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>Previous Thread:>>96202909>TQ:What would you make the 2 starter armies for a theoretical Old World 2nd edition.?
>TQ
Kislev and WoC are the mostly likely if it can only be pre-exsting faction then WoC and Cathay
Does this new basing scheme look much better?
>>96219643Old one for comparison.
>>96219643Yes it does, please continue with this style.
>>96219643Yes, higher contrast and more interesting to look at, go with the new one.
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Speaking of basing: I'm trying to decide between a couple of potential basing schemes for my Bretonnians (Pictured are the Unit champions/Sergeat-at-arms/a musician for my army (may be used for mordheim also)). I was thinking "Forest floor", but I need to think of specifics. How do those birch seed leaves hold up? What snow effects are the "best"? (I'm considering winter/autumn), would it instead be more interesting/striking to base around everyone being stood in a wheat field? (If so: What options do I have for that?) Suggestions are welcome, basing is something I've always found hard.
>>96219526 (OP)>What would you make the 2 starter armies for a theoretical Old World 2nd edition.?Skaven and Lizardmen
I never had the opportunity to compare, but holy hell, resin recasts are so much smaller than the originals
>>96219816Had to save cost, goy.
>>96219745if you wanted the birch seeds to stay 100% stuck and not shed you could put a dab of superglue on each one to attach it, durability wise ive generally found that anything on the bases is protected by the mini stood on them so nothing really gets rubbed off or damaged.
As for snow it depends what kind youre looking for, Ak snow sprinkles is pretty good for melty/wet snow, I think snoow microballoons are for thicker crunchy snow but ive never used them
>>96219526 (OP)>>TQ:>What would you make the 2 starter armies for a theoretical Old World 2nd edition.?tomb kings and bretonnia again
this time with all new miniatures except the hero on pegasus and the hero on bone dragon
>>96219526 (OP)>TQLizardmen vs Tilea/Estalia
>>96219526 (OP)>TQLizardmen vs Dark Elves
>>96220004This is a good pick and feels natural
>>96220004>Lizardmen vs Dark ElvesShowing those liggers what non-retarded mounts look like
>>96220014I'd rather have both factions get their 3 types of cold ones cavalry units.
>>96219526 (OP)Empire versus empire cmon give me my HH starters. Ulric versus sigmar its what everyone wants. Legacy shit can come alter.
>>96220062I also like this but only if they redo the basic empire sculpts (melee and missile troops) and give them puffy sleeves and no stupid missing shoes (and also not half women because you just know you cannot trust GW at present to be sensible)
>>96220048Can you rank the AoS ones up properly? In any case, 40 bucks per 3 riders is brutal.
>>96220014If they ever do a new Lizard box, it should have a new Saurus Warriors/Temple Guard kit, a new Kroxigor kit and new Cold One Riders.
>Just use the old models.They would easily the most outdated looking kits. Make new kits for the army and actually base the new designs on the art 7th-8th edition art for the Lizardmen.
>>96220135I agree, but there is no chance in hell GW are not just re-releasing the old kits.
>>96220135>make new kits for standard coreNo. They'll either make new things for things that didnt exist yet or something that had their mould broken.
>>96220151Someone needs to take one for the team, go to England and break some molds then.
Does anyone know where I can get recasts of dark elf metals? BMM only has a few. Looking for the characters on cold ones, specifically.
>>96220062Absolutely deranged, everyone does not want a box catered toward one army lol. Empire fags are insufferable
Finally got paid and deciding if to buy these Chaos Ogres for my Chaos army. Thoughts?
It's a split between these guys or the Chaos Ogre command set.
>>96220237unless ur going for a distinctly oldhammer look I would still rather convert my own from ironguts
>>96220062Nobody cares for empire. This is not 40k.
>>96220277>>96220229They need to reinforce the time period of the old world. It would spike popularity 10 fold. They need to be able to stand next to cathay and kislev models without being mogged.
>>96220260I like the Oldhammer sculpts honestly. Choice between the previous one or this.
>>96220118>Can you rank the AoS ones up properly?yes...
>>96220333...but
the good news is that nobody would bat an eye of you had them count as two models each
Switching armies for a change.
>>96220289No it wouldn't spike popularity lol, this isn't 40k where every other person has a space marine army. The setting doesn't revolve around the empire. Why is every empire fag absolutely deranged?
Any Skavenbros here? I'm wondering how many Rat Ogres would be the optimal amount to have in a unit. I'm thinking 4-5 seems good.
>>96220432>The setting doesn't revolve around the empire.It kinda does, I'm not a massive fanboy of the Empire, but it's the location of the setting with the most lore, history and detail put into it a lot of that's due to WFRP, but it's also where most of the protagonists of BL books come from it's were great deal of the campaigns were set like Storm of Chaos, Nemesis Crown, Sigmars Blood, even the End Times despite being ostensibly occurring around the world was mostly focused on either the Empire or Ulthuan.
The Empire is Warhammer Fantasy, whether you like it or not.
>>96220135It's going to get really weird if tow and aos both start releasing updated models for the same units, I feel like they want to keep selling old kits where possible, and keep the new sculpts for armies without aos equivalents (brets, tomb kings, empire, ...)
>>96220432Total war and its consequences
>>96220492Agreed and also you can tell by reason of how relegated bretonnia had typically been compared to it despite both being potential human default protagonist factions
>>96220432Cathay selling out proves that people care more about humans than some shitty dinosaurs or tacked on Egyptian skeletons.
>>96220521Hey retard consider also that they have brand new sculpts and good rules, while TK and lizardmen are still stuck with models as ancient as they are in-lore
>>96220521I don't know many people who play TOW and bought Cathay models. From my circle it's mostly AoS players who bought them to use them as some AoS proxy. This is just anecdotal and the real test will be if we see them get play in tournaments and events. We also need to see if they will be a mainstay army or if people just like them because they are new and will get bored instantly once new plastic sheen wears off.
>>96220521Okay? That means nothing for empire specifically lol
What would be some fun allies to bring into a khornate chaos force?
>>96220492I'd call the Empire the 'viewpoint faction'. The setting is mostly seen from the perspective of the Empire - all the dates given default to the Imperial calendar. Magic is defined in relation to however the Empire does it: Battle Magic, Elementalism, Illusionism etc in TOW, the Eight Lores later. We call the moons 'Morrslieb' and 'Mannslieb', not 'Gormlhune' and 'Mornalhune'.
Some people say 'protagonist faction', but that's dumb. It's a setting, not a story and while some factions have a greater role to play on the global stage, it's your guys who are the protagonists. But the Empire provides the reader/player with a window into the world.
>>96220772Being the viewpoint faction does mean the setting revolves around that faction though
It's finally out. They were really cutting it close to release it by the end of the month.
>>96220822Not necessarily. Factions like High Elves or Chaos have more impact on the course of history or on the fate of the setting. The Dragon Emperor has large scale plans for the world. Karl-Franz is concerned with stopping the Elector Counts squabbling with each other.
In a way, the lower stakes make it a better viewpoint though. It's a nation of normal people, not gods and monsters.
Obviously in the End Times it all goes SIGMARSIGMARSIGMAR, but that's as much because GW want a fantasy God-Emperor as it is that Grunburg is of pivotal importance to... anything.
>>96220881TOW is building to the great war against chaos, where the empire was the lynchpin.
>>96220492>The Empire is Warhammer Fantasyboth the high elves and goblins have featured in the starter sets twice unlike the empire
>>96220492And that's a good thing because the Empire is rad.
>my friend who got me into TOW cause of Cathay finally has time to play in person
>I got so hyped I bought a whole second hand army, rules etc
>guy can't bloody finish the Cathay box before Sunday
Really? Is it that bloody hard to put it all together? It's plastic
>>96220893And who did the High Elves send to this most important battle for the fate of the world? Three mages, because they couldn't spare anyone else after Finuval Plain.
The Great War Against Chaos was important for the Old World and the Empire as the position from which the reader views the world. That's why we care about the 12th Everchosen. But there were at least eight more Everchosen we know nothing about, presumably because they attacked places that weren't the Empire.
>>96220893No, it will be cathay. Empire is too fractured an incompetent
>>96220933>playing with over 50% unpainted minisCringe
>>96220964All my minis are painted, unless you meant him, where yes it is cringe.
>>96220958Empire will make it, just needs an ugly bastard to come and fix it
>>96219526 (OP)TQ: Chaos goblins, inspired by the old 1st. edition pe-slottabase minis and the old Realms of Chaos-rules.
>>96220881>The Dragon Emperor has large scale plans for the worldAll this new Cathay fluff just gets funnier when you remember the End Times and AoS just around the corner
>>96220940Umm chief do you actually know the lore of the great war?? Of magnus?
He literally saved the world. It's not just a 1 off event the empire and teclis carried
>>96220934Just check drivethru
I have no idea how to custimize the new cathay warriors. They seem impossible to customize.
>>96220339I guess add a unit spacer behind them, if anyone complains, go for spme trees/ brushes though I'd try and find some shitty toy dino's to put there
>>96220933Don't have the box but I know Specialist Games kits love their bits tiny and every model to need like 20 so actually it wouldn't surprise me
>>96221065It's important but there are many different times the world has been saved. We focus on the ones that were most important to the Empire because we care about the Empire, not because the Empire is the only one that is important.
Do you see the difference? The fall of Nehekhara and the death of Nagash is equally important but we're not going to have a campaign about that.
>>96221168Focusing on the empire doesn't exclude others importance, it just means this setting is focused on the empire and the old world. I can say the lizards are arguably after HElfs the most important faction but are less important for the story or setting that's presented.
>>96219643Looks great. Almost like the soil is wet after a rain. Really cool contrast.
Am I correct in this interaction?
>Armour of the Damned
>Forces rerolls to hit which succeed
>Hatred
>Allows missed hits to be rerolled first turn
>Interaction
>Missed rolls are rerolled once and successful hits are rerolled once
Is that right?
>>96221065>He literally saved the worldwhat was asavar kul's plan to kill the world again?
>>96221284Before the Preyton, 100%
wonder if C7 or GW will show anything at Gencon this year
>>96221273He's chaos, it's a given he's a puppet at some level and the chaos gods want to chaos the world which for non chaos is essentially destruction no matter how chaos winning appears for chaos.
hello im looking for a rapist army
in the absence of fimir, are beastmen or goblins or something else the rapiest?
>>96221316Beastmen easily
>>96221183Yeah, I agree.
My point was just that focus faction is not the same as most important (to the world) faction.
>>96221306They have a livestream on Sat, so we'll get an idea then.
>>96221308>He's chaosbut he wasn't the true everchosen destined to destroy the world, so he couldn't possibly destroy the world
he had no plan for it, it was just a BIG raid, not a world ending threat, perhaps an empire ending threat, but not a world ending one.
>okay maybe I'll get the cathay battalion after all after lots of thinking
>out of stock
Is fate trying to tell me something?
>>96221349>true EverchosenNo such thing, you're either Everchosen or not.
I'm sure the End Times did some gay shit to present Archaon as the extra specialist of all, but every Everchosen considered themselves to be the one that would ultimately be successful. None of them were like 'guess I'm just a stopgap measure who's going to fail because I'm not the true Everchosen'.
>>96221483>4000/10,000 sokdiers survive>have to eat the populous>decisive victoryIn what world?
>>96221349As
>>96221487 says the great war against chaos was presented as a world ending event, that was the largest incursion of historical (for humans) time. Also
>just raid the empireHe flattened Kislev and wanted to burn it all. You think if the empire, brettonia, wood elves, dwarfs all rolled over he had stopped? The man who craved challenge, combat, and glory to his gods would say "ah that's my quota back to the north?" Nah he from what lore we have about him (excluding archeons which obviously is aimed to puff him up) he wanted to burn it all. Chaos goal is the same.
>>96221487>considered themselvesbut none of them was the TRVE everchosen, only people who thought they were the real deal, while the only real deal was the one prophesied by whatshisname the mad.
the goal of the other everchosen wasn't to destroy the world either, that's just archaon's nihilistic ass, they were just thinking they were competing to get crowned the very best dude do the biggest raid they could in the name of the gods.
>>96221540>the great war against chaos was presented as>the largest incursion of historical (for humans) timecorrect
>a world ending eventwrong
>>96221564What happens if chaos wins the great war anon?
>>96221556Yeah, and every time you shoot and miss the bullseye it wasn't your TRUE shot. They were all aiming for the End Times, Archaon was just the first to succeed (and you don't get to see the ones who didn't get to try).
>>96219816That's entirely down to scaling and materials. You can get 1:1 easily if you actually own the mini and can compare (or know it's dimensions).
>>96221606They shit up the place and then eventually retreat or fall into infighting or move elsewhere or establish a chaos empire in the old world
in any case the world continues
>>96221725>They were all aiming for the End TimesNo, they weren't, only archaon was, the other everchosen were just aiming for the top spot of the path to glory
>>96219643I really like your ostermark guys, and base idea. I may poorly imitate it.
>>96221857>they link up with attack on Ulthuan>nothing happensSure anon, suuuurrreee.
>>96221898>>they link up with attack on Ulthuanthey didn't do that
>>96221920Why didn't they chaostard?
>>96220983fuckugly modern computer asssited art
>>96219526 (OP)>TQOrcs vs Empire. It's the classic matchup, and I'm a sucker for it. Knowing GW it'd be some weird new army like DoW vs a range refresh though.
I need advice anons. At what point does getting a magic weapon on a BlOrc Warboss offset losing Choppas? I'm getting the charge very consistantly vs my normal opponents, and while my original thought was whacking a bezerker blade on him for the +1S +1 Attack with no downside, losing out on ANY anti armour capability feels really bad when a Great weapon is only 4 points, particularly when he carves through most combats in 1 or 2 turns maximum. Thoughts? Have some (badly photographed) orcs as tribute.
>>96221316Beastmen,
I say this as a beastchad myself
>>96221955Magnus has never not been an ugly bastard anon, even his original art by Adrian Smith shows that
>>96222122I don't think that's what he meant, though that Adrian Smith design is far superior regardless.
>>96222122>>96222311Yes, a drawn image of an ugly bastard is better than a Computer assisted art of an ugly bastard
>>96221930because ending the world wasn't their goal
that's the goal of archaon, not of all everchosen
>>96221991Out of curiosity how do you do your checkered patterns? I free handed mine with a brush but have come to accept it as a pretty shit way of doing it.
>>96222122Yes but
>Adrian Smith Magnus>Heavily weathered, stern and austere man>perfect posture>Of his virtue he is justly proud (Et tibi Pater)and
>Computer-aided Magnus>fat, flabby jowls>slumped in his saddle>probably a nonce
>>96222696If we go by Genevieve in Drachenfells, Magnus was always a bit of a nonce
>>96222521They are the champions of the chaos gods, whose explicit goals is to end the world as we know it. Every single one of them is a thrall to this, whether they admit it or not, that every action is furthering this goal. The great incursion wished to destroy the only bulwarks against this end threat, via destroying the empire/dawi/other human realms and bringing the chaos wastes so south none could stop the end times, and/or undoing the vortex in Ulthuan (per usual). If they won either, chaos would rain down upon the globe and life would be unable to resist. If the old world falls ulthuan cannot stand against the combined forces. It would be the apocalypse like in end times. This has been the goal for chaos every single time, from sigmars to Franz, to even the gates original incursion saved only by the elves and dwarves.
The fact you obtusuely refute your own factions lore is basically chaos cope
>>96222521It was, it was just that they wanted to destroy the world for the glory of Chaos, Archaon wanted to destroy it because he hates existence and believes that if the world ends, Chaos dies along with it
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Does anyone even care for the lore for the items characters can buy
>>96222589Not him but I used to use a felt pen. Imagine a very finely tipped sharpie. Transfer also work well for checkered patterns.
>>96222589Sorry to tell you, it's a very fine tipped brush and a steady hand. The trick is not worrying if they arn't perfect, because when they're on the table the effect makes them all look a lot more uniform than they actually are up close.
>>96223227Your heroes are heroes, in my mind it makes sense for them to have ransacked a tomb/ killed an enemy champion and taken their weapon/ been gifted a powerful sword from their lords armoury. For campaign play I do like there being objectives that give you a magic item you take forward with you though, rather than getting any (other than ubiquitous ones) at army creation.
>>96223227Sometimes I do.
>>96222853>whose explicit goals is to end the world as we know itno, it's not their explicit goal, their champions fight for very different reasons, mostly for individual power, they are never consciously and willfully hellbent on the goal of ending the world
>and/or undoing the vortex in Ulthuan (per usual)which is why asavar kul and all the other everchosen attacked ulthuan to end the world right?
oh wait, they didn't
>>96221316Goblins don't have dicks, so beastmen. Goblins will however shove things in your ass and puss to torture you.
>>96223429>no one attacked ulthuan The first one did, or did before they started retconning and still can be assumed to be his end goal before sigmar smashed him.
>it doesn't matter if they are forced to end the world waaahIt doesn't matter because the ever chosen, aka the harbinger of what? Oh yeah, the apocalypse, is chosen to try and take down the world which is the explicit goal or chaos. You don't get to be a puppet and think you're in control. It's also been stated multiple times the empire is the last and only bulwark to chaos victory since again, the high elves cant do it alone. If they fall, it's more or less over. And if magnus failed, ulthuan couldn't stop Kul that's why they sent teclis and co.
It's like you are trying to be retarded on purpose.
>>96223572>aka the harbinger of what? Oh yeah, the apocalypsethat's only archaon's title, not the title of all everchosen.
>>96223572>It's also been stated multiple times the empire is the last and only bulwark to chaos victoryalso no, it's not
>>96223901It's the title of the everchosen. Unless you can find something saying everchosen weren't called as such until archeaon, then it's probably the title. Given all the retcons it's possible but headcanon doesnt count
>the empire falls doesn't end the worldIt's been alluded to in novels and in empire books- without the empire, dwarves are finished off, brettonia can't handle things alone, and high elves lacking trade and resources are doomed next invasion. Lizards are already weak. Empire is ironically the order anvil which takes the brunt of things due to being rhe largest and closest to chaos. Also, nothing stops the encroachment of the realm of chaos to a Critical mass as we saw in the end times.
Now you moved goalposts ans been wrong several times, at this point it's clear your either trolling or out of your element entirely. A everchosen victory doesn't end in Kul sipping tea in altdorf ls ruins till he peacefully passes away, and each one was a serious attempt to end the world. At least the 4 or 5 actually give lore.
Now, you can fuck off lorelet.
>the largest army of chaos since Sigmar's time, 2000 years ago invades
>the Horned Rat himself comes down to tell skaven we can win big get your shit ready
>beastmen shamans have visions it's all over
>dark elves coordinate to lock down the high elves
>Kul believes it's the end
>skaven, beastmen, and all humans think it's the end of times to the point they stop bickering (yes all 3 of those factions)
>the gods themselves actively push their sides with desperation
>largest, world shattering events occur
>chaos daemons howl in anticipation of their final victory.
>some anon says "uhhh it's just like a big raid or something chaos wasn't serious"
Holy shit do chaos fans really believe this?
>>96219526 (OP)Dwarves vs Gobbs
This should also be the start of proper army refreshes, with each side getting 6-8 new plastic kits. I don't know what the gobbos would want, but Dwarves are in a right state and need some metal replaced with solid, dependable plastic.
>40 years later and people are still trying to argue chaos loses
Autistic chaoswank was literally baked into the setting since day one. Chaos is never trying, they could blink reality out of existence if they wanted, it's all them having fun "le great game", and the lorewriters have repeatedly said the fact the empire or humanity or anything at all exists is because the chaos gods are permitting it to. They're the creators' favorite faction, all current writers' favorite faction, and they've been laden with plot armor since the setting's inception.
Just play with the overpriced plastic army men made in sweat shops and stop arguing in circles ad nauseam about what is truly some of the dumbest lore in the history of fictional storytelling.
>>96220933he ain't just cutting whole Night Goblins off the sprue here, mate.
>>96224043Chaos is trying to have fun and that's what I appreciate about it.
>>96220933the basic troops, horses, and cannon arent that bad. shugenmo lad is also pretty straight forward
but the sentinel.
if he bought the sentinel, god help him. that fucker took me 3 straight days of hobby time to build, and i've been building models for 20 years. its as bad as everyone says if not worse. a single lower leg portion from the ankle to the knee is 12 parts split vertically like a banana with 2 layers of peel. nevermind that the instructions are just straight up wrong or missing steps in a few places.
>>96224122Makes it difficult to care about anyone/anything else though desu. It sometimes comes off like GW legitimately hates everyone else in its fictional world except Chaos.
>>96220521But the skeletons are humans.
>>96222727What would a Bretonnian tart know about that?
>>96224045CAD shit, as usual
>>96224152The problem with chaos is the more they fleshed it out, the more retarded it got. All they needed to do is keep it this inevitable, creeping, doom that forever will haunt people. Instead they kept wanking it over and over until it became a flanderized cartoon group of villians flip flopping between utterly incompetent jackasses or Uber Mary sue levels of winning.
>>96224368Literally my only problem with them is the feet. A two part torso, a three part torso, all that's fine as long as you can snip off all those parts, clean them up, and then assemble them at random. And then attach arms and head as desired.
When you have to be looking at the instructions for every single line troop model because foot 117 attaches to body 45 and if you fuck up and attach it to to body 83 you've ruined the kit, that shit sucks so bad.
What's a good source of Dwarves with visible legs? I just did the new Gotrek model and I quite liked the fact he has knees you can see.
Non-GW stuff is okay too. I looked at the LotR ones but they weren't wide enough, they looked like shrunken dudes rather than proper Dwarves. Oathmark looks like it might have what I'm looking for but I'm curious as if to anyone here has experience with those guys or tried anything better.
I love funny face shields
>>96224368you know ever model made in plastic for the last 15 years by every company is cad right
>>96224581it's a good troll
>>96224445>I love funny face shieldsBased.
anyone built harpies recently? what did you use? I kinda hate the โbeasts of chaosโ AoS set, they look super fugly
>>96224043No one but possibly you was, and foe the record
>chaos itself cannot die>chaos characters can, do, and are usually retarded af and fail or lose spectacularly all the time. Often within their own stories.12 everchosens getting bfto didn't diminish the gods but certainly these men lost and failed in the mission nonetheless.
Bruh we're fucking dead. Is it because summer is over? anyways, who in the setting has a hard on for Nagash? Was it just settra? Did aborash have any dynamics there?
>>96224043the โchaoswankโ in the setting was usually just commentary on the inherit nature of entropy, death, and the futility of all things. itโs a nihilistic outlook but everything dies and succumbs in the end, thatโs the point. chaos always wins โthe long warโ. (this is lifted straight from old mythological tropes but w/e)
>>96224976Nagash is a cuck bitch who spitefully cursed vampires in the most childish ways because he assumed they would listen to his beta ass.
>come help me brethren of the night! >fuck off Nagash >NOOOOO YOU WONT BE ABLE TO STEP INTO THE SUN YOU TRAITORS NOOOOOWhat a bitch.
>>96224025dwarves and gobbos donโt need a refresh when the setting is still missing vamps, lizards, skaven AND dark elves
Cathay isnโt even finished yet to boot, theyโre missing loads of units that made their way into total war
>>96225090Where it differs is that most mythological and religious stories focus on the futility and inevitable nature of physical existence as opposed to a better eternal metaphysical existence. In Warhammer it's literally life sucks and then you die and then your soul is buttraped by demons forever, so you really can't even get a "I'm gonna fight for Sigmar because he'll protect me in the next life" sort of motivation. The only winning move for the Warhammer multiverse is to never exist.
Actually, I don't think there's a setting more excessively nihilistic. Lovecraft is a happy picnic compared to Warhammer. But I guess some people are still able to find a point to engage with in it or actively enjoy that.
>>96225103>betray the most talented magic user ever >he curses you >get mad>???
>>96225110>betrayShow me the contract the vampires signed to be bound to Nagash. Do it.
>>96225116nagash is the source of their vampirism, they wouldnโt be โaliveโ without him
>>96225127So you admit there was no contract, verbal or otherwise?
>>96225109Morr for humans, the elves have their own afterlife, and even dwarf spirits don't go to chaos. This isn't 40k
>>96225109yeah I donโt disagree, WHF takes old religious tropes and dispenses with the โredemptiveโ aspects but keeps the realer stuff and I like it for that. like in egyptian myths the serpent is always trying to eat the world and most peoples souls are eaten for being bad by the hippo guarding the afterlife, things like that. but in warhammer they up the ante and get rid of the possible safety of a โheavenโ: chaos is actively invading the real space of the world and trying to end it in a very physical way. itโs a fun inversion
>>96225136not that guy but itโs a bit silly to bite the hand that feeds you (maintains and created your unlife)
>>96225143>This isn't 40kFantasy, 40k, and AoS are all canonically the same setting. 40k is actually the "core" setting with AoS being a microdimension in the Warp and Fantasy being a planet in the 40k galaxy.
>>96225175fandomlore wankery
>>96225175No, it's not retard and they've even said such. They like to give nods no more. AOS is the successor of fantasy but essentially the rules reset- which btw AoS not all souls go to chaos either
Also the lore is so contradictory between the 2 settings it's not even reconciliable.
Is the slaughterbrute best used as a gigantic chaos spawn?
>>96225109>Where it differs is that most mythological and religious stories focus on the futility and inevitable nature of physical existence as opposed to a better eternal metaphysical existence.I mean I wouldn't say most abrahamic religions and Buddhism are the only ones that feature an easy or eventually eternal reward. Most afterlifes were consider just the next place you go to after you die not a higher plane of enlightenment / eternal paradise.
>>96225175Incorrect. The entire 40k universe is in a glass jar on a forgotten shelf in a wizard's tower somewhere in the Empire.
What do you guys think will happen to Old World in 2 years? Do you think they'll 3 year cycle it and fuck up the rules like what just happened to horus heresy?
>>96225624Horus heresy got a 3rd edition after 3 years not because it was popular, or because it was a stream of untapped potential, but because hh2 was overall a fucking mess and clearly unfinished, the people who planned out hh2 either died or moved away by the end of 1.
Tow will not enter a 3 year cycle, or 4, maybe 5.
>>96225639and hh3 is even more of a fucking mess and clearly unfinished. It was 100% just because sales increased a ton due to the new plastics, 40kfags eat those up just as much as heresy players which leads to suits thinking it is a worthy investment. If Old World continues to do well financially they may approach it the same way. Thinking GW makes any decision with the health of the ruleset as a game in mind rather than solely being about profit and releasing what will make numbers go up for the investors to clap and cheer at is incredibly stupid
>>96225302>When you fail that Impetuous test
>>96225624I hate it when people pose a "question" to which they already know their
>>96225692 answer
>>96225639I think until they get their factories running and then develop more stuff we are safe. 4 years out minimum before TOW 2.0 and they can re release models and actually make enough to push them out and get money quickly. Probably 5
>>96225692Hh3 isnโt as much of a mess as 2 was, and if you genuinely think 3, as it is, is worse than 2 for a new person , than you are a tourist.
I don't know where I got this compilation of adventures for 2e but I wanted to share it in case someone doesn't have it, it's almost 500 or so adventures
if someone knows where this couldve come from I would appreciate it
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13pxo80dvu5BbXQZiMmoDG1Sqrn04f9NJ
If you lot haven't played the Chaos Dwarfs in Total War Warhammer 3, you seriously need to. Zhatan the Black is easily one of the most fun Total War experiences I've ever had.
>>96225597unfortunately that's just a meme and has no source
Working on my Dragon Ogres, What's everyone's wokring on?
>>96225846Bookmakred, thanks for the link!
>>96224976It's the first of August
How come Meow Ying isn't sold yet? It would make sense if it was a second wave of Cathay models but it's just her.
>>96226395its not just her, its her and the individual boxes for jade warriors, jade lancers, and grand cannons.
>>96221099Pic related would work. You could probably fill 6 cav bases and a swarm base or two. Price for a single unit would still be crazy though.
>>96226443you could easily spread those out to 12 cav bases and they'd still look good
>>96226443>>96226449fair warning with conquest stuff. its wildly expensive and also a different scale than warhammer minis. i dont think it would really matter for something as abstract as dinos but still, the shit aint cheap.
like, those 3 bases of little dinos in your pic are $50 a box
>>96226421People would probably buy the other units more if the Battalion box wasn't always sold out. You can't exactly use any of those in games without paying for your core Jade Warrior tax first.
>>96226477Man I was about to get it but it was sold out at the store I always use. The supply issues are ridiculous.
And the longer I wait the more I wonder if I really need another army so it's not in GW's best interests.
>>96226487specialist games fucking sucks with its supply. i've been on the waiting list for ungrim ironfist since he came out and he still hasnt come back in stock in the US once.
im starting to think they actually broke his mould
>>96226508Hopefully they improve with the multiple factories being built by GW, even if the local Bat population get in the way.
>>96226461Sourcing models from Conquest isn't any more expensive than AoS or even some modern old world craziness.
>>96221862It's sand (mixture of different grain sizes), watered down steel legion drab, overbrush of screaming skull and a coat of agrax thinned with lahmian medium.
>>96220087Uniform uniforms too, I want that professional army feel, not ramshackle milicia with all of their posessions on them.
>>96220330>>96220237I'd go with the Chaos Ogres 'standard' kit. The command bits doens't look too great to me, except maybe that two-handed mace, maybe.
>>96226083Bryan Ansell's ghost revealed it to me in a dream
>>96226618Thanks head, was leaning to the normal myself
>>96220492I think I am actually going to drop warhammer AGAIN over the simple fucking issue of the armour designs in the artwork.
The artists refuse to refer to historical sources and keep generating this gobbledygook shit that doesn't properly work and doesn't refer to the historical inspirations of the cultures. I'm talking really about the Empire and Bretonnia.
If the artists can't look at a picture of late 15th or 16th century armour in the Year of the Internet of 2025 then what are the chances of new models repeating the stupid Bretonnian designs? Or inventing new kinds of retarded shit?
Don't tell me I'm being too autistic. If I was LESS autistic I wouldn't have models in the first place.
>>96226601>*militia with all of their posessions on themi dont mind that stuff but it should be optional stuff u can stick on
>>96227240The artist is just basing it on the model GW currently sell for the Empire. It's the case with most GW products that they base the artwork on the model rather than historical accuracy
I wonder if they underproduced the battalion boxes for cathay in order to get more people to actually buy the individual kits when they become separate
>>96227240okay but who cares? You will not be missed.
>>96227240Just buy better designed 3rd party stuff.
>>96227240You could argue state troops just used shitty munition armor but that still looks better than that.
Really though, who gives a shit about modern art? How does that change anything about your army until they start replacing the models with Bret footknight tier trash? And even then you can just find far better alternatives. Really why give a shit about TOW at all besides kits being available again and not having to deal with the shitty second hand market? Obviously all the new fluff is complete shite.
Anyone got a pdf of the GM's guide for TOW RPG?
>>96227394reading it right now
It's mostly a bestirery nice that one of the main villains is a necrach
kinda wished it had a map of Taalagad feels rather dickish to have it be the main location of your brand new TRPG but not provide any details for until your third publication at least in the core rulebook for WFRP4e the details were widespread when it came to locations, it detailed, but TOWRPG is all Taalagad.
>>96227434he looks cartoony
>>96227240It makes me want to cry. It's downhill from here, isn't it? There's no going back. No one gets it any more.
>>96227434>that artwhew
Not that I expect anything from Cuckicle 7
>>96227262They sell the 6th edition knights though, which look like this:
>>96227452
>>96227479yeah but those suck
>>96227455The GM book reuses a lot of art from WFB and WFRP, but the new art is a mixed bag, it does seem to be overall better than 4e core rulebook they did.
>>96227308But those aren't victrix knights, which also happen to have fantasy helmets as upgrade kits.
>>96227479I would disagree with you, the Empire Knight Models look more like the new Old World art than that (much better) David Gallagher artwork
>>96227479They don't have stirrups, which trigger my autism.
>>96227240>caring about artwork in a book most people don't even buyCaring not about the product itself but instead how the brand presents itself is the same line of logic of buying products you don't want just because you want to "support the brand".
>>96226443Claybeastcreations swarms would also work and can be scaled to need
questionable designs aside from the shovelhead amphibian, love that fucker
>>96227521An Empire knight list would be the coolest thing if the models weren't so shit.
>>96227574Perry mounted men at arms are a decent option. Tons of STLs of French gendarmes, gothic knights etc are also available.
>>96227594Yeah but I want to collect Warhammer not a historical army.
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>>96227574NOOOOO LET GO OF THAT MONKEY'S PAW BEFORE YOU HIT THAT POST BUTTON
>>96227611These are better than anything in the empire range
>>96227521It's a game of telephone
>Dave Gallagher creates concepts based on historical armour (there are some of his slightly later knight concepts you can find online).>sculptors replicate concepts as best they can with 2000s plastic technology>modern artist bases illustration off miniatures with no understanding of the original intent. Observe how the one bevor with teeth has turned into a kind of... orcy iron jaw thing. The plumes has gone weird and limp and thin, the beastplates are too long, the sallet visors are non-functional, the leopard barbutes have got straight edges everywhere and look like fucking buckets goddamn the more I look the worse it is.
>>96227621U are simply tarded to think this
Demigryphs, greatswords, steam tank, all the hero/lord sculpts definitely rank better
>>96227621I think the greatswords are pretty great
>>96227627I canโt tell if youโre baiting me rn
>>96227611HOW WAS THIS ALLOWED
>>96227645They wanted space marines in tow
>>96227664Ironically space marines have better thought out plate armor than this
>>96227518I prefer the mail sculpting of the WGA knights, but you could combine the two, Victrix sell the fun fantasy helmets seperately in a big box.
Might have to start a Bretonnia army now ngl
>>96227611>>96227687look at the one in bottom left
wearing a steeple on your head in addition to your helmet is almost self parody, jfc how did this get made. anyone wearing that would be wobbling around unbalanced from all the extra weight
>>96227645It is as
>>96227622 says. The people drawing art and designing the miniatures have never seen a suit of real armour, let alone spent years studying them for fun.
Personally, I find a lot of armour (early 16th century in particular) incredibly beautiful.
I kind of wondered whether this was a dumb thing to be inspired by, but the fact that so many actual artists are unable to replicate the forms even when they try makes me think that, yes, my admiration is probably warranted.
There's something about the marriage of form and function that most fantasy artists just don't get. They can't even tell what's wrong.
>>96227726I think armor peaked when everyone had their cocks out so I donโt see why they even have it
>>96227602That is why I mentioned STLs.
>>96227713>axe blades bigger than their torsos>leather brigandine poncho gorget-cum-breastplate?>giga nigga fortress gorget that looks like it needs to be lifted onto the knight by a fucking crane
>>96227726I think it is sensible. The armour was both a mix of practical and fashionable. Though I am more partial to chainmail myself.
>>96227771I always wondered why beastmen would have those tassets, pauldrons and bracers but almost none of them would ever protect their torsos, save for some plates for their guts.
>>96227611>Bret models are absolutely vile>Cathay gets to look fantasticJust bizarre
>>96227787Cathayโs boring as fuck. Scales were a mistake.
>>96227778Show of strength to their peers or just suicidal confidence in their own durability.
>>96227809What would you have done instead?
>>96227787bretonnia's gorgets suffer from the need to make the heads modular
>>96227762Hadn't checked them in a while and there's some patron-only post of theirs that implies James talked to them. Did they stray too close with a model or something?
>>96227843>bretonnia's gorgets suffer from the need to make the heads modularThat reminds me, has GW ever addressed the weird Nun-Knight of the Lady that's in the unit?
>>96227879no outside of stapling "Men and Women" or "Sons and Daughters" into every sentence about a unit's backstory they can find
pic being from the forces of fantasy book
>>96227308they might be better designed sure, but they are plain and boring as hell when not just ugly
>>96227611are these 2007 mmo skins?
>>96227896I'm not surprised, or even disappointed, I am a small ship floating on a calm sea.
>>96227896They even did that for the dwarfs.
>>96227896It's such a shitlib thing to do, like who actually buys into the notion of women en mass joining up to be part of a standing army in what is basically renaissance europe in social structure
>>96227957or functionally medieval france/wales as the case is here
>>96227957It's the slippery slope from DnD having female characters for variety that's now overtaken all of fantasy.
>>96227957writers and designers don't want to come off as sexist or misogynist
>>96227957>who actually buys into the notion of women en massShitlibs. They have convinced themselves that the only thing stopping women from being strong independent soldiers is men historically being mean and biggoted
>>96227518Those are good too. Pretty much anything clears the low bar that is GW.
>>96227957Repanse De Lyonesse? Special in any way? Lol says GW, lmao even.
>>96227879that's just a feminine young boy
>>96228035From their perspective, she is still a peasant who rose to the nobility due to the Lady's blessing, and even the most SJW Woke writer for GW/C7 agrees that Warhammer still have a restrictive class system, it's even built into both RPGs for the setting with the Status mechanics both WFRP and TOWRPG use
>>96227594What a faggot looking army tho.looks too pathetic for bret, not modern enough for empire.
>>96221850That's not a print, dumbass
>>96227957Its fantasy and my models, I'll make it patriarchal or Amazonian as I see fit
You act like female heads haven't sold heavily by 3rd party sellers for ever
>>96228252I don't give a fuck if you cum on your models m8
Doesn't mean they should change the lore to explain away all the cum everywhere
>>96228290>I don't give a fuck if you cum on your models m8unless you touch them by accident, same issue people had with that Nurgle army that one guy painted with custom mixed paints, which included his own faeces.
>>96228290Stop cumming on male models then
>>96228308I always wondered if this was real or just a figment of /tg/'s imagination a poster made for shock value
>>96228318My 500 point army
>>96228317It's most likely apocryphal, but it doesn't sound too far-fetched for one spasic to go over that line at some point to get a true GRIMDARKโข army.
>>96228317it's a greentext story on the roleplaying board of 4chan
>>96228290Oh the lore? The lore of a faction of humans tricked into serving an elven goddess representing a female 2 stage matriarchy, who steals mostly females, who uses the men as pawns, she clearly would never allow it because some alternate dimensions autists will shit their pants?
I actually do agree it's apparent theres a push, but they said sons and daughters not "every bret daughter has equal claim" or some shit. Yet. So we've gone from every female can't unless hiding, to some can openly. Not exactly a massive retcon from one rpg book to another both like black library not given 100% truth from GW who does let these things come and go from these books. No need to REEEE every time.
>>96228330Post brighter models
>>96224379Yep, keep it simple stupid really should apply to chaos.
Both for fantasy and warhammer imo. Just evil incarnate trying to have a laff dontcha know.
>>96228318My brotherhood of the black sigil so far. Building a army for a lore driven campaign vs skaven, Empire and Brettonia
>>96228413Looking lovely anon thatโs a fat block
>>96228236Ah I was retarded. Read print instead of recast my bad.
>>96228413I always fail at winter bases, looks nice anon!
>discussing gender of puny flesh
>not using the supperior skellington army
ngmi
>>96228413>hnnnnnnnggggh that's girthy
>>96228480we can discuss the gender of skeletons, if you want
>>96228497easy to spot if they have a bone between their legues
>>96228480Tomg Kings and Vampire Counts do care about Gender, though
There's a reason Neferata is a Misandrist
>>96228318Are the prints that small or are the TOW bases just that oversized?
>>96228515>in TOW actually all your skeleton soldiers are 50% femaleTerrifying thought
>>96228525The prints were actually even smaller than these originally. Theyโre based off the old centaurs not the forge world ones that they upped the base size to
>>96228515>There's a reason Neferata is a Misandristthe reason being sexually active hot women in position of power are not believable since they can get pictured getting bent over by a man
so they're either dommy mommies and/or men hating lesbians in the mind of their fans
>>96228546I think in Neferata's lore it was more that Khemri only let men become priests of the mortuary cult, and she envied their power, and then it later developed into her just being a misandrist due to men betraying her or something.
>>96228480what makes him the third
>>96220983>grabbed the pussy and ass of the sexy Bretonnian Lahmian from DrachenfelsGigachad
>>96228480What is this model?
>>96228559Undead Champion by North Star
>>96228373Sure. A brighter pic of my Knights and Champion giving some gobbos a bad time
>>96228555>due to men betraying herVashanesh would like to know your location
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>>96228557this one is skellington the second
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>>96228557>>96228803and this one is skellington the first by right
>>96227809lol at this try hard
>>96227992To who?
We don't know their names
>>96228844Their peers in the Office.
>>96228430>>96228446>>96228492Thanks anons! Have a close up of my two characters that I'm most happy with!
Can I get a TLDR on Old World game play? I've got a buddy that's curious about it and he wants to know if I want in, but I don't know much about how the game play, thanks.
>>96227434C7 is streaming with Catalyst Game Labs tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully we'll get some news about the road ahead.
>>96228555and that's a perfectly fine and proper in-setting explanation, but it's still clearly just an explanation they needed to have due to the forementioned meta reason.
>>96228962What are you and your friends backgrounds for gaming?
>>96228967The C7 writers have done a couple of interviews in the last month, so we have some idea of what's coming in the future, but I think the only confirmed thing right now is a Starter Set the flesh out the main setting of Taalagad even more.
We might get some news on some new WFRP books, like the Marianburg splat book they are making.
>>96228991We mostly stick to 40K, Fallout Wasteland Warfare and MESBG. TOW is quite a departure for us, having only dabbled in Kings of War for a while nearly a decade ago
>hey, this artwork for a horse C7 used for the book looks familiar
>>96229023Well I'm a little familiar with 40k and MESBG so here's my best
>unit size much bigger ND lethality more towards MESBG meaning morale, breaking, and flanking is important. It's called "baby's first rank and flank" for a reason. > Heros much more impactful than 40k, back to MESBG, but the balance between beatstick and buffbot is more varied as again larger units means more bonuses >It's slower than either but not too bad- more grinding but lack of deployment shit like 40k means you're not constantly running around (unless wood elf) and having to keep track of objectives all over the place. Scenarios are mostly simple>that said, many rules can be silly like crumbling getting regen. Kind of like 40k where RAI doesn't always trump RAW.Overall I'd say it's a less flexible in deployment and movement than MESBG (as expected for a formation based game) with more depth and scale but a emphasis on units, combat res, grinding, and Heros being customizable than MSEBGs Heros which tend to stick to archetypes. And it's certainly cheaper, cleaner game than 40k but being a rank and flank and less lethal means it's not the all over huge swings 40k tends to do these days. Just my 2 cents
>>96229106>>96229117anyway, I don't know if it was shared, but here's a pdf that passed under my nose
https://gofile.io/d/oR7UpA
please, please, refrain from posting that one artwork. you'll know which one I'm talking about when you see it
>>96229106What a weird use of David Gallagher's art
Did the art of just a horse not exist or did the editor just want to only use Gallagher art for that section of the book?
>>96229150I'm guessing it's one of Sam Manley's pieces that we were not meant to bring up?
>>96227452>There's no going back. No one gets it any more.what about this one?
>>96229177Both WFRP and TOWRPG seem to be less interested in slavishly copying models like the wargame artists right now
>>96229192the thing is, I originally cropped that knight artwork because it felt weirdly different from the rest of the original artworks of the rpg book
initially I was giving for granted it was lifted from the arcane journal for the empire or from one of the other TOW rulebooks since it reminded me of the new artworks gw is making for the plastic units' packagings, but it's not from anywhere else
at this point my gut feeling is leaving me wondering if it could be possible the empire will get a plastic kit for a knight grand master, and the tow rpg just got to use the artwork ahead of time due to a misalignment of timeframes
>>96229113I appreciate the input anon, thanks!
>>96229234except I'm noticing now that the foot hero + mounted hero plastic kits don't have artworks, only the larger hero boxes get an artwork
so this would be perhaps a hero on steed + hero on demigryph kind of box?
I'm grasping at straws here, but I still feel I'm onto something
>>96229234I can see it, but it might be the work of Alessandro Boer looks like his style(pic is his), and he is credited in the book, but to my limited knowledge, he's never worked with GW and the only artist to work on TOW that I know of is L J Koh, who has a somewhat different style.
I guess we won't know till artist start putting pieces from the book onto their portfolios
>>96220893Kislev was actually the linchpin there, weโve just mostly seen it from the Empireโs perspective
>>96227827Lamellar armor with the lacing and not lamellar armor with no lacing which makes it look like a upside down scale mail.
Found out last week that this famed art piece of a knight of the Blazing Sun is in fact an Estalian.
>>96229390probably meant a tilean, estalians never get anything
>>96229422Nope. It's really described as an Estalian knight.
>>96227240well its a good thing warhammer is in fact NOT a historical but a fantasy game very loosely based on a vaguely historical European aesthetic, and thus does not have to adhere to any specific historically accurate depiction
the less historicalfags in the hobby the better, go play pike and shotet or something
I have some lore questions:
Do Skaven take captives? Are they just for eating or are they used for labor?
How physically strong are stormvermin compared to the average human?
Are skaven able to move upwards through skaven society or are they born into their roles?
>>96227687criminally bad taste
let me guess, you think primaris are cool too?
>>96229470Well, the problem with historicals is the lack of players. I personally prefer more grounded armour designs, with the designers preferably having studied historicals arms and armour. The Perrys (PBUT) for example were into re-enactment and knew how to handle a pike, this influenced some of their dogs of war sculpts.
>>96227611Nice velataris storm section.
>>96229537>Do Skaven take captives?The answer is a resounding yes
So much so that not a few stories mention the eerie emptyness of places after the skaven have attacked a town, and that skaven are one of the few armies with a unit profile for their slaves
Generally skaven slaves will most often be other skaven, for the rats wage wars amongst themselves way more than they do with the surface dwellers, but they take all kinds of slaves of various races, who often have an even worse time because they're not as resistant to warpstone as skaven are
>>96229537>are they just for eating or used for laborYes.
>How strong are storm verminA bit stronger than the baseline human, on par with elites
>are skaven born into roles or move up?Yes, but much more the latter than former.
>>96229537>Do Skaven take captives?They take slaves and you're much better off killing yourself than letting them take you. It's usually even worse than being caught by dark elves.
>Are they just for eating or are they used for labor?Both
>How physically strong are stormvermin compared to the average human?I think it depends slightly on the source, but generally about the same.
>>96229537The colour of a skaven's fur determines a lot about their lot in life. But theoretically if you stab enough backs at the right times, there is some level of upward mobility as long as you're not a slave.
>>96229629Lack of soul is a bigger problem.
I built my first unit of handgunners, do these guys use flint or match lovks? I would guess buy the time period it was matchlocks
>>96229654I think there's a bit of overlap in what we are talking about here. We often criticise modern GW designs for being copies of copies, basically fanboys raised on Warhammer with little knowledge of the real world and classic fantasy inspirations for the now-iconic designs.
Can you guys give Perry anon more attention
>>96229688Empire uses everything from matchlock to breechload but generally seem to hover around match/flint
>>96229537>Do Skaven take captives? yes
>Are they just for eating or are they used for labor?yes
>How physically strong are stormvermin compared to the average human?they vary a lot in size from being slight below human height to exceptionally hulking individuals, generally they're probably akin to an average human soldier, but the archetype is somewhat above that, they're meant to be truly elite in skaven society
>Are skaven able to move upwards through skaven society or are they born into their roles?the roles most commonly assigned at birth are breeder (for females), seer (for albino horned rats), stormvermin (for black fur), but in the case of the latter the black fur is more of an association with skaven that are born larger and more aggressive than some kind of obligatory link, chances are that if you are born strong enough you end up getting raised as a stormvermin regardless
the rest is fairly meritocratic: achieve enough successes and cause your bosses to have enough insuccesses, and you get vertical mobility and breeding rights
>>96229470So might as well put children on the front line and women in charge of everything, how about having a dog as Knight-Castellan? who cares, it's fantasy!
dumb ass
>>96229150Holy shit this is was passes as WFRP art today? Black woman stealing some shit while other women watches her.
The fact you can run around with magical items (straight from the TT game) makes things even more stupid. It's a tourist trap.
>>96229744sounds like an incel society
>>96229775I refuse to believe this is from WFRP. What the fuck.
>>96229788It literally is. Skaven females are doomed to be baby factories.
>>96229765The "who cares, it's just fantasy" argument is so fucking infuriating. A cowards cop-out.
>>96229797TOW, gamemaster's guide, page 81
https://gofile.io/d/oR7UpA
I just saw it
>>96229775>>96229797It's not from WFRP, it's from the TOW RPG
>>96229788by the most literal definition of the word, the vast majority of skaven are involuntary celibate because the skaven in power hoard the female skaven and gatekeep who can get to them.
Now, whether that means the incel skaven don't develop sexual urges until they get to meet a skaven female due to absence of female pheromones or whatever, or whether they have sexual urges nonetheless and end up acting on them by raping anything else with a hole (which would generally be some other male skaven underling) is a matter that no official material will ever explore.
>>96229797it's not it's from TOWRPG
>>96229800I know, most who say this can't even RP they just play themselves, like criticla role, but worst
>>96229830Same thing different name.
>>96229681Nice /yourdude/ anon!
>>96229835>gay skaven butt sex or mass rape when they capture females of other speciesInteresting implications
>>96229848It's really not.
>>96229797I'm sorry, but where have you been the past decade?
All TTRPGs nowadays are made by smelly blue haired freaks
The problem with fantasy armor isn't that it doesn't look exactly like historical armor(though that wouldn't hurt) it's that even a cursory understanding of historical armor shows how fucking shit 99% of designs are and that designers have no fucking clue what they're doing. Just do that bit of research and then see how you can incorporate fantasy elements.
>>96229865>obese smelly blue haired freaksftfy
>>96229865>>96229885Thatโs a good thing, chuddies
>>96229869Hate the random belts, pouches and scattered armour pieces on so many fantasy models.
>>96229857It's debatable whether they would feel any real attraction towards the females of other races, considering how different their own females look, and assuming their "beauty standards" would result from them.
Maybe they would get the "thrill" of getting a (impossibly remote?) chance to breed, but aside from that I think they would rape indiscriminately both men and women of othe races.
Maybe they would feel a certain weird attraction towards ogres and giants, or very big and very fat women, at most.
But it's all so disgusting to consider I think it's way better to assume they just don't have any sexual instinct until they get close to a skaven female.
Makes it all much more restrained, we have other races for gratuitous rapes.
>>96230028>we have other racesJust the Beastmen innit?
>>96229688depends on the model. The 6th edition models were Matchlocks, but the later plastic I think had flintlocks
>>96230041humans, greenskins, elves
>>96230041also fimir, normal humans and ogres
that's more than enough methink
>>96229765>a lizard with wings flying despite clearly not being being able to physically do so?????? I guess we might as well have Toyotas too!!!
>>96230096Right, so having standards and minimum logic in fantasy (yes even fantasy needes internal logic and rules to fonction) is no longer required?
>>96230096>wat is suspension of disbelief
>>96224379>>96228376I think a big part of the problem is they have a history of irrelevance and losing, and yet are painted as the big world ending threat. Chaos couldn't even "win" when the entire world was saturated and their energy and Humans were cavemen and Elves and Dwarfs has no idea what they were doing. Now in the setting the winds of magic have been nerfed, and Humans are running around in giant nation states with cannons and tanks and we're supposed to believe that Chaos is somehow a bigger threat then ever when their last 12 Everchosen have never even made it past the Northern Hemisphere. Prior to ending the fucking world they somehow never managed to destroy a single country. Somehow it's even worse in 40k where they spend all their time hiding in the shittiest tiny corner of the galaxy and we're supposed to believe they're the biggest threat in a world were fucking Tyranids and Necrons exist.
>>96230096>>a lizard with wings flying despite clearly not being being able to physically do so??????nta and I don't really care about this conversation, so I'll go on a tangent:
I believe eastern dragons offer enough of a precedent to suggest that other draconic and/or magical creatures too may supplement their flight capabilities with magic, where their bodyplan or wings would be utterly insufficient
now the question is whether the first ancestor to true dragons was winged or not, because I'm led to think it would be, and that all non-winged dragons lost the wings later on during the evolution of the group, but then logically speaking the magical abilities would have had to come after the wings were already present, or otherwise they wouldn't have had the need for wings if they could fly with magical powers alone
meaning the ancestor of dragons was a way smaller winged version of them that could fly without magic
>>96230075also anything slaneesh
How should I paint the little gunpowder charges Empire uses? I was kind of questioning if Europe had paper at that point but as I was typing that would I remembered they had the printing press by then, so it seems pretty obvious they were paper. I assume I should make them white, but did they ever use other materials?
>>96230336karak stone with a bit of earthsahde on it, and drybrush the same
General count Sigfried Von Lohengramm
I like how TOWRPG basically doesn't mention what family Ludwig XII is from. The Player's guide very reluctantly says he's 'Ludwig Grunermensch' off-hand but it's never mentioned again despite every other noble having their house front and centre of their identity.
I'd wager it's because GW literally didn't bother to give him a name so C7 just made one up based on his heraldry (a green man). What a mess.
>>96230028>It's debatable whether they would feel any real attraction towards the females of other races, considering how different their own females look,there are even humans that find animals and or furries attractive
if the skaven have a high enough sexual drive then they wouldnt mind human females (or males) either
>>96230561even dolphins rape humans, skaven absolutely do, too.
>>96230536I want my cannons to arrive, can't wait to go ham on the metal parts
>>96230561>>96230572wouldnt they have extremely small and thin penises though?
>>96230539Why are you surprised? it not like any other Clement's surname makes any sense
I guess they could have gone with Otillia since he's a direct descendant of the Otitlian Emperors
>>96230697The new TOWRPG GM book has pretty extensive material on the Feuerbach and Ludenhof families. Both of which have some history in the setting (albeit hopelessly confused in places).
I just found it weird that not only is the Ottilian claimant a Literally Who, the RPG book goes out of its way to not elaborate in any way. Like they don't want to touch the subject.
>>96230561>if the skaven have a high enough sexual drive then they wouldnt mind human females (or males) eithersure, but the point was that they wouldn't look at a human female and think it's any more attractive than a human male, if their values of femininity were modelled after their own bloated bestial fat and hairy females.
>>96229775>female Bretonnian knight>female dwarf>BROWN halflingDie
>>96229865>>96229885>>obese smelly blue haired transexual freaksFittyfy
>>96229898So true sis
>>96230243Like another hack fantasy writer, we're just supposed to take the authors at their word that despite getting slapped around at all times and the idea of them being omnipotently powerful making no sense, they just are. Because.... because they just are, chud! Muh heccin grimdark!!
>>96224152>Makes it difficult to care about anyone/anything else though desu.Why?
>>96230603Sure but that doesn't stop you
>>96230243>Chaos couldn't even "win" when the entire world was saturated and their energy and Humans were cavemen and Elves and Dwarfs has no idea what they were doing.They'd won as soon as they broke the Old One's gateways. The rest of time is just them faffing about and occasionally using the World as game board.
>>96231061>They'd won as soon as they broke the Old One's gateways.But that was part of the plan.
>>96219526 (OP)Empire and Beastmen
>>96230922It's not like those are any better, they merely add insult to injury
>>96230941Grrm is a much better writer than anyone who has had a hand in fantasy
>Trash skeletons can have a 4+ now.
That's mental.
>>96231428>>96231492For 5ppm.
And Vampire Bros are saying they're still worse than Zombies.
>>96231061That literally sounds like copium, and if that were true, it's even more retarded then them actively trying to end the world. The idea that everything everyone is doing is completely pointless and Chaos has already won just makes every conflict and story in the setting pointless. The world is already over the Chaos gods just fucking raise and send armies south for the fun of it.
>>962315154ppm if you take TK. I have not been able to get any games since the FAQ dropped, but I plan to in the near future.
>>96231525>if you take TKEw. Why would you do that?
>>96231545Because I like Ancient Egypt. I wanted to play TK back when they were horrid in 8th, because i love the theme and aesthetic.
>>96231061>chaos wonWon when? When they lost the first invasion? When they lose the 2nd? 3rd unto the 13th? Every time in between?? For 7500 years plus before? When in total victory another universe is made and the same souls carry on while chaos remains stuck as nothing more than it started?
>muh muh uhh chaos is always gonna destroy So is entropy all there is? Chaos is devoid of all things true victory requires. The mortals lived loved died fulfilled. Despite their world being threatened by hell constantly they had adventure, companionship, meaning, and fights worth fighting. All chaos had was hollow promises of the former for inherently chaos is barren nothingness. With nothing gained, nothing lost. They may outlive the world, but they leave with nothing.
>chaos entered the world and gave a truly heroic struggle to the mortals, and leaves with nothing. Except memories of all those loses seared into their minds. Oh and 1 OP necromancer taunting their existence for all time.
>>96231605Between 8th and now? Well healing is better IMO. 8th edition healing required a successful casting of a spell. So your opponent could shut down all you if they were smart about dispelling. Now you just need a LDR test, which while you are testing on characters with LDR 7-8, I believe you have better chances passing a LDR than you do casting multiple spells.
>>96230236>I can suspend disbelief that something physical impossible to happen but a woman fighting people or being positions of power is right out
>>96230922The halfling's not brown. That's white skin and she looks exactly like my mom who is a fat ass. The pleated hair is fucking weird though.
>world before the old ones is an ice planet
>life before the old ones is entirely cold blooded
What the fuck. Did evolution just fail on the Warhammer world? Or maybe some kind of hollow earth thing going on?
>>96231638>A magical beast is less immersion breaking than a competent female soldier Yes.
>>96231707the eternal Big Black Cock warmed them (lizardmen are zesty fucking faggots)
>>96231724You ever see how much skinkposting goes on in the Total War threads?
>>96227240If your tism is that bad just play historicals youโll fit right in
>>96231638I havenโt seen the impossible but I have seen what women can do, so yes
>>96231524Chaos is simply the only faction with an actual win condition in sight. Everyone else is simply focusing on keeping chaos at bay.
>>96231839i've seen what men can do as well. There are a lot of ungaped assholes that are missing in the setting btw.
>>96231524>The idea that everything everyone is doing is completely pointless and Chaos has already won just makes every conflict and story in the setting pointless.We could all be wiped out by some space phenomenon tomorrow, but I'm sure you can find purpose in your life.
I think I'm late but where did the legacy PDF's go?
>>96231874on the Warhammer community site? Under legends.
>>96231524Read the 5th edition rule booksd
>>96231901I see it now, I went right to the original article I had bookmarked
>>96231707>life before the old ones is entirely cold bloodedAre dragons cold blooded? I thought since they started getting sleep and less active once the old ones made it hotter that their physiology was more akin to something like a computer
There any WHFRP 1E scenarios that would be good for a one-shot?
>>96230881>>96230028There's a Skaven (Moulder?) that grafted wings and Skaven female heads onto the bodies of human women to make harpy consorts. Could just be a deviant but it exists.
>>96232004The Oldernhaller Contract's a classic.
Rough Night at the Three Feathers' another.
The Haunting Horro's a great little hunted house scenario
Is anyone doing anything with their jade warriors to personalize them? I dunno how to make mines special.
>>96219526 (OP)>However, the High Elves know trade to be something that others welcome and understand, and so use it to gather information and position spies.Do other races know about this? Do they really care if they get good stuff?
>>96231903It's all rules. There's like literally no lore at all in the PDF version I have. It looks like the whole thing, so I don't know if this is from a box set version or what.
Also I just want to say I don't mind the idea of the world being dark and doomed, I just don't like the idea that Chaos is merely pretending to suck and be incompetent and could actually destroy everyone easily if they really wanted to. I also in general don't like that they are incompetent and all their invasions amount to literally nothing. Sure they kill a lot of people and burn things down, but they never actually wipe anything out. Partly that's the fault of the setting having everything important on the front lines, but surely Kislev or Cathy could of eaten shit and died to make them seem like more of an actual threat.
Does WFRP have rules for blending in the battle system for Old World? I don't play TRPGs, but I think it would be really cool to have the PCs command and army.
>>96232076Let me get back to you when I can actually buy them.
>>96232693No, it does have mass combat rules in one of the splat books, but it's still its own thing.
In theory, I think you can work out what a WFRP character's stats in TOW would be, but I don't think it's as simple as it was for 3rd/4th edition of WFB.
TOWRPG, I think, is too different mechanically for that, but they do say you can use models and terrain in that game
Does fear of elves ever come into play for gobbos? When are they ever outnumbered by elven units?
>>96232076>I dunno how to make mines specialyou can paint the exposed faces like porcelain masks instead
you can paint the scale armor in a non-metallic colour, as if they're wearing the actual shed scales of their dragon ruler, or perhaps get a chromatic paint to make them look like fish scales
if you're assembling them with swords and shields then you can use the curved blades of the halberds or the speartips as decorative headpiece instead of the plumes
you can break and ruin some of the soldiers and paint them as terracotta auxiliaries
>>96233337Am I the only one who roles their eyes at the rule book for trying to make it mysterious what stopped Chaos? They hype up Grimnir and Kroak as being equal to Calador in stopping Chaos, but I don't buy it. Kroak just set off a nuke that killed and ton of demons and Grimnir probably just went on a rampage and died. I mean how the fuck is he supposed to seal a fucking gate. He obviously didn't, and I don't see how he could of partially sealed it. I don't see how either could of actually effected anything beyond that, while the High Elves literally siphoned off all the fucking magic letting demons just pop up anywhere.
>>96233355What's interesting is that they made him a friend of caledor dragontamer, so I believe his quest to close the gate was done in an actually coordinated effort with his spell, rather than the two being done separately and incidentally helping one another.
>>96233391>but I don't buy it.your problem, really
the slann have long been established as helping the vortex massively by strengthening the geomantic web for it to work and were instrumental in containing the bulk of the demonic invasion at the poles, meanwhile grimnir didn't lose the northern gate but did find a third gate that was spewing demons and has been battling demons at that entrance, stopping them from crossing into the real world ever since, he didn't close the door, but he became effectively the door
the impression that both these feats seem small is from the fact the elven vortex was established first, and a time it was the only explanation for the defeat of the demons, but with these additions it is impossible to consider the vortex still autonomous and sufficient in this task, unless you really want to banter about elven superiority and importance, which is fine and dandy, but in terms of actual impartial discussions about the worldbuilding, it's not
>>96230236Hey retard, good fantasy doesn't lack laws or logic, it just has a different set of laws or assumptions.
Are there any bongs left in this general? I don't want to post here if it's just fat gay Americans
>>96231624i was refering to the skeleton save, wich changed with the faq? with tow?
>>962326845th edition had two core books; the rulebook and the battle book which had the background in it plus hobby stuff.
>>96233439there's a world outside burguers and bongs
>>96232076Smash them up, that's the only treatment they deserve. You are not welcome.
>>96233408He's been a friend of Caledor since he was first introduced in 1993 you stupid fuck
>>96233577An English speaking discussion thread regarding Warhammer is going to be dominated by burgers and bongs
>>96233681well, sorry but I never knew that, I read the rulebooks, including the helves one, and I don't remember reading this piece of info before
>>96233681>someone makes a mistale>go full scorched earth on himWhy be like this
>>96233699Outside of shitholes like Germany who need their own translated books pretty much every euro country that matters is bilingual
Reading the Cathay AJ it's funny just how much it sucks them off. The book starts with the emperor's first born jobbing hard to throw you off but after that the cocksucking sounds just don't stop.
I still really like them but the China pandering is a bit much.
>>96233882Who jobbed and what did they do ? Haven't really kept up with cathay.
>>96233882We are all collectively treating it as cathay's own propaganda rather than the practical reality of that empire, even if it's not presented as such.
>>96233791people can have their own personality instead of following whatever trend the site they are in has, but being a grumpy sheep is easier i guess
Anyone know a source of vicious looking dogs?
Need for conversion fodder
Games Workshop trying to turn Cathay of all factions into the defacto main character of TOW is going to fail horrendously.
>>96234272>oops Grimgor killed them all offscreen
>>96234280I endorse this post.
>>96234092Greenstuff world have some good animal decals
>https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/486-resin-animals
>have Yin-Yin the dragon admiral of Cathay
>nah let's have Ming sail to the Old World instead
I get that she's the popular character but it's so dumb without even getting into what Ming should actually be doing.
Also the releases right now are obviously focused on her and Zhao, what if down the line I actually really like the fluff and color scheme of the other dragons? Do I just hold off? Not that the Arcane Journal really goes into that anyway. God forbid you elaborate on the color schemes of different provinces and cities.
>>96234306Miao is their Karl Franz/Malekith/Archaon, so of course they'r gonna shove her in your face during the faction's debut, logic be damned.
>what if down the line I actually really like the fluff and color scheme of the other dragons? Do I just hold off?It's really fucked, but I guess your only recourse is checking the Total War factions as apparently those are the canon looks. ONe of the WH Community posts confirmed that Miao Ying's northern provinces use red as their main color (for some fucking reason), which tracks with the game look.
finally done with the battalion
>>96233956I watched the Andy Law/Loremaster of Sotek stream on Cathay and their stance was that the Arcane Journal is basically fine and not bad at all because it's obviously propaganda. Even though (as they note) it's explicitly author-voice, not in-world.
It really says something when you write something so bad that everyone collectively refuses to believe you could be that stupid. Where they say 'this is fine because it's not actually real. The mistake you made is so egregious that we'll assume you didn't make it.'
>>96234421Drybrush that texture paint right this instant, chinaman.
>>96234388Its actually worse than I thought, I thought the transfers had Zhao as well but it's all just Meow iconography in different colors
FINALLY playing my cathay mate tomorrow. He is bringing a Shogungen Lord and Gate Master. Is it ok then for me to use a non dragon Chaos Lord ?
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>>96234306>>96234388Went to get a sample since I couldn't find one online. Hopefully this helps you come to a decision if you must go for canon colors.
All the color schemes seem to more or less track with their respective dragons, except for the northern and southern provinces that seem to be switched? GW made a point to mention that Miao Ying was aligned with life/water and that the chinese use black to represent that element, yet the fire guys are black while the water guys are red. My only guess is that green and red made for better contrast so it was chosen for the promotional images, and since Miao's faction are the posterboys, she got stuck with those colors.
This is my gatemaster for cathay
>>96227611Christ, they look like Heroforge minis
Is the HE Battalion box a bad starting box? I got myself a few sprues of Spearmen and Archers for alternative skirmish games and I love them so much I am ready to consider building a full army. People seem to hate it tho, I often see it being named one of the worst battalion box released.
>>96234817why is he a bird?
>>96234852his mother was a secret tzeentch cultist
>>96234852why aren't you a bird?
>>96234831its bad because its filled with all of the god awful sculpts that nearly no one wants. They could have put in seaguard instead which would be able to pose as both spearmen and archers, but no, gw had to put the models with mold lines in Evey asshole of the model.
>>96234831You get 2 decent looking chariots and the rest are the worst models in the range, I'm sure you can figure this one out.
>>96234872>>96234879Well if the whole beef with this box is just about the sculpts then I'm good since assembling them is a cathartic experience for me.
>They could have put in seaguard instead which would be able to pose as both spearmen and archersBut Spearmen can be assembled as Seaguard. It is even explicitly shown in their assembly guide.
>gw had to put the models with mold lines in Evey asshole of the modelThere are modern kits that are much worse in this regard. Flesh hounds are like 12 times more annoying to clean and assemble.
>>96234421Looks good. Paint the sides of your bases :)
>>96234723Thanks for this image. Was looking for a good side-by-side comparison like this.
>>96234723I really wish jade guard looked like that
Why donโt vampire counts have a blood line dedicated to bats
>>96235202Don't the von Carsteins have a thing with bats?
>>96235242I think they have more of a thing with wolves than bats
>Always wanted to play fantasy as a kid, but couldn't because money.
>Always thought VC were so cool and loved the models
>find out they aren't reissueing them for the OW
>super pricey everywhere
This shit is so ass, i just went with empire instead because i like artillery
>>96235413They'll be back eventually, almost all the models have been phased out of AoS already.
Besides, they won't pass on the chance to write in a new girlboss vampire lord as the face of the faction during this period.
>>96235434Hopefully, even a mto wave would be decent
>>96235434>a new girlboss vampire lord as the face of the faction during this period.AOS has claimed dominion over the Lahmian line considering that vampire counts never really explored both that, and the strigoi blood line.
I think they tried exploring necarchs too but that clearly was failed from the get go.
so all thats left for old world to consolidate are blood dragons, mouselion, necharchs, jade blooded, and von cunts.
>>96235541All of them are egalitarian now so that's no problem.
>>96235541>jade bloodedsolly, no body hollol, arrowed
>>96235541I'd really like a Necrarch character this time
>>96235617She does turn into a big monster, so that would be considered body horror
>>96219526 (OP)Does anyone have that old image from white dwarf where the one designer is like "buy a box, paint each guy uniquely, name them, don't WAAC, don't metaslave, play the game thematically even if it means putting yourself at a disadvantage or don't play at all"?
>>96230056You know what, I've read a ton of alt-history sci-fi about this stuff, but I never actually understood what the difference between a Matchlock, a Flintlock or a Wheel-Lock was.
