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Anonymous No.96815556 [Report] >>96815697 >>96817006 >>96818377 >>96819455
/osrg/ — Old School Renaissance General
Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR D&D, derived systems, and all content compatible with them.

>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:
http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128

>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94994969/#95006768

>Previous thread: >>96799302

Thread question: What is your fav monster?
Anonymous No.96815581 [Report] >>96815697 >>96815970 >>96817631
New to OSR systems
what is some old-school system (i.e. which book do I get) and modules if I want to run a short 1-3 session adventure to get some OSR interest among my town's ttrpg scene?
Anonymous No.96815697 [Report] >>96815710
>>96815581
>>96815556 (OP)
TROLL THREAD. YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO
Anonymous No.96815710 [Report] >>96815731
>>96815697
I'm sorry?
Anonymous No.96815729 [Report] >>96815761
Trollfag thread made way too early (old thread still on page 5 as of right now) to try to preempt the proper new OP, jannies please kill this.
Anonymous No.96815731 [Report] >>96815748 >>96815935 >>96816344
>>96815710
Just download
"Moldvay/Cook BX D&D"
and
"B2 Keep on the Borderlands"
Anonymous No.96815748 [Report] >>96815813 >>96815842 >>96816042
>>96815731
>"B2 Keep on the Borderlands"
I considered that one but it seems to be to large to keep it 3 session or less
Anonymous No.96815761 [Report] >>96815822 >>96816122
>>96815729
the previous thread was autosageed by post limit at that point so I made I a new one
Is there some sort of monopoly or something?
Anonymous No.96815772 [Report]
Hijacker / troll thread: please report this one as such. Actual new thread:

>>96815749
>>96815749
>>96815749
Anonymous No.96815813 [Report] >>96815833 >>96815901
>>96815748
so what?
OSR isnt completing some pre-set story, its about adventuring: killing things underground for treasure and glory.
also, play BX completely RAW and BTB
Anonymous No.96815822 [Report] >>96815857
>>96815761
Your attempt to play dumb fools nobody, however, we can simplify this down to: yes, for your personal purposes there exists a monopoly which excludes you. Also, new threads should not be made until the old one is on page 10.
Anonymous No.96815833 [Report]
>>96815813
>OSR isnt completing some pre-set story
ok but some sort of closure would be appreciated especially since I want to make a good impression so players are willing to start a lengthier campaign
Anonymous No.96815842 [Report] >>96815868 >>96815881
>>96815748
Hop over to the other thread and repost your question. I'll help as best as I can with advice over there.

This one was, unfortunately, made by one of our shit stirrers in residence so it's not going to get any half-decent answers.
Anonymous No.96815857 [Report] >>96815881 >>96815881
>>96815822
>for your personal purposes there exists a monopoly which excludes you
last time I checked neither 4ch nor /tg/ was your personal website so how about you fuck off with your bullshit
>until the old one is on page 10
bullshit
it's perfectly fine to make one if a thread hits the bump limit which it did
Anonymous No.96815868 [Report] >>96815900
>>96815842
are you for real?
what difference does it make?
also I like the art in this one better
Anonymous No.96815881 [Report] >>96815900
>>96815842
Bruh, you're replying to the troll. It ought to be obvious from the fact that the two "sides" of the "conversation" and his open shitposting e.g. >>96815857 all read exactly the same and have the same typing tics. He's too dumb to samefag effectively.

>>96815857
>bullshit
>it's perfectly fine to make one if a thread hits the bump limit which it did
Incorrect. You are wrong, also retarded, also walk into traffic.
Anonymous No.96815900 [Report] >>96815958
>>96815868
>are you for real?
It's a long and sordid story.
>what difference does it make?
Most regular posters are over there while this thread is likely to be a ghost town apart from one guy trying to keep it alive with pure force of autism.
>also I like the art in this one better
It is a banging dragon.

>>96815881
>You're replying to a troll
I choose to believe the best in people and that the occasional newbie does show up.
Put it on Blackstone, if he is a trolling shitbag then better he get a sincere answer now and then than a newbie be coated in bile for asking an honest question.
Anonymous No.96815901 [Report] >>96817632 >>96817632 >>96818828
>>96815813
also how does BF1 Morgansfort: The Western Lands Campaign compare to B2
Anonymous No.96815905 [Report] >>96815945 >>96817551
>>96814299
What does "FOE GYG" mean?
Anonymous No.96815917 [Report] >>96815969 >>96817329 >>96830622
Why is everyone here so autistically aggressive / aggressively autistic?
Anonymous No.96815923 [Report] >>96817632
how come the b/x omnibus hasn't been updated to remove the errors?

and why the fuck is the art so low res
Anonymous No.96815935 [Report] >>96816149 >>96817508
>>96815731
>"Moldvay/Cook BX D&D"
is that the one?
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/110274/d-d-basic-set-rulebook-b-x-ed-basic
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/110792/d-d-expert-set-rulebook-b-x-ed-basic
Anonymous No.96815945 [Report] >>96817632
>>96815905
It doesn't mean anything.
Anonymous No.96815958 [Report] >>96815994
>>96815900
>I choose to believe the best in people and that the occasional newbie does show up.
Buddy. Don't be retarded. A newbie isn't going to show up within the first minutes of a troll thread being posted, asking a stereotypical question in the exact same cadence as the troll. Not to mention he tried the exact same ploy the last time he posted a troll OP. Get a grip.
Anonymous No.96815969 [Report]
>>96815917
It's because this is a troll thread, so nothing good can possibly come of it.
Anonymous No.96815970 [Report] >>96816026
>>96815581
You grab Moldvay B/X and run Castle Amber.
Anonymous No.96815994 [Report]
>>96815958
I don't get it why are you so salty and what is exactly the offense you have with this thread
You are more than welcome to participate in the thread
it's a public anonymous board after all
Anonymous No.96816026 [Report] >>96816070 >>96816216 >>96816358 >>96823475
>>96815970
>Castle Amber.
anons please help me understand if this is trolling or genuine advice?
I'm skipping through the wiki article and it doesn't seem like it was exactly highly rated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Amber_(module)
>The worst module in the X series.
>did not recommend this adventure for purchase
but then again the article mentions it is part of the top 30 modules I've heard being mentioned before
Anonymous No.96816042 [Report] >>96816098
>>96815748
Big is good. You're not trying to 100% everything, you play for the time you got.
Anonymous No.96816059 [Report] >>96816108
There must be a lot of w*men here because I see a lot of missed periods.
Anonymous No.96816070 [Report] >>96820170
>>96816026
It's funky and weird, but it's also really good. If you read some of the Chronicles of Amber before playing it, it makes a lot more sense.
Anonymous No.96816098 [Report] >>96816255
>>96816042
appreciate your reply
I would like to run it as second pick after I recruit some players
But as I already mentioned before for the first adventure I want to make an impression [to actually recruit players] so some sort of closure would be anticipated
Anonymous No.96816108 [Report] >>96816204
>>96816059
what, you don't like women? a bit gay for the cock I suppose?
Anonymous No.96816114 [Report]
Friendly reminder as the troll samefags the shit out of this thread to make it look alive and bury early posts calling him out.

This is a hijacker / troll thread: please report this one as such. The actual new thread is:

>>96815749
>>96815749
>>96815749
Anonymous No.96816122 [Report] >>96816177
>>96815761
>the previous thread was autosageed by post limit at that point so I made I a new one
>with my truncated bullshit OP
This moves you from tourist to troll.
Anonymous No.96816149 [Report]
>>96815935
https://i.4pcdn.Morg/tg/1431738654868.Mpdf

Just remove the capital M's.
Anonymous No.96816177 [Report] >>96816200 >>96816291
>>96816122
I was searching for answers in archives and at the point I was getting desperate I saw the current thread was at post limit and I found this really cool art I liked and I wanted to participate
I just took the description from the thread in the archives, the OP from the previous live thread reads like it was written by someone having a stroke, this one is clean and simple

I don't see the problem
Anonymous No.96816200 [Report] >>96816210
>>96816177
That means (you)'re the problem. Funny that.
Anonymous No.96816204 [Report]
>>96816108
I may be a homosexual, but y'all are faggots.
Anonymous No.96816210 [Report] >>96816290
>>96816200
rude
Anonymous No.96816216 [Report] >>96816256 >>96816424
>>96816026
You can find any adventure in the world just by searching its name and .pdf.
Read through some of it, maybe even play through it, and if you like it, then you can do the whole buyfag thing after you're sure its worth the money.

Castle Amber is okay but maybe not a starter adventure. Keep on the Borderlands is more traditional.
In Search of the Unknown is a very basic adventure designed for beginners.
Anonymous No.96816255 [Report]
>>96816098
>some sort of closure would be anticipated
Maybe they'll all die.
Anonymous No.96816256 [Report]
>>96816216
>Search of the Unknown
thanks anon
seems like exactly what I was looking for
Anonymous No.96816290 [Report]
>>96816210
>make troll thread to be a shitfuck
>calls others rude
nou
Anonymous No.96816291 [Report]
>>96816177
>I just happened to find an ancient /osrg/ OP image
lmao, pathetic
Anonymous No.96816344 [Report] >>96833311
>>96815731
>B2 Keep on the Borderlands"
That's the one that Gygax replaced as an intro module only because he himself wrote it and wanted all the royalties for himself.
Anonymous No.96816358 [Report] >>96816424
>>96816026
You won't get actual advice in this thread.
Anonymous No.96816424 [Report] >>96816505 >>96816579
>>96816358
why is that?
apart from one or two bad apples
who keep calling me names for taking an old thread OP and never explaining why it even matters
everyone else seems helpful and I actually did have a recommendation which on further reading seems to be just what I needed see >>96816216
Anonymous No.96816505 [Report]
>>96816424
Because you're a fuckhead.
Anonymous No.96816571 [Report] >>96816594
TROLL THREAD. REPORT AND DON'T ENGAGE.
Anonymous No.96816579 [Report]
>>96816424
It's retards being buttblasted that the OP does not exclude 2e.
Anonymous No.96816582 [Report] >>96816657 >>96816731 >>96816967 >>96817508
What is the best class in every system? I know in 1st edition its probably ranger/cleric early on and wizards at high level. And 2e is probably the same. but what about in OD&D for example?
Anonymous No.96816594 [Report]
>>96816571
report for what you fuckhead?
you are getting really irritating? what the sand in your vagigi exactly with this thread?
Anonymous No.96816620 [Report]
JANNIES, THIS IS A TROLL THREAD. PLEASE DELETE.
Anonymous No.96816657 [Report] >>96817528
>>96816582
wdym by best class?
this isn't a solo game unless you were asking specifically for a solo game
a party needs a bit of everything
Anonymous No.96816731 [Report]
>>96816582
Fighting man in everything.
Anonymous No.96816967 [Report]
>>96816582
At high levels, magic-users are incredibly OP if they have the right spells. But, Fighting-men are still the best combat class, though that also doesn't mean as much in OD&D.
Anonymous No.96817006 [Report] >>96817043
>>96815556 (OP)
>What is your fav monster?
Anonymous No.96817043 [Report] >>96818348
>>96817006
This art is much better though.
Anonymous No.96817329 [Report] >>96817543 >>96817673 >>96820259 >>96830622
>>96815917
The foundational components of OSR kind of go hand-in-hand with autism. Lots of numbers and rules and little things to argue about. It's also why something like pigeon racing or competitive sudoku is 80% people on the spectrum. It's the reason why the OSR community had trouble forming and remains split into various subgroups/subgenres, rather than ever really being a cohesive whole.
Anonymous No.96817508 [Report]
>>96815935
lmao fucking retard
>>96816582
dogshit book
Anonymous No.96817528 [Report]
>>96816657
There can still be a best class. Simply meaning the one that contributes the most to the party. Clerics seem to contribute the most early on because they are decent martials and can also contribute some spells.
Anonymous No.96817543 [Report] >>96817742
>>96817329
How can we cure this?
Anonymous No.96817551 [Report]
>>96815905
It's the sound someone makes when they've got a corpse dick lodged in their throat.
Anonymous No.96817631 [Report] >>96817639 >>96817808
>>96815581
If you really just want to generate interest, grab the Tomb of Horrors. For some unknowable reason, that's the OSR adventure that keeps surfacing in the public zeitgeist.
I'd wager it's mostly a mix of reputation (as being extremely challenging), it being written by Gary Gygax, and just the evocative name, because the adventure itself is not really fun to play through and it's filled with less "challenges" and more just "dick moves". But, even though it's not fun to play, it's definitely an experience and what anyone interested at all in any edition of D&D should try out just to see what all the hub-bub is about.
Anonymous No.96817632 [Report]
>>96815901
>>96815901
all bfrpg is dogshit garbage
>>96815923
do it yourself?
>>96815945
it means youre seething


also @ MODS this is a troll thread, please delete
Anonymous No.96817639 [Report] >>96817670
>>96817631
thats a horrible fucking idea for a DM and Players new to OSR you absolute chucklefuck
Anonymous No.96817670 [Report] >>96817748
>>96817639
It's giving people what they want and are interested in doing (playing the big famous adventure in its original form), along with the caveat that even if they don't enjoy it, most other adventures are much more fun. Also, ToH is really quick because it's a tournament mod that people played for speed, so they can go through it, suffer and die or maybe succeed, and then go play a fun adventure.
Anonymous No.96817673 [Report] >>96817742 >>96817748
>>96817329
shut up ACKSshill
you really think "rulling over rules" means you need more rules? You don't know shit about anything, that's why you've never convinced anyone to play your crappy game.
Anonymous No.96817742 [Report]
>>96817673
I'm not talking about the rules of just one system.
Even just trying to get into OSR has people comparing OD&D and AD&D, and 1e and 2e, and OD&D and Basic, and Holmes and Moldvay and BECMI, and so on and so on. The joke is that they made Basic to try and make D&D simple, and decades later it's mostly just helped to make everything more complex.

>>96817543
If someone here had the cure for autism they wouldn't be playing games, they'd be banging all the gold-diggers chasing all the money they got from selling that secret.
Anonymous No.96817748 [Report] >>96818089 >>96820086
>>96817670
confirmed, youre a genuine moron, and a nogames to boot.
>>96817673
what the fuck are you talking about, you actual delusional schizo?
Anonymous No.96817808 [Report] >>96818089
>>96817631
This is dumb.

Especially if you're trying to drag in 5e players using Tomb of Horrors. They'll just go play the 5e version instead.

All versions of Tomb are shit.
Anonymous No.96818089 [Report] >>96818147
>>96817748
>>96817808
Ask ten people who've never played an OSR game whether they want to play Tomb of Horrors or [Any other Adventure], and at least five of them will say Tomb of Horrors.
Anonymous No.96818147 [Report] >>96818240
>>96818089
sure, and it will be a terrible experience since:
A. the DM is completely new
B. the players are all completely new
C. ToH is not representative of 'normal' OSR gameplay
D. ToH is a semi-competitive point-scoring tournament module
now fuck off, you retarded tourist
Anonymous No.96818186 [Report] >>96818415
is this the knave thread?
Anonymous No.96818240 [Report]
>>96818147
Starting at the bottom means there's only one direction you can go.
Anonymous No.96818295 [Report]
dogshit b8, nogames troll
Anonymous No.96818348 [Report]
>>96817043
>snakebutt
Anonymous No.96818377 [Report] >>96818471 >>96822554
>>96815556 (OP)
Favorite is rust monster because fuck your armor. But I always thought it was lame that they can't even attack other than by destroying metal stuff. Makes it pretty obvious that their only purpose is to deprive the players of weapons and armor.

That also brings up a question. How good would full plate still be if the character lost just the chest plate and only their torso was exposed?
Anonymous No.96818415 [Report]
>>96818186
No, this is the troll / hijack thread. Knave is a good fit for the NSR thread, though.
Anonymous No.96818471 [Report] >>96818591
>>96818377
When I was really young I actually had one of those plastic toys it was based off of. Wish I still had it, it might be worth something now.
Anonymous No.96818591 [Report]
>>96818471
It's not.
Anonymous No.96818638 [Report] >>96818744 >>96818825
How can osrfags claim ‘rulings over rules’ while also holding the position that osr is vasily different from narrative-centric systems. It's contradictory.
Anonymous No.96818744 [Report]
>>96818638
People sort of lost the meaning of what "narrative-centric" system actually means, thanks in part to a lot of trolling and shitposting.

An actual narrative game is something like Fate, where players don't just have control over the actions of their character, but can directly help change the world, insert story elements, and are even expected to call up situations that are detrimental to their character, like if their character has a trait where they're being chased by the Yakuza, when they enter a tea shop they might suggest to the GM that the tea shop has ties with the Yakuza.

To a troll though, a narrative game is any game that has more story than "There is a dungeon, you have to go in it."
Anonymous No.96818825 [Report]
>>96818638
"osrfags" have lots of different opinions. Of course they're going to contradict each other.
Anonymous No.96818828 [Report] >>96818897 >>96820640
>>96815901
I'm the guy that posts updates about my BFRPG campaign every week. I like the game a lot have ran my current campaign for 52 sessions...
The campaign I've ran used BF1 Morgansfort as it's base that I built on, and honestly I wouldn't use it again. Basically it does everything B2 does, but worse. Highly recommend just using modules from other stuff or just writing your own settlement with a large dungeon nearby.
Anonymous No.96818897 [Report]
>>96818828
>The campaign I've ran used BF1 Morgansfort as it's base that I built on,
:D
>and honestly I wouldn't use it again. Basically it does everything B2 does, but worse.
D:
Anonymous No.96819342 [Report] >>96819381 >>96819445 >>96819509 >>96819564 >>96819894 >>96820675
I've only been a player and I've only played 5e. I want to run a game and am interested in OSR. How is OSE? I want physical books, so I'm not interested in systems that are PDF only.
Anonymous No.96819381 [Report]
>>96819342
If you want real answers this is not the thread for you, as it's a troll thread made by a retarded sperg. Try >>96815749.
Anonymous No.96819407 [Report] >>96819540 >>96819649
>>96819395
Is there an O.S.R. version of the World of Darkness?
Anonymous No.96819445 [Report] >>96819699
>>96819342
It's solid. Slimmed down and neat, but I'm going to have to say just playing 5e doesn't make you some sort of abject retard who needs to be babied. Not saying OSE is babied, but the best question really is what are you looking for in an OSR game?

If you just want something to play, OSE will work. Might want to try Dungeon Crawl Classics, it's in the same vein.

But you can also go for something like AD&D, which has a little more to build from.
Anonymous No.96819455 [Report]
>>96815556 (OP)
>Thread question: What is your fav monster?
The best.
Anonymous No.96819509 [Report]
>>96819342
I like it.
It's an easy rec to people even with zero RPG experience. Clear language, clear rules.
The books also don't look like shit, so that's a plus.
Anonymous No.96819540 [Report]
>>96819407
If you just want VAMPIRES, the best I can say is maybe grabbing some Ravenloft and Draccing things up.
If you want modern day emo kids wandering the streets battling against despair and hunger, why not just stick with WoD?
Anonymous No.96819564 [Report] >>96822058
>>96819342
BX vs OSE comes down to flavor vs intelligibility. OSE is much, MUCH easier to actually use but a lot of the old-school charm and/or jank (YMMV) is removed as well.

Given that you're new to OSR I'd say that OSE is the safest bet but go download both and see which you like and then buy a physical version. Or just blind buy both, if you're willing to shell out a bit more. OSE is $70 new IIRC and you can usually find copies of the Basic and Expert rules on ebay for $15-20 each.
Anonymous No.96819649 [Report]
>>96819407
None I know, but there is an OSR WoD at least.
Anonymous No.96819699 [Report]
>>96819445
AD&D doesn't really add anything over Old School Essentials Advanced Fantasy.
OSE Classic Fantasy = Cleaned up B/X
OSE Advanced Fantasy = Cleaned up AD&D.
Anonymous No.96819894 [Report] >>96819993
>>96819342
>I want physical books
I wish the 1e rulebooks weren't so pricey. They look awesome. How many people here actually own them?
Anonymous No.96819993 [Report] >>96820094 >>96820285 >>96820684 >>96822385 >>96826321
>>96819894
Only physical RPG books I still have were gifted to me a decade ago, these WoTC 2e rereleases.
Not my favorite RPG, but probably my favorite looking RPG books. Real nice packages, everything premium.
Anonymous No.96820086 [Report]
>>96817748
Its just boogyshill. Ignore them, they're a troll and made this thread to fuck with people.
Anonymous No.96820094 [Report] >>96820529
>>96819993
Those ARE kinda sexy.
Anonymous No.96820170 [Report]
>>96816070
>If you read some of the Chronicles of Amber before playing it, it makes a lot more sense.
People should read those regardless.

The Appendix N is a solid set of books, and one of the easiest ways to improve your games is to go through and read as much of them as you can. Though, not necessarily in alphabetical order like they're listed. Reading Zelazny should actually probably be a priority over most of the other authors.
Anonymous No.96820259 [Report] >>96820330
>>96817329
>rather than ever really being a cohesive whole.
It's better off that way.
Anonymous No.96820285 [Report] >>96820555 >>96820926
>>96819993
These aren't OSR rulebooks, however. This isn't an old-school edition.
Anonymous No.96820330 [Report]
>>96820259
...I have to agree. Everyone being able to do their own thing and not fight about it is much better than anyone trying to get everyone to conform to one standard.
Anonymous No.96820529 [Report]
>>96820094
>faux leather
>half-naked, glistening people
>exposed thighs

Putting the Dungeon back into D&D.
Anonymous No.96820555 [Report] >>96820567 >>96820725 >>96821311 >>96822009
>>96820285
What are you even on about?
Anonymous No.96820567 [Report] >>96820786
>>96820555
Don't engage with that troll please. Just ignore him,
Anonymous No.96820640 [Report] >>96821317
>>96818828
thanks for your reply anon
do you have a say on any other BF adventures? are some worthwhile? I like the concept of a fundamentally free game based on an old beloved game, so I want to try it out in some regard
PS
I've read your reports, they are a fun read
that's what got me thinking about BF in the first place
unfortunately the previous osrg threads had a sperg who was insisting BF is offtopic
Anonymous No.96820675 [Report] >>96820706 >>96827102
>>96819342
OSE by this time should be considered the industry standard in terms of print quality, art, layout etc.
it is both B/X and AD&D compatible (classic fantasy vs advanced fantasy)
it's hard to go wrong
the only thing is that it has a lot of books by this point so you would make yourself a favor in watching some buying guide if you want to get all the right stuff in just one go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crzlhy-0yRI

also OSE basic rulebook is a free download
you can check it out and see if you like it
Anonymous No.96820684 [Report] >>96822244
>>96819993
these do look rad
probably pricey though
Anonymous No.96820706 [Report]
>>96820675
>OSE by this time should be considered the industry standard in terms of print quality, art, layout etc.
if we lived in a better world
OSE is well above the standard and there was much more time and dedication put in making it look good than most games.
Anonymous No.96820725 [Report] >>96820765 >>96820786 >>96820788 >>96822015
>>96820555
that anon is on his personal crusade against 2e and Hickman-style adventures
probably a no-games faggot who watches too much retarded gatekeeping content on the internet and builds his identity around being a gatekeeper to what people can and cannot enjoy

ignore him
he will never go away despite claiming this isn't the one trve osrg because the OP doesn't exclude 2e specifically that's what the OP always was before this retard and his fuck buddy hijacked the general
but if you feed him it will lead to walls of text with him sperging out
Anonymous No.96820765 [Report] >>96820776
>>96820725
>personal crusade against 2e and Hickman-style adventures
it's one of the basic things about OSR
OSR is a response to hickman style adventures
it's not one anon, is whoever is willing to tell you again that you're being retarded
Anonymous No.96820776 [Report] >>96820788 >>96820798 >>96822036
>>96820765
>OSR is a response to hickman style adventures
you are literally retarded, but humor me this
hickman style adventures are 80s
OSR started in the middle 2000s
how. the. fuck.
is it supposed to be a response to hickman style adventures

PS
naturally we shouldn't feed the trolls
replying only to make sure newbs see this as a blatant lie
Anonymous No.96820786 [Report]
>>96820567
>>96820725
Ok i'll ignore him, thanks.
Anonymous No.96820788 [Report]
>>96820725
>>96820776
You dummy. Just ignore him.
Anonymous No.96820798 [Report] >>96820809
>>96820776
When Hickman did it it was new and interesting, then everything TSR and then WotC printed followed the same railroad format. Yes, it lasted more than 20 years, how is that confusing when OSR also lasted 20 years?
sage No.96820809 [Report]
>>96820798
It's not confusing him, he's being deliberately obtuse.
Anonymous No.96820926 [Report]
>>96820285
>aren't OSR
>old-school edition
strictly speaking all old-school editions are not OSR
They are just that, old-school editions
Anonymous No.96821311 [Report] >>96821368
>>96820555
He's just saying that 2e isn't an old-school edition and has nothing to do with old.school D&D or the OSR, it's a simple, straightforward, and true statement.
Anonymous No.96821317 [Report]
>>96820640
>unfortunately the previous osrg threads had a sperg who was insisting BF is offtopic
>things that never happened
You've been consistently told it's an OSR game, but not a very good one. It's on topic.
Anonymous No.96821368 [Report] >>96821375
>>96821311
I understood the statement it just makes no sense.
Anonymous No.96821375 [Report] >>96821407 >>96821575 >>96822024
>>96821368
No, it makes perfect sense. The OSR was a reaction to 2e at least as much as to 3e. Here, have a blog post by one of the OSR greats explaining it all very clearly:
>https://beyondfomalhaut.blogspot.com/2022/10/blog-osr-module-o5-2e-is-still-not-old.html
Anonymous No.96821407 [Report] >>96821431 >>96822057
>>96821375
I don't really care about that. I'd prefer to discuss games rather than argue about what is or isn't OSR.
Anonymous No.96821431 [Report] >>96821563
>>96821407
Well, in that case it would probably be best not to drag irrelevant games into the OSR thread, which you claim this is.
Anonymous No.96821563 [Report] >>96822089
>>96821431
it is an OSR thread
it is also a public anonymous image board with no moderation
so anyone can mention any topic, maybe get a reply maybe not, and the thread will move on

if you are so eager to moderate stuff, you should go to reddit, I heard it's all they do
Anonymous No.96821575 [Report] >>96822024
>>96821375
>old-school gaming is a deliberate rejection of the 2e legacy, a style and school of thought which set itself up as its polar opposite in aesthetics, focus, design principles, and GMing style. Its advocates saw 2e as a corrupted, bland, corporate husk of the original D&D spirit, and thought it was like a swig of clear spring water when they could finally get back to what they saw as the buried genius of those creative origins.
Interesting to see someone in NSR reason the same argument out but in different terms:
>>96805019
>>96805035
>>96805071
Also
>the TRV OSR Taliban is a sure hand and keen eye while bringing down the blade.
Inshallah Habibi
Anonymous No.96821645 [Report]
>someone
hmmm
Anonymous No.96821785 [Report] >>96822674
found this link while reading the nsrg and I think it might be an interesting read for anons in this thread as well
https://rancourt.substack.com/p/a-survey-of-overland-travel
What is it?
>some non-anon tries to do the same overland travel over different systems RAW
How long is it?
>pretty long and there are a lot of systems covered
>but there is a conclusion section in the end if you don't want the nitty-gritty
Anonymous No.96822009 [Report]
>>96820555
2nd ed isn't osr, but this isn't an osr thread so its likely fine for people to fuck about here as much as possible.
Anonymous No.96822015 [Report]
>>96820725
>there is only one boogyman
lol no everyone thinks you suck a lot
You made this bullshit false osr enthuiast thread just to continue trolling the actual /osrg/.
Anonymous No.96822024 [Report] >>96823170 >>96825264
>>96821375
>>96821575
The problems with 2etards is that they're the pariahs of the D&D scene. Nobody *really* likes that edition: OSR and NSR fans dislike it for the reasons given above, and while in game philosophy it is fundamentally in line with 3e and 5e, from the point of view of actual, practical game design it's objectively crap, with most of its splatbooks being considered universally the worst ever published under the D&D brand name.

If someone wants to play one of the Hickman-style editions, there's tons of reasons to choose 3e or 5e or Pathfinder, but absolutely NONE for anybody to waste time on 2e.

Now that's about actual 2etards, who are few and far in between, but that's also wholly unrelated to the anti-OSR/NSR trolls, who have decided to carry out an attack against /osrg/ and /nsrg/ because they just enjoy trolling, and at least partly, it seems also for paranoid schizophrenic imaginary political reasons, hence the constant references to presumed chuddery that they let slip.

The trolls don't actually care about 2e. They don't play it. They have shown dozens of times that they're actually unfamiliar with 2e as an edition, as well as with first decade D&D.

They have chosen 2e as the ptool to try and destroy /osrg/ and /nsrg/ because fact that it's so bad actually makes it the perfect anti-OSR/NSR trick: Defending 2e is guaranteed to annoy and elicit a reaction from anybody with half a brain.
Anonymous No.96822036 [Report]
>>96820776
How many years in a decade Todd?
Anonymous No.96822057 [Report] >>96823201
>>96821407
The amount of actual gameplay discussion about 2nd ed has been nonexistent. its one pissbaby who can't deal with it not being part of /osrg/.
They don't have a 2nd ed game, haven't ever been able to talk about that, all 2nd ed threads and generals have very minimal if any discussion of gameplay. Its a malicious autist.
Anonymous No.96822058 [Report] >>96822104 >>96822188
Remember: Just ignore the troll and keep on keepin' on.

>>96819564
>OSE is $70 new IIRC and you can usually find copies of the Basic and Expert rules on ebay for $15-20 each.
I wonder how many people held onto their B/X books thinking that one day they'd be collectors items.
Anonymous No.96822089 [Report]
>>96821563
>its an osr thread
Good point. Anyone tried the new edition of Dungeon World? There was an anon who posted the playtest rules a bit back.
Anonymous No.96822104 [Report]
>>96822058
Remember to ignore this troll.
Anonymous No.96822188 [Report] >>96822218
>>96822058
Him having given up on his own thread and coming over to try and troll this one with his one-man show is pretty fucking hilarious.
Just tap the OP and watch him cry bitter tears.
Anonymous No.96822218 [Report]
>>96822188
>the oft touted boogyman
No, you're bullshit is obvious to enough people you get regularly called on it by whoever happens to walk by.
Anonymous No.96822244 [Report] >>96822593
>>96820684
>probably pricey though
They're being sold in the $50-$70 range, which is somewhat surprising because you can get the originals for about $40.

The whole aftermarket for D&D books is really wild. Some people are practically throwing the books away, and others are trying to sell them for hundreds of dollars.
Anonymous No.96822385 [Report] >>96822693
>>96819993
I fucking love tome-like books and antique looks. Hate "modern" looks that ruin the "Look at us we're wizards ha ha" thing you get.
Digital PDF? Go modern.
Physical book? Make it tome.
Anonymous No.96822554 [Report] >>96822606
>>96818377
>How good would full plate still be if the character lost just the chest plate and only their torso was exposed?

As long as you have helmet/bracers/grieves/loincloth, everything else is a fashion accessory.
Anonymous No.96822593 [Report]
>>96822244
>They're being sold in the $50-$70 range
not to bad
Anonymous No.96822606 [Report]
>>96822554
this calls for the that female plate armor webcomic with a reference to the survivorship bias illustration
Anonymous No.96822623 [Report] >>96822693
I for one welcome our lost brothers from the imposter [and naturally unpopular] thread
this is a thread for everyone with no censorship apart from regular blue board rules
unless you purposefully misbehave, you are welcome to express your opinion [even if it's going to be a humorous DW2 pic or something once in a while]
Anonymous No.96822674 [Report] >>96824772 >>96824865 >>96825011 >>96826066
>>96821785
>ACKS2
>several hours, 127 dice rolls, and referencing different rule books just to travel 8 hexes
whoo-weee lad
Anonymous No.96822693 [Report] >>96822712 >>96824938 >>96826644
>>96822623
I just wish the worst of them could express their opinions in ways that aren't them making insane declarations and demanding everyone follow their personal (and unpopular) definitions.

>>96822385
I like clean looks. The OSE books are really nice, graphic design speaking.
Anonymous No.96822712 [Report] >>96823099
>>96822693
OSEs books are great readability/function wise but are a bit dry aesthetically outside of the art. Needs some flair
Also im not a fan of the green highlighting. It feels gross colorwise to me for some reason.
Anonymous No.96823099 [Report]
>>96822712
Dry is fine. A rulebook is a functional tool, and I'd rather err on the side of easy reference than trying to win some sort of aesthetic award. It's all about finding that sweet spot of being as clean as it can be without going that one step too far and becoming soulless.

>It feels gross colorwise to me for some reason.
*wipes some snot on a page*
No idea why you'd think that.
Anonymous No.96823170 [Report] >>96823278
>>96822024
tl;dr derp durr
Anonymous No.96823201 [Report] >>96823278 >>96824887
>>96822057
>The amount of actual discussion about 2nd ed has been nonexistent.
Yet retards like you lose their shit when someone says anything about 2e. If it's not coming up that often then maybe stop shitting up the thread when it does get talked about.
Anonymous No.96823250 [Report]
Oh dear, he's awake again
Anonymous No.96823278 [Report] >>96824872
>>96823170
>>96823201
You're supposed to ignore him. He has no power here.
Anonymous No.96823475 [Report] >>96823727 >>96823996 >>96825711
>>96816026
It is both shit and salvageable, I hate it but at the same time it's the ancestor of the Ravenloft-like stories in D&D and it certainly could be a great time for the PC.
Pro : the plot makes for memorable moments, it is inspired by novels (hence it will be easier to DM if you've read those) and your PC are forced to interact with cursed NPC rather than killing monsters. Plus, nobody expects the french inquisition in a D&D book.
Cons: you need to prepare it well, some of the shit at the end is bad and needs rewriting (except if you're ok with "nobody has entered this room in a century but a shark is living there" or the answer to the final enigma being written on the wall, not even kidding).
So yeah, it could be either a disaster or a great time for everyone.
sage No.96823727 [Report] >>96823833
>>96823475
So not something that a genuine poster should suggest to a complete newbie
Anonymous No.96823833 [Report]
>>96823727
we would all be glad to hear your input if you have any
Anonymous No.96823996 [Report]
>>96823475
>it is inspired by novels (hence it will be easier to DM if you've read those
It's more than that. It's the serial numbers filed off for copyright's sake, but otherwise you get to experience the "D&D-version" of Amber, with a name unchanged.

It reminds me of White Plume Mountain, where the highlight of the adventure is definitely being able to find Stormbring-, I mean, Blackrazor.
Anonymous No.96824772 [Report] >>96824990
>>96822674
If you think ACKS is bad, you should try AD&D 2e, lmao
Anonymous No.96824865 [Report] >>96824874 >>96825054 >>96825074
>>96822674
The funny thing about this is that Cairn is twice as bad.
Anonymous No.96824872 [Report]
>>96823278
You're suppose to ignore him, he has no power here.
your boogymen have as much power as you rent them
Anonymous No.96824874 [Report] >>96825768
>>96824865
I wouldnt expect something better from Cairn

Has anyone here ever given a try to simulacrum's system? Do people even remember his shitbrew?
Anonymous No.96824887 [Report] >>96824950
>>96823201
It doesn't come up at all unless you shit it out.
Anonymous No.96824938 [Report]
>>96822693
You ignore and start calling names at anything that isn't on your level of shit flinging so here we are fishfag.
Anonymous No.96824950 [Report] >>96825009 >>96825088
>>96824887
Yes, I shit out your posts. I should probably see doctor about that.
Anonymous No.96824990 [Report] >>96825200 >>96831637
>>96824772
do you have anything specific you wanted to show us?
Anonymous No.96825009 [Report] >>96825156
>>96824950
You shit out your mouth. Just close it and drown.
Anonymous No.96825011 [Report] >>96825083
>>96822674
That's a feature, not a bug.
What's the point of traveling several dozen miles if the rules don't make you feel like you physically did it?
Anonymous No.96825054 [Report] >>96825108
>>96824865
>Cairn is twice as bad
Nah, 2e is worse.
Anonymous No.96825074 [Report] >>96825101
>>96824865
twice? about the same
though the text did say they were using work-in-progress rules
Anonymous No.96825083 [Report]
>>96825011
It took multiple real life hours. At some point it just becomes easier to go out and do some real adventuring.
Anonymous No.96825088 [Report] >>96825156
>>96824950
>he is now so mad that his insults have become completely incoherent self-dunks
Anonymous No.96825101 [Report] >>96825125 >>96826066
>>96825074
No, in the post he mentions there were so many rolls in Cairn that he didn't bother to resolve any of the encounter ones. According to him, he rolled about 120 actual rolls and left out another ~80.
Anonymous No.96825108 [Report] >>96825131
>>96825054
that's the second time you say that same thing
do you mind elaborating or can all your words be discarded as there is no truth behind those?
Anonymous No.96825125 [Report] >>96825329
>>96825101
might have missed that, not that much interested in Cairn
Do you have any info on how much the final version of traveling rules differ?
Anonymous No.96825131 [Report] >>96825168 >>96825244 >>96825342
>>96825108
Can you PLEASE stop replying to that troll?
I'm half convinced you're just the troll prodding himself so he can bullshit.
Anonymous No.96825156 [Report] >>96825301
>>96825009
Just because no one can tell which of your ends is your ass does not mean everyone else is the same.
>>96825088
>reading is too hard for me but I am in hobby that requires being able to read.
sage No.96825168 [Report] >>96825219
>>96825131
Congrats, anon, you've figured him out. If nobody else argues with him, he starts arguing with himself, and makes his anti-2e sockpuppet act retarded so he "wins."
Don't engage, please
Anonymous No.96825200 [Report] >>96825228 >>96825347
>>96824990
I could show you a video of a superobese woman having explosive diarrhea and it would still be better than AD&D 2e.
Anonymous No.96825219 [Report]
>>96825168
>Everybody except me is the same person
meds
Anonymous No.96825228 [Report] >>96825235
>>96825200
>do you mind elaborating or can all your words be discarded as there is no truth behind those?
so it's the later, ok
ps
you have some weird kinks anon, weird kinks
Anonymous No.96825235 [Report]
>>96825228
>so it's the later, ok
it's spelled "latter", mongoloid
Anonymous No.96825244 [Report] >>96825264 >>96825314
>>96825131
but his impotent fits are so entertaining.. :-|
Anonymous No.96825264 [Report] >>96825464
>>96825244
Yeah, I don't get it. The whole point of this thread is supposedly being able to finally discuss AD&D 2e, and when there's actual discussion of it: >>96822024 nobody engages and then they even go "anybody who answers is him samefagging".
Anonymous No.96825301 [Report] >>96825306
>>96825156
No one can tell the difference between your head and your ass because they're jammed together.
Anonymous No.96825306 [Report] >>96825330
>>96825301
Nah, that just you and your posts.
Anonymous No.96825314 [Report]
>>96825244
You're just encouraging him.
If you really want to be entertained, watch how mad he gets when everyone just ignores him. The longer everyone does, the more retarded he becomes.
Anonymous No.96825329 [Report]
>>96825125
>Do you have any info on how much the final version of traveling rules differ?
No, Cairn sucks, why would I? I've just read that blog post.
Anonymous No.96825330 [Report] >>96825347
>>96825306
No you.
Anonymous No.96825342 [Report]
>>96825131
>Can you PLEASE stop replying to that troll?
>t. also replying to the same troll
Anonymous No.96825347 [Report] >>96825354
>>96825330
No u and your mom who is talked about here >>96825200
Anonymous No.96825354 [Report] >>96825416 >>96825475
>>96825347
No (you) I'm rubber (you)'re glue, bounces off me and sticks to (you).
Anonymous No.96825416 [Report] >>96825475
>>96825354
You make poor rubber as it just sticks to you.
Anonymous No.96825464 [Report] >>96825487 >>96825575
>>96825264
>The whole point of this thread is supposedly being able to finally discuss AD&D 2e
huh?
OP here
Anonymous No.96825475 [Report] >>96825510
>>96825416
Already deflected.
>>96825354
Anonymous No.96825487 [Report] >>96825575
>>96825464
OP here, this isn't me.
I made this thread to own chudds.
Anonymous No.96825510 [Report]
>>96825475
Off your mom and onto you.
Anonymous No.96825575 [Report] >>96828379
>>96825464
>>96825487
neither of you are OP, I'm OP
Anonymous No.96825579 [Report] >>96825596 >>96825711 >>96826176
>Thread made to return the /osrg/ to its roots
>This makes the few trolls trying to redefine the /osrg/ extremely upset
>They scream and shit themselves about how this thread is a troll thread and even make their own thread
>When the thread without them proves to be the better thread, they come here and show off just how much they can autistically shitpost in embarrassed frustration

There. Now, if the trolls continue, they'll understand that everyone already knows what they're demonstrating.
Anonymous No.96825596 [Report] >>96825848
>>96825579
I'm confused, the other thread is the one made to return /osrg/ to its roots and this one is the one that has an OP made to redefine the general, but you seem to be talking as if this is the good thread? IDGI
Anonymous No.96825620 [Report]
And remember, these trolls are idiots, and post like they think anyone will believe a word they say when it's clear no one does.
Anonymous No.96825630 [Report]
While I have preferred to avoid posting in this obvious hijack thread, I'm finding it very amusing that fishfag has to finally deal with the misery he's been inflicting all over the board for years.

>~~gee, why won't people just leave my thread alone, this is so rude~~
Anonymous No.96825711 [Report]
>>96825579
Here here.
>>96823475
> (except if you're ok with "nobody has entered this room in a century but a shark is living there"
It's an adventure that really could benefit from some kind of insanity mechanic.
>AHHH A LIVING SHARK I'M GOING INSANE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
Anonymous No.96825768 [Report]
>>96824874
>I wouldnt expect something better from Cairn
I'm not sure I trust any designer who also has a blog.
Anonymous No.96825848 [Report]
>>96825596
>I'm confused,
Yes, you are confused
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/thread%20dedicated%20to%20TSR%20D%26D
>trve osrg OP = 919 results
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/thread%20dedicated%20to%20first-decade%20Gygaxian%20D%26D
>hijacked OP = 10 results
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/thread%20dedicated%20to%20first-decade%20Gygaxian%20D%26D
>Later editions gatekeeping OP = 2 threads one of which isn't even a real thread
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/Later%20editions%20(2e%20and%20newer)%20should%20be%20discussed%20elsewhere
Anonymous No.96825953 [Report]
Better, more accurate search results:
The standard OP that's been used for nearly a decade: 643 results
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/thread%20dedicated%20to%20TSR%20D%26D%20first%20decade/type/op/

Miscellaneous D&D-related generals, assorted half-assed /osrg/ OPs, and a fair number of this troll's hijack threads: 209
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/thread%20dedicated%20to%20TSR%20D%26D%20-%22first%20decade%22/type/op/

This thread was made when the old one was on page 5, to hijack because the OP text was being tightened up to stop this faggot from claiming that his bullshit was on-topic if you just squinted real hard at the OP text
Anonymous No.96826066 [Report] >>96826215 >>96826270
>>96822674
>127 dice rolls
>>96825101
>120 actual rolls and left out another ~80.
How did anyone let things get that bad in a game?
Anonymous No.96826176 [Report]
>>96825579
>the thread without them proves to be the better thread
What on earth are you talking about? This thread contains literally nothing but shitpostmaxxing and embarrassing ignorance (like the samefagging sequence of posts about Castle Amber where somehow none of the "many", ""different"" anons is aware that the module has nothing to do with Zelazny or the Chronicles of Amber, kek). The non-troll thread is chill actual discussion of actual OSR games and campaigns.
Anonymous No.96826215 [Report]
>>96826066
>How did anyone let things get that bad in a game?
The short answer is that Yochai Gal is about as retarded as Fishfag.
Anonymous No.96826270 [Report]
>>96826066
Make a mistake and then just keep making it.
Anonymous No.96826321 [Report] >>96840769
>>96819993
Better question is what's the ugliest looking book.
Anonymous No.96826644 [Report] >>96827498
>>96822693
OSE books are just semi-compentant in a world where ass-backwards book design is the standard.
Anonymous No.96827102 [Report]
>>96820675
This video raped my algorithm.
Anonymous No.96827498 [Report]
>>96826644
Anonymous No.96827882 [Report] >>96828383 >>96828434 >>96829484
Is first edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons considered OSR?
Anonymous No.96827963 [Report] >>96828031 >>96828342
Question
Is swinging a torch at a wild animal (Let's say, a wolf, for example. Or a giant rat,) Is that enough to cause them to make a morale check?
Anonymous No.96828031 [Report]
>>96827963
I would say yes, because FIRE BAD!
Anonymous No.96828342 [Report]
>>96827963
Morale checks are for when a side is losing and their spirit is broken, more on the level of killing one of the pack rather than just brandishing a torch.
But it's really up to you. You can even skip the check altogether and just make the animals act like you would imagine they'd act. If the wolves/giant rats are not particularly hungry, they might have no reason to attack in the first place, torch or no torch. And, if they're on the fence of whether they should fight or flee, the torch might be the tipping factor.
Anonymous No.96828379 [Report]
>>96825575
I'm OP and I made this thread. It sucks.
Anonymous No.96828383 [Report]
>>96827882
No, BCEMI only.
Anonymous No.96828434 [Report] >>96828776
>>96827882
>TSR D&D, derived systems, and all content compatible with them.
It's the 2nd most OSR game there is.
Anonymous No.96828776 [Report] >>96829502
>>96828434
OS games are not OSR games, they are OS games
OS games are OSR relevant of course
Anonymous No.96829484 [Report] >>96829488
>>96827882
No. Only games published in the last twenty years or so are OSR. OD&D is just OD&D, B/X is B/X, AD&D is AD&D, and AD&D 2e is regurgitated dogshit for the storygaming special education kids of Satanic Panic moms.
Anonymous No.96829488 [Report] >>96829490
>>96829484
Based.
Anonymous No.96829490 [Report]
>>96829488
Thank you.
Anonymous No.96829502 [Report] >>96829510
>>96828776
Correct. And AD&D 2e is MASN Middle-Aged Special Needs.
Anonymous No.96829510 [Report] >>96829514
>>96829502
No, I think it's MASES Middle-Aged Special Education School.
Anonymous No.96829514 [Report]
>>96829510
Right. And the movement to revive it is MASER Middle-Aged Special Education Retardation.
Anonymous No.96829656 [Report] >>96829894 >>96830061 >>96830678
can i play any of these by myself? what is that called so i can search for it? single player d&d or? i really prefer the d10 system is there single player wod? haven't roleplayed since the early 00s.
Anonymous No.96829894 [Report] >>96830495
>>96829656
>i really prefer the d10 system
What's that?
Anonymous No.96830061 [Report] >>96830137
>>96829656
it's called solo-play
there is a thread that can help you >>96761554
there are also a lot of youtube channels that have good solo-play primer materials
>geek gamers
>Bandit's keep
>my myself and die

playing Old-school systems works pretty good
>https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/127180/scarlet-heroes
is particularly tailored for solo play if you want an old-school system

I have my doubts if WoD is good for solo play, you can try asking the WoD general

good luck
Anonymous No.96830137 [Report]
>>96830061
thanks anon, ill check it out
Anonymous No.96830495 [Report]
>>96829894
Storyteller
Anonymous No.96830622 [Report] >>96831728
>>96817329
I got into OSR specifically because the rules are easy and I bounced of modern RPGs and their unholy obsession with "rules for everything, no rule and you can't do it".
>>96815917
Misplaced elitism
Anonymous No.96830678 [Report]
>>96829656
I'd highly recommend buying and reading Mythic GME (1st edition is fine, it's cheaper too). It explains a lot of how to play any system you want solo.
If you want a quick and dirty ezpz way of figuring out what's going on in your game then use this in whatever way seems intuitive to you - https://jamesturneronline.net/game-masters-apprentice/
Helps if you've GM'd before, but if you haven't then maybe read up on that a little bit. Just avoid advice geared towards DnD5e and Pathfinder stuff, it generally doesn't apply and you're likely to get confused by it.
Like anon said, check out the solorpg thread and ask questions there, they're helpful and the post quality is much better than here.
Anonymous No.96831637 [Report] >>96832318
>>96824990
No problem.
Have the raw rules for initiative in AD&D 2e:
https://idiscepolidellamanticora.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/addict.pdf
Have fun.
Anonymous No.96831728 [Report]
>>96830622
>Misplaced elitism
There's something really special about the sort of person who puts all his pride into being autistic.
Anonymous No.96832318 [Report] >>96832864 >>96833371
>>96831637
>2e
look inside
>picrel
what did anon mean by this?

anyway thanks for contribution to the thread
Anonymous No.96832864 [Report] >>96833291
>>96832318
>what did anon mean by this?
It means he's retarded, as should be obvious from the fact that he's a 2etard. ADDICT is for the real AD&D, not for the storygaming knockoff.
Anonymous No.96833291 [Report] >>96833978
>>96832864
>2etard
I wonder if you know what reply chains are
Anonymous No.96833311 [Report]
>>96816344
Based.
Anonymous No.96833371 [Report] >>96834079
>>96832318
>2e
What difference does that make if, as local 2efags lmao – as if there are more than one insist, there are no major mechanical differences between 1e and 2e? Presumably if they're identical the 1e initiative document will work just exactly as well for 2e.
Anonymous No.96833689 [Report] >>96834043
What is it with this sperg asshole?
Anonymous No.96833978 [Report]
>>96833291
I don't follow reply chains in this thread, I just enjoy the opportunity to shit on 2e and 2etards now that it's finally on topic for me to do so. I'm loving this general, thanks for creating it. We should make it a regular.
Anonymous No.96834043 [Report]
>>96833689
he thought he could shit on 2e when someone shat on his fav system proving it unusable RAW once again
turns out he just shat on his intellectual capabilities and now he is in damage-control/seethe/cope mode
Anonymous No.96834079 [Report] >>96834147 >>96834169 >>96834184 >>96834280
>>96833371
>What difference does that make
I don't think anyone in this thread or any previous generals in fact is particularly found of 2e
people are just tired of your behavior and love to see you seethe as a consequence
just learn to behave yourself, that's literally it

someone asks about a game you consider off topic, no need to 200-post-sperg out, just walk by
the thread will be infinitely more usable and pleasant
Anonymous No.96834147 [Report] >>96834173
>>96834079
Lmao, why don't you just walk by when you see someone correctly point out 2e isn't an OSR game and is off-topic in /osrg/?

But you can't help yourself, can you?

>200-post-sperg out
Without your own 200-post spergout over the new consensus OP, this thread would have 36 replies (and not exist). Take your own advice.
Anonymous No.96834169 [Report] >>96834208 >>96834218
>>96834079
I like 2e. Lots of people are fond of it, and judging by numbers like posts on Dragonsfoot it's probably as popular as OD&D.
Anonymous No.96834173 [Report]
>>96834147
You're not allowed to point out that fishfag is an utter hypocrite. That's using facts.

>I don't think anyone in this thread or any previous generals in fact is particularly found of 2e

At least he admits it at last, as if his utter failure to post anything useful or distinctive about 2e in the multiple years he's been obsessively trolling the general with his offtopic bullshit weren't already an indication.
Anonymous No.96834184 [Report] >>96834202
>>96834079
You really need to stop replying to that troll already.
Anonymous No.96834202 [Report]
>>96834184
You're the troll.
Anonymous No.96834208 [Report] >>96834390 >>96835994
>>96834169
Lots of people are fond of scat porn too.
Anonymous No.96834218 [Report] >>96834867
>>96834169
it's more popular than acks that's for sure
Anonymous No.96834280 [Report] >>96834381 >>96834880 >>96835823 >>96840212
>>96834079
I've seen lots of people discuss 2e positively in the /osrg/, even with our resident hyper-psychotic asshole retard trying to stop them.

For some, it may be personal nostalgia. For others, the clear writing and rules are enough to warrant a preference. Or maybe it's the way the game opened up and allowed even more diverse playstyles, leading to things like Birthright or Dark Sun. There's lots to like about 2e, and it's very much foundational to the OSR.

I don't think you should allow that guy's poison to seep into you. He's the guy who is primarily motivated by hatred, and look what that's turned him into. As much as everyone hates him, no one should really bother with him, and all his shitposts are doing is showing this board how much hate is inside him. I don't think there's anyone left who's stupid enough to be reading them.
Anonymous No.96834381 [Report] >>96834455
>>96834280
Part of why i like 2e is there's a lot less gygax-worship in the discussions. It's more "What's the most fun way to do things?" vs. "What's the way some idiots misinterpret what gygax meant and then try to impose that like it's a universal law?"
People who appeal to authority are always dumb fags.
Anonymous No.96834390 [Report] >>96834404
>>96834208
The level of disconnected insanity and retardation needed to draw that comparison is astounding.
Anonymous No.96834404 [Report]
>>96834390
You're supposed to ignore him.
Anonymous No.96834455 [Report] >>96834886 >>96835174
>>96834381
I think it might be better to focus on the more wholesome reasons to like 2e, and not the culture war stuff.

Like the art.
The art in the 2e books is some of the best D&D art, period.
Anonymous No.96834867 [Report]
>>96834218
Only because it rode on the IP created by Gygax and Arneson. Nobody would have given a shit if it had been called something else.
Anonymous No.96834880 [Report] >>96834970
>>96834280
>it's very much foundational to the OSR
ROTFLMAO
Anonymous No.96834886 [Report] >>96835108 >>96835184
>>96834455
>Like the art.
Anonymous No.96834970 [Report] >>96834984
>>96834880
You ought to know better than to respond to such obvious bait. Just quietly note that he's clearly gone completely off his head from the creation of the new consensus OP text and enjoy it calmly.
Anonymous No.96834984 [Report]
>>96834970
Y-you're feeding the troll!
Anonymous No.96835108 [Report]
>>96834886
That guy looks pretty fucking awesome.
He can definitely hang out with us.
Anonymous No.96835174 [Report] >>96837533
>>96834455
It can be hit and miss, but I do like it when it hits.
Anonymous No.96835184 [Report]
>>96834886
I love Giff.
Anonymous No.96835823 [Report] >>96835973 >>96840040
>>96834280
I personally prefer 2e and don't get the hate towards it. However 1e is still good and I don't have anything against it either.

This pisses off the puritans
Anonymous No.96835973 [Report]
>>96835823
>don't get the hate towards it.
You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed towards the door, but you didn't have the guts to go to reddit
Anonymous No.96835994 [Report] >>96836579
>>96834208
You've got done weird kinks, anon
Anonymous No.96836579 [Report]
>>96835994
I love AD&D 2e and scat porn, not sure what's supposed to be weird about it. Also I'm a millennial, not a kid.
Anonymous No.96837533 [Report]
>>96835174
That mindflayer is pretty slick.
Anonymous No.96839760 [Report] >>96839832 >>96839840 >>96839928 >>96840025 >>96840061 >>96840794
Today was session 53 of my BFRPG campaign.
A new player came today and rolled up a cleric of "The Hundred Gods". Players spent some time in town having some items identified and purchasing a healing potion from the local herbalist. They set out to follow the steps they took last time to get further into the dungeon, but before they did, they realized that there was a door in this one hallway that they've never opened. Of course, when they opened it they found that it housed a bunch of evil acolytes of Shai-Itah! (This campaign world's equivalent to satan.) They managed to subdue the one of the acolytes and interrogated him to learn that the northwestern corner of this region of the dungeon belonged to a powerful cleric. they contemplated going and hunting him down, but ultimately decided against it.
They ended up tracking the path that they took last time and found themselves in a winding labyrinth guided by a stream. Some peaceful mushroom people told them that if they followed the stream that it would take them to a subterranean river, which they could follow to get to a dwarven settlement. They followed the stream until they came to a huge chamber where creepy pod monsters tended to massive fungal sacks which digested people and animals... They snuck carefully through this room until they came to the entrance of a brick hallway on the other side of the chamber... But sadly this is where our session had to end for today.

They only had one character death today, a poor dwarf named "Urst Toughnugget" was swarmed by zombies and had his guts ripped out.
sage No.96839832 [Report]
>>96839760
Why are you posting in this thread? You're perfectly welcome in the real one
Anonymous No.96839840 [Report] >>96840400
>>96839760
Why are you posting in this thread? You're perfectly welcome in the real one
try this again, I had name field saved from a whole different thread where I put sage in the wrong field, lol
Anonymous No.96839928 [Report]
>>96839760
>They only had one character death today, a poor dwarf named "Urst Toughnugget" was swarmed by zombies and had his guts ripped out.
Kinda impressed that this actually happens in other groups. I don't think I've seen a PC kick the bucket in five years, and I don't know if it's because my group is lucky/cautious or if sneaky business is happening behind the scenes.
Anonymous No.96840025 [Report]
>>96839760
>Some peaceful mushroom people told them that if they followed the stream that it would take them to a subterranean river, which they could follow to get to a dwarven settlement.
>They followed the stream until they came to a huge chamber where creepy pod monsters tended to massive fungal sacks which digested people and animals.

Those treacherous mushroom folk.

Can't ever trust fungus.

They should have grilled them for all the information they had.

Then grilled them for rations.
Anonymous No.96840040 [Report]
>>96835823
>don't get the hate towards it.
I'm betting it's just gygax cock-gobbling taken to the extreme.
Anonymous No.96840061 [Report]
>>96839760
An interesting read as always anon,
>They only had one character death today
RIP
Anonymous No.96840212 [Report] >>96840245 >>96840265 >>96840394 >>96840411 >>96840433 >>96842182
>>96834280
I like 2e because it was a step forward in terms of design. There's a lot of stuff in 1e that grognards cling to that doesn't actually improve the game, and 2e replaces them while still usually offering the option to use the original rules anywhere that some still wants. Back in the day, the transition from 1e to 2e was almost total: something like 90%+ of groups switched over to the new edition, with almost none of this newfangled edition warring. Maybe it's because it happened before the age of the internet, but it's really weird to see people looking back at games decades in the past and trying to start fights over them.
Anonymous No.96840245 [Report]
>>96840212
>it was a step forward in terms of design
top kek
Anonymous No.96840265 [Report]
>>96840212
If this is the case, why didn't the AD&D 2e team understand the purpose of alignments?
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96803352/#96805019
Anonymous No.96840394 [Report] >>96840604
>>96840212
Every edition has always had its bitches.

Even 2e had fans crying about how 3e was the death of role playing games forever. One letter to Dragon magazine was crying about every change that 3e made and why they were objectively bad. And 3e had people saying the same about 4e, and 4e about 4e essentials, and so on.

I wish people could just be... fair. Evaluate games and rules without agenda or bias.

But some guys think they have a lot riding on people playing the game they like over the game they don't like. So, they bitch.
Anonymous No.96840400 [Report]
>>96839840
Roses are red
Violets are blue,
Sage goes in all fields
And 2e is poo.
Anonymous No.96840411 [Report]
>>96840212
>2e was a step forward in terms of design
Anonymous No.96840433 [Report]
>>96840212
Anonymous No.96840604 [Report]
>>96840394
>I wish people could just be... fair. Evaluate games and rules without agenda or bias.
The problem is that when someone does this, he invariably concludes that 2e is the worst edition of D&D by some margin. Then you piss and shit yourself and flail around in the puddle.
Anonymous No.96840769 [Report]
>>96826321
>ugliest looking book
this goes hard though, wtf.
Anonymous No.96840794 [Report]
>>96839760
>"Urst Toughnugget" was swarmed by zombies and had his guts ripped out.
Happy Halloween I guess.
Anonymous No.96840929 [Report] >>96841095 >>96841391
What's the best system for generating a dungeon on the fly?
Anonymous No.96841095 [Report] >>96841107 >>96842467
>>96840929
Don't know the best system,
but do know the best tool.
https://donjon.bin.sh/
Anonymous No.96841107 [Report]
>>96841095
Thanks that's what I was looking for.
Anonymous No.96841391 [Report]
>>96840929
Appendix A
Anonymous No.96841920 [Report] >>96841966 >>96842119
The zero prep 3lbb+chainmail+grayhawk campaign had its third session.

This time we got to play some Chainmail! The party went to the wizard and he informed them of a small army of 70 gnolls camping near one of the villages. And the treasure of a staff of healing within their lair. The party reqruited some 30 villagers. Outnumbered they planned out sime querilla tactics but while scouting the enemy camp, the random encounter table gave some 20 berserkers. The party magic user used the carm spell to make an alliance with these barbarian leader. The next night the gnolls sallied forth most of their forces to raid the villagers so the armies met on the field. The heroes were victorious, but a few gnolls ran away to get the rest of them from the lair. A second battle took place again for the victory of the heroes.

Then a decent into the lair. In the dungeon the party found prisoners but the magic user died when attacked by the guards. (New character rolled from one of the prisoners this time an elf). Then the party found the shaman with the staff of healing but quickly dealt with him. Then the random encounter table fucked them over with 8 giant scorpions (hd2). The fight was brutal and only the paladin survived and returned to the surface with some loot and to take the men at arms home. The gnoll king is still in there planning his revenge.

Chainmail was really fun to run. The players enjoyed it also. Going to roll some random dungeon monsters for the gnoll king to hire to keep the dungeon fresh.
Anonymous No.96841966 [Report]
>>96841920
Geez that's a lot of people dying.
Anonymous No.96842119 [Report]
>>96841920
>The party reqruited some 30 villagers.
I always enjoy some Seven Samurai action.
Anonymous No.96842182 [Report] >>96842190 >>96842479
>>96840212
One thing I prefer about 2e is that it's less reliant on treasure being the only real source of xp. 1e necessitates Monty Haul type campaigns where the DM has to give out ridiculous amounts of loot so that the PC's have a chance of reaching higher levels.
Anonymous No.96842190 [Report] >>96842251
>>96842182
That's not what Monty Haul means at all. Reminder that Gygax and crew coined the term "Monty Haul" for people who were running their game wrong.
Anonymous No.96842251 [Report] >>96842267
>>96842190
The "overly generous DM" problem actually originated from modules, some of which Gygax wrote, that gave way too much treasure and set a standard that many DMs followed. Remember: for anything that Gygax ever said, there's also a quote or example that contradicts him.

Even the whole "Why do we keep finding huge piles of treasures in weird places" that's a symptom of gold tied to XP had Gygax originally trying to just explain it away with "look it's just part of it being a game, OK?!", followed by him trying to figure out alternatives, including ultimately landing upon him favoring a "merit" based XP system that basically just prescribed an hourly rate of XP awards the GM should aim for.
Anonymous No.96842267 [Report] >>96842321
>>96842251
>favoring a "merit" based XP system that basically just prescribed an hourly rate of XP awards the GM should aim for.
Absolute garbage
Anonymous No.96842321 [Report] >>96842369
>>96842267
Gygax's RPG career is bizarre, especially when he always had to promote each new game as "fixing" everything wrong with the previous one. There were a lot of extreme changes in his design philosophy over the years.
Anonymous No.96842369 [Report]
>>96842321
Yeah, this is why /osrg/ is about rediscovering early D&D and not lionizing whatever brainfarts Gygax had beyond that.
Anonymous No.96842467 [Report]
>>96841095
wow anon, thanks for sharing
Anonymous No.96842479 [Report]
>>96842182
Yeah but there's also a lot of things to spend said money on. Remember this is a wargame and you are supposed to have a tons of hirelings and followers, build castles and other monthly costs. Spell research and alchemy is a huge money sink. Throwing away xp as gold and the huge piles of treasure means players dont ever get to experience like half of the game.