Thread 96959694

Endangered Bird Wizard Seeks Refuge in Vintage Edition

>Bans (new)
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025

>News
The 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation

>Spoilers
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https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
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>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.
https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96955560

>TQ
What are you playing after the bans?

>>96959694 (OP)
>TQ
Gruul Delirium. It got hit with the nemesis ban but all it needs to do is to replace it with Tersa Lightshatter anyway

>What are you playing after the bans?
my Amulet Titan survives yet another B&R
I'll play this format as long as this deck is legal

Why is Redirect Lightning so overcosted? It should just cost R, no damage to your own face

Redirect spells are dead cards except for a specific situation where someone is using a kill spell and they have their own creature on the board you can zap.

Of course you can punish a counterspell as well but both are very uncommon situations.

It's a one of spell, like a plummet or a pithing needle

>>96959756
Shut the fuck up
Red players should face lineal punishment

>>96959694 (OP)
>TQ
I don’t play constructed. Wotc have wiped their ass with it too many times.

>>96959694 (OP)
How does this affect the pauper scene?

My babygirl Screaming Nemesis has been shot and thrown into a ditch

Please tell me a cool idea for an even slightly competitive and fun deck that has 0 (zero) UBslop cards

>>96959694 (OP)
The same i have been playing and probably will play until WotC take their heads out of their butts: Monoblack Midrange in Pioneer

>>96959804
no I'm kinda with him. Even at cmc1 Redirect is a hard sell, these effect are much more narrow than they look.

time to see what horrors were being kept in check by vivi and nemesis

>>96959756
Flat R is a bit too good. 1R maybe though.

>>96960011
How about 1R change the target of a spell with one target, draw a card

>>96960019
Lineal punishment

>>96960019
Death penalty. Most you can get is spells/abilities with any number of targets.

>banned entomb

the nazis hate jews less than Wizards hates its own customers

Should I swap out a copy of AoV for a third twin blade or a third Haliya?

>>96960011
I think the closest comparison to single target is pithing needle. 1CMC, narrow silver bullet. This is printed at two and is broader and doesn't see any play

>>96960046
single target redirects*

>>96960011
1R already gets you Untimely Malfunction, which has other modes on top of just redirecting one spell/ability.

>>96960046
1R is easier to cast than UU and isn't in the color with Spell Pierce.

>>96960046
Untimely malfunction does see play, it's a solid sideboard card.

>>96960084
>three modal hate piece sees play as sideboard material

no way

>>96960112
>anon wants to make a card that's exactly the same but has only one of those modes
>it's shit
no way

>>96960084
>pic
Didn't know we already already have a Trolls UB

>>96960035
Huh, you know I don't think I've ever seen a life gain deck running Haliya. Why is that?

How the fuck do you deal with this guy?

>>96960256

no one plays it so you don't have to

>>96959756
I miss the time where Redirect spells costed 3U as a baseline...
>>96959481
>Screaming Nemesis to ruin Standard.
{2}{R}Haste
Whenever this creature is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to any other target. (member Blasphemous Act? I member)
If a player is dealt damage this way, they can’t gain life for the rest of the game. (Like Life gain was that much of a problem that they need to stop it on turn 3)
2/2

Nah, this card was 100% made for pet decks and to be silver bullets and staple on red commander aggro decks.

Believing they didn't made it for commander is like believing that they forgot that OKO +1 could be used on opposing creatures and artifacts... They knew they could use it (they are stupid but not that much) the thing is: it was an planeswalker that could destroy ramp commander strategies.

Next you are going to say you believe that they didn't see Companions as broken because of the deck clause, you will say that Lutre (or whatever the RU one is) is proof of that because it was free on commander... Nah, they knew what they were doing and Lutre was a bait for commander players to buy Ikoria like there was no tomorow.
>>96959899
>UBslop cards
Sorry anon. Maybe you can use the "in-universe" UBshit that Arena has.

play

premodern

>>96959756
it is effectively a counterspell in most situations. One mana counterspells need to be weaker than this.

>>96960256
>Reanimate Mistmoors on turn 3
>Opponent casts pic related on their next turn
I guess run Wx control. It also dies to No More Lies.

>>96960509
any spell is a legal target for counter spell. Redirect Lightning needs an enemy spell, a new legal target that should be the opposing player's to be good

Shit Nigga What Are You Doing
R
Instant
Choose one
- You may choose new targets for target spell
- Take control of target triggered or activated ability. You may choose new targets for it.

>>96960721

redirect their force of negation to redirect lightning BOOM checkmate, atheist

this deck was sovl desu

>>96960768
I want to have sex with vampire conquistador women

>>96960811
Dina...

What are your thoughts on pullbox?

>>96960811
old and busted

NEBRASKA
WON

>>96960372
He and his older brother both see play in decks with GY setup.

press S to spit on Entomb

>>96960934
>t. oops player

>>96960936
I'm a Doomsday player

Banishing light, get lost, or stroke of midnight?

>>96960957
sheltered by ghosts

>>96960964
Besides that

>>96960936
>oops player

looking forward to Avatar draft :)

>>96959694 (OP)
>playing?

>>96959694 (OP)
>TQ

janky 60 card kitchen table

Who's ready for Reanimate and Vengeance to get banned next?

Reanimate is a fundamentally flawed archetype
The fact that even at the lowest power level (standard), 5+ mana cost practically cost 4 unless they have a cast trigger goes against magic fundamentals. It is one of the reasons why Magic is always going to be degenerate, because turn 4 is the last effective turn before all form of attritions die.

>>96959756
5 life is free in Comander

>>96961236
Shut up loser I want to be a necromancer

>>96959756
>kill spell
I'm mostly looking at it as a way to redirect discard spells and win every counter war.

Another week of praying that my boy Blex gets the "commander treatment" in Secrets of Strixhaven so that Swarmweaver doesn't have to carry this bullshit meta on just his shoulders. I was hoping the mana dorks would find some utility in a 5c changeling in Lorwyn, but then they gave allies the greatest mana-fixing creature ever printed, so now that plan's out. Maybe the changeling/generic support from Lorwyn will give me a reason to come back sooner.

>>96961236

unmarked grave can't fetch atraxa or tamiyo. will it replace entomb?

>>96961313
You can't "replace" entomb with 2 mana cards. 1 mana put stuff in graveyard is busted, which is why Troll got banned before Entomb.
It might see play as a t2 or t3 deck though.

So we're all having fun playing with Avatar: The Last Airbender™ Universes Beyond™ cards at the prerelease, right?

>>96960957
Emergency Eject

>>96961003
I cast Bitterblossom (with Silksong)

>>96959694 (OP)
Standard

Vivi Ornitier is banned.
Screaming Nemesis is banned.
Proft's Eidetic Memory is banned.

Pioneer

Heartfire Hero is banned.

Modern

No changes

Legacy

Entomb is banned.
Nadu, Winged Wisdom is banned.

Vintage

No changes

Pauper

High Tide is banned.

Alchemy

No changes

Historic

Force of Negation is pre-banned.
Frantic Search is pre-banned.
Mystical Tutor is pre-banned.
Entomb is pre-banned.
Dark Depths is pre-banned.

Timeless

No changes

Brawl

Strip Mine is banned.
Mana Drain is banned.
Chrome Mox is banned
Ancient Tomb is banned.

Effective Date: November 10, 2025

Next Announcement Date: February 9, 2026

Monoblackreanimatorlegacybros
How are we coping ?

At least the bird took the ban ,right ?

>>96961316

so there's no way to save the deck?

>>96961513
I wish girl losers were real

>>96961313
>>96961599
worldly tutor + surveil land is effectively the best 2 mana entomb we have access to now, the problem is that it locks you to green/black which means no blue for protection

I think a hybrid of the chain of smog combo could be the new best version of traditional reanimator

>>96961632

no one is gonna run bg reanimator just like monob.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7329892#paper

already tried running unmarked grave and 1 iok and it went 7-2. might see some modifications to this list and maybe it will 4-5 or 3-6. the fow package is pretty strong even without wasteland.

Legacybros what's the general mood?

>>96959756
>Counterspells are uncommon

>>96961607
They are, they're just nowhere near as attractive or skinny as usually depicted

>>96961689
Yeah they also smell bad and are mentally unstable.

>>96961695
BPD girls are godlike though

>>96961689
As long as they're not fat

>>96961607

look for shtinky league players

What if I want a needy woman that doesn't stink?

>>96959694 (OP)
>Entomb banned in Legacy
Really wasn't expecting that. Does this just straight up kill Reanimator decks?

>>96961739

probably. the nadu deck is dead and cephalid breakfast is gonna slow down a lot.

high tide in pauper killed a deck.

>>96961731
Girls don't play video games

>>96961739
We have the technology.

>>96961757
That's a massive downgrade unfortunately. Sure it's the best and probably only alternative, but it drops the deck from tier 1 to tier 3.

>>96961757
That's twice the mana...

>>96961738
just clean her yourself? she is needy after all

>>96961674
happy that we got bans but not addressing tamiyo and the ring is just kicking the can down the road

>>96961739
it makes them much, much worse but they're not technically dead
if you want an example of real a dead deck, look at nadu midrange, the whole deck was built around it

I fear my opponent might've made a tactical misstep here

Oh well, time to go do the laundry!

>>96961913
> filename
jajajajajaja hola mi amigo como va taco goku

>>96961948
Don't bully our latinx representation

>>96961451
I love how people are still overbaking the fuck out of their CFG in 2025.

>>96961913
>>96961948
>>96961967
I think being an arena player makes him a more undesirable person than him being latin.

>>96961236
Reanimate without ramp is fine since it's basically a more vulnerable to hate way to achieve the same result, of somebody's ramping with multiple lands per turn and mana dorks there's not much difference between casting an 8 mana card turn 4 vs using a 4 mana reanimate.
What's really degenerate is massive creature power creep triggering off enters the battlefield allowing you to get 90% of a card's value by cheating it into play for one or two mana with shit like goryo's vengeance, and of course the O.G Reanimate from Tempest which simply wasn't designed with modern creature power creep in mind.

You're not cheating in Shivan Dragon in 2025, you're cheating in Atraxa who's already double-dipped on value by being pitched to a force of will to counterspell the opponent for free, so you've spent 2 cards and ONE mana to get a fucking Griselbrand++

Unironically what were they thinking by printing this card? It makes firebending student look like draft chaff

>>96962152
"+2/0 is the same total stats as prowess giving +1/+1, so there's basically no difference right?"
alternatively "we're sick of monastery swift spear still seeing play in legacy, what can we do to power creep it?"

>>96962152
They were thinking "mono red and combat damage are weak in coomander, therefore we can print whatever the fuck we want"

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2612189237

>WoTC staff playing Duel Masters on official MTG channel
>One Duel Master editor
>The other UB designer
Either there will be UB Duel Master (baiting Japanese player) or some Duel masters mechanic got ported to MTG

>>96962308
Finally ... Joyous Spring will save magic

>>96962343
How?

>>96962343
???

>>96962343
wrong game

>>96962308
Is yugioh magic-adjecent?

>>96962308
Non ironically if MTG had a Genesys format it would save Magic

>>96961695
>This is a bad thing

>>96961706
>As long as they're not fat

>>96962343
Anon...

>>96962343
>Ups make a mistake

>>96962447
>>96962489
>Let's just keep going to the bottom

YuGayOhh Sis.....

>>96962343
>Counters a tutor, genesis or entomb.
What good would that do?

>>96962308
Duel Masters used to be printed in the west by WotC and has quite a few MTG crossover cards in japan (Jace TMS, Serra Angel, Black Lotus that actually functions more like Lotus Bloom, ansd some others i think), and one of the recent DM sets had split creature/spell cards that area bit confusing to look at. I can see them hyping up DM return to the west, fueled by everyone leaving MTG because of the UBslop

>>96962755
seeing how Entomb is so good it got banned, quite a lot of good. And if you're not using it as the counter you can just play it as a beatstick, which is even more options.

>all the video creator niggas who hated spiderman now hipying turtles
damn wizards if you sent your goons and money checks make it less obvius

I am thinking of quitting Standard format entirely and playing Brawl instead. One problem I have with Brawl is I cannot find good online resources, all the decklists I see are years old. I asked my IRL friend who plays and he suggested making your own brew instead of netdecking, with the added benefit that you will be less likely to get matchmade with sweaty decks.

Do you guys have any advice on deckbuilding for Brawl format?

>>96962953
>neckdecking the drooler format
anon please

>>96962755
>zero mana stifle a fetch

Broken

Is this game fucked beyond any redemption? I keep seeing Izzet even after bans…

>>96962922
TURTLES FOREVER MATE!!!
KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!

>all creators opening boxes went in the negative
Makes me wonder, what sort of fucked up market is this? the box has more value that the shit inside, how is it even sustainable?

>>96962981
If Brawl is the last viable format shouldn't I "take it seriously"

>>96963034
there are paypiggies who crack them like lotto tickets and "sneakerhead" - style (aka black and brown people living in NYC) "investors" who buy them to hold onto the product sealed on the off-chance that the product spikes in value in the future. They see something like the fact that Lorwyn boxes from '07 go for over a thousand dollars now and buy a box or a hundred hoping that something similar will happen to Spider-Man Collector's boxes.

The quote obvious fact that none of these people are buying cards to actually play the game or collect the set or anything like that seems totally unobjectionable to WotC.

>Every format was flourishing until now according to WotC
>With the B&R, WotC acts like they were the ones advocating for bans and changes and supporting upset players

WHAT IF I JUST PLAY MERFOLK LOOTER IN MY REANIMATOR DECK

>>96960256
Uhhh disenchant?

>>96963033
>One Leonardo or another
That's stupid? Doesn't make much sense? Why isn't it.
>One Leonardo to another

>>96962308
>the most broken and banned cars in yu-gi-oh is....divination


AHAHAHAHA

i think she's underrated

>>96962308
Revolution change coming trust

>>96962308
Is this confirmation YuGi is in a better spot than Magic? MTG bros… Where things gone so wrong for a 1 turn Japanese TCG could beat us?

>>96962308
Can someone redpill me on dual masters? Am I supposed to be angry? Can a nigga get a little context?

How are Legacy and Vintage? My local playgroup wants to run proxy events for one of the eternal formats other than Pauper and I wonder for which one should I vouch.

I would pay to get YuGi styled cards rather than UB

>>96963157
Mr. President, a second ban has hit Legacy

I pray to god that riftbound takes all the piggies away

>>96963252
Even if it did, they'd be back in a couple years when it dies.

>>96963267
Riftbound is the Magic killer. If there is something to kill i mean…

>>96963209
>>96963157
I still gonna run entomb in my UB deck. The ban was unjust and they know.

>but but but it was banned

It a proxy event. What are you gonna do?call the cops?
I agree to not take out entomb if no one else play The Ring or Kozilek command

>>96963286
They couldn't even kill it with LoR, a digital game that would have a far greater reach. Riftbound is competing in a smaller niche (physical card game), fighting for an audience that Magic basically has a monopoly on (commander players). From what I understand, they've also deviated a fair bit from lore so they're not even leveraging the existing base.

>>96963348
>From what I understand, they've also deviated a fair bit from lore
Arcane did that too and it was a hit.

>>96963431
They didn't actually deviate that much in S1, most of it was working in unknown or vague backstories. S2 was the one that changed a lot, and at least from what I saw people liked that a lot less. Especially with VIktor and Warwick.

>>96963157
>legacy
even with entomb and nadu banned the format is likely still gonna be warped around tamiyo and the mystic forge deck, if you don't like the idea of having to consistently answer early tamiyos or have 4x null rod + heavy interaction in your sideboard, I don't recommend it
>vintage
much better than legacy in terms of decks you can reasonably play, but you gotta accept the high varience nature of the format (unless you play lurrus control, that deck is all answers)

>discuss league of legends slop

Truly a new low even for /mtg/ standards

>>96961706
No no they are not unless you want to be a cucked emotional tampon only fuck and chuck bpd girls. The sex is unbelievable though.

>>96963625
Don't worry, next year it'll be a LoL UB and become on topic.

>>96963625
yeah, we should discuss teenage mutant ninja turtles right, anon-kun?

>>96959694 (OP)
Legacy: WB D&T
Modern: Grixis (Splinter Twin) Midrange
>Standard
>>96963033
>KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!

>>96963033
>KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!

>>96963033
>KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!

play

premodern

>>96963965
>even the Premodern Brazilian spammer is gone

>>96961236
This. How the fuck do you balance the bigger creatures when 5 mana is just as easy to cast as 500? They have all the benefits of supersized creatures with none of the penalties.

>landfall deck
>landfall deck
>landfall deck
>landfall deck
>landfall deck

we need more creatures and spell than "cant be countered by spells or abilities" in standard, dimir is getting to good and strong after vivi ban

i

>>96963034
>how is it even sustainable?
That's the neat part... It's not. These "people" are bag holders and eventually the bubble will pop and they will all freak out and hopefully hang from a ceiling fan, Rudy from Alpha Investments especially. More people coming in means more analytical eyes on prices and value, this is why they announced the big end to old reprints this which has massively pumped the market. It will not however prevent the eventually bubble pop and crash if TMNT and Avatar fail to live up to expectations for "investors."
>>96963076
>>Every format was flourishing until now according to WotC
As a relatively new player the fact that they cope about this is insane. I've wanted to get into paper standard for 2 years now but the game is just way too expensive to have to rent a deck. Im only considering getting into pauper now for obvious reasons and a new shop in town has a big scene for it apparently + ygo is finally doing what people have been begging for with Genesys so it's a prime time to get back into that.

>look in to pauper
>some cards are $2
Damn, I honestly wasn't expecting that

>>96963523
>They didn't actually deviate that much in S1
Not unless you're a Blitzcrank fan...

>Entomb ban
they are gonna print giga cancer in MH4 arent they

>>96964264
Phyrexian Entomb

>>96964264
I mean yeah but that's completely independant from the entomb ban, maybe it looks like a random change to the average outsider but legacy has been having a gigantic problem with dimir reanimator for like 3 years or so

Is this game cooked?

>>96964405
Overcooked.

>>96964405
>>96964436
nah, is raw, pure, the purest in fact, unadultered shit.

While I like the memory hit, they should have banned stock up and star charts too.

>>96964264
>MH4

You mean the upcoming hobbit set?

>>96959832
high tidefags in shambles

>>96963625
The pigs demand reparations.

>>96964499
we're going to have that AND MH4 in 2027 or 2028

>>96964635
Damn I miss only having 3-4 standard sets in a year and only having to care about those.
I miss blocks. I miss having characters without weird hair colors being main characters.

>>96964635
Good old times... I never thought how much i would miss that year with just MKM, OTJ, Bloomburrow and DSK, half of this were bad sets? Yeah, but on a whole different level than TMNT, Avatar, Star Trek and Marvel capeshit.

Take me back, bros...

>>96961236
>>96962148
>>96961218
We are well past the point where non restrictive "place monster" effects can be allowed in this stupid fucking game. Having decks where you essentially auto lose unless you draw the specific counter you have for them is shit no matter how you look at it.
>>96964478
Not letting blue fags search their entire deck with no restrictions is anti semitic anon.

Dumb question but if I built a hare apprent deck today how long would I be able to play it in standard with all the bloomburrow support?

>>96964952
until blb rotates in January '27.

>>96964961
Shit, I'll save my money then.

Why is wizards obsessed with making the innistrad vampires blackulas?

>>96964968
Because wizards wont rest until every single humanoid creature represents some kind of minority.

>>96964968
Huh?

>>96964979
a favorite of mine from 2019

>>96964968
>markov
>black

>>96964968
>/mtg/ is gatekeeping who can be monstrous bloodsucking horrors now

>>96965008
Vampires clans aren't genetic, they're chosen. No issue there.

>>96964968
Good question

Why we didn't get black samurai or ninja in Neon Kamigawa?

>>96965046
The fuck are you talking about?

>>96965046
we in fact got negroids at kamigawa.

>>96964968
Because they love blaxsploitation kino
>>96965046
>chud has the "doesn't play the game" award
Imagine my freaking shock

>>96963062
that 'if' is doing a lot of work in your sentence

>>96965172
I like Brawl AND Standard Brawl

Would this be too much for a one drop?

>>96965659
>furry shit

Yeah that would make me leave the table

>>96965684
>Yeah that would make me leave the table
I wish the annoying fags that said this shit would actually do it so we people who actually play the game won't have to deal with you

Is this a real card? They didn't print this, right?

>>96965797
Saying "real card" implies that there are fake cards, and we don't allow that kind of exclusionary dialogue. Unless they're the p-word, then it's straight to jail.

>>96965797
It's a bonus sheet card, yes.
https://scryfall.com/sets/fca

>>96965797
*tutors demonicly*

>>96965817
Ponder?

>>96965797
Anon, this is a real magic card they don't fucking care.

Oh it was Cruel, I thought it was Demonic.

>>96964392
top three most played cards before the ban
> force of will, force of negation, brainstorm
top three most played cards after the ban
> force of will, force of negation, brainstorm
yes the bans are perfect and will save legacy anon

>>96965867
People won't check, just pretend it is

>>96965867
making me see that card is cruel

>>96965684
Don't worry anon I only plan on making 3-4 more

>>96965870
The health of a format is not in its most played cards.

>>96965870
>yes the bans are perfect and will save legacy anon
when did I say the bans are going to save legacy? that's a gigantic leap of logic wtf
OP's post implied they only banned entomb because of some shit in MH4, which in my post I explained it wasn't the case, reanimator has been a problem for while now, I never implied banning entomb would fix anything

>>96965951
Honestly even without format knowledge anyone should be able to tell that the ban isn't in relation to an upcoming set, let alone a modern horizons set, because there's no chance in hell the designers are testing for impact in Legacy in any product

>>96965951
hard to say reanimator is a problem if banning it doesn't affect the best deck core in the format. Brainstorm/Force of Will has been winning since before 2006 and it will continue uninterrupted in 2026. who gives a shit about three years of pairing it with entomb instead of something else.

>>96965925
Vivi gamer spotted.
I like formats to have more than one viable deck and strategy and I guess you don't. That's fine, hasbro agrees with you anyway.

>>96966101
>hard to say reanimator is a problem if banning it doesn't affect the best deck core in the format.
the "best deck core" of the format is a sacred cow, they are never going to ban cards from it, you can't possibly be ignorant of this by now
>who gives a shit about three years of pairing it with entomb instead of something else.
the people who play the format in which the sacred cows are never going to be banned, obviously

you're living in a fantasy world if you think banning the blue cards has ever been on the table, it's like talking about banning power 9 + shops and bazaar from vintage

>People actually saying the Entomb ban was fine and Force of Will needs to follow
Yeah, I'm sure the flashy made-for-commander legendary that gave tempo to you in literally every way possible wasn't the problem. It was the rest of the t2 deck that suddenly shot to t1 when Atraxa came out.
I'm sure a FoW ban will definitely improve Legacy and not just make the whole format instantly go to shit where the player that goes first has 80% winrate because there's no way to regain tempo against them.

>>96966244
Anon you don't get it, we'd have to ban EVERY giant reanimate target we print from every set onwards if we don't ban entomb. It's just not possible to hold them up to Griselbrand as a measuring stick of how good a card should be. That technology just doesn't exist. And we're obviously going to never stop making stupid giant monsters for Commander, so you'll just have to accept this entomb ban.

>>96965870
>>96966101
Are you the dipshit that was spamming
>NEW PIONEER BREW 4 THOUGHTSEIZE 4 FATAL PUSH
some time ago? Decks are going to run the best draw spell and the best free interaction spell, why does this surprise you? Do you have any idea how much bullshit is being held in check because of free 2-for-1 yourself counterspells? Do you have any idea how much better formats are for the most played cards being interaction and draw instead of win cons?

>>96965842
HAHAHAHAHA imagine you are a fucking design and you have to watch this western anime to make future cards for your game and you precisely decide that you will copy paste in jpg this exact pic, then someone at the market team greenlights this shit and tells you "good work, frend" LMAO

>>96965659
>create a map token
As a common it would also likely want reminder text for what a map token is.

I'm sad about screaming nemesis being banned
Especially because it removes my excuse to run Fanatical Firebrand
What are some good replacements? I need a good 1 drop creature that isn't Hired Claw and a new 3 drop
I feel like there's nothing good in Avatar for the deck

>>96966371
>replacements for one of the worst design mistakes in magic history
anon...

>>96966286
Well that's because commander players banned Griselbrand because he's too scary in their 40-life format.

>>96966386
What's wrong with Fanatical Firebrand? I feel like it's a fun Mogg Fanatic successor

>>96966371
>What are some good replacements?
>For that fucking abomination
Genuinely, and I mean this with all my heart,
FUCK OFF
IF YOU ARE PLAYING RED
THE ENTIRE POINT IS TO BE FRAGILE
NEMESIS IS NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE

>>96966404
kek well memed my friend

Testing is being done.
The late game threat of randomly having your Mistmoors make 4 tokens instead of 2 for almost no investment is absolutely disgusting.

>>96966101
>Vivi gamer spotted.
>I like formats to have more than one viable deck and strategy
Invalid retort. Brainstorm is not a strategy, all it does is draw you cards. You cannot win a game through Force of Will alone. These are not strategies. They are tools to facilitate strategies. You suck at debating.

>>96966417
Why are you so angered that I want to find another 3 cmc creature?

>>96966432
"late game threat" in a format where there isn't a late game is whack

>>96966371
Ball Lightning is the 3 drop for men of culture

>>96966344
Fixed, thanks.

>>96966478
>"late game threat" in a format where there isn't a late game is whack
He says, after both aggro decks got deleted.

>>96966493
I didn't see a SSS ban

>>96966507
>I didn't see a SSS ban
SSS is fast but manageable. You can see it coming and without Monstrous Rage, and even moreso without Nemesis completely deleting any ability to stabilize after SSS gets a crack in, it's not too threatening.
That is to say, you can remove SSS and you actually have time to do things after without being shit on by infinite value unblockable follow ups.

Honestly, the main hellish broken ass FIRE threat I'm becoming worried about in Standard right now appears to be Enduring Curiosity. With Kaito to back it up, Curiosity is just far too hard to interact with and far too potent at what it does.

In the entire Standard format, your reasonable solutions to Curiosity are exactly a bargained Torch the Tower and nothing else. What the FUCK were they thinking printing a fucking Coastal Piracy WITH A BODY SO IT CAN TRIGGER ITSELF

>>96966549
>What the FUCK were they thinking printing a fucking Coastal Piracy WITH A BODY SO IT CAN TRIGGER ITSELF
with flash!

>>96966566
I, for one, enjoy how Duskmourn design was "Let's power creep the thing, then do it again, then power creep it even more, and then for good measure make sure to add one additional extra power creep layer on top of that... then take that design idea and preemptively power creep it!"

>>96966549
we need this at instant speed

we must return to mercadia

>>96966579
That would be nice.
Decent instant speed removal AT ALL IN ANY WAY would be nice, actually.

>>96964968
I swear to god marvel has blade on it. He is the only cool non spandex im that cringe fest. But disney keeps pretending he does not exist

>>96966597
White at least still has Get Lost. Black's options have gotten pretty bad since Throat rotated out.

>>96966700
>Get Lost the Creativity
>They get two maps and still have Creativity
yeah no

what if you hit the cat with one of these?

>>96966759
It's alright. Torch the Tower, if you can Bargain it reliably, is a much better option at 1cmc.
Problem with Dragonfire is that it's just kind of shit and not very good against things that aren't exactly cat.

>>96966732
You mean Curiosity? Yeah, there's not much in the way of clean, reasonably cheap, instant answers for the Enduring cycle unless they're actually swinging with it.

Stock up should not be a legal card

>>96966863
That's true of about one in ten Standard cards and that's not even counting UB

>>96966863
It should be instant speed

>>96966920
And have Flashback 3U

>>96966920
>>96966926
Instead of wasting cardboard i say we just make a new rule that says blue players can simply take every card they want from their deck whenever they want instead of drawing for turn.

>>96966982
>Instead of wasting cardboard i say we just make a new rule that says blue players can simply take every card they want from their deck whenever they want instead of drawing for turn.
Honestly? Yeah. That should just be an inherent ability of Islands.
Mountains give all your creatures Hate and Double Strike. Forests add GG instead. Swamps let you pay 1 life to draw a card. And Plains gain 1 life on ETB.

>>96966863
The blackpill is that Stock Up is genuinely not that good because it's a 3-mana sorcery, but it's played because it gets over the gigacancer that is Orcish Bowmasters, which is in-turn played at 4 copies because of the utter retardation that is Tamiyo.

>>96967005
>The blackpill is that Stock Up is genuinely not that good because it's a 3-mana sorcery, but it's played because it gets over the gigacancer that is Orcish Bowmasters, which is in-turn played at 4 copies because of the utter retardation that is Tamiyo.
No, anon. You are wrong.
Entomb was the problem.

>>96959694 (OP)
I just came back from a funeral. It got me thinking: Have your ever thought about your incoming death, /tg/? As in what will happen to your cards after your pass away? And, would you take any deck(s) with you into the afterlife?
I just talke about this with my friends and each one of us is taking our favorite commander decks into the grave

>>96967005
Even on it's own it supports any blue strategy that wants to stall (the most annoying kind), by letting you fill your devk with as many counter spells and removal options as you want while still having the draw power to get to your win con. Star charts is arguably even worse about this but together they're absolutely aids.

>>96967133
>Card that does nothing but put more cards in your hand is better in archetypes that aren't aggro
No way!

>>96965870
> force of will, force of negation
The problem.
>brainstorm
Not a problem in any way as Pauper is still great.
>top 3: lorien revealed, lightning bolt, brainstorm
It's notable that premodern in no way as the problems of legacy. Force of Will, and brainstorm are banned in it.
>top 3: swords to paradise, mishra's factory, wasteland
A brainstorm unban would only see blue decks replace portent or opt with brainstorm. Strong card. But it doesn't really break anything.

>>96967149
Facilitating bad deck building is gay. There should be some consequence to making your deck mostly cards that prevent your opponent from playing.

It's been two years since the "Revitalizing Standard" post was made on the official MtG website, which boiled down to an announcement that the rotation window would be changed from two years to three years. I thought I'd ask about it here since this general occasionally has thoughtful and knowledgeable people using it and I'm relatively new to the game (have only been playing for about a year)

1. This is mainly aimed at anyone who plays Standard competitively (ie in paper), do you agree with the (stated) logic given for the change? That is, do you think that cards had insufficient longevity, and that archetypes weren't effectively developed over time in Standard?
2. Does anyone know whether or not this plan actually worked? Obviously Standard has been in a funk for the last six months but what about the other 24 months since the announcement? Did Standard really experience a resurgence in attendance and participation? I don't know where to find that kind of information or even if it could be found.

>"Let's put this emblem on a + ability on a Planeswalker with Hexproof!"
Please estimate the IQ that someone would need to make this proposition.

>>96966996
White has pretty much nothing going for them right now in standard. I barely even see them in ranked anymore.

>>96967303
>do you agree with the (stated) logic given for the change?
lmao

>That is, do you think that cards had insufficient longevity, and that archetypes weren't effectively developed over time in Standard?
It's a problem Wizards engineered for themselves.
Prior to direct-to-eternal sets ala Lord of the Rings, Standard cards generally could compete in eternal formats. Maybe not at the top, but many would trickle into the format as slight optimizations / sidegrade-options-vs-your-meta of tier 2/3 decks.
The introduction of direct-to-eternal products butchered the entire MTG pipeline. (FNM Draft the new set to get cards for your Standard deck, rotated Standard cards go into your Eternal decks.) This also came right alongside the Play Booster Hegelian dialectic "Let's create the problem of splitting packs into two shit products so that players accept the """"solution"""" of a draft pack price increase." trashfire. This simultaneously massacred the flows of both the draft-to-Standard AND the Standard-to-Eternal. Effectively, in just a few years WotC completely annihilated the entirety of MTG's gameplay ecosystem.

>Does anyone know whether or not this plan actually worked?
No Standard fucking sucks more shit than anything the AVGN would rather guzzle. It's the worst it has ever been, BY FAR, and the same is true for all formats that WotC curates.

>Did Standard really experience a resurgence in attendance and participation?
Not in my experience. Standard has been dropped from all stores within a 45 minute drive from my location. The only surviving support for MTG in basically my entire county is EDH weekends and SOME stores still do Prereleases. 60 card magic is completely dead in paper, from what I can see.
But maybe there's a Magic boom in Nebraska.

> I don't know where to find that kind of information or even if it could be found.
Go to your local game store and look, idiot. Use your eyes.

>>96967374
>Go to your local game store and look, idiot. Use your eyes.
I looked, one of them stopped running Standard but the other still runs it. But I'm looking for some kind of dataset that includes the entire customer base or at least all tournament players rather than just my relatively small city.

>my fetish got a card
Nice

>>96967396
>I looked, one of them stopped running Standard but the other still runs it. But I'm looking for some kind of dataset
Fuck off. Verificationism is a mind plague.
Trust yourself before data, which is often manipulated, frequently incorrect and almost never indicates the correct conclusion by its merits alone. You are the arbiter of your own good sense. Stop relying on other people to do the hard work of gathering knowledge for you.

>>96967396
>>96967425
Furthermore, yours is the perspective that is a valuable to you. You have seen one LGS stop running Standard, and another continue to run it. That is all you need to know.
Attempting to universalize your experience is a betrayal of self. You do not need accurate national data, because yours is the only community that matters to you. Work within where you are, as who you are, and act according to the things which matter to you.

You are the arbiter of your own life, and your life alone, not the billion lives of unknown faces. Act like it. Be responsible for what you embody, no more and no less.

>>96967422
God this slop is really hideous...

>>96967487
They didn't even get high res masters of the show lmfao. They're all fucking low-resolution shitrate piratebay rips it's CRAZY

>>96967506
Apparently it's from shit that Viacom sends out for all tie-ins.

Every time I play against lifegain, I think of stupid fucking evil women who "just want to feel safe"
You just want to feel safe huh? That's why you have to cheat? Fuck you you fucking hore

>>96967599
>Mountain enjoyer in shambles
Good.

>>96967616
I fucking hate mountains too and wish they'd ban them
There's nothing fun or interactive about "dump your whole hand turn 1 for a million damage"

>>96967616
Mountains are awful but lifegain is literally cheating

>>96967599
I rub my hands, because my Obliterator into Bushwhack targeting their huge Pridemate is ready.

>>96967675
Go fuck yourself

>>96967685
After you sacrifice 20 permanents of your choice.

>>96959694 (OP)
>TQ
well-timed TQ, I finished selling a bunch of shit I wasn't using on MTGO and tried to focus down on 3 decks per format, here's where I'm at
>pioneer
izzet ensoul
green devotion
golgari food
>modern
ruby belcher
mono white hammer
bant living end
>legacy
temur rhinos
oops all spells
storm
>vintage
mono white initiative
dredge
countervine
>pauper
cycle storm
goblin combo
madness burn

tried going for decks that don't need a lot of updates in order to do their thing and are reasonable different from each other within each format

stone rain targeting your-
wh-what do you mean "that card's not standard legal!"?
they ALWAYS put stone rain in the core set!
what's "foundations?"
this is some sort of bad dream...

>>96967694
Why are people so cruel? Do you enjoy causing misery and suffering?

>>96967705
You were challenged and found lacking.

>>96967599
>>96967637
>complaining about lifegain
Why? They're literally a free win unless you brick.

>>96967249
>Putting cards in your deck that interact with your opponent are bad

For WotC to think that Mouse is the problem with pioneer is deranged and completely separated from reality.

>>96967925
It's only a problem on Arena. In Best of One. That's where Pioneer exists right now.

>>96967925
The fact these absolute brainlet people left Fable, Annex, Nemesis, Leyline of Resonance, Heartfire and Rage still in the format without also not unbanning any of the cards that could make the meta more “fun” is confirmation they don’t care.

But is not surprising the UB garbage almost has no place in the format you can play already made lists like Cat/Oven, Azorious Control or Niv to light almost without changes and get success and you don’t have to deal with the degeneration of Manmade Horrors, they can’t cash cow the format like Stroontard or Memedern, the only good thing is that now you can play whatever shit without the tryhards and you can do it for free.

predict the state of standard post nerfs

>>96968219
Dimir is gonna rape for the next seven days but I think there's a lot of jeskai stuff in the Avatar set that should be able to shake things up

>>96968219
Battlecrier, Kona/Omnscience combo and UB midrange will be the new boogeymen of the format. That until ATLA and Firebend become official, then Monored/RX will return to be a nightmare.

>>96968219
Total Control ass fest.
Aggro was the only think keeping control in check. Control shits on the Dimir decks.

>>96968288
>Battlecrier, Kona/Omnscience combo and UB midrange will be the new boogeymen of the forma
UB Midrange preyed on Aggro and Aggro preyed on Control.

Control will dominate. WotC deleted one of the format's three pillars. It's like in rock paper scissors, if you delete rock it doesn't suddenly become a 50-50 metagame between scissors and paper.

>>96967869
Being able to build a deck based almost entirely around uninteractable disruption thats only able to exist due to a very small number of over tuned draw cards is bad yes.

man, these really do not look good

>>96968407
Understatement.
They look like total fucking shit and are some of the ugliest cards ever released.

>>96968407
In paper they look even worse.

>>96968407
I’m so fucking mad seeing the anime slop every time i enter on Arena now… Is hideous specially for those of us that don’t care or like Fagatar

Avatar was a really ugly show, actually. Its animation was not very good and the quality of its art was even worse.
Of all the properties to do lazy screenshots with, I can't think of many worse options.

>>96968422
No need to be contrarian. Avatar had great animation and backgrounds.

>>96968467
10/10

Wtf even is this art anyway? I can't tell if the red thing is supposed to be a woman.

>>96968398
UB's best matchup is control. The derpy Nova Hellkite aggro decks are so much easier to deal with than uncounterable hexproof plainswalkers and undying Curiosities.

>>96968475
>No need to be contrarian. Avatar had great animation and backgrounds.

Demon Slayer and Redline had great animation.
Avatar occasionally had perfectly middling animation. The backgrounds were fine but never amazing or exceptional. It was honestly a very ugly show in general.

>>96968467
FINALLY
BAD ART IN MTG
HAS COME FULL CIRCLE

>>96968666
I think your standards are skewed, Satan

>>96968671
>I think your standards are skewed, Satan
Show me one (1) example of Avatar having good animation and I will show you five perfectly middling shows with better animation than that.
For something to be good, it must be better than average at least.

>>96968715
>Not from the show
Cool thanks.

>>96968722
???

>>96968728
You posted something that isn't the show.

>>96968731
wdym?

>>96968755
Your options were to post the real footage or to not. And you chose to not.

>>96968761
what do you mean "not real", it's the production material.

>>96968782
>what do you mean "not real", it's the production material.
Pretending you don't understand only makes you look like an idiot.

>>96967599
Life gain is a terribly outdated nothingburger of a mechanic at this point. I sincerely pity mono white players because they have fucking nothing. They have no recovery, no draw power, no boss monsters no anything. The entire deck is essentially being propped up by ghosts and channeler. If you're consistently losing to life gain you're doing something wrong.

>>96968666
I disagree.

>>96968797
Substantiate your claim.

>>96968786
are you insinuating the keyframe was better than the finished product?

>>96968811
It's just good.

cum

>>96968817
That is not particularly good. If you take the best animated parts of Avatar, you get maybe 6-7/10 at peak animation and most of the show is 4-5/10.
If something is average, it is not good. By definition. Good requires it to be better than average.

For reference, the competition is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3gfvLqUXTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u4jNSIPzwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJ6FGJZKbk

>>96968864
You said 5 examples.
(Not dissing, I just enjoy animation)

>>96968864
I think your personal perception of "average" is quite above what average actually is.

No one actually cares how well animated Avatar is. Toph, Azula, Jew Dee, etc. are hot and that's what matters.

>>96968893
Sorry, I'll hold true to my word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vloKqx2qGAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DhH21yxTVA

>>96968903
>I think your personal perception of "average" is quite above what average actually is.

>>96968864
>>96968946
>>>>>5 *middling* shows
It seems your word was not kept

>>96968981
Well I, for one, don't think any of those are peak.

>all of a sudden mtg purists malding over spooderman are cool with avatar because it has sexy 15-year-olds on the cards
Is this really what we are as a community, EDHsisters?

>>96968988
there is quite a range between "mid" and "peak", wouldn't you agree?

>>96968994
Well they're closer to mid than peak. And if you get to pick the very best of Avatar's animation, I get to pick the very best of mid.

>>96969002
>>96968994
Okay that was a lie though. Redline is closer to peak than mid but the rest are otherwise.

>>96968993
Well we know the gameplay isn't gonna be good even in the actual Magic sets. Might as well take your victories where you can

3D assisted animation doesn't count

>comparing theatrical animation to TV animation as if they were equivalent
nevermind, your opinion is less than worthless

>>96969035
They are, in fact.
If someone went out and started calling a Big Mac "Good food" because it's "The best McDonalds burger", that is not a sound opinion to have.

>>96969038
NTA but you're retarded. TV and movies have different standards. Not even just in animation but live action too. This is something everyone understands. Standards are often adjusted for context.

>>96969061
>NTA but you're retarded. TV and movies have different standards.
So do fast food and fine dining.
Do you think fast food is good? Because some fast food is better than other fast food.

is this card slept on?
2 mana draw 2 in red

>>96967506
There are no hi-res masters, those were lost.

>>96969065
There is some fast food that is better than others. You can Google this and see people debating over Taco Bell vs. Del Taco or whatever so obviously this shit matters.
You are just an autistic faggot. Avatar isn't incredibly well animated but it's good for TV.

>>96969076
>There is some fast food that is better than others. You can Google this and see people debating over Taco Bell vs. Del Taco or whatever so obviously this shit matters.
Mdiwits lmao.

>>96969074
>red is going to have 8 cathartic reunions in standard

>>96969088
romantic rendevous is better than cathartic reunion, it isn't a deaddraw if you're hellbent, it's a 2 mana draw 2.

>>96969088
>red is going to have 8 cathartic reunions in standard
>in a format that was supposed to have Proft's
WE JUST CAN'T TEST CURRENT CARDS WITH FUTURE RELEASES

>>96969087
No, retard, you're the midwit.
Literally everyone understands that when people say Avatar has good animation they mean it's good for a westoid TV cartoon, not that it's up on the level of Snow White. You then come in and say "Oh yeah? How can it be good if an episode of Avatar produced in 3 weeks isn't on the same level as Redline which took 8 years to make with probably 200 times the budget?" And you think this makes you smart.
You are just a retarded, insufferable pseud.

>>96969098
>Literally everyone understands that when people say Avatar has good animation they mean it's good for a westoid TV cartoon.
Yes but that's like saying McDonalds has good burgers. It's either stupid and wrong, or a statement by someone who has no taste.

>>96969095
Only what, 12 sets in Standard? Imagine Vivi with all this shit and 19 sets in Standard end of next year.

Obligatory reminder that Proft's is one of the strongest cards currently in Powered Cube.

>>96969088
That's TLE, it won't be standard legal.

>>96969102
No one was talking about McDonalds before you. You have now dropped everything to just repeat "b-b-but McDonalds" over and over because the only point you have is some bullshit comparison to something no one was fucking talking about.
Sometimes I wish 4chan had IDs because this is the kind of disingenuous faggot shit that should follow a retard like you around forever

>>96969119
You are very stupid and incapable of processing language correctly.

Counterpoint: terrible animation outnumbers good animation at a nine to one ratio if you're generous.

That means "average" animation must be quite bad by definition.

>>96969128
>Counterpoint: terrible animation outnumbers good animation at a nine to one ratio if you're generous.
>That means "average" animation must be quite bad by definition.
That's fair. I can accept that.
To retort, in discussions of artistry I think it is safe to simply ignore the chaff and only consider things with some minimum standard of merit.
Maybe we have to include "The Magic Voyage" and not-90s Berserk in the list. But we certainly don't have to include Elsa Spiderman Finger Family, at the very least.

>>96969128
This. I find it really weird getting up in arms over the quality of children's television from the 2000s when Gen Alpha is effectively consuming the equivalent to beige paste from a tube. As far as I'm concerned, anything beyond that is closer to "peak" than whatever you seem to think is "mid", even if you think the distinction is more relevant.

Why did they put this cool original art of a character many like onto Lightning Strike and then put a low resolution screenshot of her on Lightning Bolt?

>>96969173
lmao

>>96969173
Because if they did it the other way around, nobody would buy the lightning strike. Now people will buy both.

>>96969187
>Now people will buy both.

>>96969074
2 mana draw 2 just doesn't cut it anymore. It needs to be a 2 mana draw 3+ that always draws you a fatty who will draw another 2+ cards.

>>96968786
how ironic

>>96964968
>>96965020
It is funny how DEI retards have no clue. In search of "inclusivity" they make blacks the villains and make a "good" setting worse by retconing parts of it.
>>96968864
Super Cube - 2025 chinese animation, slightly better than Avatar in relation of animation. Low episode count and use of 3d and new animation techniques
Mob Psycho 100 - 2017-2023(?) animation with medium episode count during season. The same quality of animation as Avatar but with better lines.
Memories - A fucking Japanese animation Movie made to go to cinema... Of course it would be better than Avatar. Those guys take almost one year making those. Even Akira is better and Akira is full of hacks.
>>96968946
Redline - The same shit as Avatar with Slight more contrast.
Perfect Blue - Another animation for Cinema...
>>96968666
Redline don't have better animation than Avatar. It is the same the only diference is that one have more contrast while the other is more "cartoony".
Demon Slayer is from 2020+ and besides 3d parts (that are good) it is an average anime.

>>96969383
forgot to add one of the few black people in og innistrad.

>>96969383
>Redline don't have better animation than Avatar.

>>96969383
>Redline don't have better animation than Avatar
This might just be one of the worst takes ever posted on the internet.

>>96969389
It genuinely bothers me how WotC are fine with putting black people on a plane where you almost never see the sun from beyond the fog and clouds, yet basically every desert-themed plane/area is exclusively non-whites. The only exception I can think of are the Abzan on Tarkir.

New Bread
>>96969505
>>96969505
>>96969505
>>96969505
>>96969505

>>96969472
I will never not be mad how they appropriated kaldheim

>>96969391
>>96969418
Talking on animation techniques. They are about the same, at least from the few videos I saw. You can even count how many frames Redline uses by the "shaking" of the animation. The only noticeable diference between them is the high contrast: colors and shadows.Other than that there isn't much improvement over Avatar. Yes it looks good but that is because of the contrast + the HD quality.
You can easily pick the key frames and notice the few changing addons to those (that gives the impression of movement) for the background and the 5-6 key frames for characters (12 - 24 when they are talking). It does look good I agree.
Meanwhile Avatar have scenes that doesn't repeat key frames (aka: most frames are uniques). Have good movement with depth on scenes and is really fluid.
It is no exaggeration to say that Avatar if it was remastered with ai (to make the line work tiner and with less noise) and to add more shadows and more contrast would look the same as Redline.

>>96969553
>Talking on animation techniques. They are about the same, at least from the few videos I saw. You can even count how many frames Redline uses by the "shaking" of the animation
Anon, it's 100,000 hand drawn frames done over 5 years. Redline is one of the greatest masterpieces in animation ever made.