Thread 96966500

Somebody else's headcanon edition

>Previous Heresy: >>96952185

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
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『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
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>Legions Imperialis Army Builder
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>Thread question:
Do you actually play 3.0 or what is preventing you from doing so?

First for Orks.

Thought about giving my World Eaters some warhounds, thought it would be nice and fluffy. Thoughts?

>>96966500 (OP)
>Do you actually play 3.0
As of recently? Yes.

>or what is preventing you from doing so?
An hours(+) drive either way. It doesent stop me, but it makes it less a "go as much as possible" situation

>>96966500 (OP)
Think this will be the first edition where I become a nogames. Just not vibing with it, its not the edition for me. I can wait 2.5 years for 4.0 :)

>>96966558
I like it

>>96966558
I'm stealing this idea.

>>96966500 (OP)
>do you actually play 3.0
No
>what is stopping you
4 turn games, false-line-of-sight and casualty removal, invisibility-field-terrain, end of turn objectives, line/vanguard, melee WS chart, stupid precision toughness rules, terrible unit balance and legion balancing and wargear balancing, bland lifeless missions, every single interesting unit requiring 3x too expensive resin kits or waiting months for bubble-filled recasts, mindless rhino/LR rushing, entirely non-viable deepstrike, personal dislike of templates (the only thing 40k improved game by removing - made much worse in HH when units don't get 1 flamethrower but can have to measure for 10 flamethrowers per squad), horrible vehicle system in 3rd making AV14 essentially immortal, dumb status minigame, terribly made challenge minigame where only Finishing Blow and Seize are used and it's just who charged with the meatier character gets to choose the 1 good gambit so other guy can't have it and auto-wins.

Legacies took the army-building from like 3/10 to 6/10, but GW has done nothing to raise the core rules from their shitty 3/10 state since launch and never will until possibly 4th edition. 3rd is a straight downgrade on rules compared to 2nd, 2nd's problem is just dumb codex balance.

>>96966500 (OP)
I don't got an army and don't know what legion to play as, I can't pick a favorite

>>96966500 (OP)
>TQ
Shits in resin
No muscles

>>96966817
>personal dislike of templates (the only thing 40k improved game by removing

>>96966827
templates are fine in video games because you can instantly get the exact coverage numbers, they're shit when spammed in tabletop, removes all the fun and slows everything down having to place 10 different flamethrowers, count how many all 10 are touching and have opponent look over and count how many hits he thinks for all 10 as well and argue if it's a few more or a few less because its a couple millimeters tilted.

They're like rerolls. Rerolls improve the game if it's a rare special thing for elite units, rerolls make a game complete dogshit if half the units in every army are rerolling which slows the game down and mathematically could've been equalled with zero rerolls by just using a better dice system like D20s. One flamethrower template on a titan or superheavy battletank? Awesome. Having to slow game down for 20-40 meaningless low damage 3" AP-shit and AP-shit flamethrower templates? Sucks donkey cock and absolutely not worth wasting an hour driving to store and back, packing your army, having to setup and repack it and come back.

>>96966500 (OP) Yes i do ! I had my first game over 2500 pts today, vs ultramarines, playing the first wave scenario. I won but damn the suzerains are insane killing machine, the slaughtered my gravewardens and praetorian retinues like they were nothing

>>96966866
Didn't ask, don't care, you're wrong. I hope you die violently and painfully, as soon as possible would be preferred.

>>96966500 (OP)
Did Khan lose an eye during SoT? He's just like his best bro now lol.

>>96966866
Idk, my opponent had a 10 man flamer squad firing crossfire through two of my units and that shit was really fun.

(it was 29 hits on one unit and "only" 12 on the other)

>>96966866
It must really suck being that gay and stupid.
My condolences.

>>96966817
>terrible unit balance and legion balancing and wargear balancing

Anyone here used Veteran Breachers?

Banestrike is a disappointment. It's both overcosted and too weak. Half of that problem is the Weapon Lists being written with the ass, so a thunder hammer is +5 pts over a power weapon for a regular officer, but +10 over a power weapon if the same officer is wearing terminator armour. So it is that both a bolter and a combi-bolter both cost the full +10 pts to get a combi-X.
Am I too delusional into thinking banestrike bolters, which costs 2.5 times as much as volkite chargers, should kill twice as many MEQ? ;__;

>>96966866
>slows everything down having to place 10 different flamethrowers
JFC either a no games or someone whos IQ is in a competition with the thermostat in winter and losing.

>>96967045
Theyre better into TEQ right?
Also you have to consider the full cost of a model.

If a 5pts weapon kills 1 dude, a 10pts weapon shouldnt necessary kill 2 dudes because the cost of the model isnt "5" or "10" but probably closer to "20" and "25". So thats a 25% pts increase for 100% more damage.

>>96967045
Banestrike combi bolter tactical vets + Divination librarian is a pretty good combo.

>>96966817
lots of valid complaints but templates are awesome you should go get your head checked anon

>>96967056
Well they sound like a tourist from 40kg, so most likely both.

>>96967069
And GW managed to actually make blast not fucking shit this edition with the change to blast rules which really did help out a lot.

>>96966817
DESU the issue with 3.0 is that
>Core rule
5/10
>Liber rules
3/10

This is peak GW though rather hten fixing the issues of 2.0 they throw the baby out with the bathwater every fucking time.

>>96967099
But they did fix (most of) the issues with 2.0.

They fixed legion balance (ish), they fixed samey deathstar characters, they fixed dreads and vehicles, they fixed the weapon balance gravitating towards one size fits all units, they fixed "big guns" not having a point, they fixed reactions. They fixed transports being useless most of the time.

>>96966500 (OP)
Played almost as much 3.0 now vs all of 2.0 (minus ZM) once the cheese settled in for 2.0.

Local community is fully revived and new peeps playing.

>>96966881
based game haver

>>96966870
Playing actual games with painted hams in this thread, what a chad.

>>96967112
They fixed 2.0 issues by either removing the part of the game that had that issue in it, or just creating a new set of issues.
Between 2 and 3, i would honestly say 2 was a better base, but just needed some polish, 3.0 just set the clock back to a new set of issues to fix.

3.0 does somethings i personally really fucking like
>Vehicles not being shit
>List building is a lot more fluid all be it more annoying to do.
>Blast rules are not shit
>Volley fire is cool
>Gun down is cool
>Removing brutal

But it also does a lot of shit really bad if not worse then normal, that includes but not limited to
>character challenges being wastes of time
>WS chart still shit.
>2d6 drop the highest charge is fucking ass
>Heavy has way to many down sides
>Legion balance is still fucked
>4 turns
>horribly inconsistent profiles
>Got caught red handed trying to squat units and had to panic launch the legacy PDF which still is filled with issues.

3.0 is just OK but it would have been monumentally better if it was just 2.5.

>>96967195
>>character challenges being wastes of time
Challenges are great and no longer just a trap where sgts waste your time.

>>WS chart still shit.
WS matters in a game where unit profiles are 99% the same, this is good.

>>2d6 drop the highest charge is fucking ass
More consistent charges are good.

>>Heavy has way to many down sides
Heavy is fine.

>>Legion balance is still fucked
The best its every been, every legion is playable and can play other legions with the expectation of a game/contest.

>>4 turns
Its been this way since 2e

>>horribly inconsistent profiles
Profiles are largely the same as before?

>>Got caught red handed trying to squat units and had to panic launch the legacy PDF which still is filled with issues.
>promise they will release legacy pdf
>release legacy pft
>caught red handed
?

>>96967195
If I had to play a single game more of 2.0 with cunts spamming reactions on the most meta units I was going to sell all my HH and move on. It was that bad and I played from 2014 1.0 and helped build 2 seperate gaming communites in my local area during that time.

Reactions spam and the abysmal legion ROWs imbalance + OP units was opressive in 2.0.

>>96967195
Life must be hard when you're this fucking delusional.

>>96967226
>Challenges are great and no longer just a trap where sgts waste your time.
Challenge system should be removed, its fucking stupid, it only exists for speical bullshit characters whos only bonus IS being the duels. Just let our fucking deathstars all swing into each other.
>WS matters in a game where unit profiles are 99% the same, this is good.
No its not. WS4 Vs WS5, the WS5 should hit on a 3, and the WS4 should still hit on a 4, not a 5. Its what makes WS5 so fucking oppressive.
>Heavy is fine.
You play AL dont you?
>The best its every been,
Answered that for me i see lol
>Its been this way since 2e
Ok i see your gas lighting
gr8 b8 i r8 8/8

>>96967235
Reactions and ROW balance were some of the biggest issues i agree, and the reaction issues is fixed when you simply say. "This unit can only react once a turn" no more "lol my HSS can fire 3 times in your turn." bullshit.
2.0 RoW problem children were very easy to identify at the very least. Again im not denying it was a problem, but it could have been fixed rather then scrapping it all and redoing it.

>>96967242
>Points out the things he likes in 3.0
>Also points out the things he does not like in 3.0
>OMG you are delusional.
You know its possible to have different opinions other then consoom the latest GW thing anon.

3e killed our local community
we used to have monthly events that had 8+ people attending regularly
now it's down to 2 or 3
good thing I cultivated a group of 5 other friends to play 1e with

>>96966500 (OP)
anons what do you do when you lost all drive to paint because your just not having fun with the game anymore?

everyone knows 3.0 lovers are secondaries or tourists, they never experienced a good GW game in all 18 years of their lives

>>96967280
For me its a matter of, its the canary in the coal mine of GW putting HH onto the 3 year cycle and guess what, i dont wanna have to learn a new fucking game every 3 years where they reinvent the wheel, and i have to take a chance to see if the 2 armies i spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on is going to be dog shit, OP broken or if im lucky middle of the pack.

>>96967284
Fond a different game

>>96967293
>everyone knows 3.0 lovers
I def dont LOVE 3.0, i think its OK, and it does somethings pretty OK but overall i think its sub par compared to 1.0 and 2.0

>>96967284
I feel you anon, same boat. I'm just working on cool stuff in my backlog because I know I don't want to play... and if I want to play I'll just play with a homie that's down for whatever. So vibes driven hobby instead of games driven hobby.

>>96967298
>Just abandon the hobby you spent untold money and time on.
I guess what do you do when the hobby you like is slowly eroding away from teh thing that got you into it? 3.0 is starting to feel like 7th->8th ed 40k all over again.

Hey all, I was wondering how you fill gaps in resin models? Part of me wants to say fuck it but the other side of me is wants to get better-cause why not? Plus, I like the MKIII Champion, he just looks cool.
Tips with putting together resin? I’ve been washing my hands and making sure I’m not breathing any dust particles.

>>96967310
I have had 2 half painted rhinos i literally can not find the drive to want to paint. Like i based out all the colors and i just need to do the metalics and shit on it but i cant bring my self to want to do any of it because im just not really having a lot of fun in 3.0 any more.
Random hound pic of mine for shiggles.

>>96967315
>sunk cost fallacy
spending more money on something won't make it better, marrying the girl who you hate won't save your relationship
just diversify to a smaller scale game with a smaller barrier of entry (trench crusade, kill team etc) or swap to a wildly different faction for ZM games

>>96967320
you can use hot water to make it a little malleable

>>96967325
Its a cool hound anon. I get it. Its also ok to take breaks. 3.0 killed my hobby mojo and a lot of others... then it came back. Work on cool shit you like don't force yourself to paint rhinos you don't care about.

>>96967284
stop painting and do something else for a while.
>>96967315
I ask myself that very question every time I look at my mini's...

>>96967355
There is def a project i have had in mind but its a matter of finding the resolve to do it. would be completely hh unrelated at least in terms of making something for the table top.
Might do that.

>>96967376
I burnt out after my 1.0 army got invalidated into 2.0 and my next project (ZM focused) got invalidated a year later. Spent 2 years working on terrain...

>>96967391
>terrain
Honestly thats one of the few things i really find as a safe bet for putting a lot of effort into and getting into because people always need boards.

>>96966817
>invisibility-field-terrain
Obscuring is the best rule GW added. Playing tables loaded with terrain that didnt matter was stupid if you just shot everything all the time.

>>96967454
NTA but that terrain rule is a great example of what im talking about whenever i bring up that GW will constantly reinvent a rule they already had in the past, but make a shittier version of it.
the 3" in terrain and you cant see them is a horrible fucking rule, however, GW fixed this in..... i think it was 4th?
Basically as long as your LoS went through less then 6" of terrain from model to model you would see each other in cover and shoot each other. You still got cover saves but you could not do shit like "Hehe my guys are 3" in you cant see them despite having full ass LoS" With 6" it made it so you could not do that. Because its very hard to find 6" deep terrain, but its not hard to have terrain that is overall 6" wide so you cant shoot through it and it still works as LoS blocking.

>>96967315
Use the minis you already built and painted with another game, anon. I know this may be hard to accept, but you dont have to use official models for the game your playing. This may be hard to accept, but some games dont even have official models!

>>96967493
You know you can just agree to change to rule? We have a lot of oblong terrain that is 3" wide but more in length. We just agree you can see in/out but not through.

I don't care it doesn't fix the actual rule because we're playing games.

>>96967062
>Better against termies
Yes. But they're literally the same as 2x regular combi bolters, which are better than volkite chargers against termies, and those are free
>So thats a 25% pts increase for 100% more damage.
Oh true. Glad I asked then lmao

>>96967068
I net it's going to go great on a BS6 character from Paragon of Battle. Critical shots will count as having rolled a 6 to wound as well, right? At 2D? Big kill

You think they’re going to eventually produce praetors and centurions like they do with Lieutenants in 40k?
I’d like to have variety

>>96967242
Shut up pussy no games.

>>96967226
>Challenges are great and no longer just a trap where sgts waste your time.
They're straight up ass. They were solved before the edition even released. Total time waster and shallow. Our group doesn't even bother anymore.

>>96967235
I played over 100 games of 2.0 and never experienced this even a single time. I think only one of the groups I play in even bothered to houserule it. Have you considered that the problem is that you're a disgusting subnormal that plays with other disgusting subnormals?

>>96966500 (OP)
>>Thread question:
>Do you actually play 3.0
Yes

>>96967846
sorry your gaming group doesn't know how reactions work and forgets to use them thus bypassing 2.0 worst rules addtion, or have ever seen simple slightly optimised lists. Your choice of derogatory words does however flag you as a basic bitch though, so that checks out.

>>96966500 (OP)
>Do you actually play 3.0 or what is preventing you from doing so?
Minimum I play bi-weekly but I try to get at least one game in every week

>>96967759
Agreed for the most part.
I want to think I'm missing something, but my reasoning is:
1. If you can survive one normal hammering, choose Finisher.
2. If you aren't sure, Seize

However I actually did like duels before. Especially with Instant Death being the equalizer between big and small. Against unwieldy officers, Sergeants needed to get lucky...but they needed to get lucky only once.
Now it is mathematically impossible for sarges to kill officers. But I guess that's what people asked for.

>>96967846
>I played over 100 games of 2.0
Woah! I bet you have lots of game and army pics to share with us then :)

None of you have gotten farmed by a taunt and bait spamming combat character and it shows

>>96968026
>taunt and bait spamming combat character
What even is that, anon? Actual question. Like, an officer with no hammer?

>>96967112
they didn't fix a single one of tthose things.

>>96968026
>taunt and bait
>give up your WS, give up your attacks
>if you win you get a vexilla, a 10 point upgrade, though normally you just die every single time to Finishing Blow +1 strength +1 damage and not sacrificing WS
Retards on 4chan aren't even good at trolling. You can't even figure out how to be believable.

Thinking of painting up some Solar Aux inspired by Interwar US uniforms. I *think* I am inclined to just do all the armor drab green with the fatigues blue. However part of me thinks it may just look a bit muddled. Any thoughts? Ideas?

Pic related.

Gambits
>SOVLFVL
Grandstand
Test The Foe

>SOVL
Faction-specific Gambits
Character-specific Gambits
Guard Up
Flurry of Blows

>SOVLLESS
Everything else

>>96967759
>Our group doesn't even bother anymore.
Like wise and if we do, we just do the old challenge system.
I feel like the 3.0 challenge system really only works for big named characters not random preator mooks.

>>96968026
Had an opponent hit taunt and bait once with their archmagos into my praetor, hammer vs hammer. He lost focus, got smacked for 1 damage and lost.

>>96968134
Why guard up? Seize. If you can't seize, Finisher. If you can't finisher, Seize. Life's so easy 8^)

>>96966500 (OP)
>Do you actually play 3.0 or what is preventing you from doing so?

I played it a few times.less then 20, more then 10. Came to th conclusion that the handicap of no line/venguard and the lack of ability to score, contest combined with new LoS rules, makes playing a fully mounted White Scar army an expiriance similar to shoting yourself in the dick for 2+ hours. I have a small hope that maybe GW ends up releasing some book that makes mounted armies fun, and an errata that fixes land speeders . But the hope is small, because in w40k they didn't do it for a whole edition.

>>96968082
Yeah lol. Though I do think there was one gimmick one would choose when one was certain to win, as to get extra combat res.
Literal "gg no re" dissing

Slowly getting into HH after some friends suggested I joining them as I still had a bunch of old 3rd edition marines still laying around. All infantry and some heavy and special weapons alongside two dreadnaughts, two rhinos, and a landraider.

Any good recommendations for units and equipment for a deathguard, salamanders, or iron warriors to start out with?

Alchemical flamers where pretty great in the tutorial game I played, but I'm scratching my head a bit on how to best utilize the DG legion ability to ignore the penalty of heavy weapons outside a rotor cannon heavy support squad or two.

Really need to buy some terminators too.

>>96968089
I depends on the shade of blue you use and how you add weathering to the models afterwards.
If you go for a nice vivid shade of blue, like in your pic, then it will contrast from the olive drab. But then if you start slathering it in agrax earthshade and dirt, then it will all blend together.

>>96968321
take heavy squads, get maximum damage no matter if you move. Its a big deal with lascannons and multimeltas that have the (H) trait against either weapon strength or damage profile.

>>96968321
Everyone will tell you about DG HHS. Regardless of what they tell you, always remember this above all: Fury of the Legion is Heavy (Firepower)
Also, everyone seems to forget Death Guard is unbothered by terrain because it's not bolded, so they run full 11" even across ruins

>>96968321
DG Inductii are S-tier

>>96968526
Aren't predators and other vehicles a more powerful and point efficient (survival, movment etc) source of heavy weapons? Or was I wrong to get 2 vindicators and 3 las preds.

>>96968544
is it because of the status effects, that a rottor canon can cause?

>>96968547
Lascannon predator have better shots per point and durability per point. And you aren't giving them bs5 anymore. So predator is generally better. Main argument for lascannon hss is being able to blast 10 shots on a return fire or intercept or what not.

>>96968419
The concern I have with focusing so much on support squads is that they don't have line and will get chewed up in melee pretty easy and one of my main opponents is going to be a world eaters player. But I guess enough lascannon and heavy bolter fire can fix most problems.

>>96968526
HHS? Getting used to all the acronyms still. Fantastic point on terrain as well, I did forget that for them.

>>96968544
Yeah they seemed pretty great due to being able to take alchemical flamers or rotor cannons and both seem great for them.

Still leaning what each of the command units unlock for armies like siege breaker unlocking special rapier battery grenade rounds. Not too many web resources for 3rd edition yet it seems.

>>96968626
rapier batteries will also benifite yes?

>>96968626
Sorry miswrote, it's HSS. Heavy Support Squad

>>96968660
Ok, that's what I was kind of guessing, but there's stuff I'm still discovering just fiddling around with new recruit still.

>>96968655
Technically, I think, yeah.

>>96968547
>>96968605
The return fire is really the selling point as well as the ability to pop in a master of signals which I think can give them Line. Their legion ability is very flavorful and feels good, but seems a bit tricky to really make good use out of so far.

So in the end, after all the whinging, did this end up becoming a better game than the last edition (Like every reasonable person expected)?

Rereading the pdf I just realized that only Centurions get the special melee rules in Alone and Forgotten. Consuls won't get combat resolution bonuses or VP for dying in melee.

>>96966558
Go for it. I justified mine as power lances, though I don't play.

Post your most recent autistic conversionslop

>>96968554
Flamers + alchem-flamers + rotor cannons + fury of the legion

Blackshields: Alone and Forgotten, Blade of the Just

Primary detachment (3 base command slots, 1 prime+4 troop->command slots, 1 prime)

Armistos: 105
+Plasma Cannon, Power Fist
+Paragon of Battle Prime slot
+1T, +1W

Moritat: 105
+Overcharged Plasma Pistols
+1BS, +1W

Centurion with Jump pack: 115
+Power Axe, plasma pistol
+1WS, +1S

Centurion: 90
+Power Sword
+Paragon of Battle
+1S, +1W

Centurion: 95
+Thunder Hammer
+1T, +1W

Centurion: 105
+Power Fist, combi-plasma
+1T, +1W

Centurion: 95
+Power maul, disintegration pistol
+1T, +1W

Tactical Support Auxiliary Detachment (2 troops -> command)

Centurion: 105
+Power Fist, combi-melta
+1S, +1T

Centurion: 95
+Power Spear, bolter
+1S, +1W

Tactical Support Auxiliary Detachment (2 troops -> command)

Centurion: 90
+Power Sword
+1S, +1W

1000 points
My buddy is giving me an intro game later today. I'm gonna see how this goes. Got a little bit of ranged to tap someone on the shoulder but for the most part everyone is just gonna run straight forwards. There's only 1 guy with a jump pack because that's the only jump centurion I have so far.

>>96968689
I don't think line actually works if you have support unit.

>>96968855
IH Herald tism conversion. Don't mind the paint its just the preshading process

>>96966870
Both armies painted. This is a rare sight these days here. Nice unknown sire.

>>96966418
Ofc
>13 fa
>all sponsons are good this ed
>main guns vary in usefulness but are all decently strong
>read the Arcus missile launcher rules
>seriously read them
>40 points for them is seriously dirt cheap when every missile type is strong at what they do, especially when you can route your opponents tacs on the first turn with the pyrax

>>96968855
Light box was screwed up for this one but it’s a new praetor. The main body this print has is a pain in the ass to set up but I wanna swap between normal and jump pack lol

>>96968855
I couldn't continue on it because I actually had to do my job when I was at work instead of slacking off.

>>96968915
That would be unfortunate, but perhaps he better solution is to try and find a way to bulk up a line unit or better lethalize a vanguard unit rather than trying to give a unit that trait.

I honestly just need to put in an order for some terminators I think when the boys do another recast run.

>>96968855
Standard bearer for my command squad. I cut the legs to make the crouching pose and used the banner from WH fantasy. Plus will add a power sword from 40K 2nd edition

>>96968855
Why the crotch pistol lol

>>96969141
Cool, it makes sense for the NL banner guy to kneel to make himself a smaller target

>>96968933
What head is that? Dope banner

>>96969160
This was the idea. Instead of a proud standard bearer with a new shiny standard to have this guy who don't give a shit about those stupid flags but must do it for punishment and not to be shot in his back by frienldy fire for the lolz.