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Anonymous No.215423058 [Report] >>215423097 >>215423109 >>215423112 >>215423434 >>215424090 >>215424113 >>215424122 >>215424217 >>215425365 >>215425521 >>215425874 >>215425892 >>215426062 >>215426482 >>215428003 >>215428312 >>215428476 >>215428576 >>215428674 >>215428812 >>215428838 >>215429236 >>215429330 >>215429890 >>215430021 >>215430414 >>215430721 >>215430730 >>215430937 >>215431808
is it the worst of the prequels or is that aotc?
Anonymous No.215423097 [Report] >>215428224
>>215423058 (OP)
It doesn’t really matter.
It’s like debating which two piles of shit taste worse.
Anonymous No.215423109 [Report] >>215426482
>>215423058 (OP)
It's the best prequel.
Anonymous No.215423112 [Report] >>215426529
>>215423058 (OP)
Clones is much worse.
Anonymous No.215423114 [Report]
it's the second-best
Anonymous No.215423150 [Report]
I legit started with this movie then borrowed VHS tapes of the other movies after

It was awesome
Anonymous No.215423434 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
It's one of the worst movies ever made.
Anonymous No.215423567 [Report]
None of them are bad.
Anonymous No.215424090 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
episode III for me personally
Anonymous No.215424113 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
they're both equally perfect
Anonymous No.215424122 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
TPM is actually the best out of the prequels.
Anonymous No.215424149 [Report]
It's the best-looking of the prequels, but the worst in all other departments.
Anonymous No.215424217 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
aotc is much worse
Anonymous No.215425365 [Report] >>215425408
>>215423058 (OP)
Phantom menace would unironically be the best star wars movie if they got rid of Jar-Jar and if they made anakin just a few years older. Those are the only major problems with it
Anonymous No.215425408 [Report] >>215425504
>>215425365
I'd add they should tighten up the pacing too, but I agree with everything you said.
Anonymous No.215425504 [Report]
>>215425408
I kinda like the pacing. It has a slightly more instrospective atmosphere to it. The only other thing I would change is to get rid of midichlorians
Anonymous No.215425521 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
its one of the best movies
Anonymous No.215425874 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
AOTC has no podracing
Anonymous No.215425892 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
The best
Anonymous No.215426005 [Report]
Its actually the best prequel.
Anonymous No.215426062 [Report] >>215426144 >>215426529
>>215423058 (OP)
Attack of the Clones is way worse. Duel of the Fates saves this movie
Anonymous No.215426122 [Report] >>215426553
It's the only prequel shot on film so it can't be the worst
Anonymous No.215426144 [Report] >>215427718
>>215426062
Williams' score is not only the best Star Wars score, I think it might be the greatest film score ever. I personally thing Duel of the Fates is the low point of the score, which sets an incredibly high bar for the rest of the music
Anonymous No.215426482 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
The worst is Revenge of the Sith.
>>215423109
The best was Attack of the Clones. The flaws with Phantom and Revenge are almost nonexistent there. The worst thing about it is that some of the dialogue seems underdeveloped. It has the most masterful pacing and tone out of any of the prequels and is the only prequel that I think can compete with the original trilogy. There's a reason everyones favorite prequel has five lightsaber duels in it and the one Star Wars film that goes the longest before two lightsabers clash is considered the worst. It's a fun, gritty space noir that had a great aura and a grand finale that totally spoils the audience. By the time it gets to the lightsaber duel, it feels like a bonus after the entire battle of Geonosis. It's great Star Wars.
Anonymous No.215426529 [Report] >>215426594 >>215426797
>>215426062
>>215423112
Attack of the Clones is basically as good as a New Hope. Phantom was ruined by the edit and what was and wasn't included, Revenge the script itself. Attack has none of these problems.
Anonymous No.215426553 [Report] >>215427769
>>215426122
>A movies quality is determined by the camera that it was filmed on
Wow, you're a genius.
Anonymous No.215426594 [Report]
>>215426529
Just no
Anonymous No.215426797 [Report] >>215427649 >>215427669
>>215426529
Attack is only good during Obi-Wan's detective segments up until he gets to Geonosis where it goes to shit. Everything with Anakin and Padme is garbage
Anonymous No.215427649 [Report]
>>215426797
The last hour of Attack is excellent, what the fuck are you talking about? Everything about it is perfect, the way everything just keeps getting more out of control, culminating in the outbreak of the clone wars. It's one of the greatest finales in Star Wars. There no reason for people to hate this movie as much as they did. Even the dialogue was better than in Revenge, which everyone loves so much. Anakin's joke about not being able to find the right speeder reminds me of Leia's "we ran into some old friends" in a New Hope, showing where Leia got her snarky sense of humor.
Anonymous No.215427669 [Report] >>215428245
>>215426797
The last hour of Attack is excellent, what the fuck are you talking about? Everything about it is perfect, the way everything just keeps getting more out of control, culminating in the outbreak of the clone wars. It's one of the greatest finales in Star Wars. There was no reason for people to hate this movie as much as they did. Even the dialogue was better than in Revenge, which everyone loves so much. Anakin's joke about not being able to find the right speeder reminds me of Leia's "we ran into some old friends" in a New Hope, showing where Leia got her snarky sense of humor.
Anonymous No.215427718 [Report] >>215428245
>>215426144
My favorite theme Williams ever composed for Star Wars was the one in Return when Luke is telling Leia that she's his sister and he has to confront Vader. It's devastatingly gorgeous.
Anonymous No.215427769 [Report] >>215427817
>>215426553
Your brain is fried from shitty digital film and Bangalore cg and you can't appreciate quality filmmaking, sad
Anonymous No.215427817 [Report] >>215428571
>>215427769
I think that film looks better than digital but my point still stands. You act like if it's not one retarded extreme it's the other because your brain doesn't function properly.
Anonymous No.215427822 [Report] >>215427879
Phantom Menace is the best on a sincere level and a 'so bad it's good level.' There are random moments of legit kino where you can feel the old Lucas sneaking in but there are also a ton of totally retarded things. It's legitimately way different than 2 and 3.
Anonymous No.215427879 [Report]
>>215427822
II is like if you removed all the retarded shit from Phantom. III is like if it's only the retarded shit.
Anonymous No.215428003 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
Is that the one with Hershlag's bouncing boobies? I value Hershlag's bouncing boobies.
Anonymous No.215428094 [Report] >>215428199
Most of you are not clearly remembering how shitty Jar Jar Binks was or how much screentime he had in this movie
If you were older than the kid playing Anakin it was excruciating, disastrous, fucktarded.
One big recurring low point. Everything else shtity was bolted to this framework.
Awful.
Anonymous No.215428199 [Report] >>215428282
>>215428094
I loved the movie as a kid from the first time I saw it in the theater at the age of five and even then I didn't like Jar Jar. The rest of the movie made up for it (I can't really say that now as an adult, he needed to go,) but Jar Jar was really disappointing for me.

Actually, my very first exposure to Star Wars was Jar Jar. In the Spring of 1999 I was in a Barns and Nobel book store with my mom and there was a life-size cardboard cutout of Jar Jar. I was terrified. I thought it was the most hideous, uncanny thing I had ever seen (I was four years old, mind you.) But my fear of him also made me interested in seeing the movie. I thought for sure he was going to be a villain. I actually chickened out when I was going to see it with my dad on the opening weekend. He went and saw it without me and finally took me to see it a week later when I had mustered up the courage to face the terrifying Jar Jar. When he appeared on screen I was like, what the fuck? This is the thing I was so scared of? Again, it was really disappointing, but everything else about the film I loved so much that it became my favorite movie in spite of Jar Jar.

Point is, I never thought Jar Jar was funny, and I was the target demographic for Jar Jar at the time. I feel like you'd have to be a toddler to get anything out of Jar Jar. Even five year olds are too old for him.
Anonymous No.215428223 [Report] >>215428250 >>215429301
AotC is so bad that it had an aristocratic villain played by Christopher Lee and armed with the coolest object in the history film, and still no one gave a shit. Darth Maul mogs Dooku and Grievous into oblivion.
Anonymous No.215428224 [Report]
>>215423097
>seething sequelfag still seething
LOVE TO SEE IT
Anonymous No.215428245 [Report] >>215428468
>>215427669
If by excellent you mean absolutely retarded, then you are correct. Flying Artoo, battle droid Threepio, Jango's anti-climactic death, Yoda's spaz out battle with Dooku, they all suck. The giant monsters in the arena are alright, and Anakin's final fight with Dooku is decent, but not enough to save the aforementioned atrocities.
>>215427718
That's a great cue. For me, it's the alto recorder solo from this track at about 2:00 https://youtu.be/UVGfjmJuW-o?si=JvN895dLkY-K5VYZ The brass chorale writing is also heart-wrenchingly beautiful and the counterpoint in the strings is sublime.
Anonymous No.215428250 [Report]
>>215428223
Attack of the Clones is everything that was good about the Phantom Menace and nothing that was bad about it.
Anonymous No.215428282 [Report] >>215428402
>>215428199
Honestly, what was George thinking with Jar Jar? He usually has a pretty good sense for what kids like, and what makes good toys and such, but Jar Jar is such a colossal miss it's kind of insane
Anonymous No.215428312 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
AOTC had much more action. But Dooku didn't have enough setup given how important he is to both Jedi Order and Galactic politics, specifically as Qui-Gon's mentor. Maul being removed without A LITTLE horror movie Jedi/Senate assassination action in the first movie was a bit of a rugpull for how cool he looked, despite the Naboo end fight scene. George could've been more exposition efficient for the run time either way. Third film really needed an older, more chad and built Anakin recast for contrast.
Anonymous No.215428402 [Report]
>>215428282
>what was George thinking with Jar Jar

The Mule from Asimov's Foundation. Chaos agent dark aligned entity, the real product of Plagueis and Sidious experimentation (Anakin as the purely good one, though corrupted). Jar Jar wasn't sensed by Qui-Gon or Obi in the first encounter; the lizards look too much like force negating yslimari from the Thrawn trilogy novels; Jar Jar straight up admits to being banished for manslaughter (the sussy hand gesturing from around the corner, like he's implanting thoughts/words) ... he's still the key to all this Rakata Remnant, Naboo as Greco-Bactria
Anonymous No.215428468 [Report] >>215428527 >>215431606
>>215428245
>Yoda's spaz out battle with Dooku
In almost any other context I would agree with you but honestly, I feel like in the context of the Attack of the Clones finale it works. It's not meant to be taken entirely seriously, it is kind of a slapstick moment, but with everything that had already transpired I feel like the timing just allowed it. You've seen the arena battle, the outbreak of the clone wars, the duel between Obi Wan, Tyranus, and Anakin, and then the force battle between Tyranus and Yoda. When Yoda finally ignites his lightsaber and goes batshit it's like, are you fucking kidding me? I don't know, I feel like it's a testament to how good the tone and pacing of that film is that something that ridiculous could somehow work. Either way, I don't need you to agree with me on Attack. We apparently see eye to eye when it comes to the work of John Williams so fuck it.
Anonymous No.215428476 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
Watch the RLM reviews.
Anonymous No.215428527 [Report]
>>215428468
I will agree that William's score for Attack is incredible. Although the geonosis sequence got butchered in the editing room
Anonymous No.215428571 [Report] >>215428836
>>215427817
and you seem to think that a visual medium's value lies in the story
Anonymous No.215428576 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
Is it weird I never noticed that Jar Jar Binks is in this poster until that emplemon video?
Anonymous No.215428674 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
AOTC was fine except for the painfully bad Anakin-Padme romance scenes
Anonymous No.215428812 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
AotC is surely the worst for the embarrassing love scenes alone.
Anonymous No.215428836 [Report]
>>215428571
It's more than a visual medium.
Anonymous No.215428838 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)

If you watched any Star Wars movies after this you're a moron. Its the worst because it should be the one that kills the franchise for you. Stop consooming.
Anonymous No.215429236 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
“Yippee a pod racer!”
- Sith Lord Darth Vader, age 7
Anonymous No.215429301 [Report] >>215429576
Episode 2 is the worst, obviously

5 > 3 = 4 > 1 > 6 > 2

>>215428223
Not if we're talking about 2003 2d animated clone wars grievous
Anonymous No.215429330 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
They're all good. Youre just a fag.
Anonymous No.215429576 [Report]
>>215429301
You're an episode III gigachad. Opinion disregarded.
Anonymous No.215429602 [Report] >>215429676
V > VI > II = IV > I > III
Anonymous No.215429676 [Report] >>215429948
>>215429602
Sorry, I spilled my Wendy's all over myself so what I meant was: IV>V>VI>I>III>II
Anonymous No.215429773 [Report] >>215429982 >>215430005
5 > 6 = 3 > 4 > 1 > 2
Anonymous No.215429890 [Report] >>215429946
>>215423058 (OP)
Second one from the prequels and second one from the last slop. Funny how the second one from the og trilogy is the best one, though.
Anonymous No.215429946 [Report]
>>215429890
It's like poetry. It rhimes.
Anonymous No.215429948 [Report] >>215429959
>>215429676
You could have just posted that without pretending you were me.
Anonymous No.215429959 [Report] >>215430002
>>215429948
Calm down.
Anonymous No.215429982 [Report]
>>215429773
Revenge of the Sith is the only Star Wars movie George Lucas made that's as bad as the sequels.
Anonymous No.215430002 [Report] >>215430041
>>215429959
You thought of that response before I responded, didn't you?
Anonymous No.215430005 [Report]
>>215429773
>5 > 6 = 3 > 4 > 1 > 2
never truer words had been spoken
Anonymous No.215430021 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
Idk, this one has the maul fight and clones has the end battle
Anonymous No.215430041 [Report] >>215430093
>>215430002
Nope. My format for "your" revision was so different I figured most anons would get my joke.
Anonymous No.215430093 [Report] >>215430123
>>215430041
I meant your "calm down" line, you clearly had that saved for whenever anyone gets mad at you for being a jackass given how often that happens.
Anonymous No.215430123 [Report] >>215430151
>>215430093
Anyway. I'm writing a book on Star Wars and I'm working hard on making it a comfy read. The book will hopefully help older fan heal from the past 15 years or so. Doesn't that sound nice?
Anonymous No.215430139 [Report]
FanS
and no, I didn't have that saved unless you count in my brain.
Anonymous No.215430151 [Report] >>215430172
>>215430123
Are you psychotic?
Anonymous No.215430172 [Report] >>215430185
>>215430151
No, but you're sure projecting. You sound all bent out of shape over a little innocent obvious joke. So calm down.
Back to the book. What do you think?
Anonymous No.215430185 [Report] >>215430203
>>215430172
Yeah, it's definitely schizo hour.
Anonymous No.215430203 [Report] >>215430795 >>215430809
>>215430185
Yes because you're here. Your kind usually is humor-impaired.
Anonymous No.215430414 [Report] >>215430753
>>215423058 (OP)
They're all bad in their own way.

TPM: Boring. Meaningless. The best thing you could say about it at the time is that the next movie could have retrospectively given it some kind of meaning, and it didn't by itself destroy the trilogy or franchise. If the next two had been good it would always just be remembered as the boring one.

AoTC: Failed to fix TPM and made matters worse introducing its own problems. Anakin was a whiny little shit, and the romance stuff was just bad. The Clone Wars felt small and stupid, not like you imaged it at all as history in the OT. Just disappointing and 'WTF are you even doing George?'

RoTS: Would have had to pull a rabbit out of a hat to fix the prior two, (I actually think Sith Lord Jar-Jar would have been the best angle actually). But like the Disney sequels at this point, too much damage has been done, and 90 minutes is realistically just not enough time to fix it.
You'd have to basically SHOW that Anakin is a great, likeable, especially skilled guy that makes his fall tragic
AND SHOW him and Obi-Wan are actual good friends instead of just telling us
AND fix the retarded romance shit with Padme
AND have a standalone exciting adventure plot because it's a fucking movie
AND have him tempted and fall to the Dark Side in an actual sensical human-relatable way
AND have him become Palpatine's little bitch-boy, (though maybe better if you just left that and hint at him becoming further corrupted and eventually becoming Darth Vader in-between movies)
AND have the Republic turn into the Empire in a sensical way, (to be fair there was time spent on this at least).
AND tie up all the lose ends and mesh it with the OT

Failed pretty badly on pretty much all counts.

They each had some good aspects, moments, and at least it was genuine Lucas-verse, that defenders will point to, but overall they sucked and went from plain unwatchable, to boring, to laughable, to stupid, to kinda interesting ideas, to kinda cool moments.
Anonymous No.215430721 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
Thay are all terrible in different ways
Anonymous No.215430730 [Report] >>215430933
>>215423058 (OP)
It’s comforting to watch now with all the hindsight we have and knowing what the current state of Star Wars is. This trilogy is a work of art compared to what Disneys turned it into. At least when I cringe during the prequels I know I’m cringing at George and his lame boomer ideas and it feels wholesome and genuine. When I cringe at the Disney movies I’m cringing at a cartoonishly greedy corporation failing at making entertainment.
Anonymous No.215430753 [Report]
>>215430414
this
Anonymous No.215430795 [Report]
>>215430203
Why are you trying to fight with me?
Anonymous No.215430809 [Report]
>>215430203
>Your kind
Why are you writing like some kind of fictional sci fi villain?
Anonymous No.215430914 [Report]
The Phantom Menace is clearly the best post-Return of the Jedi effort.
Anonymous No.215430933 [Report]
>>215430730
Episode IX was just horrible. Bringing back Palpatine? Darth Vader didn't matter? Cool beans.
Anonymous No.215430937 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
It's a cool movie and generally speaking PT is more intertaining than OT. You can really feel that Lucas was more experienced when filming PT.
Anonymous No.215431029 [Report]
It amazes me that professional writers seem perplexed by what audiences want in a sequel. They openly wonder whether they want the same story again or a different story, same characters in a different original situation, or different characters in the same situation, or different characters in a totally original story? Do you want more of the history/lore, (how did they actually steal the plans to the Death Star? And why was there an exploitable flaw in an impossibly complex machine? Asked literally nobody who saw the original movie ever). Do you want more of the timeline or some alternate universe timeline?

You can do any of those sure, but I'll tell you what the audience ACTUALLY wants, what (You) wanted when you went back to the theatre, whether it be for a single sequel of a prequel trilogy. What (You) are monumentally disappointed by when you don't get it: You want the same FEELS as the first film gave you. It's as simple as that. Whether it's excitement, inspiration, sadness, fear, laughter, a sense of patriotic duty, wonder, adventure, dramatic gravitas, or whatever.

The prequels totally fail to do that in any way even close to the OT. And that is why they fail. The Disney sequels not only fail to do it but actively give you the wrong ones.

Actual plot details, individual action scenes, characters, etc. are all just the delivery system for feels. That's why you can quibble about them and logically maybe they kinda-sorta fit the Star Wars universe superficially, but they just don't delivar at the end of the day.

You can throw all the fucking lightsabres you want on screen in any colours you like, but if you're not generating the feels you got the first time Darth Vader ripped his red bad boy out, you're totally failing. He can Force Choke all the motherfuckers he wants and you wont care like you do in the first movie if it's not reverse-engineered in terms of drama and movie magic that causes feels in the audience. The prequels just don't.
Anonymous No.215431606 [Report]
>>215428468
It's exactly this everything-and-the-kitchen-sink approach that drags Clones down. Aside from the CGI looking worse than in the previous film, I think Clones is pretty good right up to the point where our heroes defeat the three alien beasts in the arena. Then, Mace Windu and the Jedi Order show up, and the film becomes a mind-numbing circus of excess.

Lightsabers can look good under the right conditions, ideally in a 1v1 battle in a darkened environment, but when you have 100 multicoloured lightsabers onscreen in broad daylight, it just looks like shit. Then add thousands of fake-looking droids and clones charging around in the orange dust in a sequence that goes on for years and has none of the slick, stylish visual design that made Star Wars popular in the beginning.

The fact is that in the prequels, all the large-scale battles involving Clone, Trade Fed, and Separatist armies are toy commercials, and this is never more apparent than during this AotC battle.
Anonymous No.215431808 [Report]
>>215423058 (OP)
I've made this comparison here before. Watch the racing scene from Wreck-It Ralph and the one from TPM and the difference is stark as night and day even though it essentially has all the same elements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DsL5B1oto&list=PLh2j6QoY8IvDm8UnVAunuJj6dAV8NYZyB&index=29

Note how efficiently it handles the same shit and this snoozefest in less time and achieves way more in a more dramatic and interesting way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFKaj1iMbhU
>using RiffTrax to show the whole thing in one hit in its full glory so you can feel how much time is actually wasted on bullshit and nothing.

Notice:
>Venelope starts way behind because she's late due to previous events, and Anakin stalls at the start for reasons and because he sucks.
>Venelope catches up and winds up overtaking everyone by hitting powerups, avoiding attacks, and being clever, Anakin catches up and winds up overtaking everyone because reasons and by pushing the throttle forward (again) which was back again (for reasons) to make it go way faster than anyone else because reasons.
>The rest of the Wreck-It cast are watching the race and then have their own parallel drama to deal with, the rest of the TPM cast are just watching and pulling dramatic/worried faces, (boring).
>The shots, leaderboard, and commentary clearly keep you appraised of everyone's position, progress, and the stakes, the same shit in TPM is lame, gay, and uninformative.
>There are no wasted shots where Venellope is 'just driving' and nothing else dramatic is really happening. Most of the TPM podrace is just that 'cars racing' boring bullshit.
>The terrain in Sugar Rush is interesting and shit like explosions on the cake are actually awesome, Anakin racing through rocks is (Yawn) ... what was I talking about again? ...

Seriously, I could go on, but one actually makes me feel shit, while the other never so much as raises a blip. Vanellope even has a 'use the Force' moment ffs.