Thread 96884855

Battlefleet Gothic edition

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Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, Kill Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,
Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster...
...and any other GW system and board game are welcome.

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>TQ
Are there any /gwsg/-related projects you hope to finish before the year is out?

First for new thing bad.

I'm trying to cope on more BB Chaos Dwarf nerfs but all I can come up with is:

>Break Tackle is a good pick on bull centaurs again, gives them 2+ for first dodge
>Stabbas are probably still kinda crap but 60k at least prices them reasonably and Shadowing looks like it'll be good

Meanwhile:

>lol secondary G access for Hobs
>lol Unsteady for centaurs so you still have to risk several turns of fumbles to centaur carry until Sure hands is online
>lol no Brawlin' Brutes for you, enjoy your slow development while Orcs, Dwarves, and others race ahead of you

>>96884855 (OP)
>TQ
I just got some midhammer plastics to make Mordheim warbands, I want to have at least the core painted before the year ends.

>TQ

Working on a full Imperial Nobility team, I should definitely have it finished before the end of the year.

I think I'm gonna pull the trigger and buy Catacombs. It's got 2 warbands I like and 2/3 of the terrain I like. I can always get the head statue and another set of the building sprue on ebay

>>96884855 (OP)
I managed to snag a House Delaque starter box for extremely cheap as part of a clearance sale. Never played Necromunda before, only experience with skirmish games is some Kill Team here and there, which sadly wasn't narrative-heavy.
What do I do now? Am I supposed to magnetize the arms and heads? Does an end-of-campaign gang necessitate me buying even more boxes of basic gangers? I'd rather splurge on terrain-crafting stuff than more boxes of models I already own.

>TQ
several MESBG minis
>Saruman on horse
>Aragorn, Boromir, Gorbag, Shagrat metal minis
>12 Galahdrim elves
>repair and paint broken Uruk-hai scouts and Mordor orcs I got on ebay

>TQ
I gotta paint my blood bowl team. First time ever assembling and priming and soon painting minis. I'm a little nervous, but so far everything has been much easier than anticipated and easy to not fuck up, though removing mould lines and sprue nubs fucking sucks

>>96885684
Delaque gang box gave you the bodies and some pistols for Juves but you don't get the high end stuffs for champs or basic weapons to fill the rank. The Delaque weapon upgrade gave you a bunch of nice delaque-pattern basic as well as the ol-reliable plasma weaponry and web gun for your champs to make a decent gang. After that you want 1 box of Delaque Natch-Ghul for a complete roster. You can play Delaque without the Natch-Ghul, but it's the equivalent of playing Ratling without the Ogryn in Killteam.

>magnetize
It's a waste of time + effort and it made your models ugly. Fighters should be fitted into "character" ( gunner , Close combat, cowboy with 2 pistols etc) and stay that way, and built with all weapons glued too. Having multiple loadouts RAW is a terrible idea because loadouts are also randomized during deployment. You can houserule that to your own perils.

In case you need to build characters that switch their main weapons mid-campaign, just build another model for that. Gang box + natch-ghul give you 14 bodies, which meant you have 1 or 2 extra bodies to make extra loadout for models. If you need more get another gang box.

Delaque also make use of the Whisper Merchant regularly, so you might want to make a model for him from the extra Delaque body. Or buy from GW, or somewhere else.

what star players should I get with the third edition box? not to play with the new teams but to have for a league me and my bros play

>>96885897
> Having multiple loadouts RAW is a terrible idea because loadouts are also randomized during deployment.
While having multiple weapon loadouts is a bad idea, there are multiple campaigns where the amount of even random and hybrid selections are limited to a couple scenarios. If you are playing larger campaigns where people get to higher gang ratings, you want to have loadouts to counter specific gangs (i.e. hazard suits, respirators/goggles for AW events/visibility) and you don't want all of them to bloat your crew rating every single battle, possibly giving your opponent the 400c limit to hire extra underdog models.

>>96886003
What teams are you planning on using? If Brets, 1000% get Griff Oberwald as he is stupid good.

>>96885684
Only the extremely cucked play Necromunda with full WYSIWYG. If your only-available gaming group does that, it should be your mission to usurp power and liberate them from the bootlickers leading them.

It is also only cucks who play with the Tools of the Trade rule (instead of allowing equipment to move freely as in old Necromunda). However, some of these second groups of cucks can be excused simply for not knowing any better, since they had no experience with old Necromunda and never knew an alternative to Newcromunda (which is a great system, but botched the weapon rules).

>>96884855 (OP)
>TQ
Want to finish the few leftover minis from hive secundus but since I haven't gotten a game in for like months there's little motivation.

>>96886673
Just neck yourself, there is nothing less interesting than a campaign of N23 with absolutely free weapon movement. All it does is make things like recovery a non-issue, as gangs keep a sufficient minimum backup of low rating fighters that can be fitted with the mid-cost high-value weapons like bolters, executioner shotguns, combat shotguns, and plasma pistols from anyone in recovery. This leads to less interesting gameplay and a boring upgrade system where fighters kit themselves with these incremental upgrades, and makes the gameplay a worse experience. Or maybe it makes it better for your group if you are those cucks that like playing with 2+ saves on everyone with mesh+suit+overlay on every fighter of any note.
If you want to freely move weapons around you need another system for the trading post. That's not a problem if you want to write one, but the game is not made better by allowing free swaps. At least if you play more than one campaign a year.

My third party Yhetee from years ago. Still love this fuzzy fellow. Good to use on my ogre team.

>>96884855 (OP)

> TQ

I have a Warmaster event in February and want to refresh my old Norse army with some new models. I've been having some trouble sourcing models but finally have a solution and I'm excited to test it.
I'm also interested in picking up some Punga models for a Kislev-themed Imperial Nobility team. However the Warmaster is the priority and the sheer cost of the team is fairly off-putting. If any anons have experienced buying physical Punga models from them directly (and not just the prints from an online seller) I'd be keen to hear how it went.

>>96885897
>You can play Delaque without the Natch-Ghul, but it's the equivalent of playing Ratling without the Ogryn in Killteam.
I've read this same sentiment before but it still sucks to hear. I'd ideally want to specialize in psychic bullshit, use the worms, etc. But thanks for the long write-up, I'll take all of it into account.

>>96886072
So loadouts usually aren't randomized? I know Necromunda has hundreds of scenarios. It's likely me and the few people I play with would opt for a more narratively driven campaign in the vein of old tree-structure campaigns anyhow, unless that would be a poor fit for for some reason.

>>96886673
My "gaming group" is really just me, a friend of mine, and a couple of people that only have a couple of sets of models and aren't really into the hobby like I am, so my word is law.

Bros i bought 3rd ed of blood bowl box and i want to gift my 4 friends with some teamsso we can get some games when we meet at the weekends. Can u tell me which ones are fun to play?

>>96886845
Not that anon but the rules I proposed to my group was that a Fighter can swap out weapons so long as they are buying a replacement or better. I.e. A Fighter can replace a weapon for another of the same class, or of a different class that costs more than what is being replaced. They can sell the weapon towards purchasing a new one under the same criteria. Weapons only go back into the stash if it is a weapon that is available from the TP. They can give their old weapon to another Fighter as part of this replacement/upgrade so long as it is something the one receiving it could equip/is available on their equipment list. Exchanges between Fighters can only be done so long as neither Fighter is in Recovery.

So this prevents simple weapon swaps to game around Recovery, and still allows a Fighter's progression without being stuck with old weapons whilst keeping to the spirit of what Tools of the Trade should be doing.

>>96887906
Norse
Shambling Undead
Elf Union
Chaos Chosen

All are reasonably beginner friendly.

My brother and I are going to play the old version of Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game, the one with The One Ring rulebook.
One slight hiccup, I can't find the difference between an Armoured Horse and a Normal Horse. Any help would be appreciated.

>>96887977
>Elf Union
Anon... EU is dead, Woodies unironically are an easier team now

>>96886845
You wrote all of that instead of just taking for granted the obvious house rule, "can't swap equipment when in recovery."

Hate to see it.

>>96887131
I like him :D

>>96887977
NTA but I also wondered the same thing, excellent

>>96884855 (OP)
>TQ new gang for my next Necromunda campaign which will be next year.
Also finishing touches for a few Warcry Warbands.

>>96885684
Build what you want, you can buy new models if you need extra gangers. IF guys upgrade, just let the others know when you play. No one expects you to remodel every mini.

>>96887923
That's how we play, they can only move it on if they upgrade

Played a Warcry event today and had fun. Went 3-1

>>96884855 (OP)
>"A Skaven team can now take two Gutter Runners"
FUCK
I just finished these ;_;

>>96889392
Thank you!

>>96888459
>EU
>dead

As someone who used 2 catchers with EU in tournament and matches, I guarantee you they are fine. Fummblrooskie will make linemen a viable target to throw at and near impossible to contain them.

Wood Elves are still broken amazing but wardancers still go splat gud!

>>96889396
No worries.

>>96889840
Nothing personal to you but facing 4 gutter runners against a semi competent coach was near unwinnable.

>>96889871
>Nothing personal to you but facing 4 gutter runners against a semi competent coach was near unwinnable.
idgaf, I wanted to convert some rats

Ready for season 4

>>96887977
thanks fren

>>96888121
IIRC a normal horse is D4, an armoured one D5, which makes quite a difference against crossbows (S4) and most bows (S2), going from a 4+ to 5+ and 5+ to 6+ to wound, respectively.

>>96884855 (OP)
I'd like to finish some warbands of musical skellingtons, Marienburg elves, Nagarythe elves, and conan-esque chaos marauders for a variety of skirmish systems.

>>96889840
You can play a third one as Skitter. You can use the fourth one in an Underworld team.

>>96884887
I honestly just ask people if I play the old style of chaos dwarves instead. Six dwarf blockers and cheap linemen. They keep nerfing them and it feels intentional at this point.

>>96887906
Do you want easy or hard fun teams?
Easy is probably norse, necromantic, undead, khemri, and orcs. Lizardmen are also probably pretty easy to run too.

Hard fun teams would probably be snotlings, khorne, ogres, halflings.

>>96889702
I personally like building models into classes of weapons.
Shotgun, heavy, las, rapid, etc
Mostly because some times the model is cool, but the weapon is so ass that you are better off not giving the model a weapon. Like for example the storm welder, love how the gun looks, but no way in hell I'm actually using it in game, paying to increase my chances of killing my own model is not fun.
Because is not even plasma gun fun when you can at least kill the enemy and your guy in a funny explosion.

>>96890631
Squat can use Storm Welder if they pick the skill that remove unstable.

>>96890678
Yes, you can break necromunda pretty easily what is your point?

>>96890685
It's still a meme to use, just not useless anymore, did you even look at the rule before posting?

>>96890703
I repeat the question.
What's your point? Breaking necromunda is easy as fuck, you can even do it by accident.
Is like the Ceramite Shield and hip shooting.
First one turns move into basic while the second give you a double action that negates the drawback of the shield.
Just because you can break the shit out of the game does not mean some weapons are not ass. Specially if you need to start adding secondary things to make them work.

>>96890721
You wrote a whole ass paragraph about nothing instead of just read the damn rule. There're nothing broken about taking a skill just to use an overpriced weapon that isn't even good, on a champ with mediocre BS.

You complained not being able to use "cool weapon", i pointed out that the squat can use it now for all your meme purpose. And you went on a tirade about "muh brooooken" ???????

>>96890740
>discussing with anon is him pretending not to understand

>>96890241
>an armoured one D5
Neat, thanks anon

>>96890678
>Squat
If you bring squats to the munda game, I'm bringing necrons.

Picked up the Uruk-Hai Ugluk and Vrasku for only £19. Scalpers get rekt

>>96892635
So you bought two minis for the same price that I produce over 50 for? Wow, congratu-fucking-lations mr.whale.

>>96892647
Your post is so retarded that I cringed so hard my balls moved.

>>96892702
Riiiight, just keep coping about the inflated price of your plastic toys.

>>96892647
3 print fags when someone does anything else xd

>>96892731
>coping
Keep telling yourself that printfag

Does anyone have a PDF for the new MESBG Hobbit book? Or just a scan or good picture of the "Three Trolls" army list (Tom, Bill and Bert). They are the only army I am interested in playing in that book and I don't want to buy the whole book for one page....

>>96892762
my entire last year of miniatures cost less than your 2, so you seething about me pointing out that you were basically robbed is cope by definition, you have to jump through mental hoops to make yourself believe you got a "deal" in the face of the fact that miniatures are now worth about $0.10-$1/each

>>96892647
>Comes into a GW thread
>Bitches when someone buys GW miniatures for use in a GW game

>>96892791
Literally jehovas witness of the hobby

>>96892787
It might be in here
https://gofile.io/d/SgFc9q

>>96892791
You're still going?

>>96892793
This isn't a GW thread sweaty, this is a community thread. GW owns some pieces of paper saying they have the rights to the games we play, but none of these games would still exist in any form if we, the community, hadn't made them playable and popular of our own efforts.

>>96892814
>This isn't a GW thread sweaty
>/GWSG/ Games Workshop Specialist Games General

>>96892802
That would be the paypig shills who want you to sell your soul to join the corpo cult.

>>96892821
I can see how that would confuse a GW employee.

>>96892822
Them too. But in this thread we have a dude happy he bought something cheaper, and a 3d print fag screaming at him that he is inferior and projecting other posters to be GW shills. Only one side of the spectrum of retardation is here.

>>96892867
No, we've got an anon bragging about scoring a "deal" and another anon simply pointing out that the "deal" is fucking highway robbery by the current standard of value.
It's like the addict who says "I can quit anytime"

>>96892885
Incorrect. 20 dolar, euro or whatever the fuck anon bought it for, is a deal for the OG model. response of:
>>So you bought two minis for the same price that I produce over 50 for? Wow, congratu-fucking-lations mr.whale.
is a printfag preaching his religion. Saying "buy a 300 dolar printer and learn to print+ model + pay for stls/pirate them" is not a genuine approach, for not everybody can afford it, wants to do it and so on.
If you want to go into "current standards of value" unless you are making engineering projects with your printer you are disingenuous as fuck.

>>96892885
>another anon
Why are you talking about yourself in the third person? We all know you're the guy sperging out about printing

>>96892913
>learn to print+ model + pay for stls/pirate them"
Oh wow, an enormous task that takes all of an hour or two!

>>96892939
>We all know
>We
And I know that the only "we" here is you and the gerbil up your ass.

>>96892945
I now see that i have been too genuine and honest in responding to you, allow me to fix it.

>Oh wow, an enormous task that takes all of an hour or two!
Oh Wow, not my fucking hobby!

>>96892971
I know, your hobby is shilling for GW

Anyone ever paint Blood Bowl teams like real life sportball teams?

>>96892791
Counterpoint, some people that aren't poor, insecure, and mentally ill do not struggle and fret over whether the price of their minis is "worth it." They have long ago determined that they are.

You're that indian from the 3D printing thread who was poisoning their dogs via resin proximity, aren't you?

>>96893856
>delusions that all anons on all threads are one anon
Are you that jew janny leaked during the sharty attack?

>>96893785
I'd mock you, but mother always said to have pity on the mentally deficient. Have a good one mate.

anyone come across scans of the s3 book?

>>96894167
Your mother said that to make you feel better about being retarded, retard.

>>96892806
You're a legend, thank you!

khorne team looks fine but the special characters are ugly as hell. Can I take the Minotaur by chance instead?

>buying models
>printing models
Fags. If you're doing anything but drawing with homemade charcoal on handmade paper to make tokens, you're a corporate cuck. And don't even get me started on the evils of new editions of games. You pirate the first edition of something and that's IT. We know all games are born with SOVL and are destroyed by time. Blood Bowl plays to 3 no matter how long it takes, there's no such thing as a turnover, and I don't even know what a "block die" is, we roll to hit, wound, and save, because that's the oldest thing which is the best thing!

>>96894993
>first edition
Absolutely cucked. If you're not making a homebrew loosely based on the designers playtest document, you aren't a real wargamer.

>he actually resorts to playing a tangible game in physical reality presumably with other real people
i haven't had to leave my mind palace for a game in decades, you casuals sicken me

I'm dead.

>>96894422
No but just say the minotaur IS a blood spawn. I doubt anyone would be mad. Personally I'm thinking of proxying the bloodspawn with greebo minis' King of the Pit (looks like a bloodthirster)
>>96894285
The preorders launched little under two days ago if even that, wait a week or two and someone's bound to have it then

>>96893830
Not yet.

What team would look good in sharkies colours?

>>96896573
Norse maybe? Khorne would be funny. Thinking of painting my undead team like the Home uniform for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (vampire coast yknow) and the new box set teams like the Miami Dolphins (Brets) and UM Hurricanes (TKs). I think it could be neat

I'm making some custom star player cards for both old age stars and ones me and my friends have come up with for our league for the new edition, would it be too much to include a back side with facts and backstory like actual sportsman cards do?
pic related

>>96884855 (OP)
Where do I get started with I want to run rogue trader? Any tips and tricks other game masters want to share?

I was recently gifted a copy of the Blood Bowl 2nd ed box from 1988.
I've never played BB before, can I use the teams in this box to play modern games? I'm not sure if I need to have different models for different field roles, the models in the box only have a single sculpt for each team.

>>96896988
Technically yes.
Orcs and Humans are included. You can definitely play with them.
To have access to every possible player to hire for your team you would also want to find an Ogre and a Troll and 3 halflings and 3 goblins.
I believe the scale of any new model and the old models will be way off so I'd say try and grab some classic style models to match up and you'd have a sick retro team. You can also grab a 3rd party team 3D printed or whatever for very cheap. Something like 40usd.

>>96884855 (OP)
>TQ
Won't be back home to work on minis until December but I'm probably going to kitbash a Death Guard sorcerer to finally give the newest version of Kill Team a go, and perhaps bang out a warlock and a few more henchmen for my Reikland Mordheim warband.

Considering diving into BB. I tried before, but then the coof happened and that was that for the local area. Not sure what has or hasn't been leaked and the only discussion I've seen is Goonhammer, but how do Shambling Undead, Chaos Chosen or plain old Orcs sound?

>>96897996
They are all good starting teams, Chaos might be a bit harder to start with but Undead and Orcs are both teams I would reccomend to a new player

>>96898099
What makes the Chosen team harder?

>>96896988
>I'm not sure if I need to have different models for different field roles, the models in the box only have a single sculpt for each team.
Just paint numbers on them, like Nuffle intended. Or get some number decals.

>>96898183
chaos doesn't start with key positionals bearing skills that provide you with rerolls, instead giving you a team of basic beastmen and chaos warriors that are better at killing opponents than actually playing the game with the intention being that you develop them individually through a league into whatever positional you want them to be

>>96898183
Chaos Chosen start with better stats but not the key starting skills that other blockers have, the idea is that in a league they have a worse start but a better finish than other players because it's easier for a player to get a skill than a stat up
The rough start without the safety net of Block might be hard for a new player

>>96892814

Imagine being this retarded...

>>96894414
Happy to help anon

>>96897996

They are all solid bash teams. Orcs and Undead have historically been considered top-tier but the recent roster changes have turned the game upside down so its hard to say where they will be now.

Undead have specialists; your runners are really good at running, your linemen are really good at holding a line, and your big guys have no negative traits. The loss of 2 ghouls in 3E is significant though.
Orcs are a simple bash team. Lots of Strength, high armour, still have a reasonable scoring threat. However the team has changed drastically with the loss of positionals.
Chaos starts weak but grows into a threat later. Expensive rerolls and a lack of inherent skills means a slow start but their naturally high stats and generous skill access means they have a higher ceiling in leagues.

>>96898454

Chaos Warriors do somewhat randomly start with Arm-Bar now. Which is interesting?

>>96900668

Honestly I'd just give the Warriors Block. Why pretend they aren't going to take it as their first skill literally every single time?

>>96901281

Because they still want you to do that as a tax. Arm-Bar does open up a couple of interesting build directions though that you'd never do unless they handed it to you like this. Prehensile Tail combined with Arm-Bar makes for a pretty nasty combination that doesn't require you to overinvest in it. A brief detour before taking Guard or Mighty Blow or somewhere in between.
The fact that it can earn you SPP's as well also helps. Although why of all teams Chaos don't get the rule inverting SPP values for Casualties vs TouchDowns I can't imagine.

>>96902178
Because they really don't have trouble handing warriors touchdown SPP, since they're all AG3+, and don't even have Unsteady so they can secure the ball if they need to before walking it in.

>>96902256

Fair. Personally, I'm still thinking on the possibilities and the ideal vector for the new Monstrous Mouth ability. Essentially you don't need it on something that's Str4 or above for various reasons, but not least that Tentacles works better there most of the time.

>>96898689
Imagine being this much of a shill...

Who are the limp wrist trannies running blood bowl now? Holy shit, just reading the way they blog post about the changes to the game is insufferable. Why do they keep changing the game? We once had an old game that was out of production. All they had to do was make it available to buy again, not change everything. Now years later they are completely fucking up the game. Stalling rules? The only one that should force you to score early is your opponent. You want to incentivize elves to score quick? Then put it in the rules. Punishment with a retard throwing a rock is not an incentive.

So I'm wanting to start an Enforcer patrol in Necromunda, any idea where I should start in regard to picking stuff equipment wise? Are subjugators worth it? I saw the grenade launchers they have easy access to, for my enforcers do I go all bolter, all shotgun or a mix? Its my first attempt at newcromunda and I'm a bit lost.

>>96902961
>attempting to metagame
Just pick what looks cool.

>>96902969
I mean there is a difference between metagaming and trying to see how things even play out on the most basic level, and I'd like to draw from people who actually played the game before.

Oh and I'm gunna be using the Arbites Kill Team box for my Enforcers, cuz the minis feel cooler.

>>96902961
>subjugators
Subjugator champs are more suitable for close combat than shooting. While the ganger can spec for whatever. Best usage for GL is photon flash and smoke.

>All bolters
All bolters should work well, but it's also really boring, And you only get 6 Bolters for a 10 men gang box. And the rookies are shit at shooting, you don't want to give them bolter either, mostly just stubgun or shotgun

>shotgun
It's a cheaper combat shotgun with template, so it's suitable to bestow upon your favorite rookie. On champ you'd better off getting the normal combat shotgun from the trading post, because that one has access to ammo.

Plasma pistol, Web Gun, Sniper rifle are all pretty good weapons to use. My favorite type of fighter is a cowboy using 2 plasma pistols.

>>96902813
They clearly don't enjoy sports because they failed to clean up the stupid "Arm Bar" skill, which they clearly think is the name for what is actually a clothesline. Arm bar is a submission done on the ground. It would make more sense to rename pile driver to arm bar. Stupid fucking morons. How could any man think arm bar is an appropriate name for that skill???

Why Entombed King have throwing man? They have no catching man's. Very confused.

>>96903420
I think the people designing blood bowl were bullied by kill teams and so they decided to ruin the game

>>96903506
Specialist Games : where people only applied because they can't get position at the 40k or AoS, and just hope for a transfer.

>>96903516
Games workshop same as wizards of the coast is pretty much pozzed at this point. Basically anywhere there were men having fun they decided to send the troons and women to destroy it.

Spearhead isn't listed under the OP but it's a GW specialist game, right?

New to the game, playing OBR and was wondering how exactly the regiment ability Re-form Ranks is supposed to be used. Retreating without damage seems useful but only one time in the whole game seems a bit of nothing and I'm just not seeing the potential uses, at least not yet, but at the moment I'd rather take the 1+ ward save ability instead.

>>96903516
So they actually try hard then when they go to 40k they stop trying?

>>96904044
Nah it's AoS.
Sometimes there are two abilities and one is objectively better. It can be useful under a specific set of circumstances. But yeah, +1 ward save is massive and easily the better choice

>>96904044
Warcry, Underworld and Spearhead are all products of the AoS team, but in context of rule , spearhead closely resembled to AoS as a baby first step game, So posting spearhead related question in /aosg/ you might get more answers.

>>96904044
I think some of the Spear rules are more of a silver bullet against very specific matchups rather than real choices

>>96904067
>So they actually try hard then when they go to 40k they stop trying?
They did a sloppy ass job, but being an employee at GW, people tend to quit after awhile because GW discount and plastic leftover can't feed the family, so there will be jobs open, and the Specialist Shitters gonna have a chance to apply over new applications.

How do i know about this? Because I used to have this argument that SG and mainline 40k/AoS aren't the same, but then a random shitter come chimed in with the claim "dude in SG now worked at 40k". That is when i realized these assholes's endgame is the transfer, and why some of the Specialist Games were so ass, the most atrocious example being Aeronautica Imperialis, because they don't give a fuck.

>>96904067
>>96904135
Okay glad I didn't misunderstand something crucial, thanks for clarifiying.
>>96904115
I'll keep the Spearhead discussion there from now on.

Patrol Captain O-125K 140 credits
Enforcer Shotgun -60 credits
Shock Stave -25 credits
Fast Shot
-225 credits

Patrol Sergeant O-128K 100 credits
Enforcer Sniper Rifle -30 credits
Stub gun dum dum bullets -5 credits
Fast Shot
-135 credits

Patrol Sergeant O-144K 100 credits
Enforcer Boltgun -50 credits
Fast Shot
-150 credits

Patrolman O-168V 70 credits
Enforcer Boltgun -50 credits
-120 credits

Patrolman O-884Q 70 credits
Enforcer Boltgun -50 credits
-120 credits

Patrolman O-912A 70 credits
Enforcer Boltgun -50 credits
-120 credits

Patrolman O-415Z 70 credits
Enforcer Shotgun -60 credits
-130 credits

1000 credits

Heres what I got for my patrol

>>96904589
This is old list, updated one already on necroraw

https://www.necroraw.ru/docs/gangs/gang-lists/palanite-enforcers/

Captain can't take fast shot.

>>96904589
Also, don't take 2 fast shot. It's a great skill, but game isn't that serious you had to do this. You already gave your dudes a name, gave them an interesting background. Let's say the guy with the sniper rifle take trick shot or marksman instead, because he's a bit more eccentric. He's like Tim Gutterson while the fast shot dude is Raylan Givens.

"Got your six" is the trademark Enforcer skill, it's overwatch but you don't lose Ready status upon activation.

>>96904714
Oh? Where is the new list from, apologies I just grabbed book of judgement.

>>96904770
I read they didn't have names, only codes and nicknames, and was planning to give them nicknames from stuff they did in campaign.

>>96905013
Bastions of Law, the new Enforcer book that's been out for about two months now.

>>96905013
book of judgement is outdated, they got their own book called Bastion of law.

https://litter.catbox.moe/fenyajl3qkq7b5e2.pdf

>>96905070
Ah, I was told its book of Judgement, what are the changes?

Mordheim question. I've seen some people online using round bases instead of square ones for Mordheim. Would that result in some strange interactions with the base rules in any way, or does it work just as well as square ones?

I think I'll take Palanite Prefecture. Seems straightforward and useful as I think the campaign isn't vehicle based. I'll look at skills for stuff later when I've had time to absorb the new roster.

>>96905080
>what are the changes
Everything from the weapon lists to how the gang is set up to how their special skills work to extra stuff like precinct rules.

Heres what I got after looking at the updates and taking advice.

Captain 'Knox'
Shotgun, Flak Armour, Undersuit, Stubber and Dum Dum bullets,
Priority Threat Skill -225 credits

Sergeant 'Stone'
Sniper Rifle, Flak Armour
Fast Shot Skill -125 credits

Sergeant 'Talon'
Boltgun, Flak Armour
Marksman Skill -140 credits

Enforcer 'Hardcase'
Shotgun, Flak armour -115 credits

Enforcer 'Zips'
Shotgun, Flak armour -115 credits

Enforcer 'Block'
Boltgun, Flak armour -105 credits

Enforcer 'Buster'
Boltgun, Flak armour -105 credits

Rookie 'Clipper'
Stub gun, flak armour -40 credits.

>>96905398
Flak armor is shit, borderline useless. Don't know wtf rule writer was smoking, leave out the common mesh armor. But really just buy undersuit on the main guys, then go to trading post and buy mesh armor after 1 game.

Buying armor for everyone is bad, there're always the fall guys on your team, and the best defense is not getting hit at all, use cover, and smoke grenade.

>>96905525
Its more because the minis have armour on, it would feel wrong to not armour them.

and 10 credits a pop isn't the worst

>>96905546
You can always buy the armor later. No need to buy it at the start.

>>96905585
Think I should strip armour for some and add another rookie or two?

>>96905124
Rounds are by and large fine, there are very few things that care about facing in Mordheim.

>>96905597
number of fighters depend on scenario being used. Generally 9 is the max recommended as most scenario will use 6-9 fighters.

Don't have to spend on credit at start, should save some to buy mesh armor, pay for medical. Or use the leftover to upgrade into a subjugator with smoke/flash grenade.

>>96905991
Can you buy several suits of mesh at once or just one at a time?

>>96908770
I imagine its in your house list? So as many as you want at once

How's the new edition of MESBG? I've heard everything got tougher, but that's about it.

>>96909319
The base rules were improved, but the listbuilding has been gutted to hell and many units, entire factions, were dumped into legends.

It is a sidegrade at best.

>>96905560
For 5 creds more you get Mesh which is just a 5+ save without being situational. There is no reason to ever take Flak unless you have no armour and only 10 creds left to spend. Otherwise you take Mesh.

>>96908770
If it isn't listed in the equipment in the Fighter's roster entry then check if they have any limitations on gear from the Trading Post. Usually everyone is able to get Wargear from there so it shouldn't be a problem. Mesh is Common meaning you don't even need to roll for its purchase or to specifically send someone to the TP as a post game action to buy it. You can just buy it any time you could normally buy gear for your Fighters. The only caveat is that technically you can't buy Common gear from the TP at gang creation without Arbitrator approval, but any sensible person isn't going to have issues with doing that. Otherwise just save the creds for the armour and buy it after the first game. As an aside when buying from the TP as the Seek Rare post game action you roll for rarity and apply all the relevant modifiers, and you are then able to buy as much as you want that is at that rarity or lower. There are some abilities and stuff that affects price of first bought when doing that for example though, but that doesn't prevent you from buying more. It only affects the price of the first one bought that action.

>>96904138
This is a very stupid theory.

You say that people "working 40K" quit because it's not lucrative enough but that people in the very same company working at SG are nevertheless lusting after "40K positions"

They would already know those positions are not lucrative. Furthermore, it's doubtful that the GW pay scale is simply tied to which studio you work in. It's far more likely that every studio has the same positions within it that earn the same pay. The main studio probably does have more of those positions, but that would be the chief difference.

So your claim is that people start working at SG, have all the info to determine that the job is not good, but still keep a fire burning in their heart to "work 40K". But the people who did work 40K cannot maintain that fire. Dumb stuff.

>>96911114
>This is a very stupid theory.

That is because you assumed SG and GW 40k/AoS are the same, but they aren't. SG is Forgeworld, a subsidiary of GW with different leadership, budget and production line.

Yes the GW grass is greener than the Forgeworld grass, until they realized they had a family, they need food and not grass. I was going on a long rant about the history of Specialist Games revival since 2016 but there're no point. If you know, you know "trust me bruh".

But i'll say this : the releases of HH Age of Darkness has seemingly proved that GW has split Forgeworld/SG into 2 or 3 branchs now : one being HH/LI , two being TOW (or maybe it's the same division as HH/LI), and the other is "the rest of SG games". Yeah if i have to make a speculation "the rest of SG games" still sucks because likely these people are being shuffled around working on multiple games with completely different setting, deadline up the ass.

>>96911335
>That is because you assumed SG and GW 40k/AoS are the same, but they aren't. SG is Forgeworld, a subsidiary of GW with different leadership, budget and production line.
FW got folded into GW proper years ago dude. There's still a dedicated specialist game team that handles stuff like Necromunda and Blood Bowl and TOW but they're directly under GW.

>>96911431
FW got folded into GW

They're always part of GW, do you think the machinery and building at FW grew legs and merged physically or something? They got their own building, leadership, budget, and machine to produce their own kit separated from 40k/aos, why am i repeating myself?

>>96885219
Bought it last weekend it'll be here on friday YIPPEE

>>96911335
>>96911526
LMAO you're chatting shit based on 10-15 year old information, boomer scum. There is no Specialist Games or Forgeworld. They are called Specialist Design Studio. Their counterpart that does 40K/AoS is the "Main Studio".

No they did not get "their own machine" you wretched dunce. SDS shoots their plastics through the same facility all GW's stuff is shot through, the same facility that is constantly tapped out and failing to meet overall kit demand. GW does not and cannot spin up new plastics injection plants at will, ya turd-mouthed idiot.

a) they are not a subsidiary, and b) by your own retarded logic GW would be unable to poach "Forgeworld" employees for 40K if "Forgeworld" was a totally separate entity.

You put on an absolute showcase of Dunning Kruger excellence, though, grandpa dumbfuck.

>>96912068
Why are you so angry?

>>96912118
Because people who confidently spout wrong information based on a misapprehension of their own level of intelligence/capacity for logic are the worst, and should be shot in the stomach with cannonfire.

>>96912068

>t. my uncle worked at GW, speaking out of the ass without any proofs

>Bitching about semantic name
I'll type SG, because it's shorter. You retard can bitching all day all you want.

How come when AT got a big release all SG mysteriously got a huge content drought? Similarly when AI got their big releases the same thing happen. Oh wow unlike you i'm not speaking out of my ass. Meanwhile 40k/AoS unaffected. Oh wow they totally didn't get "their own machine"

>>96912159
Ironically I now understand. Go on.

>>96910729
You are partially incorrect- you need to roll for mesh on the trading post since rolling is the innate part of he "trade action" and you cannot trade on the tradepost without making it.
I also wouldnt say that getting gear from TP at gang creation is "allowed by any sensible person", gang lists exist for a reason, its already samey enough after 2 or 3 cycles- why speed the uniformization up?

Holy shit new big update for Warcry
IT LIVES

>>96912190
>Ackshually I'll call the company G, because it's shorter than GW

>>96912190
>How come when AT got a big release all SG mysteriously got a huge content drought? Similarly when AI got their big releases the same thing happen. Oh wow unlike you i'm not speaking out of my ass. Meanwhile 40k/AoS unaffected. Oh wow they totally didn't get "their own machine"
Because SDS is only allowed to release a specific amount of plastics, you fucking fool. They have limits precisely BECAUSE they're sharing the same production capacity of the rest of the company. They cannot make Necromunda sprues 24/7 while endless marineslop needs to be made.

Shove your LARPing misinfo up your eurotrash ass.

>>96912843
>Because SDS is only allowed to release a specific amount of plastics,
What are you even try to argue about? they have their fucking machine, and the production was being hogged by the new game, which require a fuck tons of sprues, that's why the release was ass. No marines were affected by this. In fact, they released warcry which is the single biggest side game launch in GW history, 1 single release equal to 2 years of Necromunda release.

>>96912755
>anons are too busy arguing autistic corporate conspiracy theories to notice a major update for the best game in the thread topic
on brand
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hcnpn7ys/helsmiths-of-hashut-burst-into-warcry-alongside-a-new-matched-play-update/

>>96912755
>>96913159
Cool to see the chorfs get their promised rules and battle traits and blessings being added to matched play properly rather than being hidden away in some random expansion book and WD issue as optional rules. Not a fan of the nerf to universal abilities without an accompanying balance pass to faction abilities though, there are too many warbands that are stuck with just absolute trash faction abilities that are basically forced to rely solely on those universal abilities.

>>96912755
Why these chorfs remind me of Ironjawz, They could use WAAGH as something similar to DPP. And the first double is way better than Ironjawz charge. (with no Gore-grunta)

>>96913159
Hell yeah

>>96909721
Ew, jesus. I think I'll stick with the last edition then.

>>96912424
I suggest you re-read the post game action section. The Action performed is Trade, and the Seek Rare can only be made IF a Fighter has made the Trade action. Common gear is purchased as part of the Purchase Equipment part of the Trade action, not as part of Seek Rare. As for Common gear at start it is the difference of one game, and when it comes to weapons it only primarily affects non-Gangers/Juves. Hence why it is a very minor thing for a reasonable Arbitrator to allow since it breaks nothing if they have players that want it. It primarily comes up with players wanting to use old Necromunda models.

>>96912885
No, you made all of this up. Games Workshop has one (1) production facility for plastic.

>>96917116
And your proven 100% factual is that these SG motherfuckers are on their hands and knees begging for GW to stop producing Space Marine so they can make their kits, they're even more pathetic than they had to be.

But the only provable facts is that 40k and AoS still chugging out big release like usual, while only production of SG are struggling against each other for releases, what is the conclusion from this? What kind of mind blowing discovery are you bringing in this journey for enlightenment?

>>96884855 (OP)
As a necromunda fan this whole situation is so fucking ass, its been years since we got an errata meanwhile 40k/AoS/HH/kill team get a consistent stream of new stuff/rules, and errata.

Sure we'll get something this weekend but that's it until next march probably and if its not a gang that you play, shit luck - its been years since book of desolation released and we still have no upgrades for any of the other gangs, at the rate things are going it'll be a decade before we see any of the other interesting parts of necromunda actually explored and when we do it'll be divided piecemeal over the course of two years, I miss apocrypha.

Id kill for even a one-off ruleset to let you make inquisitor style forces, just rules for making your own dudes and a barebones campaign, no need for new minis or even a physical release, just drop it and rake in money as people buy overpriced kits to make their dudesmen...unfortunately that'll probably never happen, it's 42 flavours of space marine shite from no until the heat death of the universe

>>96917310
>just rules for making your own dudes
Elaborate? I assumed you want something like Venator but each individual has a different skill set instead of the same for whole gang?

>>96917414
Somewhat like venators, archetypes of characters, guardsman/xenos/mechanicus, they have a pts cost and some restrictions - you can make the force of your imagination but it will be smaller in size over a more themed force/not have any bonuses.

For example:

Mechanicus force, can take more than one archeotech weapon/item per warband, less restrictions on certain units like combat servitors (maybe a non-mechanicus only gets 0-1 per warband) some bonuses to represent them working in synch using noosphere or the like.

Puritans - cant hire mutants/xenos or use things like daemonhosts/chaos items, gain access to more holy relics, faith based bonuses.

Rogue traders, access to wide variety of imperial/xenos gear, can hire more than one xenos per warband, cant hire things like sisters of battle, no access to faith powers, bonus t creation spend to represent wealth.

Some gear is inquisition only, locked into certain ordos, also some archetypes are locked out of some gear, you can give a guardsman imperial gear, you cant give him xenos stuff etc.

Reward themed warbands over mary sue warbands.

>>96917310
N23 is in a weird place, and always has been since back when it was N17. That we have ended up with as much as we have is actually sort of surprising all things considered. But it will never be a mainline product given that at its core it is the anthesis of current GW product design mentality. That being it is a game where you need few kits to play forever, have numerous options that exist outside the kits, encourages customisation and house rules, etc etc. They want their games to be locked down to what is in boxes and selling you as many boxes as possible.

>>96917557
also you get you leader and say, 12 'slots' max, a guardsman is worth one, a vet guardsman is two, a xenos is at least two possibly more , a huge combat servitor is 4, a servoskull is half

>>96917310
>I need new thing!
Disgusting.

>>96917566
I feel ya, its a shame, if they'd errata some stuff and bring back apocrypha id buy more, I have ideas for gangs that currently I just cant make, id like to do a proper wyrd gang but the outcast rules are terrible for wyrds or a psyker themed venator gang...but you only get one psyker and you cant hire bounty hunters.

>>96917596
i'd be happy of the old thing got an errata, more than anything im tired of the endless space marines.

>>96917310
>>96917557
If they do an Eye of Selene thing I could potentially see them doing a Rogue Trader landing party 'gang' akin to Venators where it has xeno racial profiles. And other assorted Imperial flunkies. It would be the easiest way to officially include the stuff outside of a free PDF without completely breaking the lore.

>>96884855 (OP)
What kind of feat would a Rogue Trader have to do in order to be gifted or ability to purchase a battleship?

>>96917624
when tho? I dont want to be negative but depending on what the developers had in mind, it could be 5 years before we even get there, delaque still dont have a vehicle and im pretty sure next release is either gonna be combine corpse grinder cult/chaos or more on the aranthian storyline.

>>96917642
>aranthian storyline.
>vehicles
Wow, neither of those things are really necromunda though, necromunda is underhive gangers, vehicular combat and politics of noble houses are far outside of that scope.

>>96917608
If we are going to get some more proper Wyrd stuff it will probably be whenever they get around to doing Scallies. I hope for a Wandering Wyrd Brute akin to what they did for Beastmasters.

>>96917642
great naval victory over heretic fleet, find a lost one and restore it, give mechanicus something of immense value (stc fragment?)

>>96917675
It was mentioned as potential expansion in year 2 but the game has been passed through so many hands their original vision has been lost. Dark Uprising and the ongoing Enforcers support happened because Enforcers are hugely popular, being requested on GW social media on every Necromunda post, because the words of mouth is that Judge Dredd is in Oldmunda and they're OP and shit on noobs in the game, so naturally everyone want to be them.

>>96917675
Who knows. The only reason I think it is even a possibility is because it would be a relatively easy thing to do since it would be ZM but with extra space themed environmental hazards. And they could make a generic Cargo Cult gang box for it.

>>96917695
>Wow, neither of those things are really necromunda though, necromunda is underhive gangers, vehicular combat and politics of noble houses are far outside of that scope.

>>96917695
unfortunately aranthian is a thing now, some vehicles are okay if you want to mad max it in the wastes, 2.5 had vehicles, with regards to nobles and such, cats out of the bag there too.

>>96917710
Scavvies would be a dream come true, honestly even just as an outcast add on, previous edition had designers talk of scavvy liches controlling plague zombie hordes

>>96917732
Fuck, yeah I meant Scavvies. There is the mutant archetype for Outcast at the moment via one of the Apocrypha PDFs but it isn't super extensive or anything. I could see them doing them as part of another Seccundus style expansion relating to whichever hive it is that is over run with mutants and plague zombies.

>>96917756
honestly each gang should get its own secundus, use outcast rules as basis for 'enemy' gang, forbidden cities cold have wyrd cult, hive mortis could have scavvies and zombies etc.

>>96917732
>>96917756
The Outcast Archetype for mutants is in 11 - Devils Of Gunk Deep if you are looking for it.

>>96917776
I don't think anyone would be opposed to more content in the long run. The only reason Van Saar got anything for Seccundus was because GW is retarded and made a new kit for it. Which would have been fine if that is all it was but then they made the Tek Hunter profile and because it had to be legal straight out of the box made them all Specialists and fucked things up. I mean I play VS but I can objectively see they are a problem due to how the profile was made.

>>96917794
Tek Hunters are the most blatant example of the people working on these games literally don't give a fuck. Van Saar is on 4th kits now but we still got lasgun and not the OOP weapons from the resin pack. Tek Hunters look more like a wannabe Kill team than an actual attempt at making something interesting.

>>96917848
I can see exactly how it happened but yeah no one thought out the consequences of doing what they did. But whoever came up with them clearly didn't give a fuck given how stupid the VS Mancatcher is. There is no reason not to take a normal Flamer and Power Knife instead of it as you will do better and not have to suffer Unstable. The Long Las being one of the specialty options is also hilarious given that Long Las are Common despite being Special weapons. Very cool kit and gives me more body/neck combos to work with including another female one since the inclusion of the female in the base VS box fucked up overall combo options, but the actual rules outside of a few things is absolutely scuffed. And being able to access that many Specialists right out of the gate really fucks thing too.

>>96917642
I doubt there's any situation where a battleship could just be purchased for cash. If a Rogue Trader has a battleship, it's likely because he found a wrecked ship and restored it or he captured it from heretics in a boarding action.

>>96917642
Realistically either salvage covered under his writ, or if by some means the Navy was decommissioning one and he has favour with them he could purchase and refurbish it. Neither is something that would really happen in the current day, if your family has something of that size it is something that was acquired in the past and held onto.

>>96917192
>But the only provable facts is that 40k and AoS still chugging out big release like usual, while only production of SG are struggling against each other for releases, what is the conclusion from this?
This is not a description of reality. It is a delusion formed in your own rickety mind. I don't even know how to talk to you because you're a conspiracy-pilled schizo freak.

If the entire company can produce, on average, 10 units of plastic per month, and they decide to allot, on average, 5 of those to 40K, 4 to AoS, and 1 to SDS, that does not indicate in any way, shape or form that SDS has their own secret production facility.

Your brain is rotten!

>>96917949
>shape or form that SDS has their own secret production facility.
They could be producing kits out of your asshole and that literally didn't change my point, and it's not about whether its production line, facility, machine, or your asshole. It's about SG and the 40k/AoS are not the same, and by your own words, they're limited, and by fact : constantly fighting over your the possession of your asshole to shit out kits.

>>96917848
I'm convinced that necromunda could be a top-tier game, but while some changes such as re-release the resin kits, semi regular apocrypha and errata a couple of times a year are pretty easy to implement, for it to truly shine gws attitude needs an overhaul.

The aversion to mixing lines/kitbashing/cross promotion that's taken hold, its now all straight out of the box builds and the only articles are just ''influencers'' do straight out of the box builds with variant paintjobs, utterly uninspiring.

>>96917971
GW kvetches at the possibility that a 3rd party might make $1 supplying the demand of options in their games that they don't make official models for. It is a poisonous mindset that won't be going anywhere unfortunately. Chapterhouse and its consequences forever scarred GW. But also GW management is just retarded in general which doesn't help.

I finished my first bfg feet bros, pretty stoked lads.

>>96917968
You don't have a point, you have a brainworm and Polish citizenship.

>>96917971
?
Necromunda is one of the last places in GW
where kitbashing and proxying is subtly allowed/encouraged.

>>96918876
And you are a retarded chimp worked at Snopes who went on a wall of text "fact check" over pedantic nothing burger. And eventually you came to the same conclusion as me. It's really amusing, like watching a primate evolved into a normal human in a day.

>>96918867
Nice anon, very cool

>>96919004
Thank you anon

>>96918888
Everything you said was incorrect.

>>96917642
>Gifted or Purchased
Nothing short of recovering complete STC blueprints, and even then it'd probably be one that's sitting in the reserve fleet, not a front-line unit. More likely the RT is able to salvage one from a Space Hulk or as a derelict.
The problem is keeping it in fighting condition, which would require some significant logistical backbone to do - and you'd have to remain in good graces with the AdMech at all times in order to get a drydock large enough to accomodate it for regular maintenance and more complete repairs.

>>96917310
I just want them to finish adding the gangs from the old game like they said they would.

Brat Gangs
Scavvies
Ratskins

Really hope we see one of these on Friday. I guess I’d also be cool with Corpsegrinders getting an update, especially if it comes with a redesign to make them less ass to play as/against.

>>96917557
I can do a lot of meme things with Venators and Outcast, but god damn it is a chore to find ways to "bend" rules with hanger-on and leaders (in the case of the outcast) to make a build work.
Like I want to build a gang based around weapons with status effects like blaze, cursed, shock, etc. The easiest option would be run Outcast with Hagar Freelord as the leader (access at the start to the trade post to rarity of 8) and a Tech Merchant (Reduce the trading post by 2), but the issue is that the outcast champion and gangers suck ass so they can't really make use of the status effect weapons unless you go the very annoying rout templates spam.

>>96918885
Their rules go back and forth from do whatever you want to just use what comes in the box. You can see it in the rules of some gangs like Enforcers.
Started with just use what the kit has, then they made badzone enforcer. Then we got the newer rules that is a mix of both ideas.
It almost feels like rules are made for fun till corporate looks at them, what version gets to be printed is pure luck.

>>96918141

No, it's because Chapterhouse established that writing rules for something doesn't give you ownership of models unless you also produce them.
GW are quite rightfully concerned that if they write rules for something but someone else gets in and makes the model first, GW might very well be infringing on THEM rather than the other way round.

>>96917310
Necromunda is in such a position that any changes from GW will probably make it worse. It's good that it's flying under the radar. A few resin minis now and then (that are sculpted with pure love for the setting) is enough for me. Really, everything's already been discussed in this thread, but I can't understand how people legitimately have any hopes about things becoming better. We're way past the golden age. It is what it is, but Necromunda is still surprisingly free compared to other GW games.

>>96921038
But at the same time we have a multitude of delegations and dramatis personae that have been missing models for half a decade. Necromunda is an anomaly. It's thr last bastion of pre-chapterhouse GW ideals

>>96921111
Spyrers are missing half of their weapon options and it happened to be vastly superior to the one on the kit. The entire Spyrer redesign is such a disappointment. Somehow ashwing helamite, the crappy pet dog of Nomad get funded for a full sprue, but an entire Spyrer gangs are cramped inside a half sprue.

>>96921201
I'd argue Nomads are more of a real gang than Spyrers. You could compare Spyrers to Malstrain if anything, but yes, it's wierd that we haven't seen an upgrade for them.

>>96921252
Malstrains are such a strange gang.
I can understand vehicles/mounts for gangs, but why make an entire gang for just one type of campaign that isn't actually meant to be played.

>>96921252
>I'd argue Nomads are more of a real gang than Spyrers
That's not the point, the point is that the Ashwing helamite is a shitty pet dog, but got approved into production instead of something else more playable, The Helamite alone are completely useless without any fighter accompany it. Even as a Nomad player, there're better fighter to be made in plastic, like the Stormcaller.

And even if you want a beast master Nomad and use these Helamite, GW nickels and dimes you by giving you only 1 sprue of these fuckers. They're 30 credit in game, not 200, you'd expect GW to pack 2 duplicate sprues. And they still sell these pets at the normal price as any gang box.

>>96921260
You could say the same about Spyrers. I think the whole Hive Secundus box was proposed internally as more of a Blackstone Fortress/Warhammer Quest thing with Necromunda Compatibility. Nothing about it makes much sense. Great models, though.

>>96921297
I'm no expert when it comes to molding, but those spindly legs are not easy to cast in resin. Someone had an idea and somehow that idea made it into plastic. I'd say Nomads needed more bugs, it's part of their characteristics. Spyrers already have 3 distinct archetypes. It's basically a finished faction once the upgrade halfsprue is released

>>96921252
>>96921302
>>96921338

Spyrers are not the same as Malstrain, Spyrers got full control of their skill, giving them interesting build. Like a twin gun blazing Orrus, they can infiltrate, or simply run it down. Malstrain genestealer got 1 playstyle : run it down.

Spyrers are fondly remembered because of the rigs, they're not "Archetype", they're not "masterchief but he changed the weapons". Each rigs has a distinct appearance. They deserved a proper funding like a normal gang (or the pet dogs).

The lore of Spyrers went beyond Necromunda, they're part of the phenomena called "Assassination Cult", a group of rich people killing for fun. These cults have tie to Ordo Sicarius, the Inquisition branch that deal with Officio Assassinorium, hired to kill the Assassins.

>>96921501
The archetypes are fat nigga, fast nigga and normal nigga

>>96920447
Brat gangs?

>>96922618
I take it you're completely unaware of necromunda lore?

>>96922618
Basically rich kids with daddy’s credit card committing ultraviolence on the poor. Distinct from Spyrers in the new iteration as Spyrers are Helmawr’s children, Brats are the kids of the other noble houses.

Basically the Droogs from Clockwork Orange.

>>96923188
>>96923043

Ah, I didn't realise there were gang rules for them, thought it was only Spyrers for nobility

>>96920447
At no point did they say they would do that.

>>96920562
Untrue, the very first version of Enforcers were allowed to buy stuff from the Trading Post. There was some debate about it (by cucks imo) and ultimately they explicitly wrote in the FAQ that Enforcers could go to the TP.

Also, even if you were right about that.... one gang is not "back and forth"?

>>96920447
Ratskins are never coming back given the current political environment. Even the Ratskin Map that was in the rules has been replaced by Domerunner Map in N23. At this point the last vestiges of Ratskins even existing in the N17/N23 lore is from Book of Peril which had the Ratskin Map and Stubbs background talking about him being half Ratskin. Nomads kind of cemented them never coming back having elements of the original Ratskin lore rolled into them, which is hilarious given Ratskins were not violent tribals in Outlanders.

>>96925110
>84%

>>96922618
Escher that are into femdom

>>96925871
that's redundant

>>96925968
Not really. They're lesbians who hate men.
Femdom is women who love men, but want to dominate them

Are there any good STL sets for goblin secret weapons? I don't really want to go through forgeworld for the pieces that make the team worth playing.

>>96927040
You are literally stealing food from the plates of James Workshop's children. How dare you.

>>96927112
Let them eat filament.

>>96927169
You can actually print in edible filament. You should have said let them ingest resin instead.

>>96927251
Cake is edible too.

>>96927339
You shouldn't be printing your models in cake anon. Maybe your terrain if it is Christmas themed or something, but you will still upset the gingerbread purists.

>>96927369
Thank you for reminding me that I should try and run a Christmas village Mordheim battle this December.

>>96927369
I will eat the gingerbreadnaught and you will do nothing about it.

>>96918867
That looks cool. The color palette seems a little bit dull but works great in a fleet.
What i see are 3(4?) x Cobra squads, 1 x Firestorm squads, 2 x Sword squads, 2 x Light Cruiser Dauntless (torpedos), 2 x Dauntless (Laser), 2 x light cruiser Endurance (?), 9 x cruiser (Dominater, Dictator, Lumar?) and 3 x battleships?

>>96925092
Lead creative said that in the Necromunda twitch stream back when they did those. Same place he said Brats were his favorite gang and that Spyrers would come back as well and would be distinct from Brats.

>>96928971
Damn son, you know your shit, here is a better photo of the scheme with proper lighting. Saying it's the fleet of Battlefleet Minerva (Armageddon sub-sector no offical scheme as far as i know)

Battleships: Emperor, Retribution, Invincible

Cruisers: Jovian, Mars, Tyrant (2), Gothic (2), Dominator, Lunar

Light Cruisers: Dauntless Torpedos (2), Dauntless Lances (2), Enforcer Systems Ships (2)

Frigates: Sword (3), Firestorm (3), Falchion (3); Destroyers: Cobra (8), Viper (4), Widowmaker (4)

Good eye to spot anything in that blurry photo though haha

>>96927040

Brute Fun and Punga both do great Goblin teams but you probably want the whole team because they are very stylized and won't match the GW aesthetics if mixed.

>>96926092
>They're lesbians who hate men.
That's a modern assumption that isn't reflected in the lore, not even in the new-lore.
They hate most non-escher men, the single example of an escher man being born who wasn't a degenerated weakling was integrated in their society without issue. Aside from that they do infrequently have Orlock men and that's recognized across the entire house, which leaves plenty of room for individual escher girls to shack up with any regular man they feel like, I mean modern IRL feminists hate men and they fuck men belonging to their political opposition every week, IME angry feminazis are actually the easiest to take home from the bar.
And nowhere in any of their lore anywhere is it stated that they are lesbian.

>>96929677
Feels like the sisters of battle chastity thing.
Nowhere in the lore says they are not in the old or new, not even in the paid fan fiction that is the Black Library books.
But some how dumb twats think sisters do not have sex. Like where the hell do you think the orphan child of imperial "officers" for the schola are coming from?

>>96929851
>
The one order of SoB is even dedicated to running a breeding program amonsgt the nobility under the guise of being tutors and political advisors, all in the name of bringing about Living Saints through eugenics.
Part of this is promoting the bloodlines of the devout and turning less religious noble families into zealots, and what better way to turn a noble religious and ensure his children have religious tendencies in their genetics than to have the hot Sisterhood teacher fuck him herself? Also the standard uniform of this order is a dominatrix dress.

>>96929946
Yeah there is also that. No idea where the idea even came from, is not like real life nuns are all celibate.

>>96929985
>not like real life nuns are all celibate.
Even if they were supposed to be they wouldn't be, most priests have families nowadays and that's one of the things their religious rules say they cannot do.

>>96929985
Wait.... YOU CAN FUCK NUNS!?

>>96930026
Your father did you a disservice if he never informed you that women who are institutionally required to be celibate are the ones most desperate to fuck.
Housewives, Catholic Schoolgirls, Nuns, etc...

>>96930022
> their religious rules say they cannot do
Not really, that comes from an economic reason. If priest could merry their property and also the property of the church could be taken or pass down to their offspring. So in order to prevent that they put the rule of celibacy.
There is no religious reason to prevent breeding. Remove the economic issues of church property as it happen in later years and the rules about celibacy slowly stop mattering.
It stay there for tradition but there is no theological reason to be there.
>>96930026
Yes they can, but they usually do not, since they are so dedicated to the great work of God. BUT some orders and cloisters do not give a fuck
Monks and Nuns are usually celibate because they are separated from the rest of society, but nuns themself there is no inbuilt celibacy vow, most do though. Priests celibacy status depends on the spinoff of Christianity.
Fun subject though

>>96930088
>but there is no theological reason to be there.
Yes there is and you just stumbled across it, you all but saw it.
>to prevent the churches property from being inherited by the priests children.
This is because only the Chosen are permitted to own things, being steward of their property is sufficient worldly reward for a soul, having children on top of that would be greedy.

>>96930103
Anon... Do not go full weekend gringo Christian on me please.
it was not a religious reason it was an economic reason. It was changed because they saw the issue it was causing and would cause down the line so they made their priest celibate to prevent the bullshit down the line. Divinely inspired you might say.

>>96930154
>it was an economic reason.
Yes, insofar as the entire christian religion exists for "economic reasons"

>>96930210
>It's amazing how much anon discourse is just anon pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

>>96930249
It's good that you can step outside yourself and reflect on yourself in this way.
To educate you: the existence of the christian religion was about enslaving the European peoples to middle eastern morality and putting their money into middle eastern pockets.
Now they don't need the Europeans anymore, 95%+ of the christian faith is currently third world.

>>96904589

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Vote Labor, plz.

Will we ever see new 40k Warhammer Quest?

>>96930821
No, it sold to well and there is too much of an interest in 40k as a setting. We will get Age of Smegma quests instead

Hey fa/tg/uys, working on a Dark Heresy 2e campaign set in Necromunda, was wondering if I could get some of you boys (and the non-existent girls) to give me some inspiration for "Media that exists in Necromunda."

Reason? I want my players to mention the stuff their characters 'know', which often comes in the form of propaganda reels, local media slop, and whatever imported Anime Bullshit they managed to get their hands on from outside Necromunda.

In other words, a list of shit they can bullshit about as much as they like, some of it might even be true!

Current, non-exhaustive list of silly ideas:
- Crimson Fisto, an animated show about a Crimson Fist and his imperial friends murdering the shit out of Orks, the Orks are exactly as described in other Imperial Propaganda.
- The Escher Chem Girls, sing songs like "Gangs just wanna have fun" and other banger tracks that'll get stuck in your head.
- Richard Irwin the 954rd's "Sumpcroc hunter", big burly guy with a strange accent wrangling the local wildlife for fun.
- Container Conflict: Bunch of middle-hivers buy abandoned armored containers and speculate on their contents, berated for having a ton of staged content (Literally)
- Shas Vre: Tau propaganda that made its way onto Necromunda by unknown means, decent animation quality, but the portrayal of Imperial forces isn't very flattering (Heretical)
- Friends, season 9
- Arbites Foreboding, featuring the titular character and his iconic oversized gun.

>>96930821
probably. I didnt have much interest in blackstone fortress though.
>>96930841
I dont think it ever had production issues like cursed city did.

What are some good puns to use with my Orc BB team? I don't know American Football, but I think it would be fun to reference something and kit colours.

>>96929198
For me the color sheme needs golden side weapon highlights. Like what you did with the dorsal decorations.
Nice fleet you got there.
That picture isnt that blurry. But it is hard to see the battlecruisers dorsal lances.
>Falchion
>Widowmaker
>Viper
But you dont have any design sculptings to differentiate them?

Is Blitzbowl a good intro into Blood Bowl? Been mulling over getting into Blood Bowl for a while, and realized the Blitzbowl boxes at Barnes and Noble aren’t knock offs but a beginner set like 40K and AoS has.

>>96931485
There used to be a team called the Washington Redskins prior to “woke” finally compelling the change. Depending on your play group you might be able to get away with the “Morkington Greenskins” or however you want to say go about it.

>>96932101
It's an entirely different game with similar themeing. I know people that enjoy blitzbowl, I've played it but i'd much rather just paly Blood Bowl.

You'll get some minis and dice that useful, but not enough minis for 7s by itself. Is it a bad purchase? Not really, but be aware that it is its own thing rather than a start set.

>>96931485
The Orcland Raiders were a classic punteam name.

>Capcha
>0RXPT, that's right orx do need PT when they're playing on a Blood Bowl team

>>96932237
I see, does Blood Bowl have flexible lists? I figure if I get the Blitzbowl box to play with family and friends I could still supplement the models to a bigger team.

>>96932649
Uhhh yes and no. Here are the universal limitations for every team:

>No team can have more than 16 active players rostered for a game, including journeyman/stars hired (players out from injuries have their spots left open, ie if you have 16 permanent hires and 3 are out injured, you have room to hire 3 journeymen and/or star players)
>Each team has a list of positions with a limited number of each position available to be rostered (this limit applies to temporary hires as described above). Most teams have at least one position generally referred to as linemen, which are your most basic, run of the mill player typically relegated to the line of scrimmage and typically allows for up to the full 16 players. While other positions usually are more like 0-1, 2, 4, or in some cases 6 of each.
>Every team must have 11 rostered players at the start of a match (basic journeymen players will be provided at no cost if injured players leave a team underneath this minimum)
>GW sold team boxes will include *most* of these more limited positions, depending on the team, some of them will have everything.
>With the latest edition they want this to be true more often than not, and many rosters had those limited positions reduced in available numbers to match what is in one box.

Tl;Dr most teams you still need to buy two team boxes to have a "full" team, not every team will want to have a 16 man roster, but unfortunately now more of the minis in the second box are sort of wasted because you can't field them. Blitz bowl sets are sort of in a similar position, where you aren't going to be able to use the specialized players from that box, but the more basic linemen will come in handy. To use humans as an example, it's actually a fairly decent start to do: Human Blitz Bowl > Human Team Box > Ogre. That's 19 miniatures in all, with 3 of them sadly being of no use (a third thrower, blitzer, and catcher you aren't allowed to bring), but enough for a 16 player roster.

>>96932973
Thanks for the info, I’ll look into it further in regards to the boxes the stores have. I suppose if it comes down to it, the extra models can be painting exercises to determine the color scheme.

This rule for retreating should have been kept in MESBG throughout all of its expansions, and I won't hear otherwise.

>>96929851
To play doubles advocate given the SoBs are very clearly based on Nun Orders it is pretty easy to understand why that assumption would exist. Plus the setting has a literal God of debauchery and the allure of casual sex could easily be seen as a gateway to corruption. Or at the very least a distraction from their faith. As far as actual Nuns being celibate IRL goes that varies as well but traditionally they are supposed to be celibate as you would send troublesome promiscuous women to a nunnery with the intention it would teach them to stop being such a slattern.

>>96931814
Not a bad suggestion anon, might have to give it a test. Thank you too.

There is differentiation but fairly subtle, the Falchion was made with the Voss prow originally but i wanted one with the standard prow so i just added some torpedo tubes, the widowmaker has a radar dish and the prong and the viper has extra torp tubes.

More squat stuff.

>another plastic necromunda squat kit
I had no idea they were that popular.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/o1rgb5xp/world-championships-preview-ozostium-aranthus-seizes-the-throne-of-hive-primus/

More enforcers and Squat

We're back to the old days again, side gangs taking over of Clan House.

At least the Squat Champ get a new pattern for the already exist guns.

>>96935535
I have yet to see anyone actually play squat. I've seen people buy them, but no one plays them nor use the minis for other games and I know this people they do not play other games.
For me it is a complete mystery as to why they do it.
They do not even buy multiple kits as they do for other gangs or armies. So it is even more puzzling.

>>96931485
Orcs N Saws/Arkansork Razorsquigs
Orkandville Jaguawaaaghs - using bits from Amazons
Kansork City Cheefs/Teefs - Give them a cheerleader "Taylork Wiffs"
New Ork Big Un's - take a Giant
Teefrattle Sea-orks - they hunt Atlanteans

Dark water looks fun

>>96932128
NTA but I’m calling my Khorne Team the Kurgan Commanders (or Warchiefs) and painting their skin red since it’s a common khorne mutation

>>96935503
>>96935535
This solves the mystery of the bunch of weapon options they have in the book but weren't in the recent kits that came alongside it. I am happy we are getting the kit, but annoyed they waited so long to do it since most people already converted up these missing options.

>>96936624
They came with a new body, they didn't sell you just an arms.

>>96935585
My biggest gripe with the new Squat box is that yet again they are cramming it full of Bolt Spitters instead of putting in some of the basic Saw PPW. Bolt Spitters are great and all, but everyone in the roster has access to the saws and the only place the bit is available is in the accessory sprue, of which there is a measly 1 per sprue, so 2 total in the accessory box. For a weapon that their whole roster has access to. Absolute fucking bullshit.

>>96936657
I'm unsure what point you are trying to make here.

>>96931485
As the other anon mentioned, a play of the Washington Redskins, maybe the Waaaghinton Greenskins.
My favorite are the Mean Bay Smackuz/Green Bay Smackuz.

Any recommendations for recasters selling Mordheim minis? They are surprisingly hard to find

>>96936672
You can make quad slinger with it, better than 2 hand flamers.

>>96936691
They came with body, with new armor. The clan house "missing weapons" are either non-exist, in a resin pack, in a resin pack that is OOP, and didn't come with a body. And you can buy single resin body for some Houses separatedly for the same price as an entire gang. Squat champs kit got everything right out of the box and more value.

And the Houses are still waiting, any days now, It has only been 7 years.

>>96936793
>They came with body, with new armor.
Yeah I think that you have entirely missed the point I was making, but your posts read as ESL so that might be understandable.

>>96929677
This is a well-intentioned but lorelet take.

You can go back to the first Necromunda novel ever printed -- Survival Instinct (Chambers, 2005) -- and see that Escher are in fact generally man-hating.

Or is 2005 "new" to you and Andy Chambers "not technically an OG?

I do agree that there's no reason that hating men prevents Escher from enjoying fucking (or even romancing) men. Lord knows nearly every misogynist still wants to fuck women, and 75% of married American men literally hate their wives.

>>96936858
Even though he's ESL, his point still stands. Those weapons options could have been resin upgrades. It's straight up unfair that Squats have 3 plastic infantry kits while House Gangs, bar Van Saar, only have 2. Hell, CGC is still a 1 box gang. That's Ogryn tier.

>>96938008
I'm more annoyed by the fact he complained "it's been too long" when literally tons of other gangs wait 7 years for shit.

>>96938008
I don't disagree. It seemed like with how relatively few things were missing from the Squat kits they would just release a couple resin models which had those options. It is just weird they are doing another plastic kit, and that they waited so long to release it without saying it was coming earlier. It still would have sold like hot cakes if released alongside the Exo kit.

Can someone please explain the rationale behind releasing a new plastic kit of OC donut steels that infringe on another gang's in-universe function? I think they look dope and all, but it's straight up wierd. It would have made more sense if they were Ozzy's goons or something

>>96938045
It does make some amount of sense if they are in fact his new goons that supplant the existing Enforcers. Keep in mind that the existing Enforcers are literally brainwashed to follow Hewlmar so they probably wouldn't go along with this new ruler. I get the feeling this is the intent and the community article was just bad at explaining it. So they would be his goon squad that goes around keeping the Nobles in line under his new rule.

>>96938024
You are still misinterpreting the original post. No one disagrees about the Houses and other gangs still missing other stuff being a bad thing. But none of those had the same sort of upgrade to real gang that Squats did when they got their own book since back when House books first started. Which was even before the plastic accessory kits started if memory serves. Doing the 'full release' for Squats just to wait 6+ months of radio silence to suddenly drop a further kit to cover the missing stuff without mentioning it was coming at all is just retarded of GW.

>>96938062
>Doing the 'full release' for Squats just to wait 6+ months of radio silence to suddenly drop a further kit to cover the missing stuff without mentioning it

Yes welcome to Specialist Games, you must be new. Back in the day you could be spending truck load on resin only to see it re released in plastic 1 month later for cheaper price.

>>96938084
That was only like 4 years ago if you are talking about the upgrade kits. Specialist hasn't been pulling that same sort of shit since for the most part. This is exactly why this current situation is odd given we know that GW release schedule requires something like a 2 year lead up for any plastic kits.

>>96938045
Ozostium is totally not a Handsome Jack rip off. But he's plastic so he got better treatment than "best gurl in Necromunda" Haera.

>>96938151
Budget got increased, massively. Releases were faster than ever. Yet many are still waiting for their releases. I guess i should have say from the start that Squat complainer is spoiled. The new Squat come with a full characters in different armors. Just buy and build, and replace your current guy, what's the big deal? As oppose to just the arms, now you have to rip the arm off, find spare body, or buy another gang box again.

>>96938277
I get the feeling you don't know much about GW's production process. It isn't a matter of making the STLs for manufacturing the moulds that delays things, it is a literal production bottleneck because they don't have enough production capacity to do things quicker. It is why they can't be properly reactive to any new market demand or popularity without being years late to any relevance.

>>96935535
>>96935585
Strange people are bitching about the Squats when its the Palatines that are getting so much. They even got a medium vehicle which they somehow refuse to release for House gangs.

Wishlist:
Alt gang sprues for house gangs, Starting with Escher since their default champion models are a pain in the fucking ass to build with different weapons due to the jacket or being a fatass.
Ash Wastes pickup with generic driver and gunner that swap with land train crew.
House gang crew kit that can be used on pickup and land train that comes with House specific weapons and vehicle bits.
CGC brute
New Slave Ogryn gang box with new options.

Absolute best thing possible would be a modular "build your own vehicle" kit for Ash Wastes gangs but GW would never do anything that encouraged that much creativity.

>>96938685
CGC brute needs to come with the re-do of the entire gang

>>96938721
They'll probably do a House of Meat book at some point.

>>96938685
Everybody know Enforcers are the Space Marine of Necromunda, they're the most appealing for noobs (go figure) and sell the most (probably). complain about the money maker getting another kit to make GW more money is redundant. Yes BDSM Enforcers are completely unnecessary and boring, but if noobs are buying them, GW will keep making more "Necromunda Space Marine".

>>96938685
>there are people unironically complaining that they dont have an official kit for all their options instead of just kit bashing it from the countless other sources available

>>96938825
Or maybe they want a nice weapon with the exclusive gang pattern. When you're modelling, aesthetic and cool bits do matter, woah! Crazy thinking!.

>>96938897
>Nooo I cant just kitbash [gun], it has to be an official Palanite Enforcer™ [gun]!
Sounds like nu40k aversion to using anything that didnt come as part of the official kit

>>96938897
they could always buy some third party resin bits. there's an almost limitless supply of bits out there for people to use. even if you're lazy and only use etsy there's plenty out there

>>96938825
Issue with the vehicles:

Fucko's are in a really weird corner of scaling and all non-gw model kits are either the wrong size or wrong 'aesthetic'.

Printed options are always there but Resin is and remains **yuk**

>>96939066
Everyone likes cool things, but not everyone sits around moaning that there hasnt been an official House Goliath™ chainaxe or missile launcher in an upgrade kit and just makes one from the countless other sources
>>96939084
Cant comment 2bh Ive never used and dont like vehicles in necromunda

>>96938316
The guy you're arguing with is the same ESL flunkie who was claiming Specialist Games have a secret underground bunker with a single private plastic-injection machine.

He's living in a fantasy he conjured for himself that goes against every scrap of information we've gleaned about GW's production structure, capacity, and pipeline over the last ~10 years.

>>96939302
Actually the new claim is now that it came from your asshole and your mom has recently joined in as part of production, which explain the increased in production capacity.

>>96905077
Can friend-anon please repost? The link has expired but I still crave not-Dredds. Thanks.

>>96939458
gf.io/d/ACYOVO

>>96934172
Thats very subtle. I cant really see that on the fleet pic, but seeing that on the 3D model pic i would guess thats just a design variation of the Cobra destroyers.

Cannot decide what to do next. Help me.
Finish painting mordheim warbands? Skaven and undead have some unpainted models. But no games scheduled for the next 2-3 months.
Continue Necromunda stuff?
Unfinished Goliath warband need some final details and bases. Finally build Escher warband, which is waiting for a year now. A gaming is coming up end of the month.
Or built Tau pathfinder for Killteam and Necromunda. for whenever

>>96940195
Paint whatever you're going to play with most immediately. It's always better to have painted models on the table.

>>96940195
That's a normal pathfinder box, not the pathfinder in Kill team. The kill team box give you a tiny sprue with some extra bits. But it's not too hard to replicate the options from that sprue if you had spare bits.

I hope you also have the normal Escher gang, and not just Death Maiden. You can make a gang out of just Death Maiden box, but it won't be very fun to play.

>>96936859
>2005
Wow it's almost like that's incredibly new and far removed from the ORIGINAL necromunda.

>>96940437
>far removed from the ORIGINAL necromunda
I hate to be the one to remind you of your own mortality and the passage of time but 2005 is in fact much closer to the original Necromunda than it is to the modern day. Even if we go by the original release date of Nucromunda, it's less far removed from original 'munda than the 2017 reboot.

>>96940582
>closer to
Yet it is still far from it, funny how that works, eh?
a hundred years from now a retcon 20 years past the games creation will still be a retcon that came decades past the games creation.
Attemping to make them angry feminazis is injection of modern politics into the game and modern politics can stay the fuck off the gaming table.

>>96936859
>the first Necromunda novel ever printed -- Survival Instinct (Chambers, 2005) -- and see that Escher are in fact generally man-hating.
And how many Escher women are depicted in that novel with names and personalities?
A handful of women and their anecdotal depiction do not represent the entirety of House Escher which numbers in the very least in the tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands (given the population of any given hive and given that Escher is a known name throughout the whole of the planet)

>>96940582
>black library novels as proof of anything
I'm currently reading Flight of the Eisenstein and a combat scene on the moon illustrates an astartes and a daemonspawn fighting on the surface and in two sentences back to back the author describes the nurgle spawn horde of flies being frozen on the ground and then writes how both combatants are bathed in the light of the sun in the airless crater in which they fight.
The moon in full sunlight goes up to 120 degrees Celsius, nothing is frozen on the light side of the moon.
So as has been states numerous times about the Black Library novels, there is no hard canon to them and all are subject to in-universe perspective bias and out-of-universe author ignorance.

What factions would be a good pick for an introductory Necromunda game? Just something to get the feel of the game and try the system out.
I've finally managed to get some of my friends into wargaming and now we're kinda trying out different systems, especially small scale ones.
Also is there anything else total beginners should have in mind before their first game?

>>96942512
All gang houses are decent for starters, though if you're the one introducing them I'd suggest you buy either the starter set and then set up a game of 3 or 4 gangers vs one another whilst you slowly go over the rules.

If you already got gangs or the starter set, use those for a little intro game. Best idea to avoid the more cheesy weapons like webbers or Demolition charges, just lasguns, chainswords, and maybe a plasma if you wanna show them how you can blow yourself up.

Put down a little terrain, explain actions, facing, shooting, cover, charging and melee. Take it slow, and make sure they get to try out what you're telling them whilst you're explaining.

>>96938232
Who's Handsome Jack?
I see him as being a mix between Ozymandius from Watchmen and Dennis Reynolds

>>96940279
This

>>96943173
Thanks for reply and advice anon, will remember all that
>If you already got gangs or the starter set
Nah, we'll only trying the game so far, so we'll probably use some sort of placeholders. Maybe actually buy something if we end up liking it and wanting to play more. So any faction is fine in that respect

>>96942512
>What factions
The Clan House : Goliath , Escher, Orlock, Van Saar, Cawdor, Delaque are the core pillars of the game. Outside of these, you got Enforcers and Squats and Ash waste Nomad.

The rest are "side gangs" atm. Rules for them will be lacking and/or convoluted.

>>96943397
In that case, remember to use the fuck out of Necroraw and Munda Manager or Yaktribe to make lists.

In general, grab whatever House you like the looks of. The rules can be found on Necroraw like I said.

For a shortened version of how the houses play:

Esher: Fast, likes melee, got some good shooty tech, but lacks in real 'punch'.

Goliath: Slow, tough, and can bench press a truck, but their shooting can be lackluster and gangers are a little 'spensive.

Van Saar: Opposite of Goliath fighting wise, best guns and awesome tech, are folded in melee, and expensive to boot.

Orlock: Solid shot weaponry and heavy weapons on specialists, but nothing much special. Cheap shotguns, though.

Delaque: lots of (kinda bad) psychic power access, loves sneaking and have good ranged and melee, but aren't experts in anything.

Cawdor: **BURN THE HERETIC!**

Cawdor is best if you want to just throw NUMBERS at the enemy, or buy a ton of dudes with Blunderpoles and have your friends hate you.

>>96942512
One of the best parts of Necromunda is creating your own dudes, so get them to think of what they want their gang to be etc and help them get into character

>>96943453
>Esher: (...) lacks in real 'punch'
>your leader gets hit by a bleeding, concentrated maiming dart

>>96943453
>Es(c)her... likes melee
except they absolutely suck balls at melee?

>>96944133
>>96944245

They aren't even the fastest naturally, that description sound more like google search and hearsay. Orlock Wrecker is the fastest, even Neotek "green goblin" move faster. Unless Escher used Hyper stim.

Eschers are the Rogue archetype who employed the use of drug for buff, toxin in melee and range, and trickery in melee with their Finesse skills. They're good at both melee and range, and Death Maidens are really good in melee. But their main downside is they lack a good unique weapon, and they spent a lot of credit on toxin.

>play NAF style match
>its Lizardmen
>6 block Saurus

Just fuck off, what the fuck are you supposed to do against that.
>hurrr mark them off and go for the skinks

Yes ill just mark off the wall of str4 pieces and the Kroxigor they can kill my team while their 'weakness' sits behind ready to exploit any gap with inifinite movement. Retard level overpowered team, always fucking has been and I see they didnt bother balancing them with the new edition. Less Str 4 for Orcs, but go ahead and keep your 6 Saurus. Fucking idiotic, reminds me why i quit this dumb game before. You have these match ups that you just lose/draw unless the opponent never played before or rolls really badly.

>>96944498
Why would you complain about the state of the new edition that isn't playtested when you have the option of just playing the older rules instead?
Quit bitching about a self-inflicted problem.

>>96944549
They are too strong in the old edition(s) and wont be much weaker in the new one. Might be easier to hit skinks with free tackle on some blitzers, but thats about it. The Saurus rape will continue

>>96944603
Go look at the FUMBBL win/loss stats for LRB6 and you'll see they are not too strong at all.

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>>96944498

This is why perpetual league is a bad idea anon. You need clearly defined seasons that end in the really punishing redraft rules. Also, getting Block on all the Saurus' wouldn't happen so often if GW just stopped fucking about with how the MVP rules work. Targeted D3 was fucking apalling.