Thread 96287701

Why is casual roleplaying so hated now? When did obsessive gameplay take over?

the only thing worse than a nogames making a shitty comment is op making a thread about it

>>96287726
Kill yourself you projecting faggot.
>>96287701 (OP)
Blame /osrg/. They fetishize the like that D&D is a dungeon crawling board game and should be raped to death by cows for infecting the rest of the world with that retardation.

>>96287701 (OP)
It's a RETVRN to a pastiche of old-school roleplay rooted more in the special case of convention play than the broader community. A half-decent immersive sim team can make vidya better for this than a TTRPG ever could be, even out to ACKS complexity; indeed, the more intricate the ruleset the better the advantage vidya has, because the computer will never forget a rule.

To justify a TTRPG in the broader entertainment space these days, you NEED to put the focus on fuzzy-logic, bespoke-to-playgroup content, and character interaction.

Imagine holding onto a screenshot of a five-year-old 4chan post.

>>96287701 (OP)
it's always the pencil neck leftist incels who make empty death threats like that

>>96287768
imagine not making a screencap of every single post you make on 4chan.

>>96287701 (OP)
Theatrical extroverts cause sullen introverts' ears to ring. Purely a volume issue. Quiet angry systematic spergs hate emoting and s-elf expression. They would rather drone on about Mentat and Mouldgays or their wife's Grey Box or whatever. 5E is the tits, 5E gets the chicks.

>>96287701 (OP)
I don't hate it, I just hate the shitstains who cry about video games when they hear about a mechanic that's too complex for them to process.
You want to casually roleplay? Go right ahead, I think it's fun too, but don't pretend it's the only way to roleplay, and don't jump on peoples' backs for liking their games having consistent structure and crunch.

>>96287701 (OP)
Autists who helplessly see the forest for the trees get caught in the weeds, chucking out the roleplay in exchange for maximizing the game-mechanics-to-time-spent ratio. Such people are human paperclip maximizers, and not to be trusted on this front.

>>96287701 (OP)
I can't even tell which side you think is casual or whether you think that post was made in earnest.

Contraianism completely ruined this website.

>knowing how the enemy behaves to plan accordingly is bad gameplay
the anon in the pic was being retarded in an attempt to seem above you for playing his pretend toy game right, like a big boy.
Anyone who thinks there's an absolute way to play pretend with dice has the maturity of a toddler.

>>96287784
no role play is now leftist? is it right wing to do theatre of the mind soap operas where you express your deep feelings?

>>96288063
>is it right wing to do theatre of the mind soap operas where you express your deep feelings
If you're so good at it that it counts as high art worthy of recognition 500 years from now then yes. Otherwise no.

>01/20/20
5 years ago
>IMG_5493
slop thread posted from a phone

>>96287701 (OP)
I've never had players ask "why are x" here unless it's been a bunch of sessions into a long campaign, nor have I ever heard of GMs who don't at least have a reason why the monsters in the dungeons are there. It's usually a loop of "I feel like putting an orc here" and if it doesn't make sense just bullshit a reason away. I'm convinced everyone who makes these threads are nogames. Situations where the dungeon creatures are out of place are usually the whole point of the dungeon.
>why are we fighting goblins in this Holy Temple of Angel Godliness?
>I have an answer but your characters gonna have to explore more and fight more goblins

>>96287701 (OP)
That's a shitpost made in a nogames thread. These people aren't real and they don't play shit.

>>96287701 (OP)
Simple, the theater kids and queers trying to push themselves as the main character kind of ruin it for everyone else. Also, that only works in long campaigns when it would matter to have a more fleshed out world. So games like ACKS, SAKE, ETC it might make more sense. However 5e and most modern games tend to be a basic 1-10 level single campaign nothing late game and basically you just beating a BBEG and ending there. So you just need a basic reason for your players to go to the next location and all. Plus like I said the queers ruin any of the social check and all but trying to push their gay shit into the world. Look at Daggerheart, WOKE DND, ETC. Every place need to look like a liberal arts college and all. The villain needs to be a white man cause women or blacks didn't do nuthin wrong. ETC

>>96287746
ACKS isn't particularly complex, it's just super tedious and thinks every little thing needs six poorly thought-out rules slapped onto it. It's about as deep as a puddle, largely because it focuses on lots of little modifiers that accumulate into a meaningless gray slush of averaged mediocrity.

>>96288700
You really need to just fuck off already, you weird little troll.

>>96288703
Having six poorly thought-out rules slapped onto every little thing making it horribly tedious is in fact demonstrating complexity. It is rarely utilized and annoying and thus bad complexity, but it makes up for lacking the depth of emergent complexity from well considered interconnected rules and systematic approaches with very, very inefficient breadth.

If anything, that just makes it even more suited to vidya because all these nested fiddly conditions only relevant in a single specific case are EXACTLY the kind of memory-check having a megabyte of lookup tables trivializes, whereas coding NPC behavior for a system with high emergent complexity from the feedback of systems of rules is nasty.

>>96288740
No, it's demonstrating stupidity and inefficiency. It is complex in the same way a haystack is complex, which is to say not in any meaningful way: it's just a pile of messy straw.
>the depth of emergent complexity
Which it doesn't have. The only things that emerge from it is incredibly dull and mundane tedium that is only appealing to accountants and other fun-deficient people who, when faced with a pile of straw, throw in a needle and then say "hey, now we're going to have some fun!"

It's better to just move on and find something actually designed to be a fun game, rather than going through the motions of trying to figure out how to get fun to "emerge" from a game that can't even function without Excel open.

>>96288795
>It is complex in the same way a haystack is complex, which is to say not in any meaningful way: it's just a pile of messy straw.
But it remains complex. It's certainly not what anyone would call "simple".

>Which it doesn't have.
...Yes, that is in fact part of the point being made.

>from a game that can't even function without Excel open.
Further reinforcing the points actually made, instead of... whatever you think I'm saying.

I'm not saying that ACKS is a good or well-designed or widely-applicable game or anything, I'm simply saying it is complex and right from my initial post noted that raw ruleset intricacy favors vidya that will not mis-apply or forget a rule.

>>96288833
ACKS is incredibly simple. Just take B/X, and for anything that should be quick and easy, add two-to-seven additional rolls that add nothing but a way to burn some time. From the player side of things, you could create a perfect replicate of ACKS just by playing B/X, before the DM says anything, he rolls 1d6+1 and everyone just waits that many minutes.

>>96288870
>ACKS is incredibly simple.
Your description is not "simple". What I refer to as "complexity" is volumetric, being a mile wide does in fact make up for being an inch deep. Your grudge against tedium does not change that all those fiddly rules do in fact add to the overall complexity of the system.

>>96287701 (OP)
Anon thinks it makes him look smarter than the casual roleplayer
That's all there is to it

>>96288892
>Your grudge against tedium
This is the funniest thing I've read today, largely because it sounds like people need some kind of personal reason to hate tedium.

>>96288912
It is in fact a grudge when you keep replying to somebody already making a negative value judgement to screech about it so incoherently you end up repeating sentiments they're already making. To point that out again with quotation:

>>96288740
>lacking the depth of emergent complexity
>>96288795
>Which it doesn't have.

>>96288944
You seem upset and confused. You're seeing agreements and looking for arguments.

>>96288972
No, that is you responding to >>96287746 with screeching that tedium isn't complexity such that you literally repeat the point being made. Again, I literally said it lacked the depth of emergent complexity, and your response was quoting "the depth of emergent complexity" followed by saying it didn't have it. We both agree ACKS is shit, we both agree that fiddly minutia resulting in obnoxious tedium is a major part of it being shit, you just insist I not include that in measuring "complexity" for... Some reason.

>>96287840
This. It’s really weird to try and talk mechanics on here and people start talking about how “you can run anything in any game” and whatnot. Yeah, that might technically be true but you don’t wanna run a dungeon crawl in like Monsterhearts or whatever.

>>96289008
God, the retards I keep running into in the 3.X communities who think reflavoring is at all smooth with the piles of category checks...

>>96287701 (OP)
>When did obsessive gameplay take over?
It's always been here. You should look at some of the letters written in to 80s and 90s RPG magazines like Dragon, Imagine or White Dwarf., or some of the MANY fan made magazines and journals. What you are experiencing now is nothing new, it's only new to you because you have recently become aware of it.

>>96287701 (OP)
>>96289283
Its this, the truth of the matter is that all the various kinds of groups and players have always existed, they were just limited in how much of the broader culture they could engage with untill the internet came along.
However the current crop of gameplay only posting comes as a reaction to the "theater kid" RP heavy playstyles being embraced by the TTRPG mainstream over the last 10 or so years in comparison to the Soft Simulationist paradigm that allowed for other parts of the spectrum to exist as secondary factors within its era of cultural dominance, which existed since the dialup days to the rise of the aforementioned RP heavy playstyles..

>>96288707
Go back to Bluesky. We care for your kind here NPC

>>96288662
>>why are we fighting goblins in this Holy Temple of Angel Godliness
There are strawman extremes of "no one cares roll the dice" and having a canonical "thousands of years ago..." answer to literally every possible question and basically every roleplaying game ever played exists between those two extremes.
But here on /tg/ we get in to stupid fights about hypothetical games played by scarecrows.

>>96289008
If your players only know how to play dnd and won't learn anything else, then you might end up running a mystery or a horror game or something with it, even though it's not well suited. It can be a way to introduce what different games are like, a little a time. So the next time you suggest they learn and try something new, you can refer back to the time they really liked the political drama sessions from x or whatever, to maybe win them over.

ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTHn2tHhcI

The emergent gameplay that comes from ACKS systems is the single best groundwork for a sandbox campaign out there.
You can scrabble, claw, whine and shart all you like, but the game speaks for itself.
>B-b-but it's tediou-
Filtered, gatekept and the rest of us are glad that's the case.

>>96287701 (OP)
Self-publishing made everyone try to be a novelist and when they failed, they took it out on their gaming group.

>>96288045
No it didn't.

>>96290271
>filtered, our game is bad, so you didn't play it, and I'm glad you didn't play it
Cool. Go away.

>>96290302
>I can't enjoy it that means no one can enjoy it
Back to the retard containment zone with you; I'm talking to the people in this thread who aren't skiing down the left hand side of the IQ bell curve.

>>96290302
Something about ACKS makes it so only a specific kind of retard plays it, the kind of retard who has to cope extra hard.

>>96290312
That's not what you said, you said that its tedious mechanics filtered and gatekept people out of your game.

>>96290341
No, I said you said it's tedious, because you've been filtered and need to justify why that's the case.
You're too full of hubris to just outright say 'Well I can't understand how all these various systems fit together in my head' so instead you lie, to yourself and others.
It's purely sour grapes on your part.
Don't worry though buddy, it'll be our little secret that you're too bitch basic to handle something as simple as ACKS.

>>96287808
Well, 5e has the slight speedbumps, at least

>>96290359
You literally used the word tedious to describe your own game. You don't even seem to understand what that word means or implies, because you say "ooo, it's too COMPLICATED for you."

No, tedious doesn't mean "complicated." If every combat in 5e took seventeen rounds to resolve, but all we do for those seventeen rounds is roll to-hit and damage, that's tedious but not any more complicated than it already is.

>>96287701 (OP)
That was a parody of the constant troll posts we were getting at the time, you idiot.

>>96290375
>He thinks that I'm the same anon as further up the thread
We already know you're a retard, no need to keep providing more evidence of the fact.

>>96290390
You think this is good game design and not a gigantic waste of my time. You are the retard.

>>96290395
Explain what's wrong with it, in your own words

>>96290395
>Nuuu, players domains changing without their direct input is a waste of time, it couldn't possibly become a source of adventure that connects into other aspects of the setting (Families going missing & PCs investigating, wars in nearby nations, ect) and provide them with opportunities.
>This in no way feeds in to things like the XP system, how many troops players have access to, their cash reserves (All things vital at Conqueror level) ect, ect, no-no, it's just random rolls for the sake of rolling, honest guv'
I bet you shit yourself half catatonic with rage the first time someone explained to you that combat was going to be a series of rolls that would 'waste your time' with various possible outcomes which you, as the player, would have to react to. Or is that just grandfathered in as far as you're concerned?
Oh who am I kidding, you don't play games.
Not even the most unlovable, troglodytic FATAL-connoisseur would put up with you for more than a session.

>>96290395
Stop triggering the retard. He's gonna throw a tantrum for the next three days if you do.

>>96290490
>Samefagging this hard
You're too stupid to even change your insults when pretending to be multiple people.

>>96290427
He won't, unfortunately this fuckhead has been at this for 3+ years and never made a legit point.
He's legit autistic and incapable of not picking a fight any time the system that makes him seethe is mentioned on the board.

>>96287701 (OP)
>Why is casual roleplaying so hated now? When did obsessive gameplay take over?
We retards like critical roll happened and every fucking DnD group now is filled with 1 or 2 retards that want to purposefully derail the entire ordeal for the MAYMAYS because they wanna renact the silly maymay dnd adventure like they saw on critical roll, so rather then it happen naturally they try and force it, and just like a fart, if you force it, its gonna be shit.

Lots of older players just wanna play their dnd game, not pretend they are entertaining a non existent chat.

>>96290531
>multiple people think I'm a retard!
Maybe you should stop being a retard.

>>96287701 (OP)
Retarded OSR secondaries that don't play games but also have some kind of weird puritan expectation of how they're played, despite the fact that historically games were never played in the way they were described. It's like the same retards crying endlessly about how "OSR is all about player freedom!" When every other situation described in B2 (A module hailed as THE starter module for basic D&D) has advice on how to make sure your players do exactly what you want them to do and what to do if they try to "ruin" the adventure.

>>96290427
It is a waste of time. Busywork to produce a net-zero impact on the game state, with no player decisions impacting it whatsoever.

>>96290465
>>Nuuu, players domains changing without their direct input is a waste of time, it couldn't possibly become a source of adventure that connects into other aspects of the setting (Families going missing & PCs investigating, wars in nearby nations, ect) and provide them with opportunities.
>>This in no way feeds in to things like the XP system, how many troops players have access to, their cash reserves (All things vital at Conqueror level) ect, ect, no-no, it's just random rolls for the sake of rolling, honest guv'
If you are just going to make up a bunch of bullshit that's not in the quoted section to do, you could also make up a bunch of bullshit without the quoted section.

>I bet you shit yourself half catatonic with rage the first time someone explained to you that combat was going to be a series of rolls that would 'waste your time' with various possible outcomes which you, as the player, would have to react to.
Did you know that combat often involves significant stakes, and not gaining or losing an average of 4 people from a domain of 1,000 per month? Additionally, player decisions - including fleeing, casting spells, or choice of targets - influence the flow and consequence of the combat.

>>96290465
>>I bet you shit yourself half catatonic with rage the first time someone explained to you that combat was going to be a series of rolls that would 'waste your time' with various possible outcomes which you, as the player, would have to react to.
To try to clarify it so that you can understand, this is more like if every day, at the start of every adventuring day, you rerolled all your hit dice so you had a different amount of total HP. Except, actually, it's much worse than that, since you could quite easily roll, say, 10 HP one day and 30 HP the next; while you have no control there, at least the impact is substantial. The effect here is <1%/month and averages out to zero.

>>96290555
Fortunately for the rest of us, you having 3 schoolyard-grade insults always outs your samefagging so we don't have to worry about it being more than one person.
You really are the loudest cock in the chicken coop.
Not the biggest mind you, just the most irritating.

>>96290594
>If you're going to make up a bunch of bullshit-
And behold, we get to the point in the conversation where he unwittingly admits that he's too stupid to fill in the gaps by himself, someone who can't see 'A small town has disappeared overnight' and go 'My players would want to know what happened to their subjects'
I don't even have to put effort into running rings around you, I just have to keep you talking and sooner or later you always go 'Why yes, I am an honest to god, sippy-cup-swilling, hat-with-a-propeller-wearing, dribbling retard. But if we could move past that-'
No, we can't, because it's the foundation of the conversation on your end.

>>96290631
Man I've seen systems where you roll your HD for your HP at the start of a combat.
Try being a little less small minded.

>>96290594
>falling for his bait

>>96290646
>And behold, we get to the point in the conversation where he unwittingly admits that he's too stupid to fill in the gaps by himself, someone who can't see 'A small town has disappeared overnight' and go 'My players would want to know what happened to their subjects'
So you can't read?

If you're going to make up bullshit, you don't need to roll a bunch of dice for a <1%/month impact on the game state that averages out to zero. I can say "hey, a bunch of people left your domain last month" without needing to roll 10d10 exploding dice. If you want a random mechanic to handle this, there are much better ways than this.

The fact that you believe you can only have things happen if you first go through a tedious, Excel spreadsheet bunch of busywork is because you have genuine brain damage.

>>96290665
He's an ACKS defender, they're actually this stupid.

>>96290674
>I can just make shit up
Yes, you can, but to bring it back around to the crux of the discussion, ACKS is like Rimworld, a big set of interlocking systems designed to create an interesting, emergent sandbox experience.
You, basic brainlet that you are, can only think in averages or bespoke experiences the DM has made up.
You can't look at a rule that explains what happens when a player becomes a monster and go 'Ah yes, I can see how that would come out of this mechanic or that one, resulting in a compelling story without the DM ever having to actually plan for it to happen.'
Sir Fang was not something Dave Arneson planned for, he was a throw in, and yet you, looking back on that kind of gameplay, probably can't even see how it relates to ACKS or why I'm mentioning it in this post.

>>96290682
shut up brownoid

>>96290271
>The emergent gameplay that comes from ACKS systems is the single best groundwork for a sandbox campaign out there.
Bespoke one-offs running in a void do not create particularly intricate emergent gameplay, because there's incredibly little feedback to it; it simply happens when called upon.

>>96290375
>STILL mistaking third post for an ACKS supporter

>>96290427
>>96290465
By the text provided alone, there isn't actually anything the players can do because it's divorced from any circumstances. The "plot-hook" is solely fuzzy-logic adjudication with all counter-acting of decline being more of the same. For proper emergent complexity, it should be in-lined to functions governing it as a random offset to causal logic by default with the fuzzy-logic plot-hook being narrowed to the finer details and outlier results.

>>96290646
>And behold, we get to the point in the conversation where he unwittingly admits that he's too stupid to fill in the gaps by himself
Population drift shouldn't rely on that. The subject is so important to the world-state and long-term progression that governing it with a mere random walk is utterly inexcusable.

>someone who can't see 'A small town has disappeared overnight'
A small town's worth of people throughout the month. That's what the rule says. It does not say anything about how concentrated it is, nor how abrupt it is, thus this is fuzzy-logic adjudication back-filling from the die result that just says "population go down".

>>96290682
No one could be as stupid as he is pretending to be. His whole argument is "it's potentially possible to squeeze out some tiny bit of fun from this entirely unfun system that actively works against anything interesting happening and conditions DMs to be as boring as possible" and yet he acts like everyone else is the idiot.

Spinning out troll screenshots of troll posts into their own garbage threads. Amazing.

>>96290716
silence brownoid

>>96290692
>a big set of interlocking systems
The argument is that they AREN'T interlocking particularly well because most of the "systems" are bespoke fiddly bullshit rather than integrated, causing a lot more rolls than there would be if Dave could sit down and actually consider what needs its own rule and what could be reduced to a clause of another.

>>96287701 (OP)
>now
You're young.
Tricking nerds (and any western protestant consumer group really) into thinking they're the most pure and eXtreme has been a thing since before you were born. Sport accessories, cigarettes, kitchen appliances,, all that shit. You sell more of it by creating a culture where every consumer thinks they're the True example of whatever that identity is.
Nerds get an extra layer of pretention by most of their interests being researchable very easily so they can put in minimal effort to know a seemingly large amount about an otherwise obscure (because no one in their right mind would give a fuck about it) facet of buying shit and having liked it before it was cool.

>>96290289
Underrated post

>>96287738
>Blame /osrg/.
Lot of newfriends today.
The osr-is-hardcore train was a decade ago anon. Before that it was the forge, which lead to all of the pbta/bitd stuff as well, and before that it was White Wolf and before that it was 2nd ed ad&d being more advanced than 1st ed ad&d and before that it was Advanced being more more mature than Basic, etc. etc. etc.

>>96290698
See, now this is both a separate poster and someone who is capable of an actual discussion.
I get where you're coming from and personally? I'd at least include a factor for morale if nothing else, but that's the thing, you and I can have that discussion because there's a mechanic there and now we're thinking of ways to improve on it.
Without it there, population growth/decline would be outside the overton window of the games mechanics and we'd never talk it over to begin with.
Yeah I'd like something more nuanced as well, but for 'People come, people go', it's not the worst rule of thumb.

>>96290723
No, the argument being made is
>Urgh, tedious, boring, grug no like, show grug the shiny keys again, grug like those
To say the systems don't integrate particularly well you have to have actually played the game.
Insert reference to the fish economics story here.

>>96290723
The goal isn't to make a good system though, it's to fill up page count.

>>96287746
>To justify a TTRPG in the broader entertainment space these days
This anon is entirely consumed by corporate time mgmt strat. So much it invades his every moment and he must inflict it on everything around him. Pity him, for it is too late, he will always be trapped in the cycle of needing to justify his desires to an imaginary audience of accountants.

Oh and fuck me, well would you look at that, our resident shithead conveniently left out both the bit before and the bit after the rule he posted, both of which give additional context.
Me oh fucking my, it's almost like he's a deceptive little cockwrangler who ignores anything that isn't 'proving his point'

>>96290692
>Sir Fang was not something Dave Arneson planned for, he was a throw in, and yet you, looking back on that kind of gameplay, probably can't even see how it relates to ACKS or why I'm mentioning it in this post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXTv_yKAP-E

>>96290768
Nice deflection, but you're dead wrong.

>>96290692
Why play ACKS (a game that has had actual, verifiable and proven shilling campaings here) instead of Traveller (which is a good game with interlocking systems that doesn't suck ass and isn't a B/X clone)?

>>96290784
...Are you under the impression that one cannot do beer-and-pretzels roleplay at a LAN party or something? Do you really think that autists spending an hour on resolving background information of a single in-game day is at all satisfying to the non-autists stuck playing with him? It's not automatically "consumed by corporate time management" to notice that tooth-to-tail ratio applies to TTRPGs. If resolution outgrows action too much, you end up creating wretches like >>96288703.

>>96291024
>a game that has had actual, verifiable and proven shilling campaings here
I'm sure you've a whole bunch of evidence to back that claim?
Go on, post it if you've got anything more than 'I pulled that out my ass'
This should be a laugh given I've been called a shill in the past by you redditor faggots.

>>96287701 (OP)
A player doing this at a table is obnoxious.

Somebody looking at your campaign notes for a solicited opinion has a point. A casual game is still supposed to be fun and a large part of the “fun” experience for a DM is creating a world that makes sense, more or less. Games with no thought put into the setting will fatigue players as they struggle to find direction or logic in it, just as much as a setting with entirely too much thought put into it will fatigue them with pointless detail and boundless nitpicking.

Casual doesn’t equivocate to lazy.
>>96288700
You express my shared views so poorly and with such misplaced anger that it makes me embarrassed to have them.

>>96287701 (OP)
Don't get so worked up anon, we can continue letting you read the 200 page campaign you wrote after we finish up this four hour combat encounter with the three orcs over there. Right now I just want to focus on looking through the 10 pages of abilities and feature I have for a level 4 fighter-warlock multiclass subclassed to slayer-hexplade to find what I want to use

>>96290857
>ACKS-hating redditors openly lie about shit then disappear when called out only to doubtless turn up next thread where ACKS is mentioned and claim they won the argument last time
Many such cases.
Far too many sadly.

>>96291181
>just as much as a setting with entirely too much thought put into it will fatigue them with pointless detail and boundless nitpicking.
These pitfalls are significantly more common for GMs than the former "directionless" campaign. It's bone-easy to come up with an excuse to adventure, but it's also very easy for GMs to get caught in the closed loop of, "I need to detail everything, and ensure every map is to-scale and aesthetically accurate." It will kill you.

>>96291024
The worst part is whenever there's a kickstarter campaign and they get even more active. The good news is that the ACKS2 kickstarter was a failure (despite hitting their incredibly low target [which was low so they could later advertise the kickstarter as a success], they failed to even get 2k people, and because the target was so low they couldn't even afford the planned art and instead have to use AI generated images), so they might just give up on relying on shills since they're clearly doing a shit job.

>>96291247
>AI art
That's a yikes from me. Classic Traveller doesn't even need art to have a good game that simulates an economy better than ACKS lmao.

>Redditioids reduced to talking to themselves and dragging out old talking points while ignoring the pendulous ballsack delicately resting on their forehead.
I don't know why you 'people' even try, you've never once managed to fit in or pass as an actual anon.

>>96290427
It's a good start, but doesnt take into account the players actions on the community. Maybe introduce mods to the results if Marcus (if a high level cleric?) went around curing diseases and injuries, if he started training up other clerics to do the same, if Marcus fought off bandits, orc raiders and dragons, if he used magic to garantee a better crop and healthier farm animals, if he reduced crime by being a fair judge, if he invested in a militia to keep the peace and help in emergencies like fire and floods, sorted out the sewers and river pollution,etc.

>>96291261
It's mildly poetic that a guy who doesn't even know how to manage the budget of making a book also can't figure out how to make an economic system work.

>>96291295
Fortunately that's actually a factor, as shown here >>96290857
The cocksucker was just lying by ommission.

>>96291007
nou

>>96291295
Alternatively, if Marcus was a complete murderhobo cunt and strip mined the domain for all it was worth, sacked all the clerks that kept the domain running, raised rents and drove out those who couldnt pay, confiscated land, crops and farm animals, stuck all the adults into a massive army and sent them away to fight, the population should take a big nose dive.

>>96291060
You are under the impression everything has to be justified to a low attention span audience as an extension of marketing bandwidth.

>>96291322
>Alternatively, if Marcus was a complete murderhobo cunt and strip mined the domain for all it was worth, sacked all the clerks that kept the domain running, raised rents and drove out those who couldnt pay, confiscated land, crops and farm animals, stuck all the adults into a massive army and sent them away to fight, the population should take a big nose dive.
There's actually rules for that as well in the form of the general morale rules (And pillaging).
And ways to get around them so you can still play a viable evil bastard.

>>96291261
>yikes
lol anti-ACKS guy really is a redditor

Don't mind the game, not my thing but doesn't bother me other people like it. Wanted to post the song though.

>>96287701 (OP)
I suggest you change your friends, I've never seen such a stupid take as the one in your screenshot, in fact I've never seen anyone have a take even remotely similar to this, all roleplayers I know love roleplay as storytelling rofl

>>96287701 (OP)
Why are greasy pepperoni farts so hated now?
*rips a greasy pepperoni fart in your face*

>>70555885
>skims op pic original thread
lmao what a shithouse

>>96291363
>As you fuck a femboy he goes beep-beep
Come to think of it there are no rules for ploughing your Ottoman harem of underage bussy for mechanical bonuses.
Though, I suppose you could combine the slave soldier rules and the fate points for wasting money rules to cover it.

>>96287701 (OP)
I was ready to agree with this but it stinks too much of "bacon and beer", "the art of manliness" style beard-masculinity.

>>96291363
Where does the idea that ACKS is somehow fascist come from? I have the game and I've seen no political opinions either way in it.

>>96291453
You now understand the entire OSR movement

>>96291466
The author once worked for some gay guy associated with gamergate.
Apparently working with the homosexuals is enough to make you an untouchable on reddit.

>>96291508
It's always interesting to see how a shill tries to downplay what he did.

>>96291523
How would you describe the original sin of Marcis that forced you and your proglodyte buddies to cast him forth from the sacred gardens of /r/OSR then?
Speak to us of the forbidden fruit and how he drew a cock swastika on the moon with his secret chud superlaser.
Oh and of course
>Still hasn't provided any proof there are shills, but is now calling people shills

>>96291346
To be fair you need to have a very high iq to enjoy ACKS.

>>96287701 (OP)
Stop taking every shitpost on this crackhouse of a board so damn seriously.

>>96291546
He unironically likes Gor, also he sends his army of shills to 4cuck relentlessly.

>>96291553
>his response to being called out as a redditor is to accuse me of being a redditor
lmao

>>96291560
>He unironically likes Gor
I already like the guy, you don't have to convince me to like him by telling me he's into MDom.
>Shills
Still not seeing any proof of that. All I hear is a bunch of salty discordites throwing the accusation around any time anyone says anything that isn't 'ACKS is so bad you guys, it's the worst game 5evar'
The same people who pull shit like this - >>96290395
While leading out >>96290857

So, tell me.
Why should I believe you when I trust you as far as I could comfortably spit a live rat?

>>96291508
>yeah, he just worked for some guy, no big deal

>was the CEO of one of the worst companies to ever exist, dedicated solely to promoting a guy with aspirations of becoming "the worst internet troll"

Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you sit on, it says a lot about a person's character if the company they're running is an incredibly idiotic attempt to farm outrage and advertise an e-celeb attention whore. You really need to be a shameless person with absolutely no scruples, and even if you just did it to grab a paycheck it means you should have to carry that stigma for the rest of your life. It's basically the primary cost of selling your soul: letting everyone know you're a shitbag.

>>96291630
>>was the CEO of one of the worst companies to ever exist, dedicated solely to promoting a guy with aspirations of becoming "the worst internet troll"
But enough about the Escapist and Movie Bob, tell us what he did wrong already!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

>>96291630
>No redemption, no forgiveness, wear the mark of Cain and wander the wasteland for the rest of eternity for-
>Working for the meme faggot
I get that you're as soft as a balloon animal and as honest as a used car salesman that's late on his mortgage.
But no matter how hard you try to pitch this as worthy of Damnatio memoriae at the end of the day you have to put on your big boy pants and accept that no one who isn't as terminally online as you are even knows who the fuck Milo is.
I do because of Gamergate (Oh what a time it was) but given you're more radical than a boy in a tie dyed t-shirt doing a kick flip while wearing slatted shades I get the distinct feeling you were a little young to be involved in that m'larky.
You might need to find a condemnable sin that doesn't get '...sorry, who?' out of anyone young enough to know what a Five Nights at Freddies is.

>being a giant pile of shit on the internet is no big deal to me.
Explains a lot.

A cheerful tip for anyone who wishes to see the discord brigade out themselves.
Always tell tales of your games, particularly the mildly problematic things that happened in them.
Nothing pisses them off quite as quickly or as efficiently as a good old fashioned storytime in which the players don't act like Lancer brand boyscouts using all the heckin' pronouns.

>>96291585
Hello Macris.

>>96291755
>He wants proof of my claims
>Clearly he's not just a shill, he's the Oberkommandante of the shill army
Lol, have some self-respect.
Or at least try to, if you even know what it looks like.

>>96291508
I never paid much (any) attention to gamergate.

>>96291560
>He unironically likes Gor
Poor taste in litterature, I grant you.

>>96291630
>CEO of one of the worst companies to ever exist
You've lost me. I have no idea what this is.

>>96291775
Stop shilling here Macris.

>>96291738
The idea of morality that isn't their own puts them into a blind rage.

>>96291719
I can't believe I'm trying to help you be a better shithead, but the fact you're not just a cocksucker but an incompetent one irritates me.
See, this >>96291782 is what I'm talking about.
You really expect to get a bile reaction from people who have no idea what the fuck you're on about?

I don't care for ACKS
I prefer Tales of Argosa

I see the maga slop containment threads are extra salty this summer

>>96291819
It's cause they realized that their great leader is a fat pedophile who's ruining the economy and driving up prices for everything while alienating all of Americas allies and because they but all of their money in this race they can't admit they voted for a fat retarded pedophile.

>>96291500
Ah yes, the hypermasculine OSR as s singular unified thing. Of course.

>>96291816
>Tales of Argosa
ACKSfag here. I gave this a google and it looks pretty neat. Mind pitching it to me? I'm always eager to learn new systems.

What OSR games lets me make a harem of anthro bitches as a chad human male fighter?

>>96291967
Any as long as you play solo.
You don't want others mackin' on your bitches do you?

>>96291967
Carcossa.

Thank God I play gurps.

>>96287701 (OP)
This is the idealized 5e player.
>Muh theatre kids
I would rather sit in a table with only teathre kids playing any PbtA game than with any amount of soulless minmaxer munchkins and if you disagree >>>/v/ go back.

>>96291874
No, I'm not going to spoonfeed you
Go out and pirate the book if you're so fucking interested, faggot

>>96292205
>He can't do a review of a system he enjoys
Pleb.

>>96291738
>willing to fight to the death like in a Yakuza game
Motherfucker HAD to know that example is wrong. Of all the video games in all the world why pick the one where nobody dies outside of cutscenes.

>>96292223
>still demanding to be spoonfed
Brainlet

>>96292265
>Thinking someone asking your opinion is asking to be spoonfed
Do you even know what that phrase means or its origins? Or did you just hear the cool kids say it once and take a guess?

>>96291796
A comically dark evil vs evil setting where you play a group of troubleshooters for either of those two villains would be fun.
Maybe I should run a game like that sometime.

>>96290752
did you missclick your /leftypol/ tab?

>>96287746
>A half-decent immersive sim team
Can you name one?

>>96287701 (OP)
Yeesh. What faggot wrote this post? I'm here for the story. Leave my table, cruchnigger.

>>96287701 (OP)
that guy is retarded but so are you for reposting his garbage opinions

>>96287701 (OP)
Notice how we keep getting "keep your story to yourself this is a combat sim game" threads? It's like one guy being a retarded faggot.

>>96287701 (OP)
>I want to play a fantasy miniature wargame that's quick, easy and that I can play with the lads over a beer
>which rules should I pick?
>hmm. Dungeons and dragon the role playing game. 600+ pages and most of it isn't even combat rules. Perfect!

>>96287701 (OP)
this image is exactly what's wrong with /tg/

>>96293280
Absolute truth. I was going through my screencaps folder and chuckling at some of the jokes people used to make. Like the Elder brain with disguise skill ranks. Nu-tg would have argued for 300 posts about it instead of making jokes and 5 minute edits in MSpaint.

>>96287701 (OP)
>itt: rollplayers mad that they aren't playing a videogame

>>96287701 (OP)
Casual roleplaying isn't widely hated, fa/tg/uys just love being contrarian. Go to any non-retarded website and people there will love roleplaying.

>>96291967
I once joined an ACKS game that used random character backgrounds so my fighter rolled up as a gladiator who got bonus points to seduction. I spent my sessions building a harem of female NPCs to serve as my meatshields before the DM had a mental break over us killing a dragon "too early" and wanted to scrap the whole thing

>>96295015
Please provide the screenshot, as a Newfriend I'm saddened by the state of this board. I've heard a lot about it's glory days, but on my time spent here I only saw something similar a few times

>>96303746
NTA, but here. And I don't care who bitches me out at this point for posting up decades old shit, I still giggle at some of the old stuff that was out there

>>96291967
ACKS :^)

>>96303767
Awesome. I'm far too young to have been here are the time, but it looks like a golden age. This board is a shadow of it former self.
At the same time, there's not many alternatives that let you keep the sliver of anonimity that's afforded here. I hope that this place can recover from whatever the fuck happened in the late 2010s.

>>96303767
I know 3rd edition monsters were built like characters but WHY does he have ranks in disguise anyway?! For mind controlling someone I guess and pretending they're them?

>>96287701 (OP)
OP picrel is best post

>>96306410
>For mind controlling someone I guess and pretending they're them?
That's basically it.
Maybe to trick a pc into thinking a sending spell came from a friendly npc. That's at least something it could be doing for like half the campaign from a distance before pcs start catching on to what it's doing

>>96304568
While it likely won't, there's always hope.

>>96306410
There was a mechanical reason, but I forgot what it is, so I'm going to headcanon it as pretending to be some other kind of aquatic creature and convincing you with its telepathy and +37 Bluff that you're just IMAGINING it's a giant brain in the water and not a sea cow

>>96287701 (OP)
I would blame the theater kids. They latch on to TTRPGs and try to make themselves the main character in them. Also the gay and the woke pushing their gay shit into it. It wasn't enough they could do it in the game. It had to be thrown into everyone face, everything had to be gay AF and everyone was suppose to like it. Turns out when systems are shit and rather then fix them, you make a gay prom setting. People start checking out for better systems even if they're less known.

>>96288063
Shonner and his acolytes are the most adamant theater kids in roleplaying and they're all anti-woke types. In contrast to all these leftist streamers who people call theater kids, but when you actually watch their streams they're rarely in character and spend a vast majority of the time playing "mother may I" with the GM, doing combat, and making off topic out of character remarks

>>96287701 (OP)
It's for people too stupid to figure out a computer/console and play skyrim or BG3. Why play what is effectively a luddite video game? If you aren't prioritizing story telling and RP far far far above "gameplay" then you may as well fuck off to your PC and boot up BG3.

>>96315543
I want both though. If I just want to play pretend I'd go fuck about with a chatbot or something. Doing it with friends and coming up with plans that work within the system is what makes tabletop games a unique experience.

>>96313507
If the system is shit go to another system. Why hang around in the first place? Sounds like a you problem tbdesu

>>96287701 (OP)
Because people who've never played games are nostalgic for games from 40 years ago. You can like as much classic art as you want, but its easy to sniff out retards who have opinions on hobbies they've only engaged with in their head.

Unfortunately these people are the most vocal because their opinions never actually get questioned by themselves but they're compelled to tell people how TTRPGs ought to be. They're the scum that floats to the top while people who actually play games are more likely to discuss it within their own group and little outside that.

>>96287701 (OP)
Oh that's the PBTA faggot who tried to push the storyshitting meme, just ignore him.

June 6th 2008. The release of D&D 4th Ed. This brought many computer RPG players many of who never played a tabletop rpg. Now new players in the hobby is always a good thing. 4E though wasn't really about storytelling as much as it was about formulaic murder hobo-ing.

>>96322052
>Now new players in the hobby is always a good thing.
Usually a good thing, maybe. There's definitely advantages to having more people to play with. But large influxes of new people can be disruptive to the existing culture.