Death to Beastmen Edition

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>Previous Thread:
>>96127820

>Thread Question:
Which part of the Warhammer fantasy world interests you most?

>TQ
Just the winds of magic. Unless there is a
"millions must die" character.

>>96139607 (OP)
do you think that's lion pelt or manticore pelt?

>>96139607 (OP)
>Death to Beastmen Edition
no

>>96139607 (OP)
*Rape to Empire Women edition

>>96139607 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>Which part of the Warhammer fantasy world interests you most?
I'm a sucker for the worldbuilding elements that are instrumental to have the setting be an open kitchen sink, give me 200 tidbits of info about the world and it won't do much for me, give me one fundamental that can be branched into a hundred things and I'll get drunk on it.

>>96139607 (OP)
I like the Chaos Wastes, and the whole Path to Glory concept in general. I'd like more twisted kingdoms and citadels that spring up beneath the shadow of chaos.

>Which part of the Warhammer fantasy world interests you most?
Not the skaven which absolutely do not exist-exist.

>>96139607 (OP)
>Which part of the Warhammer fantasy world interests you most?
I was sucked into the generic fantasy with a twist.
Wizards,elves,orcs, undead but instead of medieval (excluding Bretonia) the humans are early modern.

Tbh I think it could have been explored more. Instead of cool Reformation conflicts, Luther Huss is like a minor reference.

>>96139725
This but unironically.
Skaven are shit. Worse than Cathay.
I write them off as a minor Beastmen faction. Like forest goblins in O&G

Which Army of Infamy makes for the most cool/interesting/fluffy looking army on the tabletop, would you say?

>>96139607 (OP)
The Chaos Dwarfs captivate me so much in everything from lore and aesthetics but I mostly just like how they're "ordered chaos". Like they have a society, industry, disciplined military, etc. They're not like the rampaging Beastmen or Chaos Warriors who'll just destroy everything, they have strategy and a meticulous way of doing things. If only they weren't so neglected by GW

Some progress on my rats

>>96139607 (OP)
>TQ
Empire, I just really like the Northern Renaissance aesthetic and WFRP's attempts at making it a somewhat working society, even if it fails a lot of the time

(one of the games I've played yesterday and didn't forget to take some pics) Years after a bunch of dwarves saved two empire noblemen an emissary of the old race returned to Stirland and asked for an aid. As it turned out, one of the sealed outposts in the border princess was opened and pilfered by undead from the southern lands. While gathering their forces, they did send a small party to take a foothold and disturbed accursed dead from which they could retake lands around the minor hold.

>>96139830
Most comfortable and soulful, anon.

>>96139738
This is probably a rather noobish question, but what i the difference between an Ink, be it acrylic or enamel, vs a Wash?

>>96139607 (OP)
>Death to Beastmen Edition
Meanwhile your spouse is giving birth to them, RAAROO!

>>96139830
While the undead shambled forward and sent volley after volley of arrows, they managed to massacre the young noblemen moving on the far right flank. Forces of men were slowed by the river and tried to bide their time and shoot in from the distance. Nevertheless undead which once crumbled stood up again over and over again. They were also much faster than anticipated by some foul magic tricks they performed. Finally, when the empire line moved forward, it was assaulted and had to stood it's ground. With the help of a Slayer (yes, I was running a Slayer hero instead of one of my own from the empire), they managed to secure the right flank and move into the center of the field. The river, which was slowing them down, became a natural obstacle that withheld the undead, and as soon as the knights managed to free themselves from the wild charge of the chariots, they managed to pincer the enemy. Unfortunately, the slayer didn't meet his doom. Both the priest and the tomb prince made a retreat to their main forces.

In the next game, we'll raise the points, and the Empire will be trying to break through the Tomb Kings lines.

>>96139808
Looks good.
Are those 25x25 bases (not the big one but the rest of them)?

>>96139800
Troll Horde.

>>96139904
What does the chaos tornado in the middle represent?

>>96139901
yup, 25mm and 50mm respectively

>>96139915
A surprisingly immobile chaos tornado.

>>96139878
They behave in a fairly similar fashion but an ink will tint any surfaces it touches much more heavily than a wash will, almost like a contrast

>>96139808
Would they fit on 20x20?

>>96139830
Sick.
I remember that dwarf gate from the terrain thread.

>>96139894
Dope report, board, and models. Keep it coming
>TQ
I love how all the areas meet, like my wood eleves are meadow glade kindred,protectors of the route between bretonnia and tilea on the vaults, and you can have conceivably fighting dwarfs, humans, orcs, gobbos, beastmen, chaos cults, delegations from Lothren and Cathay, even a Chorf/ogre/etc merc band. While schizophrenic at times, Fantasy does allow so many scenarios to sandbox

>>96139941
You could probably make it work, but they wouldn't fit comfortably. Some of their tails do extend quite far off their bodies.

>>96139972
Just to note, they protect the glades from people straying from the route. Which thus bring fantasy, ofc there's always some cockgobbler going "everyone that takes a shortcut through murder meadow dies. It's impossible and suicidal. But for us it will be fiiinnnneeee."

>>96139894
>With the help of a Slayer (yes, I was running a Slayer hero instead of one of my own from the empire),
Based and do whatever you want pilled

Should my infantry blocks have 15 or 20 minis at 1k?

>>96140075
that depends on the unit, there is no general rule

>>96140081
For stuff that isn't elite like chaos chosen but isn't super chaff like skavenslaves or goblins. Grave guard, veteran state troops, eternal guard and the like.

>>96139638
No one has to tell Beastmen to die.

>>96140091
I'd say, as a general rule, 6x3 for things that want to hit stuff like eternal guard and grave guard, 5x4 for blocks that just need to hold and use combat res.

I'm such a narrative-pilled fluffcel I asked my opponents if it's okay if I use some named characters in my list before handing him their background I wrote

>>96140176
kino, I always when possible want to string together a narrative when I play as well

>>96140176
this is sad because I know for a matter of fact that everyone appreciates the thought, but noone actually bothers to ask for anyone's else fluff, let alone read it, making handing out one's dudes unprompted somewhat automatically cringeworthy

You are put in charge by GW to actually try make Beastmen popular (by WHFB standards), how do you do it?

>>96140292
>updade their range with proper mintaurs
that shoud do it

>>96140292
Models that don't look like shit. They already have proper digitally sculpted gors and ungors ready to be used as templates, and good minos are as trivial as giving ogroids full cow heads.

>>96140292
More cool evil armour, scavenged shit doesn't look great.

>>96140292
put some real gruesome bits in there like human prisoners, sacrificial altars etc. Lean heavily into their degenerate nature

>>96140367
More scavenged shit, "cool" evil armor usually looks dumb.

>>96140292
More war beasts

>>96140411
The goal is to make them more popular, you're just doubling down on what makes them unpopular.

>>96140292
Move then away from cow/goat and more towards a whole managerie of freakish bestial creatures. Lots of head and arm customization.

>>96140292
Focus on no Empire beastmen (Naggaroth Beastmen, Southland Beastmen, Cathay Beastmen)

>>96140292
They are a literal NPC army. They exist to be chaff that is killed as more important characters and armies move from one city or town to the next. They have no real story or characters or goal or anything.
The only notable thing about them is the rape, and GW won't touch that with a 10000x foot pole and if they did, you would have a million seething Redditors and Youtubers talking about how GW is gross and exploiting "SA" trauma or some shit.

>>96140487
>>96140523
This is correct, the army is already quite distinct
Also new razorgors, harpies, hounds even some sort of creepy crawlies swarm etc could do a lot.

>>96140292
plastic centigors
updated minotaurs
plastic chariots
not!forsaken unit made of mini beastmen spawn with plenty of non-goat heads and atypical bodyplans
big plastic kit for an "ascended beastman" that can be built as either a version that resembles baphomet, or a version that resembles a vero version of a chaos spawn

copypaste of aos characterisation of beastmen as being generally scornful of the gods and their worshippers, who are respectively fake imperfect aspects of chaos and weaklings begging for favours, and instead worshipping TRVE amorphous chaos undivided

introduce plot hooks for assaults and goals that aren't the usual generic random battles, and examples of them doing stuff that isn't crashing against the wood elves or bretonnia and dying, possibilities for successful events include an invasion that sees them pushing past cathay's defenses and tainting their territory forevermore where it was once untouched, if this assault comes from the south it would be a good occasion to add a few more details regarding beastmen out of the old world, as well as giving beastmen bragging rights about having a major victory against the fire dragon.
another candidate for a fun piece of lore might involve the fantasy equivalent of 40k's war for octarius, in short an event between two monstrous factions with little interferences from the good guy factions with the plot armour to make the story end predictably, an ongoing conflict between beastmen and greenskins in the bloodlands creates the perfect chance for inspiring brutal fun, as well as setting the ground work to detail the interactions between beastmen and other races, with the orcs it might be one of genuine respect, enough to make the two rub together on momentary alliances, skaven sound like a perfect third element for them to bash on as a side treat
another promising location could be naggaroth, offering both dark elves and lizardmen, low on plot armor for beastmen to have new, creative interactions

>>96140600
>copypaste of aos
How'd that turn out mister Squat?

>>96139808
What's the deal with the huge base on the character?

has anyone on the internet made a broke man's guide to TOW? like, surely someone out there has crunched the numbers and worked out the most cost effective 2000 point army out there?

>>96140292
Female models. Unironically.

>>96139830
Cool Dwolf home.

I would say your terrain is not thriving with all of that raw milk chocolate brown on the finish. Flock would make it look better and less like open expanses of mud. Even just a lightening layer of paint so it look like dirt (flock still better tho).

>>96140367
bestigors and beastlords should have oldhammer chaos armor

>>96139607 (OP)
The Renaissance-esque era of the Empire, where there's guns and black powder weapons, past the filthy and dark middle ages, with medical knowledge starting to get traction, depsite being new and dangerous.

Also, this was the time forebears colonised America, so I get more out of it than with medival D&D

>>96140621
Infantry is on 25mm, which he is too big for, so I had to use the next compatible size to rank him up. It's gonna be a nice opportunity to do some elaborate basing

>>96140600
>not!forsaken unit
we have that already in the form of Warped Gors

>>96140730
He does fit on a 25mm

>>96140600
continuing

expand on them and their lore by using the successful approach already long tried and tested with greenskins, chaos, skaven and vampires: make up various subfactions each with their slightly peculiar theme and have them coexist in the same armylist.

extra mutated beastmen is one visual characterization, connecting with the importance of morghur and their trve faith regarding the amorphous original chaos
beastmen that are more in line with the 4 gods and their servants (shaggoth and fimir too) is another, making them visually specialising on the generic chaos warrior or marked look, rather than the more barbaric one
by drawing on the greek inspirations of beastmen I think there is space for a subfaction where they look equipped less like generic barbarians and perhaps more like bronze age warriors, maybe squatting on the ruins that dot the black gulf and the badlands
4th look could be one that's less about the equipment and more about the trinkets, and they could be visually distinct by having shamanistic vibes of north american redskins, with tattoos, extremely spiritual and (dark) magical, rather than focusing on raw physicality
5th group is the normal classical barbarian of the old world, hateful of civilisation in the extreme, more than the others, and pillaging and raiding both out of hatred for humans and out of sheer sadistic pleasure

once groups like these are established, there can be rules that can be made to reflect how a unit or list of one group should have different rules, or how there could be exclusive units, and so on new plot hooks and new characters

>>96140739
that's rules, I'm talking models there

>>96140739
which have no minis and desperately need something to them more than “forsaken but worse” and “gors but more expensive”

>>96140759
Not with his two little lackeys he don't, but that's a good way of solving it, too

>>96140761
faction theming is easy, just introduce god-aligned beasts and re-introduce pestigors, tzaangors, etc…
(unfortunately this cannibalizes AoS) but atm you can’t buy nurgle or khorne gors anywhere so start there. taurox leads a khorne faction, slugtongue a nurgle one, etc. (hear me out) if you really want to sell models invent a big titted cow woman and have her lead a slaanesh faction

>>96140818
>Big uddered, with blind midget pig men crawling across her fur, trying to get that delicious, delicious pus-infested milk.
Better off with nurgle I suppose

>>96140818
the problem with sticking only to the 4 gods is that it doesn't make beastmen more popular, it only cements them as npc tools for the more popular god aligned mortals, it's certainly something that's nice to have, since historically it has been a thing for warhammer, and they can and should bring back the god aligned beastmen models, but I feel beastmen also need stuff that can be more properly uniquely theirs.

>>96140623
There isn't much demand for such a thing considering TOW is already much cheaper than GW's other games. Buying two battalion boxes and a character box is generally enough to get you >=2000 points and is like ~$400 USD

>>96140730
Have you experienced or thought about how that works in-game?

Do you consider him himself + 3x of whatever infantry he's joined?

Not asking to criticize or bitch. I hate autistic pedants and wysiwygnazoids. But I'm working on new Skaven models for TOW right now too, and trying to anticipate problems and quirks.

Just today I learned that there's no shot the new Warp Grinder fits on a cavalry base. Might just fit on a 50x50.

>>96140600
>copypaste of aos characterisation of beastmen as being generally scornful of the gods and their worshippers, who are respectively fake imperfect aspects of chaos and weaklings begging for favours, and instead worshipping TRVE amorphous chaos undivided

Anon that's already their lore.

>>96140956
He's himself + 3 clan rats or storm vermin, should be simple enough. That being said, I'm not too concerned with rules conformity in general. I do this mostly for the hobbying and to keep my hands off the keyboard.

>>96140623
You can pretty much make one WoC battalion 2000 points if you convert a bit. Or two old Ogre spearheads.

>>96140956
Oh, I'll be doing the warp grinder soon as well. I'll post it here once I've decided how to base it. Might end up using a 50x50 to give it some space to breathe.

>>96140950
>~$400 USD
>Cheaper
Damn. I didn't know things had gotten that bad.

>>96140623
WoC battalion, ogor spearhead, wood elf, then the bretonnian/tombking boxes, are all easy 1200 to 1500pt lists up to 2k with some kitbash conversions
Really the only army you couldn't get to 1500-2k for under 300 dollars is orcs and gobbos or empire. And then we have a very healthy 3rd party system and 3d printing culture so you can get very, very cheap relative to 40k

>>96139607 (OP)
>TQ
Cathay

>>96141087
Yeah I feel like you can push that way cheaper once you get away from the "official model" tax.

And it's not a lot of money in the first place considering the hours and hours of hobby time this is going to result in

Should I just get soulblight gravelord's minis for vampire counts? I live in a small euro country so there aren't many people selling old VC stuff and those that do are selling it for way too much money.

Will the aos minis fit the smaller square bases?

>>96141133
It’s an expensive hobby for those who buy boxes and never do anything with them. Which is a surprising number of people. For those that clean, assemble, paint and play with each purchase. It’s pretty reasonably priced considering say a battalion can easily take 40-50 hours to complete at a decent pace.

>>96141185
>Will the aos minis fit the smaller square bases?
Poorly.

>>96141189
Yeah this, hoarding boxes is not a hobby, it's being a whale

>>96141214
fuck my life

>>96140959
I'm relatively sure that is not their lore in fantasy, unless they have added it with tow, then by their older armybooks they were always the misbegotten children of chaos who will never be particularly cared for by the gods because they have less agency.

Has the GM’s guide for TOW RPG come out yet?

It's crazy that basically all physical traces of the old skaven packmasters/rat ogres/giant rats kit has disappeared off the face of the internet. I just wanted some of the plastic packmasters, but it's like every single model got dumpstered or melted down.

>>96141114
Yeah like even myself who's not a diehard anti GW find about half my army, and my opponents, are a Mix of kitbash, recasts, and 3rd party. People are just far more relaxed and like >>96141189 says old world is a bit more involved so people are willing to spend the time, research, and money to help get an optimal army. Unlike 40k where it's just FOTM and waacshit so often with insane costs.

>>96141214
Jeez they are huge, has anyone tried the new dragon yet? I love that sculpt but it looks unplayable at first glance

>>96141214
They probably actively make this the case btw to prevent cross use.

>>96139808
If I knew you I would genuinely think less of you for owning that warlord model

>>96141231
Nope I would expect it sometime this week. C7 doesn't have much else in the release schedule at this point

>>96141270
I think it's the second best GW ever produced. Granted, it's no queek headtaker, but it has its own charm. Pretty much what I've imagined a warlord with fellblade to look like, plus some nice details with his lackeys carrying his scabbard and pistol.

>>96141264
It's just scale creep. I had to mark the bottom of my Chaos Knights bases that I use as Chosen so that they can rank up.

>>96141311
You should not have the right to vote or drive a car.

>>96141270
>If I knew you I would genuinely think less
even less than you're capable of thinking now?

>>96141349
>we made the bases bigger to accommodate the figures
>here's new figures that already don't fit on the new larger size
GW is obnoxious some times. Many times.

>>96141365
Guess I'm lucky your opinion is of no consequence then

>>96140292
Include Fimir. Make them way more chaotic in mutations (though this is required for all chaos factions desu, one where GW stuff gets mogged by games like Kingdom Death). Make them way more genuinely terrifying monsters in general.
Skaven and Orks have comedy to them, where Beastmen should be nothing more than evil rape murder machines that hide just beyond the treeline.

>>96141229
Beastmen generally looking down on "organized chaos" worship has always been a thing. The different God-gors have always been the black sheep (ha) of beastmen herds and only show up once the individual gods become powerful enough to directly influence beastmen. That's why in TOW they only get access to chaos undivided and shamans get access to the lore of beasts instead of the lores of chaos. They seek to execute the will of chaos in its pure, chaotic form not for ulterior motives like power or to play the great game or to get a specific God's favor.

You never see beastmen demon princes or "ascended beastmen" because they don't seek to become more than they are because what the already are is all they want.

>>96141270
Post models

>>96141214
I mean the only one that looks egregious is the second from the left but, (assuming that's the back hoof on the base there) it looks like you may have just glued it too far to the front of the base.

>>96140920
i think it would actually make them more popular, people love the color-coded monogod shit
and "god-aligned" doesn't have to mean "tools", 40k shows this off nicely by having the traitor primarchs have their own agendas and personalities even though they're owned by different gods

>>96141270
>AoS bad, buy my etsy proontings

>>96141383
The chaos knights aren't new anon

>>96141214
Are those 25x50mm bases?

>>96141467
That's more in reference to the Bretonnian and Tomb King characters they showed when TOW was shown.

>>96141434
>Beastmen generally looking down on "organized chaos" worship has always been a thing. The different God-gors have always been the black sheep (ha) of beastmen herds and only show up once the individual gods become powerful enough to directly influence beastmen
If that's always been a thing then I don't know where it comes from because it's definitely not from their armybooks, both of them never bring up this scorn towards the gods or their mortal followers and go at length about how the beastmen are utterly in thrall of the gods and seek and receive blessings the same way of the normal chaos champions, while being less regarded because it's their nature to serve chaos so it's not fun to taint them.

Every time I read the lore that anons dump here, I’m always glad I picked up green skins, because holy shit it can’t get dumber than them.

>>96141570
Greenskins are actually the most intelligent and self fulfilled race. Only fools think otherwise.

>>96141570
To be fair, it's mainly chaos that's massively gay due to a few writers' weird obsessions.

>>96139830
> Fully painted armies
> Great terrain
SOVL and KINO

>>96141525
I would have guessed WFRP, but that game has Beastmen teaming up with Tzeentch cults like the Red Crown to overthrow the Empire, so I'm not sure it's from there.
maybe Liber Chaotica and Realm of Chaos

>>96140292
New chariots, razorgors, centigors, minotaurs, and each of those respective hero options.

>>96141670
I doubt it, realm of chaos had them walking the path to glory pretty interchangeably with the other chaos champions.
It still had minotaurs as humans mutated as a reward for protecting a chaos shrine.

>>96141688
So probably Liber Chaotica, then or some BL book like Beastslayer.

>>96141733
Or you thought it was canon while it never was until aos.

>>96141761
No I was a different anon that was trying to give the original anon the benefit of the doubt

>>96141227
The metal Blood Knights were impossible to rank up nicely too. Not missing anything in that particular case.

>>96141026
Unfortunately it looks pretty bad on a 50x50 too. Either the front wheel or the back wheels hang off the base.

>>96141311
Ewww. The model overall is ok, but that sword is an absolute travesty. Unusable and stupid-looking, pure videogame shit.

I refuse to crack an AoS book, is that actually supposed to be the Fellblade? That's even more retarded. To give a human a sword like that to fight with.

Mother Stank when?

>>96141270
You're a faggot nigger with no friends

>>96141817
Gotta admit, I was this close to shaving that thing down to a biggish sabre, might still do it. I have no clue about his lore, it just struck me as the most likely inspiration.

>>96141841
If it's supposed to be a warpstone or daemon blade, it's not really anything that strange for a chaos weapon.

Slayers and Doomseekers will be getting new plastic kits alongside the upcoming AJ

>>96141851
Not strange, but maybe a bit over the top. I like practical, cruel weapons for skaven, like dwarf gouger or the serrated blade from that artwork in the 6th ed. army book's eshin story.

>>96141897
Wouldn't they have been shown off with the new Tomb King characters then?

>>96141905
Not necessarily. The reveal streams don't show off everything coming in the next three months, they need to save some stuff for Warcom reveals.

>>96141817
>>96141841
>>96141851
It's not THE fellblade, but it's got a verminlord trapped inside. Since krittok is one of the few skaven to actually manage to live to ""old"" age he's relatively frail and has to constantly bargain with the trapped demon to lend him strength in return for months/years being reduced from the verminlord's imprisonment.
I'm gonna say it : I like it

>>96141962
That's actually kinda cool

>>96141911
If GW had full brand-new Slayer sculpts to show, they would have shown them at the reveal event and left the Tomb King character for the War Comm article, as that would have been more hype for the new Arcane journals.

I wonder how that conversion aspect of the AJ is going to look like. It sounded so 90s that I thought I misheard at first.

>>96141994
i almost guarantee you the AOS trannies threw a hissy fit at the idea of their new chaos dwarfs getting mogged by new plastic slayers
so they got punted.

>>96141670
>I would have guessed WFRP, but that game has Beastmen teaming up with Tzeentch cults

Beastmen working with organized chaos doesn't mean they're part of it lol or that every beastmen every where thinks and does the same things. All you need to do is look at the prominent characters in beastmen.

Morghur is seen as the epitome of beastmen and one of the few depicted to actually be revered by beastmen far and wide. Described as the "incarnation of disorder and pure chaos" in the 6th edition army book for beastmen.

There's Khazrak and gorthor who are solely motivated by their hatred of civilization. And despite being the closest thing to champions of chaos that Beastmen, they bear no gifts besides what they made or took from dead men.

Even the most devout beastman shamans malagor pays no specific favors to a god and doesn't make use of their magics.

Even characters that seem to be aligned to a specific God's like taurox aren't actually blessed by or specifically worship a chaos god, just the chaos gods in general.

>>96142094
It's funny you mention Khazrak as one of your examples, as WFRP has the Red Crown get him into power in the first place and are his backers

>>96142142
WFRP also has black people in the empire, so let's not get too excited

>>96141994
The Votaan, Chorfs, and new Space Marines were more than enough to get a lot of buzz about the stream. By holding back the Slayers until later they can get another big pop of buzz next month too.

And it lets the influencers make annoying "Year of the dwarf?????" videos that won't get lost amidst the immediate reaction to the reveal stream

Spreading it out is just good marketing sense.

>>96141244
Seen it done a couple times, it just about fits on the big zombie dragon base size

>>96141383
I think those are AoS chaos knights so not applicable, but absolutely applies to the Bret foot knights

>>96141214
About the same as black knights/hexwraiths, maybe even better. The bases are simply way too small for 28mm horses.

2k points game today. Ogre kingdom won (and I lost) 1390 to 800.

Tons of fun very swingy game with plenty of moments when the situation completely changed in favour of the other side.

I made some choices for fluff and laughs that probably helped me losing the game (also Ogres are really hard hitting and tough to crack)
but my opponent was a great sport and both of us had a great time.


My artillery did very well and for once in 20 years of hobby my demonslayer died a glorious death doing an shitton of damage. One unit of thunderers held off against charging mournfangs.

>>96142209
Not happening, weirdo.

>>96142382
>for once in 20 years of hobby my demonslayer died a glorious death doing an shitton of damage.
Slayer characters definitely came out a major winners this edition.

>>96141774
Well I'm not just talking blood knights but also the new skellies, zombies etc

>>96142423
We were playing 8th edition.
And I think part of it is the fact that I've always only run lonely slayer characters and never pur them in a slayer unit instead.

>>96140523
Give us tiger beastmen from ind

>>96142404
They gotta start phasing out the old metals eventually. Why not start with one of the most iconic units in the whole franchise, and why not timed with a book that will encourage people to buy a lot of them?

I mean really, how many new players are going to be like, hmm, yes, I could go with the all new plastic gorgeous Cathay miniatures, but instead I will buy 60 of these fucking things?

>>96142466
>they gotta start phasing out the old metals
You have found the worst fucking thing they could do with this game

>>96142466
People have been begging for a plastic slayer kit for at least 25 years. The closest we ever got are the avatars of war ones which are indeed very nice. I never understood why plastic slayers had to wait AoS to get something (and even then it was rather shit)

>>96142466
>could go with the all new plastic gorgeous Cathay miniatures,
Pls go

>>96142592
Fuck off perry

Sex with Ogresses!

>>96142596
You don't have to be perrynigger tho know shit stinks

>>96142619
It is you, down to the retardedly aggresive tone for no reason. Go make another diorama

>>96142511
You're way more stupid than the guy who wants plastic Slayers.

So you think these old ass, aesthetically-bereft models should just stay in production indefinitely, to satisfy the glow of your nostalgia? In spite of the fact that no discerning miniature fan from the last 20+ years would want them?

End your life old drudge, tomorrow's not worth it

We really can't have a fill thread without it derailing into complete unrelated shit.

>>96142142
>beastmen can't even have their 1 smart one be smart
Fucks sake, next book gorthor was really just belekor using him as a meat suit won't it?

>>96142433
Those'll mostly be fine. At worst you'd have to number them in a workable formation (with attention paid to keeping wacky ones with huge outthrust swords or whatever on the corners).

>>96142627
Eat shit.

>>96139975
you could def make that work if you wanted to, but you'd have to do it pretty carefully

>>96142652
schizophrenically accusing people who say literally anything you disagree with of being the current thread boogeyman has been thread culture for like a decade by now

>>96142619
Perrynigger you are too easy to spot. Stop trying to falseflag you 85 iq mongoloid.

>>96142652
It’s just Perryfag. One guy not a big deal. Personally I think plastic slayers would be cool but I’m also torn because the current metal slayers are among some of the last pre 6th dwarf sculpts that are my personal favourites.

>>96142713
if this is a genuine post you need to stop using anonymous websites for your mental health

>>96141654
Orcs maybe. Being a goblin basically sucks every moment with the only time not shit is when you are taking out your frustration on something else.

>>96142466
I would say old metals getting phased out is honestly a ways off yet.
The beastmen release warcom article hinted at Lizardmen up next so I would say we get a round of the legacy armies slowly coming out over the next year and so. Meanwhile I actually expect the journal units that never had models to start getting them since GW absolutely SEETHES at rules for things without an official model.

I would say old metals get phased out only after armies start getting a while other once over in a presumably 2.0 style situation.
I doubt they start redoing the metals just on their own if they aren’t specifically characters.

My guess is 2027/2028 so GW can further milk those old sculpts and then also sell their replacements probably along side a system update.

>>96142433

>>96142433
And the other one.

>>96142747
That sounds like a bunch of elven propaganda

I feel like the concept of beastmen is wasted just by exploiting goats and could be better.

>>96142895
Not wasted but under explored sure. Some of the descriptions of Beastmen in the first Gotrek and Felix novel Trollslayer is wild.

>>96142895
Animal people are cool and we need more of them, but they shouldn't be shoehorned into the miserable cuckbag faction of beastmemes. The cringe goats should stay as they are, because they're a cringe containment race.

>>96142942
This or even some short stories; I remember some bretonnia one where they have several forms.
>>96142945
Give it a rest Perrynigger

>>96142895
Goats are hotter, fuck off.

>>96142961
In Trollslayers the description that I remember most vividly was of a Beastmen who was largely part spider crawling on his spidery gross ass legs. Also the regular Beastmen using a dog Beastmen as a sort of sad tracking hound all chained up.

>>96142895
Hands should be backwards.
>>96142713
>Everyone I don't like is perrynigger
You're honestly shitting up the thread at this point

>>96142895
The setting would be better if asians or mexicans had control over it, thats for sure.
>>96142640
The setting is for the most part just a nostalgia grab. Thats the entire point of TOW. Once Gw is done with TOW, they will move onto 40k and milk that for years to come. Hopefully they wont abandon TOW until mainline 40k becomes a good game though.

>>96142987
Yeah that's the type of shit that would be fantastic- mutated beastmen of sometimes several animals merged into a humanoid intelligence. Shame they don't lean into it other than 1 off villains of various stories.

>>96142804
>GW absolutely SEETHES at rules for things without an official model
the last arcane journal gives rules for things that will never have a model (ie warpgors)

>>96142511
It's great that the brought back the old metals at launch. There was no way around it, they had to to give the armies big enough ranges to start. But beyond that, it won back a lot of goodwill from old Fantasy fans who had a chance to buy nostalgic minis again.

But it can't stay like that, TOW can't just be a nostalgic hobby project for elderly nerds. They need to start updating the old model ranges, and getting rid of the metals should be step 1.

>>96142559
yeah that's what makes people in this thread pretending to be old grognards so obvious. People who actually played Fantasy wanted new stuff.

>>96143103
Yeah, like it's great grabbing those models you had missed and were never going to pay "ebay OOP limited ed" prices for. Like for me the MTO stuff has been fun for my factions. That said, most of us would love some updated infantry, with so many factions still stuck on 6th ed plastic for core units.

>>96142804
Bringing back Lizardmen as a core army is a bit awkward. They would have to squat or update most of the skink range from Seraphon, and even then it leaves Seraphon with much nicer models for the same basic concepts. Fucking nobody is going to be excited to see the old Saurus Warriors on Cold Ones kit come back, people talked about how ugly those Cold Ones were back when it was released!

They would be much better off taking a year off from adding new armies and do a quick whip around, give every core army something new. Let people know that their army will be supported going forward, we aren't getting another situation like Wood Elves not getting shit for 8 years.

>the game about selling old figures?
>replace them with shitty CAD kits!

>>96143153
I dont think people realize just how much space new kits would have to take up too. People do want new stuff but there will always be people that want the old stuff, and thats going to cause a divide into the titles identity.

>>96143153
It’s not about selling old figures it’s about continuing fantasy. The new TK hero kits are a great move forward along with Cathay.

>>96143166
It doesn't in 40k or AoS, I don't see why it would in TOW. It's not like GW is going to re do all the kits for every army in a couple years. It would be an extremely gradual process over a decade+. And the old models would still work for the game, it's not like people who love the metal Slayers would have to throw them away. All it would do is open the game up to (imo probably much larger) group of hobbyists who prefer and expect modern plastic kits.

>>96143210
>It doesn't in 40k or AoS,
Are you fucking retarded? Genuine fucking question. TOW taking its models back from aos made it an even more bare bones fucking setting, and 40k taking its finecast/forge world/firstborn models away are both crippling and ruining some armies entire identities. Im still fucking mad Grots lost their tanks.

>>96143202
It is definitely about nostalgia and selling older figures.
If you waned the new "latest and greatest" fantasy sculpts you get AoS.

>>96143210
>>96143229
This isn’t the same old GW. Their release pace and production capacity is far higher than even a couple years ago. In the last 6 months we got what? Empire, High Elves, Wood Elves, Beastmen and Cathay? 5 armies released in 6 months? Blazing speed.

>>96143202
>It’s not about selling old figures it’s about continuing fantasy.
buddy I have bad news for you

>>96143256
No you don’t get AoS because that’s not Fantasy that’s AoS which is its own thing. People want Fantasy not whatever the fuck AoS is. You’re retarded if you think the plan isn’t to update every range and replace all the old sculpts. They are continuing fantasy.

>>96143262
Okay, you ARE retarded. Those were with pre-existing molds. They also couldnt even muster new models for some factions moving into the old world, and I wouldnt be surprised if tomb kings are getting the new hero's because they rushed the starter set out and decided not to include it in there with the dragon. Hell the maker for the said dragon said she herself was rushed and couldn't finish it a state that left her satisfied.

>>96142804
>since GW absolutely SEETHES at rules for things without an official model.

Hasn't like every AJ included units without an offical model? And some of the base armies do as well like forsaken?

>>96143263
You tell him. I for one am glad they released the entire classic Cathay range. EBay prices were getting absurd.

>>96143143
I get it from a purely pragmatic business position
>old sculpts that already paid for themselves
>somebody will buy those older worse models simply because they prefer them
>killing off skinks from AoS wouldn’t mean anything to them given they casually stole half the Ironjawz range with the old savage orcs they didn’t even replace or put back into production in old world. And the beast of chaos faction getting killed off
>lines are distinct enough you can have your cake and eat it to with a little finagling

>>96143310
Yes, and maybe down the road GW will close the loop but given with AJs upcoming are about making unique armies without a new release, its clear for now GW is letting people model outside the lines.

>>96143229
>40k taking its finecast/forge world/firstborn models away are both crippling and ruining some armies entire identities
That's only Dark Eldar and Blood Angels. Dark Eldar will eventually get an update that puts them right, and people really upset about the new Blood Angels kits are just buying third party bits.
There's no division of identity, it's just one army that isn't getting the support it needs and a couple updated model kits people don't like.

>>96143166
>People do want new stuff but there will always be people that want the old stuff
What... do you mean?

100% of people who wanted the old models either had them already from the old days but wanted more to match, or wanted them back in the day but didn't have the means at the time.

I would guess less than 10% of purchasers came to the game with no trace of nostalgia guiding their purchases. Once that demand is satisfied who are these people that are "always gonna want the old stuff"?

I think the nostalgia buying is a huge problem for wargaming even beyond the scope of TOW's success or failure. Right now a bunch of the people that grew up with limited income or ability to buy 2000's models are getting into their best earning years. They're sustaining the industry and GW is benefiting massively. But I would speculate that new young players are fewer and farther between than ever before. GW can keep pivoting into a licensor of games, tv and movies but I think their games are gonna be on life support in 10-15 years

>>96143362
Orks ate shit pretty hard losing access to their forge world and fine cast. Almost all the characters are gone, most heavier and midsized vehicles, no tanks, and they lost their mid sized walkers.

>>96143272
Which is why we got the old chaos figures and not the new AoS sculpts.

>>96143362
>ignores firstborn
>ignores chaos
>ignores 30k shit
>ignores space marines
>ignores space marines (yes this needed to be typed thrice, fuck you)
>ignores agents
>ignores orks, which become more apparent next edition
>ignores tau (options are dead on suits and more)
>ignores the loss of proper sisters cheesecake

>>96141264
they fit perfectly comfortably on 30x60

basically you're stupid

>>96143378
I miss the big trakk too but it really wasn't a big deal for the army identity unlike the RAPE of the dark eldar

>>96143383
>people expecting forgeworld shit as mainline 40k
Are people that retarded? Forgeworld was for people with more money than sense who wanted cool models, not mainline 40k stuff
Aa for old world, the one lesson is probbaly don't go all in on an AoI if you want support forever. Or be ready to pivot. Most miniature games experience variant spam into cuts.

>>96143285
Dragon came with both a LP and Tom. king, so that explanation makes no sense
>>96143256
It was about that originally but TOW is selling so well they changed the focus

>>96143367
There are a LOT of 20 somethings getting memed into playing primaris, 15 year olds reading a white dwarf and getting a life long brain worm is a thing of the past, but 22 year old low iq dudes working at a pet store watching arch warhammer and going "bro that's so cool" is very much in.

>>96143378
>>96143383
Forgeworld stuff was never actually a major part of Ork identity, and they're going to be a launch faction next edition so they'll have tons of new plastic kits and characters and Ork players will be happy
Nobody actually gives a shit about Primaris replacing Firstborn anymore
Cutting out the 30k units was a dick move but they never should have been added to 40k in the first place, and they were only there for like 8 months so it's far from an identity crisis.
I don't even know what your point about Imperial Agents is. The problem with them is they are lacking options, but the army hasn't existed since Daemonhunters like 15 years ago so I'm not sure how you can talk about a crisis of identity, they didn't even have one.
The way GW handles wargear now is fucking stupid, but once again it hasn't caused any kind of division of identity in Tau or any other army. It's just an annoying thing.

You are right that the new Sisters models aren't horny enough tho. I'll give you that

>>96143423
Always surprised when there's some meme list in a supplement like "make your whole army this weird specific unit" or whatever and are surprised when it becomes illegal some day. Like yea. Duh. Those lists are for people who already have a full normal army and want to expand their collection in a fun way.

I do hope road wardens and the like don't get the squat hammer though, hopefully old world won't get aggresive edition churn

>>96143424
>It was about that originally but TOW is selling so well they changed the focus
Originally they were planning lots of new stuff, remember that the first news about TOW was about Kislev.

I'm not sure what happened. Maybe they got cold feet and decided they wanted TOW to prove it was viable before they invested in a full new army. Maybe they got scared about releasing a Russia-themed army while the war is going on. But either way, the plan with TOW was never just to sell old models.

>>96143383
I need to find a source for evil space nun cheesecake, the RH ones are too nice.

>>96143455
Yeah, there's a Q&A with the TOW team from May 2023 where they talked about bringing back all the armies, so it was definitely a late decision. Went from full scope, rescued scope, now back to decent scope.

>>96143438
It wasn’t just forge world the orks lost they lost a lot of named and generic character options that are regular GW minis.
The FW loses also ended up eating a lot of units that were the only option for certain roles.

Also advertising a detachment as the grot vehicle and walkers detachment and talking all the grot vehicles and only walkers of their size in the army was pretty dumb

>>96143455
I'd like to believe they made the initial Kislev concepts, took a step back, then realised their conception of the faction was shit and so stopped until they figured out how to do better.
Cathay LOOKS great, the only problems are a nascent tendency towards giant-centrepiece-model-syndrome and their CCCP approved lore.
The concepts of Kislev models I saw looked like shit, and when combined with the potential for similarly giant-centrepiece-model-syndrome and cucked out lore they would have been a failure as an army.

But most likely, they saw that Cathay was a better investment: Chinese money is assured and Kislev can be developed later if they feel there's a need for more faction diversity.

>>96143478
I think they weren't allowed to bring back all armies because aos trannies threw a fit

>GW hates options and kitbashing so much they gutted AoS, MESBG, HH, and 40K
Wonder how long we have until GW starts crying tears of blood over not using their arms when kitbashing figures.

>>96143505
>>96143310

>>96143497
I assume TOW getting green lit and the desire to have everything probably scared the shit out of the AoS team in that they didn’t genuinely have a plan for if they started losing that many sculpts and factions since that would genuine fuck that system.
>have the fantasy ranger dropped on your lap
>do nothing for almost a decade beyond release stormcast and ignore the other factions
>me am support game good
>TOW gets announced
>oh fuck
>oh shit
>no you can’t have dark elves I need those to fill gaps we have had a decade to fix
>no you can’t have ogres I haven’t done anything with that range to replace those sculpts
>no I need my vampires to do….something
>no you can’t have skaven I’m busy not updating them
>no you can’t have Lizardmen I’ve got something cooking I promise
>also I need chaos dwarfs we never acknowledge beyond a warband now
>beastmen? Yeah sure fuck it take them. People didn’t even buy them when we made them a meta army

>>96143560
Didn't the Skaven and Lizardmen ranges just get updated a year or two ago?

>>96143560
I don't think that's fair, AoS introduced Lumineth, Idoneth, Nighthaunt, Bonereapers, and Hedonites in the first two editions. Not to mention the big updates to Gloomspite, Soulblight, and StD. That's a lot of stuff in two editions.

>>96143593
He's probably talking about the moment tow was announced.

>>96143497
In hindsight it feels like this might have been what the inter-studio scuffle was about.

The Age of Sigmar bums, understanding that their game and lore was bad (except for what came from WHFB) and never sold amazingly, got worried that TOW would overshadow them.

Then the fuss they kicked up caused the whole "no model shall cross games" bullshit.

However, there were also rumours that the main studio at one point wanted to wrest control of TOW away from SDS.

>>96143529
Which is why I specified the when.

>>96143594
I’m talking within terms of the old fantasy ranges.
Most of those kind of just got left sitting around as lazy filler units for other armies.
Empire, dark elves, high elf’s, and dwarfs had been playing the part of OC donut steal factions for cities of sigmar to no really meaningful updates or replacements until the team was pretty much forced to do something with them.

Before old world was announced pretty much only night goblins got any meaningful attention. And weirdly enough got to exist in both settings and every picked up some AoS kit with the modern squig riders.

>>96143639
Cities of Sigmar was originally just a bone thrown to try to get the grumpy grognards who didn't want to buy new models to at least try the new game (it worked on me, just to pass the time I joined a Sigmar league at my LGS with my old Empire models on round adapters).
But then the writing team ended up making the founding and building of Sigmar-worshipping cities the biggest deal in the lore. And with TOW coming, it was time to make people who wanted to play the "totally not the Empire" faction in Sigmar, they'd have to buy a bunch of new models.
But only human models as they just couldn't be arsed to come up with new Cities-friendly Dorfs, Dakr Elfs, or Wood Elfs.

Well I got a 1500pt game tomorrow, vs either cult of pleasure (ported to TOW) or daemons of chaos (slaanesh/nurgle mostly). I usually get my ass whooped as woodies especially past 1k but am hoping to put up a show. Any thoughts on the list? For reference I have a warhawk mage, 20 eternal guard, foothero, and more dyrads gladeguard and riders if a swap is needed. Thoughts?

297 - Glade Lord, Cavalry Spear, A Befuddlement of Mischiefs, Wild Rider Kindred, General, Great Stag, Sword of Might, Mantle of Rebirth
120 - Shadowdancers, Spear of Loec, Wizard Level 1, Illusion
120 - Spellsinger, Wizard Level 1, High Magic, Oaken Stave
150 - 10 Deepwood Scouts, Hagbane Tips
109 - 8 Dryads, Nymph
109 - 8 Dryads, Nymph
140 - 10 Glade Guard, Hagbane Tips, Fire and Flee
105 - 5 Glade Riders, Hagbane Tips, Reserve Move
176 - 10 Wardancers
• 1x Wardancer, Additional Hand Weapon, Bladesinger
• 9x Wardancer, Additional Hand Weapon
174 - 5 Wild Riders, Wild Hunter, Standard Bearer, War Banner

>>96144046
I don’t have any comments but rather a question. Why are you running the dryads in MSU? Wouldn’t they be more effective in a single bigger block?

>>96144145
you might be right, I havent used tree spirits much. the idea is to be roadblocks for the glade/scouts to fire and flee through or side chargers, while being tanky enough to survive a round of combat (thanks to stubborn) but i could be wrong. I've just suffered when I use eternal guard in a block so i have blob ptsd as elves. I could be on the wrong path 100%
I miss gors

ANOTHER SUNDAY PREVIEW
STILL NO FUCKING PREYTON

>>96144173
it'll get announced alongside the imperial knight codex

>>96142895
If I remember correctly, in the lore is stated that beastmen actually have different animals traits (dog, pig, cat, goat) and the fact that horns and goats tend to be more common than others it's a mystery in itself that most scholars haven't solved yet

Minotaur back pussy

>>96144408
Yeah. Yeah that’s a pussy. On a Minotaur. Yup.

What's this supposed to be, by the Lands of "not-Korea"?

>>96144433
Its where the aos factions come out of

>>96144433
Could be a high elf settlement

>k-pop elves vs anime elves

>>96144433
that's a high elf symbol, it's one of the many distant elven colonies that serve to dominate the oceans and perhaps maintain the vortex

Are there any eBay sellers that have 3d printed chorfs for sale?

Has anyone had a chance to play games with the new magic rules yet?
The summary for me is that it feels fucking awful now it’s so hard to cast basic spells

Level 4s needed to be kneecapped but this feels like too much

>>96144511
new system is a lot better.
its only the legacy factions that got hurt by it, since GW wont adjust the casting costs of their spells, but that doesnt concern me.

>>96144433
this map is a lot more interesting than the map of the old world. hope they focus more on this part.

>>96144587
Did the dragon emperor force you to say that

>>96144600
The dragon Emperor?
No.
YinYin?
Also no but I don't want to sleep on the couch.

>>96144433
Why is Yin-Yin's banner missing?
It's unfair!

>>96144600
the dragon emperor would never force one of his beloved citizens in such a way

>>96144614
She's a footnote and she'll remain as such for a long while.

>>96144614
not in Cathay at this timeframe, but she will be back by 2512

>>96144617
Li Dao is a footnote, even more so than Yin-Yin, and he gets a banner on the map.

>>96140292
Merge a bunch of monster races into "Beasts of Chaos", make them really into the Monster faction. Fimir, various forms of Beastmen, Zoats, Ymir, Fishmen, Amoebe, Skimwolves etc.
Warhammer really lacks in the fucked up monsters that lurk in the woods department desu.

>>96144614
does she even have a province to rule over? thought she is in charge of the expedition fleets

>>96144753
She rules the eastern provinces >>96144636

>>96144408
What kind of porn are tou watching that this looks like a pussy

>>96144636
So Cathay has a city of Dogs of War from Tilea in the north, a city of high elf subjects, and apparently Marienburg is now under their suzerainty.
Man, dragon pussy must be fucking wild.

A simple headawap and this guy makes for a decent aspiring champion

No idea if that's any good in game but I think it looks cool

>>96144968
Forgot pic, am tarded

>>96144638
that should tell you that he's not going to remain a footnote, unlike yin yin

>>96144954
It's just an enclave in a larger Cathayan city. Marienburg has the same.

Afternoon lads,

Arcane Journal The War of Settra's Fury must be up for preorder soon, because I've just spent the last hour looking at an influencer copy.

Frontier Clash: Rules for 500 point games, intended for people new to the game or staring new armies. Points caps of 125/175/150/125 on characters/core/special/rare, and less vps awarded for generals and standards. Three special scenarios, though says you can use any with a smaller board. One scenario is a wagon escort.

Huge narrative section on Settra's invasion, which I didn't have time to read plus three narrative scenarios against each of the new AoIs for him. TK don't get an AoI of their own, and Settra leads the royal host in each of the scenarios. All they get is new mount options for characters: barded steeds that don't lose swiftstride, vanguard or movement, and gain first charge and give the unit they've joined counter charge, and necroserpents, and incantations, which are like souped up spells that you pay points for and can only successfully cast once.

There are no special characters in the book. No new models spotted apart from the plastic TK guys. None of the AoIs are ridiculous Heroquest Fimir either, which makes me sad.

First AoI is the Savage Waaagh! Like I said, I didn't have a chance to read the background section, but the first scenario is Settra breaking through a horde of these guys played lengthways after they've been lured in as a roadblock by a confederation of Border Princes. It's a fairly basic list, but I'm sure Savage Orc fans/people who had Bonesplitterz armies will love it.

It is... exactly what it sounds like, I guess Bonesplitterz are back in Fantasy. All chariots, characters and giants must lose their armour and gain frenzy and warpaint for 5 points. Shamans who join units boost the warpaint ward to 5+. Headhunterz rule gives +25 vp for every enemy character or monster killed by orcs, but not gobbos, mounts or anything else. Snotlings gain frenzy if they're near orcs who haven't lost theirs, which is cute.

Characters:
0-1 Warboss or Weirdnob per 1k
Big bosses and Weirdboyz
Gobbo bosses and shamans, who must be mounted on gigantic spider, arachnaroks or giant spiders (new option)

Core:
Savage Orc Mob, new unit entry, as you'd expect, 0-1 Big Unz per 1k, warpaint, frenzy, open order, regimental unit, 6 points naked
Savage Orc Boar Boy Mob, same as the footsloggers, minus regimental unit
Spider Riders
Snotlings

Special:
Chariots
Trolls
1 Riderless Arachnarok for each gobbo shaman. Can also be taken as mounts for savage orc bosses
Spidersilk lobbas, cheap, weak stone throwers
Big stabbas: 3+ models 2 wounds, skirmish, D3 impact hits a piece, detachment, 12 points

Rare:
33%
Giants
Arachnaroks
Bonesplitter Giant (see the orc AJ)

>>96145093
I guess they couldn't call it Border Patrol anymore

Next is the Slayer Cult. The fluff for these guys seems centred on the Priests of Grimnir and Slayer Pirates from Barak Varr, not Ungrim, which makes sense as Karak Kadrin is further north than where this book is set. Ungrim is included in the list though.

Slayer axes are back and not just for the Slayer Cult! All slayers apart from slayer pirates and doomseekers and slayer characters can now choose to fight with ahws or a great weapon, and get the benefits of any runes they have with both. If they have the gromril weapons special rule, they get the -1 AP with ahws.

Army wide special rule that lets models deathblowing against attacks caused by monsters or characters strike back with all their attacks and the rules for any weapon they're using. Ouch!

0-1 slayer unit per 1k can be given scouts or ambush.

Characters:
Ungrim
Dragon and Daemon Slayers
Kraken Slayers: basically Dragon Slayers for slayer pirates. Can be given a handgun so gets handgun runes
Priests of Grimnir: Runesmith stats more or less, they come with a list of prayers that can be cast like the Sigmar and Ulric ones, though a lot easier because they've got LD10. One of the prayers gives a slayer unit D3+1 move and is done in the command phase, before charging. They suggest converting a model from slayer and runesmith bits for these, but I reckon they're intended to use the Fyreslayer priest minis. Can also be taken in a Royal Clan lead by Ungrim.

Core:
1+ Slayers
Barak Varr Slayer Pirates: They're really leaning into the geography here. These lads are amazing: 12 points, open order or skirmish, brace of pistols that they can use properly in combat. Do not have the slayer special rule to always wound on a 4+. Can be taken as mercenaries in regular dorfs, engineer's guild, Empire or Cathay
0-1 dorf warriors per 1k

Special:
Warriors, Quarrellers, Thunderers
0-3 per 1k of the following: Goblin Hewers, Slayer Pirate Cannon: just a cannon with slayer pirate crew, Slayer Pirate Harpoon: a bolt thrower with 24" range, that if it hits and wounds a monster pulls it D3 closer!

Rare:
Doomseekers
The Brotherhood of Grimnir: Bodyguards of the priests. These guys wear heavy armour, and are basically slayer hammerers with MR3! Unbreakable like the rest of the list, 2 attacks a piece, and can be given great weapons or shields (no slayer axes). Can be taken in Ungrim's Royal Clan

Mercenaries:
Pikemen, Freelancers and sellswords from the Border Prince list

>>96145101
>>96145111
there are written exactly like the previous inaccurate "leaks"

Last up, and the one bound to get the most buzz, Border Princes. This AoI is not listed as belonging to any Grand Army, but the traits you pick for your Border Prince can let them count as one for the purpose of allies (they can't take allies, so I'd imagine this is for being used as allies?) and more importantly, access to mercenaries and magic item lists.

The basic list is incredibly bare bones, but fills out based on the traits you are able to give your Border Prince. The traits are bit like the old Imperial Guard doctrines and very 'your dudes', but will probably also be a powergamer's delight.

Like the savage orcs and slayers, a lot of stuff refers to previous Arcane Journals, and I fear this list might need 5+ books to play!

The only other army special rule apart from traits is 'Melting Pot', allowing non mercenary characters to freely join mercenary units and vice versa, and for mercenaries to benefit from Inspiring Presence and the BSB.

>>96145101
>Bonesplitterz are back in Fantasy
Da savage boyz, home.

The 7 traits are:

Exile Knight: Border Prince gains the exile's vow and the option to ride a Bret warhorse and pick a virtue, the entire army gains access to the Bretonnian Exiles magic item list. Several Bretonnian units added, all knightly ones must be given the Exile's Vow. Gets all mercenaries available to a Bret Grand Army

Imperial Asset: Entire army gains access to Empire magic item list. Lots of Imp units added. Gets all mercenaries available to an Imp grand army

Dwarf Friend: The Border Prince, and just the Border Prince can take runic items. A few dorf units added. Gets all dorf grand army mercenaries

Merchant Lord: Entire army gains access to the HE and Cathay magic item lists and the mercenaries who would work for them.

Looter: Same as the last one but with Orc and Gobbo and TK magic items and mercenary lists. There are probably some really broken combos here. +25 vps for standards personally captured by your prince or his unit. Tomb Kings characters hate your Border Prince, which is characterful and fun.

Mercenary Paymaster: All mercenary units become core, but every model in your army gains the misbehaving mercenary special rule. Can't be combined with the bret, dwarf or VC traits.

Something of the Night: I saved the best till last. This one is great, and the flavour text and rules heavily hint without saying that it's a backdoor for VC. For an extra 70 points, your Border Prince gets +2M, +1 WS, S, T, A, I, and fear, and can be bought up to two levels of lore of Necromancy. Can't be combined with the dorf, bret, Empire or mercenary traits

Core:
Pikemen! They're back baby! Models shown are the old DoW metals with I think a new command group. Thrusting spears that fight in 4 ranks, and the option to buy heavy armour and crossbows for the front rank. Maybe a little expensive at 9 points. Tilea referenced in the flavour text.
Sellswords: Basic profile human infantry with options to buy heavy armour, ahws, crossbows and shields. Have access to drilled and veteran.
Freelance Knights: empire knights who lose access to drilled and stubborn but gain a load of weapon options. Feel like these and the sellswords are designed to use the CoS kits as. All 3 of these units are mercs who can be taken by anyone which is nice.
If Exile knight, KotR mounted and foot, men at arms, bowmen
If imp asset: state troops, vet state troops, missile state troops, archers
If dorf friend: 0-1 warriors per 1k

Special:
Demi-lancers: Very customisable light cav unit
Border Prince Brigands: See Bret exiles
If exile knight: mounted yeomen, squires
If imp asset: Outriders, Greatswords, 0-2 great cannon or mortars perk 1k
If dorf friend: 0-2 cannons, bolt throwers or grudge throwers per 1k, 0-2 gyrocopters, 0-1 slayers, 0-1 Longbeards

Rare:
Border Prince Bombards (see Bret exiles)
If exile knight: 0-1 trebuchet per 1k
If imp asset: 0-1 hellblaster or firestorm per 1k, war wagons
If dorf friend: 0-1 rangers or miners

Mercenaries:
25%, what you get based on your prince's traits

>>96145101
>>96145111
>>96145121
>>96145128

>>96144971

Looking great anon, though the claw on the cloak does look a lot like its trying to cop a feel (the sculpt's fault, not yours)

>>96145128

Vampire Border Prince. Welp, guess I'm starting a new army now

>>96145132
>Sellswords: Basic profile human infantry with options to buy heavy armour, ahws, crossbows and shields. Have access to drilled and veteran

Checks out. They've been mentioned by that one Spanish translator leaker on the Discord

>>96145134
I want to believe.

>>96145093
>>96145101
>>96145111
>>96145121
>>96145128
>>96145132

These are pretty boring, so consistent with everything else GW's put out

Just want me Heroquest rape party so bad

That guy attempted another Black powder Dwarf cannon, this time the Organ gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCoo2vWTkaY

>>96145155
Model them as Amazons and they'll do the raping.

>>96140292
Literally just turn them into Fantasy version of Night Lords. Make them less ooga booga poo poo pee pee jobbers of the setting and lean more into the bestial intelligence of Khazrak of pure spite for humanity

>>96143599
>The Age of Sigmar bums, understanding that their game and lore was bad (except for what came from WHFB) and never sold amazingly, got worried that TOW would overshadow them.
Age of Sigmar is massively more popular than Fantasy ever was. That's literally why Fantasy was canceled, it didn't sell well enough

>>96139885
She isn't. That child is just mutated and vaguely looks like a Beastman. The retard goatmen who find the child will think it was the gift of the Gods and make it into their leader when in reality, it's not different from a turnskin.

>>96145223
He's a Gave, but a Gave can be a Gor, which he obviously is.
Being a Gor is defined by the horns anyway.

>>96144946
Subbed to your mums OF

>>96145132
>>96145128
>>96145121
>>96145111
>>96145105
>>96145101
>>96145093

>Anon has enough time to get a good idea of everything in the book

>doesn't at least take a picture of the cover

This is just DoW-anon all over again

>>96145093

TK will never be an interesting army, but they make the setting richer for existing.

>>96145101

Sounds awesome. I'm amazed savages weren't in the main O&G list

>>96145105

Mate had a slayer army back during SOC and they weren't fun to play. I hope these are less bent. Slayer Pirates as Cathay Mercs is pretty lol

>>96145121

Looks really fluffy, and with basic enough units available that it'll be hard to minmax the different traits. Do you know which pikemen are coming back? There were like four different RoRs

>>96145485

DoWanon invented that incredible fake Heroquest list with the Night at the Museum Tomb Guard. I will not hear any slights about him!

>>96145121
>savage orcs
Lol no way this is getting passed GW sensitivity readers.

>>96145314
Nah more like my Dad's coz that looks like ass

>>96145511
You can still make normal orc boys into savage orc boys by giving them War paint, there was just a limit per 1,000 points in the main list.

What is everyone's favourite aesthetic for chaos dwarfs?

>>96145793
Old school goofy.

>>96145793
I like the TWW3 blend of oldhammer and legions of azgorh

>>96145793
Q Hayashida Grim industrial, but Big Hat is also great

>>96145149
Seems unlikely that they would do Buy Historical Proxies: The Army

>>96145810
This. Everyone loves that big hat tusk guys, but I like the goofy stuff.

>>96145485
He's bullshitting
No other leaker has said what he's said the give away is savage orcs

My source just sent me this, there might be something to those Fimir rumours

>>96145793
niggers and women

>>96145948
Cold blooded isn't a USR, nice try.

>>96118775
>>96118781
>>96118785
>>96118794
Is the Anon who made fan rules for DoW in TOW still around? These are some neat ideas, even if they aren't official.

>>96145975
not the anon that posted that but if there's a Fimir character as well then Cold Blooded could be covered in the army rules.
i don't know it looks like there might be something to it

>>96145948

RAPE
A
P
E

>>96145994
In what armybook dipshit?
Sorry chief it was fun the first time but your shoop ain't gonna do it.

>>96145948

I NEVER DOUBTED YOU FOR A SECOND HEROQUEST ARMY ANON

>>96146003

>>96145948
So I'm guessing the FW Fimir (including AoS' Fimirach Noble) will come to TOW, instead of bothering if making plastic Fimir.

>>96145511
>Do you know which pikemen are coming back? There were like four different RoRs

Alcatani fellowship painted silver

>>96146031
forgot pic

>>96146031

Silly anon doesn't know you make plastic Fimir by raping plastic models

>>96145948
I can do this in Adobe
Just saying

How bad would it be to be raped by a female Fimir?

>>96146108

She looks sad. I'd let her rape me desu~

>>96146117
Are you that desperate?

>>96145093
>>96145132
fake and gay

>>96145948
>My source
Your source is bullshit, these arcane journals aren't getting pdf files, retard.

>>96145093
You writing style is now recognisable, the heroquest army of infamy was fun, but now you look pathetically desperate to spread fake rumors, just stop, and next time discuss this shit as your wishlist, not fake rumors.

>>96146017
samefag

>>96146150
NTA, but why wouldn't they?

>>96146181
harder to pirate is one option, you can see both Cathay and the Match play Guide both lack Epub version, you could buy even though of all the books that should be digital the Match Play Guide should be one of them

>>96146160
Yeah first time was fun, but obviously he's wishlisting stuff heard hear to laugh at others. Note he has no info on the actual confirmed AoIs other than slayers (lacking the credible leaks about slayers)

>>96146181
because they want to sell the physical copies
>why not the previous ones
necessary to get the basics of the game up and running, the goal was building the community, while these are just money grabbing with the book format with the least amount of content per price since ever

>>96146031
Considering the other fantasy forgeworld didn't make it, this reeks of cope/wish

>>96146150

Javgoro on Discord's a translator, it's more likely than you think

>>96146225
Where did he leak that I see 0 pins

>>96146225
Why would GW give a PDF to a translator for a language they don't officially support for TOW? Only French and German are supported.

>>96146225
He did not leak that
This is the only leak we have since the day the books were announced.

>>96146262
Because night at the museum anon is desperate for traction so is name dropping at random.

>>96145948
>>96145975
Another big tell is that the USR are not in alphabetical order, which they always are.

>>96145093
>>96145101
>>96145105
>>96145111
>>96145121
>>96145128
>>96145132

Thanks for these anon. Don't know if they're true, but they seem more plausible than the last lot

>>96146447
It's bullshit, but we knew that didn't we samefag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5niRP6nyc
My honest reaction to these totally trve and real leaks

>>96146497

The leaks made you so excited you put a cat in a washing machine?

>>96146447
samefag

>>96146447
>>96146574
fuck off samefag

>>96146223
I'd rather consider the fantasy forgeworld that did make it.

After getting egg on my face posting a general with a DoW theme pre summer preview I’m inclined to never believe another “leaker” here again. I’d like to be wrong but I’m not getting my hopes up again.

>>96146649

I mean we're getting Dogs of War, just not that leaker's Dogs of War. You're lucky you didn't start a Fimir OP

Bros, I played a game last week where the scorpion wasn't just a distraction and he snibbetisnabbed an Arachnarok spider

>>96146836
Im always disgusted how good the tomb scorpion is compared to the mf uh...that one vampire count monster.

>>96146836
bases wider than they're long trigger me a tiny bit

>>96145128
>Something of the Night

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_of_the_night_about_him

GW must be kicking it old skool if they're making unsubtle jabs at the Tories. Get it in while there's still a Tory party I guess

>>96146357
You got me, I knew that was a giveaway, anyway I made a PDF for the made up wishlist that guy posted because the idea activated my almonds and I wanted to see what it would look like, none of the points or little lore texts are final and I want to add some fimir magic items but it's nearly done
I'd upload it but apparently /tg/ doesn't allow PDFs anymore and my message containing a linked upload gets flagged as spam no matter what, this website gets shitter and shitter every year

>>96147136
That sounds sick actually anon, please post it here once it is done. And sadly hacker fucks ruined PDF posting lmao.

>>96147136
>apparently /tg/ doesn't allow PDFs anymore
Blame the 4chan hack for that

>>96147136
Sounds fun man, definitely post what you can to this hellhole. If GW won't give us the goods, maybe anon can.

>>96147233
Ill blame moot and the shitty tranny jannies for that

>>96147285
Yeah, they're also to blame for being a bunch of lazy pillocks who couldn't be bothered updating anything properly for about a decade, but they got rid of the PDF upload due to that being the way the hacker got into 4chan in the first place.

>>96139607 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>Which part of the Warhammer fantasy world interests you most?
Sometimes is its worst part: how it would end

I find myself attempting to find the most interesting and fitting ways to tie loose ends in hypothetical end times scenarios, and I think I've just decided that since the fate of the ogres and halflings should be somewhat connected but the ogres are flawed and unfinished, it would be greatly ironic and entertaining if the halflings ended up "fixing" them with 2 quests at the opposite ends of the maw, one to throw something in it, one to fish something out of it
of course there would be a lot of other parties and players involved

>>96146885
It's so good it always eats shit because it has to get focused down before it gets to fight anything. Makes for a good distraction carnifex though.

>>96147424
>>96146885
For how cheap it is, it is a great distraction.
Skeleton Chariots are also good for that.

>>96147424
>>96146885
As a troll horde player I absolutely hate it

Javgoro just confirmed today's leaks on discord

We're coming home lads!

>>96147654
no he didn't, stop baitposting

>>96147654
I want to believe.

>>96147654
shut the fuck up

I just can't get in the head space of the obvious leak faker. Like what is the motivation? To manifest it in to reality?

>>96147766
Leaks are probably 4x more fun than whatever the skeleton crew of old world will get to put out.

>>96147654
Super excited, pinning those rumours is basically a confirmation coming from Jav.

>>96147654
Javgoro shat himself in the supermarket!
But you didn't hear it from me. ; )

>>96147654
So, the version I saw of Border Princes is an old one, and so I know that more stuff got added to it. Also recently I heard that they had added more units to the BP roster, just no specifics. Some of this is new (that doesn't mean it's false), but for the most part it lines up with what I know was in the book back in the day, with minor changes if anything. I don't want to call them 100% true until I get independent confirmation; however, I think they are relatively close to the truth if they aren't 100% the real deal
So the BP leaks might actually be legit-ish???

>>96147817
They are.

>>96147827
so savage orcs/slayer stuff not confirmed (outside of slayers AoI confirmed) but BPs will be at least mostly true to the above?

>>96147849
Seems so

I can't decide whether I want to start Tomb Kings or Orcs and Goblins. I love the silly aspects of the Orcs and Gobbos but I also am a lover of skeletons.

>>96147901
Aw shit boys, a 4chan leaker actually leaking some good shit???

>>96147901
>>96147922
Sorry, didn't meant to link ya. But advice wise: you want a more meta army, TK for sure. You want a more silly and fun to paint one, Orcs.
Both are good choices but I'd go with TKs unless you have a lot of undead players in your area already.

>>96147957
Nigga what are you on about, O&G are also meta

>>96147922

Omission from the Border Princes lists is giants? They seem like an obvious Dogs of War homage that there's already a kit for

>>96147654
What discord

>>96148014

The WFB one

>>96148052
reddit?

>>96148074
>>96148074
https://discord.gg/anrCndYV
This one. Its huge.

Where tf are you guys finding this leaker discord?

>>96148143
It's not a leaker discord, its this discord >>96148138 that happens to have a leak channel.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL
SAVAGE ORCS LEAKS ARE LEGIT

>>96148340
Where is the "TOW is pozzed cause savage orcs is raycist" guy now?

Not getting my hopes up. Sorry. You won't get any hope from me.

Where on the map can we find /YourDudes/ at the moment?
>Do they have a permanent area/site they're in or do they wander around the old world not staying in one place to too long?

>>96148356
Well, if its true, then we will know pretty soon. Influences getting a copy means like less than a month.

>>96148373
underground, plotting and skittering

>>96148403
Cool, does your skaven have their own little warren or holding someplace or do they hole up in Skavenblight and move out from there?

>>96148418
they are currently holed up somewhere in kislev, on the outskirts of hellpit.

>>96148418
I think he means either goblins or dwarves

>>96148373
>ominous swamp noises in the background

>>96148340
I'll believe it when I see it.

>>96148373
Their word is being spread. They will be birthed once hope is lost.

>>96145948
> USRs fucked up
> Fucking STOMP instead of Stomp Attacks
Bro you have too much time on your hands. Are you like one of the pathetic permanent disabled people who lives at home with your mom?

>>96147136
I was thinking of doing something similar myself so best of luck to you bro, could always upload it to a mega or something like that. Were you planning on making the Nobles able to be BSBs?

>>96148373
In a mountain range next to the sea, near some Empire cities and settlements. Haven't really thought of exactly where on the map.

>>96146223
A lot of the fantasy forgeworld stuff has made it over though

>>96147654
Javgoro JUST CAUGHT on the Coldplay Kiss cam SUCKING another MANS DICK

>>96148502
This is sadly a British problem

>>96145948
>Fimir champion not called Rapist in Chief
fake

>>96148007
Yeah I feel like giant would fit the Looter theme dude too.

>>96147227
>>96147271
>>96148514
https://pastebin.com/j3fH0T6W, here you go, I took a couple of creative liberties with the initial prompt and there's some things I'm not super happy with so feedback would be appreciated

>>96148502
Damn you're right, can't beleive I missed that

>>96148373
My kindred are parts of the meadowglade, who protect the boundaries between the vaults and the open plains that entice many foolish men to shortcut through it. Especially traders exhausted from traversing the vaults.
They patrol it as part of their duty, rotating through it each season, reporting on movements and driving out any who would seek respite under the sun drenched plains.

>>96148644
Looks cool, immediately sticking out I'd have Fimir on 50x50 rather than 40x40, and I think it's kinda weird having Fimir Noble's being in charge of Balefiends, as in universe the latter are in charge. However I can kinda see that it seems weird, so I kinda think maybe just scrap Balefiends as a concept and have Nobles just be Ld 8 Heroes who are mainly supposed to be BSBs.

>>96148612

Looters can already take mercs available to orcs and get the Bonegrinder Giant

>>96148644
I like that you're trying to expand it but I do think that expanding it more than it is kinda takes away from some of the charm of the list, and yea as other anon said the Fimir Noble/Balefiend thing is a bit weird and just sort of a symptom of this.

>>96148722
>I'd have Fimir on 50x50 rather than 40x40
I was toying with the idea already so I'm glad you said so
> I think it's kinda weird having Fimir Noble's being in charge of Balefiends
You're totally right, in fact with how it is at the minute the noble can never be the BSB, I think I'm just going to drop them both to Ld8 so that the Sorcerer lord can be the general

>>96148748
>I like that you're trying to expand it but I do think that expanding it more than it is kinda takes away from some of the charm of the list
Yeah I think I agree, I think Ogres are a fine addition as there was an expansion to the OG heroquest focused on Ogres, and the additional hero options are kind of a requirement to give the list a bit more variety when it comes to characters but the Wolf Rats and definitly the Chaos Trolls go too far (the chaos trolls were a last minute addition because I like the models and wanted an excuse to buy them)

>>96148777
>the additional hero options are kind of a requirement to give the list a bit more variety when it comes to characters

Obviously it's your call, but personally I think the lack of diversity in the hero options kind of adds to the heavy themeing of the army. At the very least I'd say only Fimir Nobles can be BSB, and really I'd get rid of the greenskin wizards and Aspiring Champions. It fits the idea of an evil wizard gathering together these various monstrous races under them.

>>96148777
It's >>96148796 again, just realised you forgot to add Tomb Guard to the list

>Get out of my lawn, you little shits

Just bought pic related. What the fuck am i gonna proxy it as

>Get out of my lawn, you little shits

>>96148834
Could work as a hellcannon in WoC or Chorfs

>>96148796
>At the very least I'd say only Fimir Nobles can be BSB
Fair
>heavy themeing of the army
I kind of like the idea of them being sub-mooks that the head honcho recruited to get their individual mobs in line, plus heroquest had a bunch of Boss versions of all the standard monsters which included spell caster bosses, so I think I'm going to stand my ground on this one
>>96148807
forgot to add Tomb Guard
It was on purpose, in my head the army kind of works as a more generic westerland swamp army, Skeleton Warriors could reasonably be european skeleton warriors whereas Tomb Gaurds I feel are just too tied to Tomb Kings, I also think that the mummy = tomb guard link is a bit of a stretch. I think I would rather add a Bog Mummy unit like the Marsh Zombies

It's a real shame that war for the westerland leak wasn't real becuase the story itself sounds pretty kino.

>>96148880
So what's with the mortuary priests?

>>96148837
Kino. Gorgeous wizard. That Gobbo shaman sculpt is peak too.

>>96148890
It's supposed to represent a more generic necromancer than one tied with Tomb Kings, the name is unfortunate

>>96148834
I'd say an iron demon, it's got two shooty things and it looks like it wants to drive over things

>>96148918
Ah I see, though doesn't the Chaos Sorceror with Necromancy already basically fill that niche?

>>96148934
Somewhat but Mortuary Priests have access to From Beneath the Sands which I think is a really interesting mechanic for the army when it can give skeletons and zombies ambush, I also think it's a good thematic way to represent the undead bursting from the swamp

Update from the BIIIIG leaker

>>96149079
So basically they say that there was going to be a border prince and slayer AoIs and made some lucky guesses based off what little they knew

>>96149079
So the border prince system is legit but not necessarily the actual options presented?

The leak is probably very accurate for what is going to be released. The slayer pirates are such an easy slam dunk for GW, and the fact that the Disco leaker does not have them suggests that he is right when he says that it was an old version he saw, or maybe a trap by GW.

>>96149103
>>96149144
Yeah, though it sounds like they were accurate enough that they must have seen something (probably a playtester's info). Sounds like savage orcs coming in a different AJ at least.
>>96149163
I sure hope so.

>>96149079
>>96149103
>>96149144
>>96149163
Stop samefagging, you stupid fucking nigger.

>>96149211
MEDS, NOW

>>96149223
>>96149211
Why did you edit your own post you fucking samefag retard

>no savage orcs
me no buy into old world until I get the butt naked orks shaking their shit thug shaker style.

So, what's the reason for Tomb Kings and Princes being able to take horse mounts now?

>>96149266
they wanted to make a kit that could build a herald on foot or on steed and one choice would obligatorily leave a dude on horse

>Archmage with Caledor Honor on Barded Steed
>Model is Dragon Prince Horse and Legs + Dragon kits Caledor torso and Dragon Mage Arms and Head
Will it look odd? It would basically be plate armor torso and leggings with cloth arms and helmetless head for casting.

>>96149266

>>96149261
you can already run a mostly savage orc army

>>96149266
It wasn't like it was illegal in old lore, just undignified. And with how much skeleton horsemen suck ass, it would track.

>>96149261
The only thing from savage orcs you're currently missing in orcs is like big stikkas or whatever those things were called.

>>96149345
With what models

>>96149374
3D prints and eBay exist anon go find them there.
In the rules of TOW, you can already run a mostly Savage Orc list by giving your units War Paint options in the Grand Army list you don't need a brand new AoI to validate your Savage Orc army.

The DoW stuff sounds cool but it's a lot of stuff for the good factions as well as an AoI for a good factions, and then the next AJ is another AoI for a good faction too, it's a shame that the savage orc AoI isn't real (even though it's kind of a waste, what do you actually get that you can't do in GA, giant spider mounts (cool tbf), riderless arachnaroks (sounds bad) unmounted spidersilk lobbas (might actually be good tbf) and detachment big stikkas (they already exist in the unit for GA), like I just don't get it) because that would at least balance out the good/bad content somewhat, then again we don't know the third AoI so it might be something Chaos or beastmen since we know it's not TK, TK getting a few extra bits maybe balances out the good/bad content somewhat but eh, it's niche

I think orc heroes should have access to winged pigs as a mount


they could be called pigasi

>>96149492
>pigasus
>unipork
>hamticore
>demigribs
>sqwine

>>96148644

Hey anon, I'm the anon that did the dumb Heroquest list and this is amazing!

I was excited about the upcoming Dogs of War rumours (that turned out to be Border Princes) and wanted to come up with something mad but not completely implausible to tease info out of the actual leakers. I guessed the Jade Fleet book would be coming first, needed something for them to fight, and Fimir have already been mentioned in the WoC AJ, so I wrote an army around them. There's not a lot of background concerning them that isn't rape memes, so I did a Heroquest list to see if anyone got it.

Couple of bits of feedback:

The Gargoyle of Bagra should be a Gargoyle of Barda, it's a reference to this, that I deliberately got wrong, hoping to make the leak look like sloppy second hand information: http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr12barda/index.htm

Night at the Museum Tomb Guard! They were a last second addition before I hit post when I suddenly realised there was no Heroquest mummy rep, and had to come up with a suitable reason for them to be in Marienburg, but they're the part of the list people seem most taken with/amused by.

Seriously flattered that you've gone to this much effort on account of my daft trolling, well done and thank you!

Orcs and Goblin players never fall for leaks because we are already self fulfilled.

>>96149846
>Night at the Museum Tomb Guard! They were a last second addition before I hit post when I suddenly realised there was no Heroquest mummy rep, and had to come up with a suitable reason for them to be in Marienburg, but they're the part of the list people seem most taken with/amused by.
I think you could have used Bog mummies to represent them since the Westerland and Marianburg are 90% marshland, and the mummification of corpses it's a natural thing that occurs in Fens and Bogs, and even WFRP has an example of them coming to life and attacking people.
But the NotM TK is a more Fun justification.

>>96149964

I didn't realise they were a thing? Is that from WFRP 4E?

>>96150025
Yeah, it's from the Steam Tank Adventur,e The Emperor's Wrath.

>>96150094

Cool, thanks

>>96149079
> He had a CORE of information
Yeah, LIKE THE FUCKING PREVIEW SHOW.
How fucking stupid are you people?
It's all bullshit from one literally mental ill poster. When have we EVER seen multi post, detailed leaks like the shit from prior to the preview show? Never. The fucking queer was proven COMPLETELY false at the preview show, he comes back with the EXACT same style, and you STILL think his schizo rambling is believable?

>>96148834
Lmao it will never be painted so who gives a fuck?
Just another unpainted hunk of resin to add to the pile, might see a table once (doubtful)

>>96148554
The UK is just a third world country at this point

>>96149964
Maddie's me wonder if I could find enough bog mummy miniatures to make an army.

FUCK I can't decide between Tomb Kings and Orcs. My first army as a kid was VC so I love skeletons but I love a lot of the old orc/goblin sculpts.

>>96150633
Let the universe decide. Check eBay and other second hand places to see what is available.

>>96150633
If it sways you at all tomb kings have an extremely good box rn

>>96150633
get a printer to get both

>>96150633
Orcs are really fun, but they are also a weird mix of low detail, but also surprisingly detailed minis. So you will whiplash back and forth in having a lot of stuff to do and then really really flat boring batch painting.

>>96149899
Literally all I want are old characters back in production.

Brought my 1500pts of wood elves, got tabled turn 3. Vs cult of pleasure, he had 2 sorceresses, 20 anointed, 20 chaos warriors with a aspiring champion, 2 repeater bolt throwers and 3 spawn. All with plenty of mark of slaanesh. Some thoughts:
>took the dyrads in a blob like anon suggested, seemed fine. Good shout.
>I'm so fucking tired of magic missiles. Just tired. Ruby ring, demonology signature just anhhilating my elves. Deepwood scouts, glade riders go poof. What's the point of skirmish, over half range, cover when some dickhead with a ring ignores all of it? Shit should roll to hit.
>11 dyrads, 10 wardancers, staglord, shadowdancer, 5 wild riders charged/flanked the chaos warriors and my elves took 15 wounds and only did 8. Would have been funny if he didn't have spawn and super cheap anointed to run down everything else. I guess I should just ignore a 3rd of the game and run pure shooting?
>the 5 glade riders at least had fun before being bolt throwered. They didn't do much but shoot n scoot is cool.
>oaken stave was cool, to bad he had some staff that did the same thing but offensively but miscast if 2x ones.. And could reroll a 1 so yeah.
Ngl boys was a miserable time. I don't know if it's the Frankenstein cult of pleasure just having too much good options, my subpar wood elf list, or a bad matchup and day but especially the magic missiles are killing my fun. Might have to break from the tree huggers for a while it's been a long 3-12 road for them this season.

>>96150818
T3 low armor elves are going to get messed up by magic missiles. If you pay again make sure to lean into some good anti-magic.

>>96150846
I mean other than the oaken staff what else is there? Ariels favor and lodestone? I guess high magic but a 10 is hard to hit all the time even with a lvl3. Or am I missing some other defense?

>>96150818
Do Wood Elves have any MR items?

>>96150913
1 hero can take ariels favor for 30pts, for MR2; otherwise the oaken staff is great (+3dispel range, extra d6 drop lowest on dispel). It didn't help he had some dark elf staff that did the same for casting, otherwise oaken staff is pretty nice. Then some of the overpriced "enemy wizard takes some hits" items are it sans lodestones.

>>96147654
How do we know javgoro is legit? Does he actually have any accurate predictions? The guy keeps saying basic shit with "uhh haha well I don't want to say anything yet just to be on the safe side" afterward
and then when the actual GW streams and community articles reveal something he suddenly starts acting like he predicted all of it when he didn't say shit besides "well I didn't want to say more about it haha". How do we know he's not just attentionfagging? Is he trying to get hired by GW or something why the fuck does he care so much about hiding info?

>>96150974
Sounds like you might have just gotten unlucky. Usually that's enough to shut down a lot of casting. Or at least fuck with Ruby Ring

>>96151174
He's a discord mod. He's 100% attention fagging.

>>96151197
I certainly have been burned a good deal which is probably a combo of wood elves favoring smaller units and being protected by nothing making magic missiles hurt that harder when they get through but honestly casting doesn't seem too hard even after faq, just not guaranteed.
But some of the frustration is probbaly just tired of everyone bringing 2 to 3 sources of magic missiles every game vs me. I need to break from woodies I think for a while until my Thorn recasts come in. I'll try and paint some more in the meanwhile.

>>96151174

He posts a bunch of stuff too specific be guess work that turns out to be true months in advance (High Elves having a White Lion AoI, the entire Beastman spell lore), but also gets a reasonable amount of stuff wrong (Tyrion and Teclis being in the HE AJ, Fimir being the BoC one), and then backpeddles saything that plans have changed. He's recently cited having to confer with 'sources' when confirming the latest Settra AJ stuff, before saying it adds up with older versions and more's been added.

My money's on him being a friend of a playtester or even someone in the design studio who originally posted a few things he'd seen/been told for fun, and is now enjoying the e-fame and has become incredibly cautious about what he posts so as not to get derided as a fake, while also getting off on teasing people.

My only question, and I guess it goes to all leakers, is if you have genuine information gained via a friend, or even acquaintance, why would you risk that person's job for internet points?

>>96151280
My guess is he gets one way or another good info and then internal decisions by GW either validate, slightly set back, or completely fuck it up.
Old world is a odd system for GW as 99% of the world on all but one of the ranges has been done for decades now so planning I sent nearly as important to her right and keep consistent.
40K or AoS the teams can’t decide one week they really want to do dark mechanicum and some new demons faction and the next say actually fuck that let’s just make more marines. Meanwhile in old world it’s pretty easy for them to decide one one AoI one week change the next and then start thinking about rereleasing some old molds the work is long done on.

>>96148373
My orcs and goblins are generically living there best lives out in the badlands, my chaos warriors are fleet based nurgle guys but I have them based like they are in the northern wastes, my ogres are generically fucking around in the mountains, and my skaven are out in a frozen swamp near troll country

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>>96151216
>"I don't want to share too much at this stage"
>literally 1 day later the post about the new books drop in here
>suddenly he is okay with confirming everything he knows about the journal in the discord
what the fuck was this about? why doesn't he just give the info instead of doing this "redacted" larp shit? that itself makes him sound less reliable, like he's doing some cold reading vague shit and only actually acting like he knew all along when actual info not from him is posted around

>>96151273
It's a sign to start Tomb Kings and be the danger.

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New

>>96148837
>cum dice