I do believe it's time for an Eberron thread. Remember that 3.5 is the best system for an Eberron game!

>>96172810 (OP)
>3.5
It's good...but Savage Worlds does it better.

>>96172825
Does it?
Idk much about Eberron but Savage Worlds is better than any d&d when it comes to the Dark Sun setting.

>>96172825
How so?
I know jack shit about Savage Worlds besides having glanced at Savage Pathfinder once.

>>96172810 (OP)
Running Eberron with PF2E

>>96172825
Does it cover exponentially more convoluted crafting bullshit? If not, then it's not giving the 3.5 Artificer experience.

>>96172810 (OP)
Changelings don't get enough love or support.

>>96173415
For me it's shulassakar. Couatl yuan-tii are fucking awesome.

>>96173415

Baker and his co-writers put so much effort into making the different races have cultural depth, changelings were cool.

>>96172810 (OP)
My group's just twoweeks into an Eberron campaign. Looking forward to it.

I want to care about Shifters more. But I just don't.

>>96172810 (OP)
Though Keith himself does say 5th's rituals are the perfect way to do the Magewright NPC class.

>>96173415
I liked the novels with the Changeling villain.

>>96173519
I don't fully agree with that, at leat on Khorvaire many of the races would get sublimated into the Five Nations.

>>96173346

I have run and played Eberron in D&D 3.5, D&D 4e, Pathfinder 1e, D&D 5e, Pathfinder 2e, some PbtA Dungeon World hack, D&D 5.5e, and one or two other systems that I cannot quite recall.

D&D 4e has been my favorite system to run Eberron in, with Pathfinder 2e in second place. I have been considering running Eberron in Draw Steel or Daggerheart at some point, or possibly Dungeon World 2.

I am currently preparing to run Eberron in D&D 4e again. I like the greater occult conspiracies of Eberron (the daelkyr, the quori, the fiends, the dragons), though I tend to tone down the power level of dragons, because I think that Keith likes to overtune them too much.

>>96174110

>Though Keith himself does say 5th's rituals are the perfect way to do the Magewright NPC class.
That was originally in reference to 4e's rituals.

https://keith-baker.com/dragonmarks-6616-edition-wars/
>With that said, there is one particular element of 4E+ that I like for Eberron, and that is rituals. Vancian magic has never quite made sense as the foundation for Eberron’s magical economy, because it’s a little hard to see how a magewright locksmith could make a living when he can only cast Arcane Lock twice a day. Under the 4E ritual system, Arcane Lock takes ten minutes to cast and uses 25 gp worth of components. The magewright locksmith can lock as many doors as time and resources allow, jacking up the price sufficiently to make it worth his time.

>>96172825
>>96172835
Quiet down guys, you're gonna rile up the SW autist and he's gonna be in here ranting about shotguns.

>>96174148
Oh my bad, misremembered the article


>though I tend to tone down the power level of dragons, because I think that Keith likes to overtune them too much.
As individuals or you just trim down the size/population of Argonessen so they're not a huge faction that only avoids roflstomping everything out of fear of losing their minds?

>>96172810 (OP)
How do you guys feel about those fan maps with far larger Scions' sounds? Gives the area a bit more space for there to be naval battles where the sides can't just run to the nearest coast with ease, but makes Thronehold a VERY inefficient capital

>>96174210

>As individuals or you just trim down the size/population of Argonessen so they're not a huge faction that only avoids roflstomping everything out of fear of losing their minds?
Both.

https://keith-baker.com/dm-arcane-arts/ (ctrl+f for "wild dragon")
https://keith-baker.com/dm-arcane-arts/#comment-227298

Here, Keith Baker unironically claims that a challenge 24 dragon in the 5e Monster Manual is just some wild dragon, not a proper wyrm of Argonnessen, who would be much more powerful. This is ridiculous to me, considering that the mightiest of the known daelkyr, Dyrrn, is also challenge 24.

This is not even factoring in the greatwyrms.

I am fine with dragons being the most powerful mortals. I am not fine with dragons being stupidly, crazily powerful by so vast a degree.

>>96172835
Savage Pathfinder pretty much lets you plug and play any D&D setting and D&D is actually pretty fucking pulpy so it fits surprisingly well.

>>96174282
I guess that's because the Daelkyr are a sideshow and the Overlords are the ones who are meant to be on par with the Great Wyrms?

>>96172936
D&D played outside the core gameplay being dudes clearing a dungeon full of traps and monsters searching for loot to clear harder dungeons with more deadly traps and monsters with better loot is a shit show.

The best thing you can do is use a different system if you are going to play anything else. Given how combat focused D&D became post 3e, having a system that is built around a fast combat resolution principle, it speeds up the gameplay dramatically. Artificer? That's mainly different flavored grenades, guns, and familiars. So use the rules for those in the system that has rules for them and flavor it how you want. Does a game really benefit from an indepth crafting system that only one edge case will interact with? No. Just make a Smarts check and sacrifice some gold whether you succeed or not and move the fuck on.
Savage Pathfinder introduced Class Edges which are pretty damn strong and gives you the hero vibe you want in a high fantasy game.
Do note that Pathfinder (and 3e players) are so fundamentally retarded that PEG had to release spell cards with PF spells named because PF players lacked the ability to just make up spells that did the same thing which is incredibly telling.

>>96172810 (OP)
>Remember that 3.5 is the best system
Yup

>>96174244
Holy autism, Batman!
It's a good map but messes up the geopolitics too much. All the kingdoms would be investing a helluva lot more in naval ships, magics, water-related magewrights and naval warforged specialists. Imagine armies of warforged walking on the seabed to reach their island/coastal targets completely undetected.

>>96174282
They would be consider Mythic creatures. No one stat block could contain them or they might not even have a stat block

>>96174077
Shifters are the best

>>96174653
>Given how combat focused D&D became post 3e

D&D originally was a wargame hack of the fantasy supplement for chainmail, the hero units in the game were called superheroes and wizards. It's a similar story of WC3 and DotA
It wasn't until the mid 80s Dragonlance that D&D became more than just team based skirmish game wargamers would play on side to explain what happened between major battles

I got art of a bone knight who's armor isn't just regular metal with a couple pieces of bone like the official art shows.

>>96180879
I mean seriously, this guy looks cool, but what the hell about him works with the idea of the armor being immune to rust attacks and Heat/Chill Metal?

>>96180879
It's like the polar opposite of my character (Undead hater "gish" Cleric).
With an animated shield no less.
Fuck yeah.

>>96174110
>I liked the novels with the Changeling villain.
Heirs of Ash trilogy? The villain's name was Marth? Because fuck yeah, those were great, and I think they're a great example of Eberron as a whole and really demonstrate the setting's original premise of "everything in normal D&D is here, but with a twist". Heck, there's even a twist on the unique-to-Eberron things: Marth doesn't like shapeshifting, for example.

And Eraina d'Deneith is my go-to example of how to Paladin. And Zed Arthen is my go-to for how to ex-Paladin.

>>96181033
I really liked them, up there with Baker's own, Legacy of Dhakaan, and the 4th War-Torn book Aka, "Libris Mortis: The Novel"

Also liked the Darkwood Mask (Can you tell I've got a thing for Karranth? and the first trilogy before Dhakaan.

Lost Mark was absolute hot fucking garbage, the starting town Lynchmob plot was nonsense that had the mayor change who he wanted to kill at the drop of a hat, a whole party breakup over the SILVER FLAME burying a body in the fucking mournland. Dropped it there. First book of the War Torn was bad, second fairly good, third was okay (I liked its prequel story in the Last War anthology too, but that may be my set-in-Karrnath bias talking)

>>96181021
Sweet. I've never actually played him in anything with dicerolls(Given he initially started as a theorycrafting cheese build with Trollblood+Bonecraft's Nonlethal immunity for near full HP damage immunity and B&B's 3rd party feat for Cha-casting that's probably a good thing,) just imagined him and gotten art and social RP Oh and a DDO Dark Apostate cleric based loosely on him. Initially he was mostly Reinhard from LoGH, but it turned out I really liked social RPing him as a bully so more and more Char Aznable crept in.

>>96172810 (OP)
>claims 3.5e is best eberron edition
>posts the 5e map
what do i believe?

>>96172810 (OP)
>3.5
Sure, but can I use the The Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords?

>>96181297
Absolutely and good taste! Check out Dragon Magic too

>>96181033
>>96181218
I also liked the second Abraxis Wren book, but the first, and indeed all of the other non-abraxis Inquisitives are missing from the black rat inn youtube of pirated audiobooks.

The pudgy hitman Lanternlight Files books were okay too, shame the third never got made. (Not quite as big a shame as neither of Baker's series' getting to finish)

>>96180879
>>96181218

Oh and face.

>>96181297
>>96181302
Eberron's got room for everything. I could see warblades being huge in Karrnath and Darguun. Swordsages more Darguun and Eldeen and the Orcs.

Crusaders with any religion but the flame espescially.

Apparently when they made Eberron they increased all doistances and times by 10 or something simialar.
That's why it has history going back a million years and the Lightning Rails bankrupt a traveller when they pay by the mile.

>>96174157
Consider the universal truth that good games don't accrue autistic haters

>>96181944
That could be it, though dividing by 10 does make things seem a bit too small the other way at least for Khorvaire's size.

>>96173415
Changelings make the best girlfriends because you can love her for who she is, not for what she looks like.

>>96183045
Love her for who she is, bang her for what she looks like.