Godzilla vs Mothra can you put on a card and expect a playerbase to stay interested?
Idk, lets ask mexicans about OP DBS and FW. Lets ask white pedos about weiss and wixoss. Lets ask FaB players about feet.
Godzilla, as in just Godzilla itself and not even the side characters and robots and monsters, has a million different variations of style from movies to comics and video games.
Im not that anon or saying it will be successful, but I also bought 3 boxes and both starters and will probably buy the high rares secondary market because they look cool.
You also just had 3 americuck Godzilla movies breaking box office this decade and a Apple+ tv show so the ip is doing well even in the west.