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>>96141747 (OP)
Played a game today, had fun.

>Powerful artificial muscles that are also ultra-lightweight, allowing you to build vehicles the size of buildings that are lighter than tanks
>Powerful stealth technology that can make your vehicles invisible to the naked eye and immune to all forms of other detection
>Powerful ECM and ECCM that's so strong it literally melts nearby infantry with the radiation it offputs and makes you immune to all forms of tracking weaponry
>Powerful gauss, plasma, and laser weaponry that can blast massive holes through vehicles at immense ranges instantly
>Powerful sentient AI that can take control of vehicles
>Faster than light technology
>Powerful layered armor that chips away a small piece at a time making them able to tank repeated shots
>Powerful neural-mind connections that allow anyone to connect with their technology regardless of its form and control it as a one-man crew
>Power-armor and jetpacks along with powerful incendiary anti-armor weapons that melt vehicles down to goo
>Infinite power fusion reactors
Shit, Battletech already has all the technology it needs to make Bolo tanks...

You guys do play Battletech, don't you? Tell us about the last game you had.
What forces did you bring?
Who did you fight?
Did you win or lose?
What did you do wrong?
Which mech was your MPV?
What was the most memorable moment?
Did you have fun?

>>96142161
>What forces did you bring?
Steiner aligned mercs
>Who did you fight?
Dirty Dracs
>Did you win or lose?
Tactical victory, financial defeat.
>What did you do wrong?
Put Hunchback in partial cover 4 hexes away from an Atlas.
>Which mech was your MPV?
Hunchback killed a Jenner and a spider that tried for early game backstabs on my Zeus.
>What was the most memorable moment?
Drac Atlas ran up to kick my Hunchback's head off.
>Did you have fun?
Yes.

It's going to take awhile to get this painted up to centerpiece display level.

>>96142161

From this months campaign game a couple days ago

The red/black guys are the opfor the others are ourguys

>>96142269
>non-canon bull shark
This has got to trigger somebody.

>>96142275

Overhead shot of the board

>>96142269
>>96142275
Such a shame to see all that terrain without a lick of paint on any of it.

>>96142281
How do you even find the time to paint all that without being a retiree?

>>96142276

Yeah its kinda offputting to me too. We are supposed to be playing Minnesota Tribe and I dont have much to do with the out of mission part of the campaign management i just play the missions

>>96142161
>>96142161
>You guys do play Battletech, don't you
>playing a game made by a criminal cabal of religious zealots who kowtow to the unwashed woke mob and who promote pedofile tranny propaganda
Fuck no. I'm here to gatekeep people away from the game and financially hurt CGL however I can. May not be much, but it's honest work.

Last shot i have

>>96142161
I don’t yet, but I am lurking as a mostly new guy. I’m intending on running a campaign with A Time of War thanks to having played a ton of MW5 and the 2018 game and thus, I am waiting and lurking and writing down notes.

>>96142276
The Bull Shark is really sexy-looking though

>>96142291
An hour or two every night or just every weekend night goes a long way.
The best strategy is to aint things as you print them, to get a huge pile like that makes the task seem so daunting it's hard to ever get into it.

>>96142161
Scanner drop from Instant Action, Snow Raven scout star against a heavy Draconis Combine Lance. The ravens scored a tactical victory at high cost, losing several mechs to successfully deploy the beacons. My only major mistake was running the Fire Moth a little too close to the Black Knight (ultimately resulting in its death) instead of keeping it on the edges of the map to drop more beacons. My Viper R carried the game, tagging several hexes with NARCs despite doing very little damage. The Adder C I brought also contributed a lot of damage and finished off the enemy Hatamoto Chi with a headshot after several volleys. Overall a fun game, though I won’t get a chance to play again until the end of August or so.

>>96142161
What forces did you bring?
FedSuns
Who did you fight?
Capellans
Did you win or lose?
Win
What did you do wrong?
Forgot how quad kicks work and tried to kick a Goliath from what I thought was a safe angle, couldn't stop my jagermech from getting bullied
Which mech was your MPV?
Jagermech for popping the Assassin that kept harassing him's ammo bins on a ridiculously lucky shot
What was the most memorable moment?
Javelin got its leg kicked off turn 1 and then detonated the Goliath's MG ammo the next turn.
Did you have fun?
Yeah but the last 1/3 of the match was me losing initiative over and over and trying to corral 2 mechs much faster than me and that sucked

>>96141747 (OP)
I've got a game coming up soon, 2500 pts king of the hill style free for all (allegedly) with 4-5 players. I was toying with 2 x Large Laser Panthers (8z's) and a bog standard Enforcer for 2514pts. Thoughts? Suggestions? I have no idea what I'm going up against, someone might just bring a single assault etc.

>>96142232
Is that a Monitor? I remember those from MW4.

>>96142926
>Mammoth
brain fart. sorry.

>>96142926
>>96142934
Confederate, found a 3D model and had to put a lot of work into it to make it mech storage and to make it printable.

>>96142914
What's the narrative theme behind this force?

>>96142914
>>96143013
>SLDF panther with all known examples converted to 9Rs
Clearly these are Marik panthers, with the PPCs removed and donated to equip an Awesome. Put them together with a Hunchback, you need something that can take a hit.

Can you attach catapults to Battlemechs?

Edge highlighting for just the top half took an hour.

>>96143261
Oh that is coming along fancily. 3D Print?

>>96142914
Only problem is your sorta slow. Having a single faster unit wouldn't be bad, but I reckon you'll be the hardest hitting force on the table, so there's some virtue in that.

>>96142300
Has anybody statted the Minnesota Tribe variants that appear in the HBS DLC for the tabletop? Like the Assassin with that crazy targeting system? Or those lasers that get more powerful the faster a mech runs?

>>96143286
Yes, first time printing something this large, first time painting something this large too.

>>96143013
I don't like PPC's and prefer large lasers from a purely aesthetic standpoint. There isn't anything wrong with PPC's a all, but I look to replace them with LL's whenever I can. Also it doesn't hurt really. I understand the 8z's a Star League era thing but downgrading PPC's when they're not available to the more common LL is certainly not unheard of. I'd take the Centurion 9AL if I could, but its a little to expensive.

As far as narrative theme its just whatever I could scrounge up from my painted merc company. This isn't a story game, just a weekend fuckaround with a bunch of mates. Normally we do a 20kpts game spit four ways that takes us about 4 hours. With an extra person we're cutting down the points a bit to make it quicker.

>>96143329
Is it in one piece, or multiple?

Local group is doing two things for our 1000 Years From Now series tomorrow. Part 3 of the ongoing Galtor campaign is an Alpha Strike game, a big urban brawl. Someone else in the group is doing a Gray Death Legion thing themed on The Price of Glory, a proper Battletech game.

I probably won't be at either of them, though. Feeling suboptimal tonight, though I may just be dehydrated. Drinking water now.

Have a photo from last week's game.

I know 3d printing is the way to go from here on out and CGL should die off, I can't help thinking of what some fun box sets would be...

>House Arano force pack:
>Centurion, Kintaro, Bull Shark M3, Atlas DHT

>Markham's Marauders Striker Lance:
>Blackjack, Shadow Hawk Umbra, Hatchetman 3X, Royal Highlander

>Minnesota Tribe Heavy Battle Star:
>COIL Flea, Assassin C, COIL Rifleman, Pulverizer, Bullshark MAZ

Stewart Dragoon Lance WIP update. Just the cockpits, weapon ends, and bases left

>>96143472
I would have loved to do the GDL fight. Theyre my favorite unit and Price of Glory was my first battletech book.

>>96143477
Just go play HBS BT man nobody wants that shit but secondaries

I think I’ve gone overboard

>>96143477
HBS BT and its consequences have been a disaster for the battletech universe.

>>96143622
Do what you love. At least battletech won't "Primaris" you out... The old models are still allowed in modern BTECH if you base them right.

>>96143407
1/4

>>96143950
2/4

>>96142276
>>96142300
>>96143477
I swear the Bullshark is the biggest calling card someone is a secondary

>>96143958
3/4

>>96143622
nonsense!

>>96143964
I'm going to do the interior as well

I can't wait for ACES.

(You) are now the Primus of ComStar, circa 3025. What do?

>>96144074
Kill the whore of Dieron. Begin to reactivate the warship fleet. Praise Blake. Draft new weapon plans based on the genetic composition of the Exodus fleet.

>>96144074
jihad

>>96143987
I doubt I'll play it but I kinda want that missile boat Bane Kraken.

>>96144074
Support Michael Hasek-Davion, assassinate Hans Davion. Keep the Gray Death Legion far away from Helm, though that can just be trying to contract them rather than killing Carlyle (and some other folks?). In the meanwhile, deal with the Helm core. And the New Dallas core, while we're at it. Stop the search for the Exodus Fleet while considering ways to reinforce the Coreward Periphery border; even without the Outbound Light, the Clans will invade sooner or later. Possibly reactivate the navy and start building up the ComGuard to that end.

Consider building/reactivating some lostech factories and selling to the various Successor States, using that as another tool to keep balance, and to keep them dependent on ComStar. It won't work forever, but it'll work for a while.

>>96143304
Those aren't Minnesota Tribe variants. Maybe the COIL, but the brokenly powerful special equipment is just "lol these Mechs were always really awesome, and especially the Marauder was basically BOOM HEADSHOT GO BRRRRRR".

>>96142161
>What forces did you bring?
RMP-2G, TLS-1B, PX-4R, GLD-4R
>Who did you fight?
GHR-5H x2, CRB-20, FS9-A
>Did you win or lose?
lost just barely, one grasshopper remained
>What did you do wrong?
challenged my wife to a rematch of our first game after she learned how to actually play
>Which mech was your MVP?
talos got some stupid shots in
>What was the most memorable moment?
talos kneecapping one of the grasshoppers just for the rampage to decimate it the next turn
>Did you have fun?
of course!

Fronc Reaches is proof of why putting republicanism in the Space Monarchy setting is a bad idea. No monarchical succession = no dynasty of characters to follow = nobody even knows who Fronc Reaches is.

>>96144241
If you go by the campaign story the DLC ones were supposed to be salvaged from the Wolverine ship by arms dealers, which would explain why they have improvements over the tabletop incarnations. Dunno if the Marauder counts, since it was a free update released at the same time as the DLC, though.

>>96144321
Battletech has characters?

>>96144331
>205cm

She's short for an Elemental (like 5'1", not like 4'10"), and also super thin. She's basically a cute little girl by Elemental standards.

That actually brings it into perspective well.

I drove a Hatchetman
In a FedCom med lance I did ride
Griff and Enforcers by my side
Many Cappellans by my AC/10 were slayed
Many a Drac spilled all their lifeblood on my blade
The Clanners headchopped me in 3051
But I am far from done

I drove a Bull Shark
The enigmatic joy and pride
Of the lost Minnesota Tribe
My thumper cannon brought both mechs and buildings low
So UACs and LBX could strike the killing blow
And when their rounds cooked off, they said that I got killed
But I am fighting still

I was a color man
I called mech fights for SBC
Between slugs of Fireball whiskey
My drunken antics, both upon and off the screen
Brought joy to fans the likes of which had been unseen
When my liver quit there was no donor to be found
But I am still around
I'll always be around, and around, and around, and around...

I fly a Phoenix Hawk
Across the macroscopic sky
Where there's much more than meets the eye
I'll find a place to rest and when I wake once more
Maybe I'll be in Valhalla, training for the final war
Or I may simply be a single drop of rain
But still, I will remain
And I'll be back again and again and again and again...

>>96144383
They're so tall that building codes need to be amended just for them.
They're so tall that you can't use them in the conquest of Davion worlds.

>>96144504
>They're so tall that you can't use them in the conquest of Davion worlds.

I always wondered how Elemental Marines worked in IS spacecraft, especially in armor. IIRC some DropShips are explicitly said to be cramped.

>>96142269
>>96142275
>>96142280
goooood shit

>>96144529
Zero G operations, one would assume. Hallways might not be high enough, but they'll probably be wide enough for them.

>>96144383
>She's basically a cute little girl by Elemental standards.
DEATH TO ALL NORMIE ELEMENTALS

>>96144578
Her books are conveniently at face height, where with a normie Elemental woman you'd need a stepladder to motorboat.

>>96144601
Boobs*

>hey grok, do you know fire moth from battletech? yes or no
>'yes'
>can you draw it?

>>96143910
It really has. It has set a precedent that will never be shaken and the damage it has done now is irreversible.
Never should have any elements of it canonized.

>>96144709
No happy little accident was had.

>>96144421
First verse is great.
Redo the second part and it'd be fine. Actually, why not do a verse about being an industrialmech pilot instead, it'd fit better.
You lose the plot again in the 4th.

>>96143496
very sharp panel lines bro

>>96144241
Fuck off nulnfag

>>96145304
>reeeee everyone is nuln!
whatever, fucktard.

okay procurement officers tell me, do we have a deal or what?
>30 tonner
>heavy PPC, 15 damage out to 18 hexes
>4/6/3, more than enough to skirmish in the open or maneuver in dense environments
>standard motive, standard structure, standard gyro, all for lower cost and easy maintenance
>10 IS-double heatsinks so run frosty cool as you run, jump and fire to your heart's content
>a healthy 4.5 tonnes of armour, enough to be well protected AND max out the head, so your jocks wont get antsy about piloting it

>"now, thats nothing special" i hear you say. "this has critical vulnerabilities in maneuvering and armour!" but, look closely - all this is packed into a LAM chassis!
>pick off enemy lights with ease by out-maneuvering and out-damaging them from the saftey of the air!
>enemy heavies threatening to overrun your position? simply shift modes and fall back to the next position!
>enemy aircraft harassing you? simply land and engage from a position of superior accuracy!
>not to mention the strategic maneuvering benefits of a mech that is it's own VTOL-capable deployment system
>ALL THIS... for less than 2.4m C-bills. is that a steal or what?

why do so many battletech mini paintjobs that i come across look fuck ugly? i'm not trying to bait here, i genuinely don't get it.

>>96145711
>Yes, Hammond, BUT… we all know LAMs are rubbish.

>>96145762
LAMs are just fine if you don't let Ray Arrastia's Raytarded takes influence you and instead use proper fanmade LAM rules

>>96145756
can you elaborate on that, Do mean the color scheme or technique?

>>96145711
I dunno man I just think LAMs are super gay

>>96145772
>May, fanmade is just another way of saying overpowered and nonsensical. Foolish, even.

Sometimes I really do wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper and easier to just give CGL money over 3d printing. Considering mixed quality prints.
Well, guess it's not really a dilemma since BT is barely even stocked around here, but still.

>>96145762
>its not rubbish! look, its totally separate from logistics lines, can be deployed from orbit without a drop-ship AND is zero emissions!

>>96145835
nothing gay about a hangar-queen that can go both ways

>>96145835
Same. "Oh it's a robot that transforms into a hybrid mode and a fighter jet" is just a bit too far for my suspension of disbelief. As cancerous as they are, IJJs and partial wings feel more believable.

>>96145756
Autism. Autistic people often have motor skill issues that affect their ability to hold a brush, not to mention they often don't have an intuitive understanding of what makes some colors look appealing or not to regular people.

>>96142161
>ou guys do play Battletech, don't you? Tell us about the last game you had.
We decided to do clanner stuff for once and did Trials of Position.
>What forces did you bring?
Supernova 4 cuz I was Nova Cats.
>Who did you fight?
6 clan heavies.
>Did you win or lose?
I got 3 kills and thus made Star Captain.
>What did you do wrong?
Shot one of the mechs dueling another player cuz my dueling partner broke Zell first and was hiding behind a hill. I pointed this out, but the OPFOR player ignored it and punished me by having one of that players next mechs in line come after me.
>Which mech was your MPV?
My Supernova, cuz it was the only thing I was running.
>What was the most memorable moment?
TAC thru the CT to crit both gyro slots on a fresh Ursa, getting me my 3rd and final kill of the night, even as I was at that point fighting 3v1.
>Did you have fun?
He'll yes. I killed a Fire Scorpion, Shadow Cat and Ursa, despite having some pretty egregiously bad dice rolls, and that TAC being basically the only crit I confirmed all night.
I've been planning on doing a batrep but have been busy all weekend and am going on vacation tomorrow, so if I do write one up, it won't be anytime soon.

>>96145933
Someone should make a Champion with IJJs and a partial wing.

>>96145711
How about you make a HPPC panther instead, this would greatly please the dragon.

>>96145927
>nothing gay about a hangar-queen that can go both ways
yet when I post everyone complains about me?

>>96145969
based anon

>>96146010
>How about you make a HPPC panther instead, this would greatly please the dragon.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Wight

Did they ever do official minis of the Animated Series mechs before that Sommerset Strikers force pack recently? I have this vivid memory of going to a discount store as a kid in the late 90s or early 00s that had a bunch of merchandise from cartoons that went off the air five or ten years before and they had those ridiculous giant Mech action figures with the spring loaded heads and right next to them there were a bunch of those old individual blister packed miniatures. Seems like a weird thing to have for a place that's not a hobby store. I dunno, maybe I'm misremembering it. Fucking Mandela effect.

>>96146019
Who are you?

>>96146019
It was the silliest fight ever. The Daishi had some ludicrous luck where literally every shot against him missed save only for a single MPL, despite doing nothing but sitting on a hill being a turret all game. Meanwhile the guy driving the Highlander IIC got wrecked by his first opponant in the Fire Scorpion, and the turn that the Shadow Cat hid behind a hill thus breaking Zell even tho he got to move after I did was the turn that I shot at the Fire Scorpion cuz my dueling partner was being a dirty surat. Also to help my sibkin out. Didn't end up mattering cuz the next turn a chain of AP gauss explosions killed his pilot, so I got to fight the Shadow Cat, Ursa and Fire Scorpion all at the same time, and even as I killed the Shadow Cat, the next mech from the trio I was originally slated to fight came in hard, so other than the first few turns, I was never less than 3v1 and I was hopping all over the place and carefully using terrain to keep the one mech I was dueling in LOS while avoiding the others or at least making their shots as hard as possible, and I still ended up with the same rank as the Daishi player when he just did hill turret mode and I was fighting tooth and nail for every shot. I fucking EARNED Star Captain.

>>96146067
You're probably remembering the matchbox Robotech minis of the unseen that were on the shelves at the same time. They're Clicktech scale.

No separate official minis for the show, other than the show invented the Bushwacker and Axeman 2N and those both got minis pretty quick after that.

>>96146165
Nta but I actually remember what anon was talking about. They were little action figure mechs with the LRM rack being spring loaded, and the head able to eject.

>>96145969
>Shot one of the mechs dueling another player cuz my dueling partner broke Zell first

You are lucky that your own breaking of Zell did not start a free-for-all. As a cadet you should have known better.

>>96146199
I was talking about him thinking he saw blisters. No, I have the old action figures with missiles and stuff. Got them new at K-mart in 1994 when I was like 7. Dude, Zoids were on the shelves for the first time back then. Then I think Power Rangers came out the year after that. Glorious time to be a kid that liked robots.

Never really understood the in-lore reason for LRMs existing, there’s no way you’re going to be able to hit a mech with dumbfire missiles at long range.

>>96146104
^w^

>>96146115
dude, fuck direwolves. hate that fucking mech. well fought.

not exactly sure why you sperged out and shot at the fire scorpion, but I would have probably done the same.

>>96146227
They're guided, not dumbfire. It's why you have the minimum range, can hotload, and can call in indirect fire. Dead Fire is actually an ammo type you can use for them that replaces the guidance with more explosive.

>>96146227
LRMs aren't dumbfire
Neither are SRMs, only MRMs and RLs lack a guidance system

So I'm putting together a 6000BV list for a game that's using Clantech and I'm a bit less familiar with that, particularly the omnis.

The Omnis I do have are the Summoner, Viper (Dragonfly), Fire Falcon, Cauldron Born, Stormcrow, Mist Lynx, Shadow Cat - no Timber Wolves or anything.

Are there any variants of those mechs that are standout good? Iguess I'm confused in that most omnis seem to be able to wear different hats, so its unclear which omni is best at doing what.

Also, are AMSes worth it? Some of the most intimidating Clan mechs I've seen play against locally tend to do LRM spam like the Nova Cat A, or use ATMs heavily and I'm not sure how you even approach fighting something like that.

Fellow davionmen, how are we feeling?

>>96146272
AMS can't really do anything against massed lrm fire under the current rules.

>>96146272
I'm just gonna mention the prime configs, I generally compare those and consider the alternate configs in relation to their own prime configs.

Summoner is durable and has jumps. Ebon Jag is durable and doesn't jump.

Both those mechs can take 2 engine hits and still keep trucking.

The fire falcon is probably your best light, and imo more effective than the viper.

stormcrow is extremely well tuned and dead simple to use, very durable due crit padding- having DHS in the STs instead of engine mounted.

At 6k, you'll want to pad out your initiative with elementals and focus on maybe one heavy and a handful others. I'd say 3 mech 2 BA, so you'll wanna figure out which of your mechs are comfortable carrying said BA.

>>96146235
>>96146239
They can’t be guided, what’s guiding them?

>>96146279
Like Jules is a cowardly faggot and Erik is the proper First Prince by being the only not-retarded Davion.

Also, Caleb is secretly alive in a Snow Raven sex dungeon. His tank was manned by a body double. He doesn't want to be rescued.

>>96146279
Been to any porches lately?

>>96146451
Magic

>>96146451
Pigeons.

>>96146272
6k BV is pretty tight for a clan list, but at 4/5 pilots you can just squeeze in 3 of your heaviest mechs with the right configs. Summoner A, Ebon Jaguar Prime, and Stormcrow C together come in at 5978 BV and get you a handful of pulse lasers, a pair of Gauss rifles, and some LBX and SRMs for crit seeking. That’s a good mix of hole puncher, high accuracy, and crit-seeker weapons to deal with most threats, and most of your mechs are decently mobile at 5/8 and 6/9 movement brackets. Every one of these mechs is also a generalist, so your whole list won’t fall apart when you lose a mech.

If you wanted to run more units, you could drop a mech to pick up one of the budget Vipers as a good elemental taxi and some battle armor to ride it. I’d recommend either a Viper J for a very budget-friendly option, or a Viper E if you have BV to spare. Take the AP gauss elementals if you can, otherwise the micro pulse or standard laser ones would be my pick.

>>96144331
Not big enough, I want a Zentradi mechbunny.

>>96146010
its suprisingly not that much of a step up
from the 3051 PNT-10k you get 5 more tonnes and spend it on half a tonne of structure, 2 tonnes of armour and an extra jump jet. oh and an nun-cramped cockpit i guess.

its 200 cheaper in BV but 200,000 more in C-bills presumably because of the endo-steel... i dont see the appeal

>>96146600
You're never gonna get that lol

>>96146451
LRMs are self guided, and shielded such that they can get through the ECM screens at least some of the time.

>>96146626
Incorrect, we now have kaiju record sheets on the way, which means kaiju construction rules can be reverse engineered, and from that we will have Zentradi.
Or you can just use any of the existing kaiju construction methods like the one magazine article.

>>96146638
That’s not how ECM works, you can’t shield yourself from your sensors being blocked, to find the enemy target they have to be able to detect it

>>96146652
>you can’t shield yourself from your sensors being blocked
Yes you can. That depends heavily on the form of ECM used.

>>96146682
No, you really can’t, *maybe* you can buy yourself a little time from being actively intercepted if you have a hard enough shell that a laser takes more time melt it, but either way you’re stuck with a dumbfire missile.

>>96146705
>maybe you do something to shield yourself from ECM
So you can?
>either way you’re stuck with a dumbfire missile
No, LRMs are self guided.

>>96146723
Being self-guided doesn’t matter when there’s no way for it to track the enemy mech.

>>96146740
It tracks the mech via its guidance system.

During the Clan invasion, were there any mercenary commands hailing from (but not contracted to) the Free Worlds League or Capellan Confederation that fought the clans?

>>96146748
What mech? How is it going to track a mech it cannot see?

>>96146790
Clearly it can see the mech if the guidance system can track it.

>>96146790
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.

>>96146798
Its guidance system can’t track it because it cannot see it.

>>96146790
The firing mech's sensors provide targeting information during the launch phase.

>>96146813
And yet the guidance system of the guided missile manages to track and hit mechs all the time.

>>96146818
So it’s literally just tracking the last known location of the other mech, and if the other mech moves the missile just misses entirely.

>>96146822
Yes, we call those inconsistency in the setting.

>>96146835
If the guided missile can hit a target it's tracking via its guidance that means the guided missile can see the target.

>>96146835
The magic pigeon tracks the other mech.

Keep up.

>>96146835
The mech's sensors provide the initial information in the launch phase. The onboard guidance systems takes over in the terminal phase. The onboard guidance systems are much less capable due to physical limitations, which is why a variable number of missiles hit per volley independent of the actual difficulty of the launch system putting the missiles where they need to be.

>>96146849
Which it shouldn’t be able to because the missile has no way of seeing the target. Unless it’s straight up magic it’s a pretty big setting inconsistency,

It's not complicated guys. The missile just knows where it isn't.

>>96146279
I miss Hanse Davion. If he were here he'd straighten this mess out.

>>96146860
Explain why you think the missile can't see the target it clearly can see.

What's the weight difference between an IOS LRM-20 and an RL-20?

>>96146976
There are no known methods of detecting a mech that the mech’s ECM doesn’t account for,

>>96146976
it got a fly in its eye and had to blink

>>96146985
The basic ECM systems do not mask the mech for the most part, they deceive guidance systems. The general location of the mech is usually easily detected.
Basic ECM systems are not perfect and cannot deceive contemporary guidance systems 100% of the time.

>>96147029
Guidance systems that tell the missile where the mech is. It doesn’t matter if the human pilot knows where the mech is, what matters is that the missile is blind. Optical sensors? Blinded by lasers, or the mech just becomes invisible. Infra-red? The mech can hide its heat. Active radar? The mech is invisible to radar because of stealth technology. Passive radar? The mech can turn off its radar. Laser designation? Smoke and armor coating to scramble the sensor. Radiation guidance? Every mech outputs as much radiation as Chernobyl during its meltdown, it literally cannot find the center of the radiation because there’s so much radiation everywhere.

>>96146985
LRMs use a method to defeat ECM. They're basically as perfect as a weapon on the BT battlefield can be, which is why everyone uses them instead of a random smattering of larger missiles. The exact method has never been spelled out, but its existence is explicit. It's possible that they need to be fired in clusters for this system to work.

>>96147078
The fact that they can’t think of a reason their own missiles would work so they just don’t tell us is reason enough to call it a setting inconsistency.

>>96147074
>or the mech just becomes invisible
>The mech can hide its heat
>The mech is invisible to radar because of stealth technology
>Smoke and armor coating to scramble the sensor
None of these are part of the basic ECM system.

>>96147108
They’re all covered under ECM.

>>96147118
And?

>>96147137
There’s no way around them. You can’t un-invisible a mech.

>>96147078
>It's possible that they need to be fired in clusters for this system to work
Thunderbolt seems to be similarly accurate as a lone missile, so it's probably not that.

>>96147155
Thunderbolt was also invented approximately 850 years later.

>>96147152
Did I not just explain to you that most mechs cannot turn invisible?

>>96147169
Many can though, and even though that don’t still have lasers to block missile optical sensors

>>96147188
>many can
There's like 10 mech variants with equipment that can do that.
Where did you even get your information from?

I work on these sorts of systems irl and all I can say is that all of you are retards, except for: >>96147001 >>96146804 which were funny.

Post mechs.

Post lewds.

idfc. Just stop whatever this is, holy fuck. Pic unrel.

>>96146976
Enemy deployed Evasive Confection Measures.

>>96147402
This. It's a setting about mechs punching each other, it's not supposed to make sense.

There's a few things one could reasonably infer to be part of the basic ECM package.
>basic radar jamming and deception suite(but not chaff)
>standard and IR dazzler of some sort
>simple heat decoys
>maybe smoke for IR and visual
Anything more than that would reasonably require the more advanced ECM packages.
The existence of light polarization, chaff pods and perfect masking from electronic detection as systems separate from the basic ECM package means those are abilities the basic ECM package does NOT possess.
Whatever particular ECM systems mech's have, it's enough to defeat basic mech sensors some of the time and common guided weapons quite often.

>>96147419
>it's not supposed to make sense
Something complete newfags and secondaries say, probably got popularized on reddit or something.

>>96147409
The innovations of guardian ECM.

>>96147462
The setting runs off of rule of cool and 'meh don't think too hard about it', if you try to make sense of things you'll go crazy lol

>>96147402
>the obnoxious faggot that constantly posts off topic bullshit begs people to stop discussing battletech in /btg/
wow

>>96147481
Then it wouldn't even attempt to explain any of the in-universe technology.
Battletech was always supposed to make sense, it simply makes some modifications and assumptions in specific areas to create an interesting setting.
Please stop trying to normalize your stupidity.

>>96147419
You didn't need to do me like that.

>>96147491
You get what you deserve.

>>96147527
>Then it wouldn't even attempt to explain any of the in-universe technology.
The explanation is itself designed to be cool. "Wow guys, the ECM is so powerful it's shooting off huge amounts of radiation, people literally melt just by being anywhere near it!" It's literally just a NEXT from Armored Core, that's cool, but not necessarily logical.

>>96147539
Many of the explanations are completely mundane and unexceptional, so that's clearly wrong.

>>96147561
Not really, most of the time when they're trying to explain something it'll end up being something cool. "Wow guys, we have this super advanced sentient AI, but when it goes through FTL it goes CRAZY like it's been infected by demons and tries to kill everyone, radical!"

>>96147567
Yes, really. Most of the technology isn't wild or supernatural at all.

>>96147538
You are the only person that deserves a cancer as bad as yourself.

>>96147582
Supernatural, no. Wild and cool, yes. For gods sakes their premier technology are bipedal giant robots that punch each other and have the armor of a land battleship.

>>96147606
Battlemechs are just a combination of mostly mundane technologies.

>>96147419
>>96147481
>>96147539
>>96147567
>>96147606
You seem to be a person that thinks something cannot be cool if it makes sense. You also seem to be incapable of making sense of many things. And you infer the intent of other people's world building based on your own inability to understand things.
You seem to be a naturally and willfully unintelligent person, and it figures you are kin with bottom.

>>96147614
Right, a combination of ultra-lightweight artificial muscles that allow them to make massive vehicles the size of buildings, but yet which are lighter than tanks, a fusion reactor producing infinite energy with the power of the sun, ECM so powerful its emitting Chernobyl meltdown levels of radiation that liquifies humans, ablative armor several thousand times mores powerful than the real thing that is also ultra-lightweight and allows the mechs to be night immune to any modern weaponry, and lasers so powerful they blast holes in the sides of mountains.

Nothing cool or wild there.

>>96147679
You can have something be cool and make sense. It just so happens that battletech is cool and doesn't make sense, and that's okay.

>>96147695
>It just so happens that battletech is cool and doesn't make sense
Because you are too stupid to make sense of it.

>>96147709
No it's because the setting breaks its own rules for the sake of cool

>>96147709
> war is waged with bipedal robots
Cmon, you dont have to keep baiting, nobody is going to be convinced that isn't a silly concept

>>96147539
>"Wow guys, the ECM is so powerful it's shooting off huge amounts of radiation, people literally melt just by being anywhere near it!"

No canon material has ever claimed this.

>>96147743
Then how do you explain how radiation missiles aren't able to track it?

>>96147686
>>96147686
>massive vehicles the size of buildings, but yet which are lighter than tanks
Wrong.
>a fusion reactor producing infinite energy with the power of the sun
>ablative armor several thousand times mores powerful than the real thing that is also ultra-lightweight and allows the mechs to be night immune to any modern weaponry
All categories of combat vehicle use these.
>ECM so powerful its emitting Chernobyl meltdown levels of radiation that liquifies humans
Wrong, demonstrably not the case in the fluff.
>and lasers so powerful they blast holes in the sides of mountains
Maybe naval lasers.
You're just some retard who thinks he knows more than he does spouting a bunch of bullshit.

We know the default ECM is good enough that you need visual confirmation to identify what a unit is. You might know that there is a mech, but you won't know that it's a Battlemaster until you actually see it. From a long enough distance, you won't even know it's there and that's why sensor pods are used instead of just setting up a big ground radar near your base. You also can't easily detect dropships in an atmosphere, so sometimes pirates have bases surprisingly close to their regular targets, sometimes on the same world as a military base that's trying to hunt them down. Scout units are a regular feature of all forces because long range detection is a crapshoot at best.

>>96147736
>it's silly to me so it doesn't make sense
Do I need to point out all the silly things in real life that still happen?

>>96147785
incredible how sci-fi authors treat ecm as magic

>>96147753
"Anti-Radiation Missiles are special-purpose missiles which can be fired from SRMs, MMLs and LRMs. Similar to Listen-Kill Missiles, ARAD Missiles are able to home in on active electronic systems, however unlike L-K missiles they do not sacrifice their range or damage potential, and are not easily confused by ECM. They are however incompatible with Streak or Artemis systems."

>they can make armor so strong that cannonballs simply bounce off harmlessly
>that's just rule of cool, such an armor is completely unrealistic, how could you ever make such a thing?

>>96147824
Did you know that many vehicles in real life have ECM systems that make them impossible to 100% positively identify without visual confirmation?

>>96147762
>Wrong.
Look up the actual weight of the mechs sometime.

>All categories of combat vehicle use these.
But they're a waste on anything but the mech wunderwaffen

>Wrong, demonstrably not the case in the fluff.
Not wrong, otherwise long-range radiation missiles would work.

>>96147872
Yes, but no vehicles IRL have ECM so powerful it renders BVR combat obsolete and melts nearby people.

>>96147843
Having armor so strong that cannonballs bounce off is realistic. Having that armor only able to be used on robots and not on any other type of vehicle isn't.

>>96147872
no where near that extent lmao. youll be hard pressed to find any form of ewar that forces WVR engagements

>>96147188
>Many can though
No, even the best stealth equipment will never render something invisible, you'll always be able to tell by some distortion even with the best in active time fibre optic camouflage.

>>96147907
>ECM so powerful it renders BVR combat obsolete and melts nearby people.
That's not a thing in battletech, manic.

>>96147925
>Having that armor only able to be used on robots and not on any other type of vehicle isn't
You dumb secondary. The standard armor mechs use can be used by any combat vehicle.

>Make up things that have never been true
>Base your entire argument around them
>People tell you you're retarded.
Prints (You)s.

>>96147982
Yes, obtuse anon, but the tracking system that theoretically should work on an LRM missile seems to magically stop working on a plane.

>>96147907
You keep claiming that ECM can melt people. Burden of proof is on you. Show us a single example of this happening in canon. If you can't, that means it doesn't happen.

>>96147907
>economy melts people
Only one anon said that without any sources and you bit the bait so fucking hard, you're still bitching about it 3 days later, because your retarded assertion that stealth doesn't exist in Battletech got shredded by the actual game rules.

The people melting thing is easily disproven by APCs. They use the same systems for everything except how they physically move, but the infantry getting in and out of them don't die.

>>96148030
So were you lying yesterday, or today? You cannot simultaneously have all these advanced technology that could be applied to other vehicles and yet have mechs still be the dominant form of weapon. If you want the ECM that melts people, you have to deal with the consequences.

>>96148053
In the very first novel there's an engagement where a battlemech is lying in wait for Infantry inside a hangar. Despite the Mech being operational and actively scanning for targets, no one involved is melted by its sensors.
>>96148063
You are a schizophrenic retard. Nobody is being melted by sensors.

>>96148063
I never claimed that the ECM melts people, only that you're an idiot for falling for the bait.

>>96148106
Then how do you explain why BVR combat doesn't dominate the setting? Why are mechs that punch each other still used over stand-off ASF's?

It would actually be incredibly based if there was a mech that had a switch that made it just blast everyone around it with microwave ~ gamma radiation.

Attach those around your mech's ankles and go for a stroll in a Capellan suburb (slave camp).

>>96148111
Because war is for men, and men who see giant stompy punchy robots will always choose to use those over any other machine of war,

>>96148111
Why does infantry still exist IRL?

>>96148199
Hence why the setting isn't meant to be taken seriously. It's a goofy-ass setting about pseudo-knights punching each other in the face with giant robots, not some gritty military sci-fi about actual war.

>>96148213
non sequitur

>>96148213
Because those infantry are necessary to clear out and occupy the city after the planes have taken out their vehicles and outer defenses. But a mech can't go from house to house clearing it, it's too big.

>>96148234
Not really. You ask why in setting, anyone bother with anything other than BVR aerospace.
It's the exact same reason IRL militaries don't use jets for literally everything.
Like, what point are you even trying to make? Clearly it works this way in setting, regardless of whether the people in the thread can justify it, and regardless of whether or not it satisfies your autism.
>>96148247
Mechs frequently can, and do, conduct garrison and city defense operations, things which air assets are less efficient at.
Also, you're assuming air superiority, which can in no way be guaranteed against a peer opponent. Not every conflict is America vs goat herders.

>>96147907
Neither does a Battlemech

>>96148111
Here you go retard. There's the ecm rules and the spotting rules for different detection types. We don't care about the exact mechanisms by which they do it because it's all sci-fi handwavium anyway. And if you weren't a cave dwelling troglodyte you'd realize that nobody cares about the super fiddly sci-fi technobabble anyway. We're just here to play the game where we get into giant mechs to punch the other giant mechs.
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>>96148313
>Mechs frequently can, and do, conduct garrison and city defense operation
So then infantry in the setting are obsolete.

>Also, you're assuming air superiority, which can in no way be guaranteed against a peer opponent
Which is why money spent on mechs would've been better spent on ASF's to get that air superiority. If you don't have air superiority you're almost certainly going to lose anyways (at least not without a decades long insurgency first) so if your goal is to actually keep the enemy out of your territory air superiority is your goal and if you don't have it you spend money on getting that. Mechs without air superiority are just giant targets.

>>96148332
>because it's all sci-fi handwavium anyway
Thank you for admitting the thing you were denying earlier, I accept your concession.

>>96147907
Ask a Navy man about all the birds that get cooked by the AEGIS array sometime. It won't melt you, but you wouldn't enjoy standing in front of it either.
>>96148354
You're confusing me with someone else. I just told you to not take the bait from whoever did claim in the previous thread that ecm melts people.

Now take your meds and fuck off.

>>96148226
No, that's a very serious point.
Modern militaries are working on making war mechs a thing. No one cares about some armchair nerds who endlessly repeat that "mechs aren't realistic!", men want mechs, mechs are coming and will be a thing IRL, there will be wars with combat mechs IRL because the very idea is appealing to manly men, mechs are valuable psychologically both boosting your own forces morale and lowering opposing forces morale as well as looking great on camera for PR/propaganda purposes.

>>96148405
>Modern militaries are working on making war mechs a thing
The only militaries that have attempted to have military mechs so far are Russia and Nigeria. The US briefly tried them out before discarding them as useless.

>>96142161
>Tell us about the last game you had.
My usual opponent was out of town, so we played over megamek instead of in person.
We tried out a dark ages match, i dont remember what mech variants we used.
>What forces did you bring?
My usual Davion-aligned mercs. Lately I've been trying to learn Aerotech, so i brought two fighters loaded with some fuel-air bombs. I only remember one of them was a mechbuster.
My mechs forces consisted of a thunderbolt, legionaire, nightsky and a phoenix hawk as my commander.
>Who did you fight?
Capellan-aligned mercs on a false flag operation.
A Bulldog, Yellow jacket, Panther, a Battlemaster as commander and two other mechs i dont remember. A medium with plasma rifles and a heavy trooper
>Did you win or lose?
I won. It was very back and forth for a while though.
>What did you do wrong?
I didnt understand the maneuvres for fighters well enough, so they spent a lot of time off-board.
Opponents big mistake was driving his tank over a bridge that couldnt bear the weight.
>Which mech was your MPV?
Legionnaire my beloved
>What was the most memorable moment?
Leveling a city block with bombs and then having the legionnaire run in and mech-fu a mechs head off.
>Did you have fun?
I was a little worried about the balance of the game since this was my first game with aero assets against a real player, but at the end i had a great time.

>>96148423
>The US briefly tried them out before discarding them as useless.
No, they're still using their robodog packmule, and once the programming difficulties have been figured out they will be using full size combat mechs.

>>96148456
>they're still using their robodog packmule
That program was dismissed as a failure.

>>96148423
If the russians ever get a mech on the battlefield the USA will be obligated to do the same, it would be seen as a loss against the ruskie communists otherwise and that will never be tolerated.

>>96148460
They. Are. Still. Using. It.

>>96148423
To be fair this was quite a few years ago and/or with a country that has no actual capability to develop them. I imagine with advances in robotics a lightweight mech could be feasible.

>>96148468
Not really, the first person to actually put mechs on the battlefield is going to be a fucking laughingstock. No 1st World nation is going to see this thing and think they need their own.

>>96148477
prove it instead of sperging

>>96148423
I mean ground based drones are absolutely a thing, but they mostly look like tanks or RC cars and they go do things like drop off a few landmines. Supposedly, they've been used for trench clearing with MGs kinda like the call of duty killstreak a couple times, but I didn't see the combat footage for that one so I'm dubious.

>>96148477
>At the end of December 2013, the BigDog project was discontinued. Despite hopes that it would one day work like a pack mule for US soldiers in the field, the gasoline-powered engine was deemed too noisy for use in combat, and it could be heard from hundreds of meters away. A similar project for an all-electric robot named Spot in 2016 was much quieter, but could only carry 45 pounds (20 kg). Both projects are no longer in progress, but the Spot was only released in 2020.

>>96148503
If we can ever actualize lithium-oxygen battery tech I'm sure someone will make another attempt at it. The real weakness in batteries is power to weight, and that's where LOx will finally catch up to gasoline if they can ever make it work outside a lab. Im not convinced they will anytime soon since I've been hearing about it for almost 15 years at this point.

>>96148503
>2013, the BigDog project was discontinued
>the Spot was only released in 2020.
You see the flaw in your argument?
Projects get mothballed pending better tech frequently, as drones with munitions are currently proving to be a great boon on the battlefield, other unmanned/autonomous platforms will be given a second life.

>>96148549
>Both projects are no longer in progress
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>96148503
>but could only carry 45 pounds (20 kg)
That's enough to carry a tactical nuke into places where a drone or guided missile can't get to.

>>96148573
Eh, I mean, underground sure but there's better weapons for handling underground enemies

>>96148405
Name one company developing bipedal mechs for war. Defense contracts are lucrative and numerous so if you are correct this should be easy.

>>96148645
>Name one company developing bipedal mechs for war.
Kalashnikov and Kantanka Automobile

>>96148645
Ghana
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qrS9RV8ifyc

>>96147897
A tank built to the same specifications of a hunchback 4G(aside from not being a mech obviously) is one ton lighter.

>>96148913
Yes, using the future ultra-lightweight materials of the setting. Keep in mind that the Atlas battlemech is lighter than many IRL tanks.

>>96148936
The word 'many' is being misused a lot in this thread

>>96148951
Either way there's much better uses for ultra-lightweight materials than making punchy robots with them. IRL we'd probably use them for planes to carry way more missiles or detection gear (Battletech ironically vastly underestimates just how much weight planes and VTOLs can carry.)

>>96148913
Construction rules favor missiles and large ballistics for tanks anyway since they don't care about heat for those. You certainly can't make a mech that does the SRM carrier role without exploding from heat, but on the other side of the scale just look at a Schrek compared to an Awesome.

>>96147686
>ECM so powerful its emitting Chernobyl meltdown levels of radiation that liquifies humans

That was retconned in like 15 years ago because the current devs can't handle "Shut up, it's just a fucking game!"

I blame the guy on the OnlyFans who posts with a picture of Jayne and appointed himself official Cock and Ball Torture Physicist.

>>96149039
It's always silly to me how Battletech devs will retcon their own setting into not making sense because the explanations they gave were too outlandish for people who think everything has to check out scientifically

>>96148936
>the Atlas battlemech is lighter than many IRL tanks
Name ten real life tanks heavier than an atlas.

>>96147686
>>96147762
>>96149039
I honestly think that ECM burns should be a thing and line infantry should have some protective measures, even if it's just some kinda hoodie poncho with a face flap.

>>96148951
There were 2 Maus tanks built by Germany. At 200 tons each, they qualify as "many" tanks heavier than an Atlas.

Jokes aside, the real thing is how absurdly light for their size the mechs are, not their overall mass.

>>96149147
Panzerkampfwagen VIII “Maus”
Panzerkampfwagen E‑100
Landkreuzer P.1000 “Ratte”
Landkreuzer P.1500 “Monster”
Gerät 040/041 “Karl‑Gerät”
KV‑5 (Object225)

That's enough to be 'many' to me.

>>96149161
erm actually they were 188 tons each

>>96149171
You do know half the vehicles you listed didn't actually exist, right? The Gerät 040/041 wasn't a tank either.

>>96149171
>Panzerkampfwagen VIII “Maus”
Valid.
>Panzerkampfwagen E‑100
Not built.
>Landkreuzer P.1000 “Ratte”
Paper project
>Landkreuzer P.1500 “Monster”
Paper project
>Gerät 040/041 “Karl‑Gerät”
Unarmored SPG, not a tank.
>KV‑5 (Object225)
Paper project

Many (the vast majority) of your examples are not acceptable. Try again please.

>>96149171
You gonna list the Bagger 288 next?
Or maybe the fucking Orion drive space battleship. That's about as real as most of what you listed.

>>96149233
The fact that functional IRL tanks still manage to be almost twice as heavy as a mech the size of an office building is proof enough of how lightweight mechs are.

>>96149171
A paper tank does not weigh even one ton.
>Landkreuzer P.1500 “Monster”
>Gerät 040/041 “Karl‑Gerät”
Those aren't even tanks
>KV-5
The KV-5 saw numerous revisions, some of them above or below 100 tons, none of them were agreed upon to be a production or prototype variant.
>I wasn't being serious.
I know.

>>96149171
so weird one off prototypes that relied on massive amounts of armor and not advances in material sciences that would obviously be the case in the future?

>>96149247
Doesn't matter, the fact that this thing weighs less than an Abrams tank and is almost 4 times as fast despite being a Heavy Mech is damn impressive.

>>96149243
A mech is not the size of an office building. It is two levels tall. Kill yourself immediately.

>>96149278
>>96149247
>>96149250
Pic related. Runs 86 mph to the Abrams 25 mph, and is 3 tons lighter, despite being a Heavy Mech.

>>96149280
The fucking urbie is portrayed as being nearly as tall as a parking garage

>>96149288
And? The Abrams weighs the same as certain WW2 tanks yet has up to 10x (turret face) the effective armor thickness in terms of RHAe as said WW2 tanks. Its the future.

>>96149288
>3 tons lighter
The latest abrams variant is 67 tons.
>Runs 86mph to the Abrams 25 mph
KILOMETERS, anon
The abrams has a top speed of around 70 km/h.

>>96146787

I think the Rolling Thunder fought the Smoke Jaguars

And Capellan troops from St Ives implicitly fought the Jade Falcons

>>96149349
>The abrams has a top speed of around 70 km/h.
40 km/h

>>96149365
No, 70.

>>96149298
Art is the lowest form of Canon. Mechs are two levels tall.

>>96149380
40. Using 'on-road' speed doesn't count because the enemy isn't going to just pave a road for you to use, and even if a road already existed, the tank would damage it by using it.

>>96149288
>>96149349
>>96149365
>>96149380

>>96149395
Road speed counts.

>>96149399
On PAVED ROADS. I doubt the enemy is going to pave you a road for you to drive on ahead of time, and even if you find one already there, if you actually use it, the tank will destroy it in the process of using it

>>96149409
For the purposes of actual practical usage in combat, off-road speed is the only speed that counts. Thus that mech is, in all combat situations, over twice as fast as a tank.

If tanks or planes are such a good idea, why don't they ever show up in nature? Checkmate tankfags.

>>96149414
>>96149414
Strategic speed is actually pretty important, so road speed is an important figure if you're deployed on an inhabited planet.
>but it destroys the road.
Tanks only destroy roads if there's a lot of them and they make repeated use of the same road.

>>96149395
>>96149412
It counts in the rules.

>>96149442
>Tanks only destroy roads if there's a lot of them
Considering the only advantage tanks have in the setting is that they're cheap enough to spam, the only time they'll be used is when there's a lot of them.

I think the weirdest part about battletech is that there doesn't seem to be any separation between crunch and lore. I've seen people use mechanical justifications for things that would make no sense as a representation of reality.

>>96149411
>Today, our heroic Boys in Blue whipped the dirty rebs at Antietam. It was a bloody victory and hard fought, but liberty and justice prevailed.

>>96149466
Fluff overrules crunch if there's a novel source that contradicts a game rule.

>>96149243
The mech is about as tall as a school bus is long, but usually heavier. An F-16 is longer than many mechs are tall, and some variants can weigh about 20 tons with some loadouts.
Last I checked, nobody complains about school busses or F-16 weights being off.

>>96149453
If we're bringing up the spammability of tanks, you gotta remember that most of those aren't going to be Manticores or Pattons or the other good designs. They'll be quickcell shitboxes like the vedette, the hetzer and cardboard coffins like the various missile carriers. The major logistical bottleneck of an invasion isn't how many of those trash tier tanks you can spam, it's docking collars and thus dropship space, and that's where a Thunderbolt is beating the Manticore it competes against in weight class, where the Awesome beats the Schrek, where a King Crab trumps a Behemoth, and a Wolverine easily outclassed a Vedette.

>>96149466
That's only among players and certain hack writers. Most of the time the actual rulebooks go out of their way to say the gameplay doesn't represent lore at all.

>>96144383
>Petite elemental.jpg
<Elemental is petite :(

>>96149466
Fiction overrules game mechanics. Most of us are just kinda autistic and we're here to argue.

>>96149507
Modern aircraft do not have any significant armor protection to the point that 9mm pistol rounds would likely perforate their fuselage

>>96149538
Meanwhile "light" battletech ASFs have armor that can shrug off shots that would slag an Abrams.

>>96149507
That's the point. There are ASF's that go up to 100 tons, and have more armor than many battlemechs, which begs the question of why they still nosedive into the fucking ground as soon as they take a scratch.

>>96145921
Being able to pick the mechs you want as opposed to the mech you want and up to 3 or 4 others you dont need is worth it.

>>96145921
>mixed quality prints
Skill issue, printers are basically dummy proof so I don't get your problem

Would it be gay to have a Warcrow in the Ghost Bears star? Do the Snow Ravens share the War Crow at all?

>>96149747
The MUL has it as a Raven Alliance exclusive, so you just need to add in some backstory about your Bears defeating some Ravens and claiming it as isorla

>>96149576
Doesn't happen in the fluff.

>>96149761
Or what if there was preexisting fluff about the Bears and Ravens being friendly?

>>96149774
Sometimes I wonder if Battletech is actually a post-conflict setting and everybody in the setting deliberately is fighting in a retarded fashion because it's their equivalent of an honor duel that instead of a war to be taken seriously.

>>96149747
>Would it be gay to have a Warcrow in the Ghost Bears star?
Nah
>Do the Snow Ravens share the War Crow at all?
Probably with Star League allies.

>>96149892
Everything between the mid Age of War and Reunification War and the Third Succession War through to the Fedcom Civil War had some degree of deliberately holding back to avoid MAD. The level fluctuates, but most of the time it's been held in those eras that you should avoid civilians and urban areas, don't use nukes or bioweapons, and let the other guys surrender or retreat with at least their soldiers lives intact.

>>96149980
This goes a little further than that, it's less about MAD and more about fighting in an honorable fashion, the Inner Sphere may not have the same code as the Clans, but they both still believe, fundamentally, in a sort of...'high class warfare', where you don't resort to underhanded tricks or weaponry.

>>96149992
The great houses didn't stop carpeting urban centers with nukes because they wanted to stop, the great houses stopped carpeting urban centers with nukes because carrying out such offensives became suicidal wastes of now irreplaceable equipment. Then they all came to an informal agreement to maintain this low grade warfare for pragmatic reasons.
The great houses stopped engaging in hundreds of years of total war because they bombed themselves into not being able to maintain total war anymore.

>>96148391
The technology of today is not the technology of the future; what problems we face now won't be problems in a thousand years

>>96150153
Right but there's a vast amount of grey area in between "Let's just nuke the fuck out of each other" and "Let's agree to meet on the battlefield with equivalent mechs that look suspiciously like knights and engage in good old fistcuffs and swordplay." And the fact that the only faction that has ever actually stayed somewhere in the middle of those two extremes was a faction that had no aristocratic tradition and was instead a confederation of democracies yet was still successful says a lot about how culture influences the choice to use battlemechs probably moreso than practicality.

what ever happened to that anon who was doing the batreps? I think the last one was Davion vs Steiner schoolgirls

>>96150239
Whatever obscure periphery nation you're referencing was not successful.

>>96150240
The last one was Marik vs Humphreys and it's a monthly thing at most. It wouldn't be fun if it was happening all the time.

>>96150278
They fought the clans to a standstill, I'd say that's pretty succesful.

>>96150378
No?

>>96150397
Yes. Clan Raven was wholly unsuccessful in conquering them, and eventually agreed to a merger (which Clan Raven was basically a 'dishonorable warship using faction' by Clan standards so they liked the 'dishonorable ASF using faction anyways)

>>96150407
The one serious military campaign the ravens carried out utterly crushed the forces of the planet it was targeting, then the government of the outworlds alliance destabilized and basically surrendered control of the state to clan snow raven.

>>96150278
FWL is neither a Periphery State, nor a minor one. Even if it is the red headed step child that the devs DNGAF about, it still is a Great Power that fights the other Great Powers as a peer rather than an underdog like the Taurians or the other minor players.

>>96150448
>Clan Snow Raven and the Outworlds Alliance first encountered one another at the end of 3063,[4] when a Raven unit attempted a Trial of Possession for a JumpShip belonging to the Fifth Alliance Air Wing. The Outworlders' victory in the trial impressed Raven leadership enough for them to negotiate a partnership with Outworlder President Mitchell Avellar, offering clan technology in exchange for the Ravens acquiring resupply facilities in Outworlder systems. Over the next few years this deal expanded, revitalizing the Outworlds economy and allowing for the creation of the Corax omnifighter.

>>96150513
If you can read wiki articles why don't you keep reading and see the outworlds alliance surrendered to snow raven and made the snow raven khan the highest authority in the nation?
Clan snow raven didn't invade the outworlds alliance, they didn't need to invade them to gain control of the state.

>>96150541
Anything past 3067 is fanfiction

>>96150239
>a faction that had no aristocratic tradition
The position of head of state and commander of the armed forces of the outworlds alliance was held by a single family for literally the entirety of the state's existence.

>>96150498
Capellan Confederation was the 'sick man' of the inner sphere and they should have been finished off before the clan invasion.

>>96150498
In practice the FWL is a feudal hereditary monarchy like all the other great houses.

>>96149747
>>96149870
Bears and Ravens have pretty consistently been on good terms and given they’re both participating in Third Star League I’d say they’re the most likely faction to have one besides the Ravens. I think the Carrion Crow is hoarded a little more aggressively though, they don’t even share that one with the Outworlds half of the Raven Alliance.

>>96150498
>fwl
>no aristocratic tradition
>federation of democracies
It's a federation of many different government types, but most of them have aristocratic traditions. The head of House Marik is literally the Duke of Atreus by title, in addition to usually being the Captain-General. Both Regulus and Andurien are aristocratic in nature with Dukes in charge by birthright. Some of their states like Shiloh are theocratic instead. Oliver is explicitly a military junta which took power from its previous democratic government due to the ravages of the succession war.
The FWL parliament has representatives from each member government and theoretically the parliament is in charge of federal matters, but they gave up a bunch of power to the Captain-General "for the duration of the emergency" with no exit clause or definition of "emergency", so it's fallen into the hands of a hereditary noble anyway.

>>96150541
So in other words they were completely incapable of actually militarily conquering the ASF using nation and had to use political intrigue instead.

Is it a condemnation of republicanism and democracy as political systems? Sure. But it's a praise of the power of the ASF. The same government system that falls to the political intrigue of monarchists is nonetheless militarily superior to them.

>>96150740
>incapable of actually militarily conquering
They never tried.
The only example of a serious military campaign being undertaken against the outworlds alliance saw them occupied almost without resistance until the occupying force got tired of committing atrocities and just left.
The outworlds alliance has never been shown to be a significant military power. Their record is getting the shit kicked out of them by the inner sphere, winning one minor trial of possession of a dropship, losing a planetary invasion against snow raven, then effectively surrendering to clan snow raven.
The outworlds alliance has been a backwater shithole teetering of the edge of total collapse for most of its existence, that most of its neighbors ignore just because its planets present so little value.

>>96150740
This guy keep posting slightly different versions of the same AI generated image. Is this a bot?

>>96150838
>They never tried.
Well they couldn't take over a single jumpship so I doubt they have had much more success elsewhere

>>96150848
That's official lineart of the Corvax omnifighter you idio

>>96150856
They had plenty of success on dante. Then the OA almost collapsed and snow raven took over.

>>96150898
>They had plenty of success on dante
You mean the planet that the OA deliberately refused to defend? That planet? The one they didn't fight for at all? Hard to win a battle if there's no battle.

>>96150861
There is no "corvax" omnifighter.

>>96150918
>refused to defend their planet from a foreign power, local defenders destroyed
Yup, sounds like they lost.

>>96150938
So in other words, every time they fought the Ravens, they won.

>>96150953
The defenders of dante were OA forces.

>>96150975
There were no defenders of Dante, it wasn't defended.

I hate everyone in this thread more and more every day.

Perhaps the person claiming the outworlds alliance is a military powerhouse that defeated the clans is not being genuine.

>>96148213
>Why does infantry still exist IRL?
Population control. We need to get rid of disposable young males to keep society stable. There's certainly no valid military reason. All warfare should be drone based.

>>96151039
Surely there would be some military defeats to show that, right?

>>96151039
In fact, I'm pretty sure it's one guy that's been posting AI images and disingenuous, factually incorrect arguments for months.

>>96150925
Then what you call this, idiot?

>>96151114
Obvious AI slop. Look at that shit attempt at a signature. Stop spamming your shit tier gens and fuck off back to whatever thread you crawled from.

>>96151114
That's a corax.

>>96148213
Because for some reason people get bitchy when you just delete things from a distance.

>>96150706
I'm >>96149870 and was trying to make a joke. Though for what it's worth, I feel like the devs completely forgot about the Raven/Bear friendship the moment FM:WC was done printing.

>>96149383
Canon only applies to auteur projects like star wars, where lucas will come down and tell you what's real and what's not.

Nothing in battletech is canon after it started getting sold and traded around like a dockside hooker. I don't give a shit what some ascended fanboy turned official cheap novel writer has to say.

>>96143972
>>96143964
>>96143958
>>96143950
Coming back later, apologies. That is fucking awesome.
>Iron Crosses.
Nice.

>>96151143
Exactly. The official canon lineart of >>96150740. So what the fuck is the issue? It's exactly what I said in >>96150861

>>96151240
You called it a corvax, which it isn't. It's an AI image that smudged a lot of the details and the artist's signature..

>>96151181
Aside from the part where the Ravens built the Bears a big-ass warship to help them fuck off to the Inner Sphere (and then fucked off to the Inner Sphere themselves shortly after) they don’t seem to have as many major interactions as you might think.

PLASTIC SAVAGE WOLF WHEN

>>96151428
Ravens helped the move more than just the Leviathans, and also in FM:WC their alliance is mentioned a bunch of times.

>>96151428
I keep hoping there's a campaign where the Bears and Ravens DP the Combine for a decade or two.

>>96151829
An upcoming 3SL lance

>>96151878
I'm now visualizing a Japanese girl getting Eiffel Towered by an Elemental and a Pilot.

She's making those funny fake Japanese porn sounds, and at a funny angle to accommodate both dudes.

>>96147402
no you don't.

>>96147538
fuck off, tranny

>96152614
>96152619
>samefagging to shitpost on posts 16+ hours old

What about an AMS system that can engage multiple missile attacks in a single turn, but you have have a chance for it to jam and be useless for the rest of the game?

>>96152659
could work

>>96152659
>>96152677
Call it the Rotary anti missile system and just reuse the RAC rules for jamming but it can't unjam. Roll for jam in the end phase after counting how many flights it engaged.

>>96151168
And tbf, there’s never been a time in history where infantry has been less important than it is now.

>>96152737
People keep saying this, and it never turns out to be true.

>>96151208
Lucas never actually paid much attention to SW canon. When novel writers asked him about some kind of setting bible to ensure their writing remained consistent with his vision, he just directed them to a bunch of the Star Wars RPG sourcebooks he had zero involvement in writing of. He had some rules he maintained, but that was about what people could write about (i.e. not naming Yoda's species, and no writing about the Clone Wars era until he had started working on the prequels), and he frequently contradicted what he had already established if he got a new idea he liked better (Vader being retconned into being Luke's father instead of the guy who killed him being the most obvious one).

>>96153006
I think people are looking at the war in Ukraine and drawing the wrong conclusions. The fact that there's only a few people per trench and thinking it's because infantry are irrelevant rather than because any more than that invites air strikes and precision artillery.

>>96153006
Ok, boomer. Wank over your infantry. Drone swarms will do the real work.

>>96153006
It’s true right now. Infantry in Ukraine are pretty much just there to be a temporary roadblock holding the enemy in place just long enough for a drone to kill them.

So during the clan invasion you have the big name battles everyone knows, twycross, Walcott, luthien, tukayyid, etc. What about some of the less known battles, especially in the JF invasion corridor, that weren't detailed in the novels?

>>96153509
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Clan_Invasion_Era_Military_Operations
Some that stand out to me are Battle of Persistence, Battle of Winfield and Battle of Wotan.
Can find them and more in the Jade Falcon Sourcebook in Snord's mega

>>96153578
Appreciated, thanks.

>>96153006
>Be Russian. Nuke trench with precision >missiles and arty

>Advance Men!

>Get slaughtered by another trench 10 feet >behind the first. Get counter attacked by >drones, MG's, and AT weapons

>FUCK! NUKE THAT TRENCH WITH >PRECISION MISSLES AND ARTY!

>1 Million Casualties later, "Good Job Prīvət!
>We advanced 100 feet!"

>>96153509
>sakhan deez nuts

Why do the clans spend so much building new and better second-line mechs if they greatly preferred Omnimechs? Especially after REVIVAL, it feels like there's a whole wave of new conventional battlemechs being built by the Sphere Clans. Why didn't they just keep using the same old clankers and old omnis as second line units?

you are all dead wrong. the books, the only 'in-universe' accounts we have, always show LRM's as 'locking on' to a CCIP crosshair that the pilot controls. the 'guidance' of the lrm's is merely the lrm's driving onto the target point the pilot is 'aiming' at.

>>96154028
Battemechs are cheaper and easier to produce, and while nobody likes being assigned garrison duty it’s still a job that needs to be done. If you can set up 2-3 factories that shit out enough mechs for garrison duty where you’d otherwise be setting up 1 factory for omnimechs (which then get relegated to guard duty anyway) it makes more sense.

I'm planning to pitch a quasi historical set during the clan invasion, inspired by but not a perfect recreation so people can bring their own mechs and the scale can be reduced. Canonically the clanners won, and I'd like to reflect that by giving them an advantage without turning it into a curb stomp. This is the starting point in my mind, I'd like some feedback so I can fine tune it.

Mechs: IS get 4 lances of IS mechs, Clanners get 2 stars of omnimechs, 20,000 BV. Clanners then get any mechwarriors who aren't 3/4 upgraded to that for free.
Other units: IS gets a lance of heavy conventional vehicles. Clans get a star of elementals.

applied quickshade last week. used too much and still waiting for them to dry. thinking about trying additional details with a white paint marker before matte coat. still thinking about what to do for basing. maybe mud texture and coiled metal wire for a sort of no-man's land?

>>96153025
Exactly. He either said "sure he's a vulcan or whatever the rpg named his species, I'll use that" or he said "I didn't write it so I don't really care", and that's exactly how it should be.

You can then further refine this with a personal pass of "midiclorians and han shooting first are stupid so those didn't happen" to taste.

>>96154506
*greedo shooting first
That'd be a pretty weird stance to hold otherwise.

>>96154332
It's not worth asking here. 90% of the posters are secondaries who own the urbanmech box at most, the other 9% only play lance vs lance bv matched introtech deathmatches. The 1% who could answer your question from experience barely ever post here anymore.

>>96154332
Trying to rig the outcome never goes well, just let them go at it RAW, if IS wins it won't change canon, and just because clan win that planet/batchall doesn't mean they won every individual battle involved in it.

>>96154905
So do you think 20k BV will result in an even match between 10 omnimechs and 16 IS mechs?

>>96154944
BV is the best at making equal matches, but's not perfect.
Even in identical mirror matches though, player skill and dice create inequalities.
Don't worry about it.

while I'm watching enamel dry on my only day off, any lancemate suggestions?

>>96155011
forgot the picture. please forgive.

>>96155015
Locust and either Vindicator or Cicada, depending on if you want the theme to be chicken walkers or capellan mechs (or both). Crab would give it a more combine flavor.

>>96155082
recommendations appreciated. will be going the chicken walker route.

What mech would you put the wandering hero in in a Battletech adaptation of the Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars/Omega Doom story?

>>96155429
A tough medium or heavy. Either something very common like a Thunderbolt or weird and old like a Gladiator or Hammerhands.

>>96155429
I've always thought the Centurion has strong main character energy.

>>96155015
complete the missile door lance with some archers. get the ARC 2K version and the ARC 2R. or add the ARC 2S model. all three have new sculpts available.

then your whole lance / star have missile doors.

>>96146235
Anyone here have any luck with deadfires?

>>96156180
They are pretty simple in practice. You sacrifice a bunch of range to do slightly more damage on average, with the possibility of big swings but also total whiffs.

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>>96156222
>>96156222
>>96156222