>no you're not allowed to ruin my tradition in fantasy (imagination)

why do people even get mad on others for doing something not tolkien or whatever dnd shit

>>96140640 (OP)
>inb4 fags get triggered by OP's image when the title is obviously clickbait

That looks like antisemitic caricature.

>>96140640 (OP)
>imagines other humans as disgusting rat people
Uh-oh, better not let the JIDF know

>>96140709
they're sheep...

You already made this thread before

>>96140895
Uh-oh, better not let the Christian zionist neocons know

>>96140895
>The Normalians

you might as well make literally anything and call it "human", then. stereotypes exist for a reason and deviating is stupid from an audience expectation standpoint.

Fantasy is a bad name for this genre

>>96140709
That's what the IDF and Israel society does to their neighbors already

>>96140640 (OP)
I see this guy's videos crop up on jewtube but I've never watched one.

It doesn't take a genius to understand he's rage baiting for views.
But for the retarded out there: designing something unique is fine. Nobody is mad he made a new race for his game. Calling them humans is the problem and has always been the problem. Even this guy who made the video, knows that, its why he did it for rage views. Categories are useful and when you make a creature from The Dark Crystal and call it a human, the label "human" becomes useless in your world.

>>96142388
He's one of those channels that got caught in an algorithm hiccup and one of his early videos when he was just starting was put in practically everyone's feed, so he shot from 0 to tens of thousands of subs in a week. His art is pretty good and his ideas are sometimes interesting, but he's got a terminal case of making some fucked up weird thing and then calling it some typical name, like Elf or Dwarf, even though it's some kind of beetle monster.

>>96140640 (OP)
Why would you care about the opinion of a Tolkientard?

why does people being mad affect what you have in your games

>>96141807
Why?

>>96142388
Last time OP made this thread, an anon who claimed to have watched the video in question said it's a sub race of humans who evolved from soldiers of an ancient war that mutated from eating radioactive rats, or something like that

So basically average jewtuber clickbait shit that ends up being straight up false and you only find out after giving him +1 view

>>96140640 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96142860
Title is only mildly clickbait, its still sort of a redesign in the sense that they're "humans, but different".
Premise is still very interesting, their role within the world and such

Only tangentially related, but does anybody remember the name of that science fiction novel where "human" came to be a catch-all term for carbon-based life that lives on Earthlike planets, so shit like giant spiders were considered human?

>>96143524
The Culture?
Human was basically a term for anything with the basic human body plan, 4 limbs, upright, head etc. But also anyone who used to be that and then modified themselves into whatever after that.

>>96142414
I liked the dwarf one, actually

>>96142860
>>96143409
at that point, you really shouldn't call them humans, you should call them something else like All Tomorrows does with its various descendant lineages of homo sapiens.

>>96140640 (OP)
Makes me think of a weird fantasy book I got off the rack at a drugstore in the '80s as a kid that is about a guy who goes spelunking and stumbles into an alt world where raccoons had evolved to become the dominant species.

The most evil creature.

>>96140640 (OP)
Yeah, I'm just not going to be forced to play as your faggy looking race, yeah I know, sorry!

>>96142388
>the label "human" becomes useless in your world.
I'd even say his retarded slopeface human is fine IF that's the point you're trying to make here. Some kind of posthuman setting where humanity has mutated into a vastly different form but still recognizes itself as human. Knights of Sidonia played with that a little bit: humans had genetically modified themselves to survive on a colony ship and as a result found the one unmodified human in their midst a gross novelty.

>here are my fantasy races!
>looks inside
>it's just humans of different height, or with slighly weird ears, or with slightly weird eyes, or with unnatural skin colors.

>>96140640 (OP)
I liked how that new Atlus game labelled the eldritch monsters you fight “humans” because it makes you curious about what’s actually going on. Not sure if it has a satisfying payoff though.

>>96143919
It's neat, but I wouldn't call it a dwarf. Mot just because it's misleading but also because you're subconsciously limiting yourself by trying to make it more dwarfy.

Take Gorons for example. They very clearly occupy the "dwarf" niche in Legend of Zelda, but they're also significantly different from dwarves in a lot of key ways that people would bilk at had they been called dwarves.

>>96140640 (OP)
Go to the worldbuilding general and stop killing threads.

>>96145073
Worldbuilding general is a dead thread tho. Just open it and lurk in it for a day or so, you'll see zero discussion, just the occasional barely disguised bumb to keep the thread from dropping off the board.

>>96144890
>this setting is human-only!
>look inside
>it's just apes with economic problems

>>96145077
Because fags like OP refuse to post in it.

>>96144892
It explains that all the fantasy species are post-humans evolved to keep from turning into the abominations that you fight in the game. So they're still human in the sense a victim of a junji ito horror story is a human, only by technicality.

>>96145250
It doesn't even matter if Op had posted in it, nobody would have responeded to him because basically no one actually engages in any discussion in those threads. There is little to no back and forth discourse going on, just people screaming their ideas into the void.

>>96145646
You mean like this thread?

>>96145719
No, because we are actually engaged in a discussion.
Take a look at the worldbuilding general yourself and see what I mean.

>>96142725
Because fantasy is about something much much greater and more abstract than "dwarves and elves and swords and magic". The name for *that* genre is "sword-and-sorcery" for a reason. It's technically under the fantasy umbrella because it's not merely "not true" (which is fiction) it's impossible (whether that's because of explicit magic or not is irrelevant for whether it's fantasy or not).

Fantasy is a supergenre for stories which could not take place literally as they are described. Sci-fi is another subgenre of Fantasy, an elder sibling of sword-and-sorcery as we know them today.

Fantasy is, at its core and as a bedrock principle, about asking what if types of questions and working through the answers in the development of the story. What if you could swap lives with someone? What if the universe really did conspire against you, manifesting as skewed probabilities / statistical chance? What if you could eat the souls of the young to sustain your life and vanity? What if you could wave a wand and conjure whatever you wished for?

What might be the consequences if the universe worked differently and what can we learn from those situations to illuminate our own existence? What is human nature and what's it mean to be alive? What do we want and what should we want and why?

That's what fantasy is about. Sword-and-sorcery obliquely engages with / references such questions dressed up as puerile entertainment. You teach children to share and be polite with picture books and cartoons. You teach teenagers how to grow up and respect the sanctity of their lives with sword-and-sorcery. You communicate ideals and consolation about mortality between adults with fantasy.

>>96140640 (OP)
Again, this is just HP Lovecrafts “rats in the walls” short story - nothing new in idea at all. People need to read more

>>96140640 (OP)
I'm fine with people re-imagining, but as long as it makes some sort of sense or has a valid reason. Like the whole "dwarves are maggotmen" thing, it works because Norse myth says dwarves were born in Ymir's corpse like, so the maggot connection makes some sense.

But when people do shit where they just shove random, unconnected shit together and say "this is a [insert existing creature here]" but has no resemblance to that creature, it's retarded and stupid. It would be better to just call it something else.

>>96146246
You just made a solid case for not only why fantasy is the most apt name for the genre, but also for why other names are simply unnecessary.
Fantasy is best for handling the impossible, while fiction remains solidly as a falsehood that could plausibly happen, and nonfiction covers the truths of our world; these are the only three categorizations we need.

>I rede-
I ain't playing a game in a setting with those sheep-looking niggas.

>>96144896
Next you're going to say Kokiri are elves. Pray tell, what are Zora?

>>96147997
Nah, the kokiri are halflings. Zora are elves, given the long lives, aesthetic orientation, and attunement to the purity of nature.

>>96144896
only because they're in mountains? that's gay
might as well say they're deep gnomes or some shit.

>>96140640 (OP)
Wow, figures a clearly pretentious ""artiste"" will completely fail to understand the appeal and purpose of humans.

>>96143524
the elder scrolls
We are only human"-an Argonian

>>96144890
>think humans-only is cool
>everyone wants technicolor long eared races and furries too
Are there really people who are estranged by their own humanity such that they are unwilling or unable to relate to it?

>>96151623
There's nothing fantastical or interesting about it to me at least. I live every day as a human surrounded by other humans. Most stories, comics, games, and films are also all about humans.

>>96151623
As >>96151721 put it, it's not interesting to me precisely *because* humans are so relatable. Also I find the human form aesthetically quite boring.

>>96147521
this