Thread 96899924

Now that Trench Crusade has moved onto $85 USD bespoke plastic kits, what’ll game will take its place as the “3D Printer goo Brrrrr” GW Killer??

trench crusade isn't really a warhammer killer, it's even more niche.

also, don't act as if TC is going to transition into selling boxed sets from now on, they are testing the waters

>>96899947
No STLs for you. Buy!

>>96899955
>haha yeah whatever we can just pass around STLs and play the game and have fun
>...on second thought, people not paying for every mini they print is bad and wrong and unsustainable
>buy our kits or fuck off
And just like that: It's dead.

>>96899955
got me there, I didn't know that.
screw the dev team.

>>96899955
Maybe it's changed but isn't TC model agnostic? Nobody's forcing you to buy their shit not yet at least.

>>96900002
For now. From what I’ve heard, their Discord server is imploding right now and no-one is getting a straight answer.

>>96900002
They do not host any events or own any stores so they cannot enforce any rules around their miniatures.Any rules around miniatures will be confirmed if they do a Trench Crusade tournament etc.

>>96900843
Unfortunately a lot of tournament organizers are corporate dicksuckers even when they don't have to be. The guys doing the big Alpha Strike tournaments at cons have a rule where you have to use official plastic CGL models (not even the older official IWM metals), just because they include that kind of rule for their 40k tournaments. In their haste to suckle at the corporate cock, they even fucked that up since the CGL models were licensed from IWM at the time, meaning minis made by the rights holder were banned but licensed minis from the rules publishers weren't. These guys jump through hoops the game makers aren't even putting in front of them.

>>96901385
>Unfortunately a lot of tournament organizers are corporate dicksuckers even when they don't have to be.
Pretty sure 99% of the time it's just laziness. You really think a TO wants to argue the minutiae of what is what with the kind of autistic sperg that shows up to most TT tournaments? No, of course not, so they just stick the "official" rules because it gives them an easy built-in yes/no they can use without much thought or having to explain to the local scalefag that his pin-up skink futas aren't appropriate.

>>96899963
But at least we owned the chuds right comrade?

>>96899924 (OP)
Where did you get $85 kits, anon? I can only see the Prussians for $50 on their website.

>>96899924 (OP)
The only reason GW is able to do $85 kits is because the box is branded as GW. That's it. The people making TC are nobodies in regards to GW so selling kits at GW prices won't be sustainable.
Also being able to just print their minis yourself was seen as one of the massive positives they had, but now >>96899955 they seem to turning away from that.
Also the community fucking sucks, very glad I hesitated on buying anything from TC, turned out to be hot dogshit and is rapidly getting worse.

>>96899924 (OP)
Oh boy, the newest tournaments and game cons sure are filled with TC games!

the ridiculous ammount of terrain needed to play this shit is just ridiculous so 90% of the people slightly interested in it just don't bother. Now that 1.0 is out, they'll just give some shit STL releases just to fulfill the kickstarter goals and not get sued to oblivion while seeling plastic kits at GW prices and abandoning the game after retards buy them

>>96904568
>40kiddies when the L-shaped perspex terrain and objective plates isn't considered the peak of hobbying effort

>>96904036
35 dollar shipping.

>>96904877
Attach image challenge impossible

>>96904877
Where do you live that shipping is that much?

>>96904881
God bless the USA

>>96904892
>>96904879
Expedited shipping is the only option?

>>96904895
Yup

>>96904900
That is turbo bullshit.

>>96904908
Don’t say that is the discord, you’ll be kicked

>>96904879
I didn't believe this is true so I went and checked, and it is real. What a way to kill your game, what were they thinking?

>>96901968
A plausible but imaginary reason. There's not that minutiae. I agree with the other poster that people are just kind of cocksuckers.

Do magic players get weird about proxies in casual pick up games because it's a hassle to TO? I don't think so, I think people who naturally want what's "official" are loud and annoying and the average person doesn't think for himself.

>>96905061
The fleeced all they could from the Proonter audience so they’re moving onto the plastics one, hoping they’re so used to GW pricing that they won’t notice their kits are a worse deal than GW.

>>96904009
We should have told them it would have REALLY pissed us off if they killed themselves. Then they'd have really show us! We'd be SOOOO PEEVED if they killed themselves.

>insta ban on their discord for everyone that talks about STLs
lmao
I hope these money hungry fucks rot away

>>96905879
Don’t worry the Discord is now firmly “3D Printers are evil cancer machines and only plastics are good” pilled now.

>>96907284
They really turned into the exact kind of 40kfags that they banned during all that drama, huh? Didn't even last a whole year before succumbing to cancer because they refused to keep using 3d printers lmao

>>96907328
Exactly. They turned in the Printer People as soon as their masters told them too.

>>96904877
You can't really get mad at them about the shipping lol.

>>96905879
>insta ban on their discord for everyone that talks about STLs
Wow that's fucked.

>>96899924 (OP)
This is sad. I guess it's never a good idea to support a game you like too much.

>STL vs expensive official plastics

Isn't the entire point to kitbash/scratchbuild your own models?

>>96907966
That was the idea originally for this and those other "artsy" grimderp games like Turnip. The game was a thin excuse for modeling projects. I guess they've run out of excuses to not advance the actual game part of it and so started selling models. Never buy your games and models from the same source, as they say.

>>96904879
>The GW kit is actually better value, even before shipping.
How the hell did they mess that up?

>>96908856
Such a narrow vision. Piggies gonna pig. Check their thred right here. Either you pay top dolla or ur a jeet das rite.

>>96907284
>>96907878
Kill all discordniggers.

>>96899924 (OP)
Live Gw offices reaction

I have the official STLs and there are about 10 different non-official STL sets for every warband and variant in the game already.

Printfags are not going to buy the plastics and printerless poorfags will just get recasts from the third world so all is good.

If they want the plastics to be more popular they really need to shave those prices down, including the outrageous postage fees.

>>96899924 (OP)
the only thing killing warhammer is warhammer. not a knock-off warhammer

Haha wow yeah, guess so (whatever you're saying OP)

Still playing it though. Never touching GWshit again. Haven't spent a penny on either too btw.

>>96909304
calm down, Ivan

>>96908856
I’m not sure they did, the Trench Crusade fanbase now fully hates 3D Printing and Americans are dutifully buying the Prussian plastics direct, shipping and all.

>>96899955
>on second thought, nah we cant do STLs
>fuck you. Thats why
>put the money in the fucking bag and no one gets hurt

>>96909304
Based. Fucking everything now has to have a discord server and you can't find shit outside of those.

Noob interested in the game here. How encouraged or frowned on are third party models converted for the game? I have some fly mutant guys I was going to use for Turnip28 that would be perfect as Black Grail guys.

>>96915233
My entire play group uses models sourced from Telegram and I have yet to meet someone who cares if it’s an official STL

Go ham, variety is the spice of life!

>>96915282
Great, thanks. I guess I should have also asked about the scale, because my dudes are mostly Perry minis.

>>96915323
Samefagging my own post, they look to be slightly taller than GW scale, which throws out Perry minis since they’d be itty bitty in comparison. I’ll dig around for suitable replacements.

>>96912620
>the Trench Crusade fanbase now fully hates 3D Printing
Don’t mistake one or two assmad noisy retards on /tg/ for the whole fanbase, anon. I actually upgraded my printers to new models for TC (among other things).

>>96915323
Ugh, yeah, the Perrys are still stuck in the mid-80’s Ral Partha ‘true 25mm’ mindset.

You’ll need a more ‘heroic’ scale (think Victrix) if you’re going to use historical plastics for kitbashing. Wargames Atlantic has some good options too, but by the time you’re buying multiple boxes to kitbash TC you’re better off buying some STLs and making friends with someone who has a 3D resin printer.

I print models for people in exchange for resin. They get their warband and I get to keep the leftover resin, perfect synergy.

>>96907966
>Isn't the entire point to kitbash/scratchbuild your own models?
but how are the grifters supposed to earn money off that?
Nevermind that they don't own any rights to dipping ww1 soldier minis in mud and supergluing some crosses to them so they have no actual product beyond a rulebook

>>96916198
>they have no product beyond a rulebook

Welcome to the tabletop publishing industry, anon. The industry has massively outpaced its ability to sustain itself.

>>96915803
Yeah I’m actually looking at the WGA WWI Germans to make into recent Black Grail “converts”.

>>96917237
The Russians actually look better for the role

>>96899955
The grimdark prophecies of arch the norwegian faggot have come to pass. Seriously he’s so gay and that’s why he hates muslims and isn’t fucking lumlum

>>96917237
>>96917370
I have a box of those WGA WW1 Russkies for The Last War and they’re a bit on the smaller side for TC.
L-R Primaris Sgt, WHFB/Mordheim militia, 40K Tau, 2x WGA Russians.

I mean you do you, but they’re a weird size, like 28mm non-heroic.

>>96899955
I believe we were promised more STLs as part of The Carcass Front expansion which is due in December (giggle, snort).
I shall be sore disappointed if there are no additional STLs as part of TCF.

>>96907284
"We have always been at war with 3d printers! Plastic kits have always been our friend!"
>>96907328
The chud is always right.
>>96899955
The funniest thing is their kickstarter states that the entire range will be available as STL's lmfao.

>>96900002
every game is model agnostic if you’re bold enough.
>but muh tourney play
an alarming number of tournaments allow unpainted models now. theres no point in playing anything in a tournament setting

>>96918590
>kikestarter project lies, overpromises, underdelivers
you’d think people would learn by now

>>96918610
History repeats itself, again.

>>96918385
Woah, good to know. I also didn’t realize that Black Grail troops fight unarmed, so a box of guys with rifles is kind of pointless. I think some of the Games Workshop goblin town goblins could work well as a base for converting/sculpting since they’re all fucked up and mutated. Don’t need 36 of them though, so I guess I’m combing ebay. Thanks, anon.

>>96899955
ARCH fucking CALLED IT. To be fair they lost any chance of being a GW killer when they purge the main fanbase that gather cause they were right-leaning.

>>96905879
Their discord is pure cancer. Blame the 28magfags

>>96899955
Lmao. Rugpull

They banned people for asking about Aztec human sacrifice and cannibalism. People werent even being chuds, they were just asking what is going on in the Americas in this setting.

I hate calling games in general trash because someone obviously put a lot of effort and passion into it... BUT... this game is barely even out and it already has like 20 different factions lmao. not looking good.

>>96919143
If you’re not committed to 100% plastics, there are plenty of indie pewter/white metal companies that can provide you with some core troops.

Etsy will also likely have ‘print on demand’ people you can access that will happily print you any warband you want. Just make sure they use resin printing in ABS-like.

My flgs already banned it lol

>>96923482
That was some funny drama. Being shitlib progtards to a man, half of them said it was racist and exclusionary to not have muh Mesoamerican ‘civilizations’ and the other half said it was racist and colonialist to portray them as retarded savages.

Neither side got the memo that the Aztecs likely fell because dumping thousands of human heads and bodies into your water supply is a bad idea.

In the context of the JewishChristian

>>96923539
Did they specify some reason why?

>>96923566
The owner said the group who wanted to play it (who i dont know t b h) had no minis just some printed rules and were asking for way too much table space and the store terrain and hadnt bought stuff at the store

>>96923564
Shit, hit post by accident.
>In the context of the JewishChristian
In the context of the Semitic Yahweh/Jesus/Muhammad desert god being ‘real’ and manifest, it’s almost impossible to include other ‘false’ religions in the setting, and ‘racist and colonialist’ to impose the Semitic god upon them.

The banwave had to happen as there was no way to resolve it without pissing off a bunch of shitlibs and so Fag28 did what leftist authoritarians do best when confronted with a problem of their own making: they (in this case metaphorically) executed people making noise about it.

>>96923564
I love Mesoamerican history and archaeology but its retarded to deny they had alot of cannibalism and sacrifices going on lol. We have plenty of evidence now at this point. The Spanish made shit up but even the "pro indian" accounts are all like "yeah they like cutting out hearts, eating people and killing kids to try and make rain come"

>>96923598
This is one of the reasons they are pivoting to box sets, no FLGS is going to risk le edgy child-inappropriate games in-store if they can’t at least sell some rulebooks, box sets and dice.

>>96923598
That's harsh but fair, gotta keep the business going and freeloaders don't help with that.

>>96923616
It's telling that the Spanish had absolutely no difficulty convincing every other group around to gang up on the Aztecs.

>>96923598
If that's what they want to do, then they need to go find a store that rents out tables. If you aren't buying the product, then you gotta pay for the service.

>>96923598
That's understandable but it sucks. Im a frequent purchaser from the local store, both with models and paints, but am always playing some off-normal shit (Mordheim or whatever) instead of immediately recognizable 40k. The owner knows me so he's cool but the second one of his scumbag employees tries to check me on that front, if that ever happens, I'm taking my business to online and letting the store get fucked. It's plain rude. I pay over market prices for hobby shit because I like this place existing, don't ever give me shit for one table when 30-50 wild MTG players flood the joint every Friday. Having the pretend like they're people. (Smelly!)

>>96899955
man i cant imagine an actual unironic "small indie company please understand" that built its entire brand and groundswell on the good will of print enthusiasts being so dismissive and outright confrontational with the customer base that got them off the ground in the first place.

this level of borderline hostility towards the fans that made their small project a success is almost never seen in small startups.

what the fuck.

>>96900023
Can I have some meltdown pics please? I’m at work and I don’t have the discord app on my phone.

>>96899924 (OP)
>gw killer
If the vidya “halo killer” and “wow killer” trends should have taught us anything it is that only the big boys at the top can be their own undoing. In this tabletop wargaming case only gw can kill gw.

And I guess if trench crusade is gonna destroy itself the signs were already there and it will start with gw tier priced plastic kits and other bad choices mentioned in this thread. Like the betrayal of diy and 3d printing if it is true they are backing down on one of those core principles of their philosophy that made them big in the first place.
>trench crusade related blogging below
I now regret supporting the kickstarter for the physical book. I think fear of missing out got me.
I probably should have regretted it sooner but maybe I’ll keep the book as a memento with a lesson on fomo attached.

>>96923623
I think the "edgy and no products" thing was key, the owners an old boomer (retired usaf) but hes cool and is always up front about it being a bussiness and he needs to keep the lights on. Ive seen him ask people to tone it down with swearing and i get it, lots of kids come in (half the place is RC stuff and CCGs) and he doesnt want edgelords scaring away a parent. He did let me very discreetly use a spitter when i packed copenhagen tho lol.

>>96923875
>what the fuck.
On the flipside, consumers can register their discontent by playing the game without paying Factory Fortress a dime.

FF’s big challenge is that after the kickstarter they have no functional reliable revenue stream. Rules are free, nobody’s obligated to use ‘official’ models, and STLs get insta-pirated by scumbags.

The kickstarter money won’t last forever and they need a new source of cash. Hence the shift to boxes of plastics.

I’m a printfag and as much as I hate the GW tier shift I completely understand why it’s been done.

>>96924015
>Hence the shift to boxes of plastics.
Did they have to be gw tier priced and provide such a low quantity of minis in the box for said price?
Wargames Atlantic gets by just fine.
>Les Grogards infantry box is 24 minis for 40 usd.
>also in hard plastic
>And does free shipping after the cart reaches 75 usd and up worldwide.

>>96923952
>He did let me very discreetly use a spitter when i packed copenhagen tho lol.
Based. My indie FLGS closed earlier this year, they were in competition with GW a few doors away and surviving on a hybrid CCG/GW/boardgame model but didn’t really have secondary streams (no 3d print services, no food/drink, no wargaming table hire, no RPG hire rooms). Then a specialist CCG shop opened up nearby and all the smelly CCG retards jumped ship and it died.

Too many people go into ‘gaming shops’ not understanding they’re competing with Amazon, GW, discount mail order, even normie retailers like Target that now sell Pokémon and M:TG.

Indie retailers need to offer services these other companies don’t and they need to get paid for them.

I’ve long dreamed about opening a ‘games barn’ that offers discount wargaming supplies, hire tables, RPG rooms, 3D printer farm, and food and drink with a liquor license from say 5pm each day so kids have to leave at that time. But I’d only do it if I won the lottery and it was a hobby-job that I didn’t need to be profitable. Fuck putting my house and investments on the line for smelly, poor loser nerds.

>>96924055
Pretty sure this is just testing the waters. If they were smart they would set up distributors in nations with strong kickstarter response (KS breaks down backers by nation).

Then they could ship the models en masse to the distributors for a peppercorn fee and sell them ‘locally’, giving granular pricing control, lower postage and potentially avoiding certain taxes and tariffs.

FF really needs to consult some import/export experts and lawyers to clusterfuck-proof their international supply chains while maxing profits.

I don't know how conpanies think they can come in charging GW prices without already having the paypig fanatic fanbase GW has. Infinity does the same thing where they value per mini is outrageous, their boxed sets are like 6-10 dollars per mini, like, no one's interested in your game and you're not gonna drum up much interest when the price is so prohibitive towards people who wanna just dip their toes in and try it out.

>>96924090
Yeahi wouldnt be suprised if has other income streams. He does have drinks and snacks tho. RC stuff seems to be a good seller too whenever im in there for a while

>>96924204
He’s ex chair force so he probably has a pulp fiction style gimp in a box in a locked room out the back LOL

>>96924015
This discontent will not be "registered," it will go overlooked.

>>96924055
Grognards are so delightfully good for their price. I was sold when I opened my first box of the infantry and further more when I bought the Weapon Teams.

>>96923605
>it’s almost impossible to include other ‘false’ religions in the setting
This is an autistic person's opinion. "Everybody would know Jesus 4 Realz and that would be that" meanwhile you're still refusing to get vaccinated because you're part of a large group of braindeaths who experience no trouble waking up and denying reality every day of their lives.

>>96925021
Who posts shit like this?

>>96924118
It won’t matter. The prices will still be like warhammer models and ff will inevitably start going back on being a middle finger to gw.
Unless the plastic kits sell poorly and have to be clearance discounted to send a message that factory fortress can’t do the kind of shit gw does. And they shouldn’t do the kind of shit gw does in the first place.

>>96899955
>try to break into the turnip crowd
>kill 3D printing
What is this business strategy called?

>>96925056
Expedited suicide.

>>96923875
There is no hostility. Printlets got access to an entire range of multiple factions of well-designed models. They got a great deal. Now we're seeing who is mature enough to accept that, and who are whiny greedy children (most of whom were likely pirating and not pledging in the first place).

>>96923875
The loudest faggots in any public community are going to be lazy, stupid, and entitled. Printfags are self-motivated hobbyists who were already willing to invest in the hardware, materials, and skills to learn 3d printing. They have nothing to lose by getting invested in a game that is explicitly printer-friendly... Everyone else, however, is a brainless faggot who doesn't like the idea of having to learn something new or even just pay someone else, to print minis for them. To those faggots, being expected to learn or engage with another hobby like 3d printing is an unfair, hostile move against them. They demand to be involved and cannot feel like they are part of a community that would otherwise require them to do something besides just paypigging for products they might never use.

Moving to plastic kits because the loudest, largest segment of lazy faggot consumers demanded it allow the Tranny Crusade faggots to sell product to people who will gladly pay up, even if they won't take the time to assemble, let alone paint, any of it. Not like this game has a FLGC scene either, so it's not as if they are kicking people out of any regular events. TC gets a little bit more money before they eventually ditch the whole project because it's not viable, and everyone else gets shown the door.

>>96924966
Potato potahto

>>96925021
Woah buddy I’m sensing some hostility here, there is no need to be upset.

>>96925031
One of their big challenges will be the limited demand for their plastics. A certain number of boxes need to sell to make the die cutting etc viable, but unlike spess muhreens nobody will be buying multiple boxes of their specialist units, so that means they have to rely on growing the playerbase to make the sales they need to survive.

The good news from that is that if they want to survive they can’t keep pandering to faggot shitlibs like >>96925021 and will eventually have to accept that yes, not everyone who plays Trench Crusade is going to be an intersectional transgender feminist in a BLM tutu with nineteen self diagnosed mental illnesses and eight flavor of the month flags in their bluesky bio.

>>96923917
>And I guess if trench crusade is gonna destroy itself the signs were already there and it will start with gw tier priced plastic kits and other bad choices mentioned in this thread.
Worst part about it is that if what you say comes to pass, the TC fanboys are gonna defend every bad GW tier choice the Trench Crusade devs make. And they'll justify it by saying it isn't GW no matter how similar the decisions are or that it is a small indie company or that it somehow still encourages kitbashes.

>>96926248
>the TC fanboys are gonna defend every bad GW tier choice the Trench Crusade devs make
Gotta have something to balance out the whiny spergs that criticise every choice the TC devs make.

Don’t like the plastics, don’t buy the plastics, you fucking drama addict.

>>96926881
>I HAVE to defend every shitty decision they make
It's fine to criticize something you like, you reductionist retard.

>>96926881
>Don’t like the plastics, don’t buy the plastics
I don’t think you’ve thought this through.
Tc seems to have made this their new means of finding the project.
They’re gonna most likely rely on sales now and if they’re pricing is gonna be like their first kit then the rest will be priced accordingly and a lot of people will vote with their wallets and tc loses funding.
Then tc fizzles out due to lack of funding. Is this what you want?

>>96927088
The alternative is they don’t release plastics and TC fizzles out anyway. Feel free to theorize an alternative income stream to plastics.

Any idiot can criticize but it’s astonishing how few of said idiots can actually propose solutions.

>>96927146
No the alternative is that tc makes the plastic model boxes better value so there is incentive to buy them.
I want this to happen as I want tc to continue.

>>96927176
Everyone wants shit to be cheaper anon, we may find that the current price is FOMO based and prices may step down as the plastic die recoups its cost and sales drop off.

Remember that unlike GW squad plastics, people won’t likely be buying multiple boxes of these units. Limited demand and fixed costs requires higher prices to offset costs.

The game doesn't have a lot of lasting potential

>>96899924 (OP)
No comic relief = No mass appeal.

tc is niche for life

>>96899955
From a business perspective, the writing was on the wall for something like this occurring.
Trench Crusade isn't like Turnip28 or Blockwar where they're made by artists who don't care to grow the business beyond what it is, they want to expand as a business and to do that they've concluded that selling STLs is no longer viable.
Now, my real question is on whether or not this was "premeditated", as in, was this planned when they launched the Kickstarter if it was sufficiently successful? Because when you think about all the time/effort/networking you have to do to setup a supply chain for miniature boxes, a turnaround time of a year from nothing is kind of crazy.

Whatever the case, it is backstabbing 3D printers who were diehard supporters, but whether or not this leads to any consequences, I can't say.

>>96900002
Thats not really a decision they can make at this point. Cats out of the bag and I doubt they'll ever get enough of the community on board for it to stop being generally accepted as model agnostic.

>>96900002
>>96899955
Its model agnostic and there will be scans of the minis no doubt, I'm not worried.

>>96899924 (OP)

they're anti chud, do not play

Been seeing this shit get posted as a warhammer killer for like 3 years now and it never goes anywhere.

>>96936916
"warhammer killers" never eventuate. Any game thats actually good just becomes a 2nd, 3rd etc game to sit on the shelf beside warhammer minis. Closest was warmachine but even at its peak most warmachine players still had warhammer armies simply because being wargamer for long enough inevitably leads to collecting games as well as armies.

>>96899955
>"Back in 2024"
Bitch it was last year, cheeky buggers trying to make it sound like it was in ages past. The kickstarter was almost exactly 12 months ago give or take a week.

>>96899955
wtf does that mean '3d printing would not be able to keep up with demand'? My 3D printer can obviously keep up with MY DEMAND

Just another way they're aping GW, bullshit corpo-waffle

>>96900023
good, fuck that server of trash Muh OC lore, and "hecking rad totally good guys yet lgbtq friendly hyper technological advanced atheist" fan faction
did they ever divide that cancer into its own server like they said they would?

>>96930482
no way, TC was a perfect storm of being able to come out during the GW is woke storm draw in cash from chudhammers and arch, then turn around and say we dont support any of you.
When they launched they never expected to make a cool million off kickstarter at most id wager they planned to make as much as turnip28 did and just enough to get a rule book out and some stl's to encourage fan work
now they got some wind in their sails they want to start spreading out and trying to stand with the big dogs despite it pissing off the 3d printer crowds who got them there

>>96927146
I got one
dont release STL of the specialist warbands, just the basic factions, include the new factions coming up so you got the even 12 they said they wanted to keep the rules easy to adjust then make plastic models of the specalist warbands like the Prussians/submarine raiders
people can buy specalist warbands to support TC, people who want to buy their one warband can do so and get the unique designs, TC stays model agnostic, people can buy basic model STL if they want to print their own units and make homebrew armor or whatever

im happy this retarded edgelord shit turned out to be a rugpull. serves the retards who wasted money on right

>>96937461
So your ‘alternative proposal’ is that they do exactly what the appear to be doing?

How is that an ‘alternative’?

>>96927241
>and prices may step down as the plastic die recoups its cost and sales drop off.
Holy shit, you're retarded.

>>96938243
>Holy shit, you're retarded.
Apparently I’m in good company then.

The lore building for TC on here is pretty hecking epic I must say. I guess don't buy the plastic stuff (you don't even play TC anyway so that's no problem) and carry on just printing your designs and kit bashing like everyone was doing before during and after the Kickstarter.
>THEY LOST ALL THEIR PLAYER BASE AFTER THE PURGE OF X POLITICAL LEANING PEOPLE
>makes 3 million on Kickstarter
Yeah uh huh. I'm sure the devs also said Heil Hitler/kill all white people or whatever

>>96938359
To be fair they made three milly, THEN told the chuds (of whom I’m one I suspect) that TC is not their refuge from the rapidly metastasising BlackRock/Vanguard faggotry at GW.

>release overpriced kikestarter subfactions by the truckload
>meanwhile your setting and lore is just a bunch of loose scraps of edgy without any charme or characters worth mentioning
who is this supposed to appeal to

>>96938932
Everything has to start somewhere anon. Rogue Trader was a fucking hot mess and look at the money printer it turned into.

>>96939108
Ok, but then why spam a million subfactions and charge $100 before shipping for 4 models?

>>96939254
>why spam a million subfactions
Because they all play differently and that keeps gameplay fresh and interesting.
>models
That’s $100 for at least 14 models that were designed by a premium third party (Creature Caster) well known for high prices. Works out to what, ~$6/model?

I dunno anon, I think there are far worse deals out there.

>>96939277
locking some "premium" warbands behind a $100 paywall while also getting rid of STLs when $50 for some shitty noname plastic men is already a tough ask is just blatant greed and detracts from the game. And they're not even cool or popular like Space Marines, they're just a bunch of random scrimblos, so maybe those people should take their head out of their own asses before their shitty little game is dead for good.

>>96899924 (OP)
The stuff I’ve seen of it so far is that they fed concepts of dieselpunk and ww1 apocalyptic imagery into an AI generator can pumped out this newest slop.

>>96937106
If they're planning on selling models themselves, at some point injection-molded plastic does become a better choice than 3d printing all models since it scales a lot better (molds themselves are expensive, but once you've paid that initial cost the plastic itself is very cheap and you can produce batches of models a lot quicker than with a 3d printer). The real bullshit is them removing the STLs. Like, sell models for people who don't have their own printers, or of stuff that would be difficult to do with a typical 3d printer, but let people who own printers buy STLs to print their own stuff.
It'd be one thing if they had never been offering the STLs and just swapped the in-house model production from resin to plastic, but being able to print or kitbash your own models was one of their selling points. It's not like people can't just get 3rd party "similar but legally distinct" STLs, so I'm not sure this would even increase their profits.

>>96904568
You.... really aught to avoid looking at typical Oathmark tables.

>>96939431
Injection molding only scales if you're selling huge quantities and shipping to stores all around the globe. TC will never be that big and switching to only selling plastic kits will be the death of them in the long run, especially with international shipping rates being what they are these days.

For a fraction of the cost, they could set up workshops internationally with half a dozen 3d printers each, all the materials they'd ever need, all the PPE and safety equipment to keep the place properly ventilated, and have a few guys running off trays of prints and then shipping them as a print on demand service. They could even pass the POD service off to a third party and have other people licensed to print and ship TC minis for them, as long as they adhere to standards set by the TC guys.

They have specifically chosen a way of doing things that is more expensive, less profitable, and less accessible.

>>96918080
I don't know if you've read the quran anon, but Muslims are fine with being gay so long as your rogering children. Interestingly, according to one of the hadiths, Muhammad was apparently raped my proto-pakistanis, indus valley people whom migrated out, which is probably why buggery between adults is outlawed.
The quran is a fascinating read, I recommend it.

>>96925021
"N-n-n-no, you ca-cant talk about the bad things done by muh heckin none white cultures"
It's going to upset you a lot to realise that Africans practiced slavery for millennia before white man arrived, and the barbary pirates raided the coast of Spain, France, and England for white slaves, isn't it?
Not to mention african practices of cannibalism, genocide, and rape of all ages.

>>96899924 (OP)
>Next GW Killer?
Just find a miniature agnostic game ruleset and play that.
I only know of Xenos Rampant from /awg/.
Still it is quite sad seeing TC charge prices like their IP is as big as the Warhammer IP.

>>96926248
Ironically these plastics are more overpriced than GW's models. I can pay a lot less to get Kriegers for Kill Team, which is probably what I'll do. Cheaper shipping too as GW is more competent at distribution so I don't have to deal with a webstore that charges $35 shipping for a single box.

>>96926248
I took a gander at the /trench/ general and they mostly are pretending nothing is wrong or making excuses for said terrible price choice.
To be fair when Privateer Press was ruining warmahordes there were a lot of fans making excuses defending the bad decisions while many saying they are bad choices were ignored with the same excuses like being poor.
I’m seeing the same thing happening again with Trench Crusade.

>>96943098
Difference is that Warmahordes was briefly an actual challenger to Warhammer.

>>96899924 (OP)
lol; lmao
it's not; that shit's been astroturfed to hell and back
i had a customer or two coming in asking me if we had kits from these suckers.
it's not getting anywhere. conquest has a better chance than fucking trench crusade at overtaking GW

>>96939307
>locking some "premium" warbands behind a $100 paywall
Rules are free and proxies/kitbashes are acceptable, stop concern trolling.

>getting rid of STLs when $50 for some shitty noname plastic men is already a tough ask
Proxies/kitbashes are acceptable, stop concern trolling.

>they're not even cool or popular like Space Marines
Go back to Goonhammer with the rest of the rainbow coalition GW ballwashers you partothaired he-she genderfreak.

>>96940456
Finally an intelligent post against plastics that isn’t just ‘they cost too much!’ or ‘Printerfags rugpulled!”

As a KS backer and printfag I agree that it’s a shame they will not be releasing any more STL’s but I completely understand why they’re doing it. Unethical poorfags who pirate the STLs or sell price-undermining prints online are the ones that forced this decision on FF/TC.

If there was no STL piracy making STLs unprofitable they would probably still be releasing them. Alas the problem is with the community not the company.

>>96899955
If they made claims about the entire range being printable in their kickstarter, then reneged on that after getting funding, there should be a class action suit.

>>96943827
>If there was no STL piracy making STLs unprofitable they would probably still be releasing them.
Anon, they made one million dollars purely from digital sales.

>>96943884
I don’t dispute that the STL support in the kickstarter was a huge part of its success. But asking people to not share them will obviously never work.
Let’s be honest, even with the plastics, malicious people are still going to scan/print, recast etc.
Think of the boxed plastics as an optional purchase for fans to help fund the future of the company and you may find that more reasonable.

Honestly the only thing stopping me from buying them is the retarded postage. But if that changes I will definitely buy a box.

>>96943917
Does it really matter if they are pirated when at least one third of your profits have come from STLs?
Piracy is really easy, yeah, doesn't mean everyone does it. That's a dumb assumption.

This shit looks like a cringe edgelord rugpull

>>96943990
It might as well be one if one looks at how much the official plastic kit costs.

>>96943954
> Does it really matter if they are pirated when at least one third of your profits have come from STLs?
>Piracy is really easy, yeah, doesn't mean everyone does it. That's a dumb assumption.

Piracy has enough of an impact to make STLs nonviable or they’d be still doing them, it’s not hard to understand.

>>96944586
>Piracy has enough of an impact to make STLs nonviable
There's no proof of this. They just say that the cost of making STLs is expensive. (Lie)

>>96923564
>Neither side got the memo that the Aztecs likely fell because dumping thousands of human heads and bodies into your water supply is a bad idea.
And the fact that basically everybody else in the region hated them and teamed up with Cortez to kick their asses.

>>96940456
The extraordinary cost of injection moulded plastics is based on out of date information from decades ago, repeated and hyperbolised by GW simps who see no issue with the doublethink required to be dishonest in order to post apologism for the firm. You only have to look at, THINK about and interpret the proliferation of plastic kits for wargaming over the last couple of decades. The process has been made a lot cheaper with digital tools. Even that it's just a coincidence and there's a wave of wealthy wargamers that have just happened to spring up at the same time and use their boys toys budget on wardolly kits, how many fucking million did the kickstarter raise? That's a fuckload of kits that can be tooled and run off.

>For a fraction of the cost, they could set up workshops internationally with half a dozen 3d printers each, all the materials they'd ever need, all the PPE and safety equipment to keep the place properly ventilated, and have a few guys running off trays of prints and then shipping them as a print on demand service.
Another thing to think about and interpret, if it's so commercially viable to pay wages to multiple people to "babysit half a dozen printers 3d each" where is everybody else? The idea doesn't seem to be going great for Privateer Press.

>>96943827
>Finally an intelligent post against plastics that isn’t just ‘they cost too much!’ or ‘Printerfags rugpulled!”
It's not an intelligent post, you're just thick enough that it seems smart. ‘they cost too much!’ has more inherent understanding of the market and costs than that retarded printsimp bullshit.

The setting where you have 1950's jets fighting alongside medieval era knights in full sets of plate armor while wielding AK47 was too retarded to survive anyway

>>96899924 (OP)
It's a Warhammer Killer, but not in the way you expect.

It probably won't directly outcompete GW, and replace 40k kits on shelves.
But TC has demonstrated that you can still make an incredibly popular, enjoyable setting/product, to a wide audience, without removing all the confrontational material in it.

Because in the past, when IP's want to broaden out to more people, the standard practice has always been to quietly strip away anything negative or unpalatable. It's happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, and it's happened to 40k.
Nuance get ditched not deliberately. But you loose it on the way, as you cut out anything triggering.

Yeah sure there are other games, notably T28. But TC demonstrates that you can make an EXTREMELY confrontational setting, and still be equally or more popular than big established ones like 40k.
You can also rely on cheap mini's with no real relation, plus some lazy kitbashing, for your models. You don't need crazy priced plastic sprews (even though the newest TC ones are a little bit dear (though they're not optimized yet)).
And most critically, you can do all this from your own home. You can MAKE a new 40k, or TC, or T28, or whatever for yourself. There are other Warhammer-like's games out there.

It's not going to tank GW. But TC's been a turning point in how TTWG's are perceived by more and more hobbyists.

>>96899955
>New releases will be in plastic.
>Trolls trying to make something out of it.
Kek.

Jesus TC fanboys are some of the most insecure I've ever fucking seen. This isn't a GW killer or genuine threat as even ignoring how hard left leaning the creators are
>The game's rules
>The game's map
>The game's lore
>The game's understanding of the faiths it's based off of
are so poorly thought out. That I can't understand how this game gained any traction at all, are people so spiteful towards GW that they'd back one of the worst planned grimderp games ever made? They couldn't read the room and understand that a very large number of potential customers aren't very left leaning, nor are they fond of it and in fact are extremely resentful of it. They didn't understand that even less want to pay GW prices when a big reason why people left GW, was because GW was practically robbing people with paying $50 for four fucking models. I hope someone else comes up with a similar setting that doesn't make the same mistakes.

>>96940456
It does not need to scale for them, because they let someone else (i.e. Archon studios) do the work for them. It costs a few thousand to make the tool, and then the actual product is made according to demand, similar to all the other stuff Archon does for a number of other companies and games.
If the guys behind trench crusade would do everything by themselves, then it would be a big expense, but if they just source it out to a company that runs the machines and tooling by themselves anyway, it's really not that expensive.
See how the YouTubers from Miniwargaming just paid WGA to make those trench crusade Mormons in plastic. Everyone (with a good job of course) could afford to get a plastic set made.

>>96949419
Stop liking stuff I don’t like, the post. Calm down, nobody’s forcing anyone to play TC.

>>96949419
>even ignoring how hard left leaning the creators are

Why ignore the best part?

>The game's understanding of the faiths it's based off of

Who cares?

>>96950112
>>96950233
Thanks for precisely proving my fucking point.

>>96899924 (OP)
The plastic kit pricing is laughable like people bought into trench crusade because it was supposed to be “anti-gw” in not resembling gw’s typical shenanigans but here we are with the first cardinal sin committed of having the plastic kit overpriced for such a small amount.

>>96951210
>bringing this shit up yet again
Go read the current and previous TC General threads for details of why you’re flogging a dead horse, you worthless piece of shit.

>>96943359
Was it? It's kind of like
>X-Wing is totally kicking GW ass
When it was only committed to a sprint
PP had product people wanted and even broke into markets where it was by itself and then cut off their dick in the weird "We're winning" lap just because they had some really good quarters.

>>96899955
3D printing was never going to be sustainable for the demand of a large wargame like TC. Especially doing it through fucking Only-Games of all things. That being said them halting production of STLs is a dick move, as it takes very little effort to supply the original STLs to their userbase. It's usually the factory who actually cuts a model up for sprue kits and injection molding, not the designer.

>>96951389
It was funny seeing the excuses the trenchers made for it.
Privateer Press was brought up and I bet the warmachine and hordes fans were making excuses in the same way when seeing the signs of bad things to come.

>>96949062
>confrontational material
Wtf does this mean? TC doesn't really have anything controversial in it and anything that could be [spoilers] muslims lol [/spoiler] is handled the same way other properties do it.

>>96943874
>there should be a class action suit.
Ahahahahahaha!

More of the printfag mind in action. "Other people should do a bunch of costly effort, and then let me sign my name to the bottom of it, so I can get more toys for free"

>>96949419
>MapAnon back for another round of mental illing
Hell yeah

>>96951991
Your post made no sense. You'd be better off just saying kickstarter is a scam and backers aren't owed anything.

>>96943874
Anon, the entire range in the kickstarter was made available as STLs. They never said ‘every future release’.

>>96951443
>large wargame like TC
Lmao don't delude yourself.

>>96952234
compared to something like War Machine or OPR it's big

>>96952441
It really isn't. It gets a ton of attention, but it's actual size is just not there (yet).

>>96899924 (OP)
For people who do so much bitching about mini prices, fa/tg/uys are remarkably clueless about the topic. The expectations that people have on prices around here are just incredibly unrealistic.

GWs net profit margin is something like 30% and that's with the benefit of being a big company, exploiting economies of scale etc.

The TC guys have none of that and have to contend with low sales volumes that naturally come with being the new kid on the block. Anything they save by having low overhead they lose by having low sales. I'm frankly surprised the prices aren't even higher.

>>96940456
>For a fraction of the cost, they could set up workshops internationally with half a dozen 3d printers each,
People just fart out these opinions as if it's a trivial thing to run a chain of decentralized international production. All this, mind you, by a couple of dudes who had to get initial funding via kickstarter. You guys are just wildly unrealistic

>>96953135
How can Perry miniatures, WGA, Warlord and other companies release their sets for around 30€ then?

>>96953272
Both of those are small companies that don't bring in a lot of money despite being industry veterans. The margin on that must be absolutely atrocious and it shows. The kits are old, they don't make their own IP, the designs aren't much to look at by modern standards... At least historicals have the big benefit of being generic designs you can copy paste 500 times. They're not really headed anywhere big and they're certainly not killing GW anytime soon.

This is exactly what I means when say people are being unrealistic about TC. People expect it to be some kind of GW killer while expecting it do that on pocket change margins while getting a better product. How exactly are the TC guys supposed to grow their company and take on established players while apparently refusing to make money?

>>96953272
That guy is baiting.
He's pretending they can't possibly make plastic and STLs when even OPR with a fraction of the money are doing so.
They're selling 51 plastic minis for 100 bucks without even counting all the extra shit.

>>96953537
OPR is doing cheap boardgame PVC minis tho. That's a totally different thing, compared to injection molding.
TC minis are that expensive because people pay that price. I'm fairly sure the initial production batch has sold out already, and it will have funded the injection tool, so now they will order a 2nd batch from Archon and make profit.

>>96953339
>They're not really headed anywhere big and they're certainly not killing GW anytime soon.

They don't move anywhere? They just keep releasing new miniatures. What else is there for them to do?
>Kill GW
How much of a retard are you, to assume that every company out there should have the goal to kill GW? Has GW broken your mind that bad, that you can't even see that the miniatures market is big enough to support several games with plastic releases being alive and doing well at the same time?

>>96953563
>How much of a retard are you, to assume that every company out there should have the goal to kill GW?
I don't care if TC kills GW. I'm just observing how most people on this hellsite like to behave about it. The title of this thread is literally "Next GW Killer?" so I kinda assume that's what were' talking about.

>>96950708
even under the most charitable interpretation, those posts don't prove any of the points you made.

>>96953759
>They are this intentionally obtuse
Again my point keeps being proven.

>>96953339
WGA is literally the company producing the TC plastics, and they've produced similar kits for other companies (and themselves under their own brand) for much lower prices. The increased price for the TC kit isn't from production costs. Other kits in the exact same production pipeline cost less.

>>96955163
They made their own mormon-themed TC kit that was substantially more expensive per mini than their usual boxes but it's Archon Studios that's producing all the upcoming plastics.

>>96955163
>WGA is literally the company producing the TC plastics

They are not. Get your facts straight.
Archon Studios does the Trench Crusade Prussians.

WGA does inofficial Trench Crusade Mormons. This set was commissions by Miniwargaming Dave (the youtube guy).
You are correct that this set is more expensive than other sets WGA does, but there are several reasons for that:
Its a commission work for Dave from Miniwargaming (YT-Channel). So they have to share their profits with him
Its three unique sprues in one box, so from a production (initial and ongoing) PoV, its more expensive to make than a set of WW1 Germans which is just 5x the same sprue in a box.

Supporting the first point is the fact that also some other sets they make for other people (Quar, Space Nam) are more expensive than their own sets. These people who lend their designs simply want their share.

And the same is happening with Archon Studios and Trench Crusade. Its more expensive than their own sets, because they have to share the profit with the TC guys, obviously.

Now we can argue back and forth if those prices for outsourced plastic sets are too high or if they got too greedy or whatever, but if companies like Archon or WGA would not offer their plastic-making-services to the wider scene, we would get less minis in plastic, simple as that.

>>96956520
>Archon Studios
Prodos. don't let them get away with it.

>>96958347
It's different people Anon.

Why don't they just do a mix of plastic + STL files? The former for low risk armies, the latter for more experimental or niche ones.

>>96899924 (OP)
>>96899955
the $85 plus tip plastic kit has a female leader character

>>96960955
Why would they need to release official stl files? There are 50+ creators that churn out trench crusade related files every month. Why is it so important to have "official" files too, in addition to everything else that's already out there and that's going to be released in the future?

>>96961025
Weird, it costs 39.95 for me.
Have you tried not living in a shit hole country?
That you do not understand why a Prussian set basically needs a female officer.. maybe google Victoria Louise.

>>96961030
why shouldn't they lie? well it's, uhhh immoral

>>96961040
>Have you tried not living in a shit hole country?
The word is "shithole", not "shit hole."
>39.95 yet no $ posted
oh ho ho no NO NO NO NO
>why a Prussian set basically needs a female officer
NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHA

>>96961025
That’s an optional you dickhead. Pic related, the non-vaginal option.

>>96961025
>>96961047
We deserve a better class of troll.

>>96961030
Not as concerned about using 'official' models or not when I've seen others like Wargames Atlantic and Warmachine take advantage of both methods for this exact purpose (and the former doesn't even really have a game under their own belt), but it sure would come across as being less of a rugpull than it is now, which after everything else is probably a good indicator for not even wanting to entertain interacting with Trench Crusade at all.

>>96961066
Different companies have different strategies. What might work for WGA might not work for TC,we don't know.

>>96961066
Your daily reminder that anyone using ‘rugpull’ is either a troll or a fucking moron.
The kickstarter was a standalone product that promised its entire range as STLs. This has been done.
Subsequent products not in the kickstarter are not obligated to follow ythe kickstarter rules.
Show me where they promised that everything they release in the future will be STLs. Pro tip: you won’t because you can’t.

Now FUCK OFF WITH THE FIFTIETH TIME WE HAVE HAD TO POINT OUT THAT YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARDATION.

>>96961212
pure cope

>>96961212
It's 100% a rugpull.

>>96961212
But I want free shit, this is an outrage.

>>96961212
The project got off the ground on the backs of hobbyist/printfag community and the first thing they've did after gaining some momentum is cutting all ties to those people in favor of more profitable customer base? Sure it isn't illegal or anything but it's decidedly scummy.

>>96962434
>cutting all ties to those people in favor of more profitable customer base?
Literally who is stopping you from continuing with your printing, getting STLs from independent designers...? You guys are all behaving like somebody shot your parents or something

>>96962434
>The project got off the ground on the backs of hobbyist/printfag community
no it didn't

I WIN
I ALWAYS FUCKING WIN!

>>96963074
This. The official TC STL files were like what, 1% of whats out there? And not even the best. Just because this Prussian plastic squad exists, you are not forbidden to kitbash WW1 plastic miniatures with Stormcasts or whatever, nor are you forbidden to print whatever STL are out there.

>>96961212
Stop being in denial and just accept the reality that TC has become a victim of popularity that bred hubris, the kind that makes them think they can do stuff GW gets away with on the daily.
The first sign is indicated by a high price for a small quantity of miniatures like GW does is already here.
I've had to accept it too and I backed the kickstarter.

The setting seems so tryhard/edgelord

>>96965333
Check the previous tc threads. Trenchers don’t have the capacity to comprehend that they’re being milked like how gw milks their cult fanbase.

>>96899924 (OP)
Can we stop referring to new things as "the X killer???" Give them the chance to stand up and have their own identity and form their own communities, instead of comparing them to the biggest competitor immediately so you can immediately set yourself up to be let down when it doesn't immediately explode said competitor.

>>96951733
Perhaps you are just desensitized to the severed heads, mummified fetus', radio-children, meta-christ ritual cannibalism, pain sorcery, body horror, death of humanity, and the existential warring bought on by the two opposing sides and philosophies that both can't afford to war with each other, but also existentially can't allow the other to exist?

Sarcasm aside, the setting has always been about being confrontational with things.

Is what you perceive as "Good" actually Good, if your perception is dictated into your being by an entity or body that are decidedly tyrannical and cruel?
Is servility and obedience to your fellows, and to the Lord good, if the Lord is not good? Or is it just how the Lord wants you to be for its own interests?
Is it better to recognize your inner wants and desires as an axis for real good? To do what thou wish, and devolve into beasthood, or grow beyond flawed humanity?

I'd say that's pretty confrontational AND controversial imho. But people seem to brush over the Heretic's origin lore in favour of calling them just existentially evil bad people and being done with it.

>>96925030
It's the "blunderbuss" approach of engagement farmers they adopted after the bots took over all the 1pbtip spaces.

>>96966453
>whoa what if God was, like, a TYRANT and BAD
>what if objective moral order is EVIL and subject morality is GOOD and RIGHT
The 2000s already happened. There's nothing EDGY about the current cultural narrative that is all over tv and the education system.

Philosophically, it's as edgy as tumblr bait tv shows like Lucifer, Supernatural, or Hazbin Hotel because it's the exact same message.

>>96963083
>4661 pledges for $836,541.00 that only cost you modeling.
>9304 physical pledges for $1.3 million for modeling, tooling, production, shipping.
Yes the digital carried it.

t. no stake, I neither kickstarted nor play. This is just a fun fishbowl.

>>96949062
The only people I know who can stomach TC are turbo edgelords, I’d hardly say that it’s “just as popular” as warhammer.

>>96965333
Except that’s entirely wrong you fucking retard for reasons that have already been exhaustively covered already.

>wahh wahh GW pricing
It’s slightly more expensive than GW which is understandable as the smaller customer base and lower purchase rates mean that costs are higher per box.

>wahh wahh it’s too expensive
‘Expensive’ is relative. Some GW character models cost as much as this entire box. Plus you only need, at most, 2 of these boxes to make a Stosstruppen warband, which is a lot cheaper overall than the 6-8 boxes plus vehicles and characters you need for crap like 40K.

>wahh wahh I can’t afford it
Kitbash, proxy or get a print on demand service to make you one of the dozens of alternative STL options.

>wahh wahh they’re just being greedy
The kit is 100% optional and nobody’s being forced to buy it.

>wahh wahh it’s a rugpull and a betrayal of the 3D printing promise they made
Nowhere did they promise the entire range going forward would all be released as STLs, and I challenge anyone to prove they did.

The only people ‘upset’ by this move are Archcast ballwashers, STL pirates, poorfags that think the world owes them something, and trolls.

>>96966322
GW: proxies are strictly banned at tournaments and events, you must buy our overpriced soulless crap to participate.
FF: Proxies and kitbashes are just fine, feel free to use those. Oh and here are official models if you want them, buying these will help us continue to develop and release new models and kits.
Fucking idiots: THESE TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME

Y'know what?
>>96966656
>>96966749
Discuss

If the creators of TC are willing to change their view on STL files as soon as they can sell plastics, what stops them from saying proxy models are a no-go once they sell enough plastic kits? Feels like a slippery slope until the game turns into a GW style walled garden experience.

>>96967040
>Feels like a slippery slope
If only there was a fallacy that covered such a claim, oh wait, there is.

>wahh wahh they will just insist on official models once they start running tournaments
So either don’t play in tournaments, or stick to official stuff already released as STL’s.
Bizarre that people are so desperate to shit on FF for this move that they are resorting to such extreme theoretical edge cases.

>>96967217
I am merely someone who was interested in doing some kitbashing and converting of historicals because I liked the overall aesthetic of TC. I ordered a box of 1918 German infantry right before the plastic announcement and now I am feeling wary. As someone who played other games that went from "Do conversions! Kitbash! Make your custom projects!" to draconian terrain and miniature demands, while also jacking up prices this is a bit of a concern for me. I still plan on converting the infantry for miniature agnostic games at least.

>>96899924 (OP)
absolute retard here, but why not just make a decently fun creative commons wargame?

>>96966778
>>96966813
You’re both still wrong in choosing ignorance or outright defending tc that has abandoned the most important aspect of them being better than gw and not resembling gw. Even if they didn’t say it they were sending that message.
Instead of voicing your concerns and nipping the problem in the bud you both through inaction have told factory fortress that they can be like gw and get away with it.

This is how gw stays on top. Rivals make bad decisions and their fandom doesn’t even raise a finger in disagreement. And when they do it is often too late.

>>96953135
>GWs net profit margin is something like 30%
Anon, you should understand that you can't just make shit up out of thin air. After a very short run GW moulds pay themselves off and after that it's years of pure profit with very little overhead, the popular kits are as close to printing money as you can legally get

>>96961040
>That you do not understand why a Prussian set basically needs a female officer.
Absolutely fucking pathetic, literally kill yourself you flaming ESL faggot

>>96967390
Yeah, you’re the trolling pimple-squeezer who doesn’t even play the game, I’m not going to dignify your headcanon by treating it as worthy of a genuine response. Good day to you sir.

The setting and theme are cool. The rules aren't all that good. Minis were solid but I just converted my warbands anyways.

>>96967985
>The rules aren't all that good.
In which way, and what would you change?

>>96967960
Ignorance is bliss.
I don’t want tc to end up like warmahordes as some anons in the general mentioned but if it happens, it will be another case study in how bad decisions lead to the downfall of good wargaming ips.
A fanbase that refuses to accept that there are cracks forming will be part of tc’s autopsy.

>>96968179
Once again, you’re not even a player or a member of the community, you’re a troll. Shoo, go away.

>>96968239
I’m not obligated to prove to you that I partake in this and have contributed to the kickstarter. And to the op in the early days of the /trench/ general.
As people who care about tc’s health you should feel obligated to point out when cracks are forming that may break what you care about.
But I guess people are now making themselves cattle to a different ip after being cattle for games workshop and will refuse to see the reality that the chances of things turning for the worst is there.

If you can’t see the problems then you’re genuinely hopeless.

>>96968278
>tc… has abandoned the most important aspect of them being better than gw and not resembling gw
This is called ‘an opinion’ not ‘a fact’ and the presentation of opinions as facts is one of the main techniques of the ‘concern troll’.

>Even if they didn’t say it they were sending that message.
Another opinion presented as fact, in lieu of substance in your quest for (you)s.

>Instead of voicing your concerns and nipping the problem in the bud
I want FF to make money so they can stay in business. Selling kits makes money. You are rebranding a good idea as a ‘problem’ so your concern trolling can continue.

>through inaction have told factory fortress that they can be like gw and get away with it.
Just to piss you off, I am going to buy two of these kits so FF knows they don’t have to cater to whiny communist poorfags who think capitalism bad and why can’t I have free shit. Fuck you.

>Rivals make bad decisions
Without a new income stream FF is out of business anyway you absolute fucking retard.

>If you can’t see the problems then you’re genuinely hopeless.
And if all you can do is concern troll and whine about what you think is a bad decision, but you can’t propose alternatives, then your posting is worthless.

Get a fucking job, you loser.

>>96966701
They... "tooled" the figures coming from their 3D print farm? Shut up, you illiterate nitwit.

The type of demand (demand for physical products) that generated more revenue carried the project. With zero digital pledges this project would have still "gotten off the ground." You have nothing.

>>96967642
You're right, Games Workshop doesn't pay their staff, maintain their machines and facilities, or rent store locations.

pUrEpRoFiT

>>96967883
Do you really not understand that princess Victoria of Prussia in her cavalry uniform is such an iconic photograph from RL-Prussia that any kind of "fantasy"-prussia needs a female officer to represent that?