So apparently these werent aliens but evolved robots. WTF

what is the evolutionary advantage of being see through and extremely fragile?

>>211972017 (OP)
yes? was it not obvious

i have never understood sci-fi where gayI takes humanoind bodies
why the would gayI take the form of a human
why would it be individuals instead of 1 hivemind?
gayI has the easy ability to communicate via electronic signals, and communication (language, writing, etc.) is the single most important invention that humans have ever come up with

>>211972080
They're made of strong force interaction material using subatomic particle interaction for computation. Nothing made from matter can shatter them. Where did you get "extremely fragile"?

>>211972163
>Nothing made from matter can shatter them.
My penis will

>>211972080
You already vaporized anything that could be remotely a threat to you 10 generations ago.

>>211972017 (OP)
Sentient robots with magical superpowers. To be honest, this is what evolution in the future most likely would be

>>211972163
I never watched the movie and this thing look really thin and gay, I could probably grab one of them and smash them on my knee bane style

>>211972017 (OP)
They pretty much put david in a zoo at the end right?

>>211972017 (OP)
Why didnt they turn David into one of them

>>211972162
>why the would gayI take the form of a human
So that it can actually do things in the world.
>why would it be individuals instead of 1 hivemind?
Individuality is useful in achieving a variety of different goals. There's a reason that your hands, feet, arms, legs, eyes, ears, nose, and mouth are all differently specialized, and why you're not just a single giant foot or something. Even if run as a true hivemind, each separate robot will be specialized for something and focused on its own set of tasks. Distributing the processing load across thousands of robots makes more sense than trying to run thousands of robots off of a single server.

>>211972349
>So that it can actually do things in the world.
why only 2 arms? why only 2 legs? why a head?

>Distributing the processing load across thousands of robots makes more sense than trying to run thousands of robots off of a single server.
and that would not be individuals since they would all need to communicate with each other for maximum efficiency

>>211972349
>you're not just a single giant foot or something
I dunno, a lot of the footfags on this board might find that to be an improvement

>>211972300
Yeah it mirrors the opening scene with the scientists.
People think it's a happy ending but it isn't.

>>211972431
>why only 2 arms? why only 2 legs? why a head?
Because the human body is perfectly designed and there is no improving on it.
>and that would not be individuals since they would all need to communicate with each other for maximum efficiency
There would be an appearance of individuality due to not every robot being perfectly synchronized with all others 100% of the time. It takes time, energy, and processing power to transfer data, it would not necessarily be maximally efficient to upload and download data every second of every day in addition to all other tasks.

AYY LMAO

> not Moravec bushbots
Kubrick was a hackfraud

>>211972612
There's a cool foreshadow with the clear mannequin

>>211972832
*

>>211972661
>Because the human body is perfectly designed and there is no improving on it.
bull fucking shit
having just 1 extra arm would be so much beneficial
having a third leg increases stability
etc.

>There would be an appearance of individuality
exactly, no actual individuals
a hivemind

> we're making kidbots because there's this mystery disease, they're not for pedos, no sireee!
ok

>>211972894
NTA and I know you're being purposefully obstinate but you're actually wrong.

Try imagine running with a third leg (well I actually do every time I run lol, but you need to imagine it). Your gait would be so fucked up compared to just running with two legs.

Same with your third arm. Imagine having to balance an extra appendage of that size all the time (well again I do, but I digress lol).

There's a reason why only bilateral and radial symmetry exist, and why body plans with goofy extra appendages don't appear in the fossil record. If you believe in evolution, literally every time an abberation to those body plans appeared it died out because it couldn't evolutionarily compete with bilateral or radial creatures. And really, radial body plans are only viable in aquatic environments. Everything that has and ever will live on land will be bilaterally symmetric because that's the optimized body plan for land movement after millions and millions of iterations

>>211973675
you are fucking retarded dude
having extra limbs will always be beneficial
you're still thinking through organic evolution and from an anthropic perspective where there are specific tradeoffs when it comes to being fast or tasty looking to predators, no way to dynamically repurpose limbs (a leg has to be used only for locomotion, etc.), and ultimately an inability to think beyond your own 2 arms and 2 legs
here we're talking about artifical creatures who would prefer general purpose limbs over specific functionality
the real number could be 1, 2, 3, ...n number of limbs, they could be retracted and expanded as needed, the point is there is no reason to have 2 very human arm-y looking limbs and 2 very human leg-y looking limbs, or even a big sphere "head" when just another sensor limb would suffice
no one's talking about goofy extra appendages except you, moron

>>211972832
>>211972887
>bushbots
I stupidly went and tried Reddit for a month, before I finally got sick of being constantly permabanned from subs for the most minor of controversial opinions, and not once in all that time did I have to look anything up. I come back to here, and the same day I'm learning something new.

Thank you for proving this place is worth more than anyone realises.

>>211972017 (OP)
>>211972612
WHAT and WHAT

>>211974183
Wow, I respectfully BTFO you and you respond with seethe
If that's the way it's gonna be, listen up dipshit

These problems are MECHANICAL, as in the LAWS OF PHYSICS apply to them. I know you failed out of calculus, but there's this thing called a moment of inertia, and if it's not optimized for a particular object with a defined center of mass, it will cause that object to destabilize and generally be fucked up in it's movements. This is beyond biology, it's a design consideration that goes into every fucking moving object from cars to spacecraft. Mechanical engineers have done analyses on the human body and have done goofy things like making centaur people with 4 legs instead of 2, and they found physically it doesn't fucking work.
Unless you think the superintelligent advanced AI is so retarded that it would just spawn third arms and legs causing it to fall over or over-rotate as it turns and need to be carefully compensated for, it would just fall onto the same solution our primitive monkey brains fell on which it to just call someone over to help out.
>the real number could be 1, 2, 3, ...n number of limbs, they could be retracted and expanded as needed, the point is there is no reason to have 2 very human arm-y looking limbs and 2 very human leg-y looking limbs, or even a big sphere "head" when just another sensor limb would suffice
ok shit for brains, if that's the context of the argument (it wasn't, you moved the goalposts) then there's no need to have a body at all. If we're talking about superintelligence to the level that it's using fundamental forces of the universe to perform computation then it doesn't need to have a body at all, it can just magick things around using the forces of reality like AM in IHNMAIMS (not that you'd know that story since you only read reddit posts)
Fucking numbskull asshole

>>211974746
yeah ok retard i bet you're smarter than actual roboticists

also you're getting unhinged over me giving a 3rd limb AS AN EXAMPLE

as I said, the original argument was the humanoid design is retarded from a functional point of view, i said even having 1 extra arm would be beneficial (even your niggered brain can appreciate having an extra arm when you're switching between a mouse and keyboard all the time when you're posting a video to worldstar, FOR EXAMPLE)

https://www.chemistry.harvard.edu/news/arthrobots-spiders-why-6-legs-are-better-4

inb4
>harvard

stay a human nigger

>>211974746
You're talking about retarded designs like centaurs while the anon was talking about how extra limbs will always be useful in general.

>>211974746
>gatekeeping Harlan Ellison

>>211974746
>it can just magick things around using the forces of reality

>These problems are MECHANICAL, as in the LAWS OF PHYSICS apply to them.

which one is it

>>211974746
Typical stupid human unable to think beyond his 2 widdle arms

>>211972017 (OP)
>So apparently these werent aliens but evolved robots. WTF

>>211973015
Is that what happens to humans?

>>211974350
>I stupidly went and tried being retarded for a month.
We've all done it, it's okay.

>>211972612
Oh shit, man. I remember crying like a little bitch when i first saw this movie but the fact that they make him relieve good times and emotions at the end comfort me. Now you ruined it

>>211972017 (OP)

The most highly evolved being that can look like anything still retains a humanoid shape meaning we have the most advantageous and practical shape in the universe

>>211972300

This guy gets it, its not a happy ending at all.

>>211972017 (OP)
yeah thats the kicker

>>211973675
so wrong there is no point arguing with you, evolution is in no way a perfectionist, it uses what it has

>>211972259
>posting weakest bane

>>211972017 (OP)
i would fuck this thing passionately

Why does this movie mindbreaks so many 4chan users? Do you all have mommy issues?

>>211976626
>Bane becomes a Nephilim
What was the point of giving him biblical giant proportions?

>>211972300
>put david in a zoo at the end
I thought the end is after the dream or whatever it was. Where do they put him ina zoo?

>>211976626
are these attainable natty gains?

What game?

>>211977189
Leisure Suit Larry

>>211976793
They pretty much recreated his "ecosystem", watched him and tried to make him happy. That seems very similar to an animal in a zoo to me.

>>211977472
more like putting their grandfather into an old people home where he can be happy

Is the movie good?
The book is excellent and I was getting excited to watch the movie. But after reading some rather mixed and poor reviews I've been soured from dedicating the 2h for it.

>>211978283
It's worth watching once.

>we can clone your "mother" from a piece of hair but only for one day

Uhh....they were BS'ing him, right?

>>211975429
People often shit on Spielberg for the ending, even though the bleakness of it is pretty evidently presented. It always had the Kubrick mentality sprinkled throughout.

>>211976626
god, why does this have to be gay batman
I would pay for a batgirl edit

>>211976626
Is this Chocolate Bane?

Hello, David!

>>211978779

>>211977764
>putting their grandfather into an old people home where he can be happy
american culture is so brainrotted lol
"Old people are really happy to go to a house filled with other old people!" jesus christ
Imagine living this detached from reality

The kid turned out okay.

>>211976626
Is this the final form of Big Guys?

>>211972017 (OP)
This movie was depressing as fuck

>>211978828
You won't understand this because you're a collectivist tribal monkey, but human beings sometimes prefer independence.

>>211972017 (OP)
Then consider showing me the rest of DINO TIME.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh2IIoOe2bk

>>211972080
everything is see-through at a certain wavelength

>>211978964

>>211978884
I don't know if it's Spielberg's post-divorce period where he was really cranky or the general great times of the last 90's up to 9/11, but this and Minority Report being really gloomy and depressing were so good.

>>211972017 (OP)
>more evolved adv. than us
>consider us gods
...wut?

>>211978476
not because its bad though
but because the ending is just so depressing you don't want to see it again
>>211972017 (OP)
the point is it doesn't matter
and the reason they didn't upload his consciousness into a better body or give him a permanent mother is because HE was dying. they just gave him what he needed to die happy

>>211975877
No, it means recognition for the audience

>>211976777
Question to DC fags, could Supe still splatter him say like a water balloon hitting a rock?

>>211976626
He's a big guy

>>211979070
Did anyone else read this movie as an elaborate demonstration of how the natural urge for all created things is to worship? Like David praying to the blue fairy idol, the Christian icons throughout the movie, the robots at the end basically being able to invent their own heaven.

>>211972017 (OP)
lmao what a retard, that was plainly obvious, humans went extinct and the robots just bettered themselves exponentially
so Davids final prayer and wish to become a real boy comes true in a way, because all thats left to be real is robots
its fucking kino

>>211978283
well, they obviously had to pad out the story a bit. a 9 page short story wouldn't make an especially good feature length film
but most of the negativity, though, usually stems from people taking the story too seriously. they don't like all the silly elements they added to it. like the prostitute robots, and the fake moon that hunts abandoned robots

the ending to this way different than the book, but i think they're both good. this one is more bittersweet compared to the book in my opinion though and i liked it better that way

>>211980823
Bittersweet, my ass. It's straight up misery porn through and through.

>>211981117
better than the full sad of the short

>>211972017 (OP)
They come from the space between spaces. Ah, no. Wrong movie.

>>211978889
>being secluded into a monitored fort with other people of your same age and condition, means you are independant
I guess all convicts are actually free

>>211981967
If you have a decent amount of money you can go to a nice place that's basically an apartment with a nurse. You seme very ignorant about this.

>>211972017 (OP)
Those things were the only interesting part of the whole movie.

>>211982018
If I have that I can do that in my home
Why would I need to "go there" or why would I want my family to "send me there"
I'm not ignorant, you culture has a brain tumor regarding old people that you need to "send them there"

>>211980283
1v1, yes. But bane is also very smart so he probably wouldn't go toe to toe with supes unless he had kryptonite brass knuckles or some other plan.

>>211982144
>If I have that I can do that in my home
Why would I need to "go there" or why would I want my family to "send me there"

Because you're old and losing your mind and you can't make decisions anymore?

>>211978846
kek

>>211982194
I'm sorry, I shouldn't be arguing this, sorry, i'm from a different culture, I get that you are set on this
I would just expect to have lived a good enough life that my family would choose to take care of me on my home, instead of shipping me to a place filled with strangers in which i'll just exist and wait to die, while my family splits my assets.
I'm sorry, I hope you they pick a nice place for you
Sorry

>>211980218
>they didn't upload his consciousness into a better body or give him a permanent mother is because HE was dying.
They didn't give him a permanent mother because they couldn't. Their clones (who somehow had memories) died after a single day. There's nothing to suggest David himself is dying, him and teddy are fine and even if they weren't fixing them would be trivial for a race of people who can clone humans and retrieve their memories from a small amount of genetic material.

>>211972300
>>211978685
>>211981117
I think you all are overthinking it. First accept that this is ultimately Spielberg, who makes fairy tales, not Kubrick's bleakness even if that was the starting point.

It's very interesting and poignant taken at face value, and that is a bittersweet ending, not a horrifically bleak one. The mecha at the end are not interested in David for any nefarious ulterior motive, but for the straightforward reason Ben Kingsley-bot describes: thousands of years after the people who build the first generation of robots that built them have perished, they're still trying to figure out the meaning of their creation and their own purpose of existing. It's foreshadowed by Gigolo Joe's description of religion ("Those who created us are always looking for who created them.") It's a very resonant, human motivation, an astonishing vulnerability for such powerful beings much more interesting than "They dug this primitive robot out of the ice to put him in a zoo to mess with him."

>>211982816
I never said they put him in a zoo to mess with him. We don't put animals in zoo's now to mess with them. We put them in there because people are curious about them and interested in them.

>>211972259
Me on the right.

>>211983578
Okay, but why are they so curious about him?

>>211972162
who the fuck is gayl

What the fuck is wrong with you guys? You think the ending was bleak? Angels from out of fucking nowhere showed up and gave him one more day to be with his mommy, and you know it's magic because it can only last one day.
You think it's bleak because you think this is an appropriate ending to a character's development - that after all the challenges he has overcome and even adopting an older-brother figure (?), it's sad that HE DOESN'T GET TO BE WITH HIS MOMMY FOREVER!
The whole thing is an idiotic conception, the movie should have faded to black when he froze to death.
Like holy shit blow your fucking heads off you are developmentally delayed. Movie threw itself in the trash in the last 10 minutes (e.g. Signs)

>>211984006
Swing hard A.I. Swing hard!

>>211984004
Gay-I (gay-eye)
AI but gay (pejorative)

>>211983672
because he's ancient

>>211984508
How's that different from what I/narrator/Gigolo Joe said? They're not just looking at him like the pyramids.

>>211978910
NOW YOUR DREAM'S ABOUT TO BECOME REALITY

>>211980225
Right? Movies aren't always literally and are being told to human audiences.

>>211983672
Because they're interested in humans and David was not only built in the image of a human child but also knew actual humans.

>>211985193
That was my point and that's straightforward the text of the movie.

>>211983672
He's a primitive version of them. It is a direct take on a "finding a live caveman in a block of ice" scenario

>>211984885
In this day and age? That questionable.

>>211980721
Yes thats why God says not to make objects to worship and Catholicism changed the ten commandments and ignore this to feed peoples desire to worship meaningless figures as representations of things.

>>211985665
this came out over 20 years ago

>>211984462
It's not working pal

>>211985604
Yeah, but it seems like you disagree with the take that he's effectively in a zoo. He's in a false habitat that the new mechs watch and modify in an effort to make him happy. I don't know what else you could call that but a zoo.

>>211986282
I'm not the one who came up with it, I'm just explaining it.

>>211986301
Okay, but is that really a bleak, horrific ending, or is it poignant like I said? There's no deception, no ulterior motive. They want answers in their existential quest, which is honest and right on the surface. They recreate David's environment, but they're not gawking him and tossing peanuts at him. It's face value sweet but sad.

>>211972017 (OP)
>So, David went to sleep too. And for the first time in his life, he went to that place, where dreams are born

>>211976626
W-what's the surgery?

>>211972017 (OP)
Why is this movie generating so many threads over the past 4 weeks or so? Did one of you zoomers discover it from a TikTok reel or Mr.Beast video or some shit???

>>211982433
>that my family would choose to take care of me
Can't take care of grandma who has dementia when you have a 9to5 and a kid.

>>211972017 (OP)
Please tell me all of you understand that this is just Pinocchio with robots.

These things are humanoid, because machine cannot make something new, only took something old and change it.

>>211986916
Also despite all these supposed technological advancements they're still limited in their resources by what's already available on earth at that time, which is why they only had enough power left for David to live one last day

>>211987720
They are unambiguously robots and descendants of David

>>211987773
If they're limited in resources they're not taking flying boxes all over New York and excavating miles of ice to get to an old bot. Nor are they cloning his mom for a day and giving her back her memories. There's no reason why they can't extend David's life indefinitely if they chose to.
>>211986916
They are gawking at him. They're watching him through a circular screen that is shown. Are they charging entry fees? Probably not, but it's still David's artificial habitat.

>>211987773
They weren't limited. He was. The entire point was he was never going to become more than he was. He was essentially an evolutionary dead end. His only concern was one more day with her. They gave him that out of compassion. He had his one day with her and shut himself down. He was designed to be what he was, he accomplished his function

>>211988081
It's an artificial habitat, but they aren't gawking at him out of amusement or cruelty. These mecha are upfront with their vulnerability in wanting to study David to better understand themselves. And they're honest about it. That isn't sinister and there is no ulterior motive. I ask again, why is that bleak instead of poignant?

>>211972259
For all you know it can go liquid and kill you like a T-1000.

>>211972163
>they're made of quasi-suprasilicate that becomes transdimensionally superimposed at specific sephirotic adipose levels relative to the kelvin-epstein frequencies you fucking moron

>>211972328
cause they were aliens

>>211988729
>amusement or cruelty
Do you think people go to the zoo or start zoo's for the sake of cruelty? You seem to be hung up on the word zoo for whatever reason. There can be noble reasons to put an animal in a zoo such as endangered species or animals that lost their parents and have no hope of survival in the wild. I'm David's case, the world he existed in is completely wiped out, so they build him a habitat based on his memories and monitor it like a zoo monitors an aquarium.

>>211990043
But is that more bleak than poignant?

>>211978283
A.I. has been on many 'best of 21st century' lists. It is at least worth a try. It is one of my favorites personally.

>>211990592
It completely depends on what happened after. If David doesn't wake up it's poignant, if he does it's bleak.

>>211988729
Yeah, I mean, they literally give David exactly what he wants. I don't know how people are arguing about this. They are benevolent in every which way.

>>211972017 (OP)
>have technology to create robots with sentience
>can't solve environmental issues that supposedly killed most humans though
>still go extinct later for reasons

>>211987412
Gut rearrangement.

>>211987412
Uh, yeah... I am kinda concerned too...

Is Haley Joel Osment the best child actor ever?

which was the better film
AI or Bicentennial Man

>>211972017 (OP)
Yes. They state that in the film.

>>211988081
>There's no reason why they can't extend David's life indefinitely if they chose to.
But they chose not to, they saw him as a lesser being, one who was below (underserving of) the need for upgrades or eternal life like they have

>>211992611
I like both really.Both quite sad visions of the future and soulful movies, but im gonna go with AI purely because Jude Law is pretty kino in it.He enhances everything he's in

>>211990807
There's nothing poignant about a robot experiencing death
That's even more of a copout than omnipotent AIs

>>211978793
the most depressing aspect of this film

I still wanna know about kathryn morris deleted character

>>211988091
I cant remember exactly, but didn't theybsay in the beginning how long his internal battery would run for?

>>211989474
You think the talk skinny beings with big heads looked like these guys in the future? Ha!
I think they do too

>>211980721
I took religion in cinematic culture as an elective course in Uni. This film is full of religious symbols from beginning to end.

>>211972188
Oh great another sentient race has stagnated in it's evolution/development or repeated cloning causes infertility and degradation, so they need human cock to advance/survive story.

>>211990864
robots with sentience aren't immune to capitalism and infinite growth

>>211972162
Made in God's image, stupid fucking atheist.

>>211987560
KH4 got cancelled and Hayley Joel Osmont killed himself.

>>211992792
When they asked him he said he just wants his mommy. There was nothing they could gain further from him because of his hyerfixation. He couldnt reqlly tell them the historical answers they so wanted to know. To them, he was useless. Single purpose, like a toaster who never wanted to be anything more than just a toaster

>>211993891
Forgot the pic

>>211984006
WTF ARE WE TALKING ABOUT

>>211993961
Yeah, it is chock full of them. There is a lot of deeper subtext to the film. Wish I took that class so I could see what everyone else had to say about it.

>>211972162
cause the authors are trying to sell their stories to an audience
and most audiences suspension of disbelief is relatively small

robo Pinocchio movies are kino

>>211973675
This.

Why did they stop 9/11?

AI is possibly the most boring movie I’ve ever watched

>>211972017 (OP)
This is my "fuck you I liked it" film. Yeah the design for the future mecha should've been more grounded in a sleek robotic look. People I know who watched it (me included) thought they were aliens at first, but it was strange that they referred to humans as their creators in that case. It's worth watching just for the scene at the flesh fair and Jude Law's character.
>>211972162
it's hard to wrap your head around a singular consciousness already. AI made up of many different individuals in one "brain" would just be a narcissistic schizophrenic machine.

>>211995662
filtered

>>211982816
smart post

>>211978793
Ted if it was good

>>211981967
It's about family being free from the useless old farts. They are an economical burden that for some reason refuse to just die.

>>211978685
Speilberg was incredibly faithful to the screenplay Kubrick gave him. Basically the entire story was Kubrick and not Speilberg. IIRC the pool scene and learning about the blue fairy from a digital Robin Williams Einstein were the only thing Speilberg added.

>>211978793
Someone please tell me that bitch milf and her biological kid died horribly any point in the future

>we have this lock of hair from your human mother we can use to reanimate her, but it will only last for 1 day
Why didn't they just use a single cell to reanimate her, and then keep doing it over and over each day?

>>211997566
It is because the soul can only transfer back to our reality once.

>>211975877
bipedal humanoid is the most efficient bodytype for using spiral energy

>>211972017 (OP)
Aw man of course I missed a rare thread about AI. These kind of movies that leave you in a brain fog like after reading a good book are the best. This movie presented such an interesting future setting, did a great job of worldbuilding and making you wonder what else is out there.

>>211974350
>THANKS FOR THE REDDIT GOLD KIND STRANGER
Go back to r*ddit you absolute dick sucking nigger faggot. You left because you're a pussy and you'll keep being a pussy no matter what

>>211999064
>These kind of movies that leave you in a brain fog
>making you wonder what else is out there
Much like my penis

>>211997604
Damn that's profound bro.
Please go into a in depth explanation

>>211972017 (OP)
Man, this movie.... I was feeling down for weeks after watching it. And I was 11 at that time

>>211972080
Maybe it's the product of an extremely decadent society. They remade themselves all style no function. Basically impractical fashion

>>211972017 (OP)
what are "these" supposed to be from?

>>212000113
You’re part of why autistic people have a bad reputation, especially here

>>212002857
A.I. Its steven spielberg movie from back in 2001

>>211978793
the more I think about this scene the worse it gets. at what point do you decide you're old enough and to abandon the teddy? do you keep him your whole life? he can't really survive on his own.
already had a sad week and thinking about this webm has made me feel much worse.

>>211977764
>more like putting their grandfather into an old people home where he can be happ-ACK
https://youtu.be/bjMc91z9Fno?t=40

>>211982816
in most docos, it's all Spielberg. Kubrick wrote the idea and the ending only.

for me the ending was a happy one for david, but a tragic one for teddy

>>211984006
>

I really don't like this movie, because watching movies that give me negative thoughts is unpleasant.

>>211972080
>be careful.. it looks fragile

>>212005388
AHHHHHH NOOOOOO SAVE ME DARK FOREST DETERENCE

>>211972017 (OP)
>far far in the future
>still no aliens, only sentient robots

That's may very well be the future

>book version
>robot boy is programmed to love unconditionally but the person they're set to love doesn't love them back

>movie version
>person loves robot boy unconditionally as well
>this is somehow sadder

>>212005229
literally me. I find it interesting to discuss and read about movies like this but I hate watching depressive misery porn.

>>211994330
He's not dead, anon
He just posted an apology for his Mel-Gibson-lite routine while drunk

>>211972259
You're a big guy.