The Heresy revealed edition

Previous Heresy: >>96076919

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more you should probably backtrack the last two or so threads. Seriously, check the thread before you ask for every little thing.

>New Edition upon us
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Don't be
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

Thread question:
What are your 30k plans going forward?

>>96081565 (OP)
>What are your 30k plans going forward?
Continue bulding my army, probably focus on finishing what I have on hand before getting more. See which way the wind is blowing. The neat thing is that regardless of whether 3.0 or 2.0 stays around theres a decent overlap in the units I would want to use.

>>96081565 (OP)
>Thread question:
>What are your 30k plans going forward?

Playing the new edition, while also having my old 2nd edition lists incase people actually do end up playing 2nd.

While I kinda hate how they fucked up the legions, I'm going to see how these journals work out, if they add the needed fun options I'll probably just stick with it.

>>96081565 (OP)

>TQ

Finish my mechanicum force and hopefully actually play the game when my local club activates again in September.

Have Volkite weapon stats been leaked? I saw a general weapon leak, but it was missing Volkite.

>>96081565 (OP)
>What are your 30k plans going forward?
Modeling and hobbying, maybe gonna get into terrain building a lot, but im not gonna be playing 3.0, ill play 2.0 any time but 3.0 is dead for me.

>>96081615
No. No volkite has been leaked in the leak of "general weapons".

>>96081591
build and paint what I have which is a lot
play other games and maybe 3.0 once in a while if i'm really hurting to put my models on the table

>>96081615
I'm still waiting for people to post the special rules pages from the libers. For all this talk about the Overload special rule I've never seen it anywhere.

I just noticed, there is no ebook version of heresy 3.0 rules and libers.
We are back to scanning.

>>96081644
Like I would even pirate 3.0.

>>96081656
Im more inclined to report 3.0 piracy then i am to steal it at this point

I have an idea and I don't know if its good or just gay cringe.

I want to play early Heresy Word Bearers. I want them to be in grey armour and dressed up like holy nutters, with all the trappings that come along with that. Guys who have been fighting the Crusade for 200 years in the sure belief that they are doing God's work.
However I still want Gal Vorbak. They will still be daemonhosts and my army will still be Traitors. However I want them to pass for mortals, because they've been playing the role of Loyalists for the last 50 years. So I'm thinking of modelling them as holy champions or paladins, instead of the usual daemonic appearance. Sacred weapons, halos of light, purity seals, burning candles etc. Still 8ft tall and swole as fuck because they are Lorgars elite circle.
Probably base them on BT Sword Brethren but with the more obvious Primaris elements removed.

Any merit to this idea?

>>96081629
I've seen the liber special tiles, and unless there Is a Page missing that only have overload in It, than It isn't there as well... Still waiting for full Liber drop to make sure

>>96081668
Sounds cool.

>>96081668
Gay cringe, go play dark angels like the rest of the faggots

>>96081668
Erebus and Lorgar did such a throughout purge of loyalists within the legion in fluff that the WB were the only legion of 1.0 that couldn't be loyalist.

Reposting this guy from the previous thread because DG are cool.

Speaking of DG, the Deathshroud are tiny right? would 40k Deathshroud look too out of place? by the time of siege of Terra DG were already in full mutation mode right?

>>96081682
40k Deathshroud are in the wrong terminator armour.

3.0 made a bunch of lame legion rule changes. How would you change your legion rules to fit the new edition and get you interested again?

>>96081676
Melta neither. It's impressively retarded how many generic rules on all armies are just not on the rulebook

>>96081625
>volkite calivers actually have a reason to exist
Damn, let's go

>>96081668
Gal Vorbak predate the heresy proper, so that should be fine.

>I want them to look like loyalists
No, thats dumb. Gal Vorbak (and other demon units) are the "mask off" moment, the thing which shows that there is no returning for the word bearers. You can have your army of grey marines looking normal, but the second some of the favored sons jump out of a spartan all those illusions should be shattered, the enemy should see that you are no longer the same legion you once were.

>>96081695
It was the same with 2.0, a bunch of unit (sub) types and special rules that were universal special rules got put in the libers instead of the main rulebook.

My archmagos making his bodyguard squad of 44 tech thralls T6 W2 for some fucking reason because YES you CAN do this

>>96081691
fair, do the new rules still differentiate between armor types? Always felt like cataphractii armor suited the DG more since they're the slow ass legion

>>96081716
Don't tell me tech thralls are actually viable again if you don't mean it

>>96081716
>Arch magos assuming direct control of his tech thralls' cybernetics, making them continue fighting even as they're being shot to shreds

>>96081729
>>96081716
aren't they a lot more expensive now?

>>96081724
Yes. Cataphractii is slower and has slow and purposeful, plus provides a 4+ invulnerable. Tartaros just has the 5+ invulnerable.

>>96081694
>How would you change your legion rules to fit the new edition and get you interested again?
The NL legion rule is actually really cool.

While the 2.0 one was good in basically all senses of the word (it was mechanically relevant, it made for engaging gameplay and it was thematic) the new one does a better job at basically all of it. If I HAD to tweak it/the 3.0 legion rules I guess I could add a +1" to setup moves when declaring a charge against a unit containing at least one model with a status effect (basically the other half of what bloody murder did in 2.0)

>>96081736
Yes, but theyre also t5.

>>96081694
I'd give them the same legion trait they had in 2.0

>>96081695
Melta at least Is in the Liber special rule section

>>96081694
Space Wolves one is a bit anaemic so I'd want something more added to it. The more reliable charge is good but doesn't feel particularly anything wolfy.

Am I being greedy to want +2 to rush as well?

>>96081696
They do? Lost a shot, same Str, same AP...

>>96081625
>exactly ONE deflegrate value is different from the firing gun's regular strength
>only available on one unit
So what was the point rewording that entire rule? Fuck's sake.

>>96081776
Not heavy, straight upgrade to chargers, taken on TSS instead of HSS

>>96081781
It opens them up to doing more with it in the future. Maybe some sort of "makes your blood explode" gun which deflags at a higher strength than the base shot.
Its a foundation, they might do something with it, they might not. Not like having deflag(x) vs deflag is harder to understand regardless.

I know they removed all rerolls, but it just clicked they removed Master-Crafting, too.

>>96081694
Are all the legion rules collected somewhere? Quick glance at the imgurs but i didn't spot them

>>96081793
Volkite calivers themselves were never bad, you just didn't see them in 2.0 because a TSS with 10 of them cost 25 points more than a HSS with volite culverins.

>>96081694
TS are actually really cool again but it's not those specific rules that turn me off.

>>96081625
>siege studio
QRD on that wage thing?

>>96081625
I assume deflagrate also changed for 3.0, so how’s it work now?

>>96081853
Functionally the same. Only change is that the deflagrate hits can have a different strength value than the gun.

We’re playing outer circles homebrew right

>>96081694
>...any model may have it's chainsword exchanged for one chainaxe for free.

Becomes:

>Any model with the infantry keyword may be given a chainsword or chainaxe for free.

The new 3.0 legion rule doesn't fucking do anything because basic troops have lost access to chainswords as wargear. So we get neither.

>>96081729
with laecrematyr you can do
>battlesmith to restore models to the unit, above unit size (in this case 40, so 44 as an archmagos has battlesmith 4)
>cyberthurgy to fortify the unit, granting +1 toughness on top of T5 to make T6
>prime advantage to give them +2S and +1W per model

shits cracked, they're still only 6+ save though

>>96081853
The extra hits are in the strength of the bracket. So except for overcharged pistols there's no difference.

>>96081740
Nah, the new one is just worse for nightlords. Allows zero play other than as a melee army (horrible game design) and doesn't represent how being brave doesn't stop 2 nightlords from cutting your hamstrings and chopping your head off from behind while you're fighting his friend.
That's how Night Lords killed even Dark Angels #1 fighter despite Dark Angels not being the slightest bit afraid of them. Alajos, a perfect swordmaster on par with Raldoron, Corswain, Lucius or Kharn, was mowed down from behind by Sevatar while trying to protect Lion el'Jonson who was fighting Konrad.

NightLords have done the shitty spoopy leadership rules in every GW game other than Horus Heresy 2, and HH2 was the only time Night Lords were ever good. In HH3 NL are again back to having a shit legion rule like 50 years of 40k.

>>96081793
Chargers have the advantage of being assault, and that is a very big deal this edition since assault weapons can fire anywhere from 2x to 3x as much.

>>96081798
Yup. Its why salamanders got a whole range of "power weapons+", since their gimmick was master crafting stuff.

>>96081800
Dont think so, but they are:

>UM: one more reaction per turn (in effect)
>IF: +1 to hit with bolters or auto weapons provided more than 5 dice are rolled for the attack
>WE: Either their old trait or they spaz out when they fail LD (purge all statuses, get +1 attack, have to charge)
>EC: Either their old trait or they can go stupid when you shoot them for a fnp
>IH: their old trait
>TSONS: +1WP on everyone (they can also make everyone a psyker so its relevant)
>DA: LD cant drop below 6, reduce fear(X) to fear(1)
>NL: +1WS in combat vs someone with a status
>AL: their old trait
>WB: +1 combat res (lol)
>RG: have to snapshot vs them if more than 18" away
>sallies: cant be wounded on better than 3+, cant be panicked by flamers
>WS: +2" movement during their turn
>IW: ignore modifiers from weapons for status effects
>SoH: volley fire at full BS
>SW: +2" setup move when charging
>DG: count as stationary if they move 4" or less, ignore difficult terrain
>BA: +1S on the charge

>>96081798
Someone left Master-crafting in Detroit and the Salamanders stole it. Sallies get to master-craft basically any melee weapon for +1 attack even with a thunderhammer.

>>96081880
>>DA: LD cant drop below 6, reduce fear(X) to fear(1)
GET FUCKED NIGHT LOSERS

>>96081880
wow, these ARE NOT made equal. Is it just me or loyalists got all the good ones and traitors all the shit ones?
>IF trait
What exactly do they mean by 5 dice? Like, it doesn't work for stuff with less than 5 shots? Or if 10 tacs shoot their bolters that's more than 5 dice so it works?

>>96081866
I'm printing more chainaxes as I type this to strap to my dudes' back.

You can't fucking stop me James.

Its telling that the only person i know who wants to use the new twrmies is making oblits out of then

>>96081868
Do you have the rest of the mechanicum leaks? This is genuinely exciting

>>96081898
it's a firing group of 5+. All weapons with identical stats combine into a firing group, so 3 tacticals firing 9 bolter shots gets the bonus.

>>96081898
Correct, you just need 5 or more dice in the firing group roll you make regardless if it's 1 gun that fires 5 times or 5 guns that fire once

>>96081929
posted last thread
https://imgur.com/a/lRaqKSw

>>96081898
What you mean, the AL trait was cracked. Can't believe GW let them keep it.

>>96081880
I enjoy how the WS trait is almost exclusively better than the SW trait in nearly every way

>>96081874
The issue with the HH2.0 trait is that it did literally nothing for them as a melee army. Fuck all.

The best way to play NL in 2.0 was as a gunline that dismantled the enemy using the advantage of night fighting and their surprisngly good anti-tank firepower. While it was in a way thematic (NL suck at fighting fair and have to compensate for it by being unfair and cowardly) the whole "cold and pragmatic gunline" is simply not NL, not fully or really. NL are sadistic melee murderers, not people who are content to sit back with nemesis bolters and hope they never have to get their hands dirty. Thats for raven guard and the AL.

The new trait represents the NL fantasy so much better, they soften the enemy up with shooting, sowing chaos in the ranks and tilting the odds in their favor, before coming in to seal the deal personally. They become very scary, almost untouchable, when they fight on their terms, but they rely on setting up those conditions first. You can feel the narrative just oozing out as the NL commander and his elite swoop in to attack the confused enemy lines (and then either slaughter them in the chaos or get got because the enemy held firm and fought back).

>>96081896
3/4 status effects test on cool, not LD.

>>96081898
Youre kidding right? Traitors got so many good ones. SoH, IW and NL all have really good traits. TSONs too if you count "are all psykers" as part of it. Loyalists only really have RG and Sallies with the goods.

>IF trait
Yes, if when you roll the dice theres more than 5 (5 or more?) dice in that bucket of dice then you get +1 to hit with them.
It basically just means dreadnoughts with one autocannon dont benefit.

>>96081942
Thank you

>>96081565 (OP)
TQ: I’m considering printing a mechanicum army because I never even looked at their rules in 2.0 nor have I ever seen them on the tabletop, so I’d be going into it with a blank slate and I’m not even aware at how much they got fucked over or not.

>>96081956
>SoH
Isn't it just like, some botl pistol or storm bolter shots? hardly goin gto make a difference when charging something
>IW
I guess i'm not used to statuses being a thing yet
>NL
Again, how often do statuses come up? Is it a regular occurrence or is it unreliable like pinning in 2.0?

>>96081956
night lords "we're spooky" matches the narrative against Imperial Guard. Space Marines give literally zero fucks that you have spoopy decorations on your shoulderpads, so the Outnumbered Bonuses and Night Fighting bonuses were the two actually fluffy and narrative and effective cores to Night Lords. NL lost their 2 good things and gained some non-narrative bullshit that's inherently weaker. People can bring Apothecaries or other status removal for their important units and they can simply focus-fire the NL's expensive melee unit because NL no longer have any possibility to do fuckall with their shooting units which have no legion trait, no night fighting, no gambits, no benefits on reactions, nothing at all outside melee.

>>96081982
>Isn't it just like, some botl pistol or storm bolter shots?
All weapons without heavy if youre a terminator, and all assault weapons normally. Its basically free overwatch for basically everyone that isnt a HSS, and then if they win combat its potentially a free round of shooting AGAIN instead of pursuing.

>>96081488
I would have agreed with you but after them doubling down in the space marine two game I do t think they can go back anymore.

>>96081982
SoH got hard-shafted. Most units in-game should never Volley Fire because it just gives the enemy equal free Snapshots back while also failing your charge via casualty removals.

>>96081565 (OP)
Any time now...

>>96082001
>any second now
>see! sold out!
>no wait, thats 40k

>>96081565 (OP)
>tq
Not sure. I have Custodes and Knights but I would probably want to repaint or just buy new ones since they were some of my first miniatures.
I like the Saturnine termies and dread but most legion rules seem really boring. I could play TSons but they're going to be super bandwagony since it seems like they're one of the only legions with any sauce left.
I'll be building for 3rd regardless since it'll be what gets run at conventions and that's the only time I really play 30k.

>>96081565 (OP)
I'm gonna play Titanicus.

>>96082001
This means 10th edition 40k is objectively the best GW game ever made and that liking any specialist games (except titanicus) means you are enjoying a FAILURE of a game that NOBODY likes

>>96081982
>Again, how often do statuses come up?
Potentially quite a lot. Even elite units often have cool 8 or whatever, and you can find weapons with "status(2)" fairly easily. Add the fact that you can make them test for multiple different statuses per turn if you want, and that fear can reduce the stat futher, and you can fairly reliably get it off.

It wont be every time, but it will be good. A contekar squad on its own with the heavy flamer makes the enemy test for panic at -2LD, which is already like 50/50.

>>96081985
You dont need to be spooky to use a fucking machine gun to suppress the enemy you idiot. The NL arent relying on being super duper scary (even if being spooky very much IS their legion gimmick, or one of them, which is why they have the option to cause fear (last edition too)). Theyre relying on the same psychological tools available to everyone, they just take advantage of their enemy being weak better.

>night fighting bonuses
You mean the bonuses such as "the enemy is at -1LD (for your pinning)"? That was half of it, -1BS to be shot was the other.

>non narrative bullshit
NL being a predominantly melee legion that relies on bullying weakened opponents is much more narratively consistent than them being a gunline reliant on never engaging with the enemy.

>bring Apothecaries or other status removal
You cause the status on YOUR turn buddy. You then charge them and brutalize them in melee because thats what +1WS and going first does in a fight. It doesent matter if they would have recovered on their turn because you arent giving them the chance. Youre firing a suppressive(2) or a panic(3) or a pinning(2) or whatever else weapon at the unit within 12" of your fear(1) causing melee unit, and then you kill them.

>and they can simply focus-fire the NL's expensive melee unit because NL no longer have any possibility to do fuckall with their shooting
There is exactly one legion in the game that has any benefit to its shooting offensively.

>>96081565 (OP)
>What are your 30k plans going forward?
We have a large enough group interested in reworking things back into 2.0, and a subsequent 2.5 with any changes we like from 3.0, that we will keep going.

There's another narrative campaign we have planned for one thing.

>>96082042
Don't you understand that how many scalpers deciding to go bankrupt on a product is the main factor in determining success?

>>96081565 (OP)
>TQ
I'm going to continue playing our escalation campaign with 2.0 rules.

I might even start that WB army I've been thinking about, with pic related my proxy Lorgar.

>>96082035
Maybe it's the model poses but AT always looked boring to me.

>>96081985
>People can bring Apothecaries
The apothecaries that cost a once-per-turn reaction to use?

my sol aux are going to be lame arent they

>>96081916
I have bought so many packs of chainaxes, I don't even know how many now.

If I need more I just open up my WE box and more appear.

>>96082098
It's one of the best rules systems that GW has ever put out, high granularity compared to other Warhammer games without being a rules slog like BT.

Also very fun in 28mm if you've got some recast kings sitting around collecting dust.

>>96081625
They gave Deflahrate a S stat just to give the moritats guns a lower S, after making the base S higher than it was...

>>96081880
>DG: count as stationary if they move 4" or less, ignore difficult terrain

They only count as stationary when it comes to the Heavy special rule. It won't do anything if there's anything else that gets a bonus for being stationary.

>>96081950
The horrible terrain rules which are entirely arbitrary will determine if space wolves one is passable or not. The upside is +2" setup skips difficult terrain entirely, you can walk to the edge of the forest, then wolves can go 4"+highestof2d6 towards the enemy without difficult terrain (like skip an 8" forest entirely usually) White Scars are like batman beating up flash, if they so much as touch a forest with their toe it would rob their 2" bonus entirely then in melee they only move 2"+highestof2d6.

Wolves could be Okay If tournaments rule that most area terrain is always Light Cover (since medium cover makes everything instantly invisible beyond 3" and hard cover has essentially no shooting or melee possible since no LoS at all means you can't even charge). If they want to use the ass-retarded medium and heavy cover rules, then SW are F-tier as no one will be trying to use forests to slow down melee attackers, since that'd mean they couldn't shoot at all.

Deathguard are oddly yet a gain a more mobile and flexible feeling army than White Scars, with +4" stationary movement for all the constant Heavy guns that are now meta and they have the same speed as white scars if the scar touches difficult terrain with their little toe.

>>96081985
>no night fighting, no gambits, no benefits on reactions, nothing at all outside melee.
Gambits are inherently in melee. Theyre a mechanic in challenges.
But yes, the NL trait is now melee oriented. Very astute of you to notice.

Is your argument just devolving into "well melee just cant work because something something shooting will always kill it" (but our shooting is bad because it gets no benefits like every other legion in the game except one)"?
We have one of the few remaining active combat buff traits. A significant number of them having been swapped to utility (DA, IW, UM, WS, SW, AL, WB all provide no active combat benefit, defensive benefit or benefit to shooting). Our trait would have been insane last edition, let alone in this one.

NL are now good at melee, very good. Unless melee is entirely non-viable (which the objective oriented low turn count missions will probably mean wont happen) NL have a pretty damn good legion trait provided you arent an absolute ape and learn to do basic things like "shoot the thing you want to charge".

NL units are now also quite good. Contekar benefit a lot from the new volley system and can set up their own status effects fairly reliably. They also deep strike.
Raptors are now one of the scariest melee units in the game, and if you manage to keep them safe from the same shooting that would have ruined them last edition they will annihilate whatever you throw them at.
Terror squads are still not idea, but theyre in a good slot (troops) and you can rhino rush them at people to take advantage of their vanguard(2)

>>96082101
He means the other thing. Apothecaries can (on their turn afaik) try and remove status effects by passing a check. Which isnt super important for NL anyways because you arent generally setting up your charge a turn or two in advance (in that way). If you want to charge a pinned unit you pin it the turn youre going to charge, not a turn before that.

>>96082122
the heavy special rule is the only thing that actually matters for stationary that has been shown, so DG for all intents and purposes get +4" movement stationary.

>>96081695
>>96081676
Melta doubles the Damage characteristic and grants Armourbane (a Glance becomes a Pen, and any rule which normally forces a Glance instead forces a Pen), Overload means rolls of up to that number To Hit self-inflict that hit on your unit

>Overload (1) means that any rolls of one to hit target your own squad!

>Melta (6) grants Armourbane within 6” and doubles damage to a mighty six

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ky4t9whx/rules-in-the-age-of-darkness-investigating-the-new-weapon-stats/

It seems likely (looking at the leaked stats for Melta weapons generally) that the number in Melta (X) refers only to range and Melta itself grants Armourbane and double Damage up to that range; they're not all half-range either, some are over, some are under.

>>96082111
The only rules slog in BT is if you decide to use a bunch of optional rules.

>>96082001
>>96082010
>>96082042
This was never going to sell out. This is an Edition box, not a FOMO box.

>>96081565 (OP)
Quick and dirty unfinished AL test models. Idea is terran veterans who eventually jump ship because they see the writing on the wall of how the AL starts eating itself alive by the siege of terra. I want the paintjob to be a transitional one, a balance between the more blue color of their pre-heresy depictions versus the post-heresy teal. The armor kitbashing is also intentional, newer armor marks are supposed to have better sensors and I could see AL taking advantage of it as *the* marksman legion

This is a really damn minor thing in light of all the other shit, but I like this Corposant Stave better than 2.0's haywire stick. It's simple and neat.

>>96082143
These feel more like Sons of Horus, to be honest.

Do we have Combat Shield rules somewhere?

Cheers,
Pissboy

>>96082160
5+ invuln in melee

Theyre actually quite good.

>>96082160
boarding shield is 5++ against both melee and shooting, become Heavy unit type, Shield keyword (for shieldwall reaction)

combat shield is 5++ in melee-only and +1 to focus rolls in duels.

>>96081942
>https://imgur.com/a/lRaqKSw
>shock chargers are AP4

>>96082163
Thx, appreciated. Indeed!

>>96082153
The recipe is grey knights steel, heavy shade of drakenhof nightshade, a stormhost silver highlight, followed by aeldari emerald contrast. It was gonna get a gloss varnish but I like how the shade under the contrast makes it look like weathered metal. Do you think the classic akhelian green contrast usually used for AL would work better?

>>96082177
* don't know if yet another AI-generated fuckup, but the Combat Shield does not have the Shield keyword so you can't do a Shieldwall reaction using Combat Shields, only Boarding Shields.

>>96082123
Scars characters get cyberhawks that grant move through cover for the whole unit, seems pretty much auto take on all the centurions people will be running as tax anyway.

>>96082138
The problem Is that overload Is only explained in that One article... But Is not in the core book or the astartes/hereticus Liber... Also the article don't go into details for interaction suck as with blast, barrage, template or against what armor facing Is resolved when triggered by a vehicle...

>>96082144
>make a special rule to apply pinning, stunned, suppressed
>put all those is brackets anyway
simple and neat indeed.

>>96081694
I'm actually pretty fine with the UM change. Somehow 1 free reaction a turn really does fit tactical flexibility more than a flat +1 to hit imo. Old LA would have probably been pretty easy to abuse this edition
Suzerains been knocked down a notch is also fine, they were way too good before.
Inwas hopping fulmentarus would be a bit better but I'm not holding my breath seeing the Tyrants...
At least I hope they have fucking guns

>>96082183
I think that might be intentional. Theyre described as more of a buckler thing, not something you do a testudo or whatever with.

really wish WS still had that bonus to 1st turn :(

>>96081565 (OP)
Does anyone have the liber astartes leaks with the generic unit roster?
I heard bike consuls got slaughtered, is it just praetor on bike and centurion on bike now?

>>96082225
No characters or command squads on bikes in the liber.

>>96082225
>is it just praetor on bike and centurion on bike now?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Since jump pack Praetorian squads can take disitigrator rifles do I make 10 to hunt scoring since they get their 2+ against overload or do take volkite to volley fire and not commit with a Moritat? Rifle jump pack units are based.

>>96081739
Isn't tartaros also slow and purposeful?

>>96082230
>>96082231
Huh, that's something for sure

>>96082237
The characters on bikes thing is, of all the things missing, something which may well come back in legacies. But yea its weird.

>>96082143
Also a TS tactical marine, note the looted salamanders bolter

>>96082245
Yeah I figured. It's also just easy to house rule as a piece of wargear for a nominal cost, so not too huge of a deal.

>>96082178
Yeah don't use castellax without power blades, or probably at all.

>>96082234
Nope tartaros have Total mobility like regular infantry

>>96081950
Yea that was weird to see. Iwas expecting a second part the the SW one but I guess they are just strictly worse WS...

>>96082284
It's funny too because saygar mazan expendable (2) are also just a straight up superior version of the Iron Warrior's expendable (1), AND they can use it on cavalry as well not just infantry

>>96081995
Pretty sure that's not how it works. The enemy being charged get to volley fire at you even if you choose not to do it

How do you guys go about choosing a legion to play? Was there one that just stood out to you or did you have to do some thinking on it

>>96081868
Some magos Biologis with a hard on for human body augmentation type stuff. Could actually be a neat basis for conversions until James chimps out and removes even that.

On a side note if Militia/Cults becomes the strongest faction via some oversight of rules interactions(very doable) do you think we will see an uptick in based yourdudes armies and would Waacfags be too lazy for that faction?

>>96081924
This is by design

>>96082306
>>96081924
I kind of want to use them as the new TSon robots because I just use my Heresy TSons in 40k

>>96082306
They do look a lot better without shoulder pads dont they?

>>96082144
It's the 'fuck your vehicle' stick lmao

>>96082106
based

>>96082183
Probably no, they seem very intended for melee and the reaction in only for ranged attacks iirc

>>96082306
Ball and socket joins? Interesting

>>96082225
No bikes at all and that's a shame cus normal outriders actually seem good

>>96082320
You are part of the problem

>>96082232
>jump pack Praetorian squads
Are those a different entry?
Why didn't they make the footsloging ones BS5 instead then. Seems like a no brainer

>>96082343
They're low-level psyler nuggets

>>96082277
Isn't slow and purposeful the thing that lets you shoot heavy weapons counting as stationary?
Heavy is what doesn't let cata run iirc

I'm planning on making all the Marines in the two boxes I'm getting into breachers for hm UM, how many should I make into praetorians?

>>96082163
>>96082160
Combat shields are about the only thing done in favor of melee this edition

>>96081739
How Slow and purposeful even work?

>>96082321
Yup

>>96082306
They might have looked better with the guns on their back

>>96082368
Anon theyre literally about to release a new breacher kit, probably revealed this week at the summer preview.

>>96082373
Vanguard and 4 turn limit.

>>96082373
yeah, now that dual wielding has been removed from the game, if your unit has the same number of attacks with powerfist+combat shield compared to two axes, the shield is just free value.

>>96082400
4 turn limit cripples melee armies. Have a rhino/landraider immobilized and your unit will be lucky to fight once or twice before entire game ends.
A shooting unit works all 4 turns every game.

>>96082299
I'm doing some thinking right now, but generally I think it's whatever aesthetics and type of gameplay you like the best.
Bout to drop a hundred at a recaster and get this army kicked off.

>>96082284
A lot of WS's stuff seems low key at first but they don't really have any duds

+2" movement for all non-vehicles during your turn is just fantastic. It affects set up moves since those are determined by M+I, so it double dips in utility.

Cyberhawks for +10 points makes any HQ at all a pathfinder with moves through cover.

Chogorian warband as an auxiliary detachment and not an apex means getting as many bikes/jetbikes in your army as you want is a breeze.

Being able to make any infantry or cavalry unit Expendable (2) is a hell of a prime slot, to the point of it being a good default choice if you have no other idea of what to do with it.

Khan seems fine, even if he's just on foot. Giving Fast (2) to all infantry and himself on turn 1 means he's naruto running at M12. The odd decision to let him spam land raider explorators is interesting, if kind of out of left field.

Qin Xa has a guaranteed reserves roll that isn't limited to turn 1, solid

Hibou is kind of a meme but his 4+ "He just doesn't die" gambit isn't once per game which could end up being hilarious

Stormseers are good, can add your initiative to your movement which means between Jaghatai + WS bonus + Stormseers you can have >20" of normal movement before charging at all

Ebon keshig have more of a reason to exist now, they got bumped to T5 and are AP2 on the charge while retaining FNP(6+) and Expendable (2) but are only 35 points a pop now

Golden Keshig are still great against vehicles/monsters but got a glow up vs everyone else now that they're 3A base and come with power swords/axes for free
Scatterbolt launchers gaining assault is insane, 6 fucking templates on your own charge after moving 18" with zero other buffs involved

Their special reaction only targets one unit now, but getting 14"/16" of free movement on your bikes during your opponents movement phase will never be useless

Downsides:
The WS gambit is just flipping a coin for a minor buff, whatever

Bike characters?! What?

>>96082400
also, sweeping advance was removed so you beat up a squad and it just runs away without dying, you get no victory points for wiping out the entire squad, game ends before anything happens.

>>96081880
>>WB: +1 combat res (lol)
How can we exploit this glorious trait, Word Bros?

>>96082367
Nope... It Is a negative rule that don't allow you to disingage or follow up After combat.
There Is no rule shooting as stationary (only a vehicle sub type or Death Guardo trait).
The other rule they have (implacabile Advance or something like that) allow them to Fire any non heavy weapons during volley Fire as they were assault

>>96082351
In what way?

>>96082306
>Jurry rig sone random guns to it
>fill in the neck whole
>cut the halo off a storm cast head and attach the face flat to it
>leave shoulders off
Could be a cool indystrial walking iron maiden

>>96082400
Vanguard is fair, should be +1 for everyone that has it, ESPECIALLY with a

>4 turn limit

Yeah? Let me introduce you to 1-unit per turn Deep Strike, WITH NO CHARGING, in the MOTHERFUCKING ****DROPPPP SIIIIITE MMMMMMAAAAASSSACREEEE**** GRARGLARGBARGLMARGLGG

>>96082405
4 round games as a hard rule is so gay.

Many games will naturally conclude within 4 turns, and that's great.
But many, MANY games go down to the wire, with huge levels of carnage and the last scraps of your army scrambling to try secure a win. And those games tends to be the most exciting.

A hard 4 turn limit also means you simply HAVE to just push directly to objectives or whatever - flanking around the edges of the map and other shit is simply not practical as it will take them out of the game for... basically the whole game.

I know people say 'just house rule it' and obviously that's easy, but its indicative of where GW is trying to push the game.

Next will be smaller minimum board sizes - they've already range nerfed many of the long range weapons in the game.

>>96082479
2k recomended game sizes next edition

>>96082488
nah, they always want to sell more models - large point sized games are good for them.

They just make units cheaper instead, like they've done with thallax.

>>96082401
And you don't want to be gunning down the front row anyway

>>96082405
Yeah, melee takes time to set up; it's like stealth in video games

Should I start a Iron Warriors or World Eaters army? I like the heavy weapons so I would want to have a good amount of those in my army, but I'm worried I would get bored of painting IW. I like the WE scheme a lot but playing solely melee seems like a drag

>>96082417
I really hope bikes preators, centurions and optae are a thing in the legacies pdf.
Most consuls couldn't take bike either but it'd be nice if a couple of them could too

>>96082413
Swag. I got like four different army ideas. Loyalist War Hounds is kinda where I'm at right now cause I dig their color scheme but I have no idea if I'd like the melee rush chainaxe spam so I was thinking of going for a more generalist legion

>>96082474
Please, re-read this message after taking your meds.

I refuse to believe you are as autistic as this.

>>96082508
It's such an easy shoe-in that I would be shocked if it weren't. That, and bikes only change movement + unit type + a new gun since 2.0, so they're relatively easy to put a point cost on if you're just homebrewing.

Am I right in thinking the only squads I can run Eidolon with in 3.0 are bog standard Assault Squads or the new Veteran Assault Squads?

>>96082525
They also have Firestorm. Which is absurdly brutal with the plasma. They really got a glow up
Driving through difficult terrain without causinf dangerous terrain checks is also nice

>>96082509
>Dark Angels (because I already have a lot of the shoulder pads) squadmaxxed tacspam
>Night Lords deepstrike spam with master of descent
>Alpha Legion Exodus spam
Many good ideas HOWEVER, I will wait for Legacies to destroy our hopes first

>>96082546
You can join any unit, can't you?

>>96082507
We are not solely melee, anon, they're very specific about this in the fluff (by the time of the seige they've completely gone off the deep end though, admittedly).

WE are excellent at armoured warfare, and happily use lots of ranged units. They key with WE is that the end goal is always some form of smashing people's melons in, but they appreciate the need for firepower to make that happen.

Also yeah their colour scheme is great.

>>96082571

Technically yes. But if I want to make use of Eidolon's jump pack, are there any 12" move units that I'm missing because that feels kinda restrictive.

>>96082568
deepstrike spam isn't a thing. You can deepstrike one squad and they can't charge, so they simply gun your one NL unit down without you ever getting a legion trait.

>>96081995
You get to abuse volley fire, always declare a charge even if it's not possible and win each engagement. Even if no one else is charging that unit. With move after disembark and charge you can easily have unfailing charges too.

Knight leaks when?

>>96082515
Sorry to freak you out, normal fag, let me translate:
"In such an environment as we find ourselves, what with the 3-at-most turns of charging, I and the Melee Confederation must come out in favor of disagreement with the entire concept that fewer turns is good for melee, much less melee preceeded by snap fire."

Pussy fucking faggot

I find it funny that mechanicum is not only probably the only faction that will actually use tactical support auxes for troops, but also the faction where combat vets is a BIS

>>96082599
>his legion specific melee units aren't M18 base

>>96082607
Paragon of Metal being semi-spammable is just funny

>>96082560
I'm just realizing now what SoH bikes can do now. Didn't take them for the biker type

>>96082597
99% of good weapons in game aren't assault so SoH can't even shoot them when volley firing except for the terminator squad. And the terminator squad still has shit shooting for the points cost and doing extra-damage-volleyfire just guarantees you fail your charge and next turn enemy easily buttfucks your overextended terminators standing 7" from his front line where he gets move + setup + 2d6subtract1 charges on them with his whole army.

>>96082546
command squad with jumppacks, presumably. Also legacies will definitately have palatine blades with jetpacks.

>>96082584
Bikes and jetbikes I supposse.
Palatine blades would probably have jumpacks in the pdf

>>96082608
OK, NOWWW I'M ANGRY

>>96082586
>master of descent turn 1 with vet assault squad (hand flamers) or a 20-man blob of raptors
>20-man contekar blob near/on an objective
>20-man raptor blob somewhere
>20-man contekar blob to contest final objective

>>96082653
>4 units deepstriking
If you fail a single reserve roll, you automatically have at least one unit that will not show up on the table and will count as destroyed

>>96082653
you get one deepstriker per turn. And they can't charge, so they don't force any enemies off any objectives.

>>96082627
Pistol exist. Again, you don't have to volley fire what you want to charge. It's simply a way to get extra damage in over your opponent. Nor do you have to volley into special weapons squads with volley. It makes your defensive volley much better and gives you a second shooting phase with pistols, assault, and termis. It's a great rule if used well.

>>96082669
your legion trait is the ability to fail charges or choose to have no legion trait. Again, that's a bad legion trait and you're mentally retarded.

>>96082669
>It's a great rule if used well.
Woah, slow your roll. This is tg, using nuanced rules as intended is absurd. It's either straight gas or trash.

>>96082581
Bruh, I just noticed that falax blades are quite literally just worse versions of twin lightning claws now. Not even some kind of sidegrade, they're exactly the same except they get no special rules at all.

WHat the fuck?

>>96082424
You get victory points for them running away, because you have vanguard. Or you follow them and end up locked in combat on their turn too so you cant be shot. (or both)

>>96082474
>, should be +1 for everyone that has it,
lol
"5vp because your justaerin made a tactical squad run away"

>4 turn limit
Yea numbnuts. That means units have to try and run up the board to score, which means youre getting to grips with them in melee

>no charging from deep strike
And? You dont care about charging their backline, you care about charging the guys on the objectives to get your sweet sweet vanguard points (and so you can claim them yourself).

>>96082629

Either I'm missing a page of leaks or the Centurion/Praetorian Command Squads can't take jump packs, right?

>>96082653
Hand flamers are pretty bad. They don't have Panic

>>96082653
>20 man blob of raptors that get to charge once, maybe.
>20 man contekar blob that gets to charge 0 times, guaranteed

yeah ok bro, sounds powerful man.

>>96082682
nuance is understanding weak pistol shots to have your charge odds go from 90% to 60% is simply a method to lose games. The word you're looking for is retarded takes.

>>96082692
I am 99.9% sure that legacies will have shit loads of jumppack/bike/termie unit options, similar to how it was with the 2.0 legacies list.

>>96082692
Praetorians can, but that page never got leaked

>>96082662
>If you fail a single reserve roll
MoD makes them all automatic successes.


>>96082676
The legion trait is every volkite charger, combi bolter and plasma pistol firing twice (thrice?) per turn.

>shoot someone in shooting phase
>charge, volley fire
>win combat, gun them down (volley fire)
>get charged on enemy turn, volley fire

>>96082141
Anon permanent run boxes sell out all the time. The cathay battalion sold out in 5 mins on the NA webstore and that isn’t a fomo box.

>>96082711

You mean this page?

>>96082676
>You can only volley fire units you intend to enter melee with
You're right. Full BS shooting from several units just for the sole purpose of causing casualties is terrible. I don't know why you would position units in such a way. Like tacticals totally unloading 10-20 pistol shots at 9-12" at full BS into enemy Tacticals will never happen. You're right. Thats silly. You can't also take units designed to abuse this, like volkite charger squads. Taking tech for you legion is stupid.

>>96082662
>If you fail a single reserve roll
Strato-vox

>>96082666
Yes, that's why I listed 4 units.

>>96082693
Oh well, Raptors it is.

>>96082700
>20-man blob that can still hamper movement and react
You fags need to stop obsessing about charges

>>96082714
>MoD makes them all automatic successes
You still can't charge out of DS

>>96082714
>MoD makes them all automatic successes

Have you considered that making a list that relied purely on a single model surviving the entire game, then deepstriking him into the enemy on turn 1 is likely to result in your opponent doing everything in their power to kill him as fast as possible?

And considering your theoretical list has most of the army in reserve, they won't have many other targets to focus on.
Once the MoD is dead, the rest of your reserves are an absolute shit show, and any fails is effectively discarding huge chunks of your army.

>>96082725
No, there's a separate praetorian command squad with jump packs

>>96082749

Oh incredible. There's hope yet. Thanks.

>>96082702
Why do you feel need to get into melee with tacticals and the like? They don't score in CC. You could just sit 8.1" away and not charge on purpose for free better volleys. I swear people are so hard wired to always charge everything that the nuance of volley just for free shooting damage is incomprehensible. Just don't volley with your dedicated melee units. It's not that hard.

>>96082749
Why exactly are Praetors called Praetors instead of Praetorians when Centurions aren't called Centurs?

>>96082725
No, theres jump praetorian command squad

>>96082734
I never said you could. DS is not going to be for assaults that turn. Its either to let you contest an otherwise unreachable objective late-game (DS behind cover once the enemy has advanced, next turn move out and assault whoever is holding the objective) or its going to be for dropping 10 melta dudes 3" behind the rear armor of a tank you dont like. The MoD essentially just moves up really far turn 1, and then assaults turn 2 like every other close combat unit.

The MoD does however make DS guaranteed. Shame he doesent work on flyers.

>>96082756
I believe failing a charge makes you pinned, or one of the other status

>>96082754
Copy paste but with M12 and anti grav

>>96082742
he hasn't, he's clearly mentally retarded. He thinks SoH worst warlord trait to fail charges is actually super shooting (with PISTOLS lmao what a fucking moron)

No surprise he thinks an army of just 4 deepstrike blobs and 1 easily turn-1-sniped character is a big brain play. He's literally injected his brain with botox and you could use it to iron your shirts.

>>96082756
tactical bolters are not Assault weapons, so SoH trait doesn't give them any shooting. And failed charging not only gives the enemy free rounds of shooting at you too, it also constantly stuns your units when they fail a Ld test, and stunned units are unable to move and strike last in melee, so you've made your entire unit a complete free kill because you're a retard who wants bolt pistol shots.

>>96082761
Anon they are roman words
Your question also makes no sense

>>96082771
Its a cool check to avoid being stunned.

>>96082756
And another reason you're an idiot is charging is mandatory towards the closest enemy the full distance. You're not allowed to declare a charge and stay 10" away and shoot. You have to do the entire setup move towards the closest enemy and you must attempt to touch the closest enemy with your 2d6-subtractlowest roll.

You seriously haven't got even a basic idea how the game plays.

>>96082742
>>96082782
Did you know you can take TWO masters of descent and have one just chill in your deployment zone?
It's almost like I was only detailing the fun gimmick and not the entire armylist. Buncha slack-jawed faggots around here.

>>96082790
Bolt pistols exist, 10-20 marines. You shoot at full BS, they snap shot. That's a trade up. Don't fail leaders, skill issue.

>>96082767
>Shame he doesent work on flyers.
Flyers don't do DS, do they?
They automatically come in every turn

>>96082805
Got it, thank you

>>96082810
Set up is explicitly optional, even still 2d6+2 pick the highest is 8. At 8.1" with a 2" set up is impossible to get base to base.

>>96082812
You took 20 raptors and 20 contekar, there really isnt much list left at that point.

>>96082818
AAHAHAHAHAH
no they roll, 3+ the first time, 4+ the next, 5+ the one after that...

>mech rules leak got me a little pumped
>alright i'll finish converting that darkmech archmagos i've been meaning to do
>cant find his army

FOR FUCKS SAKE JAMES I KNOW IT WAS YOU
NOW I GOTTA BUY AN ENTIRE ARCHMAGOS FROM A RECASTER JUST FOR THE ARM BECAUSE NO BITS SITE HAS IT

If I want to start solar aux should I just buy as many battle groups as possible?

>>96082813
10 bolt pistol shots omg you've killed 1 marine, failed your charge, stunned your unit, strike last in melee and they have an easy charge and wipe your entire squad striking first even with thunderhammers. You big brain ooga booga!

>>96082812
ok bro, thank you for sharing your super elite pro gamer strat.
I will keep it in mind, please continue with your tactical analysis :)

Sigh. Guess I'll just slowly build up an army and wait for 4th edition then

>>96082810
>>96082822
Setup is optional, AND you can declare a charge even when its physically impossible to actually reach the target unit.

So yes you can definitely and reliably 'declare charges' purely to spam more volley fire, which is pretty fucking cheesy and gay, in all honestly. Being able to just spam extra shooting phasing is very cringe.

I hate when a model looks way cooler than your ability to paint the model.

>>96082850
As others have pointed out it does come at risk. You do leave yourself exposed if you fail your cool, and the enemy does get to fire back. It is however potentially a free round of shooting with your now 4 shot terminators.

Its a niche strat some units will want to use and some wont. SoH will probably want to abuse it though.

>>96082858
Literally how I feel about every single one of my models.

>>96082869
It does seem to benefit terminators the most. Which is at least somewhat fitting for SoH I guess.

>>96082869
The problem with 'they can volley fire back' is the same problem with return fire as a reaction.

Simply most units don't have good enough shooting for it to matter, so volleyfire/return fire is really justa buff to good shooting units, and a punch in the dick to everyone else.

Honestly I'm just fucking sick of GW adding more ways to shoot multiple times per turn.

>>96082850
Failing chages makes you stunned. It's probably not something you want to do unless you have firestorm

>>96082869
I hope my opponents are stupid enough to spend their points on plasma pistols to try "to abuse" such a bad rule. That's so much less scary than if they take real melee weapons and successfully charge as World Eaters or take volkite AP2 guns with 28" threat range on deathguard or play any army with a real trait unlike SoH.

>>96082479
GW thinks all their customers have adhd so they need to make games that dont last long and you kill a lot of units while you play

>>96082198
If it's not in the leaks, it may it's not in the preview copies sent out so they can identify leakers and stop sending them shit.

>interaction suck as with blast, barrage

barrage just extends Blast, so it only really interacts with Blast, probably the way Gets Hot does

>template

template doesn't roll To Hit so I would assume, as it's basically Gets Hot, that you place the template as normal and roll off for it anyway, just as with Gets Hot

>>96082888
Just be Coo enough to not get stunned. Apothecary spam with SoH is unironically good with that strat. Effectively Cool 10.

>>96082885
>good shooting units
HSS do not have good voley fire. Good shooting power and "strong volley fire" are going to be two different things.

>>96082890
>volkite AP2 guns

>>96081565 (OP)
>TQ
Play 3.0 because I like playing Warhammer with my friends and regardless of the changes, it's better than the alternative of playing 40k 10th

No datasheet leaks on the auxilia yet but the new command squads all sound very fun. Would like to see points and datasheets at some point tho lol.

>>96082915
*Heavy Disintegrator, not volkite. It's the new thing they're pushing to free-kill any morons who spend 560 points on 10 justaerin + apothecary hoping for 8" bad shooting damage.
You can take several squads of them and effortlessly pick off terminators thanks to 24" range and the terminators can't volley fire you because if they deepstrike they can't declare charges or volley fires, and if they footslog around they will never ever get in range of a faster moving 24" shooting unit. And if you add+400 points for a spartan, now you have a 960 point trash unit which will get Stunned by one status and never be in volleyfire range by the end of the game and will do literally nothing when it finally does volley for 1 kill.

>>96082947
why do the friends upgrade to 3?

>>96082955
>*Heavy Disintegrato
The gun with two shots that kills you if you fire it? How scary.

>>96082947
it's honestly even less fun than warhammer 40k 9E or 10E. 4 turn length is the tipping point. 40k is still a 5 turn game.

>>96082915
>HSS do not have good voley fire. Good shooting power and "strong volley fire" are going to be two different things.

I am aware of that anon, but its the same principal.
There is this universal mechanic that is only genuinely useful to a relatively small number of units.

>>96082955
How are you spamming heavy Disintegrators, they're only on saturnine terminators and up to 2 on veteran tactical squads. You know they're not available on HSS right?

>>96082969
the gun that pops 2 terminators with 2 shots, unlike a bolt pistol. If you roll a 1 it doesn't kill the guy who is killing 2 terminators, overload puts the wound on any squad member you want so it just gobbles a rookie bolter.

Compared to your retard idea of bolt pistols, 8 shots that each kill a terminator per bullet are much scarier, yes.

>>96082178
And the fucking decimator claw is only AP3 and D2 in melee.
Our MELEE FOCUSED DREADNOUGHT is only AP3 and D2.

>This whole shitshow revealing just how far Warhammer influencers and sites like Goonerhammer have their tongues up GW's arse.
How deep did you think the rot went before the rules were leaked?

>>96082966
Because the friends want to try the game themselves before they decide if they like it or not

>>96082976
>There is this universal mechanic that is only genuinely useful to a relatively small number of units.
That sounds fine to me? Bikes, terminators and (god willing) destroyers benefit from volley fire more than assault marines and dark furies. Rampagers benefit more from close combat than tactical marines.

>>96082973
Having played the new core missions since Siege of Cthonia, which also last 4 turns, it's not too short at all. In combination with objectives being scored at the end of each turn, it forces people to push their units forward and fight over objectives, rather than sit in a corner and shoot all game until the cheap token scoring units can score without any contest.

>>96082988
>the gun that pops 2 terminators with 2 shots
It kills less than a terminator per volley.

>>96082996
I knew of it and just ignored them, their posts, the posts here asking for influencers to follow, etc.. They are walking ads at worst and useful idiots for GW at best.

>>96082985
It costs 190 points per vet squad which gets 2 god guns each. That's incredibly spammable compared to a retard who is putting 960 points into a justaerin squad because he thinks volley fire makes his unit shoot 3x.

>>96082996
Anon wtf are you on about? Every new edition of every game system they remove options and introduce stupud shit no one asked for
Every new edition of every game system the influenced suck GWs dick because their lifelyhood literally depends on it
It's been like this for a while

>>96082897
One of the main difference (that we know of) Is that overload Is not and auto wound like the old gets hot but Is resolved as an HIT on the firing unit, that complicate things with blast weapon since the hit determine the placement of the blast area

>>96083010
The issue with 4 tirns is reserves still having to roll to cone in. That's ridiculous

The Horus Heresy - D.O.A. Edition

>>96083029
>Get his ass!
Is he still WIP?

1 word
CoMptroller

>>96083032
That's why you brought something like a master of signal, to make sure reserves come in on a 2+
In the new edition you get to roll for reserves turn 1 by default too, good improvement. Except for deep strike though, deep strike got fucked.

>>96083044
thanks for the reminder, let's check in. At lunch time it was 16 copies, 7 hours later it's to 14 copies, customers across the US sure are embracing this game

>>96082996
allegedly the only big warhammer channels doing lore and anything not directly hobby related have long since signed on with gw hence why they dont promote alt minis and havent got sued

>>96083062
Besides everything else, warhammer would unironically improve if amerifats stayed the fuck away.

>>96082707
No but anon don’t you understand. Being reasonable and not shitting yourself makes you a shill

>>96083050
yeah, nowhere near finished. all dry fitted right now

>>96083002
>Bikes, terminators and (god willing) destroyers benefit from volley fire more than assault marines and dark furies
6 of these on golden keshig going 18" + their set up move is just nasty

>>96083072
We're already an ocean away.

>>96083062
>Haha they've only sold half their stock in the 2 days of the 14 day preorder window before release! BTFO!
I understand the frustration over the new edition but this is /v/ tier nigger faggotry

>>96082996
warhammer youtubers are so far up GW's ass they use james ribcage for pullup bars.
GW sends them thousands of dollars of bribes every single year and then stacks that with exclusive marketing access for clickbait news videos which generate them a lot of free money. Basically the equivalent of GW buying them a new car every year.

Every single one who says "this preview copy" or "Gw sent me" I immediately blacklist from youtube using the blocklist extension so I never see them again.

>>96083052
for those who didn't catch it, GW fucked up the spelling of controller, so the entire mechanicum liber has the word (cortex) controller mispelled as comptroller

>>96083103
Can they get an Auditor General as well?

>>96082707
the 2.0 legacies list didn't have a shit load of wargear options.
It had something like 97 units, only 4 of which were wargear fixes.
I doubt they're going to throw in 40+ more wargear fix units.

>>96083096
the game flopped, the web stores have sold 4-6 copies per U.S. state so far. And 70-80% of GW customers don't even play the game they just hoard boxes on their shelves or fingerpaint the minis and shelve them.
That's like 1 actual player per state.

>>96083096
Age of Darkness didn't sell out
Burning of Prospero didn't sell out
Betrayal at Calth didn't sell out

Steamcharts have rotten these zoomer's minds

>>96082581
Thanks for the reply. I especially like the way tanks and dreads look in the white and blue, so maybe I'll go with a vehicle heavy force for them.

>>96083103
comptroller is a real word

>>96083052
>>96083103
Comptroller is an actual word that was referenced as one of the alternate names for fabricator generals a few times before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comptroller

>>96083109
Do you know if you speak in enough hyperbole, everyone can tell you're lying
There's a technique to bait

If I was 0 and 2 against the “Amerifats”, I’d keep my mouth full of bad teeth closed. Just sayin’

>>96083109
I like how you preemptively try to move from "no one is buying them" to "W-w-well they're not actual players! Their money doesn't count!" in the same post

>>96083126
ok, mutt

>>96083130
your post was filtered. I could not possibly care less about your cope, HH3 is a massive flop.

>>96082685
They want to make you angry

I'm worried for the Inductii

>>96083002
Being able to shoot multiple times per turn, no matter what circumstance is always gay as fuck anon.

>>96082685
Welcome to 3.0

>>96083137
You can be justifiably upset at how poorly the rules are being handled and the changes being arbitrarily made without letting that cloud your vision of reality with genuine psychosis

A lot of dumb boomer no-games are going to buy it for le heckin' saturnine termies because dumb boomer no-games are the majority of GW's customer base, especially HH

No amount of /v/ tier steam charts nigger faggotry is going to change any of that, and even if you filter me it'll only show everyone else that you're a nigger faggot who isn't worth reading

>>96083108
anon read what I said.

I never said anything about wargear options, yeah those are fucked.

I just said its very likely there will be jetpack/termie/bike versions of units, not that they'll get all their old options back.

>>96083149
>Thinks inductii are getting rules
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>96083115
>>96083114
well whatever, it's still stupid

>>96083167
They're on the road map

>>96083115
it's just another case of talentless black library hacks trying to use a thesaurus to make up for zero writing talent or skill.

They think it's not a big deal that they suck at world-building and suck at creating conflicts and resolutions and suck at making any character who ever undergoes any transformations so long as they pull up thesaurus on google and replace 'colorful' with 'chatoyant' or 'smelly' with 'mephitic'

>>96083167

>>96083168
Why? It's been in the game for a long time.

>>96083167
I actually hope they don't release them fampai, with how this edition's been lookin

>>96083181
Why did you use so many words to say "I don't like that"
Adding a retarded allegory in just made it worse

>>96083191
NO IT'S IN A 3.0 RULEBOOK THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE NEW AND DIFFERENT AND THAT MEANS IT'S EVIL, I AM DEFINITELY NOT A 40K TOURIST FALLING FOR RAGE BAIT

>>96083165
>jetpack/termie/bike versions of units
Yes. All four of the units I referred to were precisely that. JUMP PACK Palatine Blades, JUMP PACK reavers, Cataphractii TERMINATOR Companions, Tartaros TERMINATOR Companions.

>>96083052
>>96083103
>even the machine god has to deal with taxes

>>96083181
>Doesn't know the word comptroller
>Gets mad and lashes out
Low IQ indicators.

>>96083103
>>96083052
Average Sharia-compliant British education

>>96083165
Are we already at the point where people don't consider those things to be wargear?
Jesus christ.

>>96083181
Again it already existed for almost a decade, why complain now? Have you never read the belicosa potentis omnissiah page?

>>96083145
>>96083160
falax rampagers are just worse veteran assault squads (assuming rampagers get jumppacks in the legacies).
Amazing.

>>96083191
i like the name Gnostarch

>>96083112
HOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRIBBLY misconstrued information and situations with almost all of those accounts.
First of all Both Betrayal and burning were out pre brexit which was before GW had higher taxes imposed upon the resin material they were using to print the product which made it way easier to get, they also had a much smaller range meaning they could print them a hell of a lot faster. Second of all HH was not nearly as big back then as it is now as at the time it was a high specialized game with almost all access coming from FW content and recasters were not as common place.
So those 2 examples are high skewed

As for AoD, i dont know what world you live in because it absolutely sold out in lots of places.

>>96083263
Well the saturnine box did sell out where I live.

>>96083245
>almost a decade
Actually scratch that, we're in 2025. 11 years.

>>96083263
Wow that's a lot of cope, the s o y all caps opener is a perfect accent

>As for AoD, i dont know what world you live in because it absolutely sold out in lots of places.
He says for a product that was available on Amazon at 15% below MSRP with free 2 day delivery until two weeks ago

>HH didn't sell as much back then, so it wasn't a flop!
>But HH selling more now than it did then, that means it's a flop!
This is the level of cope the tourists are on now

>>96083263
AoD never went out of stock

>>96083274
And im sure there are going to be small shops in which it does, i have no doubt there will be locations that it will sell out, but overall its not moving at the speed at which AoD 2.0 was moving.

Because here is some things to consider. When AoD first dropped, HH was not nearly as popular as it is now, more people play hh now then ever before, so the fact that saturnine is NOT selling out, is a bigger indication now then the orignal AoD not selling out. Because HH had growth of popularity and consumers but despite that growth its not being reflected in sales of saturnine.

>>96083286
>its cope
Sure it is, what ever you say anon, lets all pretend that Satunine not selling out is anything but an indication that its doing bad. What ever you say buddy.

>>96083286
>HH didn't sell as much back then, so it wasn't a flop!
>But HH selling more now than it did then, that means it's a flop!

NTA, but that's a useless argument. The Marvels made twice what Saw did, and the former is a massive flop while the latter is one of the most successful horror films ever.

Money made is not a measure of success. Profit is. And if the costs went up more than the sales did, then it's less of a success.

>>96083224
they are literally not wargear anymore, so yes.
Also jumppack and termie unit versions in legacies is already a precedent in 2.0, so its very likely.

>>96083320
>They did it for 4% of legacies last time
>They'll do it for 25-50% of legacies this time
My biggest regret is knowing all the copers won't be forced to apologies when Legacies is shit.

Do GW stores usually have different stock from buying online? I need some rhinos but everywhere I look they are sold out

>>96083355
GW stores don't sell HH besides the AOD box and the new releases.

>>96082232
do we have the rules for jump pack command squads?

>>96083326
Well some of us aren't coping, we're waiting to see how badly GW rapes us with Legacies. Maybe we just get a JBL instead of a Kevin Nash.

Do we know how well normal astartes heads fit on a saturnine yet? I want to use warp talon heads on mine

>>96083366
jesus christ man

>>96083403
Looks like they should.

Things didn't look great for a heavily outnumbered Iron Warriors force as they ran into an enemy force of Fists and militia, as both went to investigate a mysterious blood portal.

>>96083326
Anyone expecting lots of wargear options to return are dreaming, but it seems extremely likely there will be various jump pack and terminator options for some units. For the various consuls? Maybe not as certain, but definitely for the various legion specific units.

>>96083428
As the militia/Fists moved forward and through the portal, though, the ground started to rumble. The back lines of militia swiftly found themselves in trouble, with a wave of blue dressed marines appearing behind them. Attacked from the rear they started to die and panic spread amongst the troops, despite some success against the unexpected vehicles.

>>96083451
mfw drop pod and drill lists are now illegal

GW pls.

>>96083247
They get Impact+Str, so they have 'something', but in the terminator slot, Im not sure if they fulfill a role (although the Meteor Hammers look sick)

>>96082178
>90% of cybertheurgic powers are now "Your dudes get +1 movement and they fucking kill themselves"
>Singe-digit AP2 ranged weapons
>Most of our old AP2 melee weapons are now AP3 or AP4
>Tech thralls are now 10ppm and have literally not changed at all other than T3 to T5 (which is big, but more than 3x point increase big?)
>Thallax lost Jump-Shoot-Jump
>I reiterate, almost every cybertheurgy power is "Give your dudes 1 of these 3 extremely minor standard non-stacking buffs, and then you hit yourself", while becoming far harder to cast

Fuck me. I was thinking we got away scott free when I saw the cool as shit detachment/subfaction rules. Then it turns out there're no fun units to TAKE in those detachments/subfactions

>>96083451
It quickly became a battle to hold the gate. With most of the militia in the way fallen or gone through, the space marines of the Imperial Fists turned, racing against the treacherous Alpha Legion.
Unfortunately for the Fists, 4 seekers made it to the gate, throwing their Krak grenades against it. A remaining siege tyrant fired a missile, shaking the foundations, but even this wasn't enough to topple the structure. Seeing no choice, requiring one remaining, lone lernaean terminator to push up, a final ditch effort with his power axe rending stone from weakened stone, toppling it, despite the casualties taken.

>>96083374
also am I right in thinking that you can unlock 3 command squads with your praetor and then you can have 3 command squads running around the board not attached to a character? Whack

>>96083466
is impact a charge bonus thing? I can't find the rule

>>96083374
See>>96082780

>>96083451
>it ain't me stars playing

>>96083459
Don't worry, the master of steel rain and master of ascent will fix it in a Journal

>>96083494
Yeah, +1 to the indicated stat in 1st turn of the charge, so Rampagers get Str, I think some EC get Inittth8s

>>96083509
>Inittth8s
r u ok

>>96083466
>but in the terminator slot
Terminator slot is a lot easier to access than actual veterans

Did Thallax use their jet pack abillities and are now mere jumppack ... sorry 'antigrav' infantry ? Do we know what Aegis of Pain i supposed to do ?

Sorry I might have missed it, did someone have the humble rhino page?

>>96083478
Being able to make any unit +1W/T with cybertheurgy makes the 10 ppm thralls way more palatable, as having 40 respawning T6 2W zombies for a grand total of 400 points is pretty wild

>>96083513
That was the captcha Oops

>>96083516
Kinda; easier in the Loyalist WE rite, but not the Traitor, oddly enough.

>>96083520
Sorry, I meant loose their jetpacks. Typing on the move

bros...?

>>96083609
Sell a kidney marines

>>96083609
Wow the NZD is shit these days

anyone have rules for saturnine termies?

>>96083687
didn't GW post on Warhammer community?

>>96083723
yes they did thank you

Why did they have to word shooting so fucking weirdly?

"Fire group"? Why?

Warlord Detachments can be taken without needing a command right? The other two additional are explicitly freebies, but this one is not. But it seems to be if you take 3k? I am struggling to get to 3k without spamming logistics. I dont want to take naked Centurions, thats boring af.

>>96083636
its not even the dollar, GW just marks up hard for aus, then added extra fuck you for nz.

>>96083833
Only auxiliary detachments and apex detachments need a command to take, you can just take additional detachments with as long as you can fit their requirements

>>96083636
it isn't the currency. GW charges 40% extra for USD, canadollars, ausdollars and newzeadollars purely on a whim. There's zero relation to the currency exchange rates. If the american dollar is strong, GW prices are still bullshit. If the american dollar is weak, GW prices are still bullshit. They don't peg it to exchange at all.

>>96083791
Look at the shooting rules. The whole way its written (or frankly, all the rules) is just god awful to actually read.

>>96083844
Welp, time for 10 spartans at 4k

>>96083636
Nah, it's not currency.
Same box is £52.50. Converts to $118 kiwi bucks.
$85 freedom dollars, which is $142 kiwi bucks.
$145 dollarydoos, which is $160 kiwi bucks.

>>96083886
>>96083869
Maybe it has to do with loading it on a ship that has to go to the exact opposite side of the world

>>96083895
Anon I can order GW products from overseas, ship them to nz at my expense and stil pay less than nz GW prices. Its not the shipping costs.

Anyone have links to the 2.0 campiagn books?
I've got the core books but I want to read the lore.

>>96083903
Because it's a race to the bottom, some reseller making a $1 profit to middle man plastic slop doesn't make a scale operation

I can't find the page with apoth rules, but I know it was posted in the last few days. Anyone got it?

I'm trying to figure out what prime options can be used on an apoth, for the WE detatchment, since they are the only permitted choice.

I went to bed, to have my daily allotment of screams and nightmares, just as the Mechanicum leaks were posted.

How'd we come out? What's the good, the bad, and the ugly?

>>96083895
Tactical squads are 145AUD (160NZD) so they get to pay an extra $10 because they didn't join Australia 100 years ago

>>96083916
There's also an entire aux detachment that's 6 apothecaries

>>96083921
Mechanicum melee is gutted
Mechanicum shooting is still stronk
Everything is cheaper, and you can have multiple Paragons of Metal (it's just a prime slot)
Cybertheurgy makes some units really strong, like thralls

>>96081691
You bigot, deathshroud used to be able to take any terminator armour

>>96083912
Anon its not some conspiracy, all the 3rd party stores sell GW product at more or less the exact same margin, which is whats contractually permitted by GW, and this is still much cheaper than it is in certain countries.

GW just see the opportunity to increase profit margins, so they take it. It's not like they're the only company that do this, its just very clear in GW's case since it's specifically their product.

>>96083921
>All your HQs retained all their options, but their base wargear is now just frag grenades
>thallax can go full special weapons
>many other automate lost options
>thralls are tougher and more expensive

>>96083925
Good

>>96083791
they have to make it seem like its not exactly the same as every other edition of every warhammer game

>>96083927
thanks anon.
Ok, so having a fucking prime apothecary does nothing since they are invalid for all of them except combat veterans, but they don't have the sergeant rule to benefit from it anyway.

I mean, you can do 1 logistic benefit, but fuck knows what the other is meant to be used for.

>>96083942
Then why isn't some Hong Kong based firm importing bulk orders at UK prices and shipping them out for cheap to the rest of Oceania
There's nothing GW could do about it

Huuuuuuh. Master Sergeant upgrade seems way more appealing now that I connected the dots.

I'm really wondering if I should grab one box of tactical bodies to replace my power fist + plasma pistol sergeants I have from AoD and just make them regular bolter lads.

>>96083964
Because its not gonna be worth their time?
If you do that you're either doing it illegally, or you're having to pay import taxes and instantly lose your margin. On top of that you wouldn't be able to get it from GW directly because this is the exact kind of behavior they don't want, and why their contracts are structured the way they are, so you'd be bulk buying from another reseller, further reducing profit margins.

There is a big difference between me ordering a box of dudes from an Aus store, vs a business trying to import tens of thousands of dollars of models.

>>96083982
Wow thanks for describing exactly why Aus prices are higher beyond "They're evil"

>Vexilla costs 10 points on the tactical squad datasheet
>But then the tactical squad datasheet says up to two legionaries can have an item from the legion equipment
>The vexilla is one of them
So does everything on the equipment list cost 10?

>>96083993
anon, what the fuck are you smoking?
I can factually, as in I have literally done this, order warhammer from australian stores, send it to NZ, and get it cheaper than buying it from a store in NZ. This is not some theoretical.

>>96084000
Nevermind I'm retard.

>>96083895
Incorrect, you ignorant fuckboy.
Water travel is incredibly cheap, it's just slow.
1200 x 233 x 240 cm - 67.1 million cm3 inside a 40' shipping container, a combat patrol box takes up 1500 cm3. That's 45,000 combat patrol boxes in a shipping container for about $10,000. Or 22 cents per box. Not $40 extra for shipping.

>>96083993
He didn't explain anything, he's just too stupid to understand how boats work or how the economy works. And you're such a gullible retard you believed him without a single fact or number.

>>96084002
So you profit from guys illegally sidestepping import duties and taxes, great
>>96084008
Your fellow kiwi already said it: Import duties from two of the most duty heavy, protectionist nations on the planet

>>96083993
You're misunderstanding, the prices are high because that's what GW has calculated as the maximum profit for the region (aka "They're evil"), that guy just explained why arbitrage to get to lower prices isn't happening.

>>96084014
Oceanics ruin 40k/30k threads like Poles ruin fantasy threads, getting them to fist fight each other is a God given duty

>>96084021
I think you're just a coward not willing to do smuggle plastic crack like a neckbeard Tony Montana

>>96084016
Genuinely what are you talking about, and why are you defending GW so hard?
Import/export tax has a threshold, a threshold I am not exceeding in either Aus or NZ.

However if I was trying to do it commercially than yes, that would obvious be different.

Please get th e GW cock out of your ass

>>96084023
Are you implying poles don't think this thread as well, or any thread they touch? Eastern Europeans are just slav Indians with more internet access

>>96084028
I'm not in that region, I'm American.

>>96084016
There's no import duty on toys, Australia produces nothing but shiny rocks and NZ produces even less

>>96084041
No, but they're asleep

>>96083636
It's what we call the Antipodes tax. But being a kiwifag, it's still far cheaper to buy from even Australia and I think not paying MSRP goes without saying. I see that GW is trying to charge $620 NZD on their website for Saturnine, but I could just pay Gap Games or The Combat Company like $380 AUD (~$420 NZD) to pay far less.

Being said, I've found it interesting that we're somewhat paying less than Americans for fast food, after hearing about all that complaining and asking a few burgers about it. Granted, it did get discernibly pricier here as well, cost of living is still outrageous, and nobody should be eating that shit on the regular or using the Big Mac index as gospel.

>>96084030
>>96084051
>Yeah GW is evil for upcharging
>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST SELL THE PRODUCT YOURSELF FOR CHEAPER, THAT'S ILLEGAL FOR A THOUSAND BILLION REASONS THAT SOMEHOW DONT APPLY TO GW
Sheep hooves wrote these posts

>>96084058
Fast food ingredients are usually from local producers, mcdonalds aren't paying fuck loads to import beef when Australia has cows for example

>>96084058
>I've found it interesting that we're somewhat paying less than Americans for fast food, after hearing about all that complaining and asking a few burgers about it.
It's a regional and company thing. McDonalds has gotten really expensive in a lot of metro areas and has seen a marked reduction in sales because of it. Meanwhile, local fast food chains like Dick's in Seattle are making money hand over fist because they still sell decent (for fast food) burgers for $2.65-$5 USD a pop

>>96084064
>someone points out nzd price of new HH product
>Some schizo nerd starts freaking out about how these are actually fair prices outside of GW's control
>gets called out and moves goalposts to actually GW is allowed to regionally fuck people however much they want

kek

>>96083964
GW factories don't just have a drive-thru window where you pull up and say "uhhhhhhh I'd like 30,000 combat patrols put em in the back". They don't do bulk distribution with mystery companies. GW already doesn't have trouble moving their popular products, they're not looking for an unproven international mystery company with no contract to replace their already-existing sales networks.

>>96084064
literally nobody said GW can't charge any price they want. We explained to a 50 IQ manchild baby that the high price was specifically EXACTLY THAT and not his imaginary boogeyman of water travel being expensive (it isn't - which is why people buy garbage from china around the world) and his boogeyman of "magical fees" has been disproven already (and non-GW products from britain are used all the time which aren't 40% markup, it's only GW that does the price gouging)
So yeah, just go play in traffic, retard.

>>96081565 (OP)
>TQ
going to play Macca's rules

>>96084070
>Fast food ingredients are usually from local producers, mcdonalds aren't paying fuck loads to import beef when Australia has cows for example
That's entirely false. China was the #1 user of American pork world-wide. Countries import food all the time from any distance.

>>96084084
>>96084081
You keep flip flopping between "It's just so easy to get AUD/US prices on goods, haha" and "Omg GW is so evil for preventing anyone from selling them at those costs"
Two contradictory statements written like a wool sweater worn by someone who has never seen a northern star in their continued exile parole

>>96084107
it's easy to get british prices on NON-GW goods, mentally challenged RETARD who has trouble READING WORDS.

>>96084023
Seeing how eagerly they take the bait, can't blame you

>>96084109
>GW goods are magical and impossible to get on the 2nd hand market, except when they are which is effortless and easy
Choose a struggle

>>96084101
maccy D's in nz and aus both specifically say all over their packaging that they use local beef from (insert local source of beef here).
Presumably they would also use local veggies since I'd be pretty surprised if they could import lettuce from somewhere else cheaper than getting it locally.

>>96084107
You are genuinely fucked in the head and don't know how to read my guy. I said neither of these things, I just said its possible to get GW products from aus into nz cheaper than buying it locally in nz, to prove your retarded points wrong.

>>96084088
>the first half of my order came out too early
>guess it’s time to chop my balls off and nail them to the roof of my car

>>96084118
you're so retarded it's impossible to even decipher what you think you are saying with this gibberish. KYS

>>96084119
Crucify your bleeding heart somewhere else, nobody cares. You get fleeced by GW because you're collectively too stupid to have any other outcome

>>96084127
ebin

>>96083964
BECAUSE

AS YOU FUCKING WELL KNOW YOU CUNT

EVERYTHING THAT GETS SHIPPED TO AUSNZ ATTRACTS EITHER A 25% TARIFF (AUS) OR A 15% TARIFF (NZ) WHICH IS A TAX YOU THE CONSUMER MUST PAY ON IMPORTED GOODS IN ADDITION TO THE COST OF SHIPPING SHIT FROM ENGLAND WHEN THE FUCKING YEMENI ARE SHOOTING RPGS AT EVERY FILIPINO FACE THEY SEE AND THE LONG WAY AROUND AVOIDING THEM IS A LONG FUCKING WAY AROUND

YOU'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS FOR THE PAST CUNTING DECADE IF YOU ACTUALLY CARE THEN ELECT SOMEONE WHO'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LITTLE PLASTIC MANS TAX YOU FUCKWIT

>>96082434
A tactical suicide for the benefit of the dork gods anon.

>>96083450
There has to be, if there is not HH 3.0 is dead. hh 3.0 lives and breaths on HQ options for a shit ton of peoples armies.

I dunno how Ahriman managed to become a really powerful potent and also a really excellent psyker hunter. Him having Hatred (Psykers) is the funniest shit.

>>96084124
could be fun

>>96083062
3 hours later, zero additional copies of 30k sold

>>96083450
>you'll get your units back, just carry a 10 lb rulebook, a 10lb astartes book, and these 5 paid DLC journal books you waited 2 years for with you to every match!

>>96083062
Are....are you bragging that in 7 hours they sold 2 copies of the next edition of the game in a box with brand new models and rules? If you are, this is not the brag you think it is.

>>96084194
Ya dreaming, anon.
Its genuinely not going to happen. If they had entries for the exact same unit but with just more options, than why split it out at all?

They will do the bare minimum to technically support old stuff, which is 'rampager frother squad' tier shit they did last edition, which is just the same thing but with jetpack/termie armour/maybe bikes as appropriate.

>>96084213
To add to this whats fucking wild, is not even scalpers are buying this crap.

>>96084200
Even if the edition wasn't complete shit, all of the new models in the box are ugly and have no reason to exist. Only a walrus tier person would simp for ugly egginators.

>>96084213
it was sarcastic, and now it's 2 boxes sold in TEN hours

>>96083167
i am 100% sure that inductii are going to be prime upgrades or special rules from a detachment. I can see them making 2.0 inductii ilegal.

>>96084213
You are retarded

>>96084217
Oh i agree with you, its not happening. THey unironically killed HH. Our group is already saying fuck 3rd we know a few people are going to play it still but the thing is, all the key players in the group are basically saying "Nah, this aint it." and i was around when we did the same thing in 8th ed when we dipped, the entire group basically fell part until they all eventually went back to the group that formed during 9th ed competitive play.

Its over before it even started. Garage hammer chads will win again.

>>96084230
to be fair anon, he said it was sarcasm here. >>96084226
Sarcasm is a bit hard to read outta context in text format.
But yes i am retarded

>>96084218
half the meagre sales are probably scalpers who weren't told this box is getting infinite reprints. The second that the Wave2 of Saturnine boxes hits, every scalper is going to dump their boxes back on sale and the price will crater from $268 down to <$200

Army: Dark Angels
Allegiance: Dark Angels
2450 points

-Primary Detachment (635)
Praetor with terranic greatsword and bolter = 135
[PRIME] Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of battle
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter =95
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (430)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (430)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (430)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (430)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Officer Cadre Detachment (95)
[PRIME] Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of battle

>>96084236
Everyone I talk to in NZ is either saying they will stick with 2e and houserule new shit in, or give 3e a go and just ignore all the retarded wargear removals... and go back to 2e if its still shit.

>>96084245
god that would be boring and uninteractive to play with or play against. Just walk onto circles and roll meaningless dice with zero decisions made the entire game. I wouldn't even play that person I'd just go get lunch.

>>96084258
Concession accepted

>>96084225
>The models
Mk2: They are OK, but the issue is they are that stupid shitty mono pose bullcrap so 4/10

The New Dread: Another dread in a game were we really did not fuckig need another dread, we already have 4 valid dread chassis for all legions, box, cunt, dorito, and levi, now another stupid retardedly big dread to fill a roll no one asked for. 5/10

New disintigrator gun: Cool bit of archeo tec, to bad they are just what plasma guns should have been and plasma got nerfed to prop "NEW SLOP" up as being the new good thing. 3/10

Terminators: These things are cool i guess, but my issue is that the gun arms look fucking stupid, if they would have made it so you could actually see the fist holding the weapon, it would be wwaaaay better. But because of that they look kinda stupid. This is only popular because the beat counters at GW only browse reddit and see that because everyone on there is jerking off about muh saturnine armor, means the community as a whole wants it, which they dont really care. so eh, 5/10

Terminator Preator: actually looks good with melee options, all i can say 6/10

Gun platform: The only thing tha looks in place for the setting, unironically the highest rated thing in the box, to bad it will be shit, 7/10

>>96084244
>The second that the Wave2 of Saturnine boxes hits, every scalper is going to dump their boxes back on sale and the price will crater from $268 down to <$200
oh boy i cant wait for all 10 of them to hit ebay lol.
>>96084245
>3.0 list
Anon you missed the memo, HHG is a 2.0 thread, you are looking for /40kg/ search it on the catalog board.
>>96084249
we are looking to do this, there are some things from 3.0 that we think look good and we wanna try, like the vehicles and psyker rules look better in 3.0. I might try a system where we use 2.0 as a base, but port in the vehicle rules, but not increase HP and charge the armor bane rule to the 3.0 one and see how it works.

>>96084245
anon, if you ACTUALLY fielded almost 200 marines in a 2500pt game, that'd be pretty funny.

Awful to play for both players, but funny.

>>96084209
Why are you carrying all that shit?
Just print out the parts you need for the rules you're using.

>>96084245
Leave it to dark angels player to find a way to play an Ork Green Tide list in 30k lol.

am I retarded or is everybody else talking about the IF rules wrong?

this is a correct reading, isn't it?
>10 man las-cannon squad
+1 to hit
>4 man las-cannon squad
no hit bonus
>10 bolter bros
+1 to hit
>1 auto-cannon chad
+1 to hit

>>96084244
delulu

>>96084225
I do like the eggs, I don't like the Mk2 though which is basically most of the box so I shan't be getting it.

>>96084294
you are retarded if that's the question. "that have the BOLT or AUTO trait"
Lascannon does not have BOLT or AUTO trait.

>>96084305
but it says

>that include more than 5 dice OR have the bolt/auto trait

>>96084294
if I need to make it simpler, FIRE GROUP means "a pile of dice from the same type of weapon and same stats"

So if you shoot 5 lascannons and 5 bolters at an enemy squad, you have 2 fire groups. One is a lascannon fire group, one is a bolter fire group.

>>96084311
no, it says DiceOrAttacks AND that have the bolt/auto trait. It's a very simple rule, it's just GW AI rules writing does a very bad job with wordings.

>>96084268
>Mk2: They are OK, but the issue is they are that stupid shitty mono pose bullcrap so 4/10
>The New Dread: Another dread in a game were we really did not fuckig need another dread, we already have 4 valid dread chassis for all legions, box, cunt, dorito, and levi, now another stupid retardedly big dread to fill a roll no one asked for. 5/10
>New disintigrator gun: Cool bit of archeo tec, to bad they are just what plasma guns should have been and plasma got nerfed to prop "NEW SLOP" up as being the new good thing. 3/10
>Terminators: These things are cool i guess, but my issue is that the gun arms look fucking stupid, if they would have made it so you could actually see the fist holding the weapon, it would be wwaaaay better. But because of that they look kinda stupid. This is only popular because the beat counters at GW only browse reddit and see that because everyone on there is jerking off about muh saturnine armor, means the community as a whole wants it, which they dont really care. so eh, 5/10
>Terminator Preator: actually looks good with melee options, all i can say 6/10
>Gun platform: The only thing tha looks in place for the setting, unironically the highest rated thing in the box, to bad it will be shit, 7/10
>>>
> Anonymous 07/13/25(Sun)23:12:25 No.96084284▶

I've never been big on mk2 but them losing the one thing that made them standout just because gw sucks at making model moulds is funny and makes the models bad imo.

The new dread is ugly and shouldve just been leviathan weapons options. Lorewise it fulfills the exact same role as a leviathan and it is a detriment to both lore and game imo to add a new one. It would harm no one to just give the levi back his justly deserved 4++.

The gun platform is just a better sicaran because the default sicaran still sucks lol. Also the designers were too lazy to just give the deredeo back his pavaise so they gave it to a dumb turret no one askedfor.

>>96084311
re-read that, and the bold text clearly indicates the intention

>>96084294
>>96084311
>text says AND
>erm ackshually it's OR"
Pardo moment

>>96084286
>Why are you carrying all that shit?
You dishonor The Warmaster by skipping physical exertion.

First arcane journal has been released. "Revisit one of the Heresys most iconic battles through fresh perspectives, while adding three brand-new units for your Legiones Astartes to unleash on the battlefield." You pay $25 to get 3 space marine units they removed from the main codex. You can't make this shit up.

>>96081880
Is the IW as completely useless as it sounds?

>>96084343
Carrying 3000pts of models is more than enough exertion.

>>96084367
No, status effects look to be very strong this edition, with many putting a -2 on your already shitty 7 or 8 ld/cool, so ignoring those mods will help a lot.

Against some armies though it will do fuck all but aylmao

I will buy into HH the moment they have plastic bikes. I'll whale if saturine also get bikes.

>>96084367
Most modifiers are only -1 and Squads usually test on 8 stat. So it changes you from failing 28% of the time to failing 17% of the time.
That's a more useful effect than Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Sons of Horus and Word Bearers.
About middle of the pack.

I'm going to interrupt /hhg/ crying about 3.0 for a minute to ask about how to weather large metal surfaces. Mainly for iron warrior tanks. I find that seraphim sepia is pretty good for dreadnoughts and anything smaller than it but when I use it for tanks it leaves ugly streaks.

>>96084410
Your 1 attack no melee weapons bikes that can only take twin linked bolters or plasma.

>>96084422
it would have taken you less time to type 'how to weather tanks' on youtube.

>>96084422
Oil washes, you can easily remove the excess from large panels.
Just use them in a well-ventilated area.

>>96084364
>You pay $25 to get 3 space marine units they removed from the main codex.
Actually they're all new to 3.0. Which makes things worse from a certain perspective since it means OC donut steels are more likely than cut options returning.

>>96084410
Just use 40k bikes
>b-but mk7
Swap out the torso for mk2-6, use different shoulder pads, backpack, and head. Heresy-accurate.

>>96084428
are those numbers good? I've never played a wargame before.

>>96084438
I dont like 40k bikes.

>>96084441
No, they're terrible. Regular bikes might as well not exist in 2e.

2.0 rules, is the venator just a 250 point 1-turn distraction?
It just feels so dodgy for how well it survives.

>>96084456
The venator is a dedicated Anti Tank vehicle in an edition where tanks suck. I hope this answers your question, it should be better in 3e.

Anon it's not even a distraction, it's not reinforced so a single pen will disable it for the next turn or worse completely disable it if it gets immobilized or if you didn't put lascannons on it like a retard and it gets weapon destroyed

>>96084422
>>96084433
coming originally from gunpla to minis and learning about tanks and anime gk bullshit along the way it is kind of amusing sometimes to me that we just forget there are entire other universes of plamo that revolve around like one technique or type of model that it turns out just fundamentally does not compute to the guy next door, we're all kind of fools

>>96084422
If you wanna go into the real nitty gritty look up night shift models on youtube, he does really intricate WW2 models but also did an imperial fist tank just to try applying advanced techniques to a warhammer kit

>>96084441
Don’t worry anon, no one else here has either

>>96084293
That was quite literally one of our RoW. We're not finding a way, it is intentional.
The terranic greatswords on every sergeant is new, though.

>>96084422
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwI80Bv9BGk

If you want to learn about weathering tanks, checkout scale armor modeling hobby channels. I personally really like "Nightshift" (link above).

Scale armor hobbyists tend to do things very differently from the warhammer / mini painting hobby (paint types, mediums, techniques etc.). Very interesting stuff.

>>96084491
based nightshift enjoyer

How feasible/fun would a traitor mechanicum army with a detachment of Sons of Horus allies be?

>>96084511
>volkites wrong colour

0/10

>>96084383
>status effects look to be very strong this edition
Pftt. Last edition, Pinning was literally several of those traits combined, and the IW was the Pinning Legion. Now they lost Shrapnel Bolters, and Tyrants swapped their Pinning rockets for Breaching 6, and halved their krak missiles.
That on top of expensive Tyrants being as good as regular terminators on melee, the main mission for terminators. Well, a bit worse: no hammers.
I wouldn't call that winning.

>>96084524
Gold magnetic coils make more sense than copper considering it's a better conductor and the Imperium's massive resources and the mechanicum's got no purpose for its decorative purpose.
But you aren't ready for that conversation

>>96084562
Based material engineer anon

>>96084526
The change from 2.0 to 3 isn't really relevant since everyone has changed so much, but their new trait is generally pretty useful.

>>96084562
>mechanicum's got no purpose for its decorative purpose.
Proper Mechanicum would make function be the work of art.
Also, a gold element wouldn't show it, because it would be inside a protective case since gold, free of corrosion as it may be, is relatively bland for a metal. You know this.

>>96084438
Sonic the Edgehog with Jump Pack had more effort put into him than 10 consuls put together in the libers,

>>96084589
Yes and tank barrels should be painted the same color of the turret but metal is shown bare because it makes for more interesting painting.

>>96084491
>"let's build a tank the armor modeller way""
god damn that looks good. Familair with the oil pin washes and stuff, but never done his mud thing, very nice. The welding noodles also seem quite simple for certain big highlight regions.

>>96084578
True. The way I hear it, it is the DA trait but better? Wew
>>96084504
>terranic greatswords on every sergeant is new, though.
Oof yuck. Can't blame GW for wanting you to use their Prime advantages and the Duel Mini game they wrote, but Terranics are even better than before. It is so bad :(

>>96083921
We made it out surprisingly well. Rules no longer discourage taking weapons on tech priests, thrall's are potentially good, thallax and myrmidons are toned down but looks fun, interesting list building mechanics. Will have to experiment with the new cyberthuergy to get a sense of overall balance.

>>96084338
repardo

>>96084293
Stormwing was literally just that. You could even have Tacticals in your Elites slots. And all of them could have a Centurion attached.

>>96084456
Every batreps I see tanks seem to do well, nothing oppressive but no 1in6 explodes every pen. Tanks might be just fine. So AT couldn't hurt. Especially with dreads and automata being popular.

>>96084608
>metal is shown bare because it makes for more interesting painting.
This is because the eavy metal team is dumb, soulless, and do not love the machine spirit.

>>96084630
Kinda ironic that the 'spam tacticals with centurions' strat passed through to 3.0 as 'spam tacticals (or rhinos??) with sergeants using centurion weapons and WS'

I'm less interested in building a competitive force than a fluffy one, what sources detail Astartes force organization in an applicable way?
Particular how the legions differentiate themselves.
Ideally something like Battletech's RAT.

>>96084651
fuck forgot the second half.
Kinda ironic, considering 3.0 is the 'we want you to field loads of centurions' edition.

>>96084653
Every legion was 100,000+ marines, everything was used by every legion to varying degrees, so there's really no unfluffy force comp. Hell, even world eaters had massed librarians on at least one occasion (before they got massacred by dad, after trying to save dad)

>>96084653
All the original black books from 1.0. The books from 2.0 aren't bad. Do NOT fall for the le meme legions only did 1 thing at the exclusion of all others. Anything is fluffy because you can't fields enough physical models at any reasonable point value to be out of tolerance. Not every list needs to a 1:1% ratio of the legion as a whole. That said you can obviously skew into what you like and/or certain legions preferences as you go. If you want to lift a fighting force directly from the books go for it.

>>96084671
>>96084696
Yes, I was just looking for more a flavor of general ratios than anything else.
Got any links to the 1.0 books? I'm also looking for art references.

>>96082714
Aww I missed the Volley fire convo. So, Setup distance cannot be used to move backwards, and failing the charge Stuns you anyways? Fuck charges are so baaaaad!
It really is the Shooting edition...again?!

>>96084653
black books have what you want

Do Vindicator Siege Tanks look worth running in 3.0? The Siege Breaker's detachment requires either those or Arquitors in two of its slots.

>>96084793
Uhhhh, excuse me little chud but we are boycotting 3.0. We are only allowed to talk about 2.0 or circle herey.

>>96084806
Shut up, frog poster.

>>96081565 (OP)
>TQ
Finish painting and assembling my pile of shame, check what my local scene is doing and then go from there. Honestly a lot of my stuff didn’t get hit by the liber changes too badly and since I’m gonna be running solar aux I really like what I’ve seen so far for them (hermes command squad fuck yeah), so whether it’s 2.0 or 3.0 I think I’ll be happy.

>>96084793
they look slightly better than last edition. Still better at shooting tanks than anything else though

>>96084806
Fuck off, frogfaggot.

how are rapiers looking this edition? any standout weapon choices

So, you have about 4 reactions per turn, right? 1 base, +1 for playing a 1500-3000 pts game, +1 from bringing a Praetor (some MotL), +1 from bringing the auto take New Command & Control Squad TM
Any I missed?

>>96084824
Alright.
I'm trying to decide if I take that detachment and take two Vindicators to go along with my two batteries of two rapiers each, or make the rapier batteries even bigger.

>>96082141
And so the new level of cope begins.

>>96084864
I am so glad some artillery gunners hiding behind a building can activate the 2 neurons my HSS collectively share to think about shooting back at the guys trying to kill them.

Reaction points are so gay.

>>96084613
Imo the flame cuts are the highlight of his techniques, I tried it on a redemptor I had as a one off project and it came out very nicely. Since 30k kits are roughly 1/70 scale, the flame cut effect will look fairly rough like a shoddy cut job rushed by a factory under intense wartime quotas, perfect for 30k

>>96084245
Why not use Despoilers?

>>96084864
+1 reaction for being a onions faced ultramarine player

I've been thinking more about why this edition rankles so much and what I keep coming back to is that it just feels schizo. Not just in terms of how arbitrary whether a unit gets good/bad rules or gets options or none seems to be, but at the very core of the "mission statement" for the edition. The terrain rules, the new ways of handling charging, the increased emphasis on short-ranged firefighting, the heavy use of status effects, the vehicle rules - everything about these says
>We want to make a simulationist wargame
but then they curtail the length of games, curtail the ability to maneuver and deploy, put in *really* gamey abstractions like the nu40K objective scoring system, and dump in essentially a whole new phase of the game with a Herohammer philosophy.

It legitimately feel like it was developed by two completely different teams either both working on different parts in total isolation and then trying to cram them together in the end, or else one taking over halfway through and pivoting hard but not being able to actually finish enacting their vision before the suits shoved it out the door.

>>96083459
>>96083506

Each with a specific model that you aren't allowed to kitbash or proxy if you want to play in a James store or any tournaments.

>>96084897
Ultramarines are tempting me, but not because of the 1 free STRATAGEM point per turn.
It's the advanced reaction to have 2 of your squads realize they can BOTH shoot the enemy at the same time instead of waiting 1v1 like it's a batman fight.

Does anyone still have a link to the centurion pages? or just the generic units in general.

>>96084854
even better than before

>>96084893
Because that's the World Eaters army, duh

>>96084874
think about the loadouts for each. If you are going laser destroyer on the vindicators then you might want to go anti infantry rapiers. Tbh the demolisher cannon really only seems good for targeting large multi wound models as you'll likely not hit much else with the small blast (especially if your opponent is smart and spreads their units out) but if your up against mechanicum theyll be a hard hitter. Rapiers with quad mortars can dump saves on infantry and the anti tank weapons they have are pretty good but only 2 likely wont get the job done unless both squads have the same loadout to fire at the same target. (Im assuming this editons is gunna be different where you cant oneshot tanks as easy with laser weapons)

>Paragon of Battle Vigilator can have BS8
I don't actually know how useful that is but snapshotting on 3+'s is just very funny

Wait, did the actual saturnine squad entry not leak? I have the praetor.
>inb4 warcom
Don't trust their accuracy

>>96084854
grav cannon 3" blast that immobilizes vehicles on 5-6 to hit, if it successfully wounds infantry (without caring about armor) then they are immobilized unless they pass a cool with -2 penalty (utterly ruining melee squads) at 36" reach (and 40" threat for DG)

Laser destroyer is 36" 2 shots S10 AP2 Dmg2, Dmg3 if stationary, armourbane so glances penetrate. A cheap squad of them is a terror to any sucker thinking of running 1000 points of terminator spartan landraider leaving the stuff that was inside useless.

Quad launcher is incredibly fucking gay if your group doesnt ban all Medium and Heavy Cover. Just put em touching it in heavy or 3" deep in it for medium and they're forever invisible and cannot be seen (and cannot even be charged for heavy) 60" frags with 2 shots if stationary, S5, 5" blast and can indirect barrage pie plates with only downside being 2d6" scatter. Within 24" they can barrage scatter 1d6" phosphor ones with 3" blast S5 AP3 D1 and Poison3+, Panic3, Breaching5+ so if you ever try to go onto that corner they're an annoyance for marines and terminators too.

At only 60 points per gun and squads of 4, they're pretty busted. 2 pie plates is somewhat forgettable but 8-16 pie plates center of your army could get annoying fast, and unable to approach or phosphor eliminates expensive terminators who can't shoot back and can never ever melee them in heavy cover. The cheap grav cannons also totally wreck opponent's movement losing them objectives and making overpriced melee squads never get to melee before game ends in 4 turns. Putting it on deepstrikers who come in turn 2, can't charge, get pinned, can do nothing turn 3-4 is extra cruel. And 65 points each with the landraider/dreadnought murdering laser destroyers is meta shooting. 260 points should basically vaporize a landraider with the 8 overpowered shots each doing dmg 3 if stationary (or moving 4" for deathguard)

GW gave them the pay-to-win sell-all-the-boxes statline

>>96085029
Bro that's more Ballistic Skill than BS7 Alpharius lmao
>I don't actually know how useful that is
I think it causes Critical Shots on a 4+. That's +1D plus an automatic wound, and it counts as having rolled a 6 to wound. I don't remember the rules for nemesis sniper rifles

>>96084864
mechanicum can just give their automata free reactions

>>96085029
>Vigilator can have BS8
crits at 4+ to hit that autowounds and count as 6+ to wound? also isn't vigilator BS6?

>>96085090
> I don't remember the rules for nemesis sniper rifles
Vigilator gets his own special nemesis rifle.
>it counts as having rolled a 6 to wound
Okay THAT I forgot about. I knew critical hits were auto wounds but it counting as a natural 6 means it's breaching, which means ap2 d3 on a 4+ when standing still...Spicy.
>>96085098
>also isn't vigilator BS6?
Unless pic related is lying to me it seems like it's naturally 7, which is honestly bonkers

>>96085106
>it's naturally 7, which is honestly bonkers
insane, so with BS8 on 4+ to hit he has a pretty good chance at killing 3w cenutions from 48'

besides the white scar character and the jump pack index cent are there any other units that manipulate reserves?

>>96085137
Units with the command vox relay give you +1 to your reserve roll, so the Master of Signals and Command Rhino

From all of these questions about 3.0, it seems like even /hhg/ will have a decent amount of players playing it?

>>96085166
Pay pigs can't help themselves

>>96085166
I think it's mostly new people showing interest in heresy since not a lot of people in /hhg/ ACTUALLY played games during 2.0.

>>96085073
so if I'm reading it right, TSons can give precision 5+ to a unit of quads or laser destroyers, then go hunting characters

>>96081668
As someone who enjoys the pre-Heresy Word Bearer colour scheme, I was only able to find one non-cringe way of doing. Style your army as one of the Word Bearer companies gathering on the surface of Calth during the betrayal.

>>96085166
No, people just like to brainstorm. Hell, I just calculated the statistics on rapiers vs HSS performance per point against predators and landraiders, but I won't be playing a single game of HH3.0

What does the Wildfire rule even do?

>>96085166
2am update,at 8pm they had 14 copies, 6 hours later they still have 14 copies, it's literally a dead game.

Warcom is 54 articles deep trying to make HH3 viral and it flopped. The second they stop talking about it, the game will instantly be forgotten about like necromunda.

>>96085220
Give us the math nerd

>>96085217
There’s examples in the black books of WB vehicles pulled out of deep storage for the shadow crusade still painted in grey colors with pro-emperor engravings and small notes of crimson quickly slapped on to make sure everyone knows they’re still the evil ass rape demon niggas

Im still waiting to see people sell their colleciton on facebook

>>96085277
People who are complaining have no models to sell.

>>96085277
Ok

>>96084268
MKII and terminator "problems" are fixed by not being a faggot and actually 3D printing them.

>>96085220
That might be autism, friend.

>>96085293
But that means not whining so you can’t later come in and show off your 3d printed mini

>away for the weekend
>come back
>nothing has changed
This is shaping up to be one of the GW releases of all time.

>>96085281
Yeah I don’t get why people are whining this hard about a new edition. This isn’t 40k, stop bitching and play 1.0 like a large part of the community that already exists

>>96085277
Had some posting of that last thread.

>>96085306
Then you're a retard

Is it true they removed destroyer squads because they don't want to offend jewish people because the nazis used, biological, chemical and nuclear weapons on the jews during the holocaust?

Extremely low quality post.

>>96085338
They kept rad and phosphex in tho, bad bait

>>96085295
if that's autism I don't want to be normal

So whats the primarch fight club rankings looking like this edition?

>>96085371
My dad > me > emperor > primarchs

>>96085372
my dad > you dad
the rest is accurate tho

>>96085376
>my dad > you dad
>you dad
My son. You are still on 4chan. I had higher hopes for you in life.

>>96085303
Nothing ever happens
Paypiggies will paypiggy

>>96081896
>DA: LD cant drop below 6, reduce fear(X) to fear(1)
This seems very worthless since cool and willpower are not affected by this rule. The legion is still very sensible to rules like pinning ...
The fear thing is nice but loosing the wings for a trait this boring is shit.
Not saying the legion is shit: we got super sarge everywhere. But damn it looks like I am going to play without a tactica.

>>96085371
Duels or squad brawls ?

As a 40k refugee these complaints are so funny. It could be MUCH worse.

>>96085432
>Nothing ever happens
That's a lie. Things constantly get worse.

>>96085464
duels, i feel like squad brawls are pointless to rank until units like huscarls and morlocks are in

>>96085465
This isn't the smart post you think it is

>>96085489
so he's right at home then

>>96085465
As a 40gay refugee you should know that it WILL be much worse in 4.0, if people stop complaining. Due to the leaks and the objectively very meh box contents, HH has the slight chance of a course correction. People just need to not buy the box before massive sales hit in winter.

>>96085494
Well you got me there, it scooby do be do be like that

>>96085502
Oh don't get me wrong, do complain about it. Just seems funny (as in amusing) that a way smaller change is getting everyone in an uproar when 40k got shat all over and nobody fucking cared, they even repeat GW's own bullshit and untrue justifications.

Anyone got the rules for recon squads? And nemesis bolters

>>96085502
People just need to DL PDFs and print their models.

It's unironically the only way to stop 3 years cycles and DLC rules designed at milking people for more than 300 € to "play" an asymmetric game on a 3year cycle.

If they get -30% revenue you can bet every fucking model of this game will be updated asap and rules free and unfucked.

As long as people still blindly buy this shit, the Shareholders will want no course correction at all.

>>96085508
Most HH players are autist with a portion of faggots
40k players are faggots with a portion of autists

>>96085511
Just a small issue here, most stls fucking suck.

Terminators

>>96085543
And my Siegebreaker. Stripped a Venator from my previous Word Bearers project, and stripping some more Cataphractii from some Imperial fists I did in first ed. Also fixed the broken Knight base that Perty stands on, so I'll start work on him soon.

>>96085530
This
They're all doing their own thing
The only few good ones are ass to get

>>96085547
>The only few good ones
Pic unrelated, I assume

>>96085530
>>96085547
>>96085563

if you don't like the proxies from DMS, LoggyK, etc and don't want to shell out money to get a 3D artist do you thing, you can just get the Exact 1:1 scans of GW models.

On top of that you can just right click and resize to get them 20% bigger and unfuck teh GW scale.

Better material, better scale, exact same model.

>>96085543
>>96085546
Always a pleasure to see your stuff.

>>96085563
(you)

>>96085575
I'd rather do that yeah
>commission 3d artist
Could you even do that? I mean a custom 40k design? Legally of course, because of course you CAN do that

>>96085579
Cheers anon. I just noticed I accidentally got some silver on the pteruges, so I'm going to have to autism that out.

I'm not really sure, can we peak multiple Logistical Benefit or Master Sergeant Prime Slot in the same army but in other detachment (Like one master Sergeant in the primary, and another one in the apex detachment!) ? Or is it only one per army ? I'm really not sure if I can or cannot

>>96085589
What do you mean legally ?

You can do whatever you want "IP" literally does not exists until you actually sell the things to other people. STL are basically drawings, It's basically Fan Art.

Then you can print them. In any case, just tell anyone that you did it yourself.
There isn't any way shape or form having someone draw something for you is illegal.

Also, most of them are so starved by GW now that you can probably design a whole chapter for less than 2 starter box.

>>96085634
I am taking note, dully appreciated

Been a moron and missed the generic consuls.

I assume a legion overseer grants you a detachment of solar aux but what do you get to choose?

>>96085563
Tourist spotted

you DID keep your 2.0 books right anons?

>>96085731
GW already came and took mine

>>96085699
They don't. Since you can take as many allied detachments as you want and they don't need to have and HQ, it's normt really needed.
They can just join SA units without lowering their stats.

>>96081565 (OP)
>TQ
Can't say at this point, the way they fucked it all up so badly threw a wrench in any plans I had, probably just going to wait to see how things turn out, no point army building for a game no one plays.

>>96085602
The restriction is once per detachment, not army

>>96085575
Any keywords for searching servers with HH scans?
I've seen a ton of 40k and fantasy ones but for some reason HH scan elude me

>>96085731
Why would you buy the books when the rules were online before the edition even hit the shelves?

>>96082306
Such a fucking chore getting rid of all the ugly ass aquilas

>>96085759
>Any keywords for searching servers with HH scans?

not him, but just don't be a retard and actually ask on these 40K servers. people will answer you.

There's more than 10K servers, plenty to find and choose from.

>>96082343
The torso doesn't swivel, I don't know why the fucked themselves half way through

>>96085806
>ask on these 40K servers
But I don't speak russian :(

How many Vigilators could you take in a 2000 point list?

>>96082858
I sucked when I first started painting. What I recommend is maybe get some minis you don't care about (I used my old metal orks). And go to town on them using different youtube tutorials. If you don't like how it's turned out, drop em in a jar of isopropyl to strip em, give em a scrub with a toothbrush, and when you're satisfied with your level, do it to the minis you give a crap about

>>96083541
You would also take 40 wounds at the end phase as part of the cyberthurgic feedback.

ok guys, we have all the pages with LA units except for
-praetorian com squad with jump packs
-dreadnought drop pods
-saber
-thunderhawk
-SW caster of runes spells Runecasting page

we also maybe need LA USRs expect for page1 (that page starts with Aflame).

>>96085833
3 in a Crusade Detachment, then 18 in 9 Allied Detachments.

>>96085121
>>96085106
Or even Praetors if it stays stationary. It’s a probability of slightly over 20% (+4 to hit, +2 to wound, the ++4 for the invul). Base damage 1. Heavy so +1, +1 of the CR. Damage 3 + the free wound = ded praetor

>>96085908
This leaves 5pts to give your warlord Paragon of Battle and a meltabomb so you can deal with tanks.

>>96085890
Back to your slop thread, AI Faggot.

>>96084294
So adding characters that aren't pissboys removes it?

>>96085920
It's not mine, but I saved it. Also, fuck off, retard. Got any pages?

>>96082598
Apparently never.
The goonhammer review didn't paint them very well though.

>>96085950
>>96081589

>>96082621
>>96082607
My only complaint for mech is removing the ulator.

>>96085960
Mine are the new cortex controller rule and automata losing the programmed behaviour rules. I imagine that's how they play in 40k. I never asked for that.

>>96085833
>How many Vigilators could you take in a 2000 point list?

Why would you take Vigilators when you can take perfectly fine Exoduses?
You can stick 11 of them for 1815 points

>>96085957
What's wrong with you, Anon? Is AI making your art degree useless, or is it about to take your job or something?

>>96085977
Nta but this isn't the slam dunk you think it is. Especially here of all places.

>>96085915
>Damage 3+ the free wound = ded praetor
huh?
>damage 1D
>stationary +1D
>rending +1D
where did you get 1 more damage?

>>96085970
I was a little disaapointed till I realised it was irrelevant and I'll just spam paragon of metal

>>96085986
NTA but
the crit from having high BS

>>96085981
Anon is just way too sensitive about it for some reason. Got any pages we need?

>>96085977
Lol.
Lmao.

>>96085992
Because there is a reasonable assumption that the reason the rules are fucked is because they were parsed through an ai. No, I am also looking for more pages.

>>96085990
by rending i meant Crit from high bs. fuck me i guess. its 3 damage not 4

>>96085511
>Wilph STL
Do you have any?
I'm trying to get the ones I'm missing now that he's been nuked.

>Zephon, Aster Crohne, Alexis Polux don't have Master of the Legion
Okay, fair enough. They're captains, or centurions, and not of the 1st company, so they wouldn't have it.
>Evander Garrius, Camba Diaz, Saul Tarvitz are all captains and all have Master of the Legion
Okay now I'm not sure how this is applied.

>>96086012
I guess Tarvitz has it because he is known for leading the Isstvan 3 loyalists. Consider that this is his only battle during the heresy and if it was written by the old FW team we would have a pre-heresy variant that didn't have that.

>>96086018
Kinda like this.

>>96083103
>Fucking retards don't even have an editor worth a fucking damn to check all this shit
I send out technical notes and memos that are checked more in detail than whatever the fuck GW is doing. Take into account these notes end up going to a bunch of Romanians and Poles whose English sucks ass, but management doesn't tolerate mistakes in these matters. Embarrassing that a wargaming company is half assing it this bad.

>>96086045
Heh

>>96086045
Retard

>>96086012
I guess it's because the others had operational command in a theater at some point, not just ranking command in their company. Although Polux would probably count in that case. Is it a big deal if these rules are allotted to special characters on a semi-arbitrary basis so long as there is no ambiguity in terms of what they do in the game?

>>96085833
15 of them
5 on your main force with the junior officer cadre and half tour points in allied detachments

>>96086008
Check last thread

>>96086012
>Camba Diaz
It's spelled Cumbag Dickass

anyone have siege of cthonia pdf as megas are down

Went back several days to psy-op edition but coming up empty handed, so I'm going to need to grovel for the WE Rampagers sheet or at the very least the point costs and battlefield role.
thanks.

>>96086101
Sidenote, I looked back through the 2.0 Libers, and almost every image is either primarily the unit it's on the page of, or overlap from the unit on the other page.

The images in the 3.0 Libers seem vaguely related at best, with the most relevant units (if any) in the background. Such an odd choice.

>>96086095
Hahahh. I guess you didn't survive to cross the line.

Pussy.

>>96082141
The age of darkness boxes set sold out within an hour in the UK on launch day

Cope elsewhere

>>96085977
NTA but modern AI research goes one of two ways.

First way and IMO the more likely, LLMs are a technological dead end afterall. when the fossils finally realise they're never going to deliver the necessary ROI to recoup the obscene amount of money already spent on them they stop investing, venture capital dries up, half the mag 7 valuation craters all at once, that fucks the economy and starts another recession.

When that happens it won't be tech bros paying back investors, it'll be the American people (again), we get to live through another once in a lifetime financial disaster and life goes on.

The second less likely path is that LLMs and associated research turn out to be the Holy grail after all. The moment that happens every office job on earth evaporates. Mass unemployment, crime, civil unrest and starvation follow. To combat this government's reach for algorithmic solutions and reach out to ghouls like Peter Thiel who use LLMs to minority report people.

After THAT happens you can pretty much pick your favourite dystopian science fiction premise and assume thats were we end up. The specifics of the shape of the horrible future don't really matter at that point.

Is that a reason to hate retards like you generating content with one of the many slop machines? Probably not honestly. You might as well get what fun you can out of it before it gets paywalled when the desperation starts to set in for the retards who built and run it.

Still can't blame the other guy for hating it tho, Every time I see these slop machines churn I remember that we're due another recession.

Also I'm more or less certain AI use in GW was widespread before 3.0 even happened, I've certainly read a lot of lore text recently that seems either AI generated or excessively stupid. Not necessarily the content but certainly the delivery.

>>96086096
https://litter.catbox.moe/gip639.pdf

>>96086150
thanks lad

>>96085511
>If they get -30% revenue you can bet every fucking model of this game will be updated asap and rules free and unfucked
Printing is literally why they fucked the rules in the first place.

>>96086128
>it'll be the American people (again), we get to live through another once in a lifetime financial disaster
This is already happening, but the reason is different. They know they can't sustain the economy and the way of life Western countries used to have. Since 2014, when the dollar is no longer connected to Saudi oil, all they do now is borrow more money from banks to create more debt, trying to buy all the real stuff for themselves and their crony friends while they still can.

>>96086120
Lol. Lmao

>>96085511
Why would I download the PDFs? I have the 2.0 books, and I don't want the 3.0 ones.

As for models, I will buy the ones I like. GW keeps squatting those though, so that's going to be declining as we go too.

>>96086113
I am truly unworthy. Thank you

>Melta bonus only works against vehicles
>Not dreadnoughts, automata, or anything else.
>ONLY vehicles
Turns out a meltagun can in fact not one shot a deredeo when in half range, DESPITE WHAT WAS WARCOM POSTED

>>96086189
thats fucking stupid

>>96086189
in 2.0 the Haywire rule does nothing to Armigers, RAW

>>96086189
Sit down and enjoy your Cataphractii™ Praetor anon.

>>96086189
So wait, that also means everyone bitching about two shotting primarch was wrong too, huh?

>>96086189
B-but 4chin assured me meltaguns would be oneshotting primarchs literally any time they hit the table

How did nobody, not even the librarians or navigators or astropaths, not only of his legion but of others as well, ever figure out that Sevatar was an untrained psyker for all the hundred years or however long he was in the legion?

>>96086196
This is probably why Dreadnought isn't a type in 3.0, but Walker is.
Tempted to backport it now, it's not a bad change.

>>96086189
This is for the best in the end because meltas will be getting between 2-3x more successful wound rolls into dreadnoughts than vehicles

>>96086087
Shit maybe I missed something because I'm the one who posted some of Wilph's STLs last thread.

>>96086189
Warcom edited their post on the dormitory shortly after making it to mention a predator instead. Presumably because someone noticed.

>>96086207
Sevatar barely ever interacted with psykers outside of his legion and no night lord librarian would bother telling him.

>>96086189
Another mechanic which benefits the mechanicum, lol.

>>96086189
yeah we need more universal special rules from libers, we still don't have a page with Overload

>>96086189
What do Melta bombs do? Can they take out dreads?

>>96086113
These guys being terminator slot is nice. Are other legion elits also in that slot?

>>96086221
How was I supposed to know that?

>>96086232
Their chief librarian had been in the legion since before Konrad was discovered on Nostramo and somehow he had no idea about this until Sevatar psychically knocked him on his ass during an argument.

>>96086241
Overload is not in the libers.

Somebody should make the missing meme for the Overload special rule.

>>96086247
nta but it's a melee weapon
>Can they take out dreads?
s9 ap2 d4 so maybe

>>96086259
Is there anything stopping you melta bombing a primarch to death in 3rd?

Eternal warrior aside that is.

>>96086257
>Overload is not in the libers.
kek. They knew they fucked up and put it in the WarCom article.

>>96086265
the Detonation rule
in hh2 it meant you could only use it agains dreads, vehicles and the like, and I'm going to assume (out of hubris) that is works similarly in hh3

What tanks do you expect to be announced at the upcoming event

>>96086272
The only thing I expect is an attempt at damage control.

>>96086265
>>96086247
Nop. Can only be used against vehicles and immovile objects
Prette sure anything with access to meltabombs also has access to power fists with multiple attacks tho

>>96086250
Phalanx Warders, Angel's Tears and Reavers are.
Unique terminators seem to be split fairly evenly between shock assault and Elite.

>>96086259
>sword and tank have equal chance of piercing armour
>axe has higher
Always felt a little weird.

>>96086272
I'd guess we either see the Mk II Assaults, Mk III Breachers, or if they're feeling spicy, the nu-cataphractii

>>96086272
I expect some custodes and the new cata termies

>>96086189
Dreadnoughts are vehicles now, they are walkers

>>96086265
so far i only remember sergeants being able to take it
>>96086271
>Detonation rule
yeah, detonation only works agains vehicles or buildungs, terrain with wounds and agains units wit speed characteristics od 0 and -
the more you know i guess

>>96086293
Walkers aren't vehicles.
(In terms of unit type.)

>Standing still imptoves the AP value of an Explosive round
Wut.

>>96086302
>>96086293
Sentinels tanking melta ftw!

recon marine rules plz

>>96086189
For the best, dreads have already been over nerfed.

>>96086317

>>96086251
Damn it anon, I believed in you!

>>96086311
>why does the shitty gamey edition have shitty gamey mechanics

>>96086324
what's support unit (2) do? And nemesis rifles get nerfed? Hope so

>>96086323
dreads should have a Venerable option to make them ws/bs5 again

>>96086189
They didn't playtest SHIT

>>96086344
Score X less for holding objectives

>>96086344
Support unit is anti line. A unit subtracts the value of support unit from any VP they score from objectives.

>>96086324
Such fucking bullshit that they can't even take chainswords anymore.

>>96086323
What are the nerfs, exactly? Just the change to WS/BS, wounds, and a wider array of multi-wound weapons?

>>96086361
Wait for the legacies bro. I know I said that about the Libers, but I mean it this time bro.

>>96086370
>>Wait for the Journal Tacticas bro. I know I said that about the Legacies, but I mean it this time bro.

>>96086316
I'll be pretty happy if the Atheon is good in the new edition, Love sentinels.

>>96086344
>support (2)
not more than 2 VP on objectives if model with this rule is in a squad
>nemesis rifles get nerfed?
kinda it 48' now and S5 only if stationary but it has precision stike 4+, D1 and vets can't take it anymore

>>96086360
>. A unit subtracts the value of support unit from any VP they score from objectives.
it's a bit different anon. its not more than

>>96086364
>WS/BS
>Hard to take more than two without fucking your army up
>Multi damage weapons
>Can runaway now.

>>96086272
New cataphractii at best

given that the decimator is only WS4 and its melee is only AP3 breaching 5+
...what guns should I give it?
claw+soulburner petard? wish it could still take the storm laser or conversion beamer

>>96086376
>>Yeah, I know your legion won't get their journal until the edition's almost over bro, but it'll be worth it for both the games you use it for.

>>96086379
Everything you said there was a nerf, except D1 which is the same as before.

Any Solar leaks? Are my axe boys ok?

>>96086323
There almost isn't a single AP2 weapon in the entire liber mechanicum other than meltas.

I can't wait for ANOTHER edition of being fucked in the ass by dreadnoughts.

>>96086415
spam vultarax