Thread 96837162

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>>96804587

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd,
HeroClix, Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,
Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.
Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,
OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg

>Hobby Challenge theme for October
https://strawpoll.com/GPgVYBPYEna/results

>TQ
What alternative wargame has the best original worldbuilding?

>>96837162 (OP)
>What alternative wargame has the best original worldbuilding?
It's Quar I'm afraid

>received some ordered miniatures today

>foot knights
>mounted knights
>serjeants
>peasants
>oathmark orcs
>frostgrave cultists 2 & 3

Time to kitbash some nice pseudo-historical medieval warbands.

>>96837396
Do you have any specific rulesets in mind for them?

>>96837224
why are you afraid

Anyone have scans of all the Warcrow stuff?

Was Death Fields not an actual wargame until this year or something? I'm just skimming through plastic proxies and it seemed like the flavor text for Wargames Atlantic's miniatures had a decent premise at least.

>>96837568
Yes, it was just a loose grouping of sci fi military miniatures until two months ago when they made the rule set.

>>96837568
The rules stuff they put out sucks major butthole

>>96837603
>>96837592
I see. That's a pity.

>>96837396
>>peasants
What peasants did you get?

>>96837780
Cannot tell they are all covered in mud and shit.

>>96838229
Nice

>>96838229
You should wash them before priming, silly

>>96838238
Extra points when the most popular weapon is a crossbow that behaves like a modern gun.

>>96836315
>The drove pastebin is also notoriously out of date.
I don't have access to that pastebin.
>>96836272
>NTA but I had no idea someone is still maintaining those lists.
I do my best. The odious troll has been running off most of the old hands who actually contribute shit, which is all the more reason you should just report/ignore it when it starts spouting off

>>96837568
>Was Death Fields not an actual wargame until this year or something?
It was very much one of those "excuse rulesets" a company claims to have to justify making a shitload of 40k/WHF proxies. Iron-Kore is the exact same kind of thing. Kings of War and WarEngine started out that way but branched out later

>>96837780
Likely the Fireforge ones, it's a decent plastic set. I've debated snagging their peasant zombies for a while, but I already have more than enough for anything but that medieval hack for Last Days.

>>96838596
>Likely the Fireforge ones, it's a decent plastic set
I have some that have been sitting since their Kickstarter that I've never gotten around to. Soon hopefully.

>>96837568
The rules were always planned but they've only just got round to doing them, not sure why - maybe because when they were starting out they didn't have enough slack capacity?

Personally, the concept doesn't interest me. I did read a playthrough of the alpha rules and it does have an interesting wounds / morale / initiative system where figures gain and lose confidence over time which affects their abilities).

However, the only opinions of it I have seen on /awg/ are single sentence "This sucks kill yourself" posts, so I assume they're all by that guy who goes ballistic anytime WGA is mentioned.

>>96837162 (OP)
Sentries look great with that clear plastic

Who makes the best villagers and why is it wargames atlantic?

>>96839208
I was at the booth at SPIEL yesterday and I really wanted to like the game, but I doubt that it will go anywhere. Archon really delivered with the miniature quality, but the video game proportions do not look good in 32mm imho. I guess 15mm or smaller would have worked better aesthetic wise, though I get why they went 32mm. I think it generally sufferes from the fact that starcraft evolved for RTS pvp for 30 years, while 40k refined itself for the tabletop. And it kind of needs to beat 40k somehwere, because that is where you want to get a huge part of you playerbase from. I just can't imagine why anyone would leave 40k for a game less grimdark, when you can go full grimdark and go fro trench crusade.
I don't know the potential player base for a game like this, but I'd have done a demonworld kind of game, with hexes and small scale miniatures and maybe capture the base building somehow.
Maybe the rules are so good though, that they are enough of a reason to play it...

>>96839331

Honestly, of all the Blizzard properties to make a tabletop game, I personally would have gone for Diablo. Something more along the lines of FFG's old Descent boardgame perhaps.
Or fuck, if you're absolutely wedded to 32mm, try to attract the MCP market and a massive crossover game based on HotS.

>>96839331
Grimdark is just a meme at this point, Space Marines are super heroes, Primarchs are returning and so on. There's plenty of hope in this setting now so how grimdark it really is? Also not everyone is into grimdarkness, a lot of people are into coolness and SC has a lot of it.
From what they said on their AMA streams the game is shaping to be a good beer game - not as narrative as 40k, quick to set up, simple to pick up but still deep enough to not get boring quickly and pull some sneaky stuff on your friends. I guess they are aiming at casuals and new people, not necessarily at Warhammer vets.
No one is going to switch completelly to SC but it's going to have it's fanbase for sure.

>>96839208
So if the game is 32mm (blegh), how tall are the protoss gonna be? I'm kinda liking the zealots I've seen but I'm wondering if they'll look bad next to nonstarcraft 28mm dudes. Particularly since I only plan on buying some figures and not getting into the whole game. >>96839208

>>96839566
I used to be really into 40k orks and because of that I never once have associated 40k with grimdark. The whole thing is too silly even if you remove orks. Years into it someone said it was grimdark and I laughed because I thought he was joking. He was dead serious and it created very awkward tension.

>>96837396
Just keep in mind that greathelms cannot be used in a dark age setting

>>96839566
It needs a player base to support full plastic releases. It can't get by with your average /awg/ player base. I think it aims somehwere at a top 3 non-GW player base.

>>96839420
HotS would have been perfect as a reskin for their MotU game and then later on branch out into full star craft skirmish. It also has 10 times the player base that star craft 2 has. Might be hard to get the license though.

>>96839696
I'm not sure. I know Marines are Primaris size but I don't have any photos of Zealots next to them. I'm guessing around head taller than a Primaris.

>>96838596
>I don't have access to that pastebin
Yeah, it's a couple years old now, I'd be surprised if the anon who made it is still around.
Then again, this board has some lead-rotten relics still posting on it, so who knows.

I reckon our best bet is to just redo it or take it out of the copypasta, as we'd have to track down and reupload all of those files anyway.

>>96838748
Yeah, they're probably serviceable. I don't see them getting much traction anyway, given how little lore and interesting art the setting has. The Quar and Last War, on the other hand, are more popular and interesting for the general public, and it shows.

>>96839420
A Diablo board game would honestly go hard, more so if they went with the D1 and D2 designs for that old school vibe.

>>96839566
Yeah, grimdark got popular because of stuff like the 28mag, however, it's not something that gw has really embraced for over a decade now. It's a relic of 3rd-5th edition 40k, yet newer fans treat it as though it was the ultimate truth of the setting.
Current 40k feels almost opposite to 2nd ed, as the setting is extremely light and heroic with a (somewhat) dark aesthetic.

>>96839868
> Diablo Board Game
Archon is making a board game out of Quake so yeah, now that they are working with Blizzard I can see them doing something like that with Diablo. But more than anything I want a Warcraft 3 wargame.

>>96839999

I would love a comprehensive Warcraft 3 game... especially someone turned around and used the models to make tabletop DOTA.

>>96839331
dont let jarek read this

>>96837224
fpbp

What are your favorite off-brand sci fi troopers miniatures?

>>96839712
In the Rogue Trader days I played a Jokaero and my friend played a human smuggler, our relationship heavily based on Every Which Way but Loose. If you had told me people would be having serious discussions about what primarch could whup who's ass or any of the tragic 40k threads that make up this board I wouldnt have believed you.

There was a short lived skirmish game from 2-5 years ago that was a weird war ww2 themed with Frankenstein-esque mad scientists. I believe the minis were metal and of mid range sculpting. I’m pretty sure the game failed. Shot in the dark does anyone know what I’m talking about?

I watched an Oathmark battle report and it was quite enjoyable. Another game for the table.

>>96842186
Have you seen the solo narrative campaign reports by Ash and Stone? Long series of series, going on 4 years now, peak comfy hobbying stuff

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH7K0suP0aStihteXwRR6__ZvPAYvEj11

>>96842273
I have not, but the video I watched was from Ash and Stone and it really sold me on the game. The dude(s?) playing and making the video clearly enjoyed the game greatly. Thank you, Anon.

WotC Chainmail skirmish game. Has anyone played it? (Long dead.) I never even heard of it toll now. I tracked down some random sculpts from a sale and they're quite fun.

>>96840219
WGA Les Grognards are the ones I have the most of, followed by WGF Shock Troopers.

I really like Stargrave kits for how versatile and easy to kitbash they are. A simple headswap and a new gun can work wonders.

>>96839806
>Marines are Primaris size but I don't have any photos of Zealots next to them. I'm guessing around head taller than a Primaris.
I guess this early they don't want to be comparing to 40k toys as a company, but I really want a decent scale comparison photo set.
Zealots a head taller than Primaris makes them an acceptable size for short-stature killbots at 54mm, with a little bit of basing to lift them.

Fresh photo of the marqette included with the preorders for the oathmark heavy human infantry.

>>96843044
And the Cultist III box. They literally let you make Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre if you want.

>>96839734
Good thing we're not in /hwg/ then.

Since we have some talk goign regarding Blizzard IPs, any miniatures that would make for good Warcraft proxies?

For example Zealot Miniatures' Siege Minotaur as a Tauren Warrior, Hasslefree's Brooding Elf Lord as a Blood Elf Warrior, or GW's Xandire's sigmarines as human paladins.

I am drawing a blank for proxies for undead priests, or undead in general, and orcs, particularly shamans. GW's are too wide off the mark I feel.

STLs accepted.

>>96840219
Easily Urban War Viridians. They are metal, and what I hoped WGA would gravitate towards with their sets, but their off brand 40k stuff is just too bland for me.

>>96843131
Put on any orc bodies.

https://en.momminiatures.com/product-page/orc-shaman-3
https://en.momminiatures.com/product-page/orc-warboss

>>96843179
Oh I do have the first one from MOM, and yeah, that would make for a nice Orc... Warlock. For Shamans it is hard to find anything, less outright evil and more spiritual/in tune with the elements mood.

>>96843131
>ad photo
>bent barrel
Lads...

Urban War has some of the best not-too-distant future military scifi designs, I think.

>>96837483
Short answer is no one cares about Warcrow. Sorry anon.

>>96843367
False.

>>96843372
Cool.

>>96837396
Did you get the Victrix or WGA foot knights and sergeants?

>>96843080
NTA but why does history make you seethe? I see you shitting up the general by throwing a tantrum about history or /hwg/ in every thread

>>96843609
Nta but why does it matter what helmets a guy's fantasy dudes have? It's such an autistic and stupid thing to argue about

>>96843637
>autistic and stupid
Is that not the point of 4chan and a defining characteristic of its userbase?

>>96843609
stfu and go back to /hwg/ retard.

>>96843644
No, it really isn't and if you think so you can go back to wherever you came from.

>>96843651
>>96843645
>>96843637
Stop replying to that idiot. He got bashed in /hwg/ just a day ago so he started to shit up /awg/ again. Why are you even responding to an obvious troll?

>>96843609
It's a bit silly considering all the great fantasy writers and creators were students of history and took a lot of inspiration from history. Compare classic Warhammer Fantasy which is heavily inspired by history with modern Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar which is written by millennials with zero understanding of history. Compare classic DnD with modern 5e DnD. The difference is stark. Tolkien, R.E Howard, OG Warhammer guys, GRR Martin, Lovecraft, Carrol, Gygax, etc. and pretty much everyone else who defined modern fantasy enjoyed and understood history and borrowed from it's themes.
If you are angry at history you aren't a real fantasy enjoyers and you're a midwit pseud.

>>96843681
>any conversation that isnt sterile bland repetitive talking points is a troll
Maybe you should have stayed on reddit if you care about policing discussion so much, nigger loving faggot

@96843699
Bait so thick it gets million hits on Tiktok

>>96843712
>>96843732
Anyone who posts and writes like this is not posting in good faith. This website is becoming unbearable with these bad actors ruining every thread.

Are this good poses or could be better?

@96843770
>Not giving (you)s to a bait is actually worse than said bait!

>>96843770
It's weird, that specific posting style. In my 15 yeas on 4chan I've never seen in before a year or so ago, and it's only used by people who engage in arguments. The twitter/tiktok style "@" is odd, as is manually typing out the post number

>>96843821
>In my 15 yeas on 4chan I've never seen in before a year or so ago
Lurk more then.
>as is manually typing out the post number
Imagine being this stupid and thinking people type the number manually rather than just click on the number and replace >> with @. Jesus, newfags larping as oldfags are so stupid, open the schools or something.

>>96843838
>more arguing
Thank you for reinforcing my hypothesis

>Say something incredibly stupid
>Be surprised people shit on you for saying stupid things

>>96843131
>can we have helgast
>no we have helgast at home
>helgast at home:
Love how derpy they look

I can't find the base size for the horrors anywhere in the rules. Can i choose any size of miniature to represent a horror?

>>96844284
Yeah. There's no recommended base sizes, just do what makes sense. Some of the minis in the photos of the rulebook don't even have bases.

>>96843699
This. Even the great slop writers like GRRM researched history.

>>96843796
Are they good poses? No.
But they'd iconic for those cartoon characters.

>>96844284
You just make it up in your own. Like the movement rules.
Fuck do I hate modern slop games.

>>96844452
Not having defined base sizes is peak old-school tho

>>96844465
Indeed. So is mixing up your keywords with your regular words but I don't really want to go back this road.

>>96843131
These are cool as fuck. These might be my favorite sci-fi troopers I've ever seen posted.

>>96839208
I'm actually gonna buy this stuff. I've always wanted protoss miniatures.

I am making my own wargame with downloadable STL files etc. Already got loads of models and concept images ready. Would Kickstarted be a good way to go for getting more funds to get it going?

I hope zerglings will be cheap. As in CHEAP cheap. I might have a need for a few hundreads.

>>96845362
Probably.

>>96845362
It's a bronze age game.

>>96845614
bronze age? No man why would it?

>>96845362
Post some pics

>>96845362
Show us. Also, why do you need funds for a personal project? No one gets paid to do their hobbies

>>96845620
Luv bronze age, simple as.

>>96845711
Am just in starting phase, trying to turn the basic concept images into 3d models now.. gonna be eras from prehistoric to modern. Trying first prints now but think I might need a new 3d printer

>>96845745
Yeah was just wondering for future if enough people like it could be cool to actually throw it on kickstarted for physical stuff.

>>96845850
yeah same bronze age is kino. Am now working on having 6 factions, basically all eras throughout history. Prehistorics, hellenistic, dark ages, renaissance/enlightement/world wars (mostly ww1 vibe) and modern/futuristic

>>96845858
Rhere's no big risk giving KS a try. Don't underestimate the importance of marketing and don't fall into the usual pitfall of promising more and more stuff just so you can smash your stretchgoals.

>>96845851
I'm gonna be honest - I would never pay for AI models based on AI concepts.
You need an artistic vision and some art skills to not make this look like a generic slop, you need some artsy understanding of how details should be spread etc. Making something is not about clicking on "generate" and picking something from hundreds generated illustrations, saying "yeah, that's good enough". No wonder you got "loads of models and concepts"

>>96846289
I just want to make my passion for history into a wargame me and my mates can play. I am not going to hire some artist and spend a shitload of money on making 3d models if I can make perfectly fine stuff myself. Like I said having free stl files is great if people like to give it a go. I am just a single guy who does it for fun and am not inspiring to have some company tier art or models. Just want to create a easy to play wargame which is fun

>AI slop
>Kickstarter

Whoops god forgot to give someone a soul when they were born

Anyone played the halo wargame? I generally like what mantic does and saw it at a con last year. Looked pretty good.

>>96846574
It's basically Deadzone with weapon pickups and respawning

>>96846599
Yeah that's the inpression I got
Was it fun? I like dead zone quite a bit

>>96845851
Brother... This is not bronze age lmao, it's superhero capeshit

>>96845867
What you going with for Enlightenment

>>96846379
The best wargame I've seen in recent years can be played with paper squares. If you want to play a game, you need nothing. If you want to model, take the time to learn to model.

>>96843609
Button-counting dogfuckers don't belong in /awg/ and there's an Anon who's been consistently shitting up the place with it ever since he 90% killed /hwg/. Don't go shooting the victims.

>>96845101
So much of the stuff from the Heartbreaker crew is good. Those minis owe a lot to the Bauhaus Ducal Militia, especially the sergeant

>>96846937
>Victim Olympics
Grow up, manchild. No one is rivet counting on this thread.

Bros, what's teh best generic game for having a mage/big heroes, some monsters and some chaff/PBI?

>>96846969
Unironically Warhammer: The Old World, or Warhammer: Age of Sigmar

Midgard Heroic Battles might work as well

>>96846574
I’m disappointed it’s based around halo infinite’s multiplayer. My first choice would have been based on human covenant war plus the flood. And my second choice would have been halo 1’s multiplayer. It would be cool to play blood gulch on the tabletop. Infinite is so far down the list for me it’s sad. I’ll skip that one sadly.

Started building my Damned. The new APC kit is pretty nifty, a decent enough first attempt at a vehicle for WGA.
Pros:
>Easily swappable from armored to open-topped; parts just lift in and out, no magnets needed
>Good amount of options and extra parts; two hull guns, 2 optional pintle weapons (with or without gunner), 2 sets of seats, a filled rifle rack
>Guard rails seems much sturdier in person; plastic seems more flexible than GW so they'll likely just bend rather than snap
>Almost all gaps can be avoided if assembled well
>Unarmored bed more than large enough for a few minis or to mount a heavy weapon, allowing for an easy technical
>Good size and shape and a relatively generic aesthetic; useful on its own or as a proxy
>Probably will be relatively cheap
Cons:
>Harder plastic than GW, needed scraping and heavier sanding to remove sprue nubs
>Sprue attachment points in visible places; cleanup is both necessary and relatively slow
>Somewhat annoying to build; no instructions, few reference photos, and relatively few locating tabs/slots/shelves
>No good way I found to assemble the main cab; seems to want everything to go together at once rather than step by step
>Wheels can be assembled with tread mismatched from half to half; clean up time consuming as each of the 6 wheels have 3 nubs for each half; there's enough slop in the peg and socket for wheels not to align concentric with the axle
>The floor of the armored compartment needs to be removed for the unarmored bed to fully seat; you can trim the latter to fit but you'd essentially have to trim off the lip that locates and locks it in place
>The roof doors on the armored compartment have a small gap in the middle when closed; you can move them closer then the hinges will have a gap
Overall pretty happy. I got 3, 1 assembled and I've finished clipping the other 2 off their sprues. I have all the rest of the kits bar the cavalry and the raptor herders if anyone's curious about anything else.

>>96848062
Post some of the command options and the heavy infantry If you got to build some already.
They said that there will be an instruction for the truck soon. Probably before the standalone release.

>>96848062
wargames atlantic ah i am going insane

>>96848207
>Post some of the command options and the heavy infantry If you got to build some already.
Haven't got to building either yet I'm afraid though I can post sprue pics if you want 'em.
I've heard the Heavy Infantry have an issue with the gun cables not attaching to anything and just looking at the sprues I think that's right. Doesn't really affect me though since I was going to leave the cables off.
>They said that there will be an instruction for the truck soon. Probably before the standalone release.
Interesting. Shame I'll probably have all mine assembled before they put them out. Hopefully they'll do some for the artillery too since those look pretty complicated.

>>96848291
My Fireforge Sohei and Stargrave minis haven't shown up yet, otherwise I'd post those.

>>96848062
Looks so generic it hurts. The $9 toy car some anon posted last thread looked better

>>96848414
The only thing I don't like is the hull mounted gun in the front

>>96848062
Looks pretty nice. Hope it isn't too crazy at retail.

>>96848427
Yeah that's pretty stupid, like they tried to make a budget Stug. Also the hatches on the side, how are you even supposed to get inside when there are no ladder or a step ? The turret on top being just an M2 browning from the 1930s with zero attempt to make it look even slightly sci-fi is why wga gets criticized for being mid and low effort.
Anyways, the open top variant is kind cool and would be fun for some Stargrave scenarios. The APC version is just bad because of the hull mounted cannon. It doesn't look like a futuristic APC, it looks like it could be used as an industrial lunar vehicle for transporting crews around hazardous planets surfaces, but the Stug gun completely ruins that notion.

>>96848495
You can just leave the gun off I guess. And the M2 is just a heavy stubber. Also completely optional.

>>96848062
I like it. Might buy a few for transports for my not-Guard.

>>96843050
Northstar sculpts have really come a long way, these are great.

>>96845851
>AI shit
Rancid.

>>96846379
>if I can make perfectly fine stuff myself
You clearly can't, that's why you're using a machine to do some soulless shit. There's no passion in machine generation.

There's been a bunch of games by people from /tg/ that actually went somewhere, even if the production and art were semewhat crude at first. Planet28 by Nic Evans was born in this thread nearly a decade ago and now the guy handsculpts and sells his own minis, that's real passion.

>>96846969
I'm gonna shill for Dragon Rampant as usual, single model units allow your heroes to be as strong as an entire unit of infantry, the rules are light but very customizable.

>dragon rampant second edition
Huh, this is nice. Maybe not $35 nice, but it has much better presentation and my lizard brain wants to paint figures from reading it.

>>96848062
What are the hull gun options, Anon?

>>96848307
I've seen comments about the cables, but nobody has posted pictures of the issue yet. Aren't there some kind of battery packs in the sprue?
If not, that would be a colossal fuck-up from their side.
That actually made me think, they never showed the heavies (as well as some of the other sets) completely built.

So are there any rules for the October challenge, except theming? I didnt check scale of a print, when I bought it and got a 54mm semi-coomer vampire "mini" instead of more resonable 28mm scale one. It was supposed to be a party character either for Ranger of Shadowdeep or 5 miles from borderlands, but as it sands it can be used only as a monster/boss.

OP link says only that i must be something haloween themed so I should be ok in that regard, but I think being able to use said mini in a game without olympic level mental gymnastics was so obious, it wasnt stated

I pigged out and bought over 100 new miniatures at one go, victrix and north star.

>>96845362

You can just publish it in wargaming vault or itch.io.

Why do you need the Kickstarter if you already have rules and models? Just sell the stuff. You're not gonna have a million dollar Kickstarter, you're not Trench Crusade.

>>96846379
If your doing historical shit, why bother with minis? Why bother with minis? Why bother with minis at all? If you like game design just make the game mini agnostic. If you like modelling, just sell minis. I bet you cannot do both, you're not Sean Sutter.

And using AI for minis... That's a recipe to shitty minis with flimsy bits that don't print well. Learn modelling. Learn the limitations of 3D printing.

You also sound like a newb. Finish your first draft of the rules. Playtest it to shit (you should take at least three times more time to playtest it than to write it). Get shredded by your playtesters. Handle your tears and rage and go back to the manuscript. Do the process all over again. Do it at least half a dozen times and you'll probably have a half decent game.

>>96848949
>tfw no PDF yet
Sad times

>>96849279
List 'em, anon, sounds comfy.

>>96849293
I don't think he wants to just publish a game and see where that goes as much as he wants to get it funded and cash out without doing much work.

>>96849279
>over 100 new miniatures at one go, victrix and north star.
So that's what, one bag of Victrix and two boxes from Northststar?

>>96849409
>>96849446

Victrix dacians and armoured late Romans, planned kitbashing them as the two handed falxes look great and the late Roman kit comes with hundreds of helmeted heads. Stargrave automata, as the kit looks like it'll be a great joy to assemble and paint.

>>96849064
The hull guns are the large cannon I have in my pic and a dual flamer, pic related.

>>96849102
>I've seen comments about the cables, but nobody has posted pictures of the issue yet.
>Aren't there some kind of battery packs in the sprue?
The cylinders people were seeing were the rear canisters for some of the gas mask heads.
There's ONE backback that has a different style of canister hanging below it that has a tab that very clearly looks like it connects to the wires like you'd expect but, again, there's only the one on a sprue for 6 dudes. I suspect they planned the backpack to be universal to every gun/cable but - forgetting every guy would need one - only put the one on the sprue.
I'll try to build one today after I get off work to make sure.

>>96848495
>>96848427
I think it'd be easy enough to leave off the hull-mounted gun. The canvas gun wrap thing at the back just attaches to a recess in the plate you can milliput over.
I don't mind the front cannon since it sorta gives me Saint-Chammond vibes, like someone took a moon rover or cargo truck and tried to jury-rig a gun onto it.

>>96849279
100 miniatures isn't a lot for historical minis like Victrix, that's not really pigging out

Some GK sculptors are working on a Blue Archive miniatures game.

>>96850581
Imagine the porn addicted greaseballs who will be playing this gay shit lmfao

Anyone have DRAGON RAMPANT 2 PDF yet???

>>96850581
What are those techno-halos supposed to do in lore anyway?

I've been browsing solo sci-fi wargames and found a set I'm interested in (five parsecs bughunt, space station zero, and Horizon zero dark). Horizon zero dark looks the most promising, but can't find it anywhere in any of the share threads. Does anyone have experience with it solo? Reviews and videos I watch seem to point to the AI being good, but few details on actual campaign play.

>>96850717
Make you gacha summonable.

>>96848062
I think you put that chassis gun in upside-down, Anon.

>>96850751
Sent to NewVola.
I vaguely remember not particularly liking it, but not much about why. One issue was that some things were easy to cheese, and once I'd seen that it was hard to unsee it.

>>96850892
Thanks, will keep my eye peeled for it. I agree, seems to pop up in about half the reviews how easy the AI is to cheese. Kind of wish the review hadn't mentioned how the cheesing worked when I read it. Any game you recommend above it, trying to find a reason to paint up and play my scifi mini pile?

For the oval shields that come with the Late Roman sets from Victrix, up until when are they appropriate? I'd like to paint up a 5th to 9th century Byzantine army, would the oval shield have still been in use by then?

>>96851425
Meant this for the historical general, but still

>>96850581
On one hand BA attracts subhuman filth, on other hand I am starved for actual anime war/tabletop games.

>>96849921
>I'll try to build one today after I get off work to make sure.

Thanks. Looking forward to it.

Will there ever be heavy Goblins for Oathmark? Or Orc Cavalry?
Or did they say at any point that Orcs and Goblins belong together?

>>96851527
It could be cool. I guess the upcoming Gundam game is also anime.

>>96851753
It is, but it's more mecha (which is already a nicely diversified niche) rather than straight up anime characters. A few skirt by, like Anima did and Infinity sometimes does, but no games seems to commit.

Also how does this BA game play?

>>96837162 (OP)
When is Starcraft supposed to be coming out anyways?

>>96851753
Wow this is so fucking gay

>>96851949
You have to join the dude's Discord to find out which I refuse to do. The table size reminds me of Kill Team though.

>>96852085
Ah, he's into that subculture.
Yeah, can see why you would hesitate.

Shame people don't do blogs as much anymore, no consideration for what happens once your server is down or searchability/archival of your work.

>>96852085
The trans community is gonna love this shit

>>96852235
I’m pretty sure that’s been a thing for a while. The whole “anime become real” meme had a far more disturbing conclusion than I expected (which was already disturbing)

>>96852235
Kigus aren't trans
Transdimensional maybe

>>96852085
>join the dude's Discord
Fucking hate this shit.

>>96851753
prepainted and preassembled?

>>96852826
Yeah, it was done with a color printer based on the 3D models. No idea if the final models will be sold pre-colored though.

>>96852954
I delted my post because I thought i got it wrong,
but if printing color printing gets cheap, it could be an alternative for the people that dont want to paint.

>>96851753
Anime is very cringe outside of anime.

>>96853558
I think that color printing is cool. You can still prime and paint those models normally too. It's not like Wizkid's pre-paints where you need to strip off the rubbery Chinese factory worker paintjobs first.

>>96853659
maybe... maybe.. probably.
or at least from cringe to very cringe.
why? because anon say so of course

>>96853958
Really wish I did not miss out on getting into this FGO game, it was so cheap too.

>>96852759
Those are garage kits so no

What the fuck is this weeaboo SHITE?

Get to fuck

>>96853958
I liked the premise behind this game, but of course they stopped making it. The larger scale makes sense for 3v3 games with anime characters. It's hard to get features that dainty in at 28mm.

>>96851696
>Or did they say at any point that Orcs and Goblins belong together?
I mean they're literally listed together in the rulebook and share kingdom terrain slots. Heavy Goblins are just Orc line infantry in Tolkien anyway, and it's heavily-based on LotR. That said Orcs do get heavy chariots as of Bane of Kings, while Gobbos get light ones. That statline works well for heavier cavalry like gobbos riding a dinosaur or whatnot.
You could use the WGA Goblin line infantry as "Orcs" and heavy Oathmark guys as your Orcorc-High(tm) if you really feel the need.
WGA and Victrix both sell plastic chariots you could strap to wolves with a little work.
>https://www.victrixlimited.com/en-us/products/celtic-chariot-1?variant=32092893937763
3 chariots and an incidental fuckload of Celts for $40
>https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/bronze-age-chariots?_pos=2&_sid=640f1b726&_ss=r
$35 for three chariots and horse, no crew.

Most metal chariots will run you close to $20-25 these days, if you don't want plastics you're better off scratchbuilding some from cocktail sticks and cartwheel bits or (as I said) putting a rickety howdah on a rubber dinosaur or mammoth or whatever.

>>96837162 (OP)
Also I uploaded a huge zip of my papercraft terrain and vehicle archive in /grog/ and there's some /awg/ relevant stuff in there if anyone's interested. >>96849336
https://gofile.io/d/TrjwL7

>>96850581
There better be little senseis I can stick to my bases like nurglings

>>96853958
>>96854386
does anyone have the rules?
I picked up a few of those a long, long time ago and never looked further

>>96854403
>huge zip of my papercraft terrain and vehicle archive
thanks anon, I'll take a look

>>96854403
Sick. I love paper craft stuff.

>>96854350
>why are there weeaboos on 4chan?!?

Anyone else finding resin kind of shit for durability? I bought some resin models and they break so easily. Meanwhile my plastic ones have been dropped multiple times and are usually fine. I would love to stop dropping my minis but it just happens. Anyone else getting sick of resin?

>>96854970
There are a lot of different types of resin but yeah as a whole they tend to be more brittle than plastics and metals. It's just something you put up with due to the alternative being many models not existing because they'd be economically non-viable for the producers.

>>96854989
>There are a lot of different types of resin
This. I've seen some that are like run it over with a car, or be just fine tough and others that break if you look at them funny.

Friendly PSA: Amazon Resale sells miniatures. Just nabbed an open box but like new, complete set of the WGA Les Grognard Cavalry for $24, which is cheap as chips. I saw cheap Quar, Victrix and Pike and Shotte boxes as well.

>>96855237
BONUS TIP:
If you use microsoft edge or game pass you might have enough reward points to get a kit by redeeming an amazon gift card. I get $80 a year for using this mediocre browser. It's probably worth it.

>>96855088
>>96854989
I don't print them myself. I bet it's etsy and other places using cheap resin on me. I guess I'll just have to be extra careful with them. Most of my minis are plastic but I hate getting off all the mould lines. I feel like it takes longer than painting sometimes.

Aside from Frostgrave, any other good 28mm plastic wizard/mage/priests? I don't like all the pouches and sacks.

Speaking of Sean Sutter - he’s making Relicblade plastics. Seems sort of insane for a game where all you’ll buy is a single box per faction but what do I know?

>>96855777
Maybe he's planning another game in the universe with larger teams, or maybe he's just capitalizing on the shortage of plastic p'orcs

>>96850847
>I think you put that chassis gun in upside-down, Anon.
Yeah, I did. It's only blu-tacked on right now so I could fix it but I kinda like it better this way. I'll probably just snip off the barleycorn on the bottom so its harder to tell its upside down.

>>96851569
Built him enough to show off the issue since I ended up working a 12 today.
100% the wires are supposed to connect to the backpack but they forgot to duplicate the backpacks on the sprue.
Pretty big fuckup. I'm interested to see what WGA will do since it kind of borks this whole kit. They were talking about expanding the Damned range farther on down the line so I wonder if they'll make another sprue to package with these guys that has all the backpacks on it along with some other gubbins.

>>96855884
Is it possible that this is a "certain arms for certain torsos" situation?

>>96855894
Nah, the guns, arms, and wires are all marked - A1, A2, A3, B1, B2, B3, etc - while the bodies aren't marked, giving me the impression that any body can be used with any set of gun/arm/wire so long as all of the latter match.
I haven't tested any but the ones I randomly grabbed but I'd be shocked if all the wires didn't all attach to the same point on the backpack. The backpack tab is generic enough and I'd find it hard to believe that of all the wires only the D set I randomly grabbed just so happened to have matched up with it.

>>96855884
What is that base from?

>>96852954
>>96851753
This shit should be a crime after Lupin 3D showed how to do it properly. Fucking retards. You do not translate stylized characters between mediums one to one.

>>96851753
>>96851527
on one hand, animu is for gay faggots. on the other, i was a huge fan of the avp arcade game so look how mad i got when prodos released their westernized linn kurosawa. fugly bitch.

90s capcom art the shiznit

>>96856568
unfortunately also not movie accurate

>>96856471
Only gay faggots can make women that don't look like butch manjawed freaks? Indeed, many such cases.

>>96856402
Flames of war

>>96856569
Black Site has some excellent wey-yutes, as long as you can handle resin. https://blacksitestudio.com/products/corporate-kill-team

also, fyi, lynn kurosawa was originally supposed to be mako noguchi and the arcade game tied in to the original avp movie but since it wasnt made at the time capcom changed her to the new ninja girl character and added space arnie. and warrior predator is supposed to be jungle hunter and hunter predator is supposed to be city hunter.

>>96856884
thats fucking awesome thanks, added to my wants list.

korean animators commercial

>>96852022
Probably March next year. All depends on Blizzard's approval.

>>96855728
GW wizards from times before AoS are great and have many options to customize them. I think they are still sold for Old World Empire line.

>>96856924
Preorder in December, release in January is what they said.

>>96856938
This. One of their better kits really.
The golden demon winner in Essen this year painted one.

>>96855728
Westfalia

>>96855884
Thanks for your pics. Interesting really, because I don't think this was ever mentioned before people got their hands on the minis.
Is it possible to use the rifle without cables? Or is there a spot on the rifle bottom that looks weird without it?

They either can say that you are not intended to equip everyone with cables/backpacks.. that would be lame. Or they could release a backpack stl. That would be the easiest solution for all the people with a printer.. both are not optimal tho.

Could you give the heavy machine guns and the flamers a look? I remember from the time when they first showed the sprues that there was no texture on one side of one of the cooling covers.

>>96856946
They said both actually. Anyway, next AMA is on Thursday and is all about Starcraft so we need to wait for it to be sure.

>>96839331
>And it kind of needs to beat 40k somehwere
likely the entry price if the game is supposed to be spearhead sized for 2k point games

I have asked WGA if they have plans for more scenic plastic bases other than their current 25/50mmm ones, and they said that 32/40mm ones are already done. No words when they will be available though.

>>96855728
Reaper has a shit ton. If you limit it to just human male wizards in plastic, they have 55 sculpts.

>>96839331
>I just can't imagine why anyone would leave 40k for a game less grimdark, when you can go full grimdark and go fro trench crusade.
Nostalgia for Starcraft will be a massive part of it, the other factor will be when 40k does female space marines probably next edition or the one after and runs a good chunk of players out of the hobby. I could go Trench Crusade when that happens, sure, but I like aliens & space marines so Starcraft will check my boxes off better, and will probably do the same for a good amount of other people.
40k will be here today anon, but with the popularity of Space King there's clearly going to be a schism with the shit they try to pull in 11th or 12th- lining up another scifi game for that eventuality seems like a prudent idea to me at least.

>>96839331
>muh grimdark
Never grew out of being an edgy teenager? Sad.

Day 121512 of finding miniatures I never knew existed. Bob Olley no less

>>96858114
The original Frag had paper standees, the Gold Edition has a version of the Homicide guy here in different coloured plastics. These are metal

I wonder how it stacks up compared to Halo Flashpoint, it's called an "FPS boardgame"

>>96858114
>FRACI

>>96857429
>when 40k does female space marines probably next edition or the one after and runs a good chunk of players out of the hobby.

Imagine being in the shoes of one of the competitors. You just have to sit there, and wait until GW drops this massive nuke, and you will have the highest sales record of your companies existence in that month. By doing nothing but being "not 40k".

>>96858483
You have to do something to keep the lights on, at least if you're running a business.

Lore aside, concept art aside. As far as actual game playing goes, do you guys like playing Last War or Trench Crusade more.

>>96858483
You'll have to plan on how to retain the players because you know GW paypigs will go crawling back

>>96858483
The vast majority of people who claim they'd leave if lesbian marines were a thing are lying because if they actually cared about the tone and setting they'd have stopping spending money on GW long ago.

>>96860062
This. They always do.
Look at the people falling over themselves to give GW money with TOW.

What about people who buy GW stuff secondhand at a discount and use it for agnostic systems, along with a mix of other miniature lines/sellers?

>>96860941
What about them, anon?

>>96861028
I forgot to reply to >>96860062 and >>96860908. Oops. I was curious to know what people thought of those who just enjoy some of the miniatures/designs but not the flavor of the month, FOMO and MOBA style fixation on tournament rules and minimal customization.

>>96857429
>the popularity of Space King
While it's true that SK is popular, I'd be surprised if more than 30% of the fan base has any models or actual involvement with the tabletop.
Shit, I'd say the percentage is even lower considering the overlap between the 'muh Games wokeslop' and 'muh 3d printer goes brrrrr' crowds.
Whatever happens to trigger the next GW shitstorm will be felt in the chans, twitter and youtube, but I doubt GW themselves will come out too shaken from in, not when they have so many whales, tournament kiddies and fomo buyers throwing wads of cash at them for overpriced plastic.

>>96857097
>slop enjoyer eagerly waiting for the farmhand to fill up his trough with more slop

>>96861052
They're really not GW's target audience, just a remote part of the miniature game good chain.

It's similar for people who buy recasts; yeah, they interact with GW properties, but aren't exactly customers.

>>96861108
Fair point. I just find it interesting that there are people/posters who immediately disown anyone who has owned a GW product and others who realize that a large amount of players with GW collections are from the days when it was actually a hobby company run by hobbyists and not MBAs and other suits and ties.

>>96860467
Anon, all GW has ever done to 40k is upscale marines and add in a few centerpieces- at the end of the day nothing has fundamentally changed to the main identity unless you're one of those autistic spergs who gets mad because one guy's pauldron is 3 mm thinner than the guy from the other kit.

That being said I don't think female space marines will do as much damage to the setting as End Times did to their Fantasy model line (see reddit comment section still mocking Shitmar to this day) because it's not a setting nuke by any means, but it absolutely WILL run off more than just the rivetlicker crowd because it fucks with the fundamental male power fantasy vibe marines have always had going for it.

And I'm fairly certain of it running people off because I'm honestly pretty centristy on the issue (can accept 'lady marines' in pretty much any way doesn't involve hamfistedly jamming them in every chapter like they did with Custodes) and here I am in /awg/ planning my exit strategy by checking the temperature on other games I'm interested in.

>>96855777
Siocast is a bit cheaper than full hard plastic, maybe cheaper enough.

>>96861082
>While it's true that SK is popular, I'd be surprised if more than 30% of the fan base has any models or actual involvement with the tabletop.
Maybe, but going by all the chats & chatter from tournaments I've been in, I'd say at least 60-70% of the people who actually own models know Space King. I'm sure only half that group is likeminded to the idea of lady marines, and only half of that half will actually get pissy over this, but 10-15% of the largest ttg playerbase eyeballing other ttgs due to a stupid decision would be nothing to sneeze at in terms of how it affects the bottom line.

>>96839208
>>96839696
So size cutoff would be what- the ultralisk? Or would they try to scale down the Colossus?

>>96861209
>it affects the bottom line
Yeah, it'll have a momentary impact, but we're talking about competitive players here, a big part of their enjoyment is the organised play and tournaments. I don't think there are many games with a comp scene nearly as large or popular as 40k's. Other games aren't as full of power creep and fomo marketing, which is a big draw for the most competitive players I know. They'll get angry, look at other games for a year or so, then go back to gw.

There's tons of interesting games floating around in the minis scene, many of them with better rules, setting and ideas than GW's, yet, they simply don't grow because people expect the familiarity that GW has given them for years, anything beyond that is uncomfortable.

>>96860941
You sound like an addict saying you just like going out at night you cunt

Y'all wanna know what's really funny? Warhammer has always had female space marines, but the paypiggies are so unquestioning they allow the lore to mindblock their existence, even though they are power armored women in the exact same fucking faction as spess merines.

>>96861789
Those don't count because they're made for the male gaze.

>>96861789
Thanks, now I'm disgusted AND horny

>>96861912
You should always feel disgusted. I was looking at the new warhams boxes recently, and all the new marine troop types have the amazing new gimmick of an extra plate of armor on the shoulders, or a whole squad with sniper rifles or meltas, so obviously the paypiggies got a get a whole new squad of each cus new hat! Fucking disgusting I hate you all.

>>96861082
I mean 30% is pretty fucking good, anon, and seems to be overestimate. Then again OPR took off wonderfully, so who knows.

>>96861254
Scale is all over the place in the games anyways, like the science vessel and battlecruiser both being fucking massive in lore but like barely bigger than an ultralisk in the game

>>96856984
>Is it possible to use the rifle without cables?
Should be able to easily, yeah.
>Or is there a spot on the rifle bottom that looks weird without it?
There's a tab near the magwell but you could easily trim it off.

>Could you give the heavy machine guns and the flamers a look?
>I remember from the time when they first showed the sprues that there was no texture on one side of one of the cooling covers.
It's a mixed bag.
All the flamers, the heavy infantry laser rifles, and all the brute weapons do; the HMGs, the sniper rifles on the women's sprue, the not!meltas on the men's sprue, and all the ak-looking rifles (barring the drum magazine one) are missing the holes in the barrel shroud/muzzle brakes on the side facing back towards the mini.
Odd details to omit. I want to say it's not that big of an issue since a lot of them will be hard to see pressed towards the minis chest but they still bothered to sculpt other details on that side like ejection ports which would be even harder to see and some like the HMG do stick out to the point they're easily noticeable.
I guess they're relatively uniform at least. It'd be weird if, say, the HMG from the heavy sprue had holes while the one from the women's sprue didn't. Feels like a pretty weak consolation.

>>96855777
He claims it's primarily a cost and stocking thing. The pig models are chunky, and casting metal isn't getting any cheaper. They're also some of the earliest sculpts. Pigs are probably the most popular faction and usually out of stock in the store for months at a time, so getting a cheaper option that he can make more of more often makes sense financially. Assuming they continue to sell well. I'm going to pick up a box, if only to compare them to the old metals.

Anyone have any experience with Battle Valor's 15mm line? Thinking about making a big purchase.

>>96862663
That does not sound too good desu. But I will wait to get my sprues before my final verdict. But they clearly ignored raised critique during the campaign there, because people pointed this issue out.

>>96848949
What are the changes? How are you liking the new edition? Had a mind to buy the previous one but then Lion Rampant got its second ed.

>>96854350
Bad Squiddo can really be hit or miss. I didn't think much of these from the web pics, but saw them in person at Salute and were an instant buy for me.

>>96861104
Cry more troon.

>>96861254
They said Ultralisk will be the biggest for the current format.

Behold, WGA enjoyer

>>96839696
>32mm
Why are they trying to make this meme warhammertard scale the standard for sci-fi gaming?

>>96862663
>Odd details to omit.
Yeah, not impressive given the cost of the box.

>>96865140
For better or worse (worse) everyone copies GW. Especially when they start doing something for shameless profits, and then everyone thinks "phew, now we can do it too!"

>>96865140
wish GW was pushing 15mm lol

Guys, anyone here with an experience with those below? If yes, are they good/bad, and why?

https://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-America-Modelers-Cutter-TAM74093/dp/B00LMIBEDG

>>96865140
Larger miniatures are more attractive for collectors and painters, which expands the possible target audience.
A bigger size also makes it seem less challenging to paint, whilst also justifying a bigger price tag.
Sadly, any scale under heroic 28mm is more popular with grognards than the casual Wargamer.

>>96865491
>A bigger size also makes it seem less challenging to paint,
weird, I always felt like there is more space and details to fuck up

>>96865363
Couple more decades and 40k will be up to Inquisitor's 54mm so "Epic" games will be 15mm.

>>96865516
>couple more decades
I have an old 54mm sword that's only slightly too big for a stormcast character from whenever that first came out.
It fits if I put the point into the base.
The relaunch of epic was 8mm, the embigification is already well underway.
All part of the plan to make models big enough they can be hollow to save on material costs while charging more!

>>96865508
Small details are REALLY intimidating to newbies

>>96864303
You get more options, and there's rules for campaigns. It's a nicer looking book too. I'd say it's not worth that much, but I also bought Miao Ying so I can't be trusted to make good financial decisions.

>>96865451
You need these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tamiya-300074123-Diagonal-Pointed-Plastic/dp/B010PG73J4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=CJOOJ3CM1NDF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bG759yGyEvsboWqreB_1Ndpgr3BDI5uDgE6oFD_eeljjZAjYphAbM-n3GjfRpaWXjfIQpIK29Kb9qFBjZwfQBG6eX-nW4HSxFyUlGT08xYEg6oQdSRanXnK6JbGdJTzfFVTNOsmKPOZjAH54afsBWbttlIQI4Dzm0lkIYrjVNX6JmD4vsGm34H1WYN2kelSfLOZHH4Y9773wdxT3DpPvd8PbO_kpcBpWaMAc9sEObS9VpbOMtK0lxRD2yU7A_4U8Vzfpuvh7MOrKYMlbtcc1z210u1ucWNR5XtRy2TYN-zo.6I9fuPR2zaDYOe48czAa6ESIBzpNnAW74yHQ-w8jtGA&dib_tag=se&keywords=tamiya%2Bcutter&qid=1761759926&sprefix=tamiya%2Bcutter%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1&th=1

>>96865599
>hollow 15mm models

>>96865491
Yeah exactly, 32mm is made to appeal specifically to nogames losers, not actual wargamers. Larger minis only impacts gameplay negatively

>>96866621
That's for the 54mm Epic scale relaunch.
>EPIC SHOULD BE BIGGER

>>96865131
How to out yourself to not participate in this hobby at all

>>96866753
>54mm EPIC models
>78mm mainline games

>>96865131
> funny looking chubby guy paints miniatures for wargaming
What other news do you have for us?

>>96866793
There is no escape from this cycle of suffering.

>>96865451
They are not great for miniature work, being designed as a children's nipper and for much much larger model kits. But worth owning for chunking up sprue into rubble or clipping sprue frames down to access awkward gates. Or broadly cutting off puddle bases, because fuck puddle bases.
You don't need to go to Godhand levels but >>96866533 is an excellent suggestion if you are only going to own one pair of nippers.

>>96866845
Many posters in this thread don't actually own models.

>>96869441
Meanwhile, I own enough miniatures for a few dozen people. It all averages out.

>Let's go boys
Last game of our little Konflikt escalation league, 1250 points. I brought picrel, and got matched against the USA.

>>96869863
Opposition brought two squads of fireflies, a firefly officer, a stuart, a sherman, and a linebacker. I was kinda disappointed he didn't paint his dudes.

>>96869839
>I own a few dozen models
All kneel before the miniature king!

>>96869863
Did the stalker-schizo bother you?

>>96869868
The game was pretty one sided. The real hero was my anti tank rifle sniper. Turn 1, I had him sneak into a building and go on ambush, and he killed the enemy officer as soon as the guy stepped into his LOS.

>>96869879
Then, a few turns later, the US linebacker dropped in from above (I presume it's carried into place by a modified bomber of some sort) and landed. It flamed down one of my guardians, but on the way in it took pin markers from AA fire. Next turn, it rolled a FUBAR result and panicked, flying off the board. We decided it was the pilot noticed there was a guy with an AT rifle pointed right at his glass cockpit.

Called it after that, as by that point the only thing the US player had left alive was a jumbo sherman.

>>96869873
No sign of him, but I did get to play with Bean here.

>>96869894
You fool! That was me in disguise!

>>96869908
You have a very soft tummy

>>96869911
That's how he lures you in

Sadly I dont have enough simple green to strip and repaint my chubby goth girl so she won't be my Halloween submission but here are some spooky ghosts instead.

>>96870071
Yeah, I often end up without enough green to convince women to strip myself.

>>96865131
Oh no, it’s a guy. How shocking.

>>96870090
Lol

>>96870090
But enough about absinth!

>>96870115
>a random guy enters local gaming store
>a legion of sweaty that girls pile on him
It's so tiring...

>And the fluff for the re-restarted Firestorm Armada will be written by... Richard Morgan
Well, that's certainly a choice.
Also Cruddace will be the lead rules developer lol
Source:
https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/prepare-for-your-voyage-beyond-the-black-ocean?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBEwcHllYm13d3pZNmFWbVRwWgEeho1eefoCbi8gk-z7GM-WTZlslY0PujZ5fngI9ljEB4DRm0fli2NbW-gTfZ8_aem_RCa4cYkykfAS8CUFRHl9sQ

>>96869449
I guess its even more dead now then.

>>96869868
what a sad sight

>>96865140
>>96866678
How does 32mm impact gameplay negatively?
For me 32mm is perfect. They are already small enough to be a challange to paint for some people, no need to make things harder for newbies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3CYZvsLjjk Looks promising.

>>96871175
Its just fakegrog talk.

>>96871175
Smaller scales are easier to paint.

>>96871207
Hardly a negative impact on gameplay.

>>96839304
Perry's make the best nut if you want plastic, the wga ones are actually decent.

>>96871175
The primary reason being that 32mm models are 15% taller and 50% bigger than 28mm models, meaning their footprint on the tabletop is significantly larger and thus allows considerably less room for maneuverability. Essentially there is less space on the table to play on. Also the majority of terrain on the market and in people collection is 28mm, which means models look stupid and disproportionate compared to it, and if you increased the size of the terrain to compensate you get EVEN LESS table space to play on.

>>96871207
This 100%. People saying 32mm models are easier to paint are coping hard. Larger models are harder to paint because the larger details demand greater proficiency to make them look good and realistic. Is it easier to paint a life size statue or a toy soldier?

>>96871458
Its completely irrelevant to most games, because of the tiny table sizes and movement/shooting ranges anyway.
28mm and 32mm are not scales, and it does not matter to sci-fi subjects either. There are no Zerglings in RL, so if the model is 25mm in height, or 28mm, or 32mm it does not matter. Its a purely artistic choice, not one based on a realistic scale background

>>96871207
>>96871465
Smaller is easier but it's far more intimidating to newbies

>>96871505
Complete cope. 28mm has been the standard for decades and 32mm is newslop only created to imitate WH40ks scale creep. There is literally zero reason behind it besides that, it has nothing to do with being less intimidating or easier to paint

>>96871507
I got into this hobby last year with Quar being the first minis I ever touch, and to me big primaris marines are more """intimidating""" with all those big surfaces and straight lines
Also big models just feel like much more work

>>96846969
Oathmark. It's written to be as model and setting generic as you can possibly be whilst still being fun and flavorful classic fantasy.

>>96871586
>Complete cope. 28mm has been the standard for decades and 32mm is newslop only created to imitate WH40ks scale creep.

Same could be said about 25 and 28mm.

>There is literally zero reason behind it besides that
People like it, simple as that.

>>96871765
>Same could be said about 25 and 28mm.
Exactly, we need to go back to 25mm.

>>96865140
You may not like 32mm for whatever reason but it's smart for them to make Starcraft Marines Primaris size. I bet a lot of 40tards are going to buy them for their 40k Space Marines just for lolz.
Hell, even I would rather buy Archon's Marines than give GW money just to play with my 40k friends.
They are also pushing for the clear plastic elements for some models, it actually looks great on Protoss but I'm not sure if it could work with a smaller scale.

>>96871765
>people like it?
Do they? We have never been asked our opinion, they just did it. And regardless, 99% of people haven't even thought about whether they like it or not, they just mindlessly consume. Notice the only games doing 32mm are all reddit slop like Star Wars, StarCraft, Trench Crusade, Warhammer, etc.

And 25 to 28mm is different, 25mm came from a time when wargaming was in its infancy, the majority of wargamers uses airfix or minifig toy soldiers for kids. I just read a book from 1989 and the author was very excited about the "newest trend" of 25mm soldiers. We know by the mid 90's 28mm was more common than 25mm, and has been the standard wargaming scale from the 90s to the mid 2020, and basically 32mm was non existent outside of Warhammer until like last year. 25mm was a brief transitional size between you models and real wargaming figures, and quickly settling into the 28mm standard

>>96871966
Yes, you dont like it. We got it. You, however, are not the majority.
Btw, Victrix does 32mm in some of their ranges too.

>>96871797
this
and then we can slowly prepare people to go further down to 15mm later

I don't know anyone that actually gives a shit about scale

>>96872134
Because you're not a real wargamer hobbyist, you're a newfag consoomer. You have no real passion for the hobby, you don't play games, you don't have any large armies or projects, you don't have a terrain collection.

>>96872322
You seem upset

>>96872365
Not at all, feels good to be superior

I think the real crime is whatever the fuck scale shatterpoint, legion, batman, that harry potter game, fallout, and crisis protocol use.

>>96872134
At which level? Because if that was the case you would be mixing 32mm with your 6 inches toys and ignore scale

>>96872516
That's 32mm mate

>>96872536
I mean I've never seen someone say "Oh this is 32mm I don't play that scale" or the opposite "Oh this is 28mm I have to get it"

>>96872557
Disgusting. These people need to be put into caskets and set ablaze.

I feel the scale autism is coming straight out of hwg and is nothing to do with rational humans, or us either.

On an entirely unrelated note, is anyone familiar enough with the neck joints on the victrix fantasy heads to say whether they'd work with oathmark/frostgrave humans?

>>96872134
Wow, another dumb ass retarded take from an anonymous poster on 4chan.org.. imagine my surprise!

>>96872752
It's not an argument about scale, it's a complaint about scale creep. /hwg/ doesn't have to argue about scale creep because as these anons have noticed >>96872516
>>96871966 it's mostly pop culture proprietary /awg/ games following the 32mm trend, not historical wargames.

>>96871465
>Is it easier to paint a life size statue or a toy soldier?
Life-size statue, definitely. It just takes a lot longer.

>>96871966
>forgetting 20mm
shame
>basically 32mm was non existent outside of Warhammer until like last year.
>MCP, Batman, Carnival, Maliflux, everything 3d printed, etc. etc. etc.

>>96872897
Scale creep is only a thing within one game, with miniatures from the same company, the prime example of course being GW/Warhammer. Who cares if Harry Potter figures are bigger than Oathmark or Star Wars.
Not every game needs to be in the same scale. Next you complain that X-Wing had a smaller scale than Legion?

Enough kvetching about scales. Post your Halloween submission guys..... that is if you actually have any minatures and are not here just to shitpost about a hobby you don't actually participate in.

>>96873248
I have plenty of minis (in their boxes unassembled)

>>96872516
I don't even consider those games, they're just display figure series that happen to have rules.

Speaking of Halloween, is Alone Against Fear any good? I know it's just another Four Against X variant.

>>96865131
I buy sprues from that guy and he's fuckin solid, don't be an asshole.
>>96873248
I'm only 80% done with mine but that's 80% more than everyone else on here, except you and that one guy.

>>96873450
Nice. I'm liking it. IRRC your doing a modern(ish) necromancer warband thing right?
I put mud on the bases. Once thats dry I'll put some deadlands grass on, gloss varnish the ghosty parts and matt varnish their weapons then they will be done.

>>96873450
Are you gatekeeping faggots done kissing

Weak bait. Go back to /v/ with that shit.

sure got you though didn it

>>96873484
Yah, WWII undead. I always liked those sculpts, do you have a grand plan for them?
>>96873502
Nah, but you can stick around and watch if it's getting you all bothered

>>96873549
Yeah, planning to use them as wraiths in my GY themed frostgrave board.

>>96873450
Where is that armored car from?

>>96873684
Germany.

>>96873601
What's your fg terrain like? I liked the game the couple times I played, but I always wind up using beer cans and coffee cups for buildings, I just don't have enough stuff to make a good, dense table.
>>96873684
A cheap Korean kit called AFV club

>>96839331
I agree on the 15mm part, but the current Tabletop meta is not about doing things in a sensible scale like 6mm or 15mm, but to have big and shiny minis, because these sell well to mid-wits and that is what they go for. That being said, if it isnt the same bloat of Wh40k laiden with special rules, but an actuall good tabletop that respects the fact that it is something between a skirmish and a company sized game, then why not. I would have liked to see something like Halo Ground Combat in a good scale that represents a futuristic combat in a sensible way, but I guess you have to go for FSD if you want that.

Anyone got an English scan of the Chronopia Sons of Kronos rulebook? TIA!

>>96873684
This is what happens when historylets discovered wargaming kek

>>96874175
no but the new chronopia minis arent as good as the originals right? making them realistically proportioned while keeping the exact same 90s aesthetic kinda doesnt work imo, same asa bunch of the new warzone figures. some of them (mortificators) look great, but others (imperial special forces) start to look cartoonish with the armor so true to the original design.

25-32mm is a continuum

Especially if they're not humans, an alien could be any size

>>96874716
Hell, it's a continuum with historicals as well, thanks to the "measuring to eyes vs. measuring to the top of the head" -debate

>>96874646
I don't care about your opinions on models.

>>96874810
well thats not allowed you cunt

>>96874798
The debate that everyone always talks about being real but no one ever actually has

>>96874841
You better believe in the eyes vs. top of the head -debate...

>>96874798
What debate? Measuring to the eyes is the standard that's used, at least to the extent that sculptors seem to measure anything. The fact that it's stupid to do it that way doesn't change anything.

>>96874841
You better believe in the eyes vs. top of the head -debate...
You're in one

>>96874862
>Measuring to the eyes is the standard that's used,
lol no
There's no such standards in miniatures as there is no such regulatory body and most sculptors are self-taught.

>>96874872
How do we start a regulatory body to license miniature designers and stop them from doing bad things like measuring inconsistently?

>>96871175
very tempting to pick some up when they go on preorder. how are Archon quality-wise usually?

>>96874862
>The fact that it's stupid to do it that way doesn't change anything.
Looks like somebody forgets how big and stupid hats used to be

>>96871175
so uh. wheres the pinup on the marines shoulder pad from

>>96874872
Historical sculptors self regulate, it's fantasy and sci-fi manchild slop they just flings shit at the wall. Notice how all the fantasy ranges made by historical sculptors like North Star are all 28mm at the eyes standard size

i hope the zealots get an unhelmeted option like in the first game

why do the prehistorical boomers refuse to leave /awg/

>>96875253
>Armour 5+
what the fuck

>>96875320
It's probably d10, the other latest trendy wargaming schtick like 32mm

>>96875253
>movement phase
>assault phase
>combat phase
>special abilities bloat
HAHAHAHA copying Warhammer 40k wow that's low hahahahahaha

>>96875253
>>96875268
>>96875394
I was hoping for OPR or Oathmark style alternating activation to keep the game enjoyable.

>>96875377
Pretty sure it's D6

>>96875406
It is alternating activation

this the best i can do sorry everyone i have failed

>>96875395
>movement phase
>assault phase
>combat phase
And you would do what differently exactly?

>>96875404
What does Only visible models can be removed as casualties mean? Models behind cover can take ranged damage but are not removed even if killed? Invisible models like the dark templars remain on the board for other purposes?

>>96875432
I posted right before the rule page was leaked. Oops.

>>96875406
>ALTERNATING ACTIVATION!!!

>>96875792
It might surprise you, but some people enjoy a mentally stimulating, back and forth game instead of the dull "I move my troops for half an hour, roll my attacks for another half an hour and oh look, I've lost all interest in the game now. Play again next week?" of GW style games.

>>96840346
Happier days.

>>96875532
>>96875141
Oh that's from Tychus' suit from SC2. Its on all his ingame models, on this figure https://www.bigshottoyworks.com/sideshow-collectibles-starcraft-marine-tychus
and you can see it in the very first teaser cinematic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSlg-I03oQ

>>96876613
I forgot to say, Tychus is a specific hero so generic marines won't have it

>>96876613
Cool thank you. I only played the first game.

>>96876632
Did a quick google and someone ripped the asset from the game so here you go

>>96876663
Thanks for spoon-feeding me. I promise not to think of you right when i- you know.

Starcraft in 6 or 10 mm with resource gathering and base building would have been dope. I have absolutely zero interest in a nu40k clone.

>>96876788
Are there any miniature games with base building mechanics?

>>96865131
WGA has late Roman cav?

>>96876840
Depends on exactly what you mean. The only games I'm aware of with RTS-like base building are board games. Frostgrave has light base elements (mostly just meta-resources). TNT has a fan-supplement inspired by Fallout 4 and a little bit of Necromunda.
Last Days is all about building up your Refuge as a support for your guys, and getting it overrun in the post-game is potentially a massive disaster. You can buy things like fences to give you advantages if it's attacked in a mission as well.

>>96874716
Yeah, If only there were a way to express the difference in scale by a ratio or real world size to miniatures size.

>>96877479
>>96877479
>>96877479

>>96876833
If only I could get it + Brood War at a non-ridiculous price.