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It’s 3025, you are the captain of a merc company. Roll for your employer:
>2: ComStar
>3-4: Lyran Commonwealth
>5-6: Free Worlds League
>7-8: Capellan Confederation
>9: Federated Commonwealth
>10-11: Draconis Combine
>12: Periphery State

*Federated Suns

>>96119151 (OP)
>missing the chance for I AM JADE FALCON! edition

They even named the JumpJet attack that.

>>96119380
I just like how that CJF MechWarrior says I REFUSE

Rolled 2, 5 = 7 (2d6)

>>96119223

>>96119429
they’re prob good employers right

>>96119223
>fails best known for hiring mercs are relatively unlikely

>>96119223
This distribution is utter fucking shit anon.

>>96119789
I disagree. Seems pretty accurate to me.

What did you paint this week?

I have a Stalker 5M currently unpainted, who should I give it to?

>>96120437
Man, that is some CLEAN work. Nice job.

Reposting from last thread, the only new ones in this pile are the Sylphs, but I re-did the bases on these last week. I’m setting up for another print run this weekend for some more second-line mechs.

>>96120437
Terrain

Rolled 4, 6 = 10 (2d6)

>>96119223

>>96121272
Uh..... well I've got time to get clear before Terrible Teddy decides to take our heads.

"Just a novelty product guys!"

"We got some guys without tasks doing this, dont worry about"

I tried my hand on stippling and brush over today. Army painter effect color is a strange breed

In the unlikely event there was ever a Battletech movie, who would (You) say would be the best, or at least the most inoffensive, director? Personally, I think that Alvarez guy who did Alien Romulus wouldn't be terrible. It's practically a Battletech Periphery merc story already, with a scrappy, down on their luck crew in a gritty, decaying industrial sci-fi future looking for a big score and getting killed almost to a man.

>>96121589
Or someone like Henry Cavill who usually tries to keep whatever he's doing accurate to the source material.
Let's be honest though, it would either go to some no-name or some insanely high profile director, neither of which care even a little bit about the source material or being accurate to it.

>>96121501
>a company that doesn't pay its bills
>keeping somebody around who doesn't work

>>96121501
The fuck is c-scale?

>>96121589
>the most inoffensive
Why the fuck does this matter? You some kind of pansy bitch?

>>96121589
Dean Devlin currently has the movie rights. So yeah that's a thing.

>>96121683
100mm, like the big madcat they had with mercenaries kickstarter

>>96121589
Michael Bay would be perfect for making a movie operating on the 'rule of cool' the setting works off of.

What other mecha does /btg/ like?
I love Maschinen Krieger and Brigador, though VOTOMS have nice designs too. I like Patlabor a lot, but mostly for the story and themes, their mechs aren't that memorable.

>>96121881
Armored Core has similar vibes to Battletech, just a bit more grimdark and grounded.

>>96121881
I have become addicted to knock off Diaclone...

>>96120437
Good job man, tho if you did such an outstanding job on the Warhawk's canopy why didn't you do the same on the Beemer's lasers?

>>96121578
What effect were you trying to achieve? These look nice regardless.

I'm working on finishing the bases from my event day team.

>>96121881
I dunno, I kinda like the Labors, the designers obviously put a lot of thought into them. I guess the limitations imposed by making them "realistic" does make them feel a bit samey after a while, though.

>>96121918
>kennscht mi noch?
ne i kenn da net

>>96121881
I like Heavy Gear. I used to like Gundam and Code Geass a lot, but I guess my tastes changed or something since I like them less and less over time without even watching whatever new stuff they've had recently.

>>96121929
I don't hate them but having last watched the movies few years ago I remember spider mech from 2nd movie much better than the actual MC mechs they use. Maybe because it reminds me of Ghost in the Shell's tank though.
>>96121897
I always hear the video games given the high praise, but I am yet to try them myself. Not even sure if I could run them desu, I usually play strategy games and such.
>>96121976
Code;Geass is what people recommended to me in high school to convert me to anime. They succeeded, sorta, but I'm not sure I could survive watching the whole thing so I avoid it. That said it did have some cool mech battles.

>>96121965
is it Swabisch?

>>96121807
Michael bay would have a vision completely different to battletech as it exists, something the original fans wouldn't like or recognize as battletech. Just as he did with transformers.

>>96122022
it is, its what Lt. Fritz Kempf wrote on the tail of his Fokker Dr.I

>>96122027
So long as he has giant robots punching each other and lots of explosions and an incoherent plot about kings and shit it will be recognizably Battletech.

>>96120437
those are fantastic. great work.

love the Beemer and the writing on the Awesome.

>>96120569
Very cool stuff.

>>96121918
Very cool.

Glad to see everyone mogging me. I haven't been in much of a miniature painting mood lately. :'3

Keep up the good work!!

derp

>>96121897

I think any mecha where the mechs skate around or dogfight like jets is dogshit and retarded. What even is the point in putting legs on your big stompy robot if they're gonna move around like that?

>>96122397
>What even is the point in putting legs on your big stompy robot if they're gonna move around like that?
For stability retard. Tanks can't handle rough terrain and they're 1/5th as durable as a mech.

>>96121918
>What effect were you trying to achieve
I just wanted to use these technics because i never tried them, the only goal was one in a somewhat pine forest camo and one for city/snow engagements. Whats your plan for the bases?

>>96122073
That's vague enough to be interpreted as 40k.

>>96121918
More fucking nazis, this is not okay.

>>96123430
?

>>96122804
They're all going to be little snowed in vignettes, I'll post more pics when the masking tape is off

>>96123522
don't feed the trolls

Does anyone have any tips on how to run a fun stratcon mercenary campaign against the AI in mekhq?

>>96121683
Cunt-scale.

>>96123032
So is Battletech tbf.

>>96121490
You're a bit late to start complaining about the "everything in the Gothic box is also a limited run salvage box" announcement

r8 my lyran guards fellas
they defend the archon princess (my im@s shrine) with their all

>>96124277
Which of these animu grills is called berta and how big is she?

>>96124277
>anime figures
>chibis, no lewds
Distasteful and shameful.
If you're gonna be a weeb perv, go full goon, you'll be judged the same anyway.

>>96123831
Go to sleep, Australia, it's like 5 in the morning.

From a political standpoint when is the best time to use mercs?

>>96124970
Yes.

>>96124970
When you have an abundance of funds to invest into your military but not the time to wait for indigenous production, recruitment and training. Mercenaries are just on demand soldiers of varying capability and reliability, they are a short term, disproportionately expensive way to turn your money into soldiers and equipment.
Most states had a high demand for mercenaries during the third succession war, jihad, dark age, also I assume the age of war.
Historically, they were most important for polities that had a lot of money to throw around but not a lot of people to use as soldiers.

>>96124970
Do you have a problem tht you could fix yourself but it would cost more than a month of constant ac/atti/ppc fire? Hire a merch comp

>>96124970
During specific timeframes(mainly when the MRB was around) mercs are relatively useful assets that will do the job you ask and not get caught up in loyalties or zeal of normal house forces. They do the job and they get out, no need to worry that they might cause some problem because of a vendetta stretching back a century(probably).

Mods are asleep, post gore.

>>96119223
i refuse and simply choose the Concordant.
Gonna fuck up sone Liao and steal Davion autocannons.

I just like an underdog, I'm sorry. Why can't you root for an underdog?

>>96125483
I dont like wantan

>>96124970
Clan invasion for a varity of reasons

"Holy shit we need experienced troops"
"They took HOW many worlds?"
Shit, Fuck, Open the Treasury!"
And of course.
"Boy.. everyone is distracted by that mess over there... wanna launch some raids with plausible deniability while no ones looking?"

>>96125483
Weird commie stuff and constant backstabbing. Even the ones who left with Kerensky were the first to try and backstab.
Which is sad as their whole 'service earns citizenship' but really tickles my mental pickle.

>>96122397
100% agree.
its part of why i cannot stand new gundam.

I will give some leeway for space fights, but even those became blurs of color and curving lasers with no weight behind anything

>>96121881
I enjoy the oversized robots.

>>96125531
Service only earns citizenship for mercenaries. Their own born population has to pass a proficiency test to earn citizenship. Of course nobody with the last name Liao ever fails that test.

>>96124901
I'm not a degenerate like YOU surat

>>96125747
Oh shit, is that the TV version of the Summoner? Was that 3d printed or did they actually do an official mini?

>>96125781
3D printed

>>96125483
The cappies haven't been underdogs since like '95

>>96125781
Did they ever even make a statline for that one? I remember it has knee guns but not much else.

>>96125826
The M variant

>>96125826
Yeah, it's in the Legends book. Only the cheap fucks just recolored a regular Summoner 3d model red for the art so it's still got the missile drum and shit. But it's got a statline there that shows the weapons it's supposed to have.

>>96125747
Whatever lets you sleep at night, gooner.

The Vindicator is actually a good mech, just needs a bigger core and light engine.

>>96125876
That one doesn't have knee guns tho.
>>96125877
I don't have Legends, only Legends II

>>96125814
Oh yeah, there it is. Sheesh, you could play Trova music on those print lines.

>>96125876
I like to think that the M is for Malthus and they get really pissy about non-bloodhouse users of "their" design even though it's in every Summoner mechtech's configurations folder and they don't even use it much themselves anymore after Nick made a laughingstock out of himself.
I think it would be cool if bloodhouses did have signature configurations as a sort of prestige thing. Not every member of the house would use it and not everyone using it would be a member of the house, but it would be a neat symbolic gesture and another vector for petty infighting.

>>96125968
I've always been happy with the vindy even in 3025. Just think of it as a fat panther rather than an anemic griffin and you'll get better results.

>>96125513
shit taste :/
>>96125531
the backstabbing stuff feels on the nose sometimes, I agree there.
>>96125819
they will always be the Qing dynasty in space to me; eyed up simulatenously like a side of pork and a sick man.
I'm happy to see them get their own back but that was the best time to be a cappie imo, pulling everything and the kitchen sink together to fight of the latest Fed or FWLM invasion.

>>96126147
>shit taste :/
why, most wantan missing salt/taste

>>96125826
>>96125877

The original stats are in the Somerset Strikers campaign book which shows the real events that happened during the show.

>>96123522
You've painted your mech up as an actual fucking nazi, that makes you a nazi and hate has no place in battletech!

Someone tell me what I’ve gotten myself into?

I recently agreed to join a campaign being run by the local Battletech community and… well I didn’t know it at the time, but it’s set in the Ilclan era.

I know Jack shit about the Ilclan era. I mostly play PUG games in the Clan Invasion era, sometimes I’d play late succession wars era, or civil war era, But it’s been primarily Invasion Era. So exactly how different is classic battletech in the Ilclan era compared to the Clan Invasion era?

I have heard some players in the community express enthusiasm for the later eras, mostly starting from the Jihad era on as being a more fast-paced game due to mechs from these eras being able to move faster and hit harder and more consistently which I am dreading. Because it makes it sound like it becomes a game of “whosoever can build the cheesiest lance formation wins” and what happens on the map gets diminished to near irrelevancy, a foregone conclusion as the game was already decided at the organization level. Which was something that would happen when I played 40k (3rd-7th edition), where outside of casual games it’d devolve into who could out-cheese the other and I hated dealing with that too. There are few things more infuriating than getting completely tabled in 2 turns without having done anything of consequence. I’m just dreading the same thing is going to play out

>>96125747
If you're not a degen then why are all your figurines females of high school age or younger?
You can be in denial all you like, but if you weren't collecting them for perverted reason they wouldn't all be young women.

>>96126639
>black bars
If you can't write it openly it's not worth me looking at.

>>96126639
I was going to say "Ehhh, it's not all that different." but then I started thinking about the real bullshit ilclan tech and mechs.

Does "Khan" rhyme with "Clan"?

>>96126671
>I can't read spoilered text
what weird hangup

>>96126639
Ilclan is shaping up to be an "anything goes" era. Depending on who you're playing as and where in the setting, you can see introtech designs next to clan omnimechs next to primitives next to industrialmech MODs. Everyone could have anything, but most of them can't afford to only have the best of anything.

>>96126711
No.

>>96126723
How could you possibly justify producing introtech designs as front line combat machines at that point in time?
AS7-Ds often enough eat an ammo TAC and send your 2k BV investment up in a fireball in the first couple turns even in 3025 games.
Having pure introtech designs and not even a basic CASE refit is insane.

>>96126639
ilClan is both a continuation of the main Dark Age plot, just with no more Stoners, as well as them trying to pull Chaos March type shit.

You should just worry about the rules of the equipment.

Know that mixtech is all around you, mechs are 1/3 as rare as 3025 so retardedly small forces all around and backed up by tanks and infantry, Clanners by far and large use IS names for their mechs now, and every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy full clantech off the back of a Sea Fox dropship.

BV is high and forces are small. Learn the new technology and choose wisely. Cheap armor is still a good tactic, just as it was back during the Invasion.

>>96126779
Not him but it's because machines in general are so rare. It's why shit like the Raider is still in service. Having a mech in 3150 at all is beyond 2990 maximum Mad Max level. They do tool up what they can, though.

>>96126784
>mechs are 1/3 as rare
So mechs are 3x more common? Why would that make people use tanks and infantry?

>>96126794
>Not him but it's because machines in general are so rare
That just multiplies the importance of giving CASE to the machines you can get. You'd really never want to send your mechs into combat without CASE, it was justifiable during the succession wars because CASE was literally extinct as a technology.
And if clantech is commonplace during the period, as people tell me, acquiring CASE of some form should be so trivial that there are no true introtech variants running around.

>>96126828
There are 33ish% the amount of mechs. Look at the FM numbers. Most literally say 1 battalion actual mechs in every frontline regiment that used to be solid mechs for most forces.

>>96126835
CASE is made from Ferro-Fibrous armor. If you have no easy way to make that as a state or a world, then you're fucked. They are kitchen sinking the whole thing. Think of the Jihad where they were literally retooling tractortech plants to make primitives so that way it was making actual mechs.

Most of introtech in the ilKlan is not new production. It's just old survivors trucking on like they always have. Standard service life for a mech is 500 years, and having an Atlas when your opponent maybe has some militia, a converted combine and a 3070's Phoenix Valkyrie makes you a real powerhouse. Of course that's until the old MadCat crosses the hill next turn.

>>96126932
If you can just buy clantech you don't really have an excuse for not being able to get some kind of CASE.

>>96126779
Most of the periphery that's not the Canopians or a Clan holding a finger under its nose are stuck with introtech or barely above introtech level production. There's a few new designs even that are basically just an introtech mech but it also has CASE or DHS or an MML.

>>96126969
It requires machine customization which is usually pretty rare in-universe for most people. For the clanners, the base chassis comes with CASE for free so they don't care.

That said, there are some introtech variants that because people got away from them finally go extinct in ilKlan. The old CGR-1A1 King Kiong of the Combine finally goes extinct, for example. But you have people like the Regulans using trash Jihad-built primitive Mackie 6S's all the way through the Regulan War. Everyone is throwing everything at the wall that will stick.

>>96122016
On Armored Core, all the games can be easily played through PS1, PS2 and Xbox/PS3 emulators.

6 is on PC so it's not necessary to do that.

>>96127001
You also have brand new clanbuster KGCs coming out of Hon Soa alongside mixtech Gladiators and a smattering of random other designs. The limit on who makes what is down to what they want to pay to make a production line for. Designs are a free for all after the New Dallas core and the collapse of multiple factions with knowledgeable engineers. Even clantech and the knowhow to make it without involving a clan.

>>96126701
Everyone's bringing a Kontio

Instead of that Project 3015 there should be a project 3115, which is field refits of introtech mechs.

Which mechs would you describe as cute and funny?

>>96127090
>and the knowhow to make it without involving a clan.
Interestingly, this has been true since the early-3050's, one of the reasons BA technology was cracked so quickly. The two main issues were clanners not caring about how inefficient production was when they have whole castes geared to make something as well as the IS having to actually shut down lines to retool when everyone was basically in a constant state of needing to build.

Exostar converting over to clan-grade lasers during the Stoner Peace was a miracle.

>>96127122
All the modern Recog shit is like Project Phoenix in that they have similar weapons in similar locations. All they have to do with a bunch is mention that they are offered as refit kits. That's an easy thing.

>>96127130
All ultralights, most lights.

>>96127136
The clanner command economy caste society should have so many efficiency problems that they should be obsessed with cost-efficient designs. But the writers really didn't put that much thought into the clans.

WIP of a Purple Birb lance I'm bringing to a LFGS drop in night

6k BV, mechs only, Clan Era:ON1-M, WVR-6M, TDR-8M, TR1

>>96127216
Oh, the merchant and worker castes are, but the warrior castes rule, and they don't give a fuck.

>>96127216
They do have an entire caste and multiple leadership organizations in the other castes all dedicated entirely to keeping it running.
The biggest writing problems are that they gave the warriors carte blanche to do extreme violence on the other castes for any or no reason and that the writers never acknowledged what power the merchant caste has until much, much more recently (with a few new products at least giving offhand mentions to it). If the warriors were just held down a little and more civilian leaders were given a spotlight more often, the clans can make some sense. The people pulling the strings behind the curtains don't have to be the meatheads on the front lines.

>>96127130
The Falcon is goofy and adorable, and I will hear no slander against it!

>>96126717
Won't is a very different thing. it's an egotistical dick move to make people jump through an extra hoop to read whatever inane worthless bullshit you wrote.

>>96125814
>FDM for miniatures
I suppose you also eat soup with a fork.

>>96127243
The entire purposeful failing of the clans which ensures their civilization can't survive outside the Kluster is their foundation on might makes right.

Retconning that in recent stuff is a mistake, not making things better. They should be falling apart. I liked how in the DA, they had to hole up in reservations and only let the civvie castes interact with outsiders to maintain their OZ's.

This "Clan governance is actual doable on a large scale." shit is antithetical to clans as a society.

>>96127276
It's more that the civilians actually having some say was necessary for it to have ever functioned.

>>96127224
Nice paneling. Free Worlds Guards?

>>96127224
That is some fucking juicy pin washing you’ve got on there, lookin’ nice

>>96127300
But they never did. Advisement, maybe, but never like a coequal branch. I always felt it was more like how after you get a bloodname, the clan politics become more actual politics, that the leaders see value in listening to the logistics and politics of the underclass.

But there's no actual right to it. The Jade Falcon bankers had no fucking say on on the outcome of the 3134 Rending for example, despite being a powerful merchant caste.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many shots the Pontiac 100 that a Victor carries fires in a single volley? Sarna isn't telling me, and I know that they have their ammo clips almost like that of a handgun, or the stripper clip of an M1 Garand, and each "shot" is one of those clips.

>>96127366
For autocannons, they're called cassettes. No idea how many rounds are in a Pontiac 100's cassettes though.

I have a metal Phoenix hawk ready to be assembled. I have two plastic Phoenix Hawks already, one painted Capellan and one earmarked for the Fedsuns. There's a few different ways I could assemble this one:
If i use one large laser arm I can make either a PXH-1/PXH-4L or PXH-1K/PXH-2K depending on whether i give it jump jets.
If i use both laser arms I can make a PXH-3D/3K.
I don't know of any variant that uses two laser arms and holds the jump jets.
I'm leaning towards giving it to the Kuritans. What would you guys do?

Question, on flechs sheets I've noticed that some equipment lists note targeting computer next to some weaponry but do not apply the modifier to every weapon.

Is this simply because the TC tonnage/crit slots used isn't large enough to cover those weapons? Do they mention TC without modifiers just for their eligibility or can a TC still be applied for the purpose of called shots for those weapons (but not the passive modifier for regular weapons fire?)

>>96127405
They gave you extra arms? Only one reasonable thing to do.

>>96127130
the urbie is everyone favorite assault mech.

I personally find Cicada kinda fun.

>>96127405
Alternatively I could try magnetizing the jump jets.

>>96127416
A targeting computer's modifier is applied to every weapon the mech carries, unless that weapon isn't compatible with a targeting computer, like missiles. You can't have a targeting computer that applies to one ERPPC but not the other, for instance.

>>96127405
Jets look cooler IMO. I have so many old 1986 sculpts missing jets that got shuffled off as 1K's.

Still, a 3D/3K would be boss.

Maybe just do a little kitbashing and run it as a 3M in a badass pose?

>>96127416
Missiles and certain other weapons such as HAGs don't benefit from a Targeting Computer.

>>96125558
>with no weight behind anything
Mechs aren't supposed to be heavy.

>>96127405
3M has akimbo lasers and still jumps.

>>96127456
That I get, it's just that the Vapor Eagle 3 on Flechs has 3 medium heavy lasers + TC listed but it does not list the modifer whereas the ER PPC + TC does.

What are some clan second line or legacy IS chassis you find interesting or fun that I could add to my JF roster? I want to expand my list with stuff I could use on campaigns or scenarios.

>>96127488
At a guess it's because the TC is negating the heavy laser penalty, but I can't say for certain.

>>96127480
Yeah there's 3 variants with 2 laser arms that jump, unless there's more later on. A lot of the later variants seem to stick to the big right arm gun.
>>96127405
Build it as a PXH-1K and see if you like how it looks, you can always just add the jump jets later.

>>96127501
Correct, flechs accounts for positive and negative modifiers.

>>96127488
Are you sure it’s just not showing any modifier because it’s a net 0 change? Remember heavy lasers have a +1 penalty, lots of designs use a tarcomp to cancel that out. It’s only the improved heavies that remove that +1, at the cost of being explosive components.

>>96127501
Ugh, that makes sense. Sorry anon, appreciate the help.

>>96127494
Absolute Faggotus Maximus, you should bring a Rifleman IIC 1, a Marauder IIC 1, a Warhammer IIC 1, and a Galahad (Glass Spider) 1 as well as an Incubus (Vapor Eagle) 1 and a Viper (Black Python) 1.

Falcons have access to all the most evil second line machines.

>>96127452
>>96127480
>>96127503
The twin gun Pixies look bad and play worse.

>>96127560
So? Having a model for one would be cool. Same way I like having a shit Primitive Emperor sculpt.

>>96127560
You stay on the ground and shoot both your ERLL and generally only gain movement heat. If you want to jump, you drop one of the ERLL, or only shoot your close range guns. It's not that fucking hard anon. Just don't alpha strike like a moron.

>>96127520
Damn, I shouldn't have sold my Saucerman IIC when I bought that box, but the current sculpt doesn't have the funny ghost face. Thanks tho I'll start thinking of ways of buying or printing some of these.

>>96127235
The warriors basically will all their ridiculously advanced designs into existence at mass production scale.
Clanners have such ridiculous production that they designed and produced the crucible, a jumping, 100 ton, quad gauss clan mech, just for solahma logistics defense units.

>>96127460
you take that back right the fuck now!

Which atlas model looks the best?

>>96127460
There isn't any way to imagine this thing moving gracefully.

>>96127590
3M is up 4 heat plus movement if it tries that.

>>96127712
This or a PGI print.

>>96127732
What number is that? There's like 3 different 'current' IWM atlas sculpts.

>>96126784
> ilClan is both a continuation of the main Dark Age plot,
I know Jack shit about the dark age, beyond “ComStar suffered technical difficulties”, and “the ruling Steiner was such an incompetent bitch that she managed to do the impossible and bankrupt the Lyran Commonwealth, then thought pissing off clan Wolf and clan Jade Falcon would somehow fix that”.

I know even less about the meta of that era and how IS mechs and variants tended to behave on the map.

I mean at least Clan mechs pretty much seem to stay roughly the same throughout the ages: just better in every way, but also ridiculously expensive.

>>96127737
https://www.ironwindmetals.com/index.php/product-listing/product/battletech-20-9109/category_pathway-13

>>96127732
>>96127766

>Battleforce scale
Kek.

IMO first sculpt is the best, even if he is a shorty.

What should I put on an Enforcer mech?
I really like them design wise, but they never do well unless i get lucky it feels like.
Normally i go large laser and uac5

>>96127911
That's not an enforcer.

>>96127305 #
Stewart Dragoons to be more precise (Scotland Forever!)

>>96127319 #
Thanks! Though I actually did this the other way around. Light grey panels painted over the black undercoat

>>96127922
Is it not? Am I being a retard and forgetting a name wrong?

>>96127718
And yet that thing is lighter than some real life tanks.

>>96127941
The Enforcer mounts a large laser and a big ballistic, usually a 10 class autocannon(regular, ultra, or lbx), gauss rifle, or a 20 class autocannon. The smallest ballistic one mounts is a RAC/5 IIRC.

>>96127953
There is only one model of tank built in real life that is heavier than the omega.

>>96127980
then what the fuck an I think of.. humanoid shaped, focus on two weapons.

>>96127996
And that tank was far, far smaller than the Omega. The omega would be very light on its feet for its size.

>>96128104
The omega has a running speed of 3. The maus would have a "running" speed of 2.
The omega genuinely cannot move faster than 32km/h, it probably can't even achieve a running motion moving that slowly at that size.
It would be significantly slower than any serious attempt at a modern 150 ton tank, it would not be light on its feet by any metric.

>>96128169
Not him but
>3 levels tall and moving a whole football field in 10 seconds
She's at least got a good cachunk-a-chunk gait going.

>>96128187
It can just barely rotate 180 degrees in 10 seconds, it can do a fast walk at best.

>>96128187
That actually puts it at approximately 10 times as tall as an average human and 10 times as fast as an average walking human. So its "run" probably looks a lot like normal human walking. I'd guess its walk speed is a much more careful gait with pauses for balance.

The omega moving at maximum speed probably looks like an annihilator in MWO moving at maximum speed.

>>96128247
Scratch that, slightly less speed. So it probably looks a lot like an old person walking. Like a classic mall walker. Careful not to break a hip, grandma!

>>96128247
To add context, the average human scaled up 10x would walk at 50km/h and run at 240km/h.

>>96128169
>The omega genuinely cannot move faster than 32km/h
That's actually 80% of the speed of an Abrams tank.

>>96128298
yeah but the abrams isn't 18 meters tall

>>96127520
Respectfully suggest the Galahad 2 instead, Pairs well with Rifleman IIC 1.

How would you feel if they added a rule to ultralights making them one level tall?

>>96128372
Lame. Might as well take a protomech.

>>96128169
I can accept that the WoB might not have had the time to research a bigger engine to make a 3/5 Omega variant, but the RotS had decades to make the infrastructure needed to make Super Heavy Mechs a lot better and just... didn't, for reasons, which is retarded.

>>9612752
This, but:
>Rifleman IIC 1
>Warhammer IIC 1
>Vapor Eagle 1
>Black Python 1
>Supernova 4
For maximum detestability.

>>96128381
I like protomechs. A pack of Rocs has been doing wonders for me.

>>96128473
They used their time to make the infrastructure to make superheaby mechs at a rate that isn't charitably called "boutique". The WoB and earlier stuff is all handmade piece by piece using bespoke handmade parts. The Ares is made in a factory at a rate measured in units per year instead of years per unit without them also all being uniquely fucked up prototypes like every single known Omega is.

>>96128584
Dude, the Omegas were made at a regular line at Skobel. They just didn't have multiple years before the Coalition was ramming down their throats Even the Stoners kept cranking them out later. Project Rhoades at Devil's Rock was a much rockier start before they got it rolling.

>>96128592
Every single Omega has the Prototype quirk. They made a lot of prototypes that were combat ready, but each one is flawed in new and interesting ways because they were not a properly finished product at any point.

>>96128600
That's simply not true. Stoners even made the iHLL versions in bulk. This is a problem with quirk to chassis assignment, like how the new Black Knights should have the jettisonable shield quirk.

>>96128615
They made the iHLL version as an experiment while working towards the Orca, which was also a prototype only mech, then they finally made it work with the Poseidon and that was enough of a base to make the omnimech Ares. The Omega is the first functional superheavy, but its problems were never worked out.

>>96128628
I still find it funny that the Poseidon was the last Clicktech version but somehow the Project Ares versions are more advanced in the current canon.

>>96128644
iirc, in the clickytech version the Poseidon is a variant of the Ares, but the "Ares" is the name of a whole collection of similar but differently named mechs rather than an omnimech. All of what are now its configurations were instead considered different mechs in a sort of extreme version of the Patton/Rommel thing.

>>96128656
The OG pack made it seem like it was an omni IIRC. That didn't change. It was the Poseidon that made it seem like a 4th variant. Still got the patch somewhere...

>>96128473
The technology for a larger engine was already there, it just would have been at least 67 tons for an XL 450.
Technology hasn't unambiguously progressed at all for 300 years by the time of ilclan because they made the mistake of marrying an advancing and vast plot to a conservatively balanced tabletop wargame.

>>96128681
You can have an advancing plot without much advancing technology, see Dune for an example which Battletech was inspired by.

>>96128706
Dune bends over backwards to do that and still doesn't really create a very convincing excuse for why technology never gets better.
By the clan invasion battletech just stops trying to explain at all why technology can can never be improved upon and better technology can't be adopted.

>>96127569
The Primitive Emperor is THE best Emperor sculpt tho

>>96128224
Battletech's rules for rotating were always weird. You shouldn't be moving significantly slower just because you turn leftwards a little bit a few times. Also that none of them except quadlegs can strafe, but they clearly can strafe.
>>96122397
>What even is the point in putting legs on your big stompy robot
Fix'd. It's because it looks cool.

>>96128718
>By the clan invasion battletech just stops trying to explain at all why technology can can never be improved upon
Because of the Battlemech.

Battlemechs are basically the be-all-end-all of technology. There's no point to inventing anything else, because...you already invented the battlemech.

>>96128768
Wrong.
The terran hegemony invented better technology than that used by the first battlemech, the star league invented better technology than that, the clans invented even better technology than that.
Technology didn't stop advancing with the creation of the battlemech.

>>96126654
look nibba I just paint the robots what's on the shelf is what's on the shelf

>>96127224
Gosh these look great!

>>96128681
>The technology for a larger engine was already there, it just would have been at least 67 tons for an XL 450.
For a standard FE maybe, that doesn't sound right for an XL though.
Plus SH Mechs are really forgiving with Crit Slots, so it would have been a niche where XXL engines could fill since you wouldn't burn most of your slots from the extra DHS you'd want to neutralize the extra heat build up.

>>96129040
You mean the weight? A standard 450 is 133 tons.

>>96128804
>The terran hegemony invented better technology than that used by the first battlemech
Sure, but in spite of all that they were still pretty technologically stagnant, never achieving many technologies past stuff we invented in the 70's.

>>96129088
smart phone-laptop hybrids being commonplace domestic tools, faster than light travel and communications, fusion power and its widespread use as even vehicle propulsion, radical and efficient terraforming, genetic manipulation advanced enough to adapt humans to aquatic environments, and practical, widespread commercial space travel is quite a bit more advanced than what we had in the 70's.

>>96126638
>that makes you a nazi and hate has no place in battletech!
I mean yes, this is accurate. But those aren't Nazi schemes. They're just German schemes. Now, granted, everything German is Nazi automatically, and therefore problematic, but it's important to call out things accurately. They're only Nazi paint scheme because they're German.

>>96126779
>How could you possibly justify producing introtech designs as front line combat machines at that point in time?
By not allowing players to choose their own Mechs. If you want to play DA, you only get to use RATs. Or, at least, you are absolutely required to choose no more than 1 RAT at a time, and then roll randomly (choose an A rated RAT, roll, choose a C Rated RAT, roll, etc). Allowing players to choose their own forces ALWAYS ruins games, every time, where where, every game. Don't allow for player choice.

>>96127130
>Which mechs would you describe as cute and funny?
Mechs on HRT like this one. Being femme is 100% better and cuter and funnier, 100% of the time. More boys should try it.

>>96129088
It might seem stangnat since innovation has a long way to spread.
We only had to adapt a new standard on one planet, but if majority of inner spere still uses the old format you don't really have a choice if you want to sell hardware to more than one world.

>>96129117
Ok so looking at this chart
guys, guys
hear me out here
500-ton superheavy
500 rating engine
35 tons of armor
5 small lasers

>>96129150
See, this is actually a correct opinion, but competitive players and tournament whales will never ever allow it to happen. You thought the Davionman with a shotgun was an outlier? Put this in place officially and everyone who has ever worked for CGL would be dead within a month.

Nothing can be allowed to keep tournyfags from optimizing any and all fun out of whatever game they have their diseased claws into this month.

>>96129165
>steiner recon lance intensifies

>>96129165
Figure out how to put an AC and battle fists on it and you'll have buyers from all over the Commonwealth.

>>96127130
There you go, cute and funny.

>>96129165
It arrives in 100 crates because there are no superheavy mech bays.

>>96121881
My fellow MA.K nigger. I'm also a Macross and Mecha Musume fan.

>>96129194
What's the blue one packing?

>>96121881
I like VOTOMs and Small Mechs in general, which is why I hate how inherently bad Protomechs were made to be as a concept in BT.

>>96129235
LRM10

>>96129205
>I'm also a Macross and Mecha Musume fan.
Then you belong in /a/ and not here. Japshit has nothing to do with Battletech.

>>96121881
Macross/Robotech, Heavy Gear, Tau Battlesuits, the old Sierra Earthsiege games, Mission Force: Cyberstorm

>>96129432
>Japshit has nothing to do with Battletech.

>>96129447
>Macross/Robotech, Heavy Gear, Tau Battlesuits, the old Sierra Earthsiege games, Mission Force: Cyberstorm
Liking any of these makes you a gay faggot who needs to find a different game. Battletech is Aryan Western Mechs, not faggot Japanime cuckshit.

>>96129493
>tranime enjoyer detected
You will never be a woman, anon

>>96129498
>tranime

>>96119151 (OP)
a lot of op's links are 404

>>96129510
Nothing of value was lost. If you want a good game, play 40k. Battletech is a shit game for retarded boomers who don't know what good gameplay looks like. Only 40k is a good game.

>>96129498
Never wanted to become one
You, on the other hand... quite heavy-handed on the projection, huh?

>>96129520
>Never wanted to become one
Too bad, anon. You're missing out. Being a girl in the relationship with an alpha man or four is MUCH better than being a boy. Everyone should try HRT. It should be injected in middle schools before puberty ruins you. If it takes, you were never meant to be a boy anyway.

Why is /btg/ so weird? I wanna talk about mechs, not whatever is going on

>>96129535
Because Mechs are boring and unrealistic, and there is forever going to be a disconnect between Western style mobile gun platforms and Eastern style dancing Mechs. Nothing anyone ever does will be enough to fill that gap. Nothing CGL ever says will conclude the argument about which is better. These threads will never, ever, settle the issue. So we're gonna shitpost about it forever or until one side IRL literally murders everyone on the opposition side. You can either accept this, or find a different game to follow.

>>96129531
>Everyone should try HRT. It should be injected in middle schools before puberty ruins you.
Fucking based. This is unironically correct. We only need about 20% of men to breed anyway. 80% of you are disposable low class males who would be better off feminized into sex toys for real men. In my AU, this is a mandatory issue that affects Davion, Capellan, and Steiner males during schooling (getting them on HRT before they're 14 is critical).

>>96129510
Oh, the bg.battletech introduction links are down. Good job CGL.

>>96129535
Just ignore the troll.

Opinions?

>>96129604
I like their legally distinct urbanmech.

>>96126779
>How could you possibly justify producing introtech designs as front line combat machines at that point in time

Lore answer: cost.
Meta answer: the devs junoed through hoops to mollify grogs.

>>96129604
Friend of mine checked the rules and told me it's basically AS with more dice rolling

>>96129637
How retarded are you that your friend had to read a ruleset and tell you about it rather than just reading it yourself?
I don't care about whatever game this is, but come on bruh

>>96129569
CGL is chronically incapable of taking any but the literally worst action at any given time. Literally Palladium or GW would be a better steward of the IP. Every person who works or assists CGL in any way should be doxxed and killed. Only then can the IP move forward into better hands.

>>96129637
It seems everyone is throwing their hat in the AS ring. We might even get onepagerules one day.

>>96129604
If FASA sued Playmates over the heavy assault E-frame, it's not even a QUESTION that CGL should sue, and possibly dispatch a literal hit squad, with IRL guns, against the Hardwars people. That obviously an IP infringement and CGL should have people killed for it.

>>96129573
I can't. Anyone who supports trannies ever must be opposed wherever they appear. All trannies and their supporters must die, everywhere, forever.

>>96129669
Based.

you guys are awful glowy tonight

>>96129676
it's one australian. and he's no professional, he's actually just like that. he's been working this particular bit since '14 or so
we even know his name, deadborder from the OF.

>>96129676
Its 12 pm here.

>>96129689
I have no idea who this "''dead border" is. All i know is that the Taurian Concordat is the best faction in the game, that everyone who works or demo for CGL is an enemy of the community, and that every liberal and tranny who plays Battletech should be killed. Those are simple things.

>>96129676
Cut me some slack, these are regular heatsinks.

yep, it really is him

>>96129689
Y'all always claiming "it's Australians" always during the hours they're all sleeping

>>96129744
this particular australian is a night shift server goblin, is the thing

>>96129744
Aussies don't sleep and they're responsible for everything bad that happens everywhere in the world. The sooner all white Australians are exterminated the better off these threads will be. There's never been such a thing as a good Aussie BT fan. Fuck everyone who isn't Canadian or American. We're the only people who deserve this game.

>>96129744
It's LITERALLY 6pm in Perth you fucking tard.

>>96129769
Perth isn't a real city in Australia

>be urbanfighting
>pic-related bursts through building behind your lance
>lancemate gets smacked on the ass by SRM-6
>wut do?

>>96129810
forgot the pic. Will sudoku self at earliest convenience.

>>96129646
Erm, I didn't have time for that? And I didn't ask him to do it, he's part of our BT group and was curious about it

>>96129818
Move away at walking speed.

>>96129810
>be urbanfighting
>be driving Wyvern
>Lancemate gets smacked on the ass by SRM6
>Proper course of action is to turn and present Mechussy to whichever Big Black Mech is coring itself into my lacemantes behind, and wait my turn like a good gurl

>>96129165
>cant deploy it with the standard dropships because the thing is Xbox hueg
>instead it comes in 100-ton pieces and combines into a goddamn megazord once the dropship deploys it

Do you like big, girthy missiles btg?

>>96129810
>>96129818
Charge them and slam their bitch ass into a building! I'll show them whose boss of this city!

>>96129818
Jump behind them and hit em with the AC/20

>>96129818
That's the most timid looking stalker, he looks like he's apologizing and backing away because he dropped something on the floor with his no/minimal arms.

>>96130507
It's literally the original TRO image in 3d form.

>>96130522
Yes, notice how the angle of the view changes the body language? When the forward food is towards the observer, still in the air, he looks to be advancing. When it's the opposite and both feet are on the ground, the stalker is bowing and scraping like a drac.

>>96121897
>Armored Core has similar vibes to Battletech
Nope since AC is juist glorified power armor

>>96130578
?

>>96130589
And your pic is still controlled with pedals and joysticks.

Purple Crud.

>>96130589
He's so sexy, how does he do it bros?

>>96130600
Actually it's controlled partly by a neurohelm, granting the pilot human-like motion when moving his mech, to the point of being able to play sports and duel with melee weapons. There's also some buttons or something in there idk

It's also clearly just a big metal person.

Also how do you think AC's are controlled?

Let's talk about Phoenix Hawks. For one of the earlier designs, they PXH-1 is actually quite good. Optimal speed for their tonnage. They have a hole puncher and some follow up weapons, no minimal range weapons. The amount of heat sinks makes for interesting tactical choices, stay on the ground and use the LL to be neutral, jump and use all the other weapons to only be up +2, and a running alpha only puts you up +6. The twin MGs let them clear 4d6 infantry per turn or add some heat free damage. It carries enough armor that it can easily bully lighter 6/9/6 or faster mechs that only mount Mlas, SRMs, or AC/5s, and even has enough armor to shrug survive a few LL/PPC/AC10 hits provided they don't go to the head.

There's also a good amount of variants for every era. I've used the PXH-1 a fair amount, I brought the PXH-1K out and immediately had it headcapped by a CERPPC despite the extra armor, and the PXH-3PL is an extremely vicious light mech remover. Which Phoenix Hawk variants do you like/dislike and do you have any memorable games with them? Post any you have painted.

>>96130741
The -3PL is probably the one I've always wanted to use but never have, with its dreaded combo of JJs, pulse lasers, and a targeting computer. I have used the -3K a couple times, and it's fine.

>>96130741
Don't like it. Looks like it got lost on its way to Gundam or some shit. Even in MWO/HBS' game it sticks out like sore thumb.
Statwise it's good tho.

>>96130964
This but the opposite, mechs should have stat demerits when they have inhuman forms because the neurohelmets can't map to them so good.

>>96130507
It's stalking.

What is the most broken custom conventional infantry you can come up with?

Stalker is never gonna beat the allegations.

>>96129651
>GW
God, can you even fucking imagine?
>Here's your introbox containing 4 mechs, and a pamphlet of rules, but nothing approaching the full ruleset, and one mapsheet. It costs 200$. Everything requires at least 3 colors of paint and in the correct and canonical unit colors to be on the table, and it uses WYSIWYG, so you need to buy a unique model for every variant of mech you want to play, more if you want to use something like your Hunchback 4G with both Davions and Dracs. And since the timeline is constantly advancing, older units are getting phased out and you need to be buying new units to keep up with the latest Codicies. SSW, Flechs, and MML all get cease&desisted, all record sheets must be from official GW record sheet books, and there's a neverending power creep escalation of new and better pilot skills and psychic powers because we can't let someone from 3025 be competitive against the newest and latest and greatest books. Gotta force everyone to consuuuuuuuume.

>>96131447
>SSW, Flechs, and MML all get cease&desisted
This is basically why all these separate half-made sites exist rather than just an all in one functioning battletech assistant, because they're dodging the restrictions.

>>96131392
For low cost? Just big blobs with Steiner body armour and Fed-Barrets.

How are your battletech prospects now compared to 6 months ago? Anyone find a new FLGS or convince friends to play?

>>96131474
They exist because the guy with the rights to digital game tools has been silently squatting on them since the early 2000s and his old paid programs aren't updated for content or compatibility.

>>96129623
But CASE is actually really cheap relative to pretty much any mech you put it on and it then saves you an entire mech's worth of money when it comes into use.
It's not using case that costs you a lot.

You know, I'm starting to think that maybe Weisman selling off all the various rights for Battletech components to complete randos in perpetuity may have not been the best move overall for the franchise.

>>96131576
Really? It seems to have worked out ok.

>>96127224
DAYUM! that is good shit right fucking there. you god damned nailed them paintjobs. sexy.

>>96127224
Welcome back, dalong.net

>>96131731
No cigarette pack for scale

>>96129150
>>96129167
I mean from an in-universe perspective it's simply not practical.
It's like building T-34s as a front line combat vehicle in the 80's even though you're perfectly capable of building T-72s. Lostech and clantech is so affordable by ilclan that no state has an excuse to not be outfitting their otherwise introtech designs with some very useful non-introtech.

>>96120437
Finished my weird ghost bear binary. I started off by priming my mechs black, drybrushing on aquamarine, leaving the details but getting the majority of panels then I did primary panels blue, secondary panels metallic white with some metallic gold, did a shadow wash, edge dry brushing and red details (laser, canopy, etc.)

They turned out really nice, but I have a flip phone because I am a weird luddite so pictures are not so hot.

>>96129150
god. you ARE an utter fuckstain. no fun allowed indeed. fuck all the way off, you fucking NPC.

>>96132038
Most of the periphery states can't do better. Colonial Tractors and Hope Industrial Works might be able to work with more advanced components on a case by case basis for some bigwigs custom job, but their day to day production lines are making the basic sturdy components that carried the succession wars. Introtech is supposed to actually be more robust than some of the higher tech stuff anyway. Ammo explosions aside, it should be easier to keep an introtech unit going indefinitely.

If you want a real world example, look at something like a Super Tucano. We were fucking around with turboprops since the 1920s and they almost made it into WW2. But who actually makes it? Brazil, starting in 2003. Could have been a jet, but that's not economical for what they can do.

>>96132116
If you're making a fusion engine mech it's simply not economical to not equip it with at least CASE. Because pretty soon you're going to get an ammo TAC and be down a few million Cbills.
If you somehow can't get CASE you might as well just be building swarms of ICE vees and filling out your garrisons with those.
The introtech mechs worked in the late succession wars because nobody had anything better, lostech was lostech. The clans come around and everyone finds introtech is completely inadequate, everyone with an industrial base was scrambling to produce lostech even before the clans showed up.

>>96132164
Ammo explosions are a lot rarer in lore. Probably because a lot of the most explodey designs used to be more crit padded before engine heat sinks were a thing.

>>96132203
With the availability of clantech on the open market and even inner sphere production of clantech I think a periphery state can buy something as simple as CASE and DHS.

>>96131538
I meant like, most effective.

like LAC5 / UAC5 gun crews, stacking auto rifles with LRMs to extend the rifle's range, jump jets, etc.

What are the best 20 ton lights, 40 ton meds, and 60 ton heavies? I’ll ignore 80 ton assaults because it’s obviously the Awesome.

>>96130634
I think it looks OK! You painted within the lines, the colors are crisp and clear, I can still see details and the base is wonderfully done.

Honestly maybe some panel drybrushing and some work on the canopy, otherwise I think that looks great.

Even if the FWL sucks, your paint job doesn't.

>>96132476
For the 40 and 60 ton brackets, I’m going to say Carrion Crow and Vulture Mk IV because their ferro-lam armor makes them vastly more durable than their tonnage would suggest.

>>96132530
Thank you kind anon.

I am working on expanding my Purple Bird army. I have added a Crusader, and am working on a Hermes II. I suppose I'll do a Battlemaster to round out the assaults, but what should my fourth light mech be?

>>96129123
And yet they never achieved BVR tech, stealth, or machine learning, and their computerization is abysmal.

>>96132476
40 - the Whitworth isn't terrible, just very average, which is as good as you can hope for at that tonnage.

60 - I think there are a fair amount of pretty good 60 tonners. I like the Argus, Helios, and Ti Ts'ang.

>>96132837
Not just saying that, I mean it! Those look great.

I'm partial to the Stinger myself anon, it's like a miniature Wasp/Valkyrie.

>>96132856
>they never achieved BVR tech
They did, basic ECM just makes BVR impractical.
>stealth
The terran hegemony invented both active camouflage and a system that provided perfect masking from all electronic detection.
>their computerization is abysmal
They have the equivalent to a smart phone, it does everything a modern smart phone does, their computers aren't bad.

>>96132837
Owens if you don't mind 3d printing or getting the old IWM model. Mongoose, Hammer, or Hermes would also be good choices.

>>96131731
>>96131788
>No cigarette pack for scale
Indeed!

>>96132949
>They did, basic ECM just makes BVR impractical.
No, it's that most weapon systems can get up and juke!

Anyways, got to play some Instant Action 5.1, Take Intact.
Biggest take away from my group is that the Confront Player's Prize Unit is usually their Assault Mech, and needing to WITHDRAW it (Ala leaving the map on the Confront Players Home Edge) in only Eight turns is damn near impossible on two map sheets.
Our suggestion is to replace WITHDRAWL with LEAVE THE MAP, as it allows the Confront Player to make for the nearest edge instead.

>>96132856
>>96132949 already addressed most of these issues, but I just want to tap the sign again.

>>96132949
That’s not how ECM works

>>96133206
There's a form of ECM for pretty much any electronic tracking, even in real life.
That is how ECM works.

>>96133206
Isn't it?

See also: the ECM rules for space combat, where it absolutely does exactly that.

>>96133242
Plus again, the inherent mobility of the BattleMech adds another complication to beyond visual targeting; Not needing to use established roads or routes makes path prediction a LOT harder, and a large number of worlds aren't going to have the established Information Networks like we have hear on Earth, so guided munitions are going to be harder to use as well.

>>96133242
How are you going to jam a something that uses no wireless components

>>96133320
How are you targeting something without feedback?

>>96133320
Do not know how wide a blanket category "ECM" is? ECM is an electronic device designed to deceive electronic guidance of any kind.

>>96133320
Well, you start by analyzing what it uses for targeting sensors. Is it radar? You can spoof it, launch chaff to clutter its returns, or jam it. Is it IR? You can reduce your heat signature, launch flares, or dazzle/blind it with a laser. Is it purely optical? You use camouflage, shape-disruptive netting or bushes to make it think you aren't actually a target, or again, dazzle/blind it with a laser. None of this requires remote wireless access, just targeting the possible sensors of the enemy missile or launching unit. You know what the very first ECM in history was? A bunch of dudes with electric toasters* lined up on the deck of a British carrier because no joke, the toasters would screw up the guidance package of the FritzX flying bomb. This shit was in WW2, and it's only gotten more sophisticated since, and in Battletech, every mech has at least some kind of ecm and sensor package by default, it's part of the sensors and communications equipment that comes in your head.

*it might have been some other household appliance rather than toasters, I forget the details, but point is it was fucking hilarious because something mundane was beating ze vunderwaffe.

>>96133337
You can use internal components within the munition dumbass, or use wire-guided weapons

>>96133383
But what ECM do they have that’s actually more advanced than what we have? Cause you’re just describing stuff we already have and have beaten. We’re given no reason to assume they’re more advanced than us, only that their weapons are more primitive.

>>96133413
No, actually you can't beat a laser bricking your optical guidance package.

>>96133413
Their simplest, weakest military grade vehicle mounted lasers being capable of melting through the front of an abrams and out the backside in a couple seconds is one reason to believe their weapons are more advanced than ours.

>>96133429
Which is why all the militaries of the world have discarded their missiles and nobody uses them anymore.

>>96133452
So basically they just never advanced their missile, bomb, or artillery technology instead, focusing entirely on lasers.

>>96133400
>You can use internal components within the munition dumbass
So how are you designating a target?

>>96133482
You tell it what target to seek out before it’s launched.

>>96133519
How do you DO that, dumbass...

>>96133533
You put the radar/infrared/optical computer in the missile itself. Or use wire guidance.

>>96133458
>if a weapon has a countermeasure the weapon is 100% useless and all militaries discard it
No?

>>96133579
To render BVR weapons useless that would have to be the case, yes.

>>96133470
Gauss rifles, rail cannons and plasma weapons are other fields in which their weapons are more advanced. Robotics capable of being acceptable pilots for most combat vehicles in the field is another area.
Primitive weapons equivalent to our modern day ballistics doing reduced damage to standard armor where most BT weapons do not experience such a setback must also logically mean all of their weapons are also more advanced in the ways that increase their destructive force.

>>96133550
>radar/infrared/optical computer in the missile itself.
And how does THAT know what it's suppose to hit?

>>96133550
And then that gets jammed/spoofed/dazzled as I described above.>>96133383
Can't hit what you can't see.
>>96133596 see: >>96133171, and also the space combat rules, where the weapons that on the tabletop are limited to 270m can suddenly go hundreds of km.

>>96133656
Eh, they’re definitely behind us in robotics.

>>96133899
We still don't have field worthy combat AI for aircraft and tanks, so not quite.

>>96133899
>>96133910
Plus how much of a game changer Myomer is.

>>96133910
We’ve already developed AI for aircraft superior to real pilots, we just haven’t approved it for combat use yet.

>>96134049
Until they perform at or above the level of a human pilot in combat conditions we cannot say we have equivalent combat AI, a lot of things supposedly perform well in testing and then don't in the field.

>>96134107
Field testing has already proven them superior for most flight purposes, the boy ways they haven’t been tested is shooting at the enemy, mostly for legal reasons.

>>96134049
>>96134107
If a pilot blows up the wrong target and kills a bunch of civilians, you can just blame the pilot and get a new one. If an AI does the same thing, the whole AI gets shut down. There's an extra level of investment involved so you want to be REALLY sure you aren't either wasting all your money or getting Skynet'd.

>>96134130
>>96134131
Whatever legal difficulties there may be, they need to actually be used in combat to truly prove themselves.

>>96134131
>If a pilot blows up the wrong target and kills a bunch of civilians, you can just blame the pilot and get a new one.
Indeed.

>>96134145
They’ve proven themselves in combat simulations

>>96134202
Combat simulations are not combat conditions.

>>96134209
Then the question is why are pilots so bad at training,

>>96134255
Actual combat has too many variables that simulations cannot perfectly replicate. "We've never actually used it but we assure you it works" is never good enough for literally anything.
It's not a proven technology until it's stomping actual human opponents from a foreign power shooting back with live munitions.

Royal Black Watch hyyyyype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88ZTO1RXRs

>>96134333
By your definition most of our weapons today would be untested because the enemy is incapable of spotting them to shoot back at them. No wonder nobody in Battletech invented stealth, lmao.

>>96134333
I mean, anyone who follows this stuff knows that right now the real power of AI is going to be in drone wingmen platforms that basically serve as missile trucks for the live pilot who's controlling the flight. It's why stealth and datalink are so important, so that you can have your drones be the ones turning on the radar to expose themselves while the silent manned platform is telling them what to shoot.
Perun has a good video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0L5Wv86fQ

Meanwhile, Battletech has actual fully sentient AI warships and fighters in the Casper drone system. The only real limitation was that jumping through hyperspace would drive the AI crazy, so it wasn't a viable offensive weapon, only a defensive one. But even there, it was nearly unmatched. Kerensky paid blood by the ocean and scrap metal by the mountain range to take out the Casper systems that Amaris took over during the Star League Civil War.

>>96134380
The fact that nobody in Battletech can fix a simple GPS is prove of how technologically backward they are. They have the fucking Adeptus Mechanicus in charge of their phones for gods sakes.

>>96134349
>No wonder nobody in Battletech invented stealth
Scroll up.

>>96134410
I saw, their stealth is still very primitive by modern standards. You have to keep in mind that the writers weren’t around for the Gulf War or the Iraq War, they were still operating on WW2 assumptions that planes would have to dive bomb enemy tanks like Stukas.

>>96134349
>By your definition most of our weapons today would be untested because the enemy is incapable of spotting them to shoot back at them
No weapon that hasn't engaged in combat is proven. If you want to be really strict "any weapon that hasn't participated in combat against a peer opponent using comparable forces is unproven".

>>96134430
No, you didn't see.
They have actual combat-capable active camouflage, like the predator. They have stealth systems that can hide them against all forms of detection except direct visual detection.
They can pair those two things on any vehicle and make something that is effectively undetectable until it's moving around and shooting at things.

>>96134436
But then you just end up with survivorship bias. All the best weapons end up being unproven because they’re so good the enemy never gets a chance to fight back. The most proven weapons end up being the shittiest as well because they’re only ones that get to have “peer opponents”.

>>96134402
The Admech can't do any research and advancements of their own, they only know how to plunder lostech caches. They don't know how their own tech works and get by on cargo cultism with everything ritualized to an extreme degree. Battletech has the proles plundering the lostech caches, but Comstar actually knows what science is and has it's own R&D divisions, they just actively work to suppress the technological development of everyone who isn't them. The two are not even REMOTELY the same.

>>96134460
If they had those things, they would use them. Since they don’t use them, we can only assume they either don’t have them, or they suck worse than modern stealth.

>>96133413
they have super-ecm as standard so hard that to have 'actual' ecm/eccm in the setting requires multi ton super units of even MORE bullshit nega-power

>>96134478
They did use them, try again.

>>96133899
wrong. every mechwarrior game has the pilots all be 8/9 super retards. etc.

'in universe' a 3/4 or better is doing shit that makes gundams seem slow.

>>96134468
If a weapon can avoid detection such that the enemy never shoots back that is the same.
If a weapon never encounters an equivalent weapon from a peer opponent it can never be truly proven, yes.

>>96134493
So they just never figured out how to put them on a plane?

>>96134402
no. their technology is NOT backwards.

they traded their tech being super awesome at one thing, for deleting planned obsolescence and every fucker who wants it, forever.

If you buy a federated autorifle for your security. 300 years later the securities great great great whatever will still happily be using the federated autorifle you bought.

that would be like the fucking Winged Hussars still being the world's premiere cavalry unit, actually effective in battle to this day.

>>96134478
a battlemech is putting out ecm and eccm so hard as standard that infantry get melted standing too close to them for longer than a few seconds because of all the hard radiation etc they shit out. and the aforementioned multi ton ecm eccm units necessary to have 'proper' capabilities over that basic level ever mech is shitting out. that's why you have to drive and shoot the fucking things with the DI. its why you aim your lrm's etc with a ccip instead of everything getting locks.

>>96134522
The active camouflage is less effective the faster you're moving, so it's basically useless for aircraft even if it was compatible. I'll remind you we don't have that kind of active camouflage in service with any military on earth right now at all.
NSS and CLPS are only compatible for battlemechs. basic and heavy ECM are compatible with everything else.

>>96134478
Nope. No stealth systems here.

>>96134538
This guy has it right.

Battletech’s technology is actually very advanced, it’s just that nobody knows how to use it. It’s like in WW1 or the American Civil War, when they invented machine guns and rifles, but you still had soldiers walking across the battlefield slowly. Nobody in Battletechs understands the implication of their own technology, they’re still in the feudal medieval mindset where everything is just duels between knights.

How does being 5/5 feel?

>>96134564
How does chameleon and void sig work in double blind?

>>96134601
The visual detection range table I included is actually from the double-blind rules. Here's the ECM detection modifier table. As you can see, void sig and null sig make sensor detection almost impossible. +7 for void sig on 2d6 means that even at point blank range, it's almost impossible to spot the mechs with those systems, since when you're making a sensor check, 9+ is automatic failure to detect the target. Which means that if you've just got standard mech sensors, you need to roll snake eyes to detect a void sigg'd mech within 12 hexes, and even a single light woods hex between you and the void sigg'd mech makes the sensor check an impossible roll. So even in clear daylight you can't spot the thing visually beyond 15 hexes, and it's nigh-impossible to detect it on sensors unless you've got a REALLY good active probe.

>>96134344
DFA! DFA!!!

>>96134402
>The fact that nobody in Battletech can fix a simple GPS is prove of how technologically backward they are.
You do realize for a GLOBAL positioning system to work, you need clear line of sight to four Satellites, right?

>>96134548
>a battlemech is putting out ecm and eccm so hard as standard that infantry get melted standing too close to them for longer than a few seconds because of all the hard radiation etc they shit out.
They aren't...
That's Dev cope of the WORST grade.

>>96134706
>That's Dev cope
How so?

>>96134478
Lurk more newfag. In addition to everything that's already been brought up, we even have fucking infantry scale invisibility suits. They aren't quite Harry Potter's infamous cloak, but they still make for nightmare fuel for any PBI defending some key installation. You even get BA like the Nighthawk or Achilleus suits that can use the tech.

>>96134716
Manic argues based on how he thinks the setting should work, do not engage.

>>96134724
Yeah, Battletech is actually a lot like Dune where the factions have advanced technology, they just don't understand how to effectively utilize it.

>>96134548
Wait, if mechs shit out so much radiation wouldn't a radiation-chasing missile be able to track them? How you gonna throw off such a missile?

>>96134848
Any form of tracking can fail if the target it's tracking is in an area saturated heavily enough with whatever it uses to track.

>>96134848
If every mech is putting that off it doesn't really help for accurate aim. Not to mention the radiation given off by the weapons.

>>96134548
If that's the case then battle armour wouldn't be able to mount omnis or make Anti-mech attacks as the radiation would prevent them from getting close. Even pilots and techs wouldn't be able to get close to powered on mechs and the pilots would need to wear a properly enclosed suit rather than a vest with ice packs and a pair of speedos

>>96134478
The Exterminator, Purifier, Bolla are a mech, battle armor, and vehicle, respectively with stealth systems. The first two have active/memetic camouflage systems, aside from ECM..

>>96134988
Battle armor is mostly immune to radiation.

>>96134716
>How so?
>>96134872
>Any form of tracking can fail if the target it's tracking is in an area saturated heavily enough with whatever it uses to track.
>>96134988
>Even pilots and techs wouldn't be able to get close to powered on mechs and the pilots would need to wear a properly enclosed suit rather than a vest with ice packs and a pair of speedos
Exactly.

>>96135149
The insides of the battlemech have very strong radiation shields to protect them from their own ECM.

>>96135179
Do then what happens to the other mechtechs in the bay when the mechs are powered on?

>>96135253
nothing because, by dint of not being retarded, they clear the fucking bays before the mech goes hot.

>>96135266
They're not going to clear all the bays for a single mechtech to power on the mech to make sure the couplings they fixed to register the large laser on the tarcom. And they're not going to clear the bays in a combat or near-combat environment when every minute the mechs aren't being repaired is a minute they could be fighting lost

>>96135299
enjoy your cancer then, retard.

>>96135315
Sure anon, I'll be having all the cancer from the XXL engines I never use because they are as retarded as you

post your painting from today.

>>96135299
They have automated repair-bots that can repair the mechs for them.

>>96135359
You need to water it down a bit more, or use less chalk.

>>96134739
Battletech is literally the same technology base as Macross but used in hideously inefficient ways to the point that they are centuries behind in capabilities.

>>96135370
Sure they do. And I'm the real Thomas Marik

To that anon who asked about my boots the other day

bonus panty shot

>>96135446
They have AI, it would be trivial for them to create automated repair bots.

>>96135461
Show me in a novel where they use repair drones in a mechbay environment. Bonus points if it's a Confederation mechbay

>>96135472
I said they could, didn't say they did.

>>96135485
Then stop being retarded

>>96135490
>Then stop being retarded
It's Kraken, they can't...

>>96135359
>>96135447
>>96135454
Kill yourself.

>>96135532
>yourself
*herself

that's not a very nice thing to say anon. you should try to be nice!

>>96135550
Defective male.

clensing the thread with battle pics from today

>>96135610
We also had a 1v1v1 solaris match later, a Royal Crab hit both sensors on the unpainted Locust and then I backstabbed the Crab, leaving the other Locust as easy prey.

Half done printing a Confederate Dropship, managed to make it fit 2 lances at mech scale, custom STL.

>>96135643
The upper storage level is removeable, some bigger mechs don't fit nice with it in.

>>96135649
Dropped this.

>>96135643
>>96135659
that's really cool anon, the fire base under the warhammer is really well done

>>96135643
that classichammer is fucking neato.

>>96135690
>>96135770
>classic
Actually its a custom frankenhammer, the one shoulder is an atlas skull.

>>96135803
Fuck's sake.

>>96135806
>>96135803
those really are frankenmeching. hard.

>>96135550
Those were very cute boots anon. I approve.
**And thank you for gendering me correctly. :3**
>>96135610
I'll never understand people wanting to mark their mech sheets with pencils rather than spending the 5 extra dollars to get plastic sleeves so you can just use dry erase markers and never have to worry about constantly reprinting mech sheets.

>>96135970
You know you can erase pencil, right? Just mark lightly, and you can reuse them pretty much indefinitely.

why the fuck are the alphabet fags always so desperate for attention

Finished my company of Liao Hussars. Well I need to put decals on but otherwise theyre done.

>>96136079
They require external validation because of their inability to self-actualize. Theyre mentally and emotionally weak.

I have purchased too many mechs. I own like 40 now.

>>96136462
>40
>too much

Lmao

>>96136462
you are like a little baby. I am convinced you're baiting to get MCA or some one to post their walls of mechs

>>96136589
I'm at work and don't have a picture of my storage racks handy, but have this instead.

>>96136462
Find another player autistic enough to run a battalion-level game against.

>>96136462
Buddy, don't worry about it. I've still got several hundred more minis to add to this list. And this doesn't include a single 3D print of mine.

Hell, most ebay lots I've bought are between 20-70 minis.

I've decided to paint up the mechs from the starter box in different paint schemes as testbeds for when I end up actually putting a coherent formation together.

As you can see on the locust, I've tried doing a tiger stripe camo, but it's not that well visible on camera or in-person for that matter. Also, it took me several hours to paint it, with a good 3/4 of that time just trying to get the camo right, so I'm hoping for something:
-Quicker to paint
-More visible at the scale

The Shadow Hawk got painted in a grey-bluegrey-black colour scheme roughly in accordance to armour coverage, but combined with the wash I think it turned out quite dull. I'd probably have better results just painting the whole thing grey and washing it with a few highlights as panels.

I've basecoated the rest for now, my colours of choice being those that came in the VA and AK sets for soviet tanks and aircraft.

>>96136079
Their entire identity is a product of industrial capitalism, its a commodity to be bought and sold and conspicuously consumed like a new expensive meal or car

>>96134476
It's not that admech can't do research, they see it as a waste of time. Since a piece of technology you find buried in the ground in millennia ahead of your cutting edge research.
So instead they focus all their effort to find as much old tech as they can, and if they find full Standard Template Construct library then everyone is screwed.

>>96134402
If you want to spend money on positioning dozens of satellites that enemy aerospace will take potshots at that's your call.

>>96137390
There's also a religious element to it. The Admech believe all knowledge comes from Omnissiah (the Machine-God) and STCs are how he reveals technology to the worthy. Inventing stuff on your own is seen as playing god, since if the Omnissiah intended people to use that technology he'd have given them the STC for it, and if he hasn't it means he doesn't want people to use it.
Though it's not that Admech doesn't do any research. They're fine with iterating on tech they have, like trying to figure how to increase the power output of their generators or production rate of their factories, since making technology work better is seen as bringing it closer to the platonic ideal Omnissiah represents, and if they have incomplete STCs they might try figuring out the missing pieces so they can build it like the Omnissiah intended.

>>96137012
Even dull single color schemes can pop out a lot once you give them a good drybrush and/or edge highlighting. One thing I like doing but don't often because its difficult and prone to messing up is some wet blending of primary colors stroking down, it gives a nice feeling of wear and age. Figure out what schemes you really like and put your effort on making those look good regardless of how dull or outlandish they may be.

>>96137425
They don't even have to do that. Any unit with 4 or more tons of comms gear can scan for and connect to the satellite and spoof/hack it. All Large Craft (meaning dropships) are considered to have 7 tons of communications equipment by default. Spoofing your defensive GPS for their side to use is something every Leopard in the galaxy can do, plus mobile HQs. Don't rely on satellites.

>>96138918
No wait, dropships only get 3 tons by default.
Still, mobile HQs are not that rare, and adding one more ton of comms gear to a dropship is not that hard.

>>96138937
Especially since it can be treated as cargo by asf. Throw a one ton hacking module and a pair of mirror shades into your cargo bay and any dropship can start stealing data from satellites without even needing to get a refit installed.

>>96138945
Aerospace units in general, not asf. It's a component for everything else, but cargo for aerospace units. It's also considered "pre-spaceflight" level tech, so it's not rare or expensive.
Satellites bad.

>>96136079
Faggotry spreads like a parasite, if they keep to themselves they can't infect new hosts and faggotry would go away.

Finished printing the exterior, trying for a tray that can fit 4 combat vehicles above the mechs.

>>96139209
Nicely done. The compactness impresses me. Pretty smooth too. You using a .4 nozzle?

>>96139302
.25 nozzle
I'm also considering a light acetone wipe on the outside to smooth the panels, going to try it on a print failure first.

>>96139302
>The compactness
I spent days going through various dropship models trying to squeeze as many mechs as possible into the interiors but also not slicing them up into quarter-sections to fit on my build late because gluing that would fuck the strength.

Which clan mechs are common in the IS following Invasion, or to phrase it differently are there any that are for the most part tightly gatekept from IS? Trying to wrap my head around branching out into advanced equipment and mixing techs, and how to build forces in later eras.

>>96140126
The classic frontline omnis are available as salvage, especially those from Bulldog and Serpent. Later, the Sea Fox stuff they sell is easily available like the Madcat Mk II, Rifleman IIC 8 etc.

Otherwise, it's basically dependent on who you share a border with. Steiners have a lot of JF chassis access for example.

Restriction is basically Homeworld Nobodies. Finding a Pariah in a an IS force would be full on unicorn of unicorns.

There isn't enough space to put mechs on tge top level, but 8 mechs and 4 tanks is pretty good for a 6 inch sphere.