Thread 96724251

Thoughts on Latin American Fantasy? Sadly there is little to none. Only soap operas, political propaganda, narco dramas, romanticization of poverty and third-worldliness

>>96724251 (OP)
Ay caramba, let us eat the tacos!

>>96724251 (OP)
I want to make this guy out of greenstuff now

>>96724251 (OP)
I'd actually like fantasy setting or book or whatever with romanticization of poverty and third-worldliness and some soap operas, politics and narco dramas. Old /tg/ would've done something.

>>96724386
It's El Pombero illustrated by Leonardo Batic, a goblin that dwells in the forests of Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil, protecting animals and allowing people hunt in exchange for tobacco and honey offerings. Also check out Coquena and Ucumar, you're gonna love them.

DUENDE
PUTA DE LA MADRE

>>96724251 (OP)
>Sadly there is little to none

you guys invented magical realism right? i guess co-invented with the russians. did you watch 100 years of solitude on netflix? they also did a pedro paramo adaptation. unfortunately the best known versions of that style are things like the fall, big fish, spirited away. i wouldn't consider stuff like el topo or the holy mountain as LAF.

latin america has always had a richer and deeper appreciation for european culture so it's weird there isn't some type of brazillian or argentinian d&d, i guess the shadow of lovecraft and howard just dominated the nerd space so much that the american pulp became the bedrock from which the tabletop stuff sprung. it might be a translation issue like it was with the 20th century soviets, who were/are undertranslated into english so we dont know much about them. roleplaying always had a tinge of satanism and the occult around it, and maybe during the 50s-90s latin america was too catholic to indulge in that type of overt occultism. early d&d caused a satanic panic in the usa. i know brazillians love heavy metal, but they like metallica, megadeath, iron maiden, slayer. never heard of any local bands (did anyone even listen to sepultura?)

it might be just one of those things. same way don quixote gets ignored by hollywood which is the equivalent of ignoring the arthurian grail cycle lol. the west is myopic and the average person knows more about indian or chinese mythology than anything to do with south of the border.

More /v/-related, but the Knights of Pen and Paper games have a few references to Latin American folklore, since it's made by a Brazillian company.

>>96724510
I feel like pre-Columbian and mesoamerican stuff feels too his own separate thing

>>96724558
I think we made a mistaek with the term "Latin American Fantasy"; Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico can hardly be conflated into a single group, just like you can't combine China, Japan, Korea and Cambodia into "Asian fantasy"; they're all very different. I mean if France and Germany are so different, imagine Mexico and Chile or Uruguay, which havedifferent ethnicities and are on the other side of the globe.

There are a handful of "latin" fantasy RPGs; Argentum Online (an MMO, largely derivative because there wasn't anything Argentinian in it), Nahui Ollin (written by Spaniard Ricard Ibáñez, author of Aquelarre, set during the conquistadors' period), Knights of Pen & Paper, La Vía de las Pukona... none of them really took off

>>96724558
> never heard of any local bands

Check Tuatha de Dannan (incredibly generic name, I know)

Invisible City, on Netflix, is about Brazilian folklore and very good
Sitio do Picapau Amarelo is also about brazilian folklore (with heavy doses of racism and other issues), although made for kids

Besouro, movie, loosely touches on black-latin religions and myths

Macunaima is originally a book and has been adapted to many different media

>>96724251 (OP)
>Latin American Fantasy

>>96724699
Dude the last time I went to Ecuador regular people had little statues of Mayan dudes or whatever in their homes and wear stuff with that weird LatAm pattern on it all the time.
They either identify as Aztec or Spanish, spiritually.

>>96724251 (OP)
>thoughts on this thing?
>there's isn't any of this thing by the way
Shiggy diggy

>>96728303
It's because you went to Ecuador, it's full of indios over there, just like Bolivia and peru, but that doesn't mean that everyone on Latin America is indio as well

>>96724251 (OP)
conquistadores killed most of their records so we have bad notes on all of it. And the Southern Americans took shit notes so we have little of value from them.

>>96728303
Dude you were somewhere even the conquistadors saw as worthless and they were out to rape everything including god.

>>96724251 (OP)
Latin america is in a weird place for that, because when it formed into states it was too to have cool stuff with myths and the like, and before the conquistadors there were a lot of too different cultures than barely had anythign to do with others. So you either make it during/after teh conquista or a weird mix with natives and spaniards and proto latam countries, or ou make a 19th century level tech stuff like Castle of falkstein, but even less appealing.
In my setting I did something like that, because its a magical mediterranean kind of setting (Massive medieterranean, the kind where odysseus could actually get lost for 12 years full of cool islands, monsters and cultures) adding all the cool fantastical islands like Atlantis, Hi brasil, Lyoness, Ys etc, and the altantian are e mix of Toltecs/minoan/tartesian/Assyrian/Vinca/Greece/Puma punku stuff, like a Precursos race, so there is a conection with not-europe, atlantics and the americas (wich aren't all conected/are a broken and its like a very big caribean archipielago) and you had a kind of early euro-conquest iron age level than got cut from not-europe for a few centuries and developed they own stuff (not vikings, Iberians, Celts, Polacs etc) aping all kinds of alt histories.

>>96724251 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96724699
You'd be shocked at how different Arthurian Britain was to its current state (it was more French in fact)

>>96728236
>edgy tolkien contrarianism slop
the guy who made this is decades late to the party

>>9672455
I can only speak from the brazilian POV but historically speaking D&D gained popularity in the US around the same time the country was in absolute shit. We had just gotten out of a military dictatorship that heavily restricted acess to foreign media and inflation was so fucking bad we changed currencies like 3 times in less than a decade. When D&D became popular here we were already zeitgeisted into buying foreign ideas without properly adapting them or changing them in some way.
A lot of the early brazilian modernist movements spun around the idea of cultural anthrophagy or whatever you call it in english. It's the idea that all culture is inevitably somewhat assimilated into another one as they both bend and mash into each other together. Brazilian modernism wasnt supposed to be just a carbon copy of the european version but incorporate elements of brazilian living and culture to it because that's the enviroment artists here lived. It was a time of rapid adaptation and cultural outgrowth based around a latin american cultural heritage that valued its own identity and thought critically of its own culture while still romanticizing it somewhat. Since than foreign forces have tried their absolute fucking hardest to shut that line of thought down completely by just straight up making us consoooooom buttloads of american culture while trying our absolute fucking best to replicate whatever those pigs were doing at the time. We were LITERALLY forced to copy their education system, watch their shows, eat from their brands and so on during the cold war which absolutely killed any sense of patriotic endeavouring. So no, we won't have our own D&D, we will play foreign D&D and fucking enjoy it, we won't even have the grace to name our characters Pedro or Juan we will have to name them Thomas Mcson or Agatha Winston or some shit like that, people willing cuck themselves to the US nowadays and if you claim anything else other than that you will get laughed at.

Oops meant >>96730163 for >>96724558
There's nothing more depressing than being a brazilian who enjoys his own culture, history, nation and folklore. Read O Triste Fim de Policarpio Quaresma.
Brazilian D&D will just be a carbon copy of the american version. So will most fantasy series. Very few people are actually willing to go through and make something with their own culture's diversity and identity these days over here and will activly try their best to scrub most marks of it from their work. It's really fucking cucked and foreigners usually have no idea of this. Im not even a hyper patriot I think this place is depressing but there are strong and innovative things you can do with it that people would just rather sleep on
I don't wanna get political, but there was a massive political rally on our Independence Day this year and people were lifting american flags. Fucking american flags

>>96730184
Just to cap things off another issue is that a lot of nationally centered media tends to be very politically charged, which is a big problem in latin american art in general of just trying to make everything necessarily about socialist politics. I think there's nothing wrong with picking a baroque castle in a capital fantasy city inspired by Ouro Preto and fighting old monsters from native brazilian legends just for the fuck of it, those things are all fucking cool by themselves. Not everything should be about class war or narcotics. Its fine to have your fantasy brown people be based off Guaicurus just because that's cool and rich by itself.

>>96730184
Try being the change you want to see anon

>>96730163
>>96730184
It never surprirse me how powerful the culture of my own country is, all you have said happened teh same and even worse because all our elites are extreme xenophiles, but we still produce our own stuff, in RPGs like Aquelarre and our own spins to stuff like Infinity or mini games like Blasphemous.

>>96724251 (OP)
I try to slip some Borges into every game I run.

>>96724558
There is/was an old fan made d&d setting called Atma that is mostly based on Brazilian folklore and history
The main nations are based on the Brazilian Empire and the Gaucho (Southern Brazilians) culture and their brief Rio Grande Republic

https://atmarpg.blogspot.com/2017/09/guia-do-cenario-atma-ser-atualizado.html

>>96730218
Agree
I wish I was good enough of a writer to make one of my Bandeirantes inspired campaigns into a proper novel

Isn't there a Brazilian edgeslop fantasy setting that's exclusively about elves getting raped and murdered? I vaguely remember someone doing a storytime about it.

>>96730163
>the idea of cultural anthrophagy or whatever you call it in english
This made me laugh too hard
That said, keep the faith and stand your ground. Hells bells, if you're feeling up to it, get creative and spin out your own take on fantasy and bring here so we can help build a system and share racist jokes with you.
I would love to see true home grown Brazilian fantasy. (Please have girls with red eye makeup.)

a story about a party of adventures exploring a fantasy not!amazon jungle, ignoring the natives caiporas warnings, stumble on a long lost city just to discover the reason the city was abandoned was still sleeping among the ruins...

>>96735547
I've got something like that in my setting, except that there are essentially two Amazon rainforests, and are both located on the north and south poles of the planet. Such a thing occurred during the Cretaceous Period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_forests_of_the_Cretaceous

Magical Realism

>>96724251 (OP)
>>96724251 (OP)
It is You, My latinofriend, who must create it. Center on You country if it's too Big a task

>>96724251 (OP)
this bro and his three bros are about to catch the moon