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>>96965084 (OP)
Artistic cohesion index is calculated by dividing the percentage using the most common style by the amount of art styles used, rounded down. The highest possible score is 100. The second highest is 49. Your CYOA used five art styles for nine pictures, the most common one having three. Its ACI is 6.

Most possible builds in this CYOA will not use options with the same art style.

>>96965084 (OP)
HUSANON! I need new lolikeno waifu CYOAs. Please hurry!

>>96965179
Sweet irony.

>>96965185
Luvyna > Valierie

Post Danmachi. Do it.

>>96965179
Thank you ACIanon

If anyone posts danamchi their dick shrinks by an inch

>>96965084 (OP)
>Tokslop as OP
This is a tok thread isn't it?

>>96965230
>dude math is magic
>dude she’s a genius
We can’t trust a woman’s math. Count it again!

>>96965251
Women are smarter than men and that’s a scientific fact

>>96965264
I like women that are taller, smarter, physically stronger and nice to me

>>96965238
Luck >>>

>>96965290
>mommyfag is back
do you have a humiliation fetish anon?

>>96965305
no. Should I?
I am also not into mommies. I like women my age or a little younger/older. Mom age makes me think about my mother and that makes any erection disappear

>>96965304
This cyoa would've been 700% times better if Cazzo was a girl.

>>96965157
Artistic cohesion index is calculated by dividing the percentage using the most common style by the amount of art styles used, rounded down. The highest possible score is 100. The second highest is 49. Your CYOA used two art styles for five pictures, the most common one having four. Its ACI is 40.

>>96965319
It would've been 1000% times better if there was no designated protagonist who's more important than you.

>>96965084 (OP)
I wish magic and shit was real

>>96965319
Let me guess, to groom her?

>>96965316
Well from your preferences it can be deduced that you love to coddled like a toddler which is trait common amongst mommyfags. Age doesn't really matter in this case, its purely about the desire to babied by a dominant female.

>>96965367
Ranking of love options?

>>96965351
What? no, I would love and cherish her purely platonically- of course I would fuck her nigga, what kind of question is that?

>>96965358
But I am not particularly into dominant women. Just that they are nice to me

>>96965386
>I like women that are taller, smarter, physically stronger than me
sure...

>>96965290
I wish there were women who were taller stronger and smarter then me and also nice to me

>>96965402
That's the thing. I like them to be strong and smart. But not to be dominant. Just like... if you had to choose would you choose someone better or worse than you? Ideally I think almost anyone would choose someone better.
Also so my kids could have better genes

>>96965339
That's a pretty good piece, artistically. Magic doesn't have cute girls but some of the other stuff is nice sometimes.

>>96965304
Made for molestation

>>96965426

read >>96965382

Post Mushoku Tensei
Post Fairy Tail
Post Danmachi
Post Harry Potter

Post ALL that author’s slop why don’t you
Fucking faggots

>>96965372
Aelia
Anesidora
Serce
Katla
Tema
Fos
Delia
Mia
Vita
Agathe
This is the canon best wife ranking

>>96965441
Reverse Psychology?

>>96965441
I ought pin you to a tree and leave you there all day

>>96965316
>Mom age makes me think about my mother and that makes any erection crystallize*
FTFY

>>96965319
The irony in that would have destroyed the world.

>>96965415
>I wish there were women who were taller stronger and smarter then me and also nice to me

>>96965493
Blows my mind that people think Kiritsugu is a cool or mature character when in reality he’s just some pretentious edgelord who thinks he’s doing the right thing when he’s just not.

>>96965493
>he doesn't want women to be nice to him
yeah i think you really are a gay nigga

>>96965503
This but for Anon

>>96965325
That would make it a good cyoa, we can't have that.

>>96965503
The opening prologue for F/Zero literally says that he’s a huge fucking cringe ass dumbass. The only part that’s unrealistic is how he gets away with everything. He only won against a certain mage because that certain mage was an idiot.

>>96965441
Cute attempt danmarat, the answer is still no though.

>>96965493
My mother is shorter then me, weaker then me, and hasn't been smarter then me since I was like 10
I want to fuck YOUR mother, and your sister, and someday if you have one your daughter too

Kiritsugu. The edgelord that edgelords don’t think is an edgelord. “Oh the pain”.

>>96965503
>>96965533
It's not just the prologue, Angra/the Grail more or less call him a fucking moron too at the end.

>sacrifices wife for no reason
>this is a good person
lol

>>96965571
He's not a good person, the entire point, the ultimate mistake Kiri made, was no devoting everything to saving his wife and daughter rather than being willing to sacrifice them for some 'greater good'. The point is that Kiritsugu's massive mistake is the same one Shirou managed to realize and avoid in Heaven's Feel.

>>96965560
This was actually somewhat painful to read

So why are we arguing with thin air about Kiritsugu again?

>>96965415
>Not all of them are nice to you
>But one is, and she's the tallest and the strongest

>>96965590
No. The point is Kiritsugu could not think critically to save himself the embarrassment. He went out of his way to make poor decisions. He’s not a smart person. It’s incredibly unrealistic that he’s as skillful as he is.

>>96965601
Some dude is triggered by anons liking women even if they're superior to them in some way. It violates what he considers the natural order.

>>96965611
>Nuh uh the point is MY feelings about the work and not the actual intent behind the author's writing
Shut the fuck up you english associate's level retard.

>>96965601
Mommyfags seething at being called out.

>>96965610
>Only use horizontally narrow slices of your pics.
Insanity.

You can’t make everyone happy. A five year old will realize this incredibly early. The sheer logistics make it impossible. As >>96965560 points out (rather cringely), all happiness comes at the expense of SOME thing. Even the dye to your shirt is from crushing bugs for pigments, or ripping out flowers out of the ground. To eat potatoes you have to kill potatoes. This extends to being rich, and abusing your subjects for infrastructural (“greater good”) gain.

Kiritsugu has the brain of a four year old. He wasn’t even smart enough to realize that the grail is a trap.

>>96965624
He’s an idiot anon. Only edgelords who think he’s mature and realistic think he’s a good character.

>>96965610
Alternatively...

Kiritsugu and Kotomine sitting in a tree~

It’s fucked up how a goblet is a cup and not a tiny goblin

Fate is so ass. God you all suck.

Holy Offtopic Batman!

fateGODS are BACK baby

>>96963490
>>96963500
>>96963503
>>96963572
>>96963665
>>96963719
Taken in aggregate, it looks like there's a slight leaning toward Survival CYOAs, but much less anons have them as their favourite compared to either Combat CYOAs or Waifu CYOAs. Fascinating. I'll think it over for a few days.

>>96963521
I prefer button mashers, myself.

>>96963748
In my mind, a Combat CYOA is one that derives most of its context from setting the player against a target, usually in a sealed arena or violent predicament. A few examples of this are Peil's Space Hell, MiCha's Isekai Bounty Hunt, and that neat one where you're sent to slay a shapeshifting monster on a Greek island, but I forget what its name is now. They tend to have some overlap with Survival CYOAs but not always.

>>96965715
Can I report this?

>>96965537
At least post the other three.

>>96965723
Do you really need to ask, anon?

>>96965647
>He's an idiot
Yes, for the reasons I described.

>kiritsugu = anti-mommyfag
kotomine = pro-mommyfag?

kiritsugu had a wife and a kid. You all should strive to be like him

>>96965741
He’s an idiot because the writer thought he was smart but the writer was an idiot so what he did was he actually wrote a fictional idiot.

All the so called “amazing” characters in Fate are huge retards/jobbers just like Gil

>>96965769
Gil got the baddest bitch in cyoag. He won

Ffs, at least post a fate cyoa so we can pretend this is on topic.

>>96965764
>Me am hate writer!
No one cares, senpai.

I’d rather discuss rats

>>96965795
Why can’t you admit that type moon writing is shit? Nasu is a huge homo.

>>96965793
post DoaDL please so I can make a mommy build
>captcha M0MXV

>>96965723
What's the crime?
Art?
A splendid japanese Art?

>>96965723
you can report anything, anon

>>96965264
You got the stats upside down anon, men make up the majority of the highest and lowest in the intelligence spectrum, and on average have 5 more IQ points regardless of testing criteria.
By every measure except emotional intelligence, men are generally smarter than women. Biggest issue is that there are also more terminally retarded men than women.

give me a list of cyoag approved waifus

>>96965847
>Maron from Dragon ball
>Shera from How not to summon a demon lord
>Rias from Highschool dxd
>Mikoko Sakazaki from Kaiji
>Aro from Tg
>Angel from Tg

>>96965787
The baddest "bitch" in question is a man.

>>96965858
>literally who list

>>96965824
And you, sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?

>>96965843
>Biggest issue is that there are also more terminally retarded men than women.
While true, women are still the more insufferably stupid.

>>96965884
I put the source in the same line as the character

Nanite

>>96965290
I like women that are vulnerable and manipulable so I can easily dominate them while also being much more powerful than me bonus points if they are yandere for me.

>>96965992
that's... pretty sad. Likely from a complex of inferiority

>>96965813
>post DoaDL please so I can make a mommy build
Dawn of a Demon Lord
https://imgchest.com/p/wl7lkgzmo4x

>>96965290
I like women who grant me omnipotence, or at least invulnerability/unagingness/teleportation.

>>96965455
>Agathe last
Gay?

>>96965847
>Elspeth from everything
>Charlotte from Outer Reincarnation
>Narra-chan from Animus
>Polaris from Hearts Adrift
>Dido from Blood Magic
>Zynthia from Dragonfall
>Anglerfish from Anglerfish
>Pasille from Pokemon Personified Plus
>Yazata from JRPG Traitor
>Bloom from Entropist
>(You) from multiplayers

>>96966040
No, she is pretty but also would be the least likely to romance you (less points), the one that would care the least from a personal viewpoint (less points). It's a killer that cares little about anything else (less points). She likely won't cook or do chores. She could threaten you at some point. All of that balance she being the strongest option, but waifu wise? not much

If you had to choose only one to love, the majority of people would not choose her, and the ones that would, would be mainly because of her powers.

>>96966046
Is that just the most powerful waifus in each?

>>96966007
Once Exalted Conquest drops, I wonder what percentage of anons are going to pour all of their rewards in making their waifus stronger.

>>96966046
Add Lady Telling (Are You Still In Pain) and replace Charlotte with SRTR.

>>96966007
Sure but with my super powerful waifus under me I don't care

>>96966046
>Charlotte from Outer Reincarnation
Thanks for reminding me of everyone trying to redeem Charlotte while also fating her to kill her daughter

>>96966025
This is definite proof CYOAs are real, as the Danmachi poster obviously is living out a build of this.

>>96966068
Not really, otherwise you'd see SRTR, D, Alta, etc.

>>96965992
>>96966007
I don't like how much I have in common with this anon

Anglerfish is mine

>>96966086
I am pretty sure Gift wise Falista is stronger than Alta at her peak. And that the strongest Gift period is Bloom in her real form

>>96966074
I guess in escapismland its okay. But irl it isn't. I hope you get better.
>>96966090 and this anon too

>>96966096
Sure. Enjoy your eldritch horror waifu.

You only hate Danmachi because your build is a low level weakling

>>96966070
Depends on the mechanics and amount of points. It should be a viable tactic until certain point if the waifus are like in Entropist and can really carry you.
But against the endgame boss I doubt you can win with that. I imagine to defeat the Hound you also need personal power

>>96966086
I would put Charlotte above SRTR.
>>96966097
The author said this
>Another thing that was asked is a 1v1 tier list, but that's difficult to make. Gifts are summoned with zero souls, so a base Koryuu would lose in such a situation to Elaine simply because she would have no souls to use her abilities. There are many factors to consider, and do not account for other tactical usages a Gift could have. Rule of thumb: Alta wins. With proper support Falista is the strongest, and the one that could let you fight opponents much more powerful than you by helping her "ramp up". Koryuu is to guarantee victories and solve seemingly impossible problems. Say you encounter some super egregore mage that has an ability like Wonder of U plus some extra magic bullshit on top. You could count on Koryuu to beat him (if she has stolen enough abilities).

>>96966105
Be careful anon I also enjoy GTA I'm insane like that.

>>96966090
Don't worry bro here we can indulge in fantasy

>>96966074
>over time anon grows relatively weaker compared to his waifus
>eventually he's just an attachment on them... like an anglerfish male

>>96966123
Author said that SRTR steamroll everyone else.

>>96965847
Laheera Rose from Rise the Endless Desert (posted somewhat recently) is one of my favorites. Strong, powerful and beautiful, but still feminine and kind.
Also everyone is a bit sub or dom and it sucks that men get criticized for being either (if you are dom you are an evil exploiter, if you are sub you are a weakling).

>>96966145
...Why is there so much metaphysical fishes anyway?

>>96966123
>The author said this
I am aware. That comment started the "Big 3"
And it also confirms Falista is the strongest at her peak.
Bloom is not counted, but logically she should be here. After all she:
1. It's immortal. No ifs or buts. Can't be killed.
2. If her real form gets cracked, which needs apocalyptic levels of damage, the Bloom from inside gets out and does the equivalent of a magical nuke. Then enters again and regenerates.
3. She has 3 "forms". The perfect one being slightly below average for a gift. The real Bloom form that is stronger than the perfect form and uses spiritual attacks and the cracked form, that as I said its an immortal nuke

EA probably ignored her in this situation as Bloom is a gift only in name, as her nature makes her the only Gift not created by the Father, nor from your soul, and breaks several rules of the Gifts. Also, trying to scale an immortal nuke should be difficult. But logically she can't lose against other gifts.

>>96966139
Oh really? Well in raw power I believe it easily, with Charlie not being a real goddess and the other two not really being about fighting, but I would think Charlie with prep is stronger, considering she forced her to hide in her toybox.

>>96966163
She only lost because they were in a forum argument.

>>96966139
That's not what he said
He said she'd beat Charlie's ass if she'd tried the usurpation thing on her, and YMDR would just dodge it. It really could have only worked on JNPL.

>>96966138
More like a lion enjoying being served by his pride of juiced up lionesses.

>>96966168
>couldn't win against her Matterfag variant
I guess it's time to change god.

>>96966111
Potential > levels

>>96966179
The lion is still bigger than the lionesses. I am pretty sure anon would be 10x smaller than his waifu

>>96966160
>The real Bloom form that is stronger than the perfect form and uses spiritual attacks
When was this stated? I remember him always being extremely vague about what was up with the "real" bloom, same for the "flower".

>>96954059
Finished my build for Ultimate Grimoire, only took 2 threads. No Companions because they all suck, not enough waifus

>>96966156
It's the same one stalking (You).
>Goldfish is the infant stage where it doesn't need to feed yet.
>Anglerfish is young adulthood where hunger supercedes everything else.
>Glowfish are the twilight years, with the aforementioned fish mellowing out.
>Jellyfish is their 'dead state' where the ego, sentience and whatever else is gone. It will go through the cycle again.

>>96966217
So it’s an immortal polyp. Got it.

>>96966202
In her description. Cocoon Bloom, or as I call her, real Bloom, gains speed, strength etc... as she loses the ideal form. And her attacks gain precision and become spirit imbued.

>>96966217
The famed Ouroboros waifu...

The deep black abyss is a truly magical, horrifying place

>>96966235
We expected her...

>>96966191
Not really I dislike big women or gigantesses.
They would be more powerful supernaturally but I would still be bigger physically and psychologically.

>>96966217
how the fuck are you supposed to romance that shit

>>96966255
First, you compliment something you like about her. Like her eyes or smile! I know anons can give you the rest of steps.

>>96966242
Squid cyoa when?

>>96966230
Ah, forgot the spiritual attacks, just remembered the immense resistance, strength and the apocalypse if she was cracked, anyway I doubt the cocoon is the real bloom, considering how often EA referred to her as "the cocoon" rather than Bloom, and how wanting her to show her true nature, like protocol fulcrum did, makes something within her start bubbling.

>>96966260
>Anons
>talking to w*men

Squids are jerks. Octopuses and cuttlefish are nicer.

The reason some anons hate waifuchad battle harems is because they know that's much more optimal as a force multiplier than their selfish all power for me builds.
They intrinsically know the waifuchad defeats them.

>>96966284
That obviously depends on the cyoa but I think it's rare? Usually companions are overpriced not underpriced when considered purely in terms of utility.

>>96966284
False, the true reason is that hiding behind a woman in a fight is pathetic.

>>96966264
It's simply how I call her. I guess if we want to be right about it, it would be
Shell Bloom: your ideal version
Cocoon Bloom: the OG version of Bloom that we see
Real Bloom: the impossible being inside Cocoon Bloom that goes out when Cocoon Bloom is cracked, causes a catastrophe and goes inside again. This version, by the way, can't become stronger than she already is. Which means even from an ancient Gift view, Cracker Bloom is still an apocalyptic entity. Which confirms her origin is a being of supreme strength.

>I doubt the cocoon is the real bloom, considering how often EA referred to her as "the cocoon" rather than Bloom
Yeah, Cocoon Bloom is like her suit. A suit that nerfs her and that scales with your power.

>and how wanting her to show her true nature, like protocol fulcrum did, makes something within her start bubbling.
And it actually is something Bloom doesn't like. She does not want for you to become obsessed with her Cocoon form, or anything. She wants to make you happy using her ideal form. EA talked how Bloom would be happier if you just take her to see things and live experiences with her, she doesn't want the approach of Protocol Fulcrum.

>>96966284
Or perhaps they wanted an all-or-nothing duel with you atop of a burning church with cheesy one liners.
Fighting your groupies instead devalue the battle.

>>96966312
Bloom will be real and Bloom will be happy.

>>96966314
>The sky tells me... yes... it will be a Bloodbath! Prepare yourself Dark Sovereign, my eternal rival!
>Wait... yes, Alta, Drace, go fight him. I will be watching it
>Bro... our duel?

>>96966282
>cuttlefish
ravioli ravioli

>>96966328
don't lewd the loli

Ahem.

In nature, a human with prep time and resources can solo any animal on earth.

This implies that sufficient intelligence beats even sufficient brawn. This doubly implies that cunning casters > moronic martials.

>>96966324
Some people would be more hurt by this than cheating unironically.

>>96966312
The problem with Bloom is that my ideal partner would never tolerate rivals.

>>96966335
Martials are more intelligent, that's why they have access to weapons. Casters just means everyone else, so they are less intelligent on average.

>96966335
Look mom I posteded it again xd

>>96966338
Thats on you

>>96966337
Who?

>>96966343
Who do you think makes the weapons, retard? Who do you think invents the latest models, retard? Who do you think heads industry, retard? Who do you think funds them, retard?

>>96966347
You'll recognize them right away based on how insistent they are on not letting women come between your "brawls".

>>96966338
If you find it a problem that she wouldn't tolerate rivals, then your ideal partner would tolerate rivals.
That's the thing about Bloom, anything she does in her ideal partner form, is something you really wished she would do. Not just think once or twice, something you really wished.

Which is why I doubt you would wish for her to do something you call a problem.

>>96966358
>seething this hard lol

>>96966338
Just take lonely with the lesser tier, so the other are your subordinates without any feeling involved.

>>96966338
You don't know your ideal. She auto turns into it without any input from you. For example, if you were tok, she would turn into a futa dragon that looks like his cousin.

>>96966358
Tinkers. Not casters.

>>96966376
Machines and gadgetry have always been associated with wizards, anon. It’s very weird how you don’t know that.

>>96966387
>Still coping about his shit answer
lmao, you lost

>>96966390
Higher learning = magic/wizardry

So sayeth the Greeks and the Persians

>>96966387
the most famous wizard ever. A dwarf with a bomb

>>96966387
>Machines and gadgetry have always been associated with wizards
Damn, humans with no magic are wizards?! You are so smart.

>>96966390
Anon, you know the caster side will always move the goalpost and try to make everything in a wizard, as the argument by itself make no sense.

>>96966397
Black powder was discovered by Chinese alchemists throwing random shit into pots this is true. And we all know the Chinese are short.

>>96966374
I am surprised Tok didn't pick her. You would expect Tok to pick the most pleasurable option.
I guess he fumbles even that

>>96966405
Please update your history so you don’t make yourself look so ignorant.

>>96966416
He can't even be bothered to be consistent in his degeneracy

>>96966374
But I do know my ideal.

>>96966409
>no magic is what I say it is!
You’re hilarious. You don’t know what magic is. You still don’t know how one sided it is.

>>96966063
You just need to help her channel her killer instincts into something positive for you.

>>96966416
>>96966425
He also failed to take power word, so Entropistanon when giving him a walk blessed mentioned he couldn't be a dragon as his blessing.

Wizard.

>>96966424
We are obviously talking about real magic, but you already knew that. But good job pretending to be retarded.

>>96966362
If she tolerated them, then I wouldn't respect/love her.

>>96966449
Real magic? What do you mean by real magic? You need to actually clarify yourself here. One could argue that magic can’t even exist in fiction since it’s just a point of view. :^)

>>96966306
Not really they are almost always portrayed as close peers.
The best warrior in the world would be defeated by an army of his close peers.

>>96966310
Then powerfags don't actually care for actual power but about looking powerful?

>>96966462
No u

>>96966374
>For example, if you were tok, she would turn into a futa dragon that looks like his cousin.
Thanks for the laugh anon.

>>96966465
>Then powerfags don't actually care for actual power but about looking powerful?
You know it to be true

>>96966456
Then if you also don't respect/love the other gifts... just do as >>96966370 says. That way your ideal has no rivals

I always thought that dwarves deserved to be the bigger wizards than the elves.

Dwarves should be more academically inclined than the elves to account for their insane underground architectures and surprisingly modern-ish industry bases.

They clearly have sophisticated levels of scientific inquiry, and they're clearly more knowledgeable and advanced than any other race when it comes to this in most typical fantasy settings. It is 100x more impressive to hollow out the inside of a mountain. They’ve started the goddamn Industrial Revolution. The thing that put the white man ahead of everyone else.

Meanwhile elves live in tree forts or something. Also they’re stagnant just like China. Dwarves practically -need- magic to justify their very existence. You don't just shape earth like clay and pretend magic is gay and not manly.

Dwarves also have, y'know, BEARDS. What are wizards known for?

>>96966498
>t. manaless manlet

>>96966465
It's not about appearances, it is about principles. A waifu is a woman you love more than any other, someone you hold close and care about, the feminine to your masculine, the yin to your yang, the whetstone to your sword. Any man that would expect his woman to fight for him in his stead is a weak and cowardly faggot.

>>96966469
You are laughing at the idea of Tok's ideal partner? Shame on you, don't kink shame

>We falseflaging now
boring

Dwarves and elves were the same race in old enough European lore. Dark elves WERE dwarves. Elves that lived in the dark underground.

And Succubi are just vampires who were already demons. Who cares. No one follows medieval lore.

>>96966520
average OC-less thread

>>96965229
that's just tok

>>96966498
Except elves are better and more advanced craftsmen than the dwarves. The best things, the actual top 1% magical McGuffins and artifacts? Those are elf stuff.
Dwarves are more industrial, but you know who else is industrial? orcs! Industry is just about scale and standardization, not advancement.

Dwarves are close minded and conformist, stagnant and clannish. Theyre industrious, but it doesent take brains to sit there mining stone with a pickaxe.

>>96966264
By the way, what do you think a child with Bloom would be like? what traits would the kid inherit from her?
Would the child be "ideal" like her? would it be born as a cocoon? inherit something from the cocoon form? inherit traits from her ideal self? could bloom decide if its a boy or girl?

>>96966574
She can't have kids. Sorry.

Are there even many "traditiona; /tg'/ fantasy cyoa"? It feels like we get more anime/jrpg inspired esoterica nowadays.
More fox-people and demon-clan and less orcs, dwarves and elves.

>>96966574
I think it would inherit from the "ideal" her, possibly mantaining some small hint of his mother's true nature, just like Bloom's imitation isn't completely perfect.

>>96966611
Westernslop sucks. Deal with it

>>96966620


>>96966622
Not going to argue it doesent, but whats the point of bringing up generic !dnd-ish complaints in this thread when theres very few traditional western fantasy cyoa.

>>96966548
>Except elves are better and more advanced craftsmen than the dwarves
Disagree there.
>The best things, the actual top 1% magical McGuffins and artifacts? Those are elf stuff.
Depends on the setting. In most fantasy I’ve come across the elves are a lot less technologically advanced.
>Dwarves are more industrial, but you know who else is industrial? orcs! .
The Chinese are also industrial. Orcs are equivalent of Muslims given technology.
>Industry is just about scale and standardization, not advancement
I’m just going to ignore this stupid comment. I pray you’re not that stupid. Industry and infrastructure doesn’t just pop up out of a vacuum. Assuming that orcs or Africans could come up with that on their own is absurd.
>Dwarves are close minded and conformist, stagnant and clannish
They are absolutely not stagnant in the areas that matter. They are frequently the ones pushing science/technology forward. For some reason the only aspect of nature that isn’t considered… is magic.
>Theyre industrious, but it doesent take brains to sit there mining stone with a pickaxe.
Okay maybe you are that stupid. Please watch An Empire of Dust. “It’s all so tiresome.”. A China man shaming blacks in Africa for sucking at infrastructure.

>>96966586
All of them can.
>>96966616
I wonder how that would be. Maybe the kid when it grows up becomes hyperfixated in someone like their mother? or develop an obsessive love to their father like their mother? not sexual.
The result of such union would be the most weird of all gifts by far.

RACISM ALERT
RACISM ALERT
RACISM ALERT

>>96966548
>it doesent take brains to sit there mining stone with a pickaxe
Explain why blacks never invented the wheel :^)

>>96966649
Nick Gears

>>96966510
So it is about appearence.
Power cares little for pride the optimal path to power wins.

>>96966611
>>96966620
>>96966632
>>96966646
Criminally underrated cyoa and I’m tired of pretending otherwise. Fuck you.

>>96966611
Anime website.

>>96966676
Is about made up stuff in your mind, just like literally everything else on this general.

>>96966648
>Maybe the kid when it grows up becomes hyperfixated in someone like their mother?
Literally me...

Everyone in not!medieval fantasy is stuck in the 15th century but for some reason the only race that isn’t are the dwarves - who are instead stuck in the 18th century / industrial revolution as anon said.

>>96966685

>>96966682
And this is the warhammer/dnd board.

I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD

If the white man never went to Africa we could have had Wakanda. Think about that.

>>96965319
would you like a girl to be called cock?

>>96966690
correct that's why I humiliate powerfags when they start talking down to others

>>96966693
literally you as you are that someone or you are hyperficated in someone?

Someone post the Zimbabwe video

>>96966704
Is Wakanda the funniest fictional invention of the last century? I really think it is. You would get fired for saying that movie sucked.

>be Japan
>laughed at by China for centuries
>”y tho :(“

>be China
>refuse to adopt Westernization
>get fucked by Westerners

>be Japan
>adopt Westernization
>become first world power

It will always be funny to me

Are there any good racing CYOAs?

>>96966733
Japan and China are the Britain and France of Asia.

>>96966747
And who are we... sar?

>>96966734
There was an extremely long and effortful one that got less than five builds. I'll post it for you if I can find it here in an hour or so, though I warn you, it is not to everyone's taste.

>>96966679
It’s on the list of matterkike’s approved cyoas and so I refuse to read it =\

>>96966633
>Disagree there.
Who made the Silmarils? Elves or dwarves? Who made the rings of power? Elves or dwarves?

Its never the ancient dwarven super-artifact you have to find is it?

>. In most fantasy I’ve come across the elves are a lot less technologically advanced.
Which is irrelevant to who makes the more powerful magical artifacts. "dwarves have basic firearms" isnt going to change that its the elvish moonstone you need to find to close the portal to the demon-realm or whatever.

>The Chinese are also industrial.
Irl? Every developed nation is industrial, we exist post industrial revolution anon.

>They are absolutely not stagnant in the areas that matter.
Theyre stagnant in every area, they sometimes (not always) develop rudimentary black powder weapons or steam power before they stagnate.

>They are frequently the ones pushing science/technology forward
Like in warcraft? Oh wait thats goblins and gnomes. Warhammer? Oh wait that ones humans. Lord of the rings? Oh wait that ones sauron and saruman.

Dwarves are not generally particularly advanced. Theyre simply industrious because they have easy-ish access to raw materials because the live in mountains that they constantly mine. They make a lot of stuff because they

>Please watch An Empire of Dust
A documentary about how infrastructure decays in post colonial africa? Im sure thats very relevant to whether dwarves swinging pickaxes for long enough (which is what you actually need to carve out a mountain) requires particular advancement

>>96966664
But they did, Kush had chariots. Chariots use wheels. But thats also entirely irrelevant to "it doesent take brains to sit there mining all day"

>>96966763
One has to wonder how Gil of all people entered that thing’s good graces.

>>96966763
Catfag approved of it? I was not aware of that.

>>96966774
because the matterfag - like everyone else - didnt bother to read the gilshit and simply projected what they wanted to see onto it

>>96966633
>>96966766
>t. matterbitch samefagging again

>>96966766
>. They make a lot of stuff because they
have lots of metal ore. Not because theyre masters of the sciences.

>>96966766
>Who made the Silmarils? Elves or dwarves? Who made the rings of power? Elves or dwarves
Oh. Lord of the Rings. In that one the elves actually are technologically superior because they’re based on sufficiently advanced art is indistinguishable from magic logic. Same as the Dwemer(elves named dwarves) from the Elder Scrolls. They’re (the Dwemer) the most accurate take on Tolkien elves to date. Tolkien wrote the elves as representative of what he wanted us to be, while Mordor is applicable (not an allegory) to the abuses of man-made industry. Orcs are human in essence, not in-setting. The elves can work nature in ways other races just can’t. Magic in middle-earth is a matter of perception, skill and art, not glowing blue energy.
>Which is irrelevant to who makes the more powerful magical artifacts
Nah, it’s not irrelevant. The elves aren’t making inventions and breakthroughs that will radically alter the world the way the white man did. They are, as you say, lazy macguffin makers.
>its the elvish moonstone you need to find to close the portal to the demon-realm or whatever
This sounds like Dee en Dee slop. The most powerful nation of magic in the FR was a civilization of magi-tech users who could hop dimensions and trap cosmic horrors capable of eating the entire FR setting, into crystals, as a sort of Cold War threat against the gods. The elves had to resort to far more hoops just to depower a god. The imaskari could bind and trap a god more powerful than Ao. Granted they weren’t Dwarven artificers, but human artificers. But the techno-logic is still the same.
>Every developed nation is industrial, we exist post industrial revolution anon.
I’m pointing out that their isolationist and stagnant ways is what prevented China from reaching their own industrial age, and they can only copy the white man in droves, and never as good. Their shit just blows up randomly.

>>96966679
sequel never ever ;^)

>>96966762
That's cool. What kind of racing is it, though? Cars? On foot? I'm in the mood for some Mario Kart type shit.

>>96966766
>Theyre stagnant in every area
Nah. As >>96966694 said, the dwarves could actually push a few centuries ahead in a time where the 15th century is the eternal norm.
>Like in warcraft? Oh wait thats goblins and gnomes
Gnomes and goblins are based on Jews and Gnomes are just dwarfier dwarfs lol. Gnomes and humans are actually better mages than the elves in Warcraft. Gnome mages are Einsteins while humans are the heavy lifters.
>Lord of the rings? Oh wait that ones sauron and saruman.
Refer to my other post. Because you’re not wrong, in that setting. The elves and the maiar don’t see what they do as magic, it’s just art, or science/nature to them.
>Dwarves are not generally particularly advanced
I’m ignoring this because it’s wrong.
>Theyre simply industrious because they have easy-ish access to raw materials because the live in mountains that they constantly mine.
They’ve done what humans in equivalent eras could not. Without magic. Which is why it’s so stupid.
>A documentary about how infrastructure decays in post colonial africa?
Yes. When the white man leaves the natives take up the reigns. For some reason Africans cannot do this. Asians could. Why not blacks?
>But they did, Kush had chariots
>Kush
Lol.

>>96966829
>The elves aren’t making inventions and breakthroughs that will radically alter the world the way the white man did.
Except thats exactly what macguffins do. The crown that summons endless zombies or the scepter of infinite dragon control do a lot more to change the world than someone inventing the blunderbuss.

Theyre also just superior craft than the blunderbuss, an example of far more sophisticated capability.

>The imaskari could bind and trap a god more powerful than Ao.
Buddy Ao is the overdeity of dnd

>>96966783
But he did read it. He has typed an essay on it. Too bad Gil never saw it.

>>96966797
Repurposing and utilizing ore and metals in such a way requires education and scientific breakthroughs.

>>96966855
>the dwarves could actually push a few centuries ahead in a time where the 15th century is the eternal norm.
And then sit there forever (thats called stagnancy).
Dwarfs get to some point slightly ahead of their neighbors and then stop there, they don't innovate or advance.

>Gnomes are just dwarfier dwarfs lol
Gnomes are the little jewish nerds who make stuff, dwarves are drunk scottish shut-ins who dont. The similarities between them are "theyre both short"

>Gnomes and humans are actually better mages than the elves in Warcraft
>Azshara
The greatest human mages were Aegwyn and Medhiv, one of which got her powers given to her by others as a combined effort and the other inherited them from his mom (who had them given to her by others)

>I’m ignoring this because it’s wrong.
Except it isnt. The extent of "dwarves are advanced" is generally "well they have some black powder weapons while others dont", its literally fucking nothing.

>They’ve done what humans in equivalent eras could not.
Except they can and did? Humans have carved cities into mountains before. Fucking petra was made by some desert nomads.
It doesent take some great advancement or knowledge to do that stuff, it just takes a lot of time and effort.

Its like the pyramids, it looks impressive because its big, but the actual skills required are very low. Its just down to manpower.

>Yes. When the white man leaves the natives take up the reigns.
So not relevant to "it doesent take brains to dig rock" then

>>96966876
Smelting metal is literally one of the least advanced things. Humans have known how to do it since the bronze age if not earlier.

>>96966865
>He has typed an essay on it.
anon thats what makes it so funny, the essay has basically no relation to the cyoa in any way

>>96966917
>Smelting metal is literally one of the least advanced things. Humans have known how to do it since the bronze age if not earlier.
exceedingly retarded thing to say

>>96966611
I like anime/jrpg more.

>>96966848
I managed to find it! For the Thrill of the Chase is centered around racing back in another world's equivalent of the late 1800s, when diesel engines were first emerging. It has some very interesting mechanics, and it threads them into a storyline unlike many, but something about it didn't take off with anons. Myself, I'm not sure if I like or dislike it, but I respect the author's craft and remember it as a unique CYOA. I hope you like it, anon!

>https://imgchest.com/p/ej7mnwz2jyd

>>96967072
If nothing else, I would say it is a very thought-provoking CYOA. It's unfortunate there aren't more racing style CYOAs, especially since it's one of those things that most of us have probably done before IRL, but maybe that's why.

>>96966679
>Criminally underrated cyoa
Which is why it gets no builds and is only used for shitposting

>>96967085
Yeah, it's kinda cool to see how in-depth it is to what I assume was classic 1900s drag racing. Not my favourite aesthetic, but it could be a cool inspiration for more fantastical racing CYOAs. The war plot twist was also pretty cool.

>>96966284
usually I can do both

Boring waiting for OC. What is the newest thing we have gotten? That leddit interactive adaptation of rise of the dark lord? Maybe one of you bums can port some other good cyoas.

Every OC is destined to become slop. Notice how 100% of CYOA posted which got no replies were ignored.

>>96967308
>What is the newest thing we have gotten?
Tok cyoa

>>96967346
Great

>>96966917
>And then sit there forever (thats called stagnancy).
Centuries ahead of everyone else thobeit. :^)
>Dwarfs get to some point slightly ahead of their neighbors and then stop there, they don't innovate or advance.
>slightly
Inventing guns isn’t a slight occurrence. This is why dungeons and dragons has factions like the Harpers forbidding races like dwarves from creating guns and canons. Because it would shake things up. Dwarves are so advanced they’re the most “watched” race in the setting, lul.
>Gnomes are the little jewish nerds who make stuff, dwarves are drunk scottish shut-ins who dont
Lorewise it’s exactly that, though. Gnomes are hired to design and make the blueprints, but since they’re so few in number the actual construction is done by mostly humans and dwarves.
>The similarities between them are "theyre both short"
They’re both little bearded people associated with the earth and ingenuity.
>The greatest human mages were Aegwyn and Medhiv-
Yes. The guardians of Tirisfal. It was a co founded council born of both humans and mages. But the greatest magical nation (which led to the formation of the council of Tirisfal) was founded by humans, not elves. Elves visited the city to learn more about magic. Humans never visited their lands. It’s also canon that humans can summon more magic than the elves, who have more finesse. Elves were downright shocked at how fast the humans could learn it. Warcraft lore is stupid, though. I don’t know what to tell you.
>Except it isnt. The extent of "dwarves are advanced" is generally "well they have some black powder weapons while others dont", its literally fucking nothing.
I feel like you’re totally unfamiliar with just how far the Industrial Revolution and the Great Divergence placed Europeans way ahead of everyone else.

>>96967334
Played this, solved that.

>>96967359
>:^)
That's it, I'm sick of your shit. I'm calling you emojifag now. Kill yourself.

Matterfag has gotten lazy. He used to have better bait.

>>96967382
Obsessed.

>>96966917
>Except they can and did
Show me Ironforge.
>Humans have carved cities into mountains before
Barely. Lmao.
>Fucking petra was made by some desert nomads.
Are you really comparing cliff holes and caves dug out of desert aboriginals to fucking Ironforge?
>It doesent take some great advancement or knowledge to do that stuff, it just takes a lot of time and effort.
…That’s called advancement. You’ll need better tools eventually to do things you’re previously unable to do.
>It’s like the pyramids, it looks impressive because its big, but the actual skills required are very low. It’s just down to manpower.
Still not Ironforge. Also the pyramids were built by humans who were given high tech tools by ancient aliens.
>So not relevant to "it doesent take brains to dig rock" then
Blacks could never start an Industrial Revolution. They can barely develop their own languages. The further south you go the dumber they become.

>Smelting metal is literally one of the least advanced things
China’s early ability to make cast iron is frequently hailed as one of their areas of forte in ancient times. Damascus steel was seen as a form of magic and it even inspired Valyrian steel in Game of Thrones. Same with Greek Fire inspiring Wildfire. These were all seen as magic because they were so advanced.

>>96965847
i disapprove of all premade waifus, either make your own or you don't really love her

>>96967382
>OC became slop
>arguments became slop
>shitposter became slop
You're next.

>>96966948
Are those dragon worshiping cunts not a Church by any other name? Is black magic not a go-to to refer to literally any form of magic that isn’t white magic?

>>96967412
But then that's my conceptual daughter, not my equal, which makes it uneven and boring.

>>96967359
>The guardians of Tirisfal. It was a co founded council born of both humans and mages.
And *elves (but also politicians of other races scared of demonic incursion)

>>96967416
>one step away from buildsloppa
it's over...

>Also the pyramids were built by humans who were given high tech tools by ancient aliens.
Jeet madness

>>96967416
Syndrome would be so proud.

>>96966014
Nta
>XANA, lord of gifts
>Mutations
Fangs, Horns, Demonic Features
>BASIC ABILITIES:
Immortality
Territory
Status Immunity
Summon Demon Core
Creation and Removal
Matter Manipulation
Bulwark
>STATS
Attack Power: 6
Special Power: 12
Combat Speed: 12
Movement Speed: 12
Health: 8
Toughness: 6
Resistance:
>Abilities
Disguise
Elemental Magic
Illusion Magic
Teleportation
Scrying
Magic Eyes
Clone (x1)
Unique abilities (Revive)
>DPU generation
Death
>Minions
Arcane
Familiar
Orc
Mimic
Witch
Elven Druid
Dominator
Lich
Fallen Angel
Fairy Queen
>Core Guardian
Alice
>Demon Core Upgrades
Custom Minions
Territory Enhancement
Lesser Demon Core
Incarnation Circle
>Traps
Pitfall Trap
Gas Trap
Teleporter Trap
False Demon Core
>Servants
Dwarven Craftsmen
Alraune Apothecary
Spirit Enchanter
>STARTING WORLD:
Scar: The Eternal Battleground

I plan to make my base on an extremely far away part of the world, on one of the poles and underwater, develop inside, with less belligerant orcs created by my secondary demon core, teleporting invisible with my illusions and the mimics immunity to be localized to harvest corpses, both as undead fodder and to feed my demon core. I plan to start terraforming my area to make it more compatible to life in secret, while creating servants to create resources to prepare and gift to people I like, or to bargain the loyalty of people I find interesting, together with other offers, like eternal life or resurrection of their loved ones. In the meantime I will prepare to summon Grim, and then Seraphina.
When the situation becomes too dangerous I will planeswalk away, leaving behind me a more livable land and various treasures.
Alice will be set up in a trapped room with gas, or a flooded one, as she doesn't need to breath.

>>96966611
Going for a sort of hit and run skirmisher build. The type that harries the edges of large battles or waylays small convoys of enemy soldier's. Disrupting their supply lines and what have you.

Just not sure if I should dump the Soldier Levy's for something else. They're mainly here to bolster my numbers.

Contenders for replacements are:
>Wildermen
>Stalkers
>Knights of Turin
>More Cold-Wraith

Background: New Blood
3 Allies
80 Req
30 Special
30 Personal

Combat Abilities:
- Combat Training I&II
- Strategy I
- Combat Riding
- Ranger
- Whirlwind

Spells:
- Eyes of Akasha
- Cloak of Mists
- Breath of Winter

Allies:
- Fianna McKuen
- Darnath Anaxilias
- It that Came

Units:
- Vedyma (20)
M: Average
R: Very Difficult
N: 6
C: Weak
D: Good
Special: Blood of the Ice Witch

- Wild Hunters (25)
M: Fast
R: Very Difficult
N: 10
C: Very Strong
D: Very Good
Traits: Ranger, Stealthy, Mounted, Big Game Hunter

- Soldier Levyx2 (20)
M: Average
R: Average
N: 20
C: Average
D: Average
Special: Phyhrixium Armor

- Cold Wraith (15)
M: Very Slow*
R: Very Difficult*
N: 26
C: Very-Weak*
D: Very Poor*

Banes:
- Cursed

Boons:
- Youthful Existence
- Lucky
- Magic Detection

Warzone: The Siege of Drakehold

Cause: Obligation

Spoils of War:
- Nuptials
- Boon of the Pale Lord

>>96966679
Agreed

Do you have a build on hand?

>>96966970
Prove it.

>>96966766
The Kush aren’t/weren’t black-black. They just aren’t/weren’t.

KILL ALL WOMEN... in cyoas.

>>96967536
my mommy would protect me

>>96967540
>My mo-ACK

>>96967532
The Kushites also acquired their wheels and chariots from the Egyptians. The technology was introduced to Egypt by the Hyksos and subsequently adopted by the Egyptians, who later passed it on to the Kushites during their New Kingdom expansion into Nubia. The further south into Africa you go the less sophisticated you’ll notice the cultures become.

>>96967547
Reminds me why China didn't have glass like Europe did, which was because they invented ceramics first and so they didn't have glasses to help their scholars read and write for longer into old age, and so they didn't have glass windows to insulate their houses, and so they didn't have microscopes or beakers from a chemically-neutral material for their alchemy... all because they invented tea before they had wine.

TEA
BEFORE
WINE

>>96967547
>>96967567
We doing wikipedia battles now?

>>96967587
Nah it’s very much a discussed topic. The focuses and preferences of various civilizations and cultures leading to different rates and pathways of development is one of the most interesting aspects of humans. China and Rome were contrasting contemporaries for the longest time. And then they both went divergent ways, after their respective tribulations.

>>96967587
wikipedia cyoa when?

>>96967587
Interesting read:

https://erik-engheim.medium.com/did-the-teacup-hinder-chinese-scientific-progress

— The argument presented goes something like this: Since the Chinese invented porcelain teacups early, they saw no need to invent glass to have something to drink from. Europeans in contrast didn’t have porcelain, but drank wine rather than tea. Glass is not very well suited for hot tea, but very well suited for temperate red and white wine. With glass, you can see the beautiful color of the wine. Thus, Europeans invented glass for their wine drinking habits. Glass led to lens grinding, which led to spectacles, telescopes, microscopes, beakers, and bottles used in chemistry. In short, glass powered the scientific revolution in Europe and China got left out.

>>96967638
I'm sorry to say that you're posting a dead link.

>>96966622
>>96966682
>>96967001
You are all traitors of mankind.
The west and it's superior culture is what catapults humanity to the stars.
A post scarcity future with alien waifus instead of dystopian subservience to the selfish few.

>>96967536
No because some are my daughter wives so I must protect them so that they can fight at my behest.

>>96967638
Proof that technology and machine builds >>> nature builds.

The yellow man fears glass supremacy.

>>96967658
>post scarcity
Is this nigger for real?

>>96967669
Too much post-apocalyptic media consumption. Wait until they find out that everything is renewable and the energy crisis is manufactured to make money.

>>96967658
The west is literally about to fall to either arabs or jews, lmao

>>96967679
>The west is literally about to fall to either arabs or jews, lmao
>about to
Where is Israel shill when you need him?

>>96966611
>Are there even many "traditiona; /tg'/ fantasy cyoa"? It feels like we get more anime/jrpg inspired esoterica nowadays.
Quite a few, particularly among the older cyoas. JRPG races are just trendy right now.

Fulcrum, Hero Academy, Exiles . . .NSFW cyoas like Divine Trial, Fairy Gardener, and Pantheon of Pleasure . . . There are some that even pull from traditional mythology, if you want to go back to the original source material.

>>96967678
>Wait until they find out that everything is renewable and the energy crisis is manufactured to make money.
I agree as far as it is obvious that the attack on nuclear is to fuck up the best energy source available.
But let me ask you this: would you let me fuck and impregnate your GF?

>>96967715
Yes, if I get to watch and you have superior genetics? Everyone will be happy.

>>96967657
Weird. It’s pay walled, anyway. Fucking cunt of a website. “You have to pay for basic knowledge!”. Sickening stuff.

https://erik-engheim.medium.com/did-the-teacup-hinder-chinese-scientific-progress-fd55ed9498c8#

>>96967729
Cool, can I fuck you?

>>96967051
I love this one even though I loathe motor vehicles. Thanks for finding it, I had no idea what the author's name was
>Royalty

>Adrenaline
>Fame

>Mathematician
>Sprinter

>Aggressive

>Other (Motorcycle)

>Tyre Whisperer
>Ruthless
>Lucky

>Easily Distracted

>Wrath
>Pride
>Consumption

>Driver Rivalry
>Scandal Magnet

>Works
>-Ijevorna

>Isy Fields

>Safety Proponent

>Relaxation

>Vianne Harton
>Prof. Theorod Ongesson

>Lawyer x2
>Doctor x1

>Unstable
>Race-Fixing
>Dueling Rookies

>Mechanics Injured
>Buyout Proposal (Bonmarais)

>Promise (+2)

>Remain

>Lynton Brand

>Tyres
>Suspension

>National Sponsors
>Cutthroat Environment
>Leaked Secrets
>Sidelined

>General Strike
>The Disaster

>Victor

>Enemy

>Stay Out
>-Pro-War
>--War Racer

>Rivals, Again
>Traitor Within

>>96967734
No, I'm only into watching. That's why I read other builds and self-insert into other Anon's fantasies. It's hot when they pick the bitchy women because I imagine them stepping on me.

>>96967746
Tok...

>>96967638
SOME Chinese made glass… and a certain emperor (an ancestor of Puyi; ironically enough Puyi was also forbidden by his own court to wear spectacles commissioned by the British, even though he desperately needed them). commissioned hundreds of spectacles or something like that. It’s just, it didn’t take off…

I’m also going to remind everyone that hundreds of years before the alleged “accidental” discovery of black powder, by dabbling alchemists, an even more ancient Chinese alchemist recorded it long before them. Eight hundred years earlier. In a land where Saltpetre was *everywhere*. It was referred to as “Chinese snow” it was so common. It also burned a beautiful purple color. Why didn’t they do more with it? It was legit a magical substance and they waited eight hundred years, probably even longer. Was it some sort of cultural brain fart?

So, clearly it’s not an easy thing, to start a trend in ancient China. They were way too stuck in their ways, I suppose?

>>96967746
Exactly, post-scarcity is not possible.

no one ever pay attention to my builds, I don't think anyone noticed I made a mistake in my OR build and it was illegal. I'm sad.

>>96967763
I’m going to ask chatgpt about this

>>96967772
What would be the point of obsessing over the point managment of someone else?
You made a build to tell a story. I listened to that story. Little inconsitencies are meaningless.

>>96967776
CYOA for that feel?

>>96967777
WASTED
FAGGOT
KYS NOW

>>96967792
Incredibly based
>>96967777
I'm checking 'em

>>96967763
>forbidden by his own court
What kind of cuck emperor was Puyi? If I were an emperor and a bureaucrat eunuch tried to forbid me glasses, I'd have had him drawn and quartered. His position must have lacked any serious authority in the dying days of the Qing dynasty.

The anonymous post refers to the fact that the earliest possible reference to a gunpowder-like substance was made by the Chinese alchemist Wei Boyang in 142 AD, which is hundreds of years earlier than the definitive formulas recorded in the 9th and 11th centuries.

In his Taoist text, the Book of the Kinship of Three (Cantong qi), Wei Boyang described a mixture of three powders that would "fly and dance" violently, which is interpreted by modern historians as a cryptic description of gunpowder or an early incendiary mixture. At the time, saltpeter was known and produced in the region, supporting this theory.

This early mention predates:

1. The next reference by the philosopher Ge Hong around 300 AD, who also listed the ingredients in his works, the Baopuzi.

2. The first confirmed references to a specific gunpowder formula in the 9th century in the Taoist texts Taishang Shengzu Jindan Mijue and Zhenyuan miaodao yaolüe.

3. The earliest surviving complete chemical formula for gunpowder, which appeared in the military manual Wujing Zongyao in 1044 AD.

4. The first European reference to gunpowder by Roger Bacon in 1267.

>>96967792
Makes sense, sorry for whining.

beep boop beep

>>96967834
Hello Surinical.

>>96967803
I'm going to ask perplexity about this.

Who the fuck just names themselves Bacon?

>>96967865
What's wrong with it?

>>96967769
True, there is no scarcity to people with my particular tastes.

>>96967334
Fading into the background does not equate to becoming slop. If more people here tried to be creative with their builds instead of powergaming, they would find a lot of enjoyment in older CYOAs. Most over 2 or 3 pages have good replay value, and there are so many that it's easy to play one and forget about it for months or years, then come back with a new idea. I regularly revisit CYOAs that I must have built for over a dozen times. This is also why it's silly not to Sartre at all - with some imagination you can stretch a lot of choices for more interesting results

>>96967876
More like post-scarcity can't exist because reality won't allow it.
we can't stand in the same place at the same time; most people wouldn't allow anyone to rape them at any moment they please, etc.
People will always want things they can't have.

>>96967763
Another fun example of this is how the Romans had steam engines.

Maybe you guys could channel your world historical knowledge/research into some OC. I for one would treasure that. Do something about the technological paths not taken

>>96967912
Not happening. Otherwise we'd already have at least three physics-based CYOAs. It won't morph into a creative outlet.

>>96967912
Only if matterjeeta is a waifu

>>96967921
That's a damn shame. The best CYOAs rely on real world patterns, periods, fixations, objects, whatever - not the same old gay horseshit out of anime. I know you can trace that gay horseshit to something real but not without being kind of disingenuous.
>>96967942
It could be done!

All of this shitposting has given me a flash of inspiration. Thank you, anons, the next few weeks for me shall be busy indeed.

>>96967658
based

>>96967897
>>96967769
>>96967734
>>96967715
>>96967669
>semantics
please read the definition of post scarcity before you post your retard babble, thanks

>>96967945
>not the same old gay horseshit out of anime
Everything is old and overdone by now. Anime isn't really that different from the rest - sometimes you get pic related, sometimes you get [JRPG Traitor]. It's not a total loss.
That being said, I yearn for something more 'grounded' like [A New Job] or [A Century of War]. Or perhaps one more centered around the vibes like [Not an Adventurer], [Black and White], or [Surviving Your World].
Doing the same JRPG dance again and again got tiring. I think Surinical's latest was my last for a while, because the narrators being so out-of-touch with the actual tropes made it fun again.

>>96967912
>Do something about the technological paths not taken
I could get behind an alternate history colonization of North America. What would colonial wars have looked like between China and the Vikings? Maybe throw the Templars in . . .

Actually - while I'm think about it - is Lord Thistlewaite still working on his space colonization cyoa?

>>96967746
I just imagine myself getting fuck by other builds and self-inserts.

>>96968004
Post-scarcity is post-scarcity when there is no more want for things.

OC form Reddit

>>96968024
>he can't even be arsed to do the most basic research on what he talks about
instead of making up your own definitions you could have just googled what you were talking about anon

>>96968027
Funny that you post this right after anon was complaining about too much JRPG shit

>>96968027
>metashit
outrageousbears never fails to disappoint

>>96968043
Ironic timing at its finest.

>>96968019
Play Nemesis, then. It's literally all about making pvp builds, and then going after other people's builds.

>>96968047
I guess the author really IS a woman

>>96968039
So we already live in post-scarcity; I'm so glad.

>>96968009
Not everything by any stretch of the imagination, just mass market stuff that can accurately be described as slop. All the CYOAs you just mentioned bring some unique attributes to the table. Look at that anon asking about racing CYOAs - how many of those can you name other than what was posted? I know anime is not the culprit, I just have a particular dislike for most of it because it seems really prone to attracting powershitters. Lots of other things are overdone, as you say. Even those themes could be reinvigorated in combination with fresh elements, though. It's easy for me to assume that all this is the result of anons being boring neckbeards, but then I see people talking about stuff ITT and others and realize it's not the issue. Maybe I shouldn't talk since it's not like I'm releasing OC
>>96968014
That would be cool. I'm glad of the rich tradition of American alternate histories on /cyoag/, they are pretty diverse although most lean more fantastic than what you're describing

>>96967898
>the Romans had steam engines.
Maybe I'm in a cranky mood, but I'm not impressed by a civilization having steam engines. They're glorified tea kettles, and if you can keep water at a rolling boil, you can build one. Every Iron Age civilization should have 'em.

>>96968055
Nemesis is deep as a puddle. I want smart men and women to romance me.

>>96968058
Wo-woman!? l-like men with tits and without dicks!?

>>96968083
Some women have dicks, anon.

Where is Witch Awakening? WHERE IS SHE?

>>96968064
>Look at that anon asking about racing CYOAs - how many of those can you name other than what was posted?
Chariot and Quadriga, that bicycle one, Night Ride, and the unfinished camel racing one that Sand and ChariotAnon were working on.

>>96968130
Safely posted in Reddit. Go check.

>>96968132
Thanks for those. I wish I could say you fell for my clever ploy but I didn't remember any of those except Night Ride. Still, it's just an example. Undeniably there is plenty of untrod ground in CYOAs
>>96966734
Check these out

Oh my I just missed him
I can identify his typing patterns anywhere
Reeeeeeeeeeee

>>96968228
Tok...

>>96968228
Not that hard to identify mattersissy

>>96968228
Gil…

>>96968228
you can't bro.

>>96968228
Which "him"?

>>96968009
>Surinical's latest was my last for a while, because the narrators being so out-of-touch with the actual tropes made it fun again.
Which one was his latest? Surinical is prolific enough that I've lost track.

>>96968341
Spirit mask is the best right

>>96968336
Yes I can
I’ve spooked him before
“Reveal yourself” he said to me, but I didn’t

>>96968380
>Spirit mask is the best right
Are you're willing to die, rather than lose your powers? 'Cause that's the tradeoff with a spirit mask.

Anyone have Tomb, by Lord Thistlewaite, handy? I'm having technical issues.

>>96968389
who are you talking about?

>>96968421
if you mask gets destroyed by another mask holder, you're pretty much dead anyway

>>96968438
Of course, it's one of the neo-classics.

>>96968455
>Of course,
Thank you.

> it's one of the neo-classics
What are the others?

>>96968494
There are too many to say in just one post, but I am a big fan of Blademaster.
>https://imgchest.com/p/ljyq3van425
Esoteric and supernatural, without veering away from a martial feel. I like it a lot. There's a two page version floating around that can be posted in the /cyoag/ but the imgchest is too big for /tg/ to handle.

>>96968560
Of course you consider it a neo-classic. It's just that good.

>>96968442
:^)

>>96968009
The good choice is to tell them to fuck off.
The efficient choice is to throw both of them into the weapon and have no more future problems.

>>96968341
JUNGLE BIRD
>Wooden Mask

>Serpent's Gaze

>Masquerade
>Animal

>Beast Nose

>Toothless
>Eldritch Alteration

>Feathers
>Broken
>Spectral Light
>Forest Connection

>Jaliette
>Maple

>Clashing
>Dreaded Spirit
>Windows to the Soul
>Shining Beacon
>Mask Eater
There isn't parity between the choices in this one but sometimes you just have to love the classics anyway. I'm sure this guy would not compete with other mask hunters

Been looking for an excuse to post this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZonu8XsEs&list=RD5eZonu8XsEs&start_radio=1

Do not bring up Hazbin again

>>96968677
Anyone have a better cyoa for it?

Honor Among Thieves is weird. Why am I obligated to be a thief? The cyoa says I can make a custom companion. Why not choose a set of powers and just live a life of wanton debauchery? I’m not risking my life breaking into some magic Jew’s mansion.

>>96968711
>Honor Among Thieves is weird. Why am I obligated to be a thief? The cyoa says I can make a custom companion. Why not choose a set of powers and just live a life of wanton debauchery?
Because (you) want revenge. And even if (you) didn't, do (you) really want to live in a city controlled by a bunch of messed up demigods?

If it's the word itself bothering you, then you could always style (yourself) as an "outlaw", "revolutionary", or "freedom fighter".

>>96968738
Sorry - better quality version.

>>96968738
What was the file. WHAT WAS THE FILE. Was it something DIRTY? Was it something NASTY? Was it-
>>96968744
Oh. You’re no fun.

>>96968738
Don’t speak for me (you) twat

>>96968788
>What was the file. WHAT WAS THE FILE. Was it something DIRTY? Was it something NASTY? Was it-
If you want something dirty, Apotheosis just updated section of Tentacle Realm with new sex gods. The /trash thread has the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rg3sAb8Id8&list=RD4Rg3sAb8Id8&start_radio=1

Or I suppose you could just pick the succubus.

>>96968824
Apotheosis? I thought he was dead, did he troon out or something?

>>96968832
He's working on his big (NSFW) isekai setting, Tentacle Realm. Dozens of pages, unique bestiary, an entire pantheon of tentacled sex gods. . .

>>96968824
Can you stop trying to redirect people there?

>>96968870
>>96968876
Trash? Or various songs on Youtube?

>>96968845
>Dozens of pages
The madman, no wonder he disappeared.

>>96968908
Map page (which is missing from the Allsync copy, by the way)

>>96968920
Royal Revival - Bittersweet Victory path

>>96968920
Royal Revival - Desperate Measures path

>>96968455
>City-Centre

>Large

>Monument

>Statues (2)
>Gardens (1)
>Engravings (2)
>Information

>Statues (3)
>Paintings (4)

>Cursed
>Striking
>Preserved (1)
>Death Mask (1)

>Significance
>Prominent Position

>Harsh Conditions (1)
>Robber Bait
>Dilapidated
>Doomed
I love the way that CYOAs tend to treat inevitabilities of life as drawbacks. Thistlewaite is a way less strident example of this, but it made me think of the general thing. If you're willing to accept some of those realities, your other powers or boons can often be much improved. It's not even necessarily just death, but having to forge your own relationships or other totally normal activities that shouldn't prove an obstacle in the first place, let alone once you have access to some of what the CYOA offers.

>>96968939
>>96968963
Moving Forward

>>96968027
>Combat
>-3©: Class System.
>Choose a class from any game balanced around 10-30 levels. You apply that class to yourself as a level 1 character, and may level up.
What a shitty description of an ability. What the fuck is this supposed to mean, "balanced around 10-30 levels"? And at any rate, a "reference any X from any work of fiction" kind of prompt really makes me want to stop reading a CYOA.

The "you may change your race into a traditional fantasy race" option also - okay, I decide I'm an omnipotent god and nothing else matters? Is that too much? Then why the fuck didn't you describe the options explicitly?
It's like the author didn't think for 10 seconds what the experience of actually playing this CYOA would be like.

Meanwhile I actually really like the choice format and the visuals. A pity that the author has zero sense for mechanics and UX.

>>96968027
actual slop

>>96969134
>balanced around 10-30 levels

I think it's intended to be something like DnD or Pathfinder power-wise.

>>96968951
>I love the way that CYOAs tend to treat inevitabilities of life as drawbacks. Thistlewaite is a way less strident example of this, but it made me think of the general thing. If you're willing to accept some of those realities, your other powers or boons can often be much improved. It's not even necessarily just death, but having to forge your own relationships or other totally normal activities that shouldn't prove an obstacle in the first place, let alone once you have access to some of what the CYOA offers.
In some cyoas, I do think it makes sense to buy them, though. Using a couple of older examples:

*In Conduit, I could see rookies getting traumatized by their sudden access to other realities, parricularly if they took Unwanted Guest (etc), which turns the other reality hostile (until bought off). Unless you somehow had meta knowledge, the gentler intro is probably more conducive to mastering your powers.

*In Pirate's Life - which I think you posted the other day - the companions are from an elite, background-checked pool provided by the pirate god. Sure, you could go recruit staff once the CYOA ends . . .However you'd have to vet them yourself, from an inferior skill pool, and it might take a while to fill out a full roster.

*In Divine Trial, many of the companions won't be available once the cyoa ends. They'll either be behind dimensional barriers, or just dead. And whom you pick really becomes a personal statement - who to save, what values/vices to endorse . . .

Hmm . . .that became a bit more about companions than I expected. Oh well

>>96969134
>The "you may change your race into a traditional fantasy race" option also - okay, I decide I'm an omnipotent god and nothing else matters? Is that too much? Then why the fuck didn't you describe the options explicitly?
Do you really need "elf, dwarf, hobbit/halfling, gnome, orc . . ." spelled out? And what traditional fantasy setting has omnipotent gods hanging around? If they're just shooting the breeze at the local bar, why would anyone need a band of plucky adventurers to oppose the evil cult or the rampaging horde?

>>96968677
Anyone else think this got way too big to handle for a bunch of thieves?

>>96969392
>Do you really need "elf, dwarf, hobbit/halfling, gnome, orc . . ." spelled out?
Elves may vary from human-level jobbers to ageless Warhammer supermen. The cyoa provides you a limited budget, which you should use to the greatest effect in making a strong build. Making a strong build means that there's no reason to pick to be a hobbit, are you serious? But thinking this way inches one closer to picking to be omnipotent gods, which is stupid. There's no clear threshold at which you're supposed to stop.

>And what traditional fantasy setting has omnipotent gods hanging around? If they're just shooting the breeze at the local bar, why would anyone need a band of plucky adventurers to oppose the evil cult or the rampaging horde?
Elder Scrolls for example (Vivec and Talos). (It's been a long while since I hanged around TES discussions but) IIRC they don't intervene much because they don't want to, they see themselves like authors in a collaborative art project, which is the world. But I don't think the particulars matter here. Let's say I didn't say "omnipotent" but just, extremely powerful. My point is that letting the player pick "any X from any work" or similar is always incompatible with the optimization process at the heart of any normal cyoa.

>>96969454
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with solvefagging in general, I truly don't. But when you try to solvefag even simple lighthearted one-pagers it becomes solve-cancer, and there is everything wrong with that.

>>96969508
But then why does it provide a budget? A budget is for economic use, you're supposed to get the most bang for the buck.

>>96969449
Things have definitely gotten out of hand.