5 Man Band Edition

▶Previous thread: >>96040520

▶News: Next box is Deathwatch versus Necrons in an ItD-alike tomb world terrain set
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9lpgtcwy/the-big-summer-preview-deathwatch-kill-teams-descend-into-the-tomb-world/
▶News: Warhammer Heroes brings another elite team of Space Marines to the battlefield
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/msumipr2/warhammer-heroes-brings-another-elite-team-of-space-marines-to-the-battlefield/

▶Official Key Downloads, FAQs and Errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/kill-team/
▶Rules Scans
https://gofile.io/d/AinK04
▶Boxed Set Rules Scans
https://gofile.io/d/NWRByw
▶Brief team summaries if you are wondering who to try out next
https://files.catbox.moe/j4wen0.png
▶Homebrew teams by a kind Anon:
https://mega.nz/folder/RedyyTTZ#hNv1fp2Yocqg536MozmbyA

▶Official GW KT app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gamesworkshop.kt3
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kill-team-the-app/id6479447973
▶Game assistant websites (including rules)
https://kt3.albecortes.com/
https://ktdash.app/
https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team3/the-rules/core-rules/

▶TQ: Are 5 operative teams possible to balance in a good way, or are they too elite to be fun to play against? How will the introduction of these recent hyper-elite teams affect your teams?

All space marines teams should have five operatives
Its the only fluffy way to reflect their in universe strength in comparison with other units in the 40k universe
Five space marines should be more than enough to wipe the floor with 10-14 humans/eldar/orks/votann

>>96136806 (OP)
>https://gofile.io/d/NWRByw
yeah this link has no files anymore. i recommended uploading them to your main one, and not only didn't you there's one less there. way to fuck it up

Anyone here played volkus with the statue/compound siege?
How would you rate them?

>>96136806 (OP)
Anyone else interested in the necron team? doesnt seem like the coolest but i am all for new canoptec stuff.

>TQ
5 man teams should be possible to balance in an "accaptable" way. Not seen enough of raveners to say if they manages it or not.

>>96136806 (OP)
GW added a 6th marine to astartes teams in KT21 because one dude beign killed almost always meant losing the game against an equally skilled opponent playing for objectives.

But that was with Custodes in the game. Maybe giving marines more wounds helps to balance it and reward focus firing on careless marines

>>96137000
I hope for option to switch which Cryptek leads new necron team similar to how Hierotek Circle works and option to replace three weaker canoptek warriors with single canoptek wraith or use single canoptek spyder instead of two tomb crawlers. That would be the ideal team for me.

>>96136924
Maybe the first and second gofile links were provided by two different people?
Maybe the second person didn't want to pay for a premium account and the dickheads at gofile keep taking the files down?
Here's a mega link with the Typhon dossier/token/cards included, hopefully it stays up a bit longer. Please learn how to use capital letters/punctuation and try not to be a rude faggot when asking other people to spoonfeed you.
mega dot nz slash folder/0a10kTyb#Kro6lhFGnt9hmfuJCT3BKQ

>>96137069
I don't belive any of those options will be available but who knows. but that is kinda missing right? a team you can play elite or horde. or is there one? maybe warpcoven?

>>96137000
I like em, but a bit pissed that they reuse the accelerator and reanimator again
Also they seem to be one of if not the easiest team to paint besides maybe raveners

>>96137023
That was also back when we had 6 objectives
Now that we're down to 3 its a lot easier to score with fewer operatives

>>96137117
Well hierotec as well because necrons are easier to paint by default.

>>96137112
Blooded and Brood Brothers have similar options.

>>96137186
Nah, both horde or less hordy hord teams. Compendium was ddifferent.

>>96137118
Ah, good point. that makes sense

I'm hoping this means we'll be able to take some Death Watch veterans along with the Inquisitorial Agents team now.

>>96137345
That is a good joke.

>>96137349
It is only human to dream...

>>96137345
>Death Watch veterans
All these minis just got erased from KT and 40k :-(
we'd be lucky if they get legends rules

>>96137353
If you play joint ops you can make it true.

>>96137367
Some dreams are worth it.

>>96137404
I am all for "Every imperial team should be playable with inquisition" just understand that the little tweaks are just annoying to make and balance.

>>96137126
Yes but I think hierotek is harder to paint compared to the new ones

>>96137497
>just understand that the little tweaks are just annoying to make and balance.
Completely get that and I'm all for those tweaks being to the detriment of the Inquisition team. Style over substance every time so long as it looks cool and feels fun for both players

>tfw bought gallowdark a couple of days before the preview
a-aiiee...

>>96137525
You think so? i think the new ones with all the "glowing" bits look harder. especially making the bigger glowing parts look good.

>>96137588
regular hierotek also has glowing orbs aplenty (hell, a single deathmark has at least 5 glowing orbs on it not counting the head and the small shoulder ones), but also more gauss blasters and more phase blades
here you just have 1 cryptek that's about as difficult to paint as the technomancer/chronomancer and plasmacytes are imo much simpler than guardians or deathmarks
The only thing I dread about them is the geomancer's collar, I just know it's gonna be an absolute pain in the ass to assemble, paint and then transport without it snapping from a light breeze, might just trim it t b h

>>96137664
It is less about the number, painting small orbs is easy, the bigger the orbs the worse they look (at least for me). But you are right about the blades. But with the snapping i see lots of problems not only that, looking at all those weak supports and unsupported spread out legs from the warriors and ...tors.

>>96137345
you'll play space marines with allied inquisitors and like it

>>96137364
I think theyll add a new DW squad for this editon and itll be similar to like the legends phobos DW squad, where your new DW Vets squad is 1 leader, 0-5 DW Intercessors, 0-2 Phobos and 0-2 Heavy Intercessors

>>96136806 (OP)
>Claims to hate xenos
>Has to use the xenos weapons because they are clearly superior
oh no no no

>>96136835

I want to make a Tempestus Aquilins team using Helldivers proxy models.

How do they play? Is this a good idea or is there a better team to use?

Are they ever going to restock Typhon, I wanna get the terrain and the nids from it. Am I shit out of luck until the next set comes out and they'll release the typhon contents seperately?

>>96141061
ebay. tho the terrain is shit, idk why youd want it

>>96142341
want to make a diorama of an overgrown imperial outpost, having a capilary tower jutting out of it would be pretty cool

>>96142464
just diy that part

Played my first full game today
I was Nemesis Claw into my buddy playing Legionaries
We are both newbies
Stomped him 18-8 feelsgoodman

>>96136835
Has anyone played multiple games like this? Is it too much of a nerf?

>>96143615
Marines do not need to be nerfed in their current state IMO, they're balanced in most matchups
Next time I play my friend that only has pathfinders (without all the specialists) I'm going to try running 5 and see how that plays out

>>96141061
There is no restock of those sets. The components will be available individually when the next set is up for preorder.

>>96143615
its almost definitely too much of a nerf
some of the top marine teams like plague marines, legionaries or nemesis claw might still be okay-ish, but all the other marine teams are totally fucked

I need like a most fun to least fun tier list

>>96143657
tubers have a bunch of those

>>96137664

>>96144182
Need cute cryptek gf to turn my dick inside out with advanced physics manipulation

>>96144687
It is called a vacuum mancer.
(vacuum cleaner. disclaimer don't do that, that can be really dangerous)

Why wasn't this KT centered around necron destroyers? They could have at least updated the absolutely embarassing current model that we have been stuck with us since 3rd edition instead of giving us random tomb pets and pests alongside a snake lady

>>96145355
Because they're Terminator-level and don't fit into the setting?

So the new necrons are a 8 guy team where the chaff units respawn? Also they seem to be the narrative (npo) enemy (like tyranids where in the current box) because of warrior and scarabs on the promo pics?

>>96145387
5man for kill op, 8man in terms of mini count

>>96145436
Oh right they mentioned something like that. Probably weak as cultists or worse then. I wonder how that exactly is going to work.

>>96145359
>terminator-level
lmao, not even close
I played against them in HoR kill team for 7th edition back in the day, and they are
>gigafast flying units
>significantly tougher than terminators (albeit in terms of toughness stat rather than save) even before their living metal or reanimations
>carring gauss weapons that make immortals look like lasguns
Even in HoR a team of pure destroyers made for a 3 man team and that game operated on a scale around twice as big as current kill team including light vehicles
They'd absolutely bust KT's power curve

>>96136806 (OP)
LGS is throwing a friendly doubles tournament and a friend wants to learn KT to join
What's a good team to synergize with my hunter clade? Friend's having trouble picking one he likes more than the rest

>>96147363
Hunterclade has range and melee but does not eccel in any of those and is mid sized. What is missing might be something more tanky or with more mobility but nearly anything could be fine.

>>96146761
A single Hexmark could probably be a hard fight for an entire KT. Thinking about it I will probably try to stat it as a Npo for a narrative mission if I manage to start a narrative campaign

>>96140971
They are ok, after the buff they are middle of the pack team. They aren't obnoxious to play against like some other teams. But you need to aquire some sort of mobile turret/mini-tank, it's integral part of the team

>can only build two of the three Heavy Intercessor options
dang it

>>96149050
I'm gonna convert/proxy the AoD guy

>>96149146
Yeah that probably makes the most sense to do.

>>96149050
Just buy a loose heavy intercessors. Guy one is the frag cannon, guy two is the infernus heavy bolter, and guy three is just a heavy bolt rifle.

>>96144182
cute, may do that chin with mine

Ayo, what's up with this nigga's helmet
Deathwatch more like Tardwatch

Here's hoping we get ksons next. Would be fluffy having them delving a necron tomb for esoteric lore while someone else tries to scrub it. Ooh maybe some automata led by a cyberwizard

>>96136806 (OP)
Why does the WS look like a negro

>>96136806 (OP)
About to play next week first game, running wrecka krew against nemesis claw.

Is the game well balanced?

>>96152094
no, but if you aren't playing against a friend who's gonna go easy on you, you're gonna get steamrolled anyway even if the game was balanced

>>96152195
Probably should of specified we are both new to killteam, both squads are painting projects. Was just curious if wrecka krew and nemesis claw are the same tier.

My bad

>>96152287
they are pretty evenly matched especially since you 2 are beginners
wreckas success is dependent on how lucky you roll but imo are easier to handle than nemesis claw
nemesis claw are, I think, stronger in general but also harder to play
So in the end it will most likely boil down to how good both of you are at tactics and how well you learn to utilize the tools given to you

>>96151944
That's just the MKX helmet viewed from the side and down, filtered slightly through an artist's style
Looks bad yeah but it's nothing unusual
There is good reason why people prefer other helmet marks almost universally

Mighty kill team veterans: is this an alright amount of terrain?

I'm trying to make a modular board that will look good and still be usable and fair to both players. Do I need more stuff on here? Less? More verticality?

The board is slightly outsized for KT so as to divide it up evenly but the play area will be standard. I've tried to accommodate drop zones so a lot of features are 3 or 6 inches from the edge.

>>96152841
I think it's perhaps a bit too sparse. More heavy terrain could be a good idea.
The real problem though is that what little big terrain pieces there are are concentrated in the corners. Couple that with the availability of vantage points in the drop zones and this is essentially a shooting gallery. It looks like it could be possible to reallocate the terrain so that it has a vetter distribution, but that would limit your options.
You'd probably also want to make sure there are at least two heavy terrain pieces shielding the drop zones (especially when vantage is available easily) to give teams somewhere to hide at the start. That means being able to allocate heavy pieces at a distance of 6" from the short edge or 3" from the long edge, depending on the setup.
Ideally it'd also be best to avoid placing terrain where objective markers should be placed, but that should be fudgeable.
Overall I think this would be quite fine by just adding a large amount of extra heavy terrain. It'd disadvantage shooting teams a bit, but the imbalance would be smaller than allowing ranged teams to dominate entirely.

>>96152904
Thanks anon, I suspected it might be a bit sparse - I'm more familiar with older editions of 40k which had longer sight lines.

The ruins are 3" from one edge and 6" from another and are intended to block LoS to drop zones so may just add another ruin or something to the bottom middle board.

Is it worth removing the walkway on the top right in combination wirh an additional ruin? That'd block most shooting out of that board segment and just leave the bottom left as a mostly open segment.

>>96152841
Similar to what the other anon said. Usually most important rules to follow.
LoS blocking cover for starting zones and a bit between (the container are a good choice but mabe a bit unevenly placed and the "bombsite" is practically useless and whoever has it on his starting site is at a disadvantage)
No Vantagepoints near the starting zone OR blocking them off so Vision is rather limited to specific lines and not the whole board (especially vantagepoints that have cover are a meanace for some teams)
So in the end, do something about the upper places like make then not movable on or block LoS. block off some more around or in the "bombsite" and maybe turn the two tiles on the right side a it around(or maybe blace them in the midde instead).
(foot note: if you play long table edges the one starting on the lower half has practically NO cover at all)

>>96152841
Light visiualization how uneven and weak the Los breaking cover is. (red for up down, blue left right)

>>96153146
>>96153319
Thanks, some fiddling with containers and board rotations later and we're here. The sections can be moved independently.

If I put some LoS blocking stuff around the red lines would that do it do you think? Got a bunch more cranes, buildings and servohauler sets I can use.

>>96153637
Help if I attached the image

>>96145355
Troop-type Destroyers don't exist, but probably should – they could make a viable killteam. Everything else in the Destroyer range is too much of a brick and would probably work better as a bossfight than anything else.
Light Triarch robot-ninjas might also work.

Which team is the most newbie friendly?

>>96153781
warpcoven, wyrmblade, chaos cult

>>96153781
Probably angels of death
They're in the starter set for a reason

>>96153781
Newbie friendly teams are either ork teams, angels of death, legionarys, deathguard, kasrkin, death corps.
warpcoven wyrmblade and chaos cult are not that newbie friendly. buying them is a hussle already and that is probably why the other anon named them.

>>96153649
Would definitly be helpful but the "bombside" would still be way to open.

>>96153781
Plague marines, angels of death, or orks
Any other answer is lying
Legionaries arent even that easy because you have to customize and keep track of their marks which might be too much mental stack for a noob
The first anon who mentioned warp coven is trolling and specifically mentioned difficult teams to fuck with you

>>96153781
Void-dancer troupe, mandarakes
Any other answer is lying/trolling

I wonder, since the next killzone is a necron tomb world, what other teams will fit in there thematically
New votann team seems almost guaranteed
Maybe some new inquisition/rogue trader team
Since we just got new Admech another team is very unlikely, however it might be possible we'll see a Dark Mechanicum team, considering how pariah nexus turned out
Maybe some new eldar/deldar team but I don't feel like they fit into a tomb world and there's already 5 of them

>>96154094
Where would you put the LOS blocking on the bomb side?

>>96145355
>the absolutely embarassing current model that we have been stuck with us since 3rd edition
Hey, that was the first 40k model I every put together. Take that back; they're beautiful and in the 2000s they were an impressive miniature. Desiring an update is one thing, but these are not embarrassing in the slight.

>>96154606
Pointless to troll noobs
Troll veterans instead shithead

>>96155610
yeah bro, stop trolling noobs with your bait team picks, it ain't funny

>>96153781
Plague Marines and Legionaries are in first place; easy peasy to play, but with a lot of good resources. It's hard to learn the game and the strategy in it with 2APL teams.

>>96155590
Your nostalgia doesn't make it good

>>96153781
As someone that started with mandrakes, NOT them

>>96153693
>Troop-type Destroyers don't exist, but probably should

How would you even make them? The whole point of destroyers is that they turn themselves into war machines. Flayed Ones would be a lot more appropriate honestly

How do you fight blades of khaine as Phobos?

Newnigger secondaryfag interested in learning kill team here. I like Grey Knights, Necrons, Tyranids, and Craftworld Eldar.
I've read https://ageofminiatures.com/kill-team-faction/ to get a basic idea of current packaged kill teams and the Compendium's Kill Team operatives, but I guess what I'm really wondering is which of the above should a newnigger get if his main exposure to 40k up till this point has been video games and he is just stepping his toes into tabletop skirmish games?

>>96158525
angels of death and pretend theyre gay knights

>>96158525
If you're completely new and coming in from video games, then consider trying out the game using Tabletop Simulator first
That way you can get start to learn the system and get a taste for what its like without dropping a bunch of money and time on models, terrain, painting etc first

As for the factions you mentioned, they do all have teams in the current edition with the exception of grey knights (though as the other anon suggested you could just proxy grey knights models using the angels of death rules for a start). However do be aware that Necrons (Hierotek Circle), Tyranids (Raveners), and CWE (Blades of Khaine) are all more advanced teams that might not be particularly newbie friendly. There is also an eldar Corsair team if thats close enough to craftworlders to satisfy you, and they're pretty well rounded.

>>96158633
>>96158668
Is the Kill Team Compendium a 'different version' or something? I got the impression that you have the Kill Team Core rulebook that establishes the basic rules, and then the Compendium is basically just an aid to use to convert any 40k tabletop figures you have from playing the wargame into Kill Team operatives, which was interchangeable and mutually exclusive with formalized prepackaged kill teams like the Blades of Khaine and Hierotek Circle sets you mentioned. Am I wrong?

>>96158745
The Compendium was released at the start of the previous edition in 2021 as a way to make existing 40k models playable since the game barely had any bespoke teams available at that point.

As of Oct 2024 there is now a new edition in which the compendium has been deprecated in favor of the larger number of bespoke kill teams now available.

Its also worth noting that nearly all of the old compendium teams were pretty underpowered compared to 'proper' bespoke teams that released later as they were essentially released as a stopgap measure.

GW does now host all the team rules on the warcom site for free in this new edition, and you could also check out any of the game assistant sites listed in the OP which will have both the new core rules and team rules.

>>96158745
>>96158767
This, unfortunately GW is retarded and incapable of making half decent decisions most of the time so they got rid of the GK killteam in the new edition, if your group is causal enough it probably isnt too hard to just update and homebrew whatever rules you need to make them function in KT24, but honestly youre probably better off just running KR models as the angels of death killteam, termie with psylincer as heavy intercessor, maybe marines with hammers as the melee intercessors or something, itd be jank but you could make it work somehow

>>96158767
>Release a set of rules to get people into your new skirmish game line
>Release newer, more powerful teams later on, so their now-hooked fanbase feels compelled to buy them
>Release a new version in only a couple of years, but without the cool Compendium that allows you to use your wargame models interchangeably
And let me guess, the Kill Team models aren't even kosher for Combat Patrols or smaller point games? That would be the Jewish cherry on top.
Ugh. Not even interested anymore. Thanks for being honest though.

>>96159000
the models are legal in bighammer. its the only way to get space marine scouts, for example.

>>96159000
Nearly all the boxed kill teams are legal in bighammer in one way or another
But GW has moved from treating KT as a mere intro-drug to 40k, to treating it as its own distinct game line more along the lines of something like Necromunda

>>96159010
>>96159018
Somehow not being able to use a Compendium to make a relatively fairly matched set of combatants really rubs me the wrong way. I think it's because I was kind of excited about making a "custom" set of operatives. Yeah I get that all you're really doing is picking from a very limited list of options, but I still really liked the idea of it. Especially because I like Grey Knights and there's not much to do with them in the "bespoke" kill teams other than just pretend you've got psychic space marines.
Is an updated Compendium even on their radar?

>>96159182
> Is an updated Compendium even on their radar?
Compendium is fucking dead and not coming back
Nobody’s stopping you from playing kt21

>>96159182
Gk should get a new bespoke team any minute now. Annnnny minute now. I'm sure it's right around the corner.

>>96158858
They barely supported compendium even in KT21 so why are you crying it got dropped

in legionaries - the nurgle mark of chaos is the worst one, right? i could maybe see it on the balefire acolyte but tzeentch still looks better for severe on all those ranged weapons

>>96159194
>>96159276
Bummer
Anyway, thanks again for the honesty

>>96159182
>>96159338
look into 4th ed kill team

>>96159182
You could play Warpcoven but as Grey Knights. The rules are essentially for psychic space marines.

>>96159506
all that's left is to find GK tzaangors

>>96159527
You dont need to run Tzaangors in Warp Coven

>>96159554
tsons without tzaangors? preposterous
tbqh when they make the next tsons kill team they should just make a tzaangor kill team instead

Not a kt player but treated myself to the yaegir set, these guys are cool as hell might pick up a kasrkin team to paint afterwards

>>96159561
Only the sorcerer is required so you could play it as 1 sorc and 10 tzaangors

>>96143507
what were your team comps?

How do Exaction Squad plays? Are they a good team for beginners?

A small balance update dropped for a bunch of teams, also rules for severe and guarding changed
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/kill-team/

Total marine death. Marine teams gutted across the board. Lmfao, gonna bully so many piggies the next three months either Blades.

>>96160210
why?

>>96160210
>Marine teams gutted across the board
I'd hardly call this gutting though, a lot of these nerfs are pretty small
Which is appropriate, since marines aren't exactly gigastrong

>>96160030
>another update without kasrkin buffs
>hunter clade, which is already "kasrkin but what if they had the tools they need to function", can't stop catching buffs
The only reason this makes sense is that I also can't see a way of making kasrkin good without increasing the number of boxes needed to build them or making some insane changes
The breacher buffs are appreciated though, feels good to finally be back to an 8 wounds base team after a year

>>96160030
>hierotek circle's chronomancer can now only cast timesplinter from TP 2 onwards
Buncha fun ruining niggas
I fucking hate turning point 1 as it is already, all it fucking boils down to is just you and your opponent just move closer into engagement range under conceal and then all the fun and gameplay starts at tp2

>>96160210
>plague marines barely changed
get shat on

>>96155590
It's embarassing that they are charging full price for a 20+yo model, not the model itself. Besides there are other original necron kits that hold up way better too. Aren't the average crisis suits still the same from the 2000s

>>96160297
Timesplinter TP1 unavoidable alphastrike is right up there with surveillance grot and pre-nerf novitiate faith healing in terms of things that are not fun to play against.
TP1 being all about preparing for the future is a good thing.
I wonder if the ravener TP2 drop zone nuke will get a similar nerf at some point. I'm overall really eager to learn if that team is fun and/or balanced.

>>96160329
>ravener TP2 drop zone nuke
How does it work?

>>96160494
>place tunnel along own table edge
>extend 5" TP1 to a place that gives a lot of access
>store your venomspitter in it
>trick requires either that you have initiative TP2 or that your opponent can't shoot through your light cover concealment where that tunnel marker is
>TP2 starts
>extend tunnel 5" in desired direction
>use strategy ploy to pop your venomspitter out for free, in base contact with the tunnel marker
>activate, charge 9" since the burrow exit action didn't happen during its activation
>with this setup, your melee engagement range from your turn 1 tunnel marker is over 16" (5" tunnel, base size, 9" charge, 1" engagement range) (and you get to move through terrain for the first 5" since that's tunnel)
>this is far enough that you can reach into the enemy drop zone on wide maps, and almost up to it on long maps
>proceed to fight the enemy in melee and kill them
>now have a 3rd action where your venom spitter can turn around and fire its blast weapon on a suitable blob of operatives from your new position inside their drop zone
There are some caveats of course. Not as effective against marines because you don't kill them and can't blast multiple weak targets, and requires initiative or a safe placement. Your opponent can play to avoid it (though that means they start T2 in the far corners of the map so the threat alone would be worth it), or try to use equipment to block your access (although that can backfire by restricting their own access and you can adjust your tunnel to account for non-scouting equipment). Different maps will make it more or less difficult to pull off. Basically, in a lot of cases, it won't work because of circumstance.
WHowever when it DOES work, it lets you sacrifice one model to get probably a 3rd of the enemy team killed or severely damaged, or forces your opponent to start TP2 further back than most teams would usually deploy during setup. Picrel is one possible reach, just to illustrate how far you can go.

>>96160704
Thank you

>>96152841
Yikes, try playing on a good table without all those distractions

>just bought Nemesis claw
>nerfed to the ground
>literally unplayable now

>>96160829
Nah they're still decent, less chances to make mistakes though.

>>96160836
but now they're shootable by 2 extra inches! that's USELESS

>>96159279
Reading comprehension isn't this one's strong suit

>>96158525
People will absolutely hate on me for this, but if you're interested in Craftworld Eldar, then the Blades of Khaine box is fantastic. You can slot in Howling Banshees and Dire Avengers into the team later if you want, but you get extra ability charges if you play them all as a single aspect. All Striking Scorpions is basically a pure assasin team, so all of their abilities recolve around sneaking, hitting and running, and then massive spikes of damage for when it's time to kill someone proper. And with the nerfs to elites, they are potentially one of the stronger teams around currently.

They actually can be killed fairly easily if you leave them in the open, but they can score objective points easily, so they will teach you to play the actual objective based game well.

what are elf teams weak against? Specifically, bladdes of khaine?

>>96161091
astartes and dwarves

>>96161091
Anything that they can't assassinate down in one go. Death Guard are probably the easiest counter. Poison does the most damage against BOK because they have the lowest health and even with all of their combos and buffs up, the Elves might not be able to kill a full health deathguard; even with two attacks. Also, just read the fuck out of their aspect rules because that's where the bulk of their strength comes from. Try to make them pop their once per game ignore damage early if you can too.

>>96160030
brood bros magus nerf is annoying. he still seems like the best leader by far, so it's probably not going to encourage taking the others(especially since primus ALSO got nerfed for some reason) and I doubt the injury protection aura was that oppressive when 7 wounds 5+ saves aren't surviving most attacks anyway

>>96161021
feel like this is a way better 40k box than a kill team one, and 5 model aspect warrior boxes costing the same as 10 model troops is still insane.

>>96161145
BoK shit on plagues before the slate and now it’s not even close.

>>96159869
In short
>Use shields to get into combat and not fight
>Guns pick off targets from there
>Vigilants are garbage
They play to a theme, the theme is clunky but when pulled off feels very nice. They play very well into melee teams, elites are tough to fight against. Tough part is to be aggressive with the shields, while also keeping the shields alive long enough to keep the other specialists out of combat

>>96160210
Nemesis claw barely nerfed
All g

>>96161647
AW prices are absurd, especially with point costs in current 40k. should be 10 in a box and $10 more

>>96162199
all the 5 mans should be 10 mans in general
3 mans are a travesty and need to be brought to half price

>>96159527
Use Imperial Agents or Cawdor gang.

>Guy at LGS wants to use homebrew team
>Sends me a link
>mfw astartes with astartes statline gets to have 1-2 more guys than the actual baseline astartes
https://ossifiedsite.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/ktaod_v1.pdf

>>96162721
Least obvious aod shill

>Guy at LGS wants to play KT
>He means 7e
Abraham you are pissing me off that is nothing like Kill Team TAKE IT TO THE FUCKING 40K CHANNEL

>>96162721
Tell him that this homebrew is obviously only balanced to be used against itself
So unless you also have a 30k marine squad you wouldn't be able to participate

>>96159584
Yaegir's are rad and they play alright too. Kasrkin are pretty bad to play but have cool models

I just kitbashed a whole knightly squad for my OC donut steel chapter, and now duelist get's nerfed. I expected it to happen, but it still hurts. The main thing that hit hard is more the nerf to the sergeants. It feels like captain is now the auto take option for the most part. Does anyone know any good ways to convert a 32mm base to 40mm and back again? Any sellers for those slip on rings that used to be big for converting 28-32?

>>96160297
It's the right change, the only actually fucked part about Hierotek was the chronomancer. There's a bitchy guy on youtube who constantly complains about them reanimating with the kill op, but frankly if you focus down targets its not hard to kill almost everyone in Hierotek besides the cryptek

>>96163249
I just wish hic had any reason to take the other crypteks
They dumpstered the psycho a while back, and the new change to severe is an indirect nerf to the techno
So while they did reign in the chrono, he's still far and away the best option

>>96163294
Yeah, I personally like the technomancer since I like being able to heal but the severe nerf is such a retard change and indirect nerf to a bunch of dumb things

I have a question about smoke grenades. Reading the rules it looks like they grant obscuring if the shooter or the target is in the area of smoke, but without giving it if the area of smoke they create is between them instead. Is this correct? It doesn't sound very intuitive, but I couldn't manage to find any place in the rules that say the opposite.

>>96164914
Correct. In the new edition, smoke grenades only have an effect if you or the target are wholly within the smoke radius (and not within 2" of each other)

>>96164922
That doesnt make any sense at all
You can both be standing directly opposite the obscuring smoke, 100% of your body’s surface area fully obscured by it and still have perfect accuracy?

>>96165038
I get what you're saying. Areas of smoke worked something like that in the last edition but it was presumably changed for mechanical reasons

>>96165078
I’ve always treated it as being obscuring regardless
I’m not a serious player at all so I’ll keep doing it that way
Silly rule lol

should I sell the vespids and tempestus from my hivestorm box and buy the starter box with AoD and PM?

>>96165612
I mean like…
If you want?
Thats a personal decision lol

>>96136806 (OP)
>new deathwatch team
:)
>comes out in september
>:(

Are Mandrakes and Arbites relatively balanced against each other? A mate wants to get into 40k and those are the two I collected just for fun, he wants to try KT first but I haven't really played it

>>96167980
KT plays nothing like 40k so I'm not sure what will this accomplish and mandrakes vs exaction squad as a first game for both parties is a terrible choice

>>96168083
idk he wants to try a small-scale miniatures game first and likes the 40k universe, honestly i doubt he'll ever get into 40k but he might get into kill team

what 2 squads are better for that then?

>>96168083
>KT plays nothing like 40k so I'm not sure what will this accomplish
They'll get to know a better game instead

>>96167980
Mandrakes are one of the most positionally tricksy teams in the game and are balanced around what a skilled player can get out of all the subtleties of that advantage.
Exaction squad has a really unusual playstyle about stubbornly being in the opponent's face and brutally beating them up instead of killing them with something like plasma.
Additionally, both create their playstyles by making use of rules that change or ignore base game rules, meaning there is a higher chance of both getting rules wrong and getting a weird perception of the game.

If you want suggestions for what to use instead, check the summary image in the OP. I've been away for a bit so I haven't added the last 4 teams but for all the rest there is a rating for how beginner-friendly they are.

>>96168223
>what 2 squads are better for that then?
read the thread, somebody already asked about beginner teams a bunch of posts above

I'm hoping there is a dwarf enthusiast who can help me out. I'm starting a Kharadron Overlords army for AoS, but I'm not satisfied with the limited number of dwarf heads in their range. Between the Heathkyn Salvagers and the Hernkyn Yaegirs, which has more unhelmeted heads?

>>96168595
can't you just order some 3d proonted AoS heads from your local proontplug

>>96168766
I don't know where to find 3D printed heads, I'm old and stupid

>>96168791
based ancient zillionaire, buying full price GW kits just to get some extra bits for his other projects

played 2 games yesterday with some other friends who are also new to KT. used my legionaries vs kommandos and then pathfinders on Octarius. we played with reroll as the only strategem and skipped equipment + scouting.
I absolutely stomped them. granted, I was rolling hot and they were not, but was I just playing an easier, better team? were there rules we were likely playing wrong?

>>96169592
>we played with reroll as the only strategem
that probably kills most teams, especially vs stat blocks like marines

>>96169592
Trying using the Preliminary Ops rules in the core book to play some starter games without equipment/tacops
Ploys are a huge part of most teams toolboxes, and playing without them is not in any way representative of how the game actually works

>>96169737
>that probably kills most teams, especially vs stat blocks like marines
>>96169777
>Ploys are a huge part of most teams toolboxes, and playing without them is not in any way representative of how the game actually works
oh.

>Trying using the Preliminary Ops rules in the core book to play some starter games without equipment/tacops
was not aware of this, thank you. man, that book is horribly organized and not porting octarius maps feels more mean than lazy

>>96169800
For what its worth, you can really just play the Octarius terrain exactly the same as last edition with no issues
Maybe make the doors modeled into them Accessible if you feel like it

>>96169592
Definitely a combination of all of the above. Legionaries and kommandos are both beginner-friendly teams, pathfinders a bit less so. Even then, astartes teams are going to generally be more forgiving than teams with 10+ models.
Legionaries only use their ploys to enhance things they could already do, while kommandos need it for start of turn moves and just a scratch (a ploy that can singlehandedly turn any melee situation against them from a guaranteed win to a guaranteed loss).
Kommandos and pathfinders also both have equipment that act to broaden their teams' capabilities (kommandos can do some nasty harpoon shenanigans while pathfinders get to absolutely shit out extra markerlight tokens with them) while for legionaries it again just enhances what's already there a bit statistically.
Matchup isn't bad either.
If you, on top of all of that, also rolled better, you'd have to really mess up to not win hard.

>>96169818
>Maybe make the doors modeled into them Accessible if you feel like it
we did this and that was enjoyable. makes tracking LOS harder tho.

>>96170325
thanks for the thorough breakdown. ploys and equipment for sure next time.

>>96168223
Kommandos and maybe like Angels of Death, Plague Marines, or Scout Squad. Those are all teams that aren't too hard to wrap your head around. FWIW I started with Hierotek and it was confusing but still fun. I would go to the free rules on GW's site and just look at some teams that interest you, if you're really into it you can learn any team if you just focus on them

>>96168595
Salvagers. Almost all of the yaegirs heads are wearing various hats. There are only like 3 or 4 bare heads there.

>>96169592
So you didn't play kill team at all.