Thread 96525232

Average Day in Lustria edition

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>TOW:
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>Previous Thread: >>96498952

>TQ: What matchup of factions have you seen in tabletop but is the least likely in the lore? If you haven't seen any games like that IRL, what matchup would you find most difficult to imagine in-lore?

>>96525038
>>96525105
You can't be serious. Impactful? If you're trying to say effective, then sure, there's no arguing with that. Lowering stats, extra movement, magic missiles, sure, they get the job done, but are they impactful? No. Not a single spell in TOW is exciting to cast. Not a single spell in TOW will suddenly swing the game in your favor, nor will a lucky dispel swing the game in your opponent's favor either, with conveyance spells being the only real exception. I'd argue this is by design and, judging by the posts about magic in this very thread, was done because some people really disliked the magic phase in 8th (with good reason, but they listened to the complainers too much). As for variety, what variety? Every magic missile does the same thing. Every conveyance spell does (with TMP being a notable exception, and if you want to talk about spells ruining the game, we can talk about how awful TMP was before it got fixed) functionally the same thing. Every enchantment? Same thing, just buffs your guys' stats. Every hex? Same thing, just lowers your opponents' guys' stats. Magical vortexes have a little variety in their effect, but even then they're so fucking boring. Dangerous Terrain! Dangerous Terrain that blocks LoS! Dangerous Terrain that makes you take a break test if you go near it! Dangerous Terrain that moves and deals a small amount of hits if it touches anything! Just go read the spell lores from 6th.There's no point to this discussion if you won't do that. Fuck, I'll spoonfeed you the lore of Fire from 6th. You want to talk about variety? Look at the different spell effects! Look at how you resolved them! Look at how the spells made you play the game differently! Then look at TOW, where every spell is just an effect applied to a unit after you roll two dice against your opponent's two dice. If you want to bitch about 8th's magic, fine, but Fantasy isn't just 8th.

>>96525349
I've stopped reading after the first sentence. You're shit at the game or have never played it. Either way you're not worth talking to.

>>96525355
I wish people like you would go back to 40k instead of ruining a great game by having low expectations for it.

>>96525358
And I wish people like you would stop posting about games they don't play or don't even have the mental capacity to play properly.

The spells speak for themselves.

>6 flavors of deal x dmg
Indeed, they do speak for themselves.

>>96521797
>Go check out your army's old books, too, so you can see how their rules evolved over time.
God I miss Raider. With it, Beastmen would be close to op though given where they are already.
So much flavor lost. I'd give up the chaos mark for it in a heartbeat

Turbonube here. Sell me on Goblins, Beastmen, Tomb Kings, Chaos warriors, Vampires, or Lizardmen. Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them.

>>96525616
>Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them.
For the most part. A few (for example the AoS skeletons) have issues with ranking up on the proper base sizes.

>>96525378
You know there's way more ways to impact the game than
>Does damage
Right?

>>96525669
Yes. That wasn't my point. Read the actual spells.

>>96525232 (OP)
If a person wanted to do a vampire coast army, what list would be most appropriate to represent it? Tomb kings perhaps? They're undead and have a good mix of shooting, monsters etc.

>>96525616
>Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them
For factions like Night Goblins, Ogres, and WoC absolutely. I've also seen some cool Wood Elf conversions like an all-dryad list that uses those faggot elf-ghost trees as the mandatory Glade Guard

>>96525349
>lore of Fire from 6th
>variety
You mean the lore with two spells, both magic missiles, one dealing d6 S4 hits and the other 2d6 S4 hits?
Just being cheeky anon, I fucking love the lore of fire

>>96525678
Steed of shadow is Spectral Steed but worse. Steed of Shadows is actually in the game but it targets an entire unit.
Creeping death is just a magic missile
Shades of death is Deathly Cabal
pelt of Midnight is straight up useless
Unseen Lurker is Arcane Urgency
Pit of Shades is just vortex that can slow. Almost every vortex is difficult/dangerous terrain in tow and therefore reduce movement and charges.

None of those have as much impact as crystal column, travel mystical pathway, miasmic mirage, earthen rampart or phantasmagoria

>>96526006
And that's not counting game shifting army lore spells like Itchy Nuisance, Viletide or Hellish Vigor

Everyone at my locals dropped Age of Sigmar this year and started getting into TOW. I've been out of the loop for a few years as i got more into skirmish games but what happened?

>>96526225
As a fan both: AoS 4th is the killer combination of being both extremely bland and poorly balanced. It's just not fun, and a good deal of the things it's lacking (namely customization) are present in TOW.

>>96526225
AoS primaris'd their land marines and squatted their beastmen, has no lore, and seems to generally not be very fun or complex due to giant centerpiece spam and tiny army sizes. Not to mention everything that isn't a 1:1 remake of a preexisting WFB model looks like dog ass, not many people out there with Inner Cities of Sigmar or steampunk faggot dorf armies.

>>96526006
Steed of Shadows is not just Spectral Steed but worse and Unseen Lurker is not Arcane Urgency. Both of these spells allow you to make a charge, which is something you can't do with conveyance spells in TOW because you cast them during the remaining moves sub-phase. You should also be comparing it to Infernal Gateway. Pelt of Midnight is situational, but you're smoking crack if you think making a unit significantly harder to hit during the shooting phase is useless. Pit of Shades isn't a vortex, it works like a magic missile spell, it has an infinite range, and moving at half speed is a lot more impactful than you make it out to be.
>crystal column
Fair, that spell is actually really cool. Shame casting it is so mind-numbingly boring.
>TMP
As was mentioned previously, a notable, but welcome, exception, but if you want to bitch about broken spells you don't get to say nice things about TMP. I've experienced firsthand what old TMP could do. Not fun.
>miasmic mirage
Good spell, very powerful. Worthy of being the 6th spell of its lore. Real shame you cast it in exactly the same way you'd cast any other spell, making it feel like any other hex.
>earthen ramparts
Is it strong? Sure, especially if you're playing at a tournament. Is it impactful? What even is your definition of impactful? Game-winning? Memorable?
>phantasmagoria
Sure, it's good. Real shame the rest of the lore sucks so hard that nobody ever picks it.
Also, it's extremely gay that illusion and elementalism have four out of your five super impactful spells. Not all armies have access to these lores. But, I'll concede, not all spells in TOW are bland and boring in and of themselves. Just most of them, and also all of them, because casting these spells doesn't feel impactful. In summary, TOW magic sucks and I don't like it! 2d6+mod, bleh. Disgusting! And you cherrypicked spells and I think that's gay too, which makes you gay.

>>96526309
>AoS primaris'd their land marines
was this not overwhelmingly seen as a positive change

>>96526225
>Everyone at my locals dropped Age of Sigmar this year and started getting into TOW.
Really? I wonder why they'd transition to tow, They're completely different games. I'd imagine people who are done with AOS or 40k would either go into magic or something else entirely.

>>96526374
>People who play a fantasy wargame are into fantasy wargames
The Warhammer settings are the main draw of new players.

>>96526374
Lots of people have armies you can just play in tow with trays. In my club a guy with a vampire army switched to tow and the others are just playing opr (they were playing opr before 4.0)

>>96526394
>The Warhammer settings are the main draw of new players.
I was pretty sure it was the ease of accessibility, although I still dont see how that answers my question

Update on the tmepole: after three roof attemps in 3 hours, I've managed to get something holding and not horribly unaligned.
I'll add a secondary 'under roof' to cover the lower parts and solidify the edges, since it'll be a removable roof, so 1-2 characters can just hold the line/die gloriously inside.

>>96526412
>although I still dont see how that answers my question
That's not the part of my post that was meant to answer the question. People who play a fantasy wargame are into fantasy wargames, this shouldn't be a shock.
I really don't know why the logical response to not liking say Bolt Action would be to start play MTG and not to find a different WWII wargame.

>>96526374
>be a beastman player
aos killed them
>be a ogre player
aos replacing the line with different aesthetic
>be a cities player
>aos replaced the line with different aesthetic

If you like /yourdudes/ you go where they are still a thing.

>>96526374
TOW is just AoS but with rank and flank tactics and working magic and artillery that doesn't just function like nu-40k, where every spell is either a XD6 shooting attack or debuff. People are tired of 10th ed 40gay and 4th ed AoSissy and their shrimplified no-customization anti-/yourdoods/ horseshit. Also helps that half the AoS range people actually buy (WoC, Night Goblins, Ogres, AoS tranpires, Dark Elves) are more or less usable in TOW with a simple adapter tray.

>>96526490
>>be a ogre player
>aos replacing the line with different aesthetic
no, it isn't

BULL time

>>96526357
What if you were one of the people who liked the landmarines and then had your army changed for outsiders(who still won't play landmarines)

Rebased artillery crews

>>96526490
I don't really see what updating ranges has to do with /yourdudes/
Besides, ogres look to be staying relatively samey? The sneak peek they showed just has a normal gutplate, nothing crazy.

Also WIP skaven

>>96527099
is that a bucket of water on top of the barrel of gunpowder?

>>96527115
It's an antique porta-potty

>>96525362
>>96525355
Hes right, the current magic is boring even if it is effective.
In 10 years time are you going to remember that game where you cast crystal column, it was tactically important and you won the game after? No
Will you remember the game where you lucked out and managed to overcast purple sun and blew up his lord and his entire unit? Or when you fail and your wizard and everyone around him explodes? Yes

>Nehekharan Royal Host 2k

>Tomb king on chariot lvl 1
>Tomb king on chariot lvl 1

>Mortuary priest lvl 2
>Mortuary priest lvl 2

>Skeleton infantry cohort x16 lancers x32 archers
>Skeleton infantry cohort x16 lancers x32 archers

>Skeleton chariot x1
>Tomb guard chariots x3
>Tomb guard chariots x3

>3 ushabti

>Screaming skull catapult
>Screaming skull catapult


What do you think

One Tomb Kang on Bone Dragon would be more fun and give you the beatstick monster you need, or maybe one Tomb Kang on chariot and a Bone Giant or Necrosphinx if you can squeeze in the points. Get some horse archers in there too, replace a catapult with some. Otherwise kino sovl fvnmaxxed and not bad.

>>96527160
dragons are gay tho

>>96527186
you can use the profile while converting a different thing to count as that.

>>96525616
>Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them.

Yes but might have issues with fitting them or ranking them up.

>As a fan both: AoS 4th is the killer combination of being both extremely bland and poorly balanced. It's just not fun, and a good deal of the things it's lacking (namely customization) are present in TOW.


That is the lifecycle of every game. Tourneyfags force the "sportification" of the game killing all flavor and creativity in pursuit of "balance".

You know it's the beginning of the end when you see fat nerds wearing technical sport gear while playing tabletop games.

Raaroo!

>>96527225
Huh, the preyton is a lot smaller than I thought it was.

>>96527231
Yeah it’s pretty small compared to other monsters, it still has the large target special rule though

... my memories have just been sold.

>>96527267
By an angel in a centerfold?

>>96526309
Weird thing about Age of Smegmar is that the humans and dwarfs and elves are absolutely total shit

But they do have some nice monsters and gribbly things like the undead or wolf riders

Oh and Oruks, which are basically just 40k compatible Orcs

>>96527225
I just built mine too. Did you have some large gaps as well or am I just retarded?

>>96527362
I have no idea why they made those weird, fucked up, gangly, sickly Not!LOTR Orc guys instead of making a cool new hobgoblin range to fill the same niche, or why they fucked up the aesthetic of their regular Orcs so bad. Oh well. And yeah, I hate everything to come out of AoS other than the 1:1 remakes like their Night Goblins, but the elves and dorfs are by far the most offensively shit, with Eltharion in the hollow suit of armor and Grombrindal being the only exceptions. They even managed to fuck up Gotrek somehow.

>>96527451
all the modern GW stuff looks like its made of pipe cleaners

>>96527469
The new Eldar range makes my cock throb and the AoS WoC and Night Goblins are god tier, everything else lately I agree. I also hate the Cathay range, too many heavily armored elites and not enough huddled poorfags with pointy sticks and fire lances.

>>96527451
>they made those weird, fucked up, gangly, sickly Not!LOTR Orc guys
I actually like those models, but they sure as fuck arent orcs.
I was thinking of getting some second hand and using them as a base for nurgle-flavoured mutants of some kind

Holy fuck I really want a dragon gf
Fuck I might write fanfic for the first time in like six to eight years.

>>96526773
>He doesn't know

>>96527579
12 feet tall bro.

>>96527644
I know, they're updating the line, not changing the aesthetic or theme.

>>96526374
>>96526225
My local scene does both, but TOW is slowly gaining frequency. I enjoy both, but am more about TOW desu.
Personally, I like it primarily because it's more "relatable" to me. I'm not a huge lore guy, and have yet to read a single GW book. But with 40K and AoS, when every faction has essentially infinite land and resources, it's hard for me to care that town/planet 15437 got burned to the ground.
In alternate fantasy earth, a 2000 point game is probably how big a renaissance era battle would look like. If my guys fail to repel the invaders, their entire city, of which there is a limited number, is probably fucked. Conversely, sacking my opponent's city would actually matter in terms of prosperity. My guys running off the battlefield makes them feel realer to me than simple game pieces.
In terms of gameplay, I like that there are fewer, but larger, decisions, and fuckups are punished severely. It makes me feel like I'm actually commanding a battle than playing a board game.
Also I like that I can carry 2000 points in a reasonably sized backpack

>>96527451
fuck you ironjaws look great

>>96527703
>Black Orcs but with less interesting or believable armor
>too stupid to wear helmets
I hate them

>>96527719
"I'm a big angry Oruk in the Wrong Trousers"

>>96527719
>>too stupid to wear helmets
?

>>96527719
>believable armor
>with GREENSKINS
What is your major malfunction

>>96527660
They are removing all the mongolion imagery and making them cavemen bro. Can't be orientalist think of are kids.

>>96527784
>Can't be orientalist think of are kids.
more like they don't want to offend China

>>96527791
Thats why they started painting ogres as white men a few years back according to Peachy.

>>96527774
Black Orc armor
>crudely smashed together plates made by Orc and Goblin retards, extremely crude but effective, custom made, covered in personalized symbols and trophies, feels plausible and like they could believably cobble it together, offers complete coverage and great protection of vitals
Irunjawr(tm) armor
>Massive complete plates and smoother look in some places, yet MORE crude and fucked up and smashed in other places, pointless mail hanging off doing nothing, no trophies, no customization, looks identical as if mass-produced, somehow offers less protection despite implication of better metalworking
Overall weird inconsistent and thoughtless design philosophy leading to a shit design. Are they more advanced than Black Orcs or are they less advanced? Make up your mind CAD Intern-kun.

>>96526490
I'm in that boat. Replacing CoS with what they look like now, it made me drop the whole game.

>>96527784
>all the mongolion imagery
so just the moustache?
>and making them cavemen
no, they aren't

>>96527761
Is that a character or an entire helmeted unit? All the images I've seen of them show them with no helmets.

>>96527853
a unit

>>96527842
according to the leaker that leaked all the new units they have lost all asian imagery as thats now going TOW exclusive and AoS Ogors are now closer to Orruks with beaten metal scrap armor and hunter gatherer cavemen imagery instead.

Slowly building an OW scene and realized most new players don't enjoy having half their army shot off the board before they reach me. Even less when I Rune of Concussive Force their dragon for 1-3 turns while I wipe out other stuff. Tried adjusting for casual games without getting completely bodied. Open to suggestions
Burlok Damminson [85 pts]
- Furnace hammer
- Rivet gun
- Heavy armour
- General
Thane [197 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- Shieldbearers
- Master Rune of Skalf Blackhammer
- 2x Rune of Stone
Thane [138 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Crossbow
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- On foot
- Master Rune of Bursting Flame
- Rune of Accuracy
- Rune of Rapid Fire
Runesmith [70 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
Runesmith [70 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
Engineer [192 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- Great weapon
- Handgun
- Battle Standard Bearer [Master Rune of Grungni + Rune of Battle]
Engineer Sapper [123 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- Handgun
- Master Rune of Gromril
19 Thunderers [238 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Handguns
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Expeditionary Marksmen
- Veteran (champion) [Handgun]
- Standard bearer
18 Rangers [245 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Crossbows
- Throwing axes
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Ol' Deadeye (champion) [Brace of pistols]
Dwarf Cart [65 pts]
- Bugman's Cart
1 Scout Gyrocopters [60 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Clatterguns
- Heavy armour
1 Scout Gyrocopters [60 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Clatterguns
- Heavy armour
21 Miners [357 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Great weapons
- Heavy armour
- Blasting Charges
- Prospector (champion) [Steam drill]
- Standard bearer [Rune of Battle]
- Musician
Cannon [100 pts]

>>96527859
I think what bugs me most, other than the weird "partly smooth and extremely well-made and partly even shittier than Blorcs" look, is the fact they they clearly understand how mail works, and yet don't fucking wear it under their plate, it's just dangling there uselessly as a decoration. I don't mind the spears or shields as much, I just think the armor itself looks inconsistent and shit. Would use one of the bevored heads for Blorc kitbash material for a unit champion or musician, otherwise it's shit.

>>96527703
They can work okay as black orcs with some heavy kitbashes
This guy managed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9SCgr6MMo

>>96527883
Just compare the arms to the legs and you'll see what I mean. Leg armor is extremely well articulated and carefully formed, the arms are large, perfectly smooth plates but with shit coverage compared to the greaves, and then their weird pauldrons look like a cauldron split in half. The fuck?

>>96527872
The leaker said nothing of the sort, he only said they're losing leadbelchers, likely replaced by hunters.

"All the asian imagery" is just some moustaches here and there.

>>96527406
I had a few small gaps, but nothing major. It helped a little that I used a fine hobby knife to whittle down the leftover connection points. Took a bit of time but it was worth it.

>>96527648
First of all, god I wish: I love tall women but being six foot three I rarely, if ever see a woman who I have to look up at.
Second of all, that's a low angle perspective. Please exercise your object permeance ability, anon-kun.

>>96526974
>What if you were one of the people who liked the landmarines
Then you got exactly what you deserved for being a SM fan, but somehow even gayer.

Which edition of WHFB was the best for narrative battles?

>>96527883
the old black orc kit (which were ardboys before the refresh) also has the mail dangling between their legs to be fair

>>96528036
it's not the ruleset that does the narrative, it's the players

>>96528036
Mordheim

>>96528047
But also This.

>>96528036
People don’t do narrative games
They don’t know how
The people that think they do, don’t.

>>96528036
4/5e

>>96528086
Okay nevermind this anon knows

>>96528047
>>96528063
>>96528063
Ok but there are games that explicitly help the player, and those against which you have to struggle, to achieve a narrative game. Looking for a battle game, rather than Mordheim.

>>96528047
Agreed, even if it's a casual game you can still come up with fun stories on how or why the armies battle and to imagine how certain events were portrayed beyond the rolling of dice.
Here are some I've written for some games I played with friends.

>>96528040
>mail dangling between their legs
That's a mail skirt. That's functional. These faggots have it hanging off of their elbows for no reason

>>96527979
Shes on a 60mm base bro. Shes one big bitch.

>>96528167
Nah, chinksects are just that small. She's 5'1 canonically.

>>96528167
>Shugengan are almost as tall as her
So Shugengan are like 9 feet tall?

im painting orcs soon and im thinking of a dark yellow and red color scheme for their armor and banners, does anyone have some examples of alternate colors schemes? seems like every orc i see is black armor/leather and red.

>>96528261
>seems like every orc i see is black armor/leather and red
Because those colors have better contrast with green. Go for a rusty orange instead of piss yellow

>>96526374
As someone who's migrating over to TOW, like 80% of the appeal is having customization options. I like having weapon choices and fun little magic items I can give to dudes and model on.

>>96525698
That or orcs and goblins since there's a similar mix of troops in there

>>96528036
That depends on what you want your narrative to be
>beastmen jump from the woods, there objective is to burn down a windmill before advancing on the town and and raping the burgermeister to death
>a small contigent of empire troops must save the burgermeisters anus from the BBC (big beastman cock)
6th
>A mighty artifact of doom has been discovered, vast armies led by immensly powerful sorcerers converge and do battle to try and take control of it
8th (+ storm of magic maybe)

>>96528222
They're DBZ characters. So no they're probably über wo/manlets.

>>96527099
Where's the guy with the binoculars from?
Specifically where's the binocular holding arm from?
it's the first time I see it and now I NEED it for a conversion I'm working on for a dwarf quarreler.

Alternatively, where else could I find hands holding binoculars?

||Also your models look great!||

>The sorcerers who rule the Chaos Dwarfs trust the Bull Centaur for although they are intelligent and ferocious and some are mighty warriors, none of their kind are magic users.
Realistically, would anyone give me shit if I ignored this lore bit and made a big sorcerous bull centaur to count as a daemonsmith on lammasu? It would be a much easier conversion than teaching myself how to sculpt that big ass head.

>>96525232 (OP)
>what matchup would you find most difficult to imagine in-lore?
Lizardmen vs Kislev. I just can't imagine the reason why both would enter into conflict, mainly due to their geographic positions.

>>96529777
nah, you're good, exceptions can exist just fine, you could also try to rationalise the thing during the conversion, maybe it's got an ugly suture seam at the waist because it's not a mutant but some freakish experiment, maybe it's holding an unholy glowing rock in his hand because he only gets his magical powers by consuming petrified sorcerers, maybe he was a prophesied birth and somewhere there's a dude with a tablet showing the prophecy, with the taurus having grown and posed as a very arrogant and prideful being

>>96529912
>A Slaan wakes up from his nap and decrees that they need to raze a Kislev town to complete the Great Plan. With a wave of his hand he opens up a portal from Lustria to Kislev as the Lizardmen warriors pour out of and in response the people of Kislev muster a defense

There, it's not hard, we can also do the other way around.
>A kislev noble has pulled some strings to go on a great adventure with a personal force down to Lustria to search for treasure and glory. As they make landfall and construct a basic settlement they are beset by the lizardmen for intruding on their land.

You just have to be creative.

just a quick question. does this pic look like it was touched up by AI?

>>96529723
It's the engineer from the Helblaster / Helstorm box.
https://www.warhammer.com/en-EU/shop/empire-of-man-helblaster-volley-gun-and-helstorm-rocket-battery-2025?srsltid=AfmBOoopPsBBKb4AhDaAgYdhY4dlw3D-2_nyydZeBCNxqqXK4U4A3G_u

>>96529951
It can happen, it's just far-fetched. Why is Kislev part of the Great Plan? They're actively some of the best warriors against Chaos. How many Kislev nobles want to adventure in Lustria? Seems like such a small number that it's likely seldom.

>>96529931
Good ideas; I'll keep them in mind. Thanks!

>>96529912
Lizardmen you can always rationalize as fighting everyone because of great plan bullshit, it's not very unique but it gets the job done. You could play around with it a bit, a daemon changed the appearance of a few plaques to trick them into fighting order faction x or whatever. Tomb kings are hardest imo because those boners have no reason to be anywhere but khremi and its surrounding area.
>>96530117
The face in front of the legs has kind of an odd blur but I certainly wouldn't think twice about this image normally

>>96530517
>Tomb kings are hardest imo because those boners have no reason to be anywhere but khremi and its surrounding area

Who stole my (any kind of treasure) while I slept! I must search far and wide for it!
Keep in mind that Settra sailed all the way up to Norsca to get his crown back.
You could also have some honorable Tomb King who let's say made friends with an empire general's great-great-great-grandfather and in a dire time of need he comes to honor a pact made in ages past.

>>96525349
I had a game where we had to roll who would be on the board on the first turn, I don't remember the scenario. My level 4 wizard made it on, his did not. Even though his wizard was on the board turn 2 mine locked his big deathball cavalry unit out of the game using collumn of crystal and miasmic mirage. Magic is absolutely impactful, with the caveat that it's a dice game and sometimes you just whiff. Play more games and don't be afraid to experiment with different schools of magic.

Anyway, here's the orc warboss on wyvern I'm working on.

>>96530164
Thank you! Now to find someone who has that bit and is willing to swap/trade it with me for some other bits

>>96530664
I am thinking of O&G. How is orc infantry at the moment? Are they mainly attrition based or can they kill? Mainly thinkong orc boyz

>>96530517
>Tomb kings are hardest imo because those boners have no reason to be anywhere but khremi and its surrounding area.

THE WORLD BELONGS TO SETTRA

>>96530517
Tomb kings are the 5th easiest race to see anywhere.
Greenskins are literally global, even in the wood elf and high elf lands.
Beastmen are the same (maybe not high elf?)
Skaven
Ogres - cause they are actually migratory, so they could show up anywhere, and are known for being mercenaries to anyone.
Then tomb kings and chaos warriors about equally likely. Tomb kings could just as simply be looking for a summer home, to settle an ancient grudge, build new trade routes (some tomb kings have living citizens), source the best metals, get warp stone, or just pure boredom travel. Ennui is a very real issue with tomb kings compared to the other races.
Chaos is just because fuck everyone else.

>>96527137
>Dunno id have to see it painted first,
You DO have painted models right anon?

>>96530117
Kind of, but it's possible that it's from the scanning process instead.

Thoughts on this list? Frankly I am new to the gaming side of things and have really only been into painting miniatures, so any feedback would be appreciated. Not looking to be ultra competitive, more to build a decent list that can help me learn the game mechanics and have fun with.

++ Characters [495 pts] ++
Sorcerer-Prophet [375 pts]
(Darkforged weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 4 Wizard], General, Lammasu [Sorcerous Exhalation], Mantle of Stone, Elementalism)

Daemonsmith Sorcerer [120 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], On foot, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Daemonology)

++ Core Units [509 pts] ++
14 Infernal Guard [230 pts]
(Hailshot blunderbuss, Heavy armour, Deathmask (champion))

14 Infernal Guard [172 pts]
(Hand weapons, Heavy armour, Deathmask (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [107 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shortbows, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

++ Special Units [495 pts] ++
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)

Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)

Iron Daemon [275 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons)

3 K'daai Fireborn [130 pts]
(Hand weapons, Manburner (champion))

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[https://old-world-builder.com]

>>96532212
Looks decent, though I have not played old world dorfs or against them. I want to see how Infernal guard play. Found a good chorf recaster so want to build some soon.
>Created with "Old World Builder"
whenever I see that in quotes in reminds me of that edit with the girl from the adam sandler dracula movie where she says
>i am "lesbo"

>>96527225
Hell yeah!

>>96530856
I don't have much experience with orc boys, but O&G have some great melee unit options. I mainly use night goblins and black orcs, and they can be pretty resilient and output a lot of damage when they get into a scrap. I do have 50 boys I have to get around to painting, planning to run a big deathstar of biguns at some point. I really love the army as a hobby project, every time I work on another army now I wish I was painting orcs and inevitably return to them.

>>96532212
Seems okay but I'd really have to see them painted first.

You DO own painted models don't you?

>get some harpy 3d prints
>they look great with only their wings and legs. Unsure if I really should give them arms
Definitely getting multibased though.

>>96528527
Ill do a test and post pics

Newbie GM here, playing WFRP with my newbie friends who are discovering Warhammer.

We're having a blast, loads of fun.

Just one question as a GM, do you guys let the player know the statblocks and Wounds of foes during a fight?

So far I've tried to keep it a secret to not make it too numbers focused and keep the mystery, like "oh you've wounded the goblin in the arm, but he's still well alive" rather than "he loses 4 wounds, he still has 8 left" if that makes sense.

>>96532752
I've never done WFRP but I've run DnD, Shadowrun, Ryuutama and a bunch of others and I never ever talk about hit points in narrative that shits lame.

My players need to know how much damage they take for their charsheet but never discussed in narrative

Don't mind me with a drive-by question but, hypothetically, if I wanted to start an army, Tomb Kings, and I bought the starter box but wanted to round it out, how should I do it?
I literally do not know the rules but a coworker plays 40k so we talk about Warhammer.
All I know is that there's some sort of thing where you can do Mortuary Cult or Royal Host and then saw a post mentioning "Grand Army". I'm guessing that means you just bring whatever unit you want but you don't get the bonuses of the other army rules.

Anyway, what I'm aiming for is hordes of skeletons so I don't know if Mortuary Cult for the ARISE! is better or if Royal Host gives bonuses to regular skeleton warriors and archers.
I wanna bog down the enemy in Skeleton Spearmen and shoot them to death and run them over. 2 screaming skull catapults.

>>96532212
Looks good but I would look into the getting a khan at some point or a bsb with an overseer sigil.
Hobgoblins are awesome for their price

>>96533020
Get chariots.

>>96533034
I suppose that makes sense.
I really want to lean into their strengths and while I never use chariots in Total War, it seems like they're what makes TK, TK.
I suppose that means Settra as well.

>>96532936
Aight that makes sense, I'll keep doing as I usually do then. I'm in the process of learning how to use Foundry so that we can play online, I suspect this will amle things easier.

>>96530517
>he face in front of the legs has kind of an odd blur
You are somewhat correct. I tried to match the old wiki page, and though that face on the original pics are not good quality as well, I did nothing to improve its detail.
>>96532080
It's in a small part due to scanning, imo.
I'll tell my process: I used picrel for starters, cleared the junk around it, and fully desaturated it. Then I up-scaled it, as well as the same (smaller) pic that's on the wiki, and tried to superimpose them; trying to match them in terms of position and in the tones of B&W.
In the end, I uploaded the end result on the wiki, replacing the older version.

>>96533020
Mortuary Cult and Royal Host are different configurations of the army that allows you to take more or less of specific units and give them unique rules.

Mortuary Cult is themed around the priests (spell casting) and constructs whereas Royal Host is themed around chariots.

I would suggest getting ushabtis and a scorpion. Those two units are always going to be good no matter what type of army build you'll end up wanting to play or not.
From there it would depend on what you want to play but some characters like a priest, a necrotect and an army's battle standard bearer would probably be safe bets.

>Moving house last night
>Bringing my warhammer collection alongside all my other possessions
>My Fimir were in there, some original stock and also the Forgeworld guys
>Old shit car, an electrical fire happens that engulfs the whole car interior
>I managed to get out completely fine, but all my possessions are gone
>most of the restl I can replace on insurance, but man those Fimir had been with me for years
>Even if I managed to replace them through insurance (which I won’t) it just won’t be the same

Good night, sweet princes.


>Pic related, one of the ones I had stripped and repainted, not got one of him finished alas.

>>96533246
Forgot to attach pic fs

>>96533250
>>96533246

I'm so sorry bro that's heartbreaking.

>>96533246
That fucking sucks anon I'm sorry. At least you're okay though.

>>96533020
https://old-world-builder.com/

>>96533246
>>96533250
Devastating to see a Fimirchad go through this. Are you done with warhams now or will you build some new doods?

>>96533246
Glad you are safe anon, sorry about the Fimir.

Trying to find where in the rules it establishes that every crew on a model like a chariot or the arachnarok spider howdah can fire a ranged weapon each and bypass the normal restriction on a model only being able to fire one ranged weapon each time, and I'm not finding it

>>96533348
>>96533469
Thanks for the well wishes guys, I appreciate it.

>>96533465
I’ve got some Ogre Kingdoms I think for now I’ll get an insurance payout for however much and just wait til whenever they inevitably bring back the forge world fimir for TOW. Just I highly doubt they’ll re-release the 3rd edition fimir models so those are gonna be unlikely to replace.

>>96533496
split profile establishes that each crew member is a model of its own

>>96533246
Time to get one (1) new fimir and paint him as a survivor, scarred by burns, seeking vengeance

>tfw just want to play cozy little battles on my 4x4 table at home

is 3rd edition a good option? all I hear about it is that it's basically a large skirmish game, but everyone is in rank and flank formations

>>96532669
Not for the chorfs no, because I'm waiting on the new ones for conversions. Going to kitbash them with the bloodbowl ones to make more classic style bighats.

>>96527102
>>96527099
Nice! Thats some smooth painting

>>96532212
The only thing I want to weigh in on are the k'daai because they are 1. not a very good unit 2. not very good models
Unless you really like the models and want to paint them specifically (or have a good proxy in mind) I'd reconsider those

>>96532752
Like the other reply said, don't tell them the straight wound count for enemies at all. If you want to be descriptive, a term my group uses to let the players know you're really fucking up an enemy is that you've "bloodied the enemy" as a way of saying that the characters are knowledgeable enough to recognize the point where they've done significant damage to something. Or an out of character way to say something is roughly at half wounds and starting to be seriously hurt. Otherwise go ham with describing how they've cut into the foe, pelted them with arrows, the whole deal. You can sell the brutal nature of combat that way, especially when it inevitably gets turned on them.

>>96534270
Tbh I like the models lol. Is there something that gameplay-wise would make it more well-rounded, say, some cav in the form of hobgoblin wolf riders or bull centaur renders? (Probs drop a bolt thrower to fit the centaurs in?)

>>96533246
That sucks ass
My condolences

>>96533246
Fucking horror story, dude

Can this guy still wreck a unit of troops?

>D3 impact hits Str6 AP -2
>7 attacks on charge

Even if challenged, likely to cause 5-6 wounds and -2 wounds on instability. But does this work out in practice?

>>96534481
>>96534270
k'daai in renegade are perfectly playable.

>>96534829
I only ever played once against demons, this guy beeline my frontline, got screamed at twice by my mortis and my banshee and then lost his remaining wound on a failed roll of dangerous terrain (my vortex) on his first charge.

He's probably playable but large target with only 6 wounds, 5+ armour 5+ invul sounds like he's in big trouble against any kind of shooting. That being said, he's also fly 10 so there's some possibility to play around terrain and wait a bit until your other units can tie up ranged units before you use him.

I guess it really depends on the matchup.

>>96535112
Damn, Undead are strong af. I suppose in the context he actuslly makes it into combat but good to know he is weak to shooting.

>>96535158
Undead are strong but my opponent didn't take any wizard and I took a level 4 and a level 2 so I was free to debuff and buff as much as I wanted. Not taking at least 1 wizard is kind of suicidal.

How come this thread is so quiet compared to the first half of the year? Not that I'm complaining, but I'm wondering what changed.

Retardo-maximo question as I am getting into fantasy for the first time, but I have seen a lot of unit rules from different editions which have things such as "x"+ for unit sizes. Does that mean there is a minimum but no maximum or is there a clarification in other rules beyond unit stat sheets on what the maximum limit is? If it is as written what's the point in running two sets of Grave Guard for instance and not just 50 of the fuckers one brick?

Finished a some more of my gors, still need to paint the rims, but they're pretty much done. Now it's just the rest of them left to do.

>New high rez Cathay scan in the Gofile
Epic, still no scan of the new AJ though?

>>96535565
only in french

>>96535574
Damn, where can I find it?

>>96535586
https://assets.warhammer-community.com/fre_sept25_whtow_dawn_of_the_storm_dragon-uccgsbzbcc-yjs7dgbmgd.pdf

>>96535589
>Just the Cathay rules
I wanted to see the Multiplayer and campaign stuff but thanks anyway. Do the French really get their rules for free on Warhammer Community?

>>96535600
I have absolutely no idea, I only know that the most prolific scanner is french

>>96535606
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/
They do, change the language to French and they're all there in the first section

>>96527137
Not enough skellies. 3x 30 man brick minimum

>>96526309
>has no lore

AoS Read Order:
Warhammer Age of Sigmar - Mighty Battles in an Age of Unending War
The Realmgate Wars: Quest for Ghal Maraz
The Realmgate Wars: Balance of Power
The Realmgate Wars: Godbeasts
The Realmgate Wars: Ironwarp Citadel
The Realmgate Wars: All-Gates
Age of Sigmar Blightwar
Malign Portents
Age of Sigmar Core Book 2nd Edition
Battle of Glymmsforge
Soul Wars: Forbidden Power
Carrion Empire
Looncurse
Feast of Bones
Aether War
Shadow and Pain
Soul Wars: Wrath of the Everchosen
Broken Realms: Morathi
Broken Realms: Teclis
Broken Realms: Be'lakor
Broken Realms: Kragnos
Age of Sigmar Core Book 3rd Edition
War at Amberstone Watch
Season of War - Thondia
Fury of the Deep
Arena of Shades
Echoes of Doom
Arcane Cataclysm
Dawnbringers Book 1 Harbingers
Dawnbringers Book 2 Reign of the Brute
Dawnbringers Book 3 The Long Hunt
Dawnbringers Book 4 The Mad King Rises
Dawnbringers Book 5 Shadow of the Crone
Dawnbringers Book 6 Hounds of Chaos
Warhammer Underworlds: Embergard
Age of Sigmar Core Book 4th Edition
Assault On Hel’s Claw
Path to Glory: Ravaged Coast

>>96535950
Please man do not make posts like this
And this is coming from someone who plays both games
Don't talk about AoS in /wfg/ and don't talk about TOW in /aosg/

>>96535467
Looking good bro.
As a fellow beastchad I salute you.

Gor in the far left front rank looks buck wild

>>96535950
Have you actually read all of this cynical schlock? Give it an honest rating out of 10

>>96536143
>Have you actually read all of this cynical schlock?
I have! And greatly enjoyed it.

>Give it an honest rating out of 10
The writing goes down hill after Broken Realms Kragnos, with Broken Realms Morathi being the absolute peak of AoS imo, with 3rd being quite "meh" in terms of lore and plot.
The Dawnbringers stuff in particular is fucking awful until book 6 which reaches the amazing heights of almost OK. However, the 4th edition stuff is actually amazing.
I'm loving the current lore direction, the plot developments and it's actually got me liking Skaven which has never happened before. I'm very invested and can't wait to see where the lore goes.

1st ed lore - 7/10 good fantasy but hardly breath-taking

2nd ed lore - 9/10 some of the best fantasy I've had the pleasure of reading and it was genuinely a blast to see Morathi ascend, the siege of the Eightpoints by the Bonereapers, the ending of the Soul Wars by Teclis and Alarielle and so on.

3rd - 5/10 just dull, with no interesting lore developments and boring characters being introduced.

4th - 8/10 AoS is climbing out of the pit that was 3rd, the lore is advancing in great ways, the map is being literally redrawn and there's actual stakes again with whole Cities of Sigmar being lost. It's still ongoing but I'm loving everything thus far.

working on tomb guard

>>96536307
Nice highlights on the red and blue bits.

>>96536318
Thank you anon! These guys are a lot of fun to paint

>>96535185
Still, from a statistical standpoint, can the BT smash an infantry block? Cause I am considering a DoC army just to shoot him at units.

>>96536213
>whole Cities of Sigmar being lost
When you have ill-defined, effectively infinite 40k-ified "realms" this hardly matters, while Praag or Altdorf being destroyed would be a huge deal.

>>96536442
Nah, the loss of Phoenicium for example was a pretty major one. The annexing of Anvilgard and founding of Har Kuron was super important, the Siege of Excelsis was a pivotal moment in the lore. Embergard is basically all that stands between the Skaven and total victory etc.
There's locations just as important and well established in AoS as there are in WFB.

>>96536442
From what I understand of aos there's like 15 cities of sigma that actually matter and they already blew up 3 over the course of 4 editions.
Altdorf and praag and whatever being so important was nice, but it also introduced an opposite problem where, because the stakes were so high things looped back around again to there being no stakes because the locations were so important you knew nothing was ever going to happen to them. (Well except for praag since it's like the designated sacking city of the old world). This isn't really a problem if the world is a static setting, but whenever gw tried to move some things forwards nothing ever really happened. Tamurkhan had this whole journey over a book and then promptly got btfo when he threatened the first location of note he came across in nuln.

>>96536539
>From what I understand of aos there's like 15 cities of sigma that actually matter and they already blew up 3 over the course of 4 editions.
This is current. There's 11 major cities, the only real bastions of hope and order in the Chaos infested Realms, and they've lost 3, with Embergard likely to be the 4th but it's only just clinging on to life.

>>96536539
'Moving the setting forward' literally never works. Either nothing happens or you destroy something people quite liked.

Filling in the background is a far superior approach. Mordheim can be destroyed without removing Bechafen (admittedly no one cares about Bechafen). Borders can change as much as you like. The Old World is probably the ideal case actually. I particularly like the way they've expanded Kislev's borders all the way to Cathay, allowing the Great War to truly fuck Kislev up.

>>96536434
The math isn't hard to do, on regular infantry with light armor and shield that's slightly more than 6 wounds inflicted and like half a wound taken, which means a block of infantry without horde or a magical banner or a bsb would lose by like 0.5-0.7 wounds on average or something like that.

Needless to say you're taking chances. Having first charge is really important when you want to smash infantry nowadays. But I guess you could easily get some furies to charge with him, that'd be enough to win almost every time.

>>96536627
Thanks, so he still has the edge. Plus impact hits too for good measure and if lucky, a terror test.

My only other question is: Transport. How are you supposed to reasonably bring a Bloodthirster along with that wing span? Hell, I habe considered getting the mega old RoC BT.

Pic related. Seems like I could put him woththe rest of my army.

>>96536736
The impact hits were taken into account. I transport my entire magnetized army into pic related. 2000+ points including mass infantry and big monsters like dragons easily fit into it.

>>96536762
What brand?

>magnetised

O boi

>>96536844
it's just a steel box my man I have no idea what brand it is

>>96535285
Rumors, news releases, and news were ongoing in the first half the year. Now there's nothing beyond an arcane journal that's already been talked about at length to come out sometime in the next few months with nothing about anything else criculating.

>>96535285
End of summer too. I'd say a fairly large percentage of the people who both play and post here are in college or uni.

>>96536877
Ah yes, the good ol method. Thanks man. I think I might buy one of the 80s bloodthirster. Make life so much easier.

>>96533020
>>96533042
Let's say I do take Settra and do a Royal Host army...
This is probably a stupid question, but is Settra really better than several tomb kings and princes on chariots? That's a quarter of my points on naked Settra.
I'm just playing around in the builder and I want more models than a single unit of skeleton spearmen and archers and then this or that.
Knowing nothing about the game it's probably worthless to have 3 units of 20 skellies rather than digging deep and equipping units for the right job.

>>96538067
That said as I've been reading and watching a video I'm probably not going to do Royal Host.
I DO want to play with their cool monsters and magic.

>>96538067
Settra isn't played at all competitively and is known to be meh for his point cost. I have no idea if he's playable in normal club games though, I don't know his stats and have never faced him.
As for equipment it depends too much on your strategy and army as a whole to be specific. Sometime you want cheap infantry units as your anvil/turn wasters and sometime you want a buffed expensive infantry unit (equipment+spells enchantments+characters inside) as your hammer and/or your anvil. It depends entirely on what you bring with it. I doubt you'll need more skeletons than what's in the starter box though

>>96535435
>Does that mean there is a minimum but no maximum or is there a clarification in other rules beyond unit stat sheets on what the maximum limit is? If it is as written what's the point in running two sets of Grave Guard for instance and not just 50 of the fuckers one brick?
Yes, you're right. And the point would be maneuverability and not getting overwhelmed. Big units have larger width and therefore wheeling cost more points and you'll get fucked by terrain more easily and you'll get charged by multiple units at the same time.

That being said it's very strong as VC to get one big unit (up to 30) of grave guards with drilled because you put a bsb with helm of commandment in there, give the grave guard the drakenhof banner and use drill to make them really maneuverable (especially with reserve move) and you got a very scary blender.

i love these guys. i tried painting without shade, what do you think?

>>96538599
>Big units have larger width and therefore wheeling cost more points and you'll get fucked by terrain more easily and you'll get charged by multiple units at the same time.
Ok that does make a lot more sense practical sense from that angle. It seems like a very organic way to balance units naturally away from heavy skew

are fimir just the GW way of portraying the irish?

What Dwarfish Karak/group do you you like the most?

>>96539439
Dunno, I am a LITTLE uninformed about the Dwarf holds, give me SHORT rundown, as to not STUNT my knowledge about them.

>>96539439
the only 4 groups I recognise are the archetypal best of the best karak, the norse dwarfs, the slayer keep, and the cogfoppery port.

I have genuinely no idea about the rest.

>>96539326
Really clean and crisp.
While it's not anything mind blowing I bet it reads from tabletop distance really well while still holding enough detail to be interesting up close.

Good job anon

>>96539453
You despicable ELGI don't even deserve a proper answer to your comment, which will go straight to my book!

>>96539477
Worry not umgi, I'll teach you the names of the banners. (larp aside the images belong to the Total Warhammer ganes, most being based on the armybook flags)
These are (from left to right):

>Dwarfs (Karaz-a-Karak)
>The Ancestral Throng (Grombrindal)
>Karak Kadrin
>Clan Angrund
>Ironbrow's Expedition
>Karaz-a-Karak Expedition (alternate banner for K-a-K)
>Karak Azorn
>Karak Azul
>Karak Izor
>Zhufbar
>Kraka Drak
>Karak Norn
>Clan Helhein (from Karak Ekrund)
>Karak Hirn
>Karak Ziflin
>Masters of Innovation (Malakai Makaisson)
>Spine of Sotek Dwarfs (from the Mine of the Bearded Skulls; Lustria)
>Barak Varr
>Greybeard's Prospectors (group of miners in the Atalan Mountains)
>Karak Zorn
>Dwarf Rebels

>>96539439
The one I created myself.

>>96536942
That's true, but even before cathay and summer I feel like this thread was faster than now. What was even happening in the beginning of the year, high elf dripfeeding and cathay rumours?
Then cathay dropped and we had 2 months of shitflinging, and then around june it started being quieter again.
Again, not conplaining, this is certainly more comfy than all the retarded cathay arguing all the time.

>>96539439
I kinda like the Lore for Karak Azgaraz that showed up in WFRP and Vermintide

hows my beastmen banner so far

>>96539937
a bit weird, not gonna lie

Could one of these be used as nurgle mount? Or maybe even a tzeentch mount if painted in chromatic style (like a dragonfly)

>>96539937
why is there a dude on the left? or is it some kind of totem? pretty cool i guess

>>96540030
too small for that, those look like the smallest ovals gw makes (65mm or something) and they barely fill them

unless your raider is some kind of silly little thing converted from a night goblin, then for insectoid steeds you should use the rot flies or the sylvaneth cavalry

or move to third party models

>>96540043
What about as a daemonic steed + magic carpet?

>>96540051
I don't think you can combine those two, but the problem remains, it's too small

>>96540030
>>96540043
Other guy is right, too small imo
Now if you put a nurgling on there it becomes pure kino

>>96539618
Kraka drak is the most fun to say "cracka drakk"

>>96536102
Thank you Anon.
Yeah that gor is one of my favorites outside of the command squad alongside the tongue Gor and Gor of war

I HATE PAINTING SKIN I HATE PAINTING SKIN
Seriously, it's so fucking tedious.

>>96540729
Your necharch looks buff as fuck

>>96540737
He'll actually be a blood dragon thrall/squire. The rest of the box are painted as two knights (red armour, silver trim) and an inner circle knight (gold trim).

Upd: painted the armour.

>>96540917
looking good so far anon
I'm guessing the boots or the mace is next?

>>96540917
Still the wrong thread, bud.

>>96540940
Trousers, and then all the leather bits (boots, straps, belt).
>>96541136
Still no models from you, because you either have none or they are so bad you're ashamed of them.

>>96541267
I just don't understand why you're posting AoS updates in the WFB thread.

>>96539439
If that green one in the second row 4th column means my warriors have lightning infused weapons, that.
Or if it's just a permanently storm Karak hold.

>>96541272
If you want to be a massive nitpicking faggot, they would qualify as either warcry or gwsg posting and you would still qualify as mega gay. This kit was never sold under smeg branding.

>>96540917
cool dude, weird face

Prospective Tomb Kings player one more time here:
Am I halucinating or did I see the base set go on sale for $185? I looked again last night and it was $299 and I thought "Shit, I definitely should have gotten that." because I can definitely afford $185 even if I'm not going to be using a lot of those models. Gotta start somewhere.

And
How do I deal with demigryph knights? I watched a video where they melted chariots and necropolis knights and took like no damage.
I know enough from Total War not to charge some of the most elite knights in the world with my own harassing forces but what do I do instead? Form up, stand there, and eat charges correctly since my army is so slow?

>>96541319
Relevance to WFB? Still none. You're as bad as Perryanon.

>>96541344
You were probably looking at the price in UK pounds vs US Dollars
since the Army boxes are £185 on the UK site
However, we are expecting a price in the near future

>>96541362
Ah, tyty for quenching my fomo.

>>96541319
>they would qualify as either warcry or gwsg posting
Then post there.

>>96525232 (OP)
Which Chaos God would produce a mutation with mouthparts like the Bhaal Slayer from BG3?

>>96542530
any of them really

>>96541272
I thought the guy was using them for mordheim desu

>>96542530
Khorne or Tzeentch imo, but really any would be fine

>>96542530
Oddly enough the "tusks" and "mouth spikes", alongside protruding bones, although not identical to those, are rather common among Daemons of Chaos Undivided.

Is this the right place for question about Epic FB?
Anyone plays it? What's your opinion?
Any recommended sources of minis for it?

>>96542893
Warmaster?
It does have a niche following and has a community ruleset called Warmaster Revolution.
they just use STLs for the minis I gues you could buy the new WGA Epic Fantasy models

Didint they supose to add Kislev to old World? Do we have any hints or leak what GW doing with old world now?

>>96543132
Only Aos can have Slavs anon.

>you see these absolute beefcakes ambushing your backline.

How does your General respond?

Do you that if Kislev ever gets released we'll get something interesting like Empire and Bretonnia (units that would look at home in historical games fighting alongside mages and warriors on monstrous mounts) or just some AoS-tier generic fantasy faction as we saw in ToW 3? I want to start playing fantasy but I'm saving my money for their release - if they're something closer to their old Realm of the Ice Queen level lore I'll get them but if they're not I'll probably go with the Empire, Dwarfs or High Elves.

>>96543132
no words on em
maybe they're coming this winter
maybe next summer

>>96543132
delayed due to geopolitics and even then, that's less a leak and more hearsay

>>96543152
First thought, why are these armless failures attacking?
Second thought, why are their horns green?

>>96543140
They added beastmen to aos?

>>96543183
>They're WIP's anon they'll have arms when they actually attack

>They're new to the warherd

>>96543176
>Do you that if Kislev ever gets released we'll get something interesting
It’s possible
>like Empire and Bretonnia
This wouldn’t make them interesting

>>96543176
It will be like cathay, identical to total war designs down to the giant bear made of ice and the bear pulled ice sleds chariots

>>96543195
>This wouldn’t make them interesting
I don't think you know what interesting means then. The contrast of normal men fighting alongside mages and monsters with their steel and gunpowder is what makes WHF interesting, not a horde of not-Sisters of Avelone with their magical glowing ice weapons and ice cats or other generic stuff that would fit in cities of sigmar in AoS.
>>96543206
Hopefully not.

>>96543140
elaborate

>>96543132
>>96543176
The rumours are the initial designs (ones that made it into tww) slipped past the sensitivity gestapo, but were pulled and sent for rework at the last moment because they were full of crude stereotypes (ice and bears shit) and culturally offensive elements (mongolian-ish aesthetics of ice court units are verboten because of tatar yoke inflicted perpetual butthurt). It's extremely likely they'll be very close to the other humans in levels of hisfaggotry and reuse a lot of their old models and fluff.

>>96543152
He screams BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and bolts towards them..

>>96543270
The Tartar/ Steppe tribe's look would be fine if they kept the Ungols as their own culture group in Kislev, but for some reason Gw preferred a split between the Temporal power of the Tsar/The Ice Coat and spiritual power of the Cults like Ursan

>>96543258
He means the werewolf-pires and their associated culture. The guys in fur hats, with skeletons in pointy helmets, zombies in tree bark lapti shoes, and led by a character named Volga.

>>96543294
>He means the werewolf-pires
So the not Gangrel GW made for Cursed City

>>96543291
Aren't Ungols supposed to be Cossacks?
>, but for some reason Gw preferred a split between the Temporal power of the Tsar/The Ice Coat and spiritual power of the Cults like Ursan
God this pissed me off so much. Kislev already came with multiple internal conflicts. Tzarina wanting to control all the spell casters, including ice witches and hedge witches, Ungols vs Gospodars was interesting enough, but then they added literal Rasputin (it was charming when they did it with Joan of Arc, but doing it again is just unoriginal) and creating a church vs witches conflict in a country founded by a witch, where witches are beloved folk heroes.

That's like updating Bretonnia and adding a church of England expy that wants to burn the Damsels on the stake.

>>96543315
Yeah, those guys. Funnily enough, this guy in your pic doesn't look slavic at all, instead his look is made of distilled alchemical essence of some chechen or dagestani's mary sue fantasy.

>>96543326
No, ungols are supposed to be volga and crimea tatars who got subjugated by the slavs. Maybe some kalmyk influence as well because horse archers.

>>96543326
Ungols are their own Ethnicity, which I don't think applies to Cossacks, but I could be wrong about that.
Don't forget that Kislev also has the Roppsman, which is another Ethnic ministry that gets forgotten about

>>96543338
>this guy in your pic doesn't look slavic at all, instead his look is made of distilled alchemical essence of some chechen or dagestani's mary sue fantasy.
That does kinda work for the character though, since he basically came into the city via blackmailing the original rulers and taking over when they started to rebel, so he is a foreigner to Cursed City and not a Local.

>>96543176
I don't like that shit too, but I think if the army releases it will have enough units to just ignore the more excessive stuff. And if the basic infantry doesn't look "normal" enough, there are STLs and 3rd party companies that will provide better alternatives.

pic unrelated

>>96543176
>generic aos fantasy as we saw in ToW 3
The of World 3?
Anyway I don't really get the aos is generic argument. There's many things to critize shitmar for but 'generic' is the last one I'd use, honestly it would probably help them to be more generic from time to time.
>>96543190
kek

>>96543190
Pyhmyin

>>96543478
/v/ fags take their opinions from youtube instead of forming them based on evidance, so when you ask them to jsutify their imposed position about a topic they actually never heard about they use random word generators

>>96541960
Nah, those threads suck and I like it here.

>>96543692
>Filthy roundie
I bet you don't even bench

>>96536307
finished the leftmost dude

Da Greenbones are almost done

>>96544409
your orcs are looking extremely hungry, you need to be a better warboss

>>96543176
What I want to see is the Kislev version of the USSR suspected criminal sketches organized by ethnicity

>Be British
>"Leesh Priest"

>>96544409
Love this!

>>96542922
WARMASTER

>>96543193
Ha!
You should have given one slippers, being a tender foot and all...

>>96543248
Glorious Kislev!

>>96545343
The logistics of attacking a muddy shore cliff thing from canoes and rowboats makes me sick. In freezing weather no less.
How many men died in such useless situations fueled by some kind of hatred? All for some dirt. Their families were at home. Their cities a hundred miles away. God help us.

>>96545377
According to the historical data, The Russians lost 107 men out of 1100,-1200

>>96545419
"Not bad." sitting from the command chair a letter and a horse ride away.
I don't know why this particular painting is making me think these things.
Maybe just being exposed in a fucking rowboat attacking a coast, which is probably the worst form of assault, even over attacking walls if I had to guess.

Do you think chaos dwarfs are possible for a release in TOW after Cathay and Kislev?

>>96545555
I don’t think they have any of their resin moulds.
They have bigger things to worry about anyway.

>>96545564
I more meant a plastics range.

All of the new armies are to the East, and the land of the chaos dwarfs would be closer to The Old World than Cathay

>>96545583
We’re not even in Cathay rn. Cathay’s in the empire.

>>96545597
>foreign army can just show up on the Empire's doorstep and no one lifts a finger
daily reminder that the Empire is cucked beyond measure

>>96539439
Karak Kadrin is the only one that isn't gay and Jewish

>>96539408
Yes. They also take their name from the Mabinogion

>>96545555
nope, chorfs are an AOS army now

Not going to lie, she looks like a magic card more than a Warhammer character

>>96543152
>Countercharge Swiftstrides unit into ground beef with 5 of his bros
Lol. Lmao. If you ambush my archers I'm in much more trouble

>>96545667
Yeah idk. Cathay’s just weird.

>>96545685
It is an issue that fantasy is as old as it is, since everything was designed with the old proportions of models in mind.

I think her tunic? and the cape needs to be wider on the shoulders, and her horns should be longer too

>>96525232 (OP)
I have an idea for a proxy that I wanna run by y'all.
I want a unit that can proxy as both a Steam Tank and a War Wagon for Marienburg, with the bottom half being a system of wood wheels reinforced by metal bands attached to a steam powered motive system, under an octagonal metal skirt. There would be two top halves to switch between: one would be a howdah style octogonal platform with a tall chimney in the middle, crewed by men armed with handguns and operating deck cannons, and the other would be an octogonal canopy that would terminate into a turret with a cannon on one side of it and a steam gun on the other side, with a chimney sprouting out of the middle of the turret.
Would this be an acceptable proxy?

>>96545657
Okay, and empire is now cities of sigmar
And space marines, imperial guard and ad mech are in both horus heresy and 40k
Not a very good argument

>>96545714
Why don't you draw it instead of us labouring under puzzle of that long as description

>>96544972
I'm Russian and my brother looks exactly like the Russian sketch, makes me kek every time I see this

>>96545714
I'll accept it

>>96527137
Only your hierophant king can be a lvl1 wizard.

>>96545723
And Gloomspite Gitz are an AoS faction and apart from the single night goblin plastic kit and metal bosses and shaman none of the other models are available for TOW and you have to buy AoS boxes to play Night Goblins with official models.

>>96545555
not as a plastic army
best case scenario they return some forge world models as mercenary units for warriors of chaos

>>96545761
What are you talking about?

You can literally buy the older edition night goblins right now for Old World

>>96545998
Show us the Old World boxes for mangler squigs, squig herds, squig hoppers, netters and fanatics.

>>96545714
how about you just get a von zeppel

>>96546023
nobody plays orcs and goblins for the goblns anyways

>>96546027
Night Goblins are literally the most popular way to play O&G

>>96546023
Difference is night goblins are just a component of one army in WFB, whereas they are by and large their own army in AoS, so the latter is obviously going to get more

>>96546115
True enough, but it doesn't change the fact that roughly 50% of the Orcs & Goblins roster is "unavailable" in the TOW range. I only included Night Goblins, I didn't bring up the Arachnorak, goblin spider riders and trolls (only normal trolls are available in metal). I could be missing out some other models as well.

My overall point here is that O&G was released with half their models being "available" and GW has done nothing to fill it up so I have to assume that the intention is to use the AoS range. So there is precedent for GW to release a faction with models in AoS.

>>96545555
It's not impossible.
The Chorfs releasing on AoS makes things more difficult, but if they stick with the Total Warhammer designs (and perhaps lean a bit more to their 4th edition aesthetics) it may be distinct enough to justify a TOW release.

>>96525232 (OP)
>>TOW:
>https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
dawn of the storm dragon in op now

>>96546223
neat thanks

>>96546187
>Let's make a shit redesign for a fan favorite and put it in our dying game
This company is run by people with pubic lice for brains

>>96546495
>dying game
you should worry about your own brains first lmao

>>96539439
I really like writing Norndwarfs. Incredibly greedy and grubbing over every single hill and stone across the Wissenland border.

James Double-Jew.... if you can hear me.... new Free Company Milita box. If you can hear me.... NEW MILITA BOX.

>>96546567
you don't know what you're asking for

>>96546567
It's a plastic kit, so I don't think they will make a new one, I would expect shit like Forsaken or Slayers getting a new kit first

>>96546567
It will be half girlboss women and they will all have those abysmal half-shaved haircuts

>>96546577
forsaken were a plastic kit too

they're just inexplicably not getting produced for some reason

>>96546593
which does suggest we might get an update on them since I think, unlike O&G there isn't a AoS equivalent being sold for those models

>>96546604
>which does suggest we might get an update on them
it never worked that way though

>>96546495
>fan favourite
Nobody gave a shit about chorfs until they got squatted
Happens surprisingly often with gw customers for some reason

>>96546223
Map.
I think some settlements were only mentionned in RPG before that no ? Like the Castle Desfleuve (named "Desflueve" here)

>>96546268
>>96546273
im mixed on the art here.

A nice classic-looking WoC Hero for Warhammer Day

>>96546843
This I can like, but that helmet is doing some real heavy lifting here

>>96546839
Hey that's pretty badass looking

>>96546772
We probably should compare it a Mad Alfred map to see if they are still taking all the towns from that

>>96546843
Is the Empire guy based on a specific model?

>>96546223
>even fewer passages portraying Cathay as bad or at least grey than in the AJ
by fewer I mean literally zero

>>96546839
I don't like him as a Fantasy model. Ranking him up will be a pain in the ass and there's nothing classic about him. He'll look out of place next to the 2004 chaos warriors (though in all fairness GW never made a character model that really fit in with those specific warriors, every lord/hero you place next to them will look wrong, to me at least) and he certainly won't fit in with the 1997 chaos warriors either. He, along with the special chaos sorcerer they made recently, was designed with AoS' chaos "look" in mind, just look at his shield for proof. However, I like the pose, his sword, his helmet (though they really should have left his eye slit black instead of detailing and halfway painting it), and his cloak from a purely aesthetic point of view. Fine for a display piece, not good at all for a gaming piece. Also, I don't like the tactical rock. They need to stop doing that.

>>96539439
I have several favourites, though they have something in common; they all have little fluff and potential to be enriched.
One is Prince Ulther and his Dragon Company. Ulther being the heir of the lost hold Karak Ungor.
Another favourite is picrel, which was only mentioned on The General's Compendium website.

>>96546583
I wouldn't mind that at all honestly.
>>96546577
A milita box would literally cause people to buy more of the other Empire kits to spruce up and kitbash. It is honestly an untapped goldmine for both 40k and Fantasy.

Post your homemade maps. Provinces, towns, villages, battlemaps. I'm looking to get inspired beyond those MadAlfred fingerpainted ones, even if they're sovlful.

>>96547203
That supposes the current sculptor would make a new Miltia kit easily kitbashable, which, given the current GW Sprue design, I somewhat doubt.
GW is not going to a more kitbash-friendly kit than the current FCM kit

>>96547218
A boy can dream. I just can't find a modern equivalent without going over to printed stuff.

are there any youtube channels that make trve narrative batreps for Old World?

>>96547379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK9MWJk0R_8&ab_channel=BigSmallWorlds

>>96547392
>part 136

I've got a lot to catch up on

>>96547217
Here's a map I made for fun in Inkarnate about the largest settlement on the borders of the Hochgran Woodlands where my beastmen reside. Things are subject to change or edits on the map fyi.

>The Grand Village of Rheiden

Rheiden has a population of roughly 1,300 souls. Most are farmers, loggers, or craftsmen, with the rest made up of traders, priests, and wealthier burghers. The village lies upon a major road, frequented by those traveling west to Grenzburg or beyond that onto Wolfenburg at the foot of the Middle Mountains, or else heading north to the Kislevite port of Erengrad.

Its lifeblood is logging and trade, with only a meagre surplus gained from subsistence farming. The village is divided into four main areas: the commoner quarter, the upper and lower burgher quarters, the guard district, and the noble quarter perched on the highest hill overlooking Rheiden.

The settlement is ruled by the Gemeindherr, the village lord. In the year 2276 this office is held by Archibald von Kraftstal, once a boisterous knight of the Empire. Age has not been kind to him: Archibald has grown fat and complacent, ruling from his hilltop manor where he hosts lavish feasts for minor nobles and wealthy merchants from nearby towns.

Beyond him, the most powerful families are the Derevoka and Tredfell, rival logging guilds whose auctions dominate market days. Their wealth and competition fuel much of the village’s intrigue.

In 2270, Rheiden was attacked by the nascent beastmen warherd of the Horned Moon-Kin, who breached the gates and advanced as far as the Adelring's stone walls before being driven off by the town’s handgunners. They left most of Rheiden in flames as they were driven back to the dark forest.

Today, life continues, villagers trade, work, and pray, yet all are watchful of the treeline. The woodcutters of the great families no longer dare venture as deep into the Hochgran as the forest seems darker than before.

>>96548500
Beautiful. Awesome work anon.

Hi /tg/

Realising this is an affordable army to put together as I already got a Daemon Prince and Bloodthirster, how good is this list?

Daemons of Chaos [1489 pts]
Grand Melee

Bloodthirster, Lash of Khorne, General - 370
Daemon Prince, Heavy armour, Fly (9), Daemon of Khorne - 256
11 Chaos Furies, Daemons of Khorne - 154
5 Flesh Hounds of Khorne - 160
14 Bloodletters of Khorne, Bloodreaper (champion), Standard bearer - 210
5 Bloodcrushers of Khorne, Bloodreaper (champion), Standard bearer - 339

>>96549155
>how good is this list?
>Daemons of Chaos
Let me put it this way: whatever list you come up with DoC is extremely good proportional to how much you love the models. Just forget about winning a game, ever. Not even on accident.

>>96549155
It's probably not very good but if you play casually at a club it's playable, especially if you take the option to dispel with the bloodthirster.
I don't think a full khorne army would be very good in general though.
You'll also have to play what we call the renegade pack, which are widely accepted community fixes for legacy factions.

>>96549359
That bad huh?

>>96549386
If I played with the regular? Didn't know it was quite that appalling.

>>96549359
So....if I love the models, DoC are amazing?

>>96549568
It's not that bad, the first anon in exaggerating. Chaos furies, flesh hounds and bloodcrushers are good units. Bloodletters not so much.
The win rate of daemons in tournaments is like 42% and tow players in general are very casual.
It's not a great army but you'll do fine if you understand the game.

Not having magic sucks ass though.

>>96544409
Awesome!
Could you share your weapon recipie please?
Love the rustyness.

>>96549663
Alright then. Just I got a BT and DP. Legit only need 3-4 boxes and I am ready to play. Won't destroy my bank either. Also just want to RIP AND TEAR armies with my BT. Plan is DP and BT just gang up on units and mop up the enemy army a unit at a time.

I'm looking for a second army to start collecting for ToW/FB. Can anons help please?
My first are TK.
Some considerations.
1. Play differently
2. Have old or old-style models that lend themselves to old-style paintjobs. May be alternative sculpts too.