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Anonymous No.96893030 [Report] >>96893457 >>96893708 >>96894398 >>96894564 >>96894565 >>96894652 >>96894742 >>96894985 >>96896544 >>96896578 >>96896678 >>96896699 >>96896912 >>96896919 >>96897002 >>96897064 >>96897159 >>96897255 >>96897313 >>96898410 >>96983024
/2eg/ – Second Edition AD&D
Since /osrg/ has collectively decided 2e doesn't belong in their thread which is fair enough, I thought we could start a thread of our own for it since there are many wonderful settings and rule changes to discuss!

All 2e-related topics welcome here, post your homebrew kits, talk about Spelljammer and classic Forgotten Realms, let's hear those campaign anecdotes!

To kick the thread off, what's your favorite 2e tie-in novel?
Anonymous No.96893457 [Report] >>96893540
>>96893030 (OP)
>what's your favorite 2e tie-in novel?
I found The Ring of Winter to be pretty cool.
Anonymous No.96893501 [Report] >>96893540 >>96903999 >>96906896 >>96954415 >>96954434 >>96954519 >>96954701
People in the /osrg/ love 2e and that's the place to discuss it. OP is just a troll.
Anonymous No.96893540 [Report] >>96893559 >>96893609 >>96894565
>>96893457
Is that one of the Harper novels? I haven't read it! Maybe I should. I'm not big on the Harpers as an FR faction though, it has to be said.

>>96893501
No, that's not true at all. Everyone there except one extremely angry guy agrees 2e isn't OSR and it's never really discussed at all, it's just that one guy screaming.
Anonymous No.96893559 [Report] >>96893586 >>96954577
>>96893540
Fuck off, OP. You made this thread just to try to gaslight this board, and we're not idiots.
Anonymous No.96893586 [Report] >>96893615 >>96894663 >>96954451
>>96893559
Nope! I made this thread out of my genuine love for 2nd Edition. Hoping for some good engagement! I know many anons like Spelljammer, for instance.
Anonymous No.96893609 [Report]
>>96893540
>Everyone there except one extremely angry guy agrees 2e isn't OSR and it's never really discussed at all, it's just that one guy screaming.
That only in your head, retard.
Anonymous No.96893615 [Report] >>96893696
>>96893586
Please, fuck off forever.
Anonymous No.96893621 [Report] >>96893654 >>96893665 >>96893696 >>96894744
Do you use NWP?
Anonymous No.96893654 [Report]
>>96893621
no
worst idea that people actually use, unlike weapon type vs. ac or similar since thief skills
Anonymous No.96893665 [Report]
>>96893621
Yes, I buy from Northwest Petroleum.
Anonymous No.96893696 [Report]
>>96893615
Nah, I started this thread so I'm staying. If you don't like 2e you don't have to post here though, that makes much more sense, doesn't it?

>>96893621
Yes, I really like them actually. There are some that are dumb like riding or swimming proficiency but when it comes to crafts and such they're a great way to add flavor to the character's backstory and bring it into play as well.
Anonymous No.96893708 [Report] >>96893725
>>96893030 (OP)
Thank you for making a separate thread. Good luck with your new general, and may you suffer minimally from the scourge of fishfag.
Anonymous No.96893725 [Report]
>>96893708
Thanks! He's here as you can see but I think he'll get tired of it pretty soon.
Anonymous No.96893940 [Report] >>96894404 >>96954381
Why the losers on the /osr/ general expelled you from there?
Anonymous No.96894398 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
2nd edition is just 1st edition but more refined. If the OSR cucks can't see that then they deserve nothing but games with 5 edition slop with their gay beholders and stupid wheelchairs.
Anonymous No.96894404 [Report]
>>96893940
That's an oversimplification. /osrg/ uses, by general agreement, the older (pre-Reddit really) definition of OSR where 2e isn't included. You can read about all that on the OSR Simulacrum blog if you want:
>https://osrsimulacrum.blogspot.com/2021/02/a-historical-look-at-osr-part-i.html

That said, this thread shouldn't be used for debating /osrg/! It's been created to discuss 2e, which has quite sufficiently plentiful content that it doesn't need boosting with a bunch of board drama.
Anonymous No.96894564 [Report] >>96894686 >>96896738 >>96938310 >>96949102
>>96893030 (OP)
Remember the crpg Planscape Torment? Are there any other 2e settings that got made into a crpg?
Anonymous No.96894565 [Report] >>96894660 >>96894687 >>96954390
>>96893030 (OP)
>Since /osrg/ has collectively decided 2e doesn't belong in their thread which is fair enough,
No, it's not. They're calling it osrg in contravention of the general understanding of what osr means. If they want a 1974 - 1983 only thread, which means excluding
>Unearthed Arcana
>Dragonlance
>most material for what came to be called Mystara
>Oriental Adventures
>Lankhmar
>Forgotten Realms
and such things as, get this,
>The Temple of Elemental Evil
a prototypical osr-like dungeon crawl which came out in 1985
then they can go start a better named thread. Someone reminded them in that thread that C&C is osr and someone mentioned Hackmaster too.Them trying to co-opt the osr name is wrong. /osr10g/ for osr first 10 years general is right there if they want it and on the face of it it's a better name even if "they" decide they want to shoehorn in stuff after 1983 while excluding other things after 1983 and I don't mean just retroclones.

>>96893540
>Everyone there except one extremely angry guy agrees 2e isn't OSR
That's not true. There are at least 2 people who disagree. There might be one extremely angry guy, there's me too. I'm not extremely angry and I posted once in the misnamed osrg thread currently up.

I'd say it's at least three people who care to post about 2e there. While I don't know they're not the same person there are at least two sets of posts that really don't seem like the same person, and there's me.

Then there are all the people who just don't care to get involved in the argument even in a calm way. While they haven't disagreed they haven't agreed and you can't know any more than I if they agree or disagree.
Anonymous No.96894652 [Report] >>96894697 >>96896693 >>96896999
>>96893030 (OP)
Why does this need a general? Nobody plays this garbage.
Anonymous No.96894660 [Report] >>96894687 >>96894772
>>96894565
>I'd say it's at least three people who care to post about 2e there.
There's far more than that. OP is just a troll that loves to gaslight on all levels, including trying to diminish how many people disagree with him as much as possible while boldly bullshitting how everyone else agrees with him.
He knows he's lying and lying hard, he just hopes that people make the mistake of assuming that the truth exists somewhere between what they see and the impossible lie he's telling.
Anonymous No.96894663 [Report] >>96897106 >>96897148
>>96893586
No you fucking don't. This was the edition that led to WOTC's acquisition of D&D and nearly killed the hobby as a whole. This is a disingenuous shill thread to try and kill actual games discussion.
Anonymous No.96894686 [Report] >>96895573 >>96896698
>>96894564
Forgotten Realms got the two big ones Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale. Dark Sun has at least one. I think Al-Qadim has a game but I am not sure what kind of game it is. And Spelljammer has a game of some kind. Birthright has one but I think it is RTS,
Anonymous No.96894687 [Report]
>>96894660
>>96894565
Samefag, nobody really cares about it. It holds nostalgia for a few manchildren who won't grow up. We don't need another shill general that will trickle down to 1 post a week clogging up the thread like /nsrg/ already does.
Anonymous No.96894697 [Report] >>96894714
>>96894652
Just because you don't play anything other than dicks does not mean everyone else does too.
Anonymous No.96894714 [Report] >>96894735
>>96894697
Your shilling won't work and this garbage thread will die 2efag. Stick to your tried and true tactics like trying to hijack generals fucken pussy LMAO
Anonymous No.96894735 [Report] >>96894756
>>96894714
Sorry to hear that you still have retardation and butthurt about 2e being OSR.
Anonymous No.96894742 [Report] >>96894895
>>96893030 (OP)
>Favourite 2nd ed tie in novel
I've been wanting to get into the Dark Suns novels for a while, my understanding is there's at least 2 arcs.
>mul slave rebellion main arc
>desert drizit with a green tiger arc
which one has the least halflings in it?
Anonymous No.96894744 [Report] >>96894850
>>96893621
Psionics mentioned!
Anonymous No.96894756 [Report] >>96894790
>>96894735
It's not OSR, OP admitted it's not OSR, you admitted it's not OSR. Sorry that you got molested as a child.
Anonymous No.96894772 [Report]
>>96894660
Good points anon.
Anonymous No.96894790 [Report] >>96894812
>>96894756
>OP says so therefor it is true.
I guess if OP said 3e is OSR then 3e is OSR.
2e is OSR and you are a retard
Anonymous No.96894812 [Report] >>96894826
>>96894790
Nope, it got banished from OSRG and has its own thread because it's irrelevant. You lose.
Anonymous No.96894826 [Report] >>96894851
>>96894812
More like you banished your brain to your ass. Your retarded posts are irrelevant as at the end of the day 2e will be talked about in /OSRG/ and there not anything you can do about it.
Anonymous No.96894850 [Report]
Also Tom Baxa's art for Dark Sun is great stuff.
>>96894744
If we make a bingo sheet now it would be too easy to get fish. Although it could just be the free middle square I suppose.
Anonymous No.96894851 [Report] >>96894862 >>96894872
>>96894826
Heh, no. It won't be. This thread is going to die and every time I see you post I'm going to point out that your stupid little shill thread fell off the board from sheer disinterest. This is my last post ITT, goodbye nogames loser.
Anonymous No.96894862 [Report]
>>96894851
OP, you haven't fooled anyone.
Anonymous No.96894872 [Report]
>>96894851
Yeah, everyone can tell you love to gargle penises while you get assblashed when 2e comes up in OSR thread no matter what retarded things you say in your posts.
Anonymous No.96894895 [Report] >>96895119 >>96895210
>>96894742
I found the Prism Pentad really boring, had to force myself to read them. I struggled through Denning's Planescape novel too, come to think of it I don't know if I finished it, his writing just isn't worth my time. Not saying you shouldn't read his stuff, just letting you know that if I don't even remembering finishing a novel my memory might have blocked out other details, but I don't think there are many halflings in the Prism Pentad.

In the first book they have to get the macguffin from the halflings so they go to the halfling village for a bit. Then I think the halfling chief makes a few appearances in the next two books as minor character. Then I think halflings are forgotten except as ancient background for the planet.

I don't recall the Sorak books but he is half halfling so if you want to avoid halflings, not a good choice. Plus he is like you say Drizzt, only even more powerful.
Anonymous No.96894985 [Report] >>96895017 >>96895620 >>96906079
>96894565
>That's not true. There are at least 2 people who disagree.
>I'd say it's at least three people who care to post about 2e there.
>Then there are all the people who just don't care to get involved

There's also me, interested mostly in the TSR Setting books people in /osrg/ hate, so I only show up in the odd setting thread (and I tend to use that setting content with 3e, most content got converted, but I would *play* a 2e campaign if the GM was using good setting books). Personally I'm all for an occasional separate thread without the "that's not OSR" screeching. I like a sandbox, but one full of Factions and Churches and Guilds and Knightly Orders and fleshed out NPCs and Towns and NPC Cultures, not just Ye olde wilderness frontier village and a dungeon: beer and pretzels-go.

> If they want a 1974 - 1983 only thread, which means excluding
I think the attitude there is less about years, it's about excluding any grand adventure playstyle content in favor of just dungeon and hex crawling content. They don't all seem to hate Unearthed Arcana or the Wilderness Survival guide - because it doesn't diverge as heavily from the playstyle of that first decade.
> /osr10g/ for osr first 10 years general
/osrf10g/ or /osr10g/ would certainly be less ambiguous.

>96894660
>There's far more than that. OP is just a troll
Any time anyone brings up 2e stuff in OSRG a bunch of screeching autists have a fucking meltdown. Even if there are more than a couple people there who like 2e, you can't talk about it there without people flipping their shit. I have skipped the thread the past couple years because I'm just not that into B/X.

>96894652
Clearly someone is interested enough to make a thread.

>96894663
Your jimmies are seriously ruffled at the idea someone likes the books you don't.

>96894686
Eye of the Beholder and Dungeon Hack count?

>>96893030 (OP)
>Favourite 2nd ed tie in novel
I liked the Netheril Trilogy.

WTF is this 'multiquote bad' BS. I don't want to make 6 posts.
Anonymous No.96895017 [Report] >>96895068
>>96894985
>WTF is this 'multiquote bad' BS.
Presumably it's to stop people from making spam replies where they tag everyone without saying anything of value.
How thT'S CATCHING YOU WITH ALL THE SHIT YOU'RE SAYING IS ANYONE'S GUESS.
Anonymous No.96895068 [Report] >>96895620
>>96895017
>[Waaaaa actual discussion with the people in a thread when you join it is spam!]
You know /tg/ is a 'discussion' board, right?

>tag everyone
I went to tag just people I was replying to. You would really prefer some guy who samefags to tag 6 people in separate messages? Because that is the alternative you would get from people who *discuss* things in the discussion board.

*Back in my day* people actually *talked* about things on /tg/. Fucking /pol/ squatter zoomer wasteland bullshit.
Anonymous No.96895119 [Report] >>96895210 >>96895461
>>96894895
>he is half halfling
Wait wut.
Anonymous No.96895210 [Report] >>96895268 >>96895461
>>96894895
>>96895119
Is that a quarterling or a threequartersling?
Anonymous No.96895268 [Report]
>>96895210
Maybe its recessive so the kid is a 2/3rdsling.
Anonymous No.96895461 [Report] >>96895521 >>96895625 >>96897709 >>96897860
>>96895119
It's right there in my post anon, exactly like it sounds. One day a mummy elf and a daddy halfling were feeling very loving and gave each other a special hug...

Or maybe it was a mummy halfling and a daddy elf
Or maybe one of them got drunk
Or maybe one was just horny
Or maybe one was sexually assaulted

The potential rape is brought up in every book.

The truth is revealed at the end of the last book and it's worse than you're thinking.

>>96895210
The author uses the word elfling.

I also forgot to mention that he suffers from multiple personality disorder including at least three female personalities as well as several male.
Anonymous No.96895521 [Report] >>96895612
>>96895461
>and its worse than you're thinking
That is pretty bad then.
Might just skip the Darksuns novels then.
Anonymous No.96895573 [Report] >>96895746
>>96894686
>I think Al-Qadim has a game but I am not sure what kind of game it is.
It's called The Genie's Curse and is a kind of action-adventure game. Some people loved it when it came out, others thought it was too little of everything and thus a crap game.
Anonymous No.96895612 [Report] >>96895681 >>96895918
>>96895521
Probably for the best, but aside from him going for the feels with a way over the top gary stu, Hawkins is less bad as a writer compared to Denning and three novels are shorter than five so I'd call his the lesser of two evils. Although the character is half halfling I had a sit down to think about it and I don't think there are that many hallfing bits in it. His stuff also wasn't written as part of the metaplot which I think was a faux pas.

The whole box set was
>here's a sorceror king of the starting city, he's trying to become a dragon
>here's a unique dragon, the only one on all of athas, you can't win against him

But then all the releases were
>we're off to kill the wizard king, the terrible tyrant of Tyr
followed by
>we did it
>we're the king now dawg
or
>look at us, we're the ruling political entity now
which went straight into
>we're off to kill the dragon, the deadly dragon of dark sun
which undid box set setting and that's basically the novels. Like Dragonlance, only bad.

If you haven't read them, the three Dragons and the three Twins Dragonlance novels are worth reading.
Anonymous No.96895620 [Report]
>>96894985
>a bunch of screeching autists have a fucking meltdown
That's not really true, in fairness. They're usually pretty polite about it and they'd probably be nicer if they weren't constantly being provoked by that one goblin.

>>96895068
>I went to tag just people I was replying to. You would really prefer some guy who samefags to tag 6 people in separate messages?
I think you misunderstood Anon there, he was just trying to explain how the filter works and why it exists (and fatfingered Caps Lock), not criticize your posting habits. If anything he seems to be confused about why your post tripped the filter since it has actual content in the replies.
Anonymous No.96895625 [Report]
>>96895461
This honestly does not sound like the synopsis of a good book series. Lmao
Anonymous No.96895681 [Report] >>96897104
>>96895612
>Like Dragonlance, only bad.
So, exactly like Dragonlance then?
Anonymous No.96895746 [Report] >>96895836
>>96895573
Have you played it? And if so what do you think?
Anonymous No.96895836 [Report]
>>96895746
I played it when I was like 9 because my dad had it and thought it would be a safe kid game, I thought it was great then but it's not exactly a judgment I would take poison on being correct for an adult, kek
Anonymous No.96895918 [Report]
>>96895612
FWIW I think 4e's Dark Sun supplements put the setting in a good place.
Anonymous No.96896544 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
>2e tie-in novel?
the night parade, check out the cover as well in the wiki. It has the best armored plate for females ever.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/The_Night_Parade

does anyone know what monster this is in the image?
Anonymous No.96896578 [Report] >>96896699
>>96893030 (OP)
>/2eg/ – Second Edition AD&D
add these links in the OP every time you do this, its the most useful of all editions.
https://www.completecompendium.com/
https://github.com/decheine/complete-compendium
https://web.archive.org/web/20180915042513/http://www.lomion.de/cmm/_index.php
http://www.tsrarchive.com/add/add.html
https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_2nd_Edition_Wiki
https://protogenius.com/pregen/
https://ironarachne.com/fantasy/adnd/character
https://www.dragonsfoot.org/se/
https://www.kargatane.com/
https://spelljammer.org/
https://fraternityofshadows.com/
Anonymous No.96896678 [Report] >>96896698
>>96893030 (OP)
>2e tie-in novel?
Black Wizards as well, and most of the dark sun ones. I had the old cover with the fighter and the mage-babe.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Wizards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNBnsMSbooo&list=PLiBZJRxQZnjJkHTdHPOXDxeHSBF8DmHZk
Anonymous No.96896693 [Report]
>>96894652
>Why does this need a general? Nobody plays this garbage.
Yes they do. And its the most important edition, bridging the old and new and providing settings and adventures and material in general like no other had or has since. And it "needs" a general as much as the other generals are needed for their topics.
Anonymous No.96896698 [Report]
>>96894686
>Birthright has one but I think it is RTS,
The Birthright game has a strategy component (it's turn-based though IIRC) and an EOB-like dungeoncrawl component. The big problem of the game is both are weak.

>>96896678
Parkinson tiddy, very nice!
Anonymous No.96896699 [Report]
>>96896578
>>96893030 (OP)
add
https://mojobob.com/roleplay/monstrousmanual/
Anonymous No.96896738 [Report] >>96896833 >>96903940
>>96894564
>2e settings that got made into a crpg?
Ravenloft with 2 computer rpg games (and a bad fighting game)
Dark Sun with 2 computer rpg games (and an online one)
Dragonlance with several
almost all settings got some sort of computer game, whether it was 1e or 2e or 1e/2e hybrid early on

have a 2e tielfling chart that makes them in real part-fiends
Anonymous No.96896833 [Report] >>96896891 >>96897052
>>96896738
>Dark Sun with 2 computer rpg games
Titles? Platform? Any good?
Anonymous No.96896891 [Report] >>96896902
>>96896833
they are the prequel to the infinite engine (looks a primitive ancestor at least) that later gave us BG and IWD and the rest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Sun:_Shattered_Lands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Sun:_Wake_of_the_Ravager
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1904600/Dark_Sun_Shattered_Lands/
http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/2022/01/dark-sun-shattered-lands-summary-and.html
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1904601/Dark_Sun_Wake_of_the_Ravager/
https://classicgames.sorcerers.net/darksun2/
http://darksun.fullylegit.com/compendium.html
https://athas.org/

they would be great as tabletop adventures as well with some adjustments.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpxuazQ7SB4zN_UkoKF3UuLlmCGs3nBT6
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpxuazQ7SB4w0LQ4hECKkV862f-A1DJcj

the Ravenloft duology hd its own engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenloft:_Strahd%27s_Possession
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenloft:_Stone_Prophet

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL168945182FCB74BE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzXn4NpRfxI&list=PLA5AFCC08D8BA0C64&index=3

also check out Menzoberranzan
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcbACK_uiNo5-Lqt8kZNY4fUaQJWtk1HX
Anonymous No.96896902 [Report]
>>96896891
Thanks for the links, Anon! Will look them up.
Anonymous No.96896912 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
>r favorite 2e tie-in novel?
The first i ever read was Pools of Darkness (Faerun) and it was lots of fun, simple and just describing some adventure (this is a bad novel according to reviews and its very simple but at that age it was a magical tale).
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Pools_of_Darkness_(novel)
i liked the cover, and the characters
had a ranger, an amnesiac mage with a cat familiar that turned into a human warrior, two druids, one undead paladin (Miltiades), a blind cleric of Tyr and several others.

11th level undead paladin
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Miltiades

"cat" saber-tooth tiger familiar
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Gamaliel

10th level thief/15th level ranger dual class human
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Ren_o%27_the_Blade

14th level mage-babe
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Evaine

17th level wizard, Shal
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shal_Desanea

and many others
Anonymous No.96896919 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
One of the best structured and fun adventures for 2e was (Ravenloft, 2e) Night of the Walking Dead (lvl 1-3).
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/91763315/#91763315
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/91669877/#91670801
One of the worst structured and miserable adventures for 2e was (Ravenloft, 2e) Thoughts of Darkness (lvl 12-15 but its actually for 25 to 30).

Others were pretty bad, like the Nightmare Keep (18-20 level) that has ultra high level characters go up against some roach/lich things and fight some giant squirrels and things of the sort. But has a useful map.
Anonymous No.96896999 [Report]
>>96894652
>Why do traditional games need a board? Nobody plays this garbage.
ftfy
Anonymous No.96897002 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
>/2eg/ – Second Edition AD&D
problems and solutions in this edition;
Psionics were very bad, solution; convert and adapt the 3.5 psionics to 2e, keeping only the psionicist "psion" class, make all psionics be like magic and magic resistance covers it as well. Prevents chaos and overall mess and confusion.

NWP were a generic and poor system, a new one is needed between the 3.5 skills system (just the skills list so it will all be 2e in the end but functional) and the nwp system with the roll under your ability score (2e style) as the judge of success or failure.

The thief sucks in combat, but the later editions thieves aka rogues are just flank-attack automatons, so the solution is to give the ranger the trapfinding and dealing with capacity and almost all other thieving abilities in the level of the thief and dump the class altogether or keep it for hirelings or for multi-class characters.

bard sucks too, he should have the fate of the thief above, with some adjustments.

these are from the top of my head, there are a few others

many solutions (animal companions and some powers etc) are in effect solved in the 2e computer games and these can be just take to the tabletop and solve the mechanics issues there.

great things in this edition;
multi-class option was great, especially in dark sun. Dual class was sensible for humans as well.
Ranger was a hero and not some random wilderness dude.
and many other things
Anonymous No.96897052 [Report]
>>96896833
play
Eye of the Beholder series (1990-1993)
Spelljammer: Pirates of Realmspace (1992) this sucks but for curiosity should be delved a bit
Dungeon Hack (1993) some randomizer dungeon game
Dark Sun games (1993-1994)
Ravenloft titles (1994-1995)
Menzoberranzan (1994) venture in the underdark
Al-Qadim: The Genie's Curse (1994) sadly this had only 1 character, but was fun otherwise
Deathkeep (1995)
Blood & Magic (1996) rts
Descent to Undermountain (1998)
Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale (1998-2001)
Planescape: Torment (1999) amazing despite railroading non-stop and not really being planescape as ti presented a very specific setting and not an all-diverse mix of worlds (despite claiming it did). So it was a very dark sun structured thing.
Anonymous No.96897064 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
>2e doesn't belong
despite all the Dogmatic Psychopathy of a minority of OSR players the 2e of the game is so close to 1e and to previous editions than to later ones that they all make part of a whole. But 2e is more fun.
Anonymous No.96897104 [Report] >>96897115 >>96898720
>>96895681
No, because the Dragonlance campaign setting book didn't say
>Here's the setting
>Looks like a war is happening
>It's all different now, lol, so random
Instead information about the DL setting was developed with the modules and fiction and the setting book came out much later.

And more importantly, the early DL novels were competently written and are definitely worth reading. You shouldn't bother though for obvious reasons.
Anonymous No.96897106 [Report]
>>96894663
>This was the edition that led to WOTC's acquisition of D&D and nearly killed the hobby as a whole.
the edition is not a human or an entity.

The game was ran by amateurs, or people that did no know what they were doing despite supposedly being professionals from the start and up to and including 2e. This did not change when 3e, 4e, 5e came. The game was always ruled mostly by people that sucked in what they did in varying degrees.

But some fun and good things existed, especially in 2e which is the peak of creativity and then we got too many mechanics (3e, too burdensome yet fun up to a point) and overall retardation up to today.
Anonymous No.96897115 [Report] >>96897164
>>96897104
>Dragonlance campaign setting
it was an incomplete setting that read like a draft that was years away from any completion. The Pantheon sucked and was utterly undeveloped as well as most of the setting.
Anonymous No.96897148 [Report]
>>96894663
>killed the hobby as a whole
that was the fault of gygax himself as he did not know what he fuck was doing. He was a gamer, not a business man (his financial management skill was bad, overexpanded and over-hired and overdiversified and his colleagues, Brian and Kevin, messed up as well) and he had to be both and good at both, and in other things, in order to make things work and evolve with stability. This allowed Lorraine Williams to fuck him over.

2e was and is more fun than all previous editions (and definitely more than 4e,5e and to a degree 3.5 depending on how much a player likes complex or simple mechanics) to and the only later edition that has some useful things is 3.5 because of all the complex mechanics that exist in it. Its like like a warehouse of devices.
Anonymous No.96897159 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
>kits
a review of all 2e kits is needed to ensure some playability for the useless or weak ones and to keep overly powerful ones from ruining the game.
Anonymous No.96897164 [Report] >>96897182 >>96897237
>>96897115
Sorry that you feel that way. Not because you're objectively wrong in your hyperbole which is pretty sad for you but because it was a setting in which were told some good stories by the fiction authors, the module authors, and the players, though I only know a tiny fraction about the stories of that last group it was very much personal to your group or maybe if you had a friend in a different rpg group who played to.
Anonymous No.96897182 [Report] >>96897358
>>96897164
>e told some good stories by the fiction authors, the module authors,
it had good stuff in it, but when viewed in its totality it is utterly incomplete. Its missing huge chunks of things. They should have sat on it for 2-3 years, working on it 24/7 and given us a complete dragonlance and not a rushed product that was not even remotely finished.

example; its underdark or underground world in general is utterly underdeveloped (and there are errors all the place in some books and monster entries).

It had ideas that stayed in vague infancy. Yaggols (moronic mind flayers), various dwarf clans below with some unique elements and other things that were left as such.

And the deities were at 1% of what they should have been. They need "100 pages" and got 1, this is what i mean.
Anonymous No.96897237 [Report] >>96897358
>>96897164
it needed these buit for Dragonlance
https://www.tsrarchive.com/fr/fr-deity.html
Faiths & Avatars
Powers & Pantheons
Demihuman Deities

& for its underground world, equivalent parallels to
Night Below: An Underdark Campaign
The Drow of the Underdark (FOR2) for whatever monster its drow would have been (not referring to the small dark elf group in dragonlance form another setting)
Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark

It of course did not have to be six books, 2 would be more than enough or a pages with substance explaining things.
Anonymous No.96897255 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
Did anyone play City of Skulls, Greyhawk adventure, and finish it with success? Had a party that failed early by gathering notoriety points, and all were slain by one of the squads. Had a party that died by legion of black death orcs in some room. Another succeeded but all party members died except one.
Anonymous No.96897313 [Report] >>96897391
>>96893030 (OP)
We had played Temple of Elemental Evil (2e) with a huge party of 9 people (absolute chaos usually) plus 1 as the DM is a rather small room every sunday. Started from level 1. Party composition was;
1.Paladin
2.Dwarf Fighter
3.Human thief then Ranger dual class
4.Elf mage
5. Dwarf Fighter/Cleric
6.Elf Fighter/Mage
7.Half Elf Druid
8.Human Fighter
9.Human mage

1. died from some fire spell
2. died from drinking acid by mistake, hoping it was a healing potion
3. died from a trap that killed him outright from full hp to -10, cannot recall which trap
4. died from a giant spider
5. died from a giant frog
6. died from green slime
7. died from a troll
8. died from a magical trap, cannot recall which trap
9. died from a magical trap, cannot recall which trap

some were raised via rod or scroll, some not and in the end after a year we were 3 players (paladin, human fighter, human mage) that made it to the final battle. All died, all henchmen and summons as well, except the Paladin.
Anonymous No.96897358 [Report] >>96897416
>>96897182
>there are errors all the place
Sadly true for too much TSR not just DL.

I hear what you're saying now that you're saying underdeveloped rather than undeveloped. I don't think we needed 100 pages of stuff about the gods, not even if that was 100 pages for them altogether. Thinking about GH and FR, I'd say we got about as much for them as for DL in the various box sets and hard cover books.

It had about two years of development, about the same as other settings. We got a level of artwork unmatched until DS, and novels and short stories galore. As bad as a lot of them are and as hard as it is to extract details from a novel compared to a source book, they did develop the world.

I don't care that the underdark was underdeveloped, even though, maybe because, shadow people are yazirians. I wasn't interested in that part of the world. I liked the knights, the hill/mountain dwarf enmity, the baked in in your face good vs evil theme. I didn't need more detail for the various dwarf clans, the evil dwarves being evil was enough. I am yet to develop the need to subvert tropes that some modern settings go in for.

I admire your passion. I was content with what we got, after I got over the change in tone from the first to second trilogy. It's cool to see someone putting so much thought into how it could have been better.

>>96897237
Having just written pantheon details seemed comparable between TSR settings in core boxes or books, I have to say "aargh, splat books" and worse "aargh, splat books from a dying TSR". Those god books came out ten years after the FR box set. The earliest book on your list is a module four years later, a generic module that can go in any setting even if FR or GH would be easiest. Guide to the Underdark was one of TSR's last publications, already owned by WOTC. If you're going to point fingers at DL being underdeveloped play fair and point those same fingers at FR for the ten or more years it took most of those books to come out.
Anonymous No.96897391 [Report] >>96897448 >>96897540
>>96897313
>no tpk until the end
>actually not a tpk, one guy survived
Sounds like things went a lot better than usual. Well done.

Except for number 2. Tricked into drinking understandable but hoping? Poor fellow.
Anonymous No.96897416 [Report]
>>96897358
>Those god books came out ten years after the FR box set.
yes, but the description of the deities in the DL books in very uninspiring and FR did get the books later. Kiri Jolith for example is some bison deity...many things do not fit and have to do with the religion (mormons i think) of the writers and most of the rest seem like a very poor almost forced addition of deities. With little actual personality.

The gods "vanished" and then "returned" and then what about the clergy organizations and the rest of the stuff. Just dust in the wind.

They need work in the setting, to harmonize and let things settle (like a cake must settle, or however that works) and then publish it.

The novels were fun at the start, and i liked the idea of the setting. We played for more than 10 years in dragonlance and it was great fun (first mystara, then ravenloft, dark sun, forgotten realms, greyhawk, planescape but not spelljammer or birthright) but more like a pizza with 40% of it done and the rest just dough or an empty pan.
Anonymous No.96897448 [Report]
>>96897391
>number 2. Tricked into drinking understandable but hoping? Poor fellow.
we were in another desperate situation where most of the party was dying at under 0, unconscious or incapacitated by various monster or villain powers and magic and had retreated (tactically after a prolonged fight that lasted hours in real life) to a large room with door we could barricade even briefly or make a thermopyles last stand. Everyone was down except for the dwarf fighter (2) paladin (rolled great dice in fights and had only str 17 while all the other warriors had 18+%) and the Human thief-ranger. Having no spellcaster standing the paladin and ranger held the entrance but the dwarf was at under 10 hp, so he went through all the backpacks and sacks with items the other members had gathered but had not identified yet and found several potions. Drank the first (dm rolled dice, or was it by color i do not recall) and it was the acid (max damage and died).

It was a slaughterhouse of gore and splatter, broken swords and axes and spear poles, shattered shields and torn flesh from monster limbs all over the place. Blood and guts everywhere and everyone screaming in pain or moaning as they lay down dying or in some dream in a delirium-drenched unconsciousness.

In the end we won, via rolling so many consecutive natural 20s it was like robbing the casino.
Anonymous No.96897540 [Report]
>>96897391
in an adventure in faerun this time, we played ToEE in oerth and did not adapt it for another setting, i was a bard (wanted to become another class later as i saw this was pretty generic, though funny to play) and all the party (dwarf fighter, human cleric of Sune [yes the love deity], elf mage, human paladin) was petrified in a room that had several medusae/gorgon bitches (someone with a good memory may remember which adventure this was) and the last man standing. I was behind a pillar with a towel over my eyes (a precaution) and the room was partially filled with some fog from some item of the mage from before he turned to stone (he did not make it in time) and another part was darkened by a spell that still lingered.

Tried to run out, planned to do something by luring some monster we spied upon in another room, but one got me with an arrow and then another and i died, that was the total party kill. It was very suspenseful from the start and ended like a movie but with loss.

https://www.completecompendium.com/appendix/medusa/

Medusae may carry a knife, dagger, or short bow.
Anonymous No.96897709 [Report]
>>96895461
>elf and a daddy halfling
elfling, or gelfling but the halflings of athas are not like the hobbits of other setttings. The only common thing they share is height.

They look like the thundercats twins without the feline traits or some feral child-like race.
Anonymous No.96897860 [Report] >>96902906
>>96895461
>mummy elf and a daddy halfling
they are the mul (dwarf-human hybrid) version of the elves, so they are half-elves in typology but shorter.

Athas;
Elf +2 Dexterity, +1 Intelligence, -1 Wisdom, -2 Constitution
Half-Elf +1 Dexterity, -1 Constitution
Halfling + 2 Dexterity, + 2 Wisdom, -1 Constitution, -1 Charisma, - 2 Strength

Elf-ling; +1 Dexterity, +1 Intelligence, + 2 Wisdom, -1 Constitution, -1 Charisma, - 2 Strength

minimum and maximum ability scores, before racial adjustments for Elf-ling
s 4/18
d 11/20
c 5/20
i 7/20
w 7/20
c 5/20

Racial Class and Level Limits; same as halfling, Height and Weight; between halfling and half-elf, Age as half-elf, Thieving skills; as halfling, multi class combos; as halfling Fertility; sterile like muls
Anonymous No.96898410 [Report] >>96898504
>>96893030 (OP)
>Since /osrg/ has collectively decided 2e doesn't belong in their thread

It's literally one guy who has this dipshit opinion and I'm betting he's you.
Anonymous No.96898504 [Report] >>96898534
>>96898410
>It's literally one guy
>meanwhile in reality: the entire thread population joined together to draft the new OP
Anonymous No.96898534 [Report] >>96898566
>>96898504
>troll tries to lie
>it fails
Why even bother trying to lie to everyone like this, no one is ever going to believe anything you say ever again.
Anonymous No.96898566 [Report] >>96898593 >>96899960
>>96898534
Please stop shitting up this 2e general with your sperging. You have your designated thread for that, go there: >>96896564
Anonymous No.96898593 [Report]
>>96898566
Didn't you just hear me? No one listens to you.
Anonymous No.96898720 [Report] >>96898791 >>96902922
>>96897104
>And more importantly, the early DL novels were competently written and are definitely worth reading
No, they are just Mormon LotR. They are only good if you haven't read anything else.

Dragonlance is a dogshit setting, those first modules are fucking awful.
Anonymous No.96898791 [Report]
>>96898720
nta, but you have to admit;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Vlr03i-18
Raistlin and the Rose is a banging track.
Anonymous No.96899960 [Report] >>96901615
>>96898566
Pretty strange to be an aficionado with not even one story told. What I don’t get is why you troll them. It’s been going on since Zak? Cavegirl? Can’t you get a girlfriend or something? My guess is that Wizards pays you trains trading cards to do it
Anonymous No.96901615 [Report]
>>96899960
I think you're badly confused about who you're talking to. Maybe not a completely incomprehensible error on an anonymous imageboard, but on balance you're still losing your shit at the wrong person in an undignified and ineffectual way.
Anonymous No.96902906 [Report] >>96903717 >>96903741 >>96903749 >>96903772 >>96904199
>>96897860
>they are half-elves in typology
Source please.

As a general rule, being half-anything is a matter of perspective. Elf + human = half-elf is the human-centric point of view that most other races copy due to human hegemony but for elves they are half-human.

Mul gets around that by using an obvious shortening of mule, which coincidentally was spelled mul in Middle English though I don't expect the TSR guys knew that, or mulatto which is of course an important word in slavery and that I do expect the TSR guys knew.

For elfling both parents are non-human and there is no general reason in D&D to prefer the elf heritage over the halfling their crossbreed. For elves they are half-halfling, and for halflings they are half-elf. As is made clear in the novels and Dark Sun material, elves and halflings despise each other and the novel's protagonist being a elfing is a unique event. From an exegetic viewpoint we know that halflings were the original inhabitants of Athas but that's a very thin reason to generally prefer the half-elf heritage here.

>Age as half-elf
You do remember that elves only live to 140 in dark sun don't you? And halflings also live to 140? And that Athasian half-elves live to about 100?

There's no universal law that says crossbreeds have to live and age as parents but D&D has the trend that hybrid lifespan is intermediate to the parent races. E.g.,Athasian and generic half-elves, muls, half-orcs. Why would your source wilfully change that pattern and have elfling live less and age worse than both parents?

>those ability score adjustments
You do realise that half-elves get
+1 dex because elves get +2 and humans get 0 and the mean is +1. There's no int adjustment for half-elf because the mean of 1 and 0 is 0.5 rounded towards 0. Elflings should not get +2 wis but rather (2 + -1) / 2 = 0.5 rounded to 0. Averaging +2 dex and +2 dex to give +1 dex is bad.

Overall they should get -1 str, +2 dex, -1 con

Like I said before, source please.
Anonymous No.96902922 [Report] >>96902926 >>96903480
>>96898720
>They are only good if you haven't read anything else.
That's just so stupid a thing to write because I have a sizeable number of other books and yet the early DL novels are good.
Anonymous No.96902926 [Report]
>>96902922
*have read a
but your comment is still more wrong than my typing.
Anonymous No.96903480 [Report] >>96903731 >>96908212
>>96902922
You're right, I'm sorry.

The Dragonlance books are only good if you haven't read anything else, OR if you have horrible fucking taste.
Anonymous No.96903717 [Report]
>>96902906
there is no official source other than combining things from the first dark sun boxed set, its a hasty suggestion of how they could be.
Anonymous No.96903731 [Report] >>96903884
>>96903480
you have no interest in fantasy games and hate dragonlance just because you think its narrative elements contributed to the "demise" of D&D. You hate fantasy and want to play a dry and flat mechanics game similar to snakes and ladders and monopoly, but with a veneer of fantastical elements. Keep your psychopathy for yourself and your therapist.
Anonymous No.96903741 [Report]
>>96902906
>-1 str, +2 dex, -1 con
you can make them however you want
Anonymous No.96903749 [Report]
>>96902906
they could also get some special ability like muls have, something clearly present in the novel or even implied.
Anonymous No.96903772 [Report]
>>96902906
>but for elves they are half-human.
Wouldn't they call them half-elves to signify that they aren't full elves, thus not a full-fledged member of elf society?
Anonymous No.96903884 [Report] >>96904076 >>96904178 >>96904201 >>96906918 >>96907301 >>96911454
>>96903731
No, I dislike Dragonlance because it is derivative and where it isn't derivative it's fucking stupid.
>All the wizards go train at hogwarts tower and then decide if they want to be good, evil, or indifferent. And then they wear team jerseys for the rest of their lives and they never take them off because those are the rules.

That's fucking retarded.

And that's just the flavor. The actual modules are dogshit railroads. It's a bad setting with a bunch of bad game books and a slew of horrible novels.
Anonymous No.96903940 [Report]
>>96896738
>(and a bad fighting game)

I remember playing that one and beating it by spamming a shove attack and exploiting that hitting the arena limit damaged the opponent.
Anonymous No.96903999 [Report] >>96906865
>>96893501
No. I once got 3 day all-boards ban for even mentioning it in osr general.
Anonymous No.96904076 [Report] >>96906918
>>96903884
It must make things really awkward when a Black robe and a White robe have to take an elevator together.
Anonymous No.96904178 [Report] >>96906545
>>96903884
Don't they also just murder anyone that learns magic outside of their little special club?
Anonymous No.96904199 [Report]
>>96902906
i am also going by the "make them sterile" path in this version and not the half-elf path where they can breed.
Anonymous No.96904201 [Report] >>96906545 >>96906845
>>96903884
go to your shrink and do not bother people further
Anonymous No.96906079 [Report] >>96906177
>>96894985
what the hell is that monster on the cover. It looks like a beholder lobster with a toothy maw claw

I love 2e for settings and art. for gameplay prefer 3e and pf1
Anonymous No.96906177 [Report]
>>96906079
It's an Eye of the Deep, I'm pretty sure, which is literally a beholder with lobster claws. They're supposed to be an aquatic monster, though, so not sure what it's doing bursting out of an extremely dry-looking rock floor like that.
Anonymous No.96906545 [Report]
>>96904178
They also murder anyone who doesn't wear their team jersey, or who wears the wrong team jersey.
>>96904201
You should really take your own advice.
Anonymous No.96906845 [Report] >>96906918
>>96904201
DL is dogshit for ESL third worlder nogames
Anonymous No.96906865 [Report]
>>96903999
To be fair, he only talked about people, not mods.
Anonymous No.96906896 [Report]
>>96893501
lying retard lmao
Anonymous No.96906918 [Report] >>96906926 >>96906941 >>96909871 >>96909921
>>96903884
>then they wear team jerseys for the rest of their lives
This is not true. They can change where they stand on the good vs evil thing, it just comes at a big cost. I think Raistlin did this at some point.
>>96904076
Fighting with your fellow wizards on the grounds of a tower of high sorcery will get you killed.
>>96906845
Then Dragonlance is the setting for you.
Anonymous No.96906926 [Report] >>96907126
>>96906918
Completely missing the point. They have to pick a team and wear that teams special shirt. That's fucking stupid.
Anonymous No.96906941 [Report] >>96906956
>>96906918
>Then Dragonlance is the setting for you.
good job finding your own posts up your ass actually
Anonymous No.96906956 [Report] >>96907205
>>96906941
I agree that your posts are ass.
Anonymous No.96907126 [Report] >>96907502
>>96906926
In Dragonlance arcane magic is tied to 3 gods so when you pick team you are siding with a god.
Anonymous No.96907205 [Report] >>96907266
>>96906956
thats yourself actually
Anonymous No.96907266 [Report] >>96907391
>>96907205
No u and your ass.
Anonymous No.96907301 [Report] >>96907422 >>96907508 >>96908042
>>96903884
>That's fucking retarded.
ah, I remember the good times when I looked at fantasy and sci-fi and thought 'that's just too stupid'
But the years rolled on, I learned more and more about the real world, the way things worked now and all the many things that went on before....
The only unbelievable thing about fantasy now for me is that even the most 'retarded' setting and book is just too sensible when compared to the real world.
Anonymous No.96907391 [Report] >>96907626
>>96907266
good job finding your own posts, dumbass
Anonymous No.96907422 [Report] >>96908042
>>96907301
nice reddit post, faggot
Anonymous No.96907502 [Report] >>96907549 >>96907639 >>96908042
>>96907126
>We got rid of clerics by making every magic user a cleric!

Yeah that's fucking lame.
Anonymous No.96907508 [Report] >>96908056
>>96907301
There is nothing sadder than a 22 year old pretending that they are world weary. I don't dislike Dragonlance because it's "unbelievable," I dislike it because it's shitty garbage.
Anonymous No.96907549 [Report]
>>96907502
wait til u see carcosa lmaooo
Anonymous No.96907626 [Report] >>96907632
>>96907391
Nope I found your posts and your face.
Anonymous No.96907632 [Report] >>96907647
>>96907626
too bad youre looking in a mirror, esl gaylord
Anonymous No.96907639 [Report]
>>96907502
No, clerics still exist and are the ones who get all the healing magic.
Anonymous No.96907647 [Report] >>96907658
>>96907632
I better get rid of that mirror then as I am only seeing you, Sir Fagalot the Retarded.
Anonymous No.96907658 [Report] >>96907682
>>96907647
too bad youre talking to yourself through your ass
Anonymous No.96907682 [Report] >>96907701
>>96907658
Nope, that just you with your head up your ass.
Anonymous No.96907701 [Report] >>96907767
>>96907682
Your ass is only big enough for yourself and you dad, homoking
Anonymous No.96907767 [Report] >>96908515
>>96907701
That sound like projection, Faglord.
Anonymous No.96908042 [Report] >>96908056 >>96908595
>>96907502
you are just jealous it got the sexiest art in all of TG gaming
Plus it gave us the amazing kender race which are way more interesting that halflings or gnomes.
Those should be mandatory DM driven NPC companions in every game
>>96907422
the text from that >>96907301
got cut off when I misclicked
it was supposed to read
>too sensible when compared to the real world... you faggot
Anonymous No.96908056 [Report]
f... >>96908042
was meant for >>96907508
Anonymous No.96908212 [Report]
>>96903480
Thank you, I still disagree but that's a much better way of putting it.
Anonymous No.96908515 [Report] >>96908598
>>96907767
only you would know what that looks like, assblaster
Anonymous No.96908595 [Report]
>>96908042
Oh, is this a "I'm just pretending to be retarded," kind of thing?
Anonymous No.96908598 [Report] >>96908611
>>96908515
Everyone knows what it looks like because they can see you and your post. ass bandit
Anonymous No.96908611 [Report] >>96908636
>>96908598
too bad thats just you looking in your dads mirror
Anonymous No.96908636 [Report] >>96908640
>>96908611
No one can use that mirror as you stole it and shoved it up your faggot ass.
Anonymous No.96908640 [Report] >>96908670
>>96908636
thats your own ass, did you forget youre looking in a mirror?
Anonymous No.96908670 [Report] >>96908709
>>96908640
Nope, it's your ass seeing how you are the one with things in the ass.
Anonymous No.96908709 [Report] >>96908863
>>96908670
too bad being gay took away your ability to read
Anonymous No.96908863 [Report] >>96908882
>>96908709
Enough about you and your posts, Gaylord.
Anonymous No.96908882 [Report] >>96908981
>>96908863
good job finding your own replies, unclefucker
Anonymous No.96908981 [Report] >>96909705
>>96908882
Yes, everyone found your posts of you giving yourself surprise buttsex
Anonymous No.96909698 [Report]
I̵̧̧̨͇͎̦̟̦͎̼͍̠͌ͅ ̶͓̞͂̒͆w̷̛͇͛̃̾̔̈́̿̑̂͝͝ͅõ̴̢͓̗̪̿̄̽̄̓͐̀̆͒̾̏̚͘͝͠n̴̛͎̋͂̀͛̓͛̎͐̐͛̑̈́͆̏̎͝ḑ̴̨̫̹̇̂̐̎͛͑͂͒͑̐̒͘ẻ̵̗̦͔̮̦̞͒̆́͂̽̎͜ͅr̸͔̳̗̰̭̊̆̐̉͂̏͋̊̃̈͑͜ ̵͓̫̮̥̫̈́̒͒̋͆̓͊̽̿́̾͊̏͛̉͝i̷̤͓̝͍͔̮̤̤̼̮̍̈́́̈́͒͌̆̈̂̀̔͜f̶̡̨̛͉̩̻̼͉̻̭̠͙̣͗̏͂̌̍͘ ̵͇͑̓̉̈́͗̈́̓t̵̢̡̬̯̝̹̗̯͉̤̱́́͌̑̈́͐̿̍̉͛͑̑͜͝͠͝ḩ̸̗̯̫̥̮̜̜͊͒̓̾̔̆͒͛̌̎̕̕ͅe̶̡̧̧̼̼͇͓̜͕̻̩̓̏͜ ̵̯̙͉͔͓̭̟͓̙̘͎͈͉̤͕̀̔̓͌̓̾̀͊̈́͂͝͝ͅͅȇ̷̡̗̥̝̼̦͕̘̦͚̼̯̺̬͇̤̓̂̒̄̎͊̆̐̓̓̉͗̚͝s̵͚̩̳͉̮͖̓͐̋l̷̢̧̛̞̮̹̱̣͖̣̃̾͗̌̽̀͛̐̄̈̊̿͛ͅ ̴̣͉̭̣͖̥̻̬̋͊̊͑̊̉̆̋́̋̉̕͜͝͠͝p̶͉̫̾͑̑̇̈́̓͒̈́̀̃͗ơ̴͚̞͚̖̓͛̒̓̃̇ͅͅs̶̬̩̿̂̇̒̕t̷̼̻̩̭̼̭̄̽̓̕e̵̡̼̤̳͕͇̤̙͖̖͕̭̦͒͆̊̎͗̓͆͗̋͠r̵̥̼̱͚̮͉̰̼̞̈́̈́̓̓͜͝ ̴̗̜̓̐͒̊c̸̢̡̹͇̬͇̭͈͖͉̯̖̹̖͉̬̏͗́́́͗̔̍͠a̵̠̜͓̮̹͐̏̃̉͒͋̉̂̈́̾̈́̕ṅ̵̨̨̝̖̞̼̺̜̪͎̘̝͒͆́͑̊̋̓̒̏́͌̚͝͝͝ ̷̛̤́̋̐̌͒̈́̊̒̍̎̈́́͒̈́̚͠ŗ̵̱̼̭͋̑́̄̊̽̒̐̂̂̇͌ȇ̷̡̬̝̤̩͓̗̠͔̪̪͓̙̰͗̏̓̑̆͘ḁ̸̧̛̠͉̗̱͚͐͌̽͆̓̋̀̀̑̓̍̑͊͂̐͜d̷̨̞̤̞̞͇̺̳̀̌͒͜͠ ̸̨̢̺͕̙̗̖͈̼̖̮͔̠̣̗̀̓͂͆̒̏̾͆̽̓͗̍̃͑̌͠ṱ̵̨̧͖̘̙̳͈̰͍̼͔̹́́͝ͅh̷͓͖̟̙͎̬̋̕͝͠ͅi̷̡̫͖̼̫̪̖͉̙͉̘̻̓͜s̷͈͊̿̃́̋͊̑̄̓͊͛̈̉̈́̊̈͘?̷̛̙̼́͌͗ͅ
Anonymous No.96909705 [Report] >>96909767
>>96908981
its not a surprise when your dad does it to you every night in the village square bozosupreme
Anonymous No.96909767 [Report] >>96909781
>>96909705
No one needed to hear about you and your family.
Anonymous No.96909781 [Report] >>96909838
>>96909767
then you should stop telling us about what your dad does to you at night
Anonymous No.96909838 [Report] >>96909843
>>96909781
But you are the only one talking about your dad, Faggotry pants
Anonymous No.96909843 [Report] >>96909945
>>96909838
thats me, im your daddy. if you reply to me again youre admitting you love when I fuck you
Anonymous No.96909865 [Report] >>96909949 >>96910123
Why exactly did Fishfag move to this thread to spam his repetitive, contentless insults? Isn't the thread completely inoffensive? And isn't he supposed to favor 2e?
Anonymous No.96909871 [Report] >>96909961 >>96920274
>>96906918
>I think Raistlin did this at some point.
He does, yeah. He starts out red (neutral) and switches to black (evil), but I don't remember why anymore.
Anonymous No.96909921 [Report] >>96909956
>>96906918
>Fighting with your fellow wizards on the grounds of a tower of high sorcery will get you killed.
That is what makes it awkward. They have to hang around people who are openly advertising the fact that they are evil.
Anonymous No.96909945 [Report] >>96910220
>>96909843
Nope. My dad is not a huge faggot who has gay sex with his own butt.
Anonymous No.96909949 [Report] >>96909966 >>96910123
>>96909865
I'm beginning to suspect he was a false flag operation all along.
Anonymous No.96909956 [Report] >>96910085
>>96909921
I am pretty sure two (or more) wizards can find something to talk about outside of good vs evil stuff.
Anonymous No.96909961 [Report] >>96909981 >>96910205
>>96909871
Because he's intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.

Raistilin is such a garbage character. Far worse than Drizzt
Anonymous No.96909966 [Report]
>>96909949
I think the real fishfag was the friends we made along the way.
Anonymous No.96909981 [Report]
>>96909961
Why do you say that?
Anonymous No.96910085 [Report] >>96910205
>>96909956
>"Y'know outside of dedicating yourself to all things evil, you Blackrobes are actually pretty nice guys. By the way, thanks for the cornbread recipe you gave me last week, it turned out great!"
Anonymous No.96910123 [Report] >>96910205
>>96909865
>>96909949
ACKShill, your efforts to try and gaslight everyone are pretty amazing in how shameless they are.
There's no one left to believe anything you say, and all the lies you spam are doing nothing but showing everyone just how obsessed you are.
Anonymous No.96910205 [Report] >>96910271
>>96909961
>Because he's intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.
kek

>>96910085
>No problem, it's evil cornbread, the best. We blackrobes also have great recipes for okra, collard greens and fried chicken

>>96910123
>Fishfag attempts to claim he doesn't exist (again)
>accidentally uses three Fishfag buzzwords while doing so
pic related
Anonymous No.96910220 [Report] >>96910311
>>96909945
yes he is, because he trained you. I should know, im your daddy. come kiss your daddys fish stick
Anonymous No.96910271 [Report] >>96910326
>>96910205
You understand no one's scared of calling you out or being called fishfag, right? You've basically killed any chance of people taking anything you say seriously ever again.
Anonymous No.96910311 [Report] >>96910374
>>96910220
Yeah, we know your dad trained you in being a huge faggot
Anonymous No.96910326 [Report] >>96910365 >>96910402
>>96910271
Can you please go back to the thread (You) created >>96907893 and leave us alone, please? We want nothing to do with your jihad against /osrg/, we only want to be left in peace to talk about 2e.
Anonymous No.96910365 [Report] >>96910449
>>96910326
You mean the thread that is just retards jerking each other off talking about the fishfag boogeyman?
Anonymous No.96910374 [Report] >>96910426
>>96910311
and youre my greatest student, mijo
*blasts a massive pepperoni diarrhea down your throat*
Anonymous No.96910402 [Report] >>96910449
>>96910326
I'm just letting you know that there's no board on Earth dumb enough to not see through all your shit. It's just pounds of evidence at this point, and you can't help yourself.
Anonymous No.96910426 [Report] >>96910435
>>96910374
No, your only student is your ass. You miss and blast yourself in the nuts.
Anonymous No.96910435 [Report] >>96910452
>>96910426
good luck finding your own posts, dumbass
Anonymous No.96910449 [Report]
>>96910365
>>96910402
Nobody cares what happens on your thread. Not our problem.
Anonymous No.96910452 [Report] >>96910462
>>96910435
I don't need to find my posts, fagtard
Anonymous No.96910462 [Report] >>96910478
>>96910452
and yet you still cant eat without a brain
Anonymous No.96910478 [Report] >>96910589
>>96910462
>yet you still cant eat without a brain
You disprove that claim.
Anonymous No.96910505 [Report] >>96910578
>wonder what's going on in this thread
>enter
>no u for 30+ posts
truly we were an ay dee and dee tooie thread
Anonymous No.96910578 [Report]
>>96910505
Sorry, buddy. The board's biggest resident sperglord has chosen this thread to have a melty in for some reason.
Anonymous No.96910589 [Report]
>>96910478
call me daddy.
Anonymous No.96911454 [Report] >>96912974 >>96913802
>>96903884
Exactly no evil person is gonna wear a robe that tells everyone that they are evil. Fucking retarded.
Anonymous No.96911660 [Report]
Learn your fucking lesson.

WE control this board. You're not allowed to do threads without our permission. Next time remember your place, scum.
Anonymous No.96912974 [Report]
>>96911454
Yes you are correct, dragonlance is fucking retarded
Anonymous No.96913802 [Report]
>>96911454
>Exactly no evil person is gonna wear a robe that tells everyone that they are evil.
Aren't they?
Anonymous No.96918146 [Report]
Bumping in the hopes of restarting conversation here not that the baleful eye of the fishsexual has apparently turned away
Anonymous No.96918196 [Report] >>96918215 >>96920174
trolls in /osrg/ threw a fit and made this thread because they want /osrg/ to be /bxlbb1eg/
ignore and move on!
Anonymous No.96918215 [Report] >>96918250 >>96918384 >>96928798
>>96918196
>trolls in /osrg/ threw a fit and made this thread
It should be obvious just from the OP that this thread was not made in any kind of fit or for trolling purposes, unlike the bogus /osrg/s that try to cram this edition into /osrg/ for no reason. Please stop spamming this thread with your nonsense.
Anonymous No.96918250 [Report] >>96918351 >>96918384
>>96918215
/osrg/ bro here. That's fishfag false flagging, we're happy this thread exists, support it, have zero problems with it, and wish you success. You guys have fun. Peace out.
Anonymous No.96918351 [Report] >>96918384
>>96918250
Thanks anon, you're a bro! Peace!
Anonymous No.96918384 [Report] >>96919718
>>96918215
>>96918250
>>96918351
You do realize no one's actually dumb enough to fall for this, right?
Anonymous No.96919718 [Report]
>>96918384
>nobody could be dumb enough to fall for the idea that someone might sincerely like 2e
Not sure this is the angle you want to take here, Fishfag.
Anonymous No.96920174 [Report]
>>96918196
You're losing your mind at this point. Gonna cry?
Anonymous No.96920274 [Report] >>96920774
>>96909871
He wanted power, black robes level up faster, he didn't share typical human morals, and he was predisposed towards the black robes.

He made a deal with a mysterious voice only he can hear in Lorac's nightmare and in that nightmare his red robes turned to black when he accepted but when the nightmare ends he's wearing red.

The voice is revealed to one he heard during his Test. When he gets to Palanthas dying he talks again to the voice and in his next appearance he's in black. I think it's explained elsewhere but I don't recall more in the main novels.
Anonymous No.96920774 [Report] >>96925202
>>96920274
Oh yeah, I remember now! He gets possessed or something by that archmage from the past who was a black mage, and in order to gain his power he has to go over to the dark side! Something like that anyway.
Anonymous No.96921351 [Report]
FWIW I'd rather have 2E as a separate thread. I'm 42 so I have a lot of nostalgia 90's era TSR stuff. I'm not super interested in 500 different 1E clones with "I know a guy who can draw" art.

Anyways, my parents asked me asked to get my stuff out of their basement last time I visited them and there were some real treasures down there like Birthright and Ravenloft/Red Death books. I wonder if anyone would play them with me.

Looking at PDFs on archive.org and pirate sites, I really wish I'd bought Al-Qadim stuff back in the day. Planescape has cool vibes but I don't -quite- get it. It seems like what you'd play if you were a cool college student in the 90's. Forgotten Realms seems kinda corny and Magical Realm-y to me as an adult but I'm sure it's playable if you focused on a specific region and didn't incorporate any of the metaplot or self-insert NPCs.
Anonymous No.96925202 [Report] >>96925864
>>96920774
Yeah, you got it.

Spoilers here for anyone who hasn't read both trilogies.

Before the novels start Raistlin made a bargain with dead wizard Fistandantilus when he thought he needed more power to pass his test for wizardry in which failure invariably meant death. Because Raistlin is so potentially powerful as a wizard Fistandantilus plans to take over his body.

Even though that sets up the second trilogy it's only a handful of pages out of 1000 so don't think it's what the first trilogy is about. The authors drop a few other small hints setting up the second trilogy, like the immortal historian Astinus calling Raistlin old friend and Astinus saying Rasitlin gave him a gift hundreds of years ago.

In the second trilogy Raistlin travels back in time to before the Cataclysm to kill Fistandantilus and then open a portal to the Abyss so he can defeat Takhisis and become a god.

For anyone who read all that and hasn't read the books, research says that even knowing the killer in a whodunnit doesn't spoil people's enjoyment of books. They're good stories and well written. Worth reading.
Anonymous No.96925420 [Report] >>96925836 >>96925934
Anyone have any recommendations for megadungeons? I've got a handful of the classics plus a few OSR ones that wouldn't be too much trouble to convert over, but if there's any hidden gems out there I'd like to know.
Anonymous No.96925836 [Report] >>96928531
>>96925420
Stonehell
Anonymous No.96925864 [Report] >>96925897
>>96925202
>They're good stories and well written.

This man is lying to you, they are fucking terrible, and absolutely not worth the time it takes to read them, unless you are an eleven year old.
Anonymous No.96925897 [Report] >>96927376
>>96925864
I first read them when I was 12, and I've read them since, and they've been worth it every time.
Anonymous No.96925934 [Report] >>96926846 >>96928531 >>96929832
>>96925420
Not sure if its a hidden gem but Dragon Mountain is the best example of a megadungeon from 2e.

https://archive.org/details/tsr01089dragonmountainboxedset
Anonymous No.96926846 [Report] >>96927631
>>96925934
>best example
Because...

>of a megadungeon
What's your definition of a megadungeon?

I had a look at the maps and the 10 smaller maps and 3 big maps combined are about 10 times as large as the map of G2, about 4.5 times as large as the maps of G1 to G3 combined. So it's large, but I personally wouldn't be calling it a mega dungeon.
Anonymous No.96927376 [Report]
>>96925897
>I am completely blinded by nostalgia, how dare you!
Anonymous No.96927631 [Report] >>96932878
>>96926846
>What's your definition of a megadungeon?
Why? What's your definition?

>it's large, but I personally wouldn't be calling it a mega dungeon.
So how large does it have to be to be considered a megadungeon? Please be specific.
Anonymous No.96928531 [Report]
>>96925836
I've seen it around but never sat down with it. I'll check it out, thanks!

>>96925934
God I love the archive. Thanks to you too, anon!
Anonymous No.96928798 [Report] >>96928809 >>96928824 >>96928999 >>96929043
>>96918215
This is incorrect. 2e is part of /osrg. The osrg with hatertext is just made by a troll (you). This thread might actually get some legit posts, but it's also just a troll thread.
Anonymous No.96928809 [Report] >>96928824 >>96930273 >>96954398
>>96928798
Stop taking your /osrg/ drama here, we want nothing to do with it.
Anonymous No.96928824 [Report] >>96928846
>>96928798
This post is correct.
>>96928809
This post is the most psychotic troll on this website.
Anonymous No.96928846 [Report] >>96928883
>>96928824
I don't care if 2e is on topic in /osrg/, that's none of my concern.

/osrg/ is certainly off topic on /2eg/, though. No meta discussion here.
Anonymous No.96928883 [Report] >>96928924 >>96928939 >>96929006
>>96928846
It is when we've got some troll posting in the /osrg/ to post in here instead.
God, you're a slimy shit.
Anonymous No.96928924 [Report] >>96928979
>>96928883
So because you have a troll on /osrg/ you decide to troll us instead of dealing with him there?

That's fucked up.
Anonymous No.96928939 [Report] >>96928979
>>96928883
What??

Imagine if everybody on /tg/ did what you are doing now and started taking it out on other threads because of issues in their own generals.

Use your head, be better than that. And stop bringing up ANY /osrg/ here. Neither your own, nor the other one.
Anonymous No.96928979 [Report] >>96929012
>>96928924
>>96928939
No one is stupid enough to believe a word you're saying.
Anonymous No.96928999 [Report] >>96930273
>>96928798
>hatertext
lmao you've lost it completely
Anonymous No.96929006 [Report]
>>96928883
How is that trollposting? Is it trolling if someone in /3eg/ tells a 2e poster to post here instead?
Anonymous No.96929012 [Report]
>>96928979
Believe what? You're the one who said that he's posting here in revenge for something that happened on another general. I'm only telling you that your behavior is fucked up.
Anonymous No.96929043 [Report] >>96929156 >>96929457 >>96930273
>>96928798
You really don't fit in here, you have a significant amount of very glaring idiosyncrasies that display you as being new to this culture, probably this website, and almost certainly this language
Anonymous No.96929084 [Report]
These samefagging puppet shows are so bad.
Anonymous No.96929156 [Report] >>96929457
>>96929043
My theory is that someone's paying a pajeet on fiverr to spam the board when certain topics are mentioned.
Anonymous No.96929457 [Report] >>96929473 >>96929479 >>96930273
>>96929043
>>96929156
You know you could be doing anything else with your life instead or replying to yourself to gaslight people away from posting in your old school d&d threads about 2nd edition. You really got nothing to do?
Anonymous No.96929473 [Report]
>>96929457
>be in the 2e general
>try to convince people not to post in it
>accuse others of trying to gaslight people away from posting about 2e
Anonymous No.96929479 [Report]
>>96929457
We've seen him spend literally hours putting on these sort of puppet shows.
No, he really has nothing better to do.
Anonymous No.96929504 [Report]
All the time except I use an optional rule from players option skills and power which makes that every NWP starts off at 9, modified by the difficulty and then the player adds their ability score modifier.

I personally love the system. New players to the system enjoy it a lot and it helps them get more involved with their character because your character having pottery as a skill adds depth.
Anonymous No.96929832 [Report]
>>96925934

So much delicious Tony DiTerlizzi art.
Anonymous No.96930273 [Report] >>96931803 >>96954333
>>96928809
Who "we", you and your socks?
>>96928999
Again, that would be you.
>>96929043
Again, pretending to be multiple people doesn't give you social standing.

AD&D 2e is well served by the OSRG thread. Trying to separate the two is a fool's errand and no matter how many posts you make, you'll never change that.

>>96929457
It's actually amazing to watch him go.
Anonymous No.96931388 [Report]
cranium wererats
Anonymous No.96931569 [Report]
Anonymous No.96931803 [Report] >>96937005 >>96954506
>>96930273
>AD&D 2e is well served by the OSRG thread. Trying to separate the two is a fool's errand and no matter how many posts you make, you'll never change that.
No, AD&D 2e is served by *this* thread. Are you stupid? You're in the 2e general right now.
Anonymous No.96932878 [Report] >>96937562 >>96954480
>>96927631
>Why? What's your definition?
I asked a genuine question, you're just being a dick.
Anonymous No.96937005 [Report] >>96937374
>>96931803
No, that's incorrect. You're the weirdo spamming nonsense and creating garbage threads.
Anonymous No.96937374 [Report]
>>96937005
>everything is a conspiracy! A conspiracy against me!!!
Okay, and how long have you been getting gangstalked by the air loom gang online?
Anonymous No.96937562 [Report] >>96960508 >>96967389
>>96932878
Asking people for their definition of a pretty common term is being a sealong, kiddo.
Anonymous No.96938285 [Report] >>96952316 >>96960508
To the Anon who was asking what a megadungeon is: I think the guy throwing a sperg rant against you is being unfair and unpleasant.

Personally, I think a dungeon is "mega" when it's never meant to be completed, usually because it's either so big that it would take years, or because the DM plans to expand it as the players explore it.

Anything else, even if big, is just a dungeon. Or, if smaller and monothematic, a lair.

Does this help?
Anonymous No.96938310 [Report] >>96943889
>>96894564
The first Gold Box game, Pool of Radiance, was 1988 but most of the games after were technically post-2e.
Anonymous No.96943889 [Report]
>>96938310
Azure Bonds can't possibly have been influenced by 2e in practice, though. I don't think even Eye of the Beholder would have been.
Anonymous No.96949102 [Report]
>>96894564
I remembered another game. That online only Neverwinter Nights game.
Anonymous No.96952316 [Report]
>>96938285
There probably aren't many dungeons that fit that definition other than Undermountain.
Anonymous No.96954333 [Report]
>>96930273
Kill yourself, lying spamming troll
Anonymous No.96954349 [Report] >>96954452 >>96958506
Played only 5e for the last 10 years, swapped to 2e and wow, what the fuck happened. 5e is so boring and so easy to play and gets boring around level 5 because every encounter is a grind and it feels more like some shitty miniature table top warfare game than a rpg.
Anonymous No.96954381 [Report]
>>96893940
ESL retard lmao
Anonymous No.96954390 [Report] >>96960515 >>96962826
>>96894565
>If they want a 1974 - 1983 only thread, which means excluding
>>Unearthed Arcana
>>Dragonlance
>>most material for what came to be called Mystara
>>Oriental Adventures
>>Lankhmar
>>Forgotten Realms
Based, yes, that's exactly what we want
Anonymous No.96954398 [Report] >>96954922
>>96928809
>Stop taking your /osrg/ drama here, we want nothing to do with it.
the problem is /osrg/ discord started to organise raids on a lot of threads right now, even trying to shut down the pathfinder thread and the 40k thread. /osrg/ guys said they want to try and close up /tg/ by locking out threads of content, plus they started rebooting long dead threads just to bloat the catalogue. all organised on their private channels.
Anonymous No.96954415 [Report] >>96955198
>>96893501
Lmao wrong, kill yourself off topic troll
Anonymous No.96954434 [Report]
>>96893501
They managed to get one of their group as a moderator and he's been banning people for posting about it
Anonymous No.96954451 [Report]
>>96893586
Post your current character sheet then, I'll wait
Anonymous No.96954452 [Report]
>>96954349
In addition to them trying to round off any edges in the system, 5e was made to be standardized for the sake of organized play. They can't risk someone rolling up to an Adventurers League table with a character that's incompatible with what's being run, so they basically made the edition into a board game.
Anonymous No.96954480 [Report] >>96954552 >>96960546
>>96932878
It's certainly a lot more than six fucking rooms you absolute shit pants retard
Anonymous No.96954506 [Report]
>>96931803
osrg already took over the 3.5 thread, guys are posting about making the switch there.
Anonymous No.96954519 [Report]
>>96893501
This is just reaction because of the massive popularity that /osrg/ has had. People are posting in all the TTRPG threads about how they're quitting and joining osrg in general. I just saw a post go up in the pf1eg thread about it. Lots of that happening.
Anonymous No.96954552 [Report]
>>96954480
NTA, but what the fuck are you on about? Dragon Mountain has well over a hundred areas in it spread across three fairly large maps, most of which have smaller rooms within them.
Anonymous No.96954577 [Report] >>96954610
>>96893559
knock it off, The OSR movement is, effectively, crashing out all of our boards. every thread has been organized by the osr movement and the 5e thread is run by a satanist who has posted pictures of him sacrificing children for which he received 1 month ban and then returned and toko back the threads. they are organised in a private discord channel and have been hammering every single ttrpg thread left right and center. look at what tey did to the 3.5 thread and paizo genberal? osr brigaded to shut them down then combined them all into 1 single thread. these people have made it clear their goal is to knock out /tg/
Anonymous No.96954610 [Report] >>96954636 >>96954692
>>96954577
Anonymous No.96954636 [Report] >>96954692
>>96954610
osr thread is currently even organising massive hit and run on the 3.5 now already 5 posts gone up while the osrg is devolving into conflict because they are debating the future including threatenign to murder each other .these people are insane and destroying /tg/ also note why? because of money interests sponsored by a lot of strange guys like dungeon professor who has personally funded some osrgists to brigade threads, and has funded to get mods into places of power which is why osrg can threaten to murder people posting their personal dox on 4chan and getting 0 ban from janitors, while other threads like paizo was shut down by janitors who were paid by professor as well. big money intertests, look at how much money content is being produced by osrg ? they're trying to turn it into a cartel and have killed people look at 5eg tyhread hoster who is a satanist look at the trend all tarot cards and he has bragged he uses it for personal rituals involving abusing kids he even had a photo of him stabbing a young child 1 month ban and hes back
Anonymous No.96954692 [Report] >>96954722
>>96954610
>>96954636
this movement was started by professor dungeon craft who is the son of turner classic movies host robert osborne they are jewish and have decided to try and co opt the fans anger against the 5eg dilemma which you can seeh as made ttrpgs into transgender sex propaganda and other bizarre shit such as their recent photo op they produced showing a beholder mind controlling everyone int ogay transgender sex with different rances. while the jew bought out the company and robert osbornes son profgessor dungeon craft lobbied interests to start funding an "old school movement" where they started mass marketing products to make more money well people started to complain in the old pathfinder communities and got wiped out as osrg is funded and organised off board and guyts like dungeon craft osborne who gets funded from turner classic movies among other sources keep trying to pawn off their shops to make you buy their product while totally controlling the hobby and as you can see now brigading threads to shut down, even threatening to murder users (and likely have included os-sama who went missing 3 months ago after exposing professor dugngeon craft at a con)
Anonymous No.96954701 [Report] >>96954935
>>96893501
You cannot even name it as something you can import a monster or an equipment rule from.
Anonymous No.96954722 [Report]
>>96954692
holy fuck mate, that sounds like a conspiracy theory and half, keep us updated, hell, upload a video of evidence on Odysee! I'm down with OSR crowd having their own thread since they think its "Respect to Gary & Co's Way Of Play" (rather than what came after Gary being kicked out and wizards of the coast shenanigans, 3.0 etc does not make the cut, however games developed for OSR using OGL do make the cut if they are made in the spirit of the classic games prior AD&D2e, sometimes its erring on the caution regarding Rules Encyclopedia but generally accepted by most as a definitive retro game rules in that style.) Hope that ramble helped understand more of the situation/beef that might be in OSR to other, later editions.
Anonymous No.96954922 [Report]
>>96954398
Where do you come up with these crazy delusions?
Anonymous No.96954935 [Report] >>96955586
>>96954701
Monsters was one of the few things it did right tho. Otherwise I agree.
Anonymous No.96955198 [Report] >>96955899
>>96954415
No u.
Anonymous No.96955586 [Report] >>96955899 >>96955906
>>96954935
You mean like revamping Dragons and Fiend HDs, shitty naming aside?
I think the pimped giants too much BTW
Anonymous No.96955899 [Report] >>96956950 >>96956974
>>96955586
No I just mean in general that it had a lot of monster entries especially across the various compendiums. Specifically though I liked the monster art and every monster having an ecology section is actually very good for helping me come up with ideas.
>>96955198
You literally don't even play games you worthless fucking faggot
Anonymous No.96955906 [Report] >>96956961 >>96956974
>>96955586
>Renames demons and devils to OC donut steels
Truly the brain dead dog shit satanic panic edition
Anonymous No.96956950 [Report] >>96957196
>>96955899
>Specifically though I liked the monster art and every monster having an ecology section is actually very good for helping me come up with ideas.
I agree with that, I am importing a lot for my OSR stuff (especially because OSRgeneral is now basically zealots).
Anonymous No.96956961 [Report]
>>96955906
Funniest thing - they kept it for later editions and my early 3.0 player initially appreciate them because le demon and le devil felt cringy to them.
It changed later tho, they switched to proper naming.
Anonymous No.96956974 [Report] >>96957083 >>96957092 >>96957211 >>96957289
>>96955899
Yeah, everyone can tell you are literally retarded. 2e is on topic. deal with it.
>>96955906
Yes, you are brain dead. While I disagree with why they were renamed Tanar'ri and Baatezu I think makes sense they would have names for themselves and not just call themselves demons and devils.
Anonymous No.96957083 [Report] >>96957130
>>96956974
Of course it's "on topic", this is the 2e general. Are you fucking retarded or something? Or did you just forget that you aren't trolling a different thread?
Anonymous No.96957092 [Report] >>96957130
>>96956974
>I disagree why they were named and I'm going to take it personally! They were renamed because of faggots who believed in the satanic panic stuff. I'm sorry that this historical fact offends your delicate nogames sensibilities
Anonymous No.96957130 [Report] >>96957178 >>96957185
>>96957083
>Are you fucking retarded or something?
Nope as I am not the faggot crying about a boogeyman
>>96957092
>reading and thinking is too hard for me
Anonymous No.96957178 [Report] >>96957313 >>96957313
>>96957130
Lmao you're the same retard who uses the only handful of ESL insults that he can come up with!
>2e isn't off topic!!!
THIS IS LITERALLY THE 2E THREAD YOU STUPID FUCKING MORON
Anonymous No.96957185 [Report]
>>96957130
Sorry to say it but you are a nogames ESL pedophile troll who is literally too stupid to even see what thread he is in.
Anonymous No.96957196 [Report] >>96958156
>>96956950
>OSRgeneral is now basically zealots).
Okay well you're obviously not welcome there so you shouldn't spend so much time worrying about it
Anonymous No.96957211 [Report] >>96957313 >>96957313
>>96956974
>2e is on topic
Well yeah this is the thread dedicated for that, are you too fucking stupid to realize what thread you're posting in?

Either way, on topic or not, it's still a dog shit game just like this dog shit thread and the dog shit person who made it
Anonymous No.96957289 [Report] >>96957313
>>96956974
Hey I recognize you, aren't you the same poster from a different thread who was telling us about his dad molesting him?
Anonymous No.96957313 [Report] >>96957643 >>96959040
>>96957178
>>96957178
>>96957211
>durr durr butthurt about 2e being OSR durr crying about boogeyman derp derp.
It's very clear you are so assblasted that 2e is OSR that you are trying to stop anyone from talking about 2e.
>>96957211
Sorry that you are too retarded to understand my point about Tanar'ri and Baatezu
>>96957289
Get help. Hearing voices in your head is not normal
Anonymous No.96957643 [Report] >>96957778 >>96959045
>>96957313
The Mongrel Banquet Club is brigading again.
Anonymous No.96957778 [Report] >>96957918
>>96957643
>The Mongrel Banquet Club
What is that?
Anonymous No.96957918 [Report] >>96958145
>>96957778
These trolls:
https://gwern.net/doc/psychiatry/2014-01-25-cliobelleweisman-theworstpeopleyouhavenevermetdanddonlineharassment.html
They periodically pick a target and gang up against it. They've been targeting /tg/ lately.
Anonymous No.96958145 [Report]
>>96957918
So it's another boogeyman.
Anonymous No.96958156 [Report]
>>96957196
Nobody is worried, anon. It was a simple observation.
Anonymous No.96958506 [Report] >>96960322
>>96954349
The simple answer is that there is less challenge in 5e. Things are kind of stacked against the PC in ad&d and it's up to the player to use their own ingenuity in order to survive.

Also the overubundance of options for each class in 5e ironically makes the game less free. All the classes begin to feel too similar to one another and there are less distinct strengths and weaknesses of each of them.
Anonymous No.96959040 [Report] >>96959147
>>96957313
It's incredible how your ESL tendencies are so noticeable.
Why would you complain about a game being on topic in a thread dedicated to the game? You're not very smart, but then again I wouldn't expect that from a sub human ESL Brown like you
Anonymous No.96959045 [Report] >>96959159
>>96957643
You are literally replying to fishfag/2etard, our long time nogames ESL troll
Anonymous No.96959147 [Report]
>>96959040
Ask yourself that retard as you are in this thread shitting it up with retardation
Anonymous No.96959159 [Report] >>96959955 >>96961080
>>96959045
Found you!
Anonymous No.96959955 [Report]
>>96959159
Yeah that's me, what the fuck are you going to do about it, bitch nigga?
Anonymous No.96960322 [Report] >>96960412
>>96958506
I briefly tried to run a 5e game and even with the way things are so skewed in favour of the PCs they refused to engaged in combat where they outnumbered a group of hobgoblins almost 2 to 1.

One player was a faggot who insisted they slept in their armour, too.
Anonymous No.96960355 [Report]
ARGENT GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD REEEEEEEEEE

ARGENT YOU SON OF A BASTERD BITCH BLOODY FUCK YOU

AAAAAAARGENT
Anonymous No.96960412 [Report]
>>96960322
Xanathar's Guide has rules for penalizing sleeping in anything heavier than light armor. Basically, you only regain 1/4th HD and don't remove any exhaustion you may have.
Anonymous No.96960508 [Report] >>96965586
>>96938285
>I think the guy throwing a sperg rant against you is being unfair and unpleasant.
I agree. Thank you for your sensible answer.


>>96937562
You're right about that--when you asked. The difference being I asked sincerely and you were just going out of your way to be a dick. You calling it a common term doesn't mean it's well defined or universally accepted.
Anonymous No.96960515 [Report] >>96962799
>>96954390
Then don't call it osrg.
Anonymous No.96960546 [Report] >>96962784
>>96954480
Who said anything about six rooms being a mega dungeon? Try to make some sense and reply to the right person.
Anonymous No.96961080 [Report] >>96962799
>>96959159
>meant to be denigrating
>just states a series of accurate facts
the retarded can't meme
Anonymous No.96962784 [Report] >>96967369
>>96960546
Because in the last thread we had a newfag talking about his big dungeon that his players didn't have time to finish, and it was literally just six rooms.
Anonymous No.96962799 [Report]
>>96960515
Well I'm not the one who made the thread, so your options are to either make a thread of your own, or to keep crying like a retard.

By the way, the shadowdark on topic?
Is knave?
Please answer these important questions

>>96961080
It's just like how he tried to reverse being called fishfag, and now he is desperately trying to get people use 'trollcow' after being called out over and over.
And yeah the funniest part of his image, is it all he is doing is reposting actual factual statements as though they are somehow poorly reflective?
Anonymous No.96962826 [Report] >>96962926
>>96954390
NTA, you really need to say "I" instead of "we". You can only speak for yourself here.
Anonymous No.96962926 [Report]
>>96962826
You should really go fuck yourself and make a new thread if you don't like it, bitch
Anonymous No.96965586 [Report] >>96967389
>>96960508
>calling it a common term doesn't mean it's well defined or universally accepted
Maybe that's why I asked what your definition was. If you're gonna complain that a dungeon doesn't qualify then you should provide the definition that you are using dickhead.

*asking sincerely btw
Anonymous No.96967369 [Report]
>>96962784
Maybe to you that makes sense but it doesn't explain to normal people why you had a tanty in my direction.
Anonymous No.96967389 [Report]
>>96965586
>Maybe that's why I asked what your definition was.
Nah, when you say that after >>96937562 you keep on making it obvious that you're just being a dick.
Anonymous No.96970057 [Report] >>96970535 >>96975424
Which Al-Qadim box set is the one you're meant to start with? There are two of them that look like they might be the base setting box.
Anonymous No.96970535 [Report] >>96970608
>>96970057
Maybe you should do some fucking research and try to figure it out for yourself instead of asking such a banal worthless question
Anonymous No.96970608 [Report] >>96971668
>>96970535
Maybe you should stop mixing caffeine with cocaine instead of ragebreaking at an innocent question
Anonymous No.96971668 [Report]
>>96970608
>i cant read, spoonfeed me!
nah
Anonymous No.96975424 [Report] >>96980908
>>96970057
>There are two of them that look like they might be the base setting box.
I think there could be up to 4 based on the less specific names on the front covers. But it's the very generic Arabian Adventures. I liked it back in the day when they gave things nice simple names like and didn't try to hide sources. Al Qadim Arabian Adventures isn't quite as simple as Oriental Adventure but you're told from the get go what it's about.

Dragonlance was a little more subtle. Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, and, excuse me for mentioning 3e, Eberron don't tell you much at all. It's not as if FR is about realms that are forgotten in the setting. When the World of Greyhawk box came out you didn't learn much from the title except maybe generic fantasy. Dark Sun straight out lied in the title because it has one sun and it isn't dark, except maybe at night. I don't remember any source saying the sun is bright all the time somewhere on Athas so maybe it's dark sometimes. Spelljammer isn't about cancelling spells. Windjammer is not now and wasn't in the 90s a very common word. Even if it was spelljammer doesn't tell you it is about sailing between planets or some sort of magical pirate setting.
Anonymous No.96980908 [Report]
>>96975424
Thanks! That was really helpful in figuring this stuff out, I see now that Arabian Adventures is the rules and Land of Fate seems to be the setting box?
Anonymous No.96983024 [Report]
>>96893030 (OP)
So many good settings from the 2e days. I use the old books with 5e or Castles and Crusades.