Thread 96769604

>Professed "Christian"(Mormon)
>Threw a temper tantrum over the Book of Vile Darkness back in 3.5e because of the violence and disgusting imagery
>It really wasn't that bad desu if you consider that in context it was meant to be sister book to the Book of Exalted Deeds.

>Dead silent over WotC's depictions and glorification of sodomy and support of shit like the Trans Lifeline as of like, the last 10 years.

Why is he like this?

>>96769604 (OP)
Conservatives in tabletop and the arts in general are notoriously self sabotaging.

>>96769604 (OP)
Maybe he doesnt feel or act the exact same way he did 24 years ago

>>96769604 (OP)
maybe he grew the fuck up while you cucks are still stuck in 1938

>>96769604 (OP)
>shit that was intended to be gross and edgy, was called as such by many people
vs.
>vile shit that you will get endlessly shat upon for calling out
gee I wonder what his reasoning for not making random public statements could be

>>96770038
>Its 2025 sweaty why don't you accept child grooming?

>>96770721
You think FAT OLD COWBOYS having GAY SEX is funny???

>>96769604 (OP)
Because promoting the right for people to do what they want behind closed doors is a bit different from publishing material about murderfucking angels. Even if you think the former is promoting sin, it's less egregiously disgusting.

>>96770886
FAT OLD COWBOYS having GAY SEX is objectively hilarious.

>>96770002
Personal growth? On /tg/? Preposterous!

>>96769715
But 4chan told me that evil cannot create anything new, it can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.

>>96770898
18 naked arnesons in the showers at WOTC RANCH
Floppy old man cocks wanting to be SUCKED
18 naked grognards wanting to be FUCKED

>>96770915
I mean, yes. Censorship advocates are idiots no matter their ideology.

>>96770803
Sorry that people with brains see what you say as retardation.

>>96769604 (OP)
The BoED literally had LGBT characters, what the fuck are you on about? Are you braindead?

>>96769604 (OP)
Why does it bother you that homosexuality and transexuality are okay? Do you need the government to stop you from having gay sex?

>>96771095
If i cant have gay sex why should anyone else?

>>96771109
Who's stopping you?

>>96769604 (OP)
I will defend him for hating on BoVD because that book fucking sucked.

>>96771151
It did but it also introduced some cool shit. I fucking adore kythons and wish we saw them again.

I miss dragonlance

>>96770915
The quote is true.
Generally the evil is anything using entertainment media to push an agenda.

>>96771216
Like veggie tales?

>>96771216
KYS, chud

>>96771225
I said generally because I knew there would be exceptions but you got me there. Well played.
>>96771244
Go waste your energy on /pol/ where the actual “chuds” are.

>>96771276
Honest question, do you consider it part of an agenda in BoED when they revealed Queen Morwel is bisexual and has hot threesomes with her bf and gf?

>>96771151
It was the best 3.0 book and anyone who argues otherwise is a total faggot.

How the fuck can you say anything bad about the book that gave us Apocalypse from the Sky and the Despoiler of Flesh and The Motherfucking Cauldron of Zombie Spewing, you tasteless bitch.

>>96771283
I never heard of BoED until this thread. I’m just waiting for an acrylic wash to dry on my miniatures.

Anyways it really depends on the intention of the author at this point. If the author is just writing with his dick then I guess there is no agenda but if there is a different motivation then yeah I guess there is an agenda being pushed.

I just don’t like seeing escapist media being used as a tool to push messages even if they are messages I agree with.

>>96771304
I dunno, you'd have to ask the author. All I know is that there's a bi faerie-angel in 3.5 and she has a twink bf and an amazon gf.
Personally I don't think the existence of gays is an agenda.

>>96771326
I don’t believe any author would admit to writing like a coomer in this industry but it would be funny if someone decided to admit it.

Anyways your example reads like something a coomer would write and I respect that.

>Personally I don't think the existence of gays is an agenda.
Depends on a lot of context. There’s loads that make it their identity a political statement so agenda is being pushed. These same ones will never admit it but they enjoy bigotry as it gives them purpose.

I know this because I was like that when I was in my non-binary phase as a teenager 5 years ago.

>>96771361
>Depends on a lot of context. There’s loads that make it their identity a political statement so agenda is being pushed. These same ones will never admit it but they enjoy bigotry as it gives them purpose.
That's entirely possible. I just like dick and pussy, and try to leave it at that. Though I admit to writing characters I want to fuck.

>>96771386
>Though I admit to writing characters I want to fuck.
I think most authors do that at some point. Not a case of if but when.

>>96771428
Probably right. For me it just means I add cute guys to the mix of cute girls.

>>96771428
I used to disagree but I've done a 180 and realized it's the ultimate shit test after trying it during the draft phase. The weak creative creates a crude cartoon drawing that's thinly veiled fetish material. The strong use it as the bronze to build their story of marble, kinda like Augustus and Rome.
>>96771463
From what you've posted, you've a good head on your shoulders. In the end, our muse is found however we find it.

>>96771198
Nobody ever played the Dragonlance setting past the railroad as hell modules, and the audiobooks of the main trilogy are free on youtube.
Play the Dragon Strike PC game.

>>96770915
yes. lotr was the good work, everything that came after was abysmal dogshit

>>96771127
Society

>>96771361
>There’s loads that make it their identity
Well yeah, what do you expect? Highly motivated and politicized people made being gay a hill to die on long before i (or anyone really) got here. Go back 200 years and you see places like singapore have seven white men to every white woman because any gay who can afford it was fleeing increased persecution in the UK for the unregulated colonies (specifically ones where all the housekeepers expect to be molested and are also male). The whole aids crisis came and went before i was even born. Some people dont want to or cant afford to stand under a flag, some people dont have a choice but to stand under it, but we only have a flag at all because we cant afford not to.

"Get out of my bedroom" is exactly what it says on the tin - "i dont want to have to be here, i have much better things to do on a friday night"

>>96771713
>Nobody ever played the Dragonlance setting past the railroad as hell modules
Technically that may be true in my case since we didn't play the classic 12 modules so we couldn't play past them, but it ignores that we played Dragonlance without those modules because we liked the setting.

>>96770915
Yes? Just look at trannies ruining all media.

>>96769604 (OP)
post the pages of D&D that shows the sodomy

post the pages of D&D that shows the "Trans Lifeline"

Fuck off to Facebook, mentally ill cuck

>>96769604 (OP)
>why doesn't this guy destroy his career to fight a battle that was already lost years ago
Real head-scratcher there, OP.

>>96770915
Funny thing is, that quote isn’t a real Tolkien quote. It’s people misquoting a section from Lord of the Rings.

>>96769715
I rather have a conservative than a trans fag. We saw what happens when you let the drag queens in now.

>>96772371
Sar...

Dragonlance is cool because even if it leans on some fantasy tropes it is still an attempt to build out from them.

>everybody is a heya hoa viking but with tree houses, decent plumbing and heavy metal armour and weapons not informed by history
>the bad guys are rapey dicks, goblins work for them but they are beneath their bosses, the titular momster
>Tanis is really goth about being a half caste, everyone is really horny, weirdly horny for a Christian book
>you get not only Dwarves who are reliable dudes but idiotic gully dwarves who are just an excellent scapegoat
>there is mention of Gnomes but the real star is Keandre Loggins who dindu nuffin and simply must steal
>I don't remember what hapoens but there are potatoes and nobody rides a dragon with a lance at any point - both good DM choices

These guys also dabbed on 5E lel
My Hot teacher bought me this book
God I used to whack myself to death over her

>>96769604 (OP)
The latter would have got him cancelled and probably crucified. Imagine saying "Only two genders", you'd get strung up for hate speech.

>>96772410
>I don't remember what hapoens
Evidently
>nobody rides a dragon with a lance at any point
Flint and Tasselhoff work together to do this in Dragons of Spring Dawning.They don't lance any evil dragons because Flint has a heart attack and can't do anything

>>96772410
>Tanis is really goth about being a half caste
This bored me to no end.

Raistlin was dope though. Sturm was pretty good too.

>>96771127
The other gays don't want to touch him

>>96772420
The ironic thing is that it would actually get you a whole lot of support.

Maybe he realized that the culture war is a dog and pony show that exists to make the underclass hate each other and make sure we don't do things the elites don't like(protesting wars/Israel, starting unions, etc).

>>96769604 (OP)
He was broken over time. Now he is a shitlicker, and a shitkisser, just like every other leftoid.

He will suffer with the rest of them at the hand of the Lord of Hosts.

>>96773478
Oh, so it should be easy for you to just surrender on every culture war issue, then.

>>96773588
They don't exist

>>96769604 (OP)
>Wasting thread space to bitch about some guy that nobody ever heard about
Stop providing nobodies recognition, OP

>>96770915
Yes, that's why conservatives are terrible artists

>>96772254
We just see you touching all the dicks.

>>96771713
I don't like audio books. I still have my paperbacks from years and years ago. I'll reread those.

>>96772218
We didn't get too into the settings itself I admit, but it certainly had a huge impact on the kind of characters we always played. For like a solid decade one of my friends pretty much just always played Raistlin. It really can't be understated how big those books were.

>>96774380
Is this actually true?

Book of exalted deeds was worse than book of vile darkness. It added a lot of bullshit spells and poorly thought out mechanics like vow of poverty. I banned both books at my table back in the day.

>>96772272
The incorrect wording is due to it being a translation of a translation, but the actual meaning remains the same.

Nobody knows what evil, true evil, even looks like anymore.

>>96774897
kinda. they are never innovators pretty much, but they can be relatively good at an established form but can you really excel in art looking backwards? maybe if your technique is excellent and the theme kinda suits you so it doesnt feel completely soulless.
I think the most important reason most artists are progressives at the very least, is because art is about expression and acceptance of the different views of others and change and all that stuff, which are all things conservatives hate with a passion

>>96770915
Yeah, that's what Tolkein said when someone traveled back in time to tell him about the Russian fanfiction about the orcs.

>>96775688
I think it’s hard to tell as everyone knows that the art industry is left leaning so if there are more right wing leaning artists they are either keeping it down or playing along paying lip service.
Also as much as I hate to admit it I think the value of art is going down because even before ai we had people doing stupid things and calling it art. Look up post modern art.
If that stuff can count as art then miniature painting can count as art and if /tg/ is anything to go by then we’d have more right wing leaning artists from mini painting alone.

>>96775635
Sure we do, we see it carried out by the United States government on the news every night.

>>96770803
>n-noooo you can't support trans kids in an age-appropriate way that doesn't harm them that's pedophilia!
>don't look up how old the Virgin Mary was when God raped her, which I venerate!

>>96771361
>There’s loads that make it their identity
there aren't, you just have no object permanence and forget that gay people are people if they talk about being gay too much

>>96776321
>trans kids
No such thing. Literally brainwashed to believe that shit and their lives are destroyed if they ever want to go back to normal once their brains develop and they see what's been done to them.
Do you want to give kids alcohol, tobacco, drugs and guns too? Don't answer, I know you want to fuck them.

>>96776337
>>96772125
You both missed how I said that a lot make their identity a political statement.
Dunno if it was deliberate or not but it is whatevs.
My point still stands that those who do make their identity a political statement quietly love persecution and opposition as it gives them purpose.

Again I know this because I had a non-binary phase I grew out of. I’m no unique case and there will be more in the future.

>>96770803
Countries/states which are predominantly conservative are far more likely to have lower ages of consent and child-adult marriage laws

/tg/ continuing to prove its an effortless trolling target

for fuck's sake can we get some active moderation please

>>96770038
Based

>>96776498
projecting lol

>>96770803
remember that every time a conservative screeches about how all trannies are groomers and child rapists he’s gonna immediately turn around and suck off the nearest pedophile republican politician for saying something racist

>>96776498
>18 year 1 day old trans person - evil groomer
>17 year 364 day old trans person - victim of grooming
Hmmmm... I'm noticing something alright...
Also: https://www.dailykos.com/users/cajsalilliehook?filter=stories

>>96770038
>still stuck in 1938
I mean, I voted for that Austrian guy back in -33

>>96777649
You'd have been in the minority, they had to false flag taking over the coalition.

>>96770803
I don't live in the South so I don't have to worry about that.

>>96775688
>they are never innovators pretty much
>conservative
>not innovative
Shocking!

>>96769604 (OP)
>It really wasn't that bad desu
The book that detailed the power you could get from rape and murder wasnt that bad. Right.

>>96774897
It's a trend, not a rule.

>>96772272
>"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them".
The quoation you see is from a russian youtube comment so you got 2 layers of translation and a paraphrase but the idea is not at all corrupted from what Tolkien said, not to mention its just a very christian idea which Tolkien would have subscribed to.

>>96776321
>>don't look up how old the Virgin Mary was when God raped her, which I venerate!
this is literal fan fiction invented by muslims who were but mad about Aisha discourse. The bible never says how old Mary was.

>>96774897
Evil can't create shit. Yes.

Conservatives being evil or bad artist. No, hell remember most of the left just take over more "conservative IP" or make something that ripping off an IP made by a conservative.
Prefect examples are LOTR, Conan, Dune, Starship Troopers, D&D, etc.

>>96776295
Found the commie leftist terrorist. Bet you said nothing when Biden and Obama was doing his evil shit.

>>96779968
they didn't have concentration camps inside the US for "illegal" immigrants, nor did they straight up vehemently supported a genocide carried out by it's sister state. this shit is straight up nazi stuff.
Biden and Obama were evil in the imperialist way the US has always been evil since the second world war at the very least, meddling and messing around with other countries fucking their shit up. otherwise they were just run of the mill corporate shills like everyone else is.

>>96779967
the lotr ip was never taken over by anyone left wtf are you talking about, same thing with everything else you mentioned. or are you talking about the amazon show that bought the name and flopped so hard i had almost forgotten it existed? dnd might be the only case of the ip trully changing hands and if you honestly believe that wotc is leftist and not simply virtue signalling to it's new intended demographic because a couple of marketing chuds said this is the best way to make money just like most big mainstream companies do you re irredeemable

that being said i don't really believe that conservatives can't create stuff but do you see a pattern in all the things you mentioned? they are all somewhere between old and ancient ips.
conservatives more strictly align themselves with capital these days and nothing that was created with the sole purpose of making money and with a marketing team behind it will ever have soul. it will always be derivative and lesser

>>96769604 (OP)
You know, Hickman IS genius but he destroyed the "old school" D&D. His old modules like I6 Ravenloft or B7 Rahasia are "storyshitting" modules but they are really, really good at what they do and at the time were very innovative.
Also I like Dragonlance even if it is actually very idiotic setting. Good art direction helps.
>>96771294
Also this.
>>96779967
>Conan
>Conservative
Have you actually ever read any Conan stories?

>>96774887
>It really can't be understated how big those books were.
Quite right. If you haven't already read them, the Annotated Chronicles and Annotated Legends volumes are interesting. If you were going to re-read the novel I would recommend those versions.

>For like a solid decade one of my friends pretty much just always played Raistlin.
kek, Raistlin could very easily get on your nerves, very nice of you guys to let him do that .

>>96769604 (OP)
Is this bait or a group trying to brigade /tg/?

Hickman only ever worked directly for TSR and was never employed by WoTC as anything but a hired author or contractor. The last contact him and Weis had with WoTC was when they were suing their ass during 2020-21 over the Dragonlance book contract failure.

>>96779967
Most of those things weren't "conservative" for their time.

>>96779855
>not denying the rape

>>96780038
>this shit is straight up nazi stuff.
based

>>96770991
>>96776321
>>96776796
>>96776898
>>96778686
Unironic seething trannies on 4chan of all places.

>>96780217
>Is this bait or a group trying to brigade /tg/?
Brigade.

>>96769604 (OP)
I remember buying the BoVD exited to see cool shit because it was in a sealed slip cover back in the day, only to open it and find things only SLIGHTLY worse than a normal D&D book, with rules even more laughably shit than normal. The only thing passable was the poison table and some of the spells.

What gives? Is a magic rod made of wiggly tongues really that horrible to depict? That one Cenobite god over in Pathfinder is more wretched than anything depicted in olde BoVD

>>96780217
4chan has been irredeemably shit for a few years now ever since leftoids discovered that actively poisoning the well in online and hobby communities is super easy. Especially if you have the time due to being unemployed and the relentless persistence to perform simple tasks due to autism.
At least /tg/ is still somewhat safe from the massive influx of indians since they are too stupid for tabletop and roleplay.

I took a break from 4chan for like 5 years and the difference is night and day.

>>96780038
You're right about the ones in charge generally not being the left-wing wannabe activists, but this is surface level.
Companies go with the flow and for what is considered safe to please their shareholders. In order to do that they fill their design teams with brainwashed drones straight from the art university echo chambers. Those are then given free reign to push their agendas. The creative workspace in general has been very left leaning for decades.

As for Rings of Power; it had a rough start but if it wasn't financially viable there would not have been 3 seasons. And you have to keep in mind that the purpose is to sell Amazon subscriptions, so you can't really think of the first season not breaking even as a flop. They are just advertising costs.
Same with all those Disney remakes. Yes, they're shit across the board, but they only exist to remind you that Disney World exists.

Anyways. Shit thread. Just stop replying to bait.

>>96780863
>t. Unironic tarding retard.

>>96781028
>t. retarded and underage nogames from /pol/

>>96780863
you think anybody who supports animal
rights is secretly a dog, pal?
>>96781028
>leftists
>indians
your average white supremacist online is an indian these days, your average leftist is a midwestern t4t fauxcest addict

>>96781028
Go play some RaHoWa, /pol/

>>96769604 (OP)
>Mormons
>Christians
I mean sure, if you consider Manicheanism, the God worshiping society of the Taiping heavenly kingdom, and fucking Islam to be Christianity.

>>96771095

Bc I prefer civilization to barbarism.

>>96782255
Greeks and Romans (founders of your vision of civilization) had a ton of gay sex.

>>96771361

They literally write books and openly speak about it at every conference. They won’t shut up about it if you ask them.

Destroying the traditional family will destroy Western civilization > the family exists bc gender norms > polyamory will make Western Civ impossible > not everyone has to be gay but they have to be non binary polyamorous queers to make this happen.

>>96773478

Dumb. I can endure poverty, hell I can endure all things except not getting grandchildren or my kids getting abused and mutilated.

Poverty wasn’t so bad when you had high social capital and poor people still lived in nice high trust communities.

Progressive values destroy life making money matter so much more bc a better zip code becomes the only way to escape progressive living conditions.

>sold a town house at the beach to buy a worse house for more money in a good zip code
>still spends $20k a year to send 3 kids to private school

That’s only necessary bc progressivism destroyed the value of other cities and towns.

>>96773588
Of course not anon, it’s not foolish for him to spend 150 years on this crusade it’s only foolish for you to notice and care about it.

>>96774897

Look at prior 4,000 years of western history and decide. Everything before modernism promotes traditional aesthetics and beauty. What you see now is gate keeping industries and exalting ugliness. When a post modernist says conservatives can’t make good art, they aren’t saying conservatives can’t create beauty, harmony, or the sublime.

They mean ugly discordance. In that regard they are correct.

>>96780090
>Conan

Hierarchy belongs on the left now?

>>96780482

Every single one of them was, which is why they needed to be corrected and updated you lying dishonest worm.

>>96769604 (OP)
>mormon
Rope him, mormonism was founded by a literal bandit.

>>96782275

They did not and this is midwit history. Tell us, of the reference to gay sex, what is the common context? And do you understand the difference between a sex act and a sexual identity?

>>96782358
>And do you understand the difference between a sex act and a sexual identity?
no I don't lol and I don't think you do either
if you see a guy sucking a dick you think he's gay or bi

>>96772125
The gender imbalance in the outposts of the British empire is probably more related to young men going abroad to seek their fortune in imperial service and trade and women staying home than it is to gays fleeing Britain proper in droves to indulge in man ass.

>>96782358
Read the Symposium.
Read primary sources.
No, youtube videos don't count.

>>96769604 (OP)
>Book that depicts "violence and degusting imagery"
vs
>Phone line for suicidal trannys to get help

Gee, I really wonder why he'd be opposed to the former and not the later...
Ok, I get that you hate trannys because they make your little dick hard and I get that you're like totally an edgy cool guy because you've been on 4chan since summer break, but try and understand that not everyone is an edgy retarded faggot like you. Most normies, you know people who function in that magical place you struggle in (the real world), are not edge-lord faggots who open walk around hoping people with different beliefs or lives kill themselves.
Normal people can dislike and disagree with someone's life style or choices with out wanting them to die.

>>96773478
Save your breath, the retarded faggots who now make up the majority of this site are too stupid to realise that fundamental truths like that.

>>96782185
>you think anybody who supports animal
rights is secretly a dog, pal?
I think anyone who supports raping kids rapes kids.

>>96781744
>>96781752
>>96782185
By all means, keep acting like a faggot. I only makes Americans hate the Democrats even more.

>>96783593
So Trump supporters?
>>96783671
>t. someone acting like a retard.

>>96783706
Can't wait for 8 years of Vance thanks to you.

>>96783900
Vance only matters because of Trump. MAGA is nothing without the Lord Poo in the Pants.

>>96783593
wait til you hear how many "straight" politicians touch little boys
>>96783671
good, fuck the dems

>>96783900
Post the god emperor Trump picture next. Get him!

This was a terrible raid, guys. We need to plan out the next one so it goes better.

>>96782339
But Conan operates outside of hierarchy; he is a barbarian who has worked as a thief, a mercenary and a pirate. If anything he is a (proto)libertarian. So yes, he is a right wing but not any sort of "conservative".

>>96771151
Yeah it was WAY too edgelord.

>>96771168
Weren't those the chain fiends from Planescape 2e?

>>96783900
The moment and I mean the MOMENT Trump dies the power vacuum is going to fucking turn into a fucking prolapse. Vance is probably going to have to worry about some right wing nutjob turning him into the next charlie kirk let alone living long enough to run for president.

>>96787591
No you're thinking of kytons. Kythons are the mutant Geiger aliens in D&D.