is it truly the best Bond flick, or is it overrated by vidyafags?

The latter

One of the best but not thee best, I think goldfinger is the GOAT I do like License to Kill a lot too

i don't know about best, but I'm not a huge james bond fan. to me it was one of the better ones, i remember seeing it in theaters and liking it and then being let down a lot thereafter. i think for a kid it was a good flick.

>>212685560 (OP)
It's undoubtedly good as Bond goes but it does tend to get overrated

Magnificent girls though

Unfortunately casino royal is optimized

>>212685560 (OP)

>>212685560 (OP)
Honestly, I did not like this film out of all the Bond ones. Goldfinger is best, followed by Dr. No and The Spy Who Loved Me.

>>212685560 (OP)
>Sauve, charming Bond
>The perfect amount of humor and camp
>Memorable villains
>Memorable action sequences
The only thing I think that holds it back a little is the locations are all kind of boring.

>>212685560 (OP)
It's good, but kind of thin. I don't think it would even make my top 5.

>>212685560 (OP)
Neither really. It's overrated by millennials who had Brosnan as their first Bond, regardless of whether or not they liked the game. The 6 year gap between movies meant this was almost every 90s kid's first Bond.

>>212686425
This and it's what I watch when I was growing up.

>>212685904
I can't like any of the Craig stuff. Watching him run around roof tops doing "parkour" makes me cringe.

>>212685904
ive been watching 007 for the first time and finally got to that one. i liked just about everything.. except bond himself. daniel craig sucks, he's so fucking boring.
he ain't got no rizz, aura, charm, or coolness factor. he looks like a henchman bond would fight near the climax of the movie.

does he improve with the later films or is it nothing but shit from here on out? might as well finish the series since im committed at this point.

>>212687870
it gets worse

I think it's interesting as a time capsule of the "end of history" era. (Somehow, history returned)

>>212686809
that's a good way of putting it
I like it just fine, but I like most of the previous Bonds and Tomorrow Never Dies more than Goldeneye

>>212685560 (OP)
It's overrated on /tv/. It's a decent action flick but it doesn't come anywhere close to the Connery classics. No Bond movie does.

>>212685560 (OP)
When he busts through the wall in the tank I knew it was kino

Real ones know The World is Not Enough is the best Bronsan Bond movie and one of the best in the whole franchise.

>>212685560 (OP)
It's the best Brosnan one, and Brosnan happens to be Millennials' favorite Bond for the most part. That's most likely why they like it, I don't think it has much to do with the game. It really depends on what age group you ask. Boomers are mostly going to tell you a Connery movie is the best. Gen X is mostly going to tell you that a Dalton or Moore movie is the best. Younger Millennials like Craig and would say Casino Royale is the best.

>>212690981
>Noooo! This isn't anywhere as exciting as "old woman with shoe knife"!

>>212691345
or ninjas fighting dudes in a volcano rocket base.. i actually like that one lol but yeah the connery stuff is super dated.

>>212687870
>And this time, no Monte Carlo, but Montenegro, a fictional casino resort, where Bond checks into the “Hotel Splendid,” which is in fact, yes, the very same Grand Hotel Pupp in Karlovy Vary where Queen Latifah had her culinary vacation in “Last Holiday.” That gives me another opportunity to display my expertise on the Czech Republic by informing you that “Pupp” is pronounced “poop,” so no wonder it’s the Splendid.
Ebert was a gem for giving us these little observations.

>>212687870
>This is Campbell’s second Bond picture, after “Goldeneye” (1995), but he breaks with his own and everyone else’s tradition. He’s helped by Craig, who gives the sense of a hard man, wounded by life and his job, who nevertheless cares about people and right and wrong. To a certain degree, the earlier Bonds were lustful technicians. With this one, since he has a big scene involving a merchant’s house in Venice, we can excuse ourselves for observing that if you prick him, he bleeds.
Is this Ebert winking at the gay audience while playing it off as an allusion to Shakespeare

>>212685560 (OP)
I liked Tomorrow Never Dies more.

its the last of the 3 films that have a serious tone because dalton was meant to do the film. after goldeneye cubby became obsessed with trying to americanize his films so a lot of brosnan's films sadly have this "hollywood blockbuster" aesthetic which mainly just means non stop explosions and gunfights

>>212693453
Isn't any allusion to Shakespeare gay?

>>212695168
And American Bond Girls. Terri Hatcher, Denise Richards, and to a lesser degree Halle Berry, were some of the worst parts of his films. Then again I guess it does make sense that Pierce "The Architect" Brosnan loves American women.

>>212685560 (OP)
it's the best brosnan film, world is not enough a close second. tomorrow never dies is okay but mid and die another day is too goofy to be good

>>212695437
for craig it's skyfall > casino > spectre > no time > quantum

>>212695485
bad ranking. nttd + spectre are all so irredeemably bad theres no point ranking them.

quantum is harmless fun. skyfall has gay bond innuendo. casino is good.

therefore the only possible ranking we can get is cr > qos > skyfall

>>212695572
Objectively correct, much better ranking

>>212695572
skyfall has craig calling the bluff of bardem's innuendo employed to try and rattle him. you sound like you have a lot of insecurities you're projecting.

there is no bond movie as cinematic as the original casino royale novel

>>212685560 (OP)
Who cares

This was the first new Bond movie I saw in theaters. In three years, it will be as old as Dr. No was back then.

>>212685560 (OP)
It’s Bondkino

>>212685656
>>212686261
>>212690981
>t. 009

>>212695874

>>212695805
>the same retard script that had spectre infiltrate MI:6 just to tape some printouts of silva around and the same retard writers who cooked up the brofeld shit are all of a sudden high IQ subverters of expectations when it comes to debunking the myth of woke bond in a film PoC moneypenny taking matters to her own hands with a bisexual hollywood gigolo actor playing bond
it it looks and sounds gay it's probably gay

>>212695874
>Dr. No
I just rewatched that couple days ago. It just does not hold up. Especially when the followup is From Russia With Love. The only thing it really has is Connery being smooth as fuck and the smaller budget production which means the script has to linger more on scenes that in a bigger production would just get glossed over, and that's just because I personally prefer a slower script.

It's impossible to compare it to something like Casino Royale when 30% of the movie is Russians flying out of windows or tumbling down staircases after taking one bullet.

I also felt like it flowed a lot smoother than CR because Bond and Trevelyan are so effortlessly cool. They don't need any slo-mo shots of Brosnan shirtless on the beach like they did for Craig, they don't need to sell you that the guy fucks

Little known fact, Trevelyan's name comes from the producers, Trevor, Elliott and Ian.

>>212695960
you sound retarded. do you look retarded?

>>212685560 (OP)
I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies

>>212696176
>>212696103
imagine if we had 5 sean bean bond films instead of the craig disaster era.

>>212685560 (OP)
best opening credits of all times, fo sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyy3FNBjh9s

>>212696433
for me it's

1. CR

2. LALD

3. TLD

4. AVTAK

5. FYEO

>>212696570
TLD in an interesting choice.
Purely in terms of music, mine is
1. The Spy Who Loved Me
2. Casino Royale
3. A View to a Kill
4. Live and Let Die
5. Thunderball

Tomorrow Never Dies would be near the top if they had used Surrender. Same with Radiohead's Spectre.

>>212685560 (OP)
No one has ever said it was the best, it's just universally and fairly regarded as good.

>>212696376
He already played a Brosnan villain

It would be so awkward

Regardless of Bond, Martin Campbell is a boss ass director who tells really good, really actiony, masculine stories and it's a shame his career got cut short for money due to Green Lantern, which was not his wheelhouse at all.

Goldeneye, The Mask of Zorro, Casino Royale and Edge of Darkness are him at his best.

>>212696733
I just have a thing for 80s pop.

Also I kinda forgot The Spy Who Loved Me, I should probably rate it higher, it got me a bit upset I forgot it since it was used in the tribute as well uploaded by EON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X1ugbpkusA but my top 5 is so crowded. FYEO is such a great ballad and it's my favorite Bond film of all times. AVTAK is just great 80s pop, same as TLD. I don't care about McCartney's music but LALD is a kick ass rock beat that also makes it logical its #2 since I enjoy You Know My Name equally.

>>212696825
For 1 film maybe. After that it wouldn't be any weirder than Whitaker from TLD becoming the CIA glowie character in Brosnans films.

>>212696025
Dr No feels more like a pretty typical movie of its time, especially that Three Blind Mice sequence at the start. Some of it feels more in line with a Rat Pack movie than a Bond movie.

>hottest girls of any Bond movie
>one of the best villains
>cool locations
>interesting story and side characters
>best opening sequence of any Bond movie
>Brosnan as best Bond
There are some bad parts, the cinematography feels like a TV movie sometimes but overall it's definitely one of the best, probably my favorite desu

>>212686920
I watched some of the Roger Moore ones on tv back then.

>>212685560 (OP)
Definitely top 5 and maybe top 3.

>>212697066
>the cinematography feels like a TV movie sometimes
The opening sequence when they get outside is rough, but otherwise its not bad. The more I grow older the more I start to get annoyed by artsy direction. Especially when in modern TV its used as a substitute for substance. You can have a garbage ass script but as long as you have some occasional ultra wide montage with sad piano music and some focus pulls normies lose their minds.

>>212697066
People shit on the music a lot for some reason but I thought it was excellent, especially the sampling of Russian choirs and deep strange factory sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zn5V1_iQ3Lc

>>212691062
If they replaced Denise Richards I would agree

>>212685560 (OP)
Everyone hold up, I am working on watching all of them. After that I will put out a tier list, so far I have watched two

>>212697136
That one is really good but to be fair the car chase music is goofy as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UTX7tBYy4

>>212697213
True, that's the one track that always stood as the odd one out. The rest of it was really well done imo.

https://youtu.be/EcYVq0DHnWY?list=RDEcYVq0DHnWY&t=48

I love this one for the old Red Army choir motifs, especially with it being when showing damaged Soviet statues in Fallen Monument Park.

For me, it's the Bunker level with proximity mines

>>212685560 (OP)

it's a franchise that somehow survived despite its experation date being the mid 1960's.

>>212697357
Goldeneye's plot and reference to Bond being something of a dinosaur in the newly post-Soviet era is probably what helped it the most.

The living daylights is highly underrated, great fucking theme song too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR2OwmariWk

>>212697412
>Pierce being called a dinosaur

>>212697442
The score for the movie is pretty tacky though, even for the 80s. John Barry wanted to try and be modern but that turned out to just mean putting really cheap electronic drums on everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEwkcIJkgf8

I havent watched this in years but im pretty sure the game is what hypes this movie up so much

>>212685752
>goldfinger
You misspelled man with the golden gun anon.
Please proof read posted before clicking submit.

>>212697529
The movie itself is a good standout, at least for reasons I mentioned in >>212697412. This and Tomorrow Never Dies were excellent.

>>212697066
dont forget the tank chase scene, cool factor over 99999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB7ZWNlF8DY

>>212697136
That specific type of synth sound just has aged like milk. I know the guy working on it was probably told to try to modernize the sound but in hindsight it just sounds like shit whenever I can hear the synth piano picking up underneath the orchestral score.
>>212697213
It's fine in a harmlessly dated sort of way when it's just the e-guitar playing at first but I genuinely laugh at the retarded arrangement that comes afterwards begins playing. Adding contemporary shit into your score NEVER works. In 20 years people will be cringing in pain from listening to all the trap/EDM inspired garbage they've injected into "hip" sounding modern film soundtracks.

>>212697549
>the golden gun
Terrible.

>>212697631
Just like your taste, what did the naked sumo wrestlers make you feel funny or something?

>>212697599
I think it still did well all things considered, there were a lot of good and interesting tracks.

https://youtu.be/X3p-m9sh76U?list=RDX3p-m9sh76U&t=100

>>212697529
Doubtful, the game probably does something for Brosnan's popularity but the game encompasses alot of the Bond scenarios and villains. Not just Goldeneye.
Baron Samedi with the Golden gun in a temple?
Silos?
Frigates?
Siberia?

>>212697213
That's the most based song. It's very of its time. Go play a dozen different PC games of the era and you'll hear the same type of music
https://youtu.be/QvQQarcaRXs?si=OvzY1R3_AGJf2RE3

>>212685560 (OP)
No
Its not bad, but its overrated
Best Bondfilm is On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Top 5 would be:
1. OHMSS
2. TLD
3. GF
4. FRRWL
5. TSWLM

>>212697709
>tfw fighting Jaws at Aztec with a laser on your mission to stop Drax launching the Moonraker

>>212697442
I love Barry's score for this film. It's so distinct despite not really doing anything unconventional. The theme song's melody being used is a regular thing, but works better in this film from a compositional standpoint for me since it works so well in the action scenes. The slow scenes in the czech republic (when bond is hiding in Karas apartment avoiding the KGB agent for example) are scored in a very unconventional way for Barry and sound very thriller-esque. It's probably my favorite score out of all the Bond films.

>>212697726
Uggh, horrible midi

>>212697485
>hating the WHEEEEEEEEEEEEERE HAS EVERYBODY GONE track
weirdo

>>212697780
I didn't say I hate it, only that it's pretty tacky.

>>212687870
The latter films are boring slop. Craig was horribly miscast

>>212697485
Its actually a better atempt atb electronics than Goldeneye or some of the David Arnold scores
And you seriously are telling me the synthbass of Ice Chase doesnt sound badass?

>>212697801
Casino Royale was pretty damn good, but the rest are very mediocre. The final film probably being the all time worst in the franchise.

>>212696888
Wakachika wakachika wakachika MITCHELL

>>212697746
Ive never seen ohmss in anyone's top 5 let alone number 1. Fascinating

>>212697808
>Its actually a better atempt atb electronics than Goldeneye or some of the David Arnold scores
Strong disagree. I enjoy both soundtracks but TLD is far tackier in sound, which Barry then eased back on in other films.

David Arnold is a sold "okay" imo. I think this was probably his best piece, at least for the strings that play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ClfOSqaPJg

>And you seriously are telling me the synthbass of Ice Chase doesnt sound badass?
I absolutely didn't say that and I do enjoy it.

>>212697821
Casino Royale had a good bond location and aesthetic going for it and that's it. Hot bond girls wasn't enough to make up for charisma void craig

>>212697670
reminds me of blood money https://youtu.be/Do4ppKEqXf0?list=PLFA762DB17046F85D&t=115

>>212685560 (OP)
I feel like both Goldeneye and Casino Royale go on for too long, they kill the pacing before the last act in both movies

>>212697862
I was refering to when David Arnold use electronics, dumbass

>>212697847
It takes a high spot usually when discussing eras, especially the 60s and Connery era, and was looked at most favorably at the time because it needed the strong music and strong plot to try and convince people that James Bond was more than just Sean Connery (which it did very successfully).

A bit of a shame Lazenby's agent was a complete retard though, he flat out told him to quit Bond since spy shit was boring and old fashion.

>>212697893
Plenty of electronics in that track, anon.

>>212697847
Obvious sarcasm
Sometimes a popular opinion is truth though
TLD at number 2 isnt a popular opinion though

>>212697798
Is it though? Electro acoustic drums are more commonplace in film scores nowdays than acoustic percussion (unless we count out orchestral percussion). It works for TLD's score. Your comment is also the first time I've heard anyone have anything negative to say about it.

>>212697890
There are some scenes which could've easily been cut. What always comes to mind in Goldeneye for me is most of the sequence when he's in Cuba with Natalya and he's driving around in the BMW; it was pointless and could've just skipped to them being in the plane searching for the dish.

Casino Royale to me feels like it should've ended right after the final poker match and Le Chifre dying.

>>212697908
If it is, its not obvious then
Some muted noice in the background
When Arnold use drummachines, it dont work as good as the drummachines in TLD you complained about
The synth sounds of TLD are fatter

>>212697925
I'm not being really negative, it's only a criticism. I still greatly enjoy the soundtrack and always feel comfy when they're in the sled with this playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewiBYeTjXqk

>>212697798
THIS is tacky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9XKEykVixE

>>212689394
>Tomorrow Never Dies
Utter kino for the motorbike chase and Jonathan Pryce just absolutely chomping on the scenery whenever he's on screen.

>>212697962
Yeah pretty tacky, such is the time. That style was used sparingly at least.

>>212697862
Barry: fat analog synths
Arnold: lousy midi

>>212685560 (OP)
For me it's
1. Die Another Day
2. Die Another Day
3. Die Another Day
Asian villain dude goes total white face to fuck with bond. Absolute kino

>>212697978
I thought the movie went downhill when they get to China. Its still fun but has pacing issues like most of the modern bond films

>>212697989
I'm not even talking synths here, only that the drum machine he used was basically using presets and was very generic even for the time. The synths in TLD were well done, with the drums being the letdown (and to be fair, the 80s are well remembered for shitty drum machines plaguing otherwise good songs).

>>212687870
CR is as good as Craig's Bond gets. QoS has some merit, as does Skyfall. The last two are not good.Skyfall is worth a watch for a couple of reasons: the hilarious performance by Javier Bardem, and the visuals in general. The use of color is very good, especially in Shanghai and Macao, and the filmmaker captures the bleakness of northern Scotland very well. Probably the best cinematography of any Bond film.

The last one is a cheesy remake of Dr No. Spectre is an abomination.

>>212697862
This hurts to read lol, I've never heard anyone criticize TLD's score. It's also my favorite Bond score.

I urge you to watch it and pay attention to the score during the prague parts where bond's evading the KGB, or the use of the soundtrack arrangements of the title track like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFdMwvNufGA (shorts garbage, the first one i found). Both times its used its pure cinema (the rooftop chase, and the plane scene at the end)

>>212698008
I hate how there's no mystery build up or suspense with the villain, he's evil right from the start. They could have replaced this scene with him staring directly into the camera and saying "I'm evil btw".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjvy2r4vMdU

>>212698016
Actually, 80s drummachines has aged way better than 90s
90s drummachines have a very empty sound
Arnold's drummachines are hard to destinct from Absolute Dance 13 or somethinbg and if you are going to compare Barry's to Depeche mode or something thats way better than sounding like eurodance I heard at high school discos here in Sweden

>>212697935
>What always comes to mind in Goldeneye for me is most of the sequence when he's in Cuba with Natalya and he's driving around in the BMW
That scene where Bond's being confronted about being such a cold hearted bastard is kino of the highest caliber so its worth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdOnuo6ogFU

>>212698065
I just don't like the drum sound much man, I'm not saying the whole soundtrack is bad or anything. It's also one of my favorites since I liked the Dalton era. TLD also had the more memorable soundtrack, nothing comes to mind for LTK except for the main theme.

>>212698108
For me, it's the Janus sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkupPPjS4u0

The way it goes quiet with "Hello James" was absolute kino as was Bean's delivery of his lines.

>>212698065
Its the Strangelove drums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHRabky4Ajc

>>212698103
theres still a pretty vibrant super eurobeat fanscene, but maybe thats 80s because i heard a lot of those trebley kick sounds from a random 909 demo i just listened

>>212698141
there's something painful about multiple songs using the exact same drum sounds, idk why

>>212698103
Europe is very strange with their love of dated sounds, places like Sweden and Germany seem to revel in it. I was in Germany briefly and it was like their music is 20 years behind the rest of the world, it's really odd.

>>212698163
wait till you learn how many 70s rock songs there are recorded with the same ludwig/premier kick drum + mic setup

>>212698160
And eurobeat is the work of the devil, dont help I asociate it with tasteless high school discos I only went to cause of lack of alternatives at that time

>>212698237
thats very very different from digital drums being literal 1:1 since they use the exact same audio sample

>>212698134
this film is extra pain for me because i'm a beanfag and i know there's an alternate universe where bean got the bond gig instead, or its an even split between the 2, and both actors got 2 or 3

>>212685560 (OP)
Just rewatched it yesterday. Some kino moments but definitely overrated. Xenia gets a really dumb death before the final climax even starts, Alec leaves bond alive way too many times, no explanation as to why Bond didn’t signal M to have some people sent to support them in Cuba instead of going there with nothing but a computer programmer and a pistol.
Nobody would remember it without the opening sequence and Xenia

>>212698270
I love Sean Bean but I'm not sure about him leading as Bond, he just hasn't felt like a leading man. Probably a consequence of never really being given leading man roles and always being stuck as a villain.

>>212698260
True
Prince at least manipulated and programmed different patterns for his machines

>>212698260
I disagree. The sample isn't any different from an analog drum kick sound when you factor in audio engineering and velocity control.

>>212698314
its the cymbals that make it really bad, they sound overtly digital and have a way too unique fingerprint to them. cymbals were always a bit of a problem with digital drumkits desu.

>>212698296
come on now, you're telling me this guy couldn't lead MI:6 to victory over his majesty's enemies?

>>212698349
Well, he would be better thn Craig but Craig also is worst Bond

>>212698333
It's pretty difficult to get variation out of synth cymbals compared to acoustic drums but that's usually assumed and part of the mix, but the example >>212698065 isn't really a strong case for that. It's not like the typical up-beat open hihat used in your standard 4 on the floor pattern, but a rhytmic element with some velocity control as well for accentuation, so I fail to see the issue here.

>>212685560 (OP)
It’s the best

006 was the GOOD GUY. He was 100% justified and right about everything.