OPR, Star Wars Legion, Shatterpoint, Warmachine, all games with better rules and miniatures. Plus it's so easy to 3D print, How is GW not dead yet with its anti-consumerist practices?

>>96093600 (OP)
Same reason why WotC still exists. Generations of kids, now adults, growing up thinking that anything but the big one is a generic knockoff.

When you’re still aiming to play their games, you’re still advertising for them.

>>96093600 (OP)
Critical mass. You can always find players for their major games. It's the same reason launch time is crucial for PvP vidya: if the game doesn't very quickly reach a sufficient player count, it's dead in the water.

>For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

>>96093600 (OP)
you don't even need to 3D print anything
if all you wanted to do was play the game you could use pennies as the figures and move them around sheets of paper with scribbled terrain

Warhammer has always been for "rich" people
you don't want to just drive a car, it's gotta be that Corvette. if you 3D print the car, then it's not the status symbol of owning a real Corvette. even if you copied it exactly, you'd "know" it's fake

>>96093600 (OP)
3d printers are too fiddly for the masses and GW injection moulding has gotten very good. yes, resin 3d printers have incredible resolution now. they also require toxic chemicals and a fume exhaust. it will never graduate beyond hobbyist/enthusiast until it's way, way simpler.

>>96093600 (OP)
There's actually quite a strong culture of fear around 3d printers in GW communities. You'll probably see them in this thread sooner or later, screaming about how resin printers will give you cancer or how it's too expensive. They don't and they aren't, but the idea that the superior, safer, cheaper option is to be a paypig is validating for the kind of person who sometimes wonders if they should take GW's cock out of their mouth and stop paying for the privilege of being price gouged with shitty, low-quality injection molded shit with 5,000% markup.

>>96093600 (OP)
All of those Star Wars games have had production issues dating back to Covid because all of their product was manufactured in China. Legion has been completely out of production for the last year, maybe two. They've only just now (within the last few months) started getting things under control and getting new product shipped out.

Warmachine was in a similar boat for many years, as well. Production issues, rules issues, staff issues, etc. Privateer was recently purchased and a new edition is on it's way but things take time.

Notice how there's a running theme here? Instability scares people, OP.

>>96093600 (OP)
You dramatically overestimate the ability of people to operate even very simple devices, as well as their willingness to try in the first place.

Many people are extremely averse to even thinking about doing something that involves learning how to use something they're unfamiliar with that they just will not do it even if it has a huge benefit to them. Other people are just too fucking stupid.

>>96093600 (OP)
All of those games just suck. 40k sucks too, but it was there first.
3d printing is awesome, but the majority of people are still scared by it. I believe it reached it's peak already, and the market for STL files is completely overloaded already.

>>96093793
It has nothing to do with GW. Maybe it might help to come out of that bubble once in a while. You will find this type of fear mongering in scale modelling groups as well as with other games. Some people are just super easily afraid by "new thing involving chemicals". It's stupid, but absolutely not limited to GW players.

>>96093793
If they're to be afraid of anything it should be cheap photogrammetry scanners like OpenScan. The better composer gets the less cleanup and work involved in just sharing entire GW lines.

>>96093600 (OP)
>OPR
Doesn't sell physical models in shops near me.
>Star Wars
About as expensive as Warhammer, also I'm sick of the franchise, also being a licensed game it is most likely on a timer for deletion.
>Warmachine
Went out of print. Also, I don't even like mechs when they're sci-fi.
>3D-printing
If I wanted to configure hardware as a hobby I'd rather start a side business.

I just want to buy boxes of models, and paint them like the pictures I thought was cool when I was twelve.

>>96093600 (OP)

OPR has what, 30 000 paid subscribers? GW had an operating profit of 98.1 million pounds in the first half of the year. People love to rag on GW writers not understanding scale, but a lot of embittered wargamers don't really seem to understand the scale at which GW operates in compared to other miniature companies.
Not defending GWs rules and fluff, just pointing out that they are massively successful when it comes to being a business.

There's a strong effect of "do you want coke, or anything else?".
You either play the same game as anyone else, or you pick between a million different games jostling for a distant second place, any of which could shut down, cut the line, announce they're sunsetting the game, raise prices, etc and die anyway.

And I can't play opr anymore because the vehicle rules fucking suck/don't exist, and that's half the fun of a modern or scifi game for me. You need monster or vehicle rules.

>>96094036

The advanced rules for OPR have degrading statlines and facings for vehicles+critical damage.

>>96093986
You are right, and regardless of what I say now, OPR is tiny in comparison. But OPR sells STL files. They might have 30k subscribed members right now, but don't forget the direct sales of individual files on Mmf, and especially don't forget piracy. There are individual telegram groups with 50k members. And countless of smaller groups with still thousands of members, discord servers for filesharing, mega archives with all their files getting shared too. So OPR is way more widespread than the number of 30k subscribers suggests, but in the end they are limited by the market reach of printers.

>>96094039
They're not great. It's clearly not something the game is designed around supporting, the rules all feel like afterthoughts. Vehicles need a special amount of love and care to be fun in a wargame.
And the other problem is, if I wanted to play a game with a rulebook they want me to pay for that's now 30 pages long, I wouldn't be playing opr.

>>96094062

Yes, 3d printing is booming, but I believe the barrier to entry for the general public to 3d printing is higher than buying GW kits. There are probably dozens of people who offer 3d printing services in Poland, where I live. But most bigger cities have several shops that sell GW products. I should also add that the professional 3d printers have waiting times of up to a month for their products, the production capability of 3d printers is very small compared to hard plastic due to the nature of the technology. It can be a good asset for veteran hobbyists, but I do not see how it can compete directly with GW, that has a huge factory churning out their products. Maybe the situation will change in a few years, I do not know.

>>96094077
This. It's my biggest issue with bolt action. Vehicles are essentially playing a separate game until one side destroys the opponents tank(s) and then it becomes a mobile machine gun.

>>96094087
>entry for the general public to 3d printing is higher than buying GW kits.

Absolutely and there is no argument there. I have several printers myself and I could go on how it is quite easy etc. But if someone barely has time to build models and paint them, they often just want to deal with printers, even if it's in many cases almost plug and play. To some, the potential to save money is just not worth the time (or the expected time) investment.
It's kinda the same with airbrushes and mini painting. I think nobody would argue that it's not an amazing tool to have in your hobby arsenal, but obviously you can't force people to use it if they are fine without it.

>>96094101

Yeah I buy STLs and then I ask someone else to print them for me, no space for a printer in my house (wouldn't also want to expose my son to resin fumes etc.)

Never used an airbrush, I've always thought it's something you use to paint big models with. So far I've been happy just to paint models the old-fashioned way and I've been content with the results.

>>96094119
And there is nothing wrong with this. But this is also why printing will always stay a "side"-hobby, similar to airbrushing is to minipainting. Some do it, but others don't. Brush manufacturers or regular paint won't die out just because an airbrush is an amazing and easy to use tool either.

A way bigger threat to GW in my opinion is affordable and high quality plastic miniatures. Not something like Star wars legions which is just as expensive, but maybe stuff like Archon. They have a couple sci-fi sets but seem to focus on generic fantasy with their deuslair campaigns and their target is D&D players. Whenever they decide that it's time to make proper sci fi stuff it could get interesting.
I'm aware of their StarCraft game that is in the works, but that is yet another "big IP" like Star wars. Generic stuff would be more interesting to me personally.

>>96094144

Archon studios does the current mantic games kits, it's a significant improvement over their old kits.

>>96093600 (OP)
>all games with better rules and miniatures
Yes, and?
It's like you were born yesterday

>>96094166
Yes, but that is hardly an achievement since mantic stuff is pretty meh for the most part.
I saw their "pirates" Kickstarter with that huge ass plastic ship. If they would come up with a similar campaign, with, let's say, "grim dark" but still generic vehicles in the same size and quality, and some miniatures of course that would be awesome.
I don't really care about StarCraft, but I am looking forward to the siege tank and all the other vehicles that game might include.

>>96093916
>about as expensive as warhammer
Except the standard game of Legion is 1000 points. Depending on the point of comparison, a playable Legion army is 3-8x less expensive than a 40k army

>>96094204
>models are lower quality and just as expensive
>but you can play with fewer of them
>when you can also play smaller games of 40k

>>96094204
Honestly, 40k paypigges are psychologically conditioned to overpay for everything. They can't even imagine playing something not from GW, even when the game system is way better.
>>96094219
>lower quality models
The old soft plastic maybe, but not the new hard plastic kits and rescuplts. The main difference is that Legion minis don't suffer from the detail creep that GW minis have.

>>96094231
They are boring looking star wars models instead. I haven't played 40k since 3rd edition, but I would never even think about going for Disney star wars slop instead.

>>96093600 (OP)
>>96093701
>>96093913
>>96094087


Remember. Total Boycott is the only way.

>>96094231
Instead they suffer from being cartoonish yidnesy slop
Why buy into that when I can get sick second hand 40k models far cheaper

>>96093600 (OP)
Star Wars genuinely shot itself in the foot to such an extent that Warhammer has more of a footprint in the gaming industry, which is the biggest gateway drug to Wargaming.

Overall, 40K has done very well by largely being a hobby of it's own. Nobody judges the stuff Game Workshop does by the standards of all wargaming, since if you compare it to even a middling producer of historical minis it's laughably poor. It helps that there is very little overlaps nowadays. People that play Warhammer play Warhammer, it's rare for people to play Warhammer and also Warmachine.

>>96094256
>Implying nu40k isn't cartoonish slop

>>96094300
>>96094256

>>96094300
>>96094332
please redeem the second line sarrr

>>96094284
>People that play Warhammer play Warhammer, it's rare for people to play Warhammer and also Warmachine.

These people certainly exist, but here in my (boomer) group, everyone who plays infinity or flames of war also has at least one Warhammer army at home too. We play 5th edition 40k (for some reason, this is what we settled upon) from time to time, but our focus these days is on other games. X-Wing was very big too, but they fucked it up so bad that nobody even wants to touch it again.

>>96094300
It is, but why would someone switch from one to the other?

>>96094514
I think most people in my group are the same way. But there are a few that really only play Warhammer, especially elsewhere.

> X-Wing was very big too, but they fucked it up so bad that nobody even wants to touch it again.
X-Wing and armada failing convinced me Star Wars is a genuinely cursed brand.

>>96093913
The ironic thing is that gw's move towards monopose minis and removal of customisation options is actually making scanning easier.

>>96094589
But only if you scan a full mini, and not the countless weirdly shaped bits.

It would be pretty funny if they eventually found out that 3D Printing resin does give you cancer. Only stupid people and youtubers would die, and everybody else would get to either laugh or not notice at all.

>>96094696
God, I hope this happens to that massive faggot Gamza

>>96094696
Would it change anything? People in this hobby are not known for their healthy lifestyle, they eat garbage, they drink garbage, they don't exercise, many are fat. All of this will increase the chance to run into various health issues at ages 50+, and cancer is one of them. It hardly matters if they add a few percentages to the likeliness by huffing a bit of printer fumes.

I have enough miniatures that I don't want a 3D printer to add even more onto the pile

>>96094770
Pretty fucked up when you notice tabletop gaming has been around long enough that many of the founders or various elements are starting to die but they're not dying in their 80's or 90's so much as they're dying in their late 60's.

>>96093600 (OP)
this is a very common question from newer players who don't really get how this business works. because from a player perspective, it seems like GW does everything wrong. they make shitty, overpriced games, treat their customers like crap, and support nothing. all these passionate little Indy publishers do the opposite. they fail, GW lives. the thing is you're not seeing it as a business.

The problem, one that every independent publisher runs in to, is that selling miniatures with a well crafted, balanced game is not sustainable. the nature of it is that players will make a big purchase right at the beginning, but after that they spend much less. if they're loving their army, they don't have much pressure to change or expand. so new mini companies get this huge burst of cash in the early years, but then they have an ever growing, demanding playerbase but sales keep dwindling.

The reason GWs model works so well is because it keeps people shopping. things are constantly breaking, changing, getting removed and added, so you can't just enjoy the army you have. you never leave that "new army" buying phase and settle in. sure, maybe you're discontent, but GWs got the answer in the next white dwarf.

>>96094932
>treat their customers like crap, and support nothing
GW is reknowned for excellent customer service, and they will replace entire kits if you get something broken or miscast, even if it doesn't actually affect the kit, and you don't have to send back your first box or need to do anything but provide a receipt.
They also provide their games the most support in the industry. There's no game on the market that can claim to get as much support as 40k or AoS does, both games get constant new kits and even entire new factions. Side games like Necromunda and BB also get attention, with frequent new kits or other updates.
I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but as far as global companies go, GW are pretty fucking excellent.

>>96093600 (OP)

I suppose stuff like the lore and hobby aspect keeps you thinking about the game when you're not playing it. The prepainted CMGs(Mage Knight, Monsterpocalypse, X-Wing) always seem insanely popular for 3-4 years and then take a nosedive.

I think GW also trained people to expect a pickup game scene. You show up to the LGS on a Saturday and there should be people playing your game. Whereas I think people used to play in clubs. I actually worry about the future of Necromunda type games where you play with a clique of friends given how neurotic and isolated Zoomers and Gen A are.

>>96094800

It does feel like every time I Google an older gamer I haven't seen for awhile it turns out he died years ago.

>>96094800
Time is ticking. It certainly does not feel like it, but I'm 40 next year myself. I know a couple gaming buddies from my youth who are near 70 now, and some obviously did not make it that far.
On a side note, getting hit by a stroke mid 50 or some other shit will ruin your (hobby)life just as well.

>>96093600 (OP)
They're being marginally smart by trying to sell the community as an experience, what with the paint competitions, events, etc. and mandating company models in store.
I expect they'll be around for a while. But the success of the Trench Crusade kickstarter says to me that there is a market out there for people who wouldn't mind letting go of the branch if they had another one to grab onto.

>>96094204
Did you not read the rest of my post where I explained that my hobby is primarily painting minis? I don't care how many points SW legions support or not, and the last GW game I played was Warcry.
Anyways, I'll compare with 40k. A box of ARF troopers with 7 infantry and a character costs around the same as a box of chaos marine legionnaires and a dark apostle (10 infantry a character and two sidekicks) at a local store. Hence my claim that SW models are basically as expensive as GW (where I am, OP didn't identify where he's posting from).

>>96093600 (OP)

Oh its time for This thread again. Let me polish the screen cap off hold on.

>>96096001

>>96095941

Trench crusade Kickstarter earned 3.3 million dollars. The net profit for GW in 2022-2023 was 134.7 million pounds.

>>96093912
>It has nothing to do with GW
For every war game and TTRPG player outside of GW's paypig pens, 3d printing is widely accepted and encouraged. It's absolutely a GW problem.

People are otherwise spooked by the price and technical expertise they believe it takes to use a 3d printer, and there is a bit of a learning curve, but even the lowest end, obsolete resin machines for under 100USD can still print minis at excellent quality with minimal effort.

>>96095586
fuck off, that's totally disingenuous. they don't support their games or communities in any way that matters. everything is fire and forget, meant to be bought compulsively, provide a short dopamine rush, and then move people on to the next new purchase. who gives a fuck if they replace broken parts? the number of armies sold last year that gets invalidated by next year's new edition will outnumber those costs by a factor of 100,000.

>>96093600 (OP)
If you 3D print anything for a bit you don't like 3D printing some bits, I could 3D print entire army with resin sure, but working with resin fucking sucks. I like resin parts, but not whole models, so despite owning three printers, I only print vehicles and terrain, models I buy in plastic or metal, often not from GW however

>>96096024
>>96095941
There certainly is a market for well made indie games. I haven't played trench crusade nor am i interested in it, but i would absolutely say that its successful so far. Will people talk about in 10 years? Thats the real question, isn't it? X-Wing was successful too, and now its deader than dead.
But generally speaking, a wargame does not need to make GWs amount of money per year to be considered successful. Games like Frostgrave or Mantics Halo are successful, even if they are nowhere near 40k in size.

>>96096121
>3d printing is widely accepted and encouraged.

Source? Your ass?
Read some facebook groups Anon. You will find the "resin is bad" and "i dont want to deal with printers" types even in pure 3d printing groups. They exist everywhere.

>People are otherwise spooked by the price and technical expertise they believe it takes to use a 3d printer, and there is a bit of a learning curve, but even the lowest end, obsolete resin machines for under 100USD can still print minis at excellent quality with minimal effort.

Yes, and again, those types of people exist everywhere. Its not a Warhammer-specific behaviour.

>>96096124
>they don't support their games
>the number of armies sold last year that gets invalidated by next year's new edition

Oh, there is a new edition next year? Didn't you just claim they dont support their games and let them die off? What is it? Support for games, or problemantic support and you cant keep the old rules forever? (protipp: you can. nothing gehts invalidated if you stick to your old rulebook).

>>96096483

Yeah, they can be successful in their own niche, but not be a competitor with GW. The company is just too massive and successful for any upstarts. What they can do is skim disgruntled veteran hobbyists (who probably already own multiple GW products) into their own sphere.

>>96096121
I agree with you on your first point. On adoption I disagree, the average wargamer is a fucking retard. Especially in the 40k community.

>>96093701
This thinking is actually a problem though. The game is the models, the game justifies the models. The whole thing is about the models. If the models didn't matter then it wouldn't be a miniature wargame - it would be an abstract chit game. The appeal to people is having the little guys and moving them around.

The problem is people are also fucking idiots with no impulse control or motivation to independantly develop and improve upon skills so they just purchase the little things and never do anything with them or paint them like shit and call it good enough then leave in 3 years on the edition cycle because the dopamine wore off.

The game fucking sucks, people just want the idea of the painted army - the game just justifies the purchases and parading the same unpainted pile of slop every month.

>>96093600 (OP)
Because 40kiddies' hobby isn't wargaming. Their hobby is Warhammer, or in many cases, just purchasing Warhammer products.

>>96094254
Where the fuck do people get Stls?! Ive been looking forever and I can never find info. And no I’m not a GW lawyer p, fuck them kikes.

>>96096684
Nice try James.

>>96096680
This

>>96096001
Mutant Chronicles: Dead, but comes back to life every ten years just to die again

>>96096684
From the internet Anon. Ever heard of it?

>>96093600 (OP)
It's being kept in the culture conciseness by meme culture. Zoomers seemingly never grow tired of making warhammer references and jokes in their discord servers. Also every time a new edition comes out culture warriors start fighting over if warhammer has finally gone "woke". Still I think the warhammer fad is slowly dying.

>>96096749
I'd go as far as to hazard a lot of Warhammer consumers aren't even aware of the wider wargaming hobby. They might know people play historicals and Star Wars games and whatnot, but they see it as somehow separate and different. GW absolutely encouraged this, considering they speak exclusively of the "Warhammer hobby."

>>96096121
>For every war game and TTRPG player outside of GW's paypig pens, 3d printing is widely accepted and encouraged. It's absolutely a GW problem.
Lmao you're not familiar with CGL, huh?

>>96096883
Yup, just like DnD players know nothing of the wider ttrpg hobby. At least they are playing the original source of the hobby, the warhammer consumer is just trapped in something that has lost its original soul long ago. Warhammer was once inspired by classic sci-fi and built off of historical wargaming mindsets. Those are gone and replaced by video game style garbage.

I don't even play Warhammer 40K anymore, such a faggy franchise now filled with a bunch of drooling boomer cretins that are too far gone in sunken cost fallacy to think about anything else. There are a lot of great Wargames out there like Artisan Guild's GUILDS, One Page Rules' AoF/GF, and Archvillain Games' BATTLERUNE, and most of them encourage you to shop for STLs at the many STL shops where you can get entire armies up and running with a fucking 3D printer.

>>96093600 (OP)
>it so easy to print

It takes little skill but it does take a quite a lot of time and more than average technical knowledge to get quality out of it. You also need a ventilated area which can be hurdle for anyone living in an apartment

>>96094204
Anon the fact that the game has less models isn't a pro, if I'm buying models my primary concern is the models not the game rules

>>96097838
None of these games is actually good tho.

>>96097923
Okay 40shitter "your-turn-my-turn 30 minute player turns have your army wiped out in the first turn"

>>96097853
It really doesn't take that much skill, especially when most STLs you can buy come pre-supported.

>>96097932
>doesn't like obscure games made as an alibi by sloppy 3d designers
>has to like 40k

Okay retard. How about you try some actual games, and not some slop from MMF?

>>96093701
>Warhammer is for rich people
Lmao go to any LGS and tell me that with a straight face

>>96094332
>ugly ass model for 60+ dollars
>doesn't even have a bottom
I hate this model so much it's unreal

>>96097838
what game are those ships from?

>>96098281
Its 52, not 60+. But still garbage

>>96098403
It is where I live but either way it's still pretty bad no matter the specific countries dollar strength

>>96098120
What other games are you playin?

>>96098324
Skies of Sordane

>>96093600 (OP)
Some people, some very stupid people, are actually affected by brand loyalty.

I like Warhammer's cartoony aesthetic. The bigger proportions on hands, weapons, n such, too.

The game sucks ass. But thankfully its less than 25% of the so-called hobby experience.

>>96093621
/thread

>>96098780
This but for Warmahordes. There is something about the 2000s fantasy aesthetic with the likes of Eberron, D&D 3,5, Warhammer Fantasy 7th and 8th, and Warcraft that just hits so fucking right and makes it the peak for me.

It's a shame that Warmahordes didn't have more exposure/popularity to have an impact on cultural media, so that more video games were made of the setting, maybe even a 2000s era MMO. Love the mixture of high magic tribalistic societies in the corners of the world with the Steampunk advancement of the civilized lands along with steampunk mechs. It's a shame really.

>>96093600 (OP)
>How is GW not dead
Cause of people like me who simply do not care how much it costs. I’ve bought about 500 dollars of warhammer for 10 years in a row. Pragmatically speaking, it’s just not that much. The people who think warhammer is expensive are the waacs who think they have to buy an entire fucking army in one go every time the meta shifts.

The other half of the story is their IP. They have so many cool factions and art. I like sci-fi, historical just don’t do it for me. GW can charge the price they want because nothing else even comes remotely close to them for competing in the same space. The only IP that I’m my opinion could come even remotely close is mass effect and there just isn’t a Mass Effect table top for some reason. Infinity for example is 6 identical looking human factions and then the covenant from halo. It’s like a appetizer next to the buffets that 40k is.

Remember that “wargaming” is not a hobby. Warhammer is a hobby. Bolt action is a hobby. Interest in one has no bearing on interest in the other. OPR has potential if they would abandon their notion of rules on one page and make it a real fucking game. But in the shadow of everything in it being the “we have warhammer at home” version I don’t think it will ever really get there. People will pretty much always just rather pirate warhammer and play the real thing than deal with a knockoff.

>>96093744
They are not, but finding a complete collection cohesive and matching designed stls is just an souls crushing impossible task. Ever go in 3dpg? No one ever posts sauce or shares anything it’s this awful secret society.

I do resin prints and i'm getting into openscan but not out of some GW-induced spite.
Aside from a few select few cool minis and the occasional game with people who prefer it they're not really a facotr for me.
If anything I want to cut down the costs of getting old school-styled minis like the now closed Otherwold and other niche producers out on the table in larger sizes than like five at a time without paying thousands of dollars, maybe get some 15mm and niche historicals in that I otherwise wouldn't get around to buying. (i.e. anything outside of Victix's Celts)

>>96099048
It's not hard you just go on telegram, join a bunch of stl groups and search for shit that interests you off myminifactory producers or gw lines.

>>96095998
Eh, I suppose. For me it's the opposite. While I like playing the game, I like the listbuilding, I like interacting with the community, I like coming up with color schemes and I like showing off and admiring my painted minis, I don't find painting itself to be too fun.

Needing to paint less minis is a positive, as that lets me get to the other parts of the hobby more quickly.

>>96099284
I'm glad we both found a way to have fun. Maybe that's what OP really needs too.

GW figured out in 2014 what most big vidya publishers figured out in 2020: you aren't competeting for people's money you're competing for their time.

The tabletop hobby is small. Every tick of customer retention matters. It's also a very time consuming hobby, and GW found itself as the biggest fish in the bucket that is TTWG. So what better way to capitalize on their market share than by monopolizing its time and attention?

This is when they began to roll out the 3 year edition cycles, turning their games into IP platforms, splitting core games into smaller releases to strangle-out competition while keeping TGers in the GW ecosystem. They intentionally roll out incomplete or busted rules as quickly as they can to create an evolving meta, which futher keeps players scrambling for new models and FOMO'd.

GW is a GaaS company, they use all the same tricks and in many ways are more predatory and insidious than their counterparts in the Games industry, and they have been rewarded handsomely for it with a playerbase addicted to their slop, bought into the monthly cycle, and so captured most have never so much as touched another game's minis.

>>96093600 (OP)
Have you considered that your premises are wrong?

>>96094932
And there's no guarantee of stability with other companies and rulesets; we've seen so many implode, go bankrupt, or never address the issues that came up because they are incapable of effectively playtesting (an order of magnitude less than GW, who is an order of magnitude less capable of playtesting than the big TCGs). Whereas GW can be played almost anywhere in Europe and NA.

>>96099048
Yeah, it's awful that they do not spoonfeed you..

>>96093600 (OP)
These days I rather buy GW stock than GW miniatures

>>96093600 (OP)
If Australia is anything to go by then despite every man and their dog having a 3D printer enough people still buy from GW that it's viable for them to expand (admittedly cheap to run) single man stores to regional cities. The fluff and aesthetics are enjoyed by a lot of people, there's a lot of normie appeal. GW are also everywhere and they have inertia as a result. Autists have a lot of brand loyalty, and we've all seen (and smelled) them; absolute fucking freaks can sit in a corner of their local store, stink the whole place out, and still get pick-up games. They're gonna love GW as a result.

>>96096749
Any Sons of Velmorn in there?

>>96097935
I'm talking more about hooking up a computer and using the software correctly than supports anon. Printer fags really overestimate the general population's ability to use computers.

>>96094254
>total boycott
>still engages with gw games and ecosystem.
Idiot. When you are still playing their shit games with pirated pdfs and knock off 3d prints you are still an advertising vector for them, total boycott means not buying and certainly not continuing to engage with the object of your ire.

>>96093701
It's not just the badge like your Corvette example, there's a quality aspect too. Something like a 911 is not just a car, it's worth the money if you love cars.
GW is similar as you said, nothing else compares.

>>96093600 (OP)
Sunk cost fallacy retards keeping it alive.
Games Workshop even double dips the retard chips by owning Citadel painting stuff that mouth breathers swear is the best shit ever to this day.

>>96093600 (OP)
>How does GW still exist?
Because of Space Marines, gw can't exist without them

>>96111410
I hate marinefags.
Their eternal paypiggy status allowed GW to continually enshittify their products. They even got them to rebuy their entire army in 8th edition.

>>96111469
>Popular thing bad.

>>96111373
That is the most fun thing about all the GW-hatred. Instead of ignoring them and focusing on actually good and enjoyable games, it seems GW still resides rent free in those people's heads.
Why not just play something nice and cozy like rangers of shadow deep, frost- or stargrave or any of the other games out there.

>>96099026
>Remember that “wargaming” is not a hobby.
Absolute freak statement. Self-contradictory. Pure doublethink. Not even /v/ shitposters are this wholly, shamelessly deranged.

>>96093600 (OP)
OP, this, in part, answers your question.

>>96093600 (OP)
>OPR, Star Wars Legion, Shatterpoint, Warmachine, all games with better rules and miniatures. Plus it's so easy to 3D print,

none of that is true, and even if it was, it still wouldn't matter.

>>96111626
yes

>>96111626
perfectly valid points actually. imperifags in general guzzle down every shitty decision

>>96111626
Normies have shit taste, so yes.

>>96100104
>GW is a GaaS company
That's pretty incisive really, with the constant churn and short shelf life of updates that's pretty much what they've turned themselves into

>>96096749
Anybody who's bought this much is very far from internalising the reality that they actually will die soon enough that there are real physical limitations on what they can do before then.

>>96098206
More correct to say people with a certain amount of disposable income. But its not too hard to have disposable income if you live at your parents house and don't exactly go out a lot.

There definitely are plenty of software engineer types too though.

>>96093600 (OP)
What's even crazier?
try
Try
TRY
Try finding a warhammer player who will play BattleFleet Gothic or Aeronautica Imperialis.
these fuckers
are so stuck on the one game
that adjacent games from the same company
won't even get touched by them!

Legio Imperialis is next in line...it's got players now because the paypigs with more soul
are still buying what GW is feeding them.
For now

in 5 years no one will play LegioImperialis

>>96133214
In fairness wargames by GW are usually fairly heavy investments to learn to a decent level.

>>96133214
battlefleet gothic has been gone for decades and 80% of the aeronautica imperialis sculpts havent been sold for years

>>96093600 (OP)
>How does GW still exist?
This picture will never not be relevant

>>96133214
You faggots let award winning game warcry die because of your 24/7 AoS dead woke game shitfest of whining. Fuck you.

>>96093600 (OP)
Privateer Press spent it's entire existence shooting itself in the dick.

>>96093600 (OP)
Normie:
>i'll buy what everyone else is playing
>no I just want to buy it without the hassle

>>96099048
Because James has a nasty habit of taking down the best stuff as soon as it gets popular.

>>96093617
>>96093648
>>96093701
great posts

>>96111693
Not sure you understood his point.

>>96111373
this
pirates aren't protestors, just parasites still in the ecosystem
the more attention goes to them, the less attention goes to their competitors, and thus the latter aren't going to magically start winning now because you've given them nothing

>>96093600 (OP)
Captured slop pig sunk cost audience. Same reason why Coke is the most popular drink in the world even though it tastes like acidic garbage. It was the first big one and it got all the retards attention.

>>96100104
quite interesting
I love /tgbiz/

>>96093600 (OP)
They captured the market because they were the only wargames company with a vertical monopoly, and then held onto the market due to network value.

All the early US wargames failed because they didn't make their own minis. They had to negotiate deals with Ral Partha or Iron Wind and put up with their sculptors to get anything made.

Privateer Press was the first US company to get success by making sure to release their models and rules in concert, but then they squandered their success having a cokehead for a CEO.

>>96143779
I think Battletech was choking out GW in the US in the 90s. It's no surprise that GW's explosive growth in the NA market came in the 2000s after FASA imploded, and the Battletech rights were carved up and in a weird limbo.

>>96143674
I can go into great detail if you like.