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Help me Onii-chan I'm trapped in the braid again! edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper format
https://pdhhomebase.com/
https://www.pdhrec.com/

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
Have you ever witnessed (or had) a meltdown over stax?

I love violence

>>96952579
go fast eat ass

>>96952585
>"Clever girl."
>Robert Muldoon, last words
huge miss

>>96952565 (OP)
I've witnessed probably 3 to 4 times after 5 years of playing. Where someone has a relatively staxy deck and the rest of the pod goes "ok you win change the deck" after turn 5, and then they just play something different.

>>96952565 (OP)
Amusingly, the only stax related melty I've seen was from the stax player once his stax pieces kept getting destroyed or played around. One of the very few times I've seen a public real-life ragequit.

Sex with goblins

>>96952579
With the hybrid mana changes coming I hope the default for future commanders over 2 colors is hybrid mana exclusively. I'm tired of having to build 3+ color slop piles for every remotely interesting commander, I want the option to build them dual or even mono-color
>inb4 some faggot says 'u can already tard!'
No, if your commander requires a third color or more to cast you can't without making your deck extremely awkward and subverting one of the best things about mono/2: the more consistent mana base you don't need to drop 300 dollars on.
>inb4 some faggot says 'u don't need every shock and fetch tard'
Yes if you want to win you do so stfu.

>>96952565 (OP)
No, I’ve never seen a stax melty. Why? Because the pod I play with despises any type of interaction with other people’s board states, aside from removing people’s commanders. It’s actually bullshit. The worst of the bunch (who spends the most money on his decks) scowled at me when I floated the idea of building this as my monoblack. “Oh, so it’s just removal tribal? Gay.”
They can’t stand playing against theft, counterspells, removal, mill, alternate wincons, infect, “cheating out cards”, or even using the stack. “the stack is so gay bro”. It drives me up the fucking wall because I have eight decks that all have different play styles and I can use half of them. I can’t use Bill Ferny because monoblue is gay, I can’t use my Orzhov theft deck because theft is gay, I can’t use Narset or Ureni because playing cards for free is gay, I can’t Hakbal because simic is gay, so basically all I play is lifegain selesnya with no interaction.
But heaven forbid I fucking want to build a Voltron Miststalker commander with hexproof, and then it’s “oh anon we can't interact with your boardstate so you’re basically playing solitaire”.
So fucking bothersome

>>96952627
>the more consistent mana base you don't need to drop 300 dollars on.
Just use proxies

>>96952644
i have a fully proxied cedh rogsi w/ jewlotus dockside and crypt btw

>>96952658
Dockside getting unbanned?!?!?

>>96952673
all three of them are 100% GCs in waiting
they are reprint equity wotc is throwing away because of a retarded RC and the cards have no reason to be banned in principle, they're not shahrazad or nadu

>>96952687
nah there needs to be way more bans than the RC had the balls to, nor will Hasbro's stone bleeding CEOs will allow.

>>96952701
>there needs to be way more bans
no thanks, i know what little it takes to rustle casual's jimmies

>>96952619
I want to make offspring tokens with general kreat

>>96952706
Casuals aren't rustled by banning problem cards.

>>96952717
>problem cards
name 10

>>96952721
Not really relevant to what I said. the casual commander players were utterly indifferent when dockside and jeweled lotus were banned.
casual players usually only cheer on bans, if anything.

>>96952725
and with the creation of the GC list casuals can now stay in their lane at b1 and b2 free from the evils of jewlotus and co. while others can play with them at b3+
>ofc casuals will refuse to acknowledge this, precisely because they're casuals and don't know any better

Im so mad guys I actually crashed out

> Game 1
Guy shows Tymna/Kraum as his deck. I reach in to my pack and pull out Grand Arbiter Augistin
> Im a 3. I dont like cEDH. What bracket is Augistin? Thats a game changer right?
> Hu...what?
> I dont like playing cEDH, my deck is a 3
So I reluctantly pull out my upgraded Zurgo precon. I play a mana rock on T2 and Zurgo on T3. He plays Ponder into Preordain into Mox Opal then Mox Amber and Brain Freeze. Next turn he plays Underworld Breach and discards his hand with LED. He shrugs. "Its a bracket 3 deck, you can check my Archidekt list".

> Game 2
He has Najeela
> Im a 3. This deck is a 3.
I am mad at this point. I decide to play my Narset deck because I need a win to take the edge off. He Entombs his Leonin Relic Warder. He attempts to resolve an animate dead onto Leonin Relic Warder. I Fierce Guardianship his Animate Dead. "Im a 3 bro, this deck is a 3. I dont like playing with game changers." I attack with Narset. I cast an Expropriate for free. I couldnt help myself. I smirked and said this used to be a game changer but its a good thing its not anymore. My deck could be a 3. Then I told him that if I EVER catch him bracketbusting at my LGS again I would put his youtube channel in my next WotC UB feedback survey.

>>96952738
I can't really tell what you're baiting at anymore, if anything you kinda backhanded B3+ players.

>>96952743
you talked about this last thread already

>>96952725
Truth. Casual players aren't gonna spend 200 dollars on a crypt, 80 on a dockside and another 75 on JewLo. They might proxy those cards but either way the bans didn't affect them. Only cEDH sweats and "investors" lost their shit about those bans.

>>96952748
you severely underestimate the 3 GC limit in b3, alongside the idea that you can't consistently kill the table before turn 6
3 GCs don't make a cedh deck

>>96952627
> I want the option to build them dual or even mono-color
It's already possible for you to do this.

Beyond that, you do not need literally *every* fetch and shock, for christ sakes.

>>96952754
>Casual players aren't gonna spend 200 dollars on a crypt, 80 on a dockside and another 75 on JewLo.
but casuals are 100% the biggest openers of very expensive (insert UB IP here) product that happens to have those cards as chase so in a roundabout way they buy them too lol

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96952774
sure they crack packs because they want the shiny foiled waifu card, but they aren't out to crack an entire playset or a mechanically busted card.
apples to oranges I'd say.

>>96952721
>>problem cards
>name 10

Vampiric Tutor
Mox Amber
Mox Opal
Gaeas Cradle
Rhystic Study
Mystic Remora
Animate Dead
Underworld Breach
Counterspell
Flubs

>>96952785
>sure they crack packs because they want the shiny foiled waifu card
yes and if they don't get their waifu what do you think they could sell so they can further fund their pack cracking?
reprint equity is a real thing that gives sets value, urborg tomb of yawgmoth isn't reprinted a lot for a reason

>>96952806
they will sale the cards off as quickly as possible, they aren't going to haggle and negotiate for top dollar.

>>96952789
>counterspell
>flubs
you're trying too hard

>>96952641
>The worst of the bunch (who spends the most money on his decks) scowled at me when I floated the idea of building this as my monoblack. “Oh, so it’s just removal tribal? Gay.”
Brother if you want removal tribal in black, this guy would be it

>>96952816
whether people sell asap for a quick buck or hold off for potentially more money is irrelevant
banning powerful cards that don't need to be banned hurts value of future sets because it fucks up reprint equity, simple as

>>96952819
>>counterspell
>>flubs
>you're trying too hard
Counterspell was a joke obviously
Flubs is broken and Im tired of pretending its not

>>96952828
Flubs isn't broken, but anybody who plays him is guaranteed to be a faggot who takes 15 minute non-deterministic turns

>>96952826
finance bros shouldn't be making decisions regarding the balance of the game.

>>96952847
the GC list will protect you from the mean ol' dockside don't worry

>>96952856
alright lemme ask you something.
Is there any card, banned or not, that should stay/be banned, in your opinion?

>>96952860
will eventually become GCs:
Biorhythm
Dockside Extortionist
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim
Griselbrand
Jeweled Lotus
Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Mana Crypt
Primeval Titan
Prophet of Kruphix
Recurring Nightmare
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Sundering Titan
Sylvan Primordial
Yawgmoth's Bargain

you can't refute this

>>96952869
I didn't ask about any of that.

>>96952874
these are banned cards that will be unbanned so anything not there will remain banned ofc

>>96952860
channel
power 9 sans timetwister
falling star + chaos orb
flash
karakas
shahrazad
time vault
trade secrets

>>96952877
I asked for your opinion on what should be banned, not what you assume will or will not be.
I assumed all those cards would be unbanned by Hasbro the moment the RC dissolved.

>>96952721
Rhystic Study
Smothering Tithe
The One Ring
Underworld Breach
Mana Drain
Fierce Guardianship
Deflecting Swat
Necropotence
Skullclamp
Winter Orb

>>96952921
>Skullclamp
delet

>>96952602
>>96952565 (OP)

It's usually more like >>96952609 said. It doesn't help that most stax EDH players can't help but act like Yugioh characters. They will either brag and boast like "Heh. None of you guys are gonna like this play. Your stuff costs more now. Hahaha" or they will try and act like they're just weak widdle ol' do-nothing cards.

My favorite was a local player at my shop who would always do the former, and would make a big point of announcing how dreadful and oppressive his plays would be, while locking the table down with no payoff. When we just decided to kill him with what we already had out so we could actually play the game, he got mad and slammed the table. The next game, he would gripe and shout and get mad if somebody targeted his stuff (he was playing Kaalia this time). To his credit, throwing a tantrum worked since it got some people to take back their removal lol.

>>96952627
> I'm tired of having to build 3+ color slop piles for every remotely interesting commander

But anon, you don't have to do that at all.

>>96952884
>I asked for your opinion on what should be banned,
ok then
>ante cards
>dexterity cards
>logistical nightmares like shahrazad
>anything P9 or prohibitively expensive RL card like library of alexandria for optics purposes
>cards that "time wasters that grind games to a halt" that can be abused, like paradox engine, iona, balance, karakas, erayo, limited resources, and upheaval, wotc hates these cards and have a bias against them
>egregious design mistakes that embarass wotc, like nadu and lutri
>if it's a blue card, it will most likely stay banned because blue doesn't need any more power (tolarian, tinker, flash, time walk, hullbreacher)
>the best and second best mana producers in the game (channel, fastbond)
>the best combo piece in the game (time vault)
>"hey i want to be kingmaker very blatantly and in your face" (trade secrets)

you also can't refute this

>>96952949
sounds like you don't trust the GC brackets to balance your games for you. Back to B1 for you.

>Retard at store bitches literally every time you interact with him at all
>Tries to build a deck that does nothing but counter yours but he's so shit at it he can't even do that right
>Then tries to build the same archetype as you but fucks that up too
>He still refuses to acknowledge that maybe his initial perception of the game was a little incorrect and instead just lives in delusional fantasyland where you're going out of your way to do nothing but oppress him
Why yes I could talk more about this guy because it seems that despite playing for a year and literally everyone at the table trying to help and support him, he still has this shitty mentality.

>>96952960
>since there's a GC everything should be banned
>primetime is totally the same as channel guys!
you lost, GG

>>96952960
>sounds like you don't trust the GC brackets to balance your games for you
Retard
Or
False flagging as opposing side to make that side look worse
Call it

>>96952969
>reprint value matters to me
>its up to me to decide where to draw the line what can be a GC
please be less obvious.

>>96952983
>still no argument why cards like recurring nightmare should remain banned btw

>>96952991
strawman or moved goalpost.
Call it.

>>96952997
B1 baby or B2 baby? Call it.

>>96952565 (OP)
>Have you ever witnessed (or had) a meltdown over stax?
I have never melted down from a game of mtg in my life, but I have witnessed and caused many.

>>96952969
Primetime is based as fuck. If Lumra is allowed to exist, no reason Primetime shouldn't get unbanned.

>>96953013
finally, a man of culture ITT

>>96953002
>b3 and above self aggrandizing sweat lord
i bet you threw a tantrum when dockside and jeweled lotus got banned.

>>96952963
Is this his first cardgame or something? How does someone end up like that?

>>96952565 (OP)
>TQ:
a few times when I first started playing due to me being a noob

nowadays it's fun to occasionally make people groan at LGS when I play my Braids deck

>>96953017
Xie also posted a victory post on Reddit when Kinnan was unbanned.

>>96953019
I would think after a year he would be used to the idea of people maybe putting some resistance to him swinging for lethal damage.
He gets fogged one time then has a meltdown about me "playing on his turn".

Where did we settle on the hybrid debate? /edhg/ is pro change right?

>>96953096
No.

>>96953096
No of course not.

I approve of it.
Middle fingers to all the haters.

>>96953096
We're with Trinket Mage and boycotting Lorwyn to protest the change.

I say ban ALL Reserved list cards for EDH so that game always stays affordable and bitch ass gate keepers can't bitch over my proxied volcanic island

I'm old school and I have no knowledge of this bracket shit. How do I know what my decks are? Because people ask what bracket and on a broad spectrum I've got no fucking idea, I make them silly or strong I don't know how else to categorise it.

>>96953139
>Silly
Bracket 2
>Silly (Fake)
Bracket 3
>Strong
Bracket 4

>>96952565 (OP)
TQ: Yes, but from the stax player themselves. Everyone was wailing on them because they were wide open and everyone was very familiar with their stax deck. They kept screeching "but why are you attacking me I'm not doing anything, it's not a stax deck, I don't even have a boardstate yet!"

>>96953016
Lumra is 5x more pushed and broken than this and Lumra is fine.

Hey bros, I'm looking for some commander recommendations for a new player. I dislike EDH and usually just play Premodern, Legacy and Cube, but am playing it for the benefit of others. Some context, please read because it's important:
My cousin's fiance (A) who is a casual player that only plays with friends at home, is coming to visit for a couple of months and would like to introduce her (S) to the game. We're going to play with a pod of myself, my mother (D) - who I have constructed a simple Zegana merfolk deck for - my cousin and her fiance. S usually likes zombie games like Dead by Daylight, Left 4 Dead, Dead Island etc, 3D RPGs like Bioshock, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, MMOs and coop or casual games. She's also a biologist and worked with insects.

I'm picking some commanders in themes related to these and intend to present them to her, along with a brief description of the deck in layman's terms, of the deck. I want to keep things fairly simple and avoid commanders - and other cards - with 10 lines of rules text, transform, unintuitive abilities etc. Would like to avoid universes beyond cards too. Any other recommendations?
Kaalia of the Vast - Cheat stuff in tribal
Braids Cabal Minion - Pox/stax
??? - Zombie tribal
??? - Insect tribal
Zedruu or something - Support/coop
Alternatively I'll just ask her to describe a fantasy trope she'd like to play as and I'll find something to fit it.

>>96953218
Sorry one more thing: Obviously we're just playing kitchen table so budget isn't a concern but are also not looking to construct cEDH decks. The intention is to have mostly bad cards with a dusting of broken haymakers.

>>96953218
Don't do Kaalia. It's inherently unfun for somebody. You're either cheating out busted stuff and running over the table (if the table sucks) or you will never ever get a chance to swing with Kaalia (any non-retarded table).

>>96953139
Roughly when does your deck win:
It doesn't: Bracket 1
turn 9+: Bracket 2
Turn 7+: Bracket 3
Turn 4+: Bracket 4
Turn 1-3: Bracket 5 (cedh)
I don't know (when my creatures can get through and kill people I guess): Bracket 2
I don't know (stax, combo, control): Bracket 3

>>96953218
>>96953220
Also, you can make a very powerful, but also very fair Zegana deck. I played her a lot and my deck was all just ramp and big green/blue fatties. You spam ramp early game, then throw down haymaker threats a couple turns early. Then you keep playing them until you need to restock on cards. At that point you play your general and draw like 7 cards lol. Then you have more threats and ramp. Super fair and pretty effective.

>>96953257
Brackets are as useful as astrology

>>96953257
I build all my bracket 2 decks around being able to kill at least one player by t6

>>96953218
Thraximundar or Grimgrin as commander for zombie tribal, if going for grixis option then grimgrin goes in the 99, red offers little for zombie tribal theme but adds a plethora of other broken combos depending how many haymakers you want to add. Or just simply add gamble, mass hysteria and underworld breach as the only red cards, but grimgrin is a casual zombie tribal all star, super fun to play, making it 2 colors helps newer players find their colors and cast their spells. I’d pick between those 2.

Anyone got any experience building/playing Ziatora or Kresh? I've noticed they share a lot of cards and both play in the 99 of the other but which one do you prefer?

>>96953019
It's what happens when EDH is the only format someone has ever played.

>>96953313
I build Ziatora as a treason/sacrifice deck. Its cruel and oppressive.

Free my nigga Erayo.

>>96952619
Gobbo supremacy

Does this actually work? Thromok devours protean hulk (and other tokens), protena hulk fetches terror of the peaks. Does terror see thromok enter?

>>96953313
I like Ziatora since she can do the whole simple and direct play a bunch of big creatures while getting in with them thing nicely and she also throws them herself for additional damage and value. I like the versatility her being able to target anything gives and the treasures she makes. Kresh is cool if you like getting constant death value focused on one big guy. Which is fun but I think a bit more fragile.

>>96953352
Keep on believing, brother

>>96952565 (OP)
>TQ
Only once, but it wasn't that bad. It was a three player pod, I was playing kami of the crescent moon stax vs a monored dragonhawk player (player A) and another player who was on some selesnya deck (Player B). I had a quicksilver fountain out and B, who had ramped a bit, kept playing lands while all A's lands were islands, so A got mad at B. I had a frozen aether out with meishin the mind cage and static orb, and when I countered B's farewell he scooped and got a little huffy, that's about it.

Next time I played the deck against him he had tunnel vision on me (while I was just drawing him extra cards at that point), and then he got blindsided by another player throwing out a lethal vapors after a boardwipe, which hosed his deck. That was pretty funny.

I kinda wanna build this girl, she seems fair enough to not be giga broken but still winnable in bracket 2 or 3. Not sure how to approach it. Adventure tribal? small creatures + small noncreatures? just ramp + creatures?

>>96953479
I'm gonna keep it a buck with you; this general sucks ass. She doesn't do anything unique, and she isn't unique enough to be interesting. Her one gimmick is too expensive and slow to be useful. She also isn't good in any strategy that is good in EDH. You might play her in a 60-card deck as the top-end of an aggressive deck, but that means nothing in EDH.

Of the three options you listed, all of them are equally viable and equally bad. If you're playing aggro, just play Surrak Dragonclaw or something, at least. The question you have to ask yourself is "What do I get from playing this general?" IDK bro, it just seems like such a boring card. I genuinely don't see the appeal. It's both boring and weak as a general

>>96952565 (OP)
so avatar is the best set of all time right?

>>96952595
actually his last words were more

>AIIIGHEEEE ARRRRGHHH AIIIIEEE

>>96952565 (OP)
>Have you ever witnessed (or had) a meltdown over stax?
Closest I ever saw was a guy who tossed out a stax piece on turn 2 (I forget which) and was promptly killed by turn 4 and then was pretty depressed with it. People killed him because they needed that shit gone and didn't have removal for it, but he had nothing on his board but a shitty stax piece

I've never seen anyone cry over stax itself. Most in my pod will run some stax effect. I run rule of law in one of my decks.

>>96953257
Thank you for reminding me why I don't use this system!
>bracket 2 is 9 turns
So I need to misplay precons? Cause they can win easily before turn 9

>>96952687
The RC decision is completely reasonable, there are two aspects of fast mana that become a problem. Density and raw mana generation. The ban addressed both eloquently, allowing for less frequent but still impactful explosive start without effectively paying to be several turns ahead.
So sorry, you actually have to play the game now.

>>96953257
I don't think that's the turn count they used in the official blog, you just made this up faggot

Almost done building this one. Does anyone have any recommendations on what to cut (or add/change)?

>>96953581
have you thought of adding some slivers maybe?

>>96953581
Add ancestral visions, it's another great suspend hit like profane tutor.
Crystal Shard is a good option for both protecting your creatures and double dipping on the cascades.
Cut sol ring and the zero mana rocks and option for a couple of land based ramp pieces instead, in the long run it makes your cascades more consistent.

>>96953581
If you cut mana drain and pulmonic sliver you can add jegantha as a companion. If you don't want to do that, I'd recommend living end. Worse now in farewell meta but it's otherwise the best way for sliver decks to rebuild.

Once a land hits the graveyard I have to choose one effect or the other right? I can't exile the land for a golem and then bring it back from Earthbend? The cards read to me as if I can but I feel like it shouldn't.

>>96952641
>Because the pod I play with despises any type of interaction with other people’s board states, aside from removing people’s commanders.
It is kind of surprising how often this happens in my friend group and the few times I play with randoms with my Captain Sisay deck. They’ll always target Sisay which is fair enough, but they’ll never target the mana dorks that allow me to get her out by turn 2 or turn 3. It gets even funnier when the whole table knows every other person has the option to remove Sisay but none of them want to be the one “wasting my turn on removal” when they could be doing their deck’s “thing”. If they did that more often I wouldn’t be winning with it as consistently against them as I do. Fortunately the people I work with all play high B4 / fringe cEDH and are usually smart enough to know when to nuke dorks when they can.

>>96953525
Generally speaking, last words refers to the last coherent words or sentence they say, not random screams or death gurgles.

>>96953134
If WotC have no intention of reprinting RL cards I could see it happening at some point in time. That being said I reckon they will ditch the RL if we see the MtG bubble burst and Hasbro needs WotC to do something to keep themselves alive.

>>96953617
>Cut sol ring and the zero mana rocks
Huh, and here I thought the 0 rocks would be good for cascade. I've got ancestral vision and lotus bloom coming for more suspend shenanigans. What ramp should I add? Stuff like Far Seek?

>>96953618
I might try Jegantha. First Sliver on their own seems to do well at rebuilding, and Teferi and Mana Drain (sorta) help protect against a farewell. It's definitely an issue though because fuck farewell.

>>96953597
Good point, I don't think I have enough.

>>96953515
>general
ok boomer
surrak dragonclaw does nothing btw
this at least draws some cards,grows to be a 2-3shot commander damage threat and blocks while being agressive

>>96953687
Yeah I think stuff like farseek would be better, although chrome mox is keepable I guess because it's good fixing. Think about it like this, if you cascade with a one mana sliver and your 0 mana cards are ancestral vision and profane tutor then you're guaranteed a great hit no matter what, lotus bloom can also be decent, but at that stage of the game cascading into chrome mox or mox amber is just plain mediocre. Likewise if you're cascading with a two mana sliver you're guaranteed either one of those zero mana cards or one of your one mana slivers, both are better options than sol ring, not like sol ring is terrible but two colorless mana at that point, especially in a deck so heavy on the colored pips, is just meh.

>>96953726
I guess the argument for the moxes is "but what if I pull them early in hand instead of a cascade" since at least chrome will get you to casting First faster. I'll probably cut amber and sol ring though and put in a farseek and/or ancestral vision.

>>96953771
It's a trade off between sometimes having faster starts and lowering the overall consistency of your cascades, I think in the long run you'll be screwed over by cascading into a mana rock you don't need more often than by not being able to ramp fast enough. Of course you can always cascade into farseek or whatever with a 3 mana sliver but you'll always have less control over your cascades the higher the mana value you go, that's just how it is.

>>96953683
Generally it is just attributed to the last thing anyone heard the person say or the last thing they wrote.

t. Read every single "last word" page on wikipedia last week

>>96953320
everyone should be forced to play things they hate before playing things they want. It makes total sense.

>>96953705
>ok boomer
Yes, I'm old. I've been playing Magic since before you were born, so maybe you should listen to my advice.

Surrak doesn't have some durdly do-thing-draw-card ability, but he is actually playable if you want some sort of creature-focused aggro deck. What Surrak does is dodges counterspells and instant-speed removal, while also protecting the rest of your board and giving trample. He requires no other inputs to be effective. Your guy requires two different types of spells to be cast to get his effect once per turn on your turn. His effect is also not particularly strong.

>this at least draws some cards,grows to be a 2-3shot commander damage threat and blocks while being agressive
It won't draw any cards unless you've played a noncreature on the same turn you play it. It also doesn't have haste or flash, and only has ward 1. So on the rare case that it actually threatens your opponents, they will just counter or kill it, since you likely won't get value for a couple turns. You're imagining a world where you play this guy, you always have the cards and mana to trigger his effect, and nobody removes him for several turns. The truth is that he is too slow to be a threat, too weak and non-impactful to get you any real value, and on the rare occasion he does do something he will be killed immediately. Surrak can flash-block and is bigger. Surrak is also more aggressive because you can swing with him as soson as you cast him, and he makes your guys uncounterable and grants trample.

Just to be clear, this isn't me gooning off about how great Surrak is. It's just that you've chosen a do-nothing general that wants to play a lot of creatures, and Surrak is just better for those strategies, while not being Animar-tier busted.

>>96953705
>>96953479
If you won't consider advice on your general, and are hard-stuck onto this dude, then I recommend running a bunch of cantrips and low-cost instants. Charms are good. Ponder. You can't even run pumps though because the ability is precombat only on your turn. This guy CLEARLY wants some sort of tempo/aggro strategy, but that won't work in a 4-player 40-life game. What is your actual vision of how you win the game?

>>96953581
Looks like its going to need a lot of work

>>96953794
Fair, I'll give it a try.

>>96953896
Explain.

>>96953479
Cute girl
Put cards in

>>96953797
>last thing anyone heard the person say
>say
Screaming isn't saying anything

>>96952565 (OP)
>sit down at a pod, we all pull out our commanders
>one of them is a player that habitually plays his proclaimed "brackets 4, almost cedh" yuna deck
>second player pulls out a hirobi deck
>yuna player keeps slamming cards down with no protection
>gets removed
>he finally removes horobi
>gets reanimated
>me and other player are playing slow while we set up non-creature engines or protection before comitting
>yuna player rages that us two aren't doing anything to progress the game
>try to explain that we don't want to play things just to have them removed immediately, and how to play against control
>he doesn't listen, draws all the removal
>scoops and calls it "unfun monoblack stax"
>we eventually have permanents to survive horobi
>game ends a few turns later with a big alpha strike

Is it poor form to concede when an opponent is durdling on their infinite loop? Whether it be playing, and sacking and replaying an exponential amount of lands or scrying their entire deck?

>>96953904
Seems very all in on the commander but without enough ramp to make it happen consistently on turn 4 with very little draw and protection

>>96953998
It's poor form to not demonstrate the loop and end the game. It's actually a rules violation for someone to waste time by running a deterministic loop multiple times for no reason. He should run it once or twice to demonstrate it, then say how many times he will execute it. If it is non-deterministic (IE: you don't know how it will end), then you have to wait it out to see if he has it. It isn't bad form to scoop in that circumstance. I'd actually argue that in casual games scrying your entire deck card-by-card is the real asshole move.

>>96954013
But I want my opponent to have to keep doing the loop because odds are he'll fuck it up if he has to manually do it 1000 times. Then I can win

>>96954026
Power to you. I always make them play it out until they can demonstrate that it works. I will say that you're crossing the line into bad sportsmanship if you try and force someone into repeating an infinite loop 1000 times. Also, they don't need to. As I mentioned earlier, they can simply demonstrate the loop one complete time, then say that they are repeating it N times, at which point it happens as stated until somebody decides to interrupt it.

>>96954026
You can't demand that, a deterministic loop can be shortcuted to an arbitrarily large number once the loop is demonstrated.

>>96953950
this but I'm being targeted with anything I play by all 3

About to take my 2nd deck to its first event tomorrow, wish me luck bros!
https://moxfield.com/decks/Uw9H7PYqjkaCPIkZNxmNSQ
Getting an Exploration off someone tomorrow too, what could i take out for it?

>>96954003
First Sliver's gimmick balling out of control the moment it hits the board. Protection is nice, but generally First can just instantly rebuild if removal is used. Mana Drain, Deflecting Swat, and Teferi help protect a bit too. You also generally want as many Slivers as possible and as few other things as possible, since you don't want to pull junk or rocks during your cascades.

>>96954166
I always feel that the greenwarden is overkill.

I've been looking for a deck where I win with non-combat damage. Not Infinite damage but in big chunks like 8+ I was using this guy with etb burns but its kinda janky. Any recommends?

>>96954220
Maybe but isn't it good to have a lot of redundancy for land recursion effects for this deck in particular?

>>96954228
Valgavoth group slug? Put in stuff like Solphim, Bloodletter of Aclazotz and Terror of the Peaks and go crazy.

>>96952963
I'm gonna assume you're the asshole in the wrong here

>>96953562
>The RC decision is completely reasonable
they were a stagnant organization for the longest time

>>96954228
Terror of the Peaks + Devastating Onslaught/that guy who makes 5 tokens from MoM is probably the funniest way to do it in mono red while still keeping two game pieces that are worthwhile outside the combo. If you switch into a commander with blue that really opens up more options for the combo too

>>96954245
Bloodletter only works during your turn which is not how Valvagoth Works

>>96954166
>citadel
you really couldn't let that go huh? lol
kindly tell us how your B3 event went afterwards

Why they print Kefka on an ultimatum he cant use

I had my entire table crash out over this card. am I right?

1. This can block unblockable creatures
2. This does not 'declare blockers', it's entered blocking like 'tapped and attacking' triggers

A token created by Mirror Match will be blocking the creature it’s copying even if that creature can’t be blocked or has an ability that would stop the token creature from blocking it (such as menace or protection). This is also true even if the token creature has an ability that would stop it from being declared as a blocker.
(2015-11-04)

>>96954373
because it's actually emperor gestahl's card but since real life money is a thing kefka has to take the spotlight

>>96954279
which clearly was for the best

>>96952673
People are still coping about it, yeah. Allow them to. It just makes it funny as time goes on

>>96954417
the RC is no more which is for the best correct

>>96954458
RC setup the most popular format in magics history, while wizards has destroyed all other formats and are already planning rule changes to accommodate new sets

>>96954423
look at the people actually coping lmao
>>96954471

>>96954478
feel free to contradict me with any kind of evidence

>>96953638
Earthbend triggers on die or exile.
So it would trigger when it hit the graveyard, same time as Brenard trigger. You get to decide the order of triggers, so you would EITHER get a land token or the land back.

>>96954471
>trust us everyone, Gavin is a real cool guy and he's your pal and we wouldn't think of doing something as overtly obvious as changing the rules to sell more packs
>by the way Vehicles can be comanders now, buy our new vehicle commander precon
That waited like half a year to abuse their power.

>>96954485
the dissolution of the RC is all the proof one needs of its irrelevance
>if it was any good it wouldn't be gone, duh

>>96954478
I don't see what that has to do with my post

>>96954490
>they made vehicles commanders to sell packs!
Well that didn't work since the best possible vehicle commanders were a precon cards from 2 to 3 years ago.

>>96954279
By design and for good reason
You do not need to adjust the ban list for a kitchen table format like you do for a competitive one
Sheldon't was a dumbass but this hands off approach is easily one of the biggest reasons I fell in love with the format in 2012

>>96954515
Also I'm well aware it wasnt just him but he was a vocal proponent of the laissez faire approach

>>96952820
Can confirm Kraven is fun as fuck and snowballs super hard if your table is removal-averse. The fact he's so cheap is great. I run cowboy-kaervak and Toshi to double up on cheap removal.

>>96953139
Just ignore them or say 2-3.

>>96954495
It was 'dissolved' because they banned overpowered cards in the format, which were money maker reprints and wizards started a social scandal, probably had pinkerton IT in india organize threats to force the RC to fuck off and take over.

>>96953379
No

>>96953139
>hmmm will I simply google and look at the brackets?
>will I ask an AI which can source the articles
>or will I ask on 4chan

>>96954515
>You do not need to adjust the ban list for a kitchen table format like you do for a competitive one
no one's taking away your rule zero, timmy
what do you think 60 card kitchen table people are doing, following standard and modern to the letter? kekw how naive are you

>>96953139
You can't know. Because brackets are not well defined and anyone can argue your deck isn't the bracket you say it is. No one really agrees on what constitutes a bracket even with guidelines.

This thread has people who think bracket 3 should be what I consider bracket 1. Brackets are worthless and primarily just used by faggots to try and angle shoot and claim actually they won because "UR DECK WUZNT BRACKET 2. Y?! CUZ I LOST"

>>96954409
Yes, in the same way you can use something like trap runner to block an unblocked creature.
However, anything with trample can still roll over the damage, and if it has protection it won't take any damage.
As to your second point it would trigger any blocking-related effects(like bushido or rampage or some equipment whatever), but would still block the creature

>>96953139
Bracket 1 = Not even trying to play. Game likely to stop because someone saw a cool bug on the wall at the LGS

Bracket 2 = Precon strong. This is where people have an issue because they think bracket 2 is bracket 1. Many precons are quite strong and will not take until turn 10 to fucking win. This is not "hehe I can run all my chair cards" bracket. I will rape you with a decent precon if you do.

Bracket 3=Shitters think this is cEDH. It is just bracket 2 but everyone has 3 cards that are staples

Bracket 4= Actual EDH prior to October 2024. This is the old format

Bracket 5=CEDH

>>96954573
>t was 'dissolved' because they banned overpowered cards in the format, which were money maker reprints
that's part of the reason yes, which is why it's funny to me we still have fools that think dockside and others will be banned forever like this guy
>>96954505
but really another reason is that the RC never innovated beyond being an armchair banhammer committee and their inability to create formats for EDH (which is what brackets really are in practice) sealed their fate

>>96954606

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025
>NOOOO ITS POORLY DEFINED
>LET ME JUST COMBO OUT TURN THREE PLEASE ITS BRACKET TWO

Uh oh bracket sperg having a melty.

>>96954606
>every rando i play with is an angleshooter
continue to remain in your basement forever angleschizo

>>96954648
I just play with non-bracket users. You know 90% of players

I'll admit I had a bit of a meltdown when the guy with a 100% win rate """bracket 3""" deck complained that my deck was too strong for bracket 3 after I was taken out early into a game and he won yet again with next to no effort.

>>96954653
>i have 90% of players to play with
>somehow i'm still bothered by how the remaining 10% of people play
oh please angleschizo you're not fooling anyone

>>96954681
Why are you so offended?

>>96954670
This didn't happen. No one every tries to say their opponents deck wasn't the right bracket. My 70000 word essay here proves it. And we absolutely DID NOT have a person one thread ago seething about how his opponent had "cheated" and played an incorrrect bracket deck

reason? Opponent won.

>>96953479
Slop commander to end all slop commanders. The most generic commander printed in the past several years. You won't be any more unique than the other five guys running her at the average lgs

>>96954685
i'm not the one delusional enough to see angleshooters everywhere though

>>96954695
Wait my bad, I thought it was the other Eshki.

My problem with the brackets is that they are defined by game changers. You can make a deck that doesn't have any, and it will still wreck shit. Oppressive bullshit like a Zhulodok deck can be B2 with all the Titans because no GC lmao.

>>96954628
good take and it's sad how it's so obvious yet too many timmies fail to see it

>>96954584
Is the reason because triggers can't be put on the stack while a spell is not done resolving? Trying to understand it better. I guess I can fetch this instead as an alternative, although thromok does die as a result.

>>96954631
The RC was actually working on that.

>>96954719
>my against the odds standard deck loses to vivi standard!!
>i sleep
>my b2 mill deck loses to b2 zhulodok!!
>real shit
fucking casuals i swear

>>96954369
Yes sorry i like it lol plus it's cheap, maybe I'll buy some of the better GCs next month and see if I'll replace it

>>96954628
So basically what you're telling me is:
>1 = what the fuck are you doing shit pile
>2 = precon
>3 = precon, but you unfucked some of the intentionally awful cards they put in every precon to gimp the deck
>4 = precon, but it's fully optimized OR a competently built deck you made from the ground up
>5 = Thoracle

>>96954736
Pretty much

>>96954724
Thromok's ability triggers as it enters, sacrificing protean hulk. Devour is not an additional cost, it's an ETB.
Thromok has to be on the field to sacrifice Protean hulk, so it must be on the field before terror can be searched for and put on to the battlefield.

>>96954736
more like
>1 = chaos
>2 = superfriends
>3 = ramp
>4 = combo from the cz
>5 = blue farm

>>96954736
3 is already for custom built decks and it's what the vast majority of tables play, 4 is a tryhard splurgefag bracket that you won't find many people playing in most stores.

>>96954760
>BROS 4 GAME CHANGERS IS INSANELY DIFFERENT FROM 3
Not really

>1
Doesn't exist.
>2
Precons.
>3
Literally everyone.
>4
Doesn't exist.
>5
cEDH

>>96954743
I'm sorry, I mispoke. Devour is a static ability not an etb, Replacement effects cannot be responded to. It still triggers as it enters so it wouldn't trigger terror for the same reason I described.

>>96954766
I've never seen anyone play anything besides 2 or 4.

>>96954765
Yeah except bracket 4 isn't "4 game changers", it's for heavily optimized decks worth minimum $1000, with access to every combo and degenerate stratagem in the game.
If you sit down at a bracket 4 table with a typical bracket 3 deck that just happens to have a few more game changers, you will usually get utterly raped.

>>96954789
Nope, sorry man. 4 instead of 3 is bracket 4. You are adding criteria that isn't necessary

Game changers and the delineation of brackets drive me up the fucking wall because WotC gets to choose what is and isn't acceptable.
>play a weak 2 color deck with a budget mana base
>hey, with how few nonbasics I run I could take advantage of back to basics/winter moon
>ACTUALLY sweaty that makes your deck bracket 4 and it must now go against obscene combos that can end the game at any time

>ok my deck runs aura shards I guess it's bracket 3
>my deck runs The One Ring, Demonic Tutor and Fierce Guardianship so they're exactly the same :)

Deranged system.

>>96954795
I didn't say otherwise, i said you won't have any fun playing at the average bracket 4 table like that because it scales much higher than that.

>>96954769
Ok, good to know. Guess I'll go with the manticore line then.

>>96954634
I posted the rules here you fucking mongloids.

Brackets are basically speed limits. Bracket 4 is realistic no limits, those that cannot contain their bitchforce and print proxies for for the most powerful card in every slot are pulled into cEDH containment zone.

>>96954801
One of my decks is considered bracket 4 simply because I have a Winter Moon in it and another is considered bracket 3 because it has Crop Rotation without those cards they'd both be considered bracket 2

>>96954801
There's not really a better way to do it without writing down hundreds of pages of rules and rulings for edge cases.
It's a casual format that inherently relies in self-regulation, brackets are just communication tools for quickly organizing games with people you don't know, you can always ask your playgroup if they're fine with any rule zero changes.

>>96954834
>you can always ask your playgroup
This is the solution for almost every single issue in Commander and /tg/ hates hearing it.

>>96954834
The problem is that WotC decided to Jewishly co-opted the acronym "MLD," turning it from "Mass Land Destruction" to "Mass Land Denial." It's effortless to say something like: "Mass Land DESTRUCTION isn't welcome in casual games" (not that I agree) but it's kikery of the highest order to say, "Blood Moon effects have no place in casual" (never mind that if you are playing mono red in casual commander you're already at a severe disadvantage)

>>96954801
>WotC gets to choose what is and isn't acceptable.
yes because they own the game
what, are we supposed to listen to (You)? lol

>>96954838
That's because it's stupid as fuck. "Mother May I" has always been the worst possible way to run the format.

>>96954845
I just run the cards and if someone's eyes bulge out of their head all the better

My LGS handles decks far better than brackets.
>GC list doesn't instantly define deck
>"bracket" is based on how fast your deck can hit its wincon and luck to hit said wincon
>wincon is fast and consistent due to tutors/etc? Powerful deck
>wincon is "I'll hit them with the big monster" and no tutors/etc? Weak deck

>>96954830
>can't let go of winter moon and crop rot
i think that speaks more to your inability to let go of those staples more than anything else
>why is croprot banned
good question especially when entomb and mana drain run around free

>>96954856
>staples
>Winter Moon
>Crop Rotation
lol

>>96954839
Nah that's totally fine, blood moon should never have been printed.
It staxes harder than almost anything else and most casual decks will have little to no answers to it, just accept that either your faggy pubstomping tool isn't permitted in matches that are casual and for fun, or just stop being a bitch and ask people if they're fine with playing against it anyway.

>>96954856
I can let them go just fine but I'm just confused how winter moon makes a deck go from 2 straight to 4 on the bracket list

>>96954864
>melty over blood moon
LOL

What bracket do you think I should call this deck?

>>96954870
I accept your concession!

>>96954860
well clearly (You) can't let them go!

>>96954845
If you're not playing with your friends(LGS randos)
Bring more than one deck and try to power-match.

>>96954855
>GC list doesn't instantly define deck
oh that mindset will change very very soon

>>96954855
turns to win was and still is the superior way to tune power level to eachother.

bracket chads how do I convince my opponent their deck that won on turn 8 is actually bracket 5?

>>96954873
>wandering archaic
You are my nigga. I love that dude so much.

>>96954902
>tfw I run every titan except Aeons since it's banned
RELEASE MY GIRL I WANT TO PUT HER IN MY ELDRAZI DECK

All this bracket talk got me thinking, so I finally checked the full list of GC cards. When I played my goblins a while back, >I was told it was bracket 2.5
>It had no GCs
>Besides Blood Moon, all were cards from the bulk boxes
So the tranny just fucking lied to me, huh.

>it's an /edhg/ is a bunch of autistic spergs who need every single card defined on where and how you can play it in brackets episode
You anons need to get over the fact that you're all a bunch of bracket 4+ fags pretending that you fit in anything lower. The only way you'd be happy is if WOTC made a list of 100[0]s of cards that are permitted in which brackets because you're all literally autistic and need these things spelled out for you or else you try and bend words and definitions rather than recognize intent.
But then when they do you'll bitch that why isn't X allowed in Y and that there's too many cards to find despite the fact that you can't self regulate as proven by the bitching currently.

>>96954923
This didn't happen.

Some rager accused me of lying about my bracket because I'm running Fierce Guardianship and Mana Drain and that my deck is "signpost bracket 4" because "it costs too much money to be bracket 3."

I'm always flabbergasted when people have such confident opinions on Magic irl backed by nothing, and I have to suppress my power level.

I feel like if you asked 90% of players they would have no idea how many turns their deck needs to win, especially since it can vary massively depending on what your opponents run and do (unless you play 5 or high 4, then it's more crystalized).

>>96954928
Or just stop being gay and make it 3 tiers.
>precon with no changes
>competently built decks (or precons that are unfucked)
>thoracle

>>96954937
also didn't happen. There is no such thing as bracket angle shooting or people trying to kick decks out of bracket solely because they lost. This does not happen. You are a liar.

>>96954937
>it costs too much money
Stop wasting money and buy bootlegs from CHYNA.

>>96954944
Have you just never been to an LGS in your life or what?

>>96954949
Yes but anon told me his FAQ from Gavin proves me wrong and noi one actually does this shit.

>>96954955
You can get some genuinely deranged bracket conversations at the right store. My friend was in a pod with a guy several months ago who had a printed out laminated bracket sheet explaining its ins and outs to the table before playing.

>>96954949
>declare kozilek as attacking
>annihilator triggers
>try to aetherspout it
>opponent says annihilator triggers anyway
>no takebacks scrub
>AAAAA ANGLESHOOTING

>>96954961
Nooo brackets are very clear and no one argues about it or tries to rule shark wins from people using it!

Uh oh... is this an omen?

>>96954979
No. Brawl is generally a 1v1 format on Arena. Those things shit up the game 1v1.

>>96954979
No.

>>96954937
>it costs too much money
Immediately discard opinions from these people if they ever make that a point.
>Dude your board state is worth $1000, that must mean you're ahead.
Statement made by the deranged.

>>96954987
Didn't this general just argue yesterday that using duals makes your deck high bracket due to their cost?

Uhmm sweaty ;)) there's nothing wrong with using my $3000 deck in a casual match, i technically obeyed the rules haha ah no why don't you wanna play with me anymore?

>>96954979
>banned in 4 formats already
yep mana drain will be 100% be a GC

>>96954947
I already owned the expensive cards in that deck. The majority of it is also just bad mana-intensive counterspells that are worth $1-2, so I have no idea what he was bitching about.

>>96954987
Yeah. My friend plays the most rancid dogshit decks. Back when Mana Crypt was legal he used one to play a turn 2 Hill Giant and someone lost his mind and called him a pubstomper for playing Crypt and Volcanic Island.

The deck was temur giants without any tribal support. People conflate budget with power level for some reason, not realizing you could just slap together a Magda deck for $50 and pubstomp most casual games.

>>96955001
It should be banned honestly, easily one of the worst designed cards they've ever printed.

>>96955000
NOOOOOO THAT 1000 DOLLAR SIGNED ALPHA MOUNTAIN IS TOO OP

Is Iron Maiden okay to run with a group hug Phelddagrif deck? Anyone run one in a similar deck?

>>96955007
>banning Mana Drain before The One Ring
>before Rhystic Study
rofl

>>96955011
I mean are you trying to deal damage through hand size? I run it in 2nd Doctor/Vislor.

>>96954996
no the general argued last thread that shamelessly using proxies of true duals makes you even more of a disgusting poorfag, ewww

>>96954937
mana drain is overpowered, it's just how it is. You'd have to be a huge retard bitch not to see the sheer difference in power between counterspell(very powerful) to mana drain (counterspell that ramps). The only reason people don't run it like sol ring is that it's cost prohibitive. then you are running the one of the better free counterspells which is also expensive.

>oh dude my commander is malek he's not that bad :)
>runs high mana cost counterspells for UU
>hehe :)


Your deck seems to be designed to just stop other people from playing and ramping yourself up, so naturally counterspell tribal pisses people off when they don't realize your commander is kill on sight, then you have free counters.

Bible Tribal when?

>>96955017
That is objectively true. I will never own any ABUR duals, and I will never run them. I also don't need them to build a good 5c manabase

>>96955023
Might as well. We do plenty of other fictional IPs

>>96955016

how long does it usually stay out?

>>96955014
I'm okay with banning rhystic but TRO is fine as a GC.

>>96955019
Everything in this deck fits within the confines of bracket 3. It'd get eaten alive in bracket 4, are you dumb?

The free counterspells are the game changers I chose BECAUSE Melek is kill on sight, and you should have protection for your commander.

>>96955023
Poison counters aren't on permanents they're on players

>>96955028
Generally it either gets removed in a couple turns or at least one mother fucker is dying. It is a high value target for sure. Though I suppose that depends if you plop this early or wait until it actually makes an impact.

>>96955019
>oh dude my commander is malek he's not that bad :)
>runs high mana cost counterspells for UU
>hehe :)
do you get upset when commander decks have a strategy???

>>96954513
that means they will try harder with the next change

>>96955019
And yet it is still bracket 3.

>>96955051
I think the actual reason is because they wanted to make spaceships commanders and the rules they used to validate it only worked if thewy included vehicles.
But I am sure your "THEY TRIED SO HARD BUT FAILED" theory is just as valid.

>>96955036
your deck is indeed b3
doesn't change the fact that mana drain should be a GC though

>>96955065
If Deflecting Swat isn't a game changer, Mana Drain isn't a game changer.

>>96955041
So, you are telling me your players are non-permanents?

>>96955071
i get you but red also needs a boost in casual commander and this is their bandaid fix

>>96955019
There are plenty of decks where you don't run mana drain anon. It isnt even a consideration in CEDH

>>96955074
Players are not permanents they're players in regards to the game rules

>>96955036
I don't really care. Your deck runs 10+ counterspells, it's just going to piss people off. Your playstyle is 'I want to cast something discounted every turn, and it's probably going to be a counterspell' so naturally when you force of will someone, then mana drain, the table will be agitated.

>>96955092
That's not why they did it. WotC is just full of fucking retards who want to sell you packs. Red may need a boost, sure. But you can run Deflecting Swat in Izzet. Temur. 5C slop.

>>96955093
because cEDH is cancer and requires everything have 0 mana cost and requires your next turn.

>>96955071
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO A FREE REDIRECT!? THATS ON PAR WITH MANA DRAIN

>>96955099
Most people don't give a shit actually. It was just one rager who didn't know what he was talking about. This deck loses to
>play threat
>get threat countered
>now that you've used your discount for the turn, I'll doom blade your commander

>>96955108
Deflecting Swat is better than Mana Drain in commander. Better than Force of Will too (WotC doesn't think it is for some reason) and if you don't agree you're legitimately terrible at Magic.

>>96955103
>WotC is just full of fucking retards who want to sell you packs.
true but it helps that they don't have strictly superior counterspell running around stealing the thunder from their 99th spin of counterspell

I don't play with bracket children.

>>96955122
I didn't give a shit about your opinion before, deflecting swat only hits single target abilities/spell and requires a commander, force of will hits all spells. dipshit brain

>>96955144
I only play brackets with children

>>96955165
t.

>>96955150
>0-mana redirect when it matters most (protecting your commander, along with the added benefit of uniquely redirecting abilities or spells with multiple targets)
>counterspell that requires card disadvantage and another blue card, diluting its value the more colors you add to your deck
Deflecting Swat is the far better card. It should go in every splash-red deck in existence save ones that don't want their commanders out often, which is a tiny minority.

>>96954178
If it works then cool, to me it looks like it doesnt.

>>96955150
rog is one of the most powerful creatures in cedh because it lets you play swat

>>96955170
>>96955189
>swat goes in EVERY deck
>like force of will
>even in cedh!
>im gonna play bracket 3
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS GUY IS SAYING I NEED THREE MORE CIRCUMCISIONS BECAUSE I FOWD HIS COMMANDER AND THEN I COUNTERED EVERYTHING HE DID ALL GAME, WHY IS HE SO MAD?

>>96955027
*tips fedora* Well played, my good sir!

>>96954178
I dont see how any of that addresses the ramp problem and you are basically pulling a slot machine and not even beating curve like 40% of the time

>>96955211
Grandpa that meme is older than Innistrad. Time for bed.

>>96955169
These are more man children than actual children

>>96952565 (OP)
>trapped in the braids
giwtwm

>wanted to build vivi because he's my favorite character but I knew is never get to play him if I did
>friends told me to just build him anyways regardless of power
>Tried to make a lower power budget version just to play him
>Its still too much for them even though there playing combo eldrazi, nekusar and jodah
>Take vivi apart and build kuja
>Its also too strong for them
I guess I've learned no one at my table knows how to deal with spellslinger decks

>>96955213
>you are basically pulling a slot machine
That's First Sliver in a nutshell, assuming you're not using it for cedh memes. You can't really beat the curve with First Sliver because doing so would require a bunch of mana rocks, which in turn would absolutely fuck up your cascades later on. It basically becomes a question of "would you like to cast First on turn 4 but risk getting fucked by mana rocks in your cascades," OR "First comes out turn 5 but you have basically guaranteed cascades without a rock fucking them up".

>>96955175
I'm totally open to suggestions, so just throw them my way if you have them. I love experimenting and tinkering with my decks.

>>96954929
Unfortunately it did. What would make you think I'd lie? Pic rel was the deck.

>>96954979
I hope so.

>>96954979
When IS the next B&R announcement? I thought it was today

>>96955209
Timmy really getting mad someone with more brain cells than him stopped Atraxa from resolving.

>>96955317
Anon would have a melty vs a real control deck

>>96955300
It was today but nothing for commander

>>96955300
Commander isn't getting any changes until next year, and WotC has signaled they will only be doing UNBANS.
Load up on your Jew Lotuses

>>96955369
>costs this much despite being banned in 100% of formats
Daaamnn risky investment.

>>96954944
>There is no such thing as bracket angle shooting or people trying to kick decks out of bracket solely because they lost. This does not happen. You are a liar.
Anon somebody once tried to get me kicked out of an LGS because I played Neheb on turn 6, it went a full rotation around the table, and I proceeded to win because nobody interacted with me.
I was accused of being a CEDH player and they tried to get me kicked out.
My deck runs fucking Cryptolith Fragment and Humble Defector.
People absolutely angleshoot.

>>96955325
>>96955317
>oh yeah? Not having fun being countered? How about I run an even more powerful control deck
>heh, this is a Bracket 3 form control deck, it's at the apex of what could legally be defined as 3, now draw your deck weakling
>all those spells I countered? fool. I can now counter them even more than before
>my sensei taught me to never forgive those who dare draw a hand in my presence
>heh.. nice atraxa. I dont care if that card is actually something else, as far as I'm concerned, all commanders are atraxa
>everyone is out to win at any cost, it's a four person kitchen table format like super smash brothers, and everything is on the line, it's why I'm trying so hard to counter everything you do, nothing personnel

>>96955357
Ah. In other news: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>96955398
holy fucking lol

>>96955390
jewlotus is legal in legacy and vintage
it just doesn't do anything there

>Historic
>Dark Depths is pre-banned
?????????? isn't this seen as a giant timmy trap?? Legit don't understand this. Is it just another case of "generating infinite mana breaks the card, so we ban it instead of banning infinite combos"??

>>96955406
>entomb banned
also 100% becoming a gc

>>96954873
bumpin

>>96954909
I cast tempt with mayhem on creative technique after casting tempt with reflections targeting wandering archaic, game crashed

>>96955398
>JUST LET ME WIN!

>>96955268
>What would make you think I'd lie?
Brackets are very well defined and no one ever tries to angleshoot them

>>96955391
>playing my suspend deck
>suspend worldfire
>no one takes issue
>3 turns pass
>cast worldfire
>no response
>inform everyone to exile everything
>one player suddenly realizes what worldfire is and screams this is MLD and not bracket 2 and I have forefitted
>We never mentioned brackets when the game started
>it was turn 9
>there were 3 turns with worldfire telegraphed
>again we were never using brackets anyway

Bracket users are strange people

>>96955406
standard will always be unplayable as long as they feel this autistic need to stick to schedules. Why wait so long to ban him? Why not Ban him the fucking minute after he caused a tournament that was all Vivi?
No law requires these faggots to let terrible metas fester until a specific date arrives. Just ban shit the second it becomes a problem.

>>96955268
>i can't get rid of blood moon!
just run blood sun already you staple-grubbing sweat

>>96955268
Bloodmoon technically makes your deck bracket 4
Yes, it is retarded.

>>96955549
>angleshoot
Only now I'm understanding what that term even means.

>>96955596
Nooooo i need my pubstomping staples against noobs with precons!!!

>>96955597
angleshoot
ruleshark
rules lawyering

It's all the same thing. Someone trying to get some win or massive beneficial situation by trying to game the rules either with or without permission of others.

>>96955583
It's been too long and I'm too old to remember specifics, but many times in the past some cards became major issues and everyone started screaming "ban now!", then the community figured out how to beat then, and then said card's decks became way less popular. Happened quite a few times, actually. So Wizards is much more hesitant to do emergency/kneejerk-reaction bans, and decides to wait a lot longer than in the past to see if shit sorts itself out

>>96955600
>Precons are SOOOOO BAD
No idea why you guys do this. I've seen that dino precon curbstomp bracket 3's easily.

>>96955603
>>96954965

>>96955605
Yeah and back in the day they never banned shit in standard and it was a seismic thing for it to happen. Now it's every few months.

>>96955611
I mean I'd argue that's because the average EDH player is fucking terrible at the game so despite having Rhystic Study and TOR, they shit the bed and lose to a deck that's cohesive.
Half my b3/b4 games are decided by Spell Piercing t3 TOR and finding out they have no other draw sources in their whole deck, making them worse than a precon at handling disruption.

>>96955633
It's actually because adding crop rotation, cyclonic rift, and some other random GC won't save you if that's all you did to go from bracket 2 to 3.

>>96955639
It's the same deal.
>Deck is shit
>Throw random haymakers in it without improving the other 96 cards
>Now deck dies to one point of interaction

>>96955633
>that pic
You motherfucker you made me check if it's real

>>96955654
A have a friend who still thinks it's real.

>>96955633
>Half my b3/b4 games are decided by Spell Piercing t3 TOR and finding out they have no other draw sources in their whole deck, making them worse than a precon at handling disruption.
This but removal holy shit.
>Opponent goes all in on a commander that can singlehandedly win (Krenko, Miirym, etc.)
>Lolcounter/Lolremoval
>GEE THANKS ANON GUESS I JUST WONT PLAY THE GAME NOW HUH.
>They seethe even harder when I say that's not my problem

>>96955584
I've no idea what that is. As I said I literally built that entire deck from cards I found in bulk boxes, and grabbed the blood moon because I figured I should have one (1) card that could swing the game my way. It's not like I'm against it being a game changer, but it's not according to the official list and I was told I'm bracket 2.5 despite that.
>>96955596
Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.

>>96955667
this but Mindskinner
>no counterspells
>no bounce to bring it back to his hand
>no boots/greaves/fucking ANYTHING
>no FUCKING COUNTERSPELLS in a MONOBLUE DECK
>gets mad when we kill his Kill on Sight commander
It's all so tiring.

>>96955667
>tfw you're running Zhulodok Eldrazi Tribal
>tfw your only real draw is TOR and Endstone
Sure there's a couple of little guys like matter reshaper and solemn simulacrum, but it's tough for colorless.

>>96955675
>Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.
Because retards think Blood Moon is MLD, and MLD is not allowed outside of brackets 4-5, so even if you have the most trash pile of casual bracket 1 badstuff cards, including it auto-makes your deck into bracket 4 at the minimum by definition of the rules

>>96955675
>Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.
MLD=Mass land DENIAL

If you turn their non-basics into mountains then you DENIED them their mana. So it counts.

Again I do not agree with this but it is effectively how it works. MLD is no longer destruction. Any effect that can deny land mana counts.

>>96955689
https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Adraw+id%3D0&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrec&dir=
You're welcome

>>96955695
>Because retards think Blood Moon is MLD
Retards like Gavin Vehrey and Rachel Weeks.

>>96955701
MLD has been Mass Land Destruction for 30 years. Wizards is just using Jewish context to change things.

>>96955023
Hmmm, can we get "turning water into wine" Jesus first? Or what about that Jesus that just kicks the crap out of those people selling stuff in god's temple?

Ressurected Jesus is cool and all, but I want a more active Messiah card as a commander.

>>96955708
Yes, that's what I said.

>>96955714
Yes but unfortunately said jews control the rules and invented the brackets. Use jew rules and expect jew things

>>96955074
>mfw I cast Assassin's Trophy on my opponent

>>96955706
Just quickly browsing, I have a shitton of that, but I wouldn't consider stuff like mind stone or hredon archive as draw. At least when I think of draw, filthy blue player levels of draw comes to mind.

>>96955675
>Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.
gavin hates things that consistently mess with 4+ lands for each player and blood moon is one of them

>>96955738
>"Color" that is every other color's cumsock isn't as good at drawing cards as the best draw color

>>96955755
Also Gavin: "Oh boy time to print this in a land reanimation precon to create flashy tempo swings!"

>>96955755
Gavin also makes up rules to benefit cards he designed. See: Master, Multiplied

>>96955708
Are you implying Gavin Verhey and Rachel Weeks aren't idiots?

>>96955772
>doesn't consistently kill 4+ lands for each player
that's MLD design moving forward btw

>>96955760
Yes, exactly.

Post EDH memes

>>96955959
Drastically inferior version. Pic rel is objectively better

>>96954627
Wrong, enters blocking does not trigger ‘when this creature is blocked’

>>96955959
>>96956059
What is the meme/joke here?

You should be allowed one early game 2 card infinite in B3.
Without many GCs you can't actually cheese them out reliably anyway, i think it would make things more fun if sometimes randomly one of you blew everyone up. Like getting a Smash Ball or something.

>>96956132
No

>>96956136
Yes. Casual format where sol ring is legal, stupid stuff happening randomly is the point.

>>96956111
Nigga run some fucking cards that can't be countered.

>>96955398
I'm gonna keep playing control in commander and you'll keep dealing with it and just whine on 4chan about it.
Shrimple as.

>>96956132
B3 should have no infinites

>>96956132
Then don't run those and don't let people run them in your bracket 3 games? Pretty easy issue to deal with.

>>96956174
Bracket 3 should be bracket 1 cause I am bad but also don't want to admit it

>>96956176
You misread, i'm saying they should allow one early infinite per B3 deck.
Currently B3 allows zero early game two cards infinites.

Brackets shouldn't exist

Going off these archetypes, which commander would you want to build?

>>96953859
Brother, I think you are building Surrak up to be something its not.
Do thing draw card commander may trigger you, but its fine. Its not like Surrak is going to be eat better

>>96956194
brackets have been a net positive to the games i've played, way better than "7 lmao"

>>96956219
I'm not sure what the difference is when you have to argue what constitutes a 3 because no one agrees.
Ypu're gonna claim this doesn't happen even though it is happening in this thread, and the thread before, and the thread before that.

>>96956194
True, they should just ban the entire reserved list, force a 3 GC limit like in bracket 3, ban MLD, ban most counterspells and let people do whatever from there.

>>96955572
are there any other cards that drop everybody to 1 life in grixis?

>>96954760
> 4 doesnt exist
Wrong

>>96956229
Honestly this would be based yeah

>>96956229
Actually they should just revert things back to pre-brackets and then start a new format for all these faggoty rule changes no one asked for. It's kind of like how we didn't just ban all rares and uncommons from legacy to create pauper. We just made a format for that.

I do not consider bracket EDH to be the format I played a year ago before this shit.

>>96954838
>This is the solution for almost every single issue in Commander and /tg/ hates hearing it.
Because when you play against problem players, this advice does nothing

>>96956227
Who cares about the thread, since brackets there have been way less decks that stomped the table at the LGS's

>>96954838
90% of this thread has no consistent playgroup. Honestly probably higher.

>>96956194
>Brackets shouldn't exist
Completely agree.
I was actually starting to think brackets are 'ok' but its clear that 'Im a 3' is the new 'Im a 7' and its easier for pubstompers to lie about their decks power level

>>96956167
>>96956155
>run into a bluigger that runs counterspells nonstop
>NOOOOO NONSTOP ONE WINCON COUNTERS ARE TOTALLY HEALTHY FOR THE FORMAT
>I JUST NEED TO STOP EVERYONE FROM DOING ANYTHING
>t. Augustine commander

also, I have a dedicated ruric thar ''ate bluiggers' deck that runs boil, and as much anti-blue and anti-spells as possible, it can't do much against creature decks, but you'll lose against it no matter what. I haven't seen you cucks cry about it, so you aren't in my lgs

>>96956174
>B3 should have no infinites
Completely factual and obvious

What’s the goal? Save his exile ability for last, and then put him back in the command zone before he goes to the opponent’s side?

>>96956296
Nothing wrong with 3 card infinites or late game 2 card infinites

>>96956287
>AIEEE I CAN'T ANSWER BLUE!!!

I hope it becomes cheaper now, i want one

>>96956307
Actually there is.

>>96956306
Clearly not intended as a commander.

>>96956317
Why?

>>96956313
Can you not read? I have a gruul deck that runs nothing but anti-blue tech

>>96956314
should be a bracket 4 card

>>96956335
I counter you ogre

>>96956307
Idk man we have brackets, why cant one be devoted to boomer edh/battlecruser

>>96956322
Infinite combos should not exist. They are not fun or interesting. You look them up online. They are far superior wincons to anything else because of how efficient they are. There is no fair way to judge how fast/slow a combo is. If you run moxs you can crank out Exquisite Blood on like T3 and there is no good way to enforce the speed. Inf combo decks are fundamentally cEDH minded and they should stay there (or maybe in B4, but I think even that is pushing it)

>>96956372
this but turn sideways decks. They are boring and this is afact because I find them boring. The game should be designed specifically for my tastes because I am the MC of life.

>>96956335
Based
I used to run a deck like that in cedh

Playing today in buttfuck nowhere wisconsin
Bets on the meta?

>>96956397
Nothing. 1 player isn't a meta.

>>96956372
Exquisite Blood combos are generally classified as early game and easy to pull off so they're bracket 4, assembling a 3 card combo or one with slower pieces is much harder and slower and there's no reason it shouldn't be allowed in 3 (which it isn't)

>>96956399
Oh no! Dubs...
You cursed me!

>>96956306
because he leaves and returns in the same ability, The State Based Action doesn't get a chance to check if your commander is exiled and you just give him away. Effects like these are entirely why deck/hand movements are replacements (because there are no cards that bounce and steal in the same breath) and grave/exile movements are SBA (so theft cards that want to reset a card can actually steal it)

>>96953378
She's dead, bro.

>>96956306
The way I see it, the choices remain even if you recast him or someone else gains control, so you use up all the choices and then gift him to an opponent, forcing him to lose 2 life every turn without getting to use any of the abilities.
Still sounds pretty bad.

>>96956189
>Currently B3 allows zero early game two cards infinites
>i'm not creative enough to run a three card infinite where the pieces are useful even w/o the combo

>>96956513
Is that how it works? He gets exiled before switching sides so i'd assume the choices reset? Or that they would maybe reset from just switching sides in general?

>>96956533
>>96956513
leaving the battlefield makes the card forget everything, it loses the counter and the new owner can choose any of the four

>>96956265
>90% of this thread has no consistent playgroup. Honestly probably higher.
this explains the pushback against brackets
timmies can't handle having to play with randos that have brackets now and no longer have to entertain incessant whining

>>96956539
What a pointless card.

>I'm going to path your commander
>Ok he goes to exile
>you mean him back in the command zone?
>No
>what why?
>because he was exiled
>but thats not-
>my deck doesn't need the commander to win
>but edhrec, command zone
>is it my turn yet?

>>96956404
>Exquisite Blood combos are generally classified as early game
you can pull off sanguine exquisite turn 6 which is in line w/ b3

>>96956490
>He didn't go to the afterlife to get her back
Ngmi

>>96956306
He's very much a card for flavor rather than actual use

>>96956553
it's a draft rare meant for a deck that deals 20 damage before you have to hand him over
not every legendary is supposed to be a commander

>>96956577
and song of the damned, dark rit and cabal wrent game changers!!! Technically bracket 3 turn 3 win hell yeah brothers, stomping bad players is the way to go.

>>96956658
>magical christmasland 6 card combo
>this happens all the time guys!
someone doesn't watch streams lol

>>96956551
>timmies keep whining about being pubstomped accusing me of bringing combos and infinites!
>timmies are also the ones pubstomping

What are the other self inserts that people in this general consider themselves?

>>96956689
>ramp and tutors dont exist to create consistency
>woah you need these EXACT 2 cards and not like things you can entomb or find alternatives

>>96956703
you don't even have to tutor exquisite sanguine effects, there's like 5 copies of them running around
but simic is so OP amirite guys?!

>>96956690
no one in the whole life of /edhg/ ever say timmies pubstomp (or are even capable of doing that) fyi

>>96956335
Truly autistic

>>96956690
The recurring fanfic of casual stompy decks beating cedh decks "because they aren't prepared for it" comes to mind.

>>96956745
>goes infinite within dozens of under-5 mana cards

You're right Anon Simic is weak and bereft of Timmy combos, don't use removal on my Scurry Oak all he makes is 1/1 nutboys what harm could he do :)

brackets are for autists

Just as a PSA to anyone casually browsing this thread:
No one and I mean NO ONE on /edhg/ approves of brackets
Any post you see allegedly in favor of brackets is posted ironically

Brackets are an evil wotc invention.
They are vague.
The whole point was to replace the 1-10 scale, so they just removed half of the numbers.
Brackets actually prevent meaningful conversation and replace it with "Im a 3".
Optimizing within bracket is now a goal for players.

>>96956856
>Wotc's wicked and barbarous "I'm a 3"
>Our glorious and meaningful "I'm a 7"

>>96956838
i wasn't saying simic wasn't strong, only that sanguine exquisite is apparently OP to some people when it's not

>beat the curve
Why do people make up nonsense terminology

>>96956854
card games are for autists

>>96956856
Anon you cant speak for the thread its really embarrassing to watch you try. Personally im indifferent to brackets, im not totally socially retarded so my ability to explain my deck and desired atmosphere has not changed. At best I do know I probably wont get blindsided by card choices when someone says their card is a certain level. Although I do also play with people who are likewise not socially retarded.

>>96956907
Deck is a certain level*

>>96956404
gavin himself said sanguine blood might be a b3 combo. heavily implied you should ask the table beforehand.

>>96956577
You can do it much earlier with fast mana and it's really not hard to do

>>96956954
Where did he say this? I've seen someone claim this here before but could never find anything to substantiate it.

>>96957003
>>96956689

>>96957012
it was at some podcast where he was a guest.

>take 2-card infinite combo out of deck
>replace it with 2-card lock
>comes out earlier and is harder to remove
>this is healthier according to my lgs
if people want to sit there for multiple turns instead of losing immediately, fine by me

>the three avatar precons designed by the Professor are actually incredibly well though out
Fuck my chud life

>>96957087
His foundations cube seems good too, if he wasn't such a faggot enabler he would actually be a pretty cool mtg creator

>>96956907
>Although I do also play with people who are likewise not socially retarded.
Fortunate you, gloat about it why dont you

>>96957087
Buy an ad @tiddypills

>>96957087
>avatar
they were always gonna be based because approved UB

>>96957069
>harder to remove
Citation needed

>>96957087
>designed by the professor
Isn't he just the face at this point? I feel like almost all of it is run by background staff. I also often think you can clearly hear his uninterest in topics and how he's just reading the script like any dude doing his dayjob. The latest avatar video was a clear example of this.
Like him pronouncing Agni Kai as Angi Kai.
Also the comment section is a cesspool of troons and their ilk because the editor likes Korra.

>>96957149
Enough of this meme

>>96957155
Approved UB is forever

>>96957147
This image is VERY disco.

>>96957012
https://youtu.be/0zZDZ3AgxR4?t=2838

he literally used it as an example for a bracket 3 combo but half a year before the first bracket system was introduced as such you can ignore anyone saying "but gavin said". he never commented on the combo again AFTER the bracket system was introduced.

>>96957165
Fuck off retard

>>96957168
It's even funnier because he has said before how he considers himself to be an alcoholic and is cautious around alcohol

>>96957179
REEE MUH SCRIMBLO BRIMBLO

>>96956907
>Anon you cant speak for the thread its really embarrassing to watch you try. Personally im indifferent to brackets

> Make a post claiming no one supports brackets
> Anon goes on a melty about being spoken for even though he explicitlydoes not support brackets.

>>96957184
He's been sober for a yar, apparently.

>>96957194
Who the fuck are you talking to?

who's the most fuckable dragon of mtg?

>>96957210
You probably, although whoever I quoted obviously

>>96957218
the gay one

>>96957218
Anyone who doesn't say Ugin is a liar.

>>96957252
>>96957249
i wonder who could be behind these posts.

what are your favorite swamps?

>>96957282
the combination of old border, text and artwork just does it for me.

>>96957282
For me, it's the Lowryn swamps.

They should make 60 card formats singleton, buying playsets just isn't appealing anymore.

>>96957151
I cheat out jin-git with a rule of law effect, instead of godo helm and they feel it is more fair because it isn't over instantly

>>96957388
anon that's brawl

>>96957416
I only know Brawl from Arena, isn't it just duel commander?

>>96957282
Anything premodern black border will do. Im partial to tempest and urza's saga. The ice age non snow swamps are great too.

>>96957414
>can still interact
Cool

does this scream strong to anyone else?
>cheat creatures onto the battlefield for free
>on an etb trigger
>in the best colors to flicker

Are there any cool mono-black reanimator commanders?

>>96957481
How much reanimation can you handle?

>>96957453
I'd rather just websling and toss in nu-ghalta and then vomit my hand out in bant

>>96957447
yes, but it is harder to remove than godo by himself
are you illiterate?

Six lighting bolts + tip

>>96957493
just realized there is no steering wheel

>>96957562
The local tard at my LGS is building this commander. But he didnt seem to realize that you need flash speed things when we talked about it.

>>96952565 (OP)
Late TQ:
>Playing for packs in mini-tournament at FLGS
>Goal is to kill people
>Wannabe-pubstomper netdecks a Tinybones discard deck to try to get everyone to ragequit
>I brought my Kwain stax deck
>He gets pissy after the game
>"I fucking hate it when people play stax"
>Okay Tinybones discard

Same dude later had a crashout where he threatened to kill me, which was funny.

>>96957481
no, none. black isn't really known for reanimating, sorry

>>96957236
But you didnt quote me? Indifference isnt a lack of support. Im indifferent to the change, but I support their use as it is the standard now. And even then, in my post I admitted that if there is any change, its a slightly positive one, as I will no longer be blindsided and shocked to see certain cards show up, that I would've assumed the person didnt think was a "6/7"

>>96957662
>But you didnt quote me?
Stopped reading.

>>96957662
For someone who is indifferent about brackets, you are awfully defensive about it. And actually yes, being indifferent about something does imply a lack of support. Because if you supported it then you wouldnt be indifferent

>>96957703
Sorry i should say you misinterpret me.
>>96957764
I dont want my words being twisted by little faggots like you thats all.

>>96957562
HE DONE DID IT TWICE!!!

>>96957562
>5 mana (she makes 2 of it already) to make 6 bolts
I love it

>>96957562
this but 1 more mana for 6 reality shifts

I wish the dark souls tranny would stop posting their shit cards

>>96958065
>I wish person who isn't here would stop doing that thing they aren't doing
classic poop dick schizo post

>>96957218
The gay one

>>96957218
The gay one

>>96957218
The homosexual one.

>want to buy a particular land in foil
>regardless of the price there's not enough NM copies available on cardmarket
>check one of the chink bootleg sellers
>across the board their foils look better than wotc sanctioned cardboard
>instead of rainbow vomit all over the card it actually gives dimension to the art
Why does it have to be like this?

>>96957218
The gay one

>>96957249
>>96958120
>>96958189
>>96958196
>>96958204

>>96958200
Wizard's is fucking ass at foiling. I have never seen a card game where the foils are so almost universally shit that I have to actively make sure I'm getting nonfoils when I'm picking up cards. Anyone could do better. It's insane how bad they are at it

Just here thinking on the shenanigans that firebend will provide on my beloved Judith.
Ah, it does feel good to be a red-enjoyer.

I'm thinking of replacing duskmantle seer or sin prodder with this:


For grixis spellslinger, what's a good 2-3 cost repeatable draw that's decent

if I want to build Azula for CEDH, what are the best haste enablers?
I know gwenom plays boots, but being red must mean Azula has more options right?

>>96958245
Romantic Rendezvous, Faithless Looting, Nights Wish, Sign in Blood, Opt, Brainstorm… are some of the most popular I can think off.

Does this go infinite?

>>96958264
No. It stops when your opponents no longer have life to lose.

Am I forced to use her -2 ability every turn?

>>96958275
yes. otherwise she will get hit and you lose value

>>96958264
Yes. Same with Bloodthisrty Conqueror + Marauding Blight Priest.
This is the most Classic “babies first infinite” there is.
>>96958257
Buried Alive/Entomb an Anger. Tannuk. The boots.

>>96958264
Vito and Bruvac go infinite with a wide amount of cards you'd naturally put in their decks. Which is why they are shitty commanders.

>>96958245
Compulsion if you like Rummaging.

>Bracket 1
Doesn't exist.

>Bracket 2
First or second player knocked out.

>Bracket 3
Me.

>Bracket 4
Whoever won if it wasn't me.

>Bracket 5
cedh

Is this card still good or was it powercrept?

>>96958398
>doesn't exile
Completely unplayable

>>96958398
still good if you're playing Rakdos/Grixies.
i can only think of Snuff-Out as a straight up powercreep over this

>>96958398
anything single target against 3 opponents with KOS legends is a guarantee way to lose

>>96958391
Woah buddy you're using too many of those brackets
>Bracket 1
All players I beat because their deck STINKS
>Bracket 2
Noobs playing precons and nobody else
>Bracket 3
Me
>Bracket 4
Nobody
>cEDH
The person who beat me.

>>96958398
>destroys instead of exiles
>only hits creatures
>largely irrelevant bonus text
>2 colored pips in cost
Play it in your shitty budget decks if you happen to have them around I guess? Otherwise I wouldn't bother. Your options for removal are so much better than that.

>>96958430
Okay but consider all the KOS legends may not always be on the field at the same time so if you're casting a Wrath every time you're either letting them untap with it (very bad) or massively overpaying to remove 1-2 creatures.

>>96958441
Unironically name 5 better rakdos cards that are unconditional creature removal for 2 or less mana at instant speed.

Is Chain of Vapor a good card outside of CEDH

>>96957882
Id worry more about having coherent and reasoned opinions before worrying about people putting words in your mouth

>>96958441
>Your options for removal are so much better than that.

ok, so name a few? have to meet this anon's criteria >>96958455

just say "single target removal in EDH is not very good" and stop being an unsuferable bitch.

>>96958461
maybe in pre-modern? i know theres a lot of Storm stuff there, so i guess is good.

>>96958444
board wipes are like 3 mana now sometimes even being one sided. not really overpaying compared to 2. sure they are not instant speed which is sometimes necessary so they get 0 value but even then you might as well run counterspells like tibalt's or withering boon for rakdos specificly

>>96958461
only in decks that want to bounce own stuff too

>>96958455
Infernal Grasp
Bitter Triumph
Baleful Mastery
And these two >>96958503

>>96958398
costs one mana more but I guess thats worth it

>>96958503
Name two 3-mana boardwipes in rakdos that kill a board of 4-toughness creatures.

>>96958455
infernal grasp, if you don't count the life cost as a condition.
go for the throat is conditional but i like it a lot

>>96958455
Cannibalize
Snuff Out
Deadly Rollick
Tragic Slip
Vendetta

>>96958521
>Destroy + pay life
>Destroy + pay life or discard
>Give opponent card
I fail to see how these are superior unless you're one of those autists that think colorfixing is hard in the format with fetches legal.

>>96958545
Okay now name the second one.

>name good cards in rakdos
>it's all mono black

>>96958503
>board wipes are like 3 mana now sometimes even being one sided.
No they aren't. Retard.
And the best board wipes run 6+ mana

>>96958529
fire covenant is even instant speed

>>96958398
Don't fall for the "single target removal is unplayable" meme, but I'd probably still run Snuff Out, Infernal Grasp, Deadly Rollick or Bitter Triumph before Terminate.

>>96958541
>Sorcery but funny
>Good but conditional (nonblack)
>Fraudulent-ass card from fake cycle of busted cards (counts)
>Good but conditional (morbid)
>Good but conditional (nonblack)

>>96958564
split up is very board dependent but hey

>>96958529
Are you even trying?

Dumbass hybrid cards are going to ruin this game by giving every color access to unconditional tutors.

>>96958606
>destroy all creatures, skip your next turn

>>96958606
You know what, if you unironically run this card I concede.

>>96958618
>do exactly what he says
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
Many such cases!

>>96958612
wtf ban this shit

>>96958612
If someone wants to tutor a card for 10 mana I don't mind.

>>96958623
It's actually in my 8rack deck since they're not playing anything anyway. Wipe the board and yeah I do have another 1-2 turns to just chill, especially with this homie out

>>96958661
I mean you are playing a discord deck so I bet you dont have any friends anyway

>>96958659
you now remember manarocks

>>96958661
unrelated, but only because of the term 8rack brings it up

What do you all think of spice8rack. I feel like he's actually detrimental to magic as a whole and is projecting way too much white guilt at everyone else.

Here it is. The definitive tier two casual Azula deck. If you have suggestions, now would be the time
https://archidekt.com/decks/17343619/azula_combat_copies

>>96958675
Lol that's fair. I very rarely play it because I think discard is awful, but I always wanted an 8rack deck soooo