Thread 215431067

>Replaces a ultra corrupt dead regime controlled by corrupt eunuchs and degenerate warlords with a functional legalist meritocracy
>He himself is actually a very nice, very personable.
>Everyone just eternally seething at him because he doesn't play by some bullshit "filial" rules to a dead order.
Why am I supposed to hate this guy again? because his soldiers wear black?

>>215431067 (OP)
Yes because he dared defy the party

>>215431067 (OP)
Warlords are mob bosses with political titles. History serves to romanticize them for out foxing other warlords, but for how pathetic the Chinese plebs always lived I think warlords should be judged how life is under their rule.

>>215431067 (OP)
Dadudu

R3K was pretty much a Confucian hit piece, Cao Cao was bad because he was a Legalist. Historical Cao Cao was seen as based for much of Chinese history.
https://libgen.gl/edition.php?id=141442327

The speech about failure after Red Cliffs in the 2010 series is one of the only ones I find inspiring in media and I watch it after every time I fuck up at my job (which is almost daily at this point)

Baohhhhh

I wish the show came with a map just got up to the point where Liu Bei steals the gains after Red Cliffs but I have no idea where the fuck this is supposed to be, they keep saying Liu Bei is between Sun and Cao Cao, but looking at a map for 209, it doesn't look like Liu Bei is anywhere near Cao Cao.
Also who are the rest of these jokers? Liu Zhang? Ma Teng? Shi Xie? Zhang Lu? Are they going to be in the show?

>>215432226
Been a while since I watched it, but Liu Zhang, Ma Teng, and Zhang Lu do show up I think

>>215431067 (OP)
>he leveled up

>>215431067 (OP)
>he doesn't play by some bullshit "filial" rules
Yes. That's literally all there is to it. He was a pseudo-legalist and because Confucian elites that actually govern and write laws got their fannies flustered they spent like 1000 years seething at this ONE ideology criticizing their enshrined nepo-baby rights.

That's Han dynasty in a nutshell too.
A Legalist Qin unites China for the first time ever and a Confucian Han usurps it and spends 400 years seething about it while enjoying the unified China that Qin created. Liu Bei wanted that shit back and the novels were written by another Confucian dog that was actually a descendant of Liu Bei's. That's why the novel is so biased and shits out nonexistent war crimes for Cao Cao while trying to gloss over war crimes of Shu and even tries to whitewash TURBO retards like Ma Chao.

People really need to realize that different continents have a completely different foundation than we do. What we perceive as heroism could be perceived as selfishness or even cowardice in asian mythology, and vice versa. This is also (in part) why cultures stemming from different civilizational roots can never truly get along. An irishman and an italian will have plenty of values that they can agree on, even if they differ in nuance. The same cannot be said about a korean and an arab. Common ground is possible, but requires many more compromises and caveats than otherwise.

>>215432226
That doesn't sound right, this is the map that comes with my manga (sangokushi) that I usually go with

>>215432621
Ma Chao was really fucking worthless and dumb.
Guan Yu was right

>>215431067 (OP)
>/tv/ is board free from big eared villains slandering Cao Cao.
Truly blessed.

>/tv/tards have no benevolence
Shocking

>>215432621
Which country is a taoist society

SOMEONE SPOONFEED ME A DOWNLAOD FOR THE BLURAYS NOW REEE

>>215432621
>>215433885
Han was originally Daoist, but Confucians kept gifting books to emperors until one emperor made Confucianism the main religion again.

Also Cao Cao genocided most of the Xu province because he wanted to steal all their money and rob their ancestor's tombs, and that's why so many people decided to leave with Liu Bei to Shu, because they were afraid Cao Cao would do the same to them.

>>215431067 (OP)
Oh yeah if hes so smart why did he decide to send his army to die in the middle of a swamp in china during red cliffs??

>>215433833
You should see /v/ threads. Might as well be Cao Cao's Cocksucking Club. They were extra annoying when https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaG3zHn7_xc was releasing.

You're more likely to come across people giving unironic accolades to fucking Dong Zhuo than Shu fans.

>>215432754
Very true, I love diversity.

>>215434534
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>215434015
https://nyaa.si/view/914676

is the red cliffs movie worth watching?

was lu bu a simp?

Is there a BD for this?

>>215435944
John Woo's? Yeah.

It's 2 movies though.

Oh thank god, a Chinese thread. Quick, please. Give me some C-dramas to watch while I play the new CK3 DLC in 5 days.

CURSE THE HEAVENS

>you will never slaughter eunuchs and humiliate bureaucrats
feels bad man

>>215431067 (OP)
I liked the episode where he slaughters his uncle's whole household over a sitcom misunderstanding.

>>215431067 (OP)
>>215432621
The real reason is much simpler. Writer was a guy who lived in a Ming dynasty and target audience for the novel were most likely nobles and Ming Emperors court. Writing Cao Cao as the hero of the story would quickly earn him accusations of fostering rebellion against the Emperor and get his waist chopped in half. So he had to keep Cao Cao as the villain despite the fact how much he loves writing Cao Cao as this charismatic and smart conqueror dude who really liked other smart ambitious dudes.

>>215436125
It's wuxia shit, but I really liked Laughing in the Wind (2001).

wtf is all this random shallow Ruism (Confucian) slander. Kong Qiu didn't go around telling people to do weird shit like this >>215432621 and he wasn't a "legalist" >>215432099 that's so reductionary. He wrote poetry on concepts of the teachings of Kong Qiu & even debated & attended debates with his other officials in court. He was ousted as the constable of nothern Luoyang because he adhered to the Ruist princple of propriety to the law, which isn't EXCLUSIVELY legalism. You niggas ain't even started reading The Analects, you don't know which fits to what. Don't throw shade like that on him or Kong Qiu's teachings just so you can pick a side to meme incorrectly. Rude.
>>215434466
Also, Confucianism isn't even a religion! It's just a philosophical thought process put to handling issues of day to day life & society!
>>215435944
Yes, but you definitely need to watch the director's cut. It is also very long.

https://gentlemenofthehan.wordpress.com/
This guy is almost done subbing the 84 episode 1994 version, by the way.

>>215432621
>>215436292
Also, modern Koreans are just weird like that because they're trapped in some neo-feudal state thanks to their Chaebol conglomerate families. People just keeping it real on the left is thanks to the cultural revolution more or less forcing everyone to realize that they're human beings & need to chill out.

>>215433833
got your benevolence right here

THE YELLOW SCARVES DID NOTHING WRONG-

I can't fucking finish it, this show started oozing out of every one of my orifices after 80 episodes.
And i regret not being her 15 years ago because the memes must have been hilarious.

>>215436426
Nobody really posted about it back then.

From the same fansubbers who did the show. Is any of these good?

>>215436426
You're missing out on all the wonderful Sima Yi hijinx. Worst episodes of the show are early on when they stretch the Lu Bu romance subplot for way too fucking long.

>>215436448
oh dude, he did All Men Are Brothers too? That's just Water Margin, which you can watch for free on youtube but it's the 1995 version.

DADUDU

BUKENING

>spits blood out
BISHAAAAAA
>that sad song that plays all the time
>that suspenseful music that plays all the time
Kino.

>>215432141
Yes, what is it? Spit it out.

>>215435944
Yes it's enjoyable but there is a much higher percentage of made up stuff in it

>>215432754
What you mean to say, is Cao Cao did nothing wrong

>>215432226
Anon, Romance of Three Kingdoms is only about 50% accurate, so looking historical map is for reference is kinda silly

anyone reading Lord i fund it funny both this and ravages of time have Lu Bu being White

>>215431067 (OP)
He would have like Rome, and adored Caesar

>>215436470
fuck off, Lu Bu Fengxian was the best.

>>215436518
dude looks like Hercules

>>215436445
How could this be? The memes write themselves and get layered on top of each other each episode.
>bôôôh
>ta doodoo
>strokes
>Guan Yu
>Lu Bu
>punished Liu Bei
>Gongjin seething

I put on hold watching this show, but it's been so long I'll have to start from the beginning.

>>215436851
HAO

What am I in for lads?

Is this still free on youtube? Started a watch several years ago, but after like 40 episodes I just stopped. Brother Gongtais death was kino though

>>215436951
BASTARD OF THREE FATHERS

>>215436969
Got removed from Youtube few months ago

>>215436951
Update: Kino opening credits

>>215436172
on one hand I'd like to try that game because the Total War + R3K combo sounds awesome
on the other... modern CA

I was watching it on youtube before the playlist got deleted. Anybody know where I cam keep watching this Kino?

>>215437057
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5YESB7PCTGE5RRTEXYJ3FFMUV45IZ4IF&dn=%5BJiang%20Hu%5D%20Three%20Kingdoms%202010%20HD&xl=154999191352

>>215437057
just google three kingdoms 2010 watch online, jeez

https://ww1.goojara.to/e06eJ1

there

>I would rather betray the world than the world betray me
I know they added this part to make him seem like more of a crafty villain but he was right.

>>215436758
It took a while for people to sub the shows & put them out there for mainstream anons to see. I didn't watch it until 2015.

>>215432817
Is the mango any good? I tried watching the animé but had to drop it because it was too much shounen fights and not enough politics and intrigue.

>>215437041
Hi, I played it. It's "OK" as far as all the TW games go, but the last thing they worked on with it was a lackluster DLC for the 8 princes period during the Jin dynasty. The sieges are also a bit meh.

>>215437187
>as far as all the TW games go
well that's the thing, it varies
you have uber kino games like Shogun 2, fuckups like Rome 2 and slop like Warhammer

>>215437211
Rome 2 is great, it only had a bad launch.
-t. playing it right now

>>215437211
>uber kino games like Shogun 2
For me, it was the Otomo.

>>215436951
Endless honorable crying.

Xun Yu, my main man

>>215436969
>>215437057
https://nyaa.si/view/914676 torrent

>>215437229
well at least the medieval 2 mod was ok

>>215437177
Yokoyama's Manga is the best adaptation of ROT3K

>>215437398
>hahahaha. Hahahahaha. *spits*

>>215431067 (OP)
He's the best.

My main takeaway from this thread is: Confucianism is a poison in the blood of Chinese society and history.

>>215437816
>Undermine an emperor. Undermine two.

>>215437816
Don't worry it's more of a Korean and even Japanese problem now. With their whole boomer worship.

>>215431067 (OP)
Confucianism and Legalism are extremely strong drugs.

>>215437911
Your aptitude at gargling cock is not below that of OP.

>>215437616
Was the All Under Heaven mod released? Thought it was vaporware.

Reminder that the Yellow Turban chimpout and Liu Bei not letting Cao Cao consolidate power were the events that put China in a death spiral to this day.

>>215437398
Unironically carried Cao Cao

>>215437998
it's this one
https://www.moddb.com/mods/rise-of-three-kingdoms-rotk/

>>215438083
Thanks.

>GODS I WAS DONG THEN
>CAO MENGDE? GODS, WHAT A STUPID NAME
>FETCH THE EUNUCH STRETCHER! NOW!

>>215436518
RoT has best diao chan

>>215438290
Damn, that's a good parallel actually. Big Dong really was a strong soldier in his youth. Now just a drunk whoremonger.

>>215438319
>diao chan
SHE WAS A FUCKIN' HU-ORE

>>215438372
>she

>>215438290
>DADSLAYER GET IN HERE

>>215437177
It’s excellent, but for some reason nobody ever posts about it so it’s a little harder to remember who the characters are

If I google zhang he or dian wei right now I’ll get the dynasty warriors depictions, maybe the total war one too but sangokushi never comes up so I can’t have an easy visual reminder. Even “xun yu sangokushi” doesn’t bring up anything sadly

>>215438290
>download the total war game
>can’t play THE DONG
*vomits blood*

This is the worst TV series that i've enjoyed, i don't think i'll ever be able to hate it or forget it.
Despite everything by god: Despite the terrible editing done by an amateur, despite the epileptic battle scenes filmed with a microscope, despite the suffocating repetitive melodrama, despite the reused locations, despite the extras in ill fitting plastic armor obviously not giving a shit on screen, despite the cheapness of it all.
When i catch a horse defecating on set and they kept it in. When an actor slips and looks at the camera giggling but they kept rolling. When the actors' lines of sight don't even match between cuts because they had the location for one day and they had to stitch together the one take they had. When the entirety of china's country side is this one road with the trees or that one quary. When i catch the dead bodies on the floor lifting their heads up. Such objective filming mistakes are just earnest charm value.

And then the next scene features 50 people on 50 real horses charging with the actual actors on the actual horses waving actual sticks at each other with real bonefires and a battlement made of real wood with 50 real extras standing on the wall in the distance banging on real drums and it kinda looks fucking cool.
I'm almost tempted to believe that Yuan Shao's actor actually cut his hand on screen in that war ritual scene because the fake blood they use is of the correct color.
It's a very physical piece of tv. There's a closeness to reality that's no longer found in 2025 and boy does this show suck sometimes. We're talking the soundtrack abruptly cutting mid-scene levels of editing mistakes here.

>>215438682
I think you've got to beat the main campaign to unlock him o algo

Lu Bu's a cuck..Lu Bu's a cuck!

>>215432621
>and a Confucian Han
the han definitely wasns't confucian at first and kept most of Qin's policies
there also wasn't much of a Qin before Han took power, READ MOTHERFUCKER READ

>>215438734
You post has restored hope to this minor servant of Han

>>215438760
you don't have to beat the campaign you just have to defeat him in battle

>>215435930
thank you young master

>dong
>ping
>pong
>bing
>jong
It's not racism it's the actual language.

>>215436530
his actor isn't

>>215436474
>>that suspenseful music that plays all the time
My mind occasionally playes it when I distressed, probably because I've seen this show 4 times already

>>215431067 (OP)
>Medieval euro history
>lots of inexplicable gaps, shady accounts, most of it is mundane, everyone is retarded save a university-educated counsellor here and there, stupid decisions galore, no nuance, everything gets christwashed until all of it is the same flavor of bland

>Mediaval Chinese History
>Everything is perfectly registered and detailed, full of intrigue, struggles for power, religious debates, wise leaders, bloodlusted warlords, cunning priestly counsellors, rebellions are epic, wars are awe inspiring, ethnic conflict, literature and poetry peaked, the material arts are still coveted to this day, while europeans were only figuring out how to carve rough pictures out of stone like primitives

Feels good to be of Chinese descent.

CHU GONG
CHU GONG

>>215438789
So just play ma teng since he dies quite fast

>>215431067 (OP)
You're not. Cao Cao was basically villainized by the Han regime and it until very recently, I'm talking decades, for him to be vindicated.

>>215438913
Because in Europe kingdoms rose and fell, loyalties was tied to rulers rather than any idea of "nations" as such. In China this was much a slower passage of dynasties.

>>215438980
you have to get lucky since he is not on the map at the start of the map and his retinue is quite expensive to summon

>>215438290
>THANK THE ANCESTORS FOR DIAO CHAN, AND HER JADE-LIKE BEAUTY!!!

>>215436951
just a taste. it's a LONG ass story.

>>215438290
>>215438338
Is there a more kino trope than a once-great warrior turned old and fat drunk still with the battle-yearning spirit?

>>215438290
man, I like dong zhuo is finally portrayed as a dangerous warlord in dw origins rather than a comedic fatso. he's one of the few character who got straight up upgraded.

Holy shit they lit a horse on fire.

>>215438913
>>Everything is perfectly registered and detailed,
chinks would burn the old records and rewrite history to suit the current rulers. ten thousand eunuch scribes basically writing soap opera so the nobility can larp. hell thats literally what romance of the three kingdoms is

>>215436951
Only negative I really want to mention is how they recycle mass combat scenes. You'll REALLY notice it, but I understand the budget isn't infinite.

>>215439075
At least they kept it culturally chinese, whereas euros would erase their own true history to make it in line with some jew from some far away desert.

>>215439092
They don't recycle much regarding battle stunts, it's that one CGI charge scene with the OOOO sound effect that comes back.

Cao Cao is a villain because if you antagonize him in the Total War game he’ll just fuck you over nonstop with his jew tricks

>>215439103
Keep your internet-born understanding of the world away from here. You're among knowledgeable historians. This post is not an invitation for you to post anymore of your ignorance.

>>215438396
You would bring anime into this?

>>215436172
Man, Total War 3K pre-relese hype was goddamn strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaG3zHn7_xc

Guan Yu did everything wrong, how could he fuck everything up that bad?

>>215439206
>You're among knowledgeable historians
>he types on 4chan

>>215439103
marx was a jew lmao

>>215436951
To be fair the entire series is also on Youtube if you can't be bothered downloading-

>>215439307
Zhang Fei more like complete fucking retard

>>215439374
That'll be 50 strokes, get bend.

>>215438913
by and large medieval europe is pretty well documented mostly because of the church which was fairly unbiased regarding events seeing as it was somewhat above the control of the european powers. It also helps that Europe actually developed a type block printing press.

>>215432754
>What we perceive as heroism could be perceived as selfishness or even cowardice in asian mythology
elaborate

>>215434730
>You're more likely to come across people giving unironic accolades to fucking Dong Zhuo
his actor was fucking great. Bobby B kong Robert vibes.

>>215431067 (OP)
>>He himself is actually a very nice, very personable.
He literally kills a family because of a (wrong) hunch

>>215439242
the trailer ost was such a banger

>>215439307
I had to look up why i got more and more red with every appearance. Makes sense but it was still funny, "why is he so red?" had become a vocal utterance.
The answer is that his face's hue increases with his current loyalty level.

>>215439601
he's a time traveling dovahkin

>>215439021
is there any way to unlock dong on a pirated version? since when i beat him (and then beat the campaign) i didnt unlock him

>>215434730
>unironic accolades to fucking Dong Zhuo
every RotTK has portrayed his as wiping out bureaucratic eunuchs that were abusing their power and turning the emperor in to a pawn.
ok so he did the same but fuck eunuchs.

>>215438912
It’s those beginning notes that get me. DUNADUNADUNADUN. DUNNNNNNNN.
>Cao Caos face when Liu Bei takes over Xuzhou

>>215436951
lots of talking

>barely show Zhang Liao, but use him just to jerk off guan Yu
Sigh.

>>215438407
LMAO

>>215438682
In Mandate of Heaven you get to play with young Dong.

>>215432119
it's amazing

>>215439057
Zhang Liao's 2 axe moveset fits him so much better than it does Zhang Liao.

But the greatest Dong design is in Wo Long. Peak Dong. Looks like a proper tyrannical warlord that let himself go but can still fuck you up.

Are you more of a yuan shu or yuan shao kind of guy?

>>215440050
Shao

>>215439868
This show made me like Chen Gong. And even Yuan Shao. DW does them a disservice.

>>215439841
Zhang Liao will never get properly appreciated so long as Shuggots control the narrative. His career historically mogged both Lu Bu and Guan Yu but he was a Wei loyalist.

>>215439497
Confucian thought externalizes morality and inscribes moral guidelines like "a father loves his son" into external law order, on the contrary christian thought internalizes morality.
Because of this, understanding between eastern and western culture is difficult.
A christian man (you without a doubt) believes it is right to love his son because he has an intrinsic feeling to do so in front of himself but a confuscian man loves his son because it is the right thing to do in front of society. That doesn't mean the asian doesn't feel love but it means his morals bare down upon him from outside instead of rising from within.
As such the confuscian man looks upon the christian man and sees a wimp embroiled in his own pathos unable to do what is necessary in a given situation but the christian man looks upon a confuscian man and sees some impersonal bug person controlled by a hivemind.
Both men are correct according to their own assessments.

In the TV show at one point Liu Bei, the good character, throws a baby to the ground. A very shocking scene. But he does so because the newborn is of lower importance to his priceless general. In this moment and without argument, indeed the general had accomplished greater feats than a baby. A baby's easy to make. See what i mean now about difficult relations?

So how did Guan Yu get so tough?

>>215440104
Meat bun diet

>>215440104
NO bitches.

>>215440130
He had three sons

>>215433885
The one where dudes kick each other in the balls as a passtime. So NJ probably.

Cao cao was Mao Zedong's favorite historical character and it's partially why modern China does not show Cao cao as an irredemeeable villain anymore

>>215438913
>Feels good to be of Chinese descent.
How does it feel to have been a backwater region for 300+ years while the west gave the world all the tools you are using today?

>>215439075
>chinks would burn the old records and rewrite history
?
Tang founder propagating himself is an outlier specifically because it wasn't done.

>hell thats literally what romance of the three kingdoms is
Original Records of the Three Kingdoms and other non-compilation documents written in 290 were preserved. Which is how, more than a thousands years later in 1591, you got Romance of the Three Kingdoms in the first place. Romance was never treated as records. It was a novel yet even then it held better historical facts than any euro arthurian myth slop.

Stop trying to participate with your shit takes. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>215440104
red face of alcoholism

>>215438913
>lots of inexplicable gaps, shady accounts
maybe during the very early middle ages, and not in the areas that mattered (like Italy, France)

>>215440281
Back to fent tent, lil bro.

>>215440227
None of them hailed from any degenerate affair under the influence of alcohol. Master your own dick before dreaming of mastering the blade.

>>215440050
love my based retard yuan shu

>>215440390
>no argument

SHAAAAAAA

>>215440094
>some impersonal bug person controlled by a hivemind.
aka hobbes leviathan

>>215440375
Man, chinks sure love their soulless boxes and blinking lights.

>>215440403
Zhang Fei and Xu Zhu were living that DRUK life yet they were top tier warriors. Guan Yu even admitted Zhang Fei had more raw strength than him.

>>215440466
he's bragging because this was the one day in a decade it wasn't covered in smog

>>215440466
How is it less soulless than you've-seen-one-seen-them-all american cities? Let me guess, is it because there are no blacks and that's le heckin problematic to the amerifat?

>>215440466
literally
>building :)
>building, china >:(((

>>215440561
america is ~250 years old and mostly build post the invention of the car. so much for
>muh three thousand years of culture
when its all just western(specifically american) skyscrapers

>>215440613
Mutts have chink derangement syndrome

FATUOUS LORD

>>215440637
>AYOO BUT WE WUZ BUILDINGS
What are you even doing?

>>215440637
Fun fact: china invented towers before europeans upgraded their living standards from huts to homes. American "skyscrapers" are just a remix of the chinese way.

This thread is the work of Zhuge Liang. Fuck Zhuge Liang. I preemptively accept your concessions, especially from Zhuge Liang fan.

>>215440809
stop saying that

>>215440094
>See what i mean now about difficult relations?
no. elaborate more.
i don't have a son and don't know what i'd be feeling if i didn't have breakfast because i did have breakfast.
society norms also controp the west. if someone doesn't like his son (back in the day), he'd be thought of as shitty so he won't be publicly shitty to his son.
what Lie bei did wasn't seen as normal by the ones around him either. at least on the 2010 show version. i haven't been exposed to any other chinese media. unless you count gacha games.

>>215440860
chinks are worst than kikes for claiming other peoples accomplishments

>>215440872
Go to bed dadodo

A FATUOUS LORD!!!

>>215440872
"That fox could be here," Sima Yi mused, his sharp eyes scanning the unfamiliar terrain of the Shu borderlands. "I’ve never ventured this far into enemy territory before. Zhuge Liang’s schemes could be lurking anywhere." The crisp night air brushed against his armored chest, a fleeting comfort amidst the tension.
"I despise that man’s cunning," he thought, his fingers tightening around the reins of his steed. The distant echo of a zither melody—perhaps a scout’s signal—seemed to pulse through the valley, blending with the rhythm of his own racing heart. The warm, spiced wine he had taken earlier now coursed through his veins, dulling the edge of his (justified) wariness of Zhuge Liang’s reputation for ambushes under the cover of darkness.
"With an army at my back," he muttered aloud, "I can strike anywhere I choose."

>>215431067 (OP)
Fine I'll fucking watch it again God damn.

If you can watch this without becoming a cao cao man, youre literally lu bu

>>215436951
Kino of the highest order

I remember watching The Longest Day in Chang'an, at a certain point there's this character (a former slave) played by the Blood Diamonds black guy and he's dubbed (in chinese) by motherfucking Cao Cao

Once again i am assaulted by posts from Zhuge Liang in this thread. My nemesis is irrationally mad at me and stalks my activity on /tv/, witness such schemes as >>215440904 >>215440954
The schizoid obsession of Zhuge Liang is uncontrollable.

>>215440403
Why is this retard celebrated so much in China?

>>215441247
He killed a lot of chiggas and was loyal.

>>215436530
>>215436470
I like Lu Bu, but I agree, whenever I rewatch, the only stuff I skip through is the Diao Chan romance stuff, I just do not give a fuck about Diaochan
>>215438708
It always makes me happy when they set a guy on fire
>>215439841
If anything Zhang Liao felt like the only one of his generals to come out unscathed, Zhang Fei is a drunken retard for like 90% of the show and Guan Yu is an arrogant retard especially later on, they just both happen to be physically unstoppable

>>215441247
>celebrated
He is quite literally worshipped, because he was deified a few hundred years after his death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guan_Yu#Worship

>>215441336
I'm dumb as hell, for some reason my brain was reading zhang liao as zhao yun, thats who I was talking about. Zhang Liao is unfortunately barely in the show, the only thing I even remember him doing is when he tries to convince Guan Yu to defect to Cao Cao

>>215440445
HUH
HUH
HUH
HUH
HUH

This show taught me a couple words in Chinese. I know BOOOOOO BOOOOOOOO is report. Tadoodoo is commander. Jokes aside the show is over the top but very fun. One of my favorites.

>>215441734
Tha doodoo is what a great commander is called, a commander is merely a doodoo

Felt the same way about Ishido in Shogun. Everyone shits on him constantly behind his back for being born of low status. Then they all fuck him over at a pivotal moment. I didn't read the book but someone explained to me that he was literally right about everything and Toranaga proceeded to kill the queen woman and her kid so his offer to marry them was protection she rejected out of classism, and her reward was being killed for it. I felt the same thing again when I played Nioh and then read a bit about Tokichiro's historical basis.

Honestly the events of this series all mix together in my memory like a soup.

>>215441857
I mean the Tokugawa shogunate shut down all the progress Japan was making and froze the country for 250 years so yeah he wasn't the good guy

>>215442016
A lot of it is the same shit on repeat to begin with. Liu Bei does battle with Cao Cao, Liu Bei bravely runs away. Liu Bei takes refuge under another warlord, steals some lands, then tries to fight Cao Cao again is a lot of it

>be sun quan
>yelled at by mom
>be liu bei
>achieve nothing
>be cao cao
>have a headache

>>215442537
>wait until you can stab your benefactors in the back then take their shit
>Chinas greatest hero

What did chinks mean by this?

>>215442649
Dude what? Sima Yi and his whole "dynasty" is shat upon.

>>215442649
But enough about the founder of Han

I wish i could one day get so angry as to spit blood. The worst i've manage was to come down with a fever after a week long rageposting crusade on /v/ but a jet of projectile blood before collapsing in public would be more hardcore.

>>215439103
> culturally Chinese
It was lots of different regional cultures turned into a monolithic "Han" for the purpose of nation-building, 1 single national culture. Lots of Sinophones do not recognize the ChiComs as true "Chinese" - more like skinwalkers using Chinese identity to enslave people. In that sense, they're no different than juice who use idpol to stay in power - just onstage instead from the backstage or the wings.

>>215442962
>Lots of Sinophones
The kvetching of glowniggers and their golems only serves to further legitimize the Communist Party of China as the one true leader under heaven.

>>215442829
Strange wish. Why wouldn't you wish for the ability to make others so angry they die while spitting blood? That scene was hilarious in the show with Zhuge and somebody. Just insulted the man to death in front of his army.

>>215431067 (OP)
Kidnapped the 2nd greatest strategist's mom to force him into retirement
He instead could've just forced the 3rd greatest to stop hiding from Kongming for 50 years

I liked the Cao Cao VRChat mini-arc

>>215443553
I don't get your picrel.

Is there any historical personage who could beat Zhuge Liang?

Who was in the wrong here?

>>215431067 (OP)
where could one watch this show for free, sars?no torrents


The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide

>>215445048
tsall tsall for apologizing. he should have tripled down!

>>215440083
Zhang Liao has always been beloved, retard, and he is portrayed very well in the novel. Guan Yu mogs Zhang Liao, Zhang Liao only every defeated some useless Wu niggers. Guan Yu singlehandedly raped three of Cao Cao's best generals, Cao Ren, Yu Jin, and Pang De, so hard that Cao Cao was almost forced to abandon his home region and move his capital if the Wu faggots didn't betrayed Shu. Zhang Liao could never.

>>215445201
you're a gorilla monkey nigger if you think you can just watch this on a stream site

>>215431957
On the contrary, he's the Chairman figure of the story. That's why they made him so much more likeable in this adaptation.

>>215432226
No-one in the modern day knows for sure where Red Cliffs was, like how Troy used to be.

>>215445594
t. Guan Yu.
How dare you make up those lies about your friend. Anyways enjoy your betrayal while Zhang Liao still managed to make wu shit their pants when he was old and sick.

>>215435944
I didn't like Part II at all.

>>215445594
>>215445825
Tiger Blood bros... We're catching hands for no reason again...

>>215436474
>the circus music

>>215440094
The exact moment Shu's fate was sealed. Throws baby on its head -> grows up to be retarded enough to appoint Jiang Wei -> that retard destroys everything Kongming built over decades in about 10 minutes

I miss Deng Ai.

>>215439103
wasn't buddha a pajeet?

stay in your containment thread
>>215434670

>>215446670
?

>>215436951
>Bum bum bum bum bum bum
>Tsssssshh...
>Bum bum bum bum bum bum
>Bang Dik Ow (styled O Fuk) sits at his council chamber, he is surrounded by 1000 generals
>BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO!
>A sentry runs in
>My lord, the enemy has over 100,000,000 troops ready to attack us, just outside the gates!
>Daaa naaaa naaaa... naaa naaa naaaa...
>Woe! Woe! We are doomed!
>All the generals weep openly
>Except for Ho Lee Fuk (Styled Chow Meng), he laughs boisterously
>Chow Meng! You are laughing?! Traitor! Traitor! Behead him at once!
>The generals all rush to their knees and plead on Meng's behalf, Mercy!
>Chow Meng ends his laughter. "Sire I was laughing because your victory is now assured!"
>Tshhhh...
>My lord, please give me 500 heavy cavalry and I will rout the enemy!
>Cut to footage of a guy on a horse being thrown, and 20 dudes with spears charging
>Across the field Sumtin Wong (Styled McDonalds) watches his force of infinity trillion troops collapse
>He spits up blood and falls off his horse
>Freeze frame halfway through his fall
>Fade to black
>Cao Cao standing by an air conditioner or something
>

>>215446172
Like half of the foot soldier extras are like this

>>215445201
Literally google Three Kingdoms 2010 free and click any of those kdrama sites

>>215446936
10/10 summary

>>215431957
>HE DOESN'T KNOWS

>>215431067 (OP)
So this site is just fully overrun with the the third worlders now huh. Don't you bugmen have your own internet?

>>215447522
lol newfag trying to fit in

>>215446936
so fucking kino

>>215432621
Every dynasty has had a Legalist government system, retard, including the Han Dynasty which continued to use many of the government institutions and systems of the Qin although with more Daoist and Confucian elements. Confucianism and Legalism was never completely at odds; there were plenty of Legalists who were respected by Confucians and their ideas continued to be used in Confucian society.
Liu Bei's Shu Han was the most Legalist state out of the Three Kingdoms and was also far more meritocratic than Cao Wei. Records of the Three Kingdoms states that Zhuge Liang implemented strict but fair laws (the main philosophy in Legalism) and a merit-based system for promotion and demotion. Zhuge Liang had many conflicts with the local Shu nobility for restricting their privileges. Zhuge Liang is considered both a Legalist and a Confucian, and he has an excellent reputation. Cao Wei, by contrast, showed far more favor towards members of the Cao and Xiahou clans who were relatives to the Emperor and they also created the Nine-Rank system for deciding official positions, which placed a lot of importance on bloodline.
>nonexistent war crimes for Cao Cao
His massacres of civilian populations are well-recorded in the histories. Cao Cao's reputation has been controversial since the very beginning.
>war crimes of Shu
Like what? There is not a single record of Shu Han massacring civilians or doing other common war crimes. They are by far the most benevolent out of all of the warlords.
>the novels were written by another Confucian dog that was actually a descendant of Liu Bei's.
Luo Guanzhong had nothing to do with Liu Bei.
>Han usurps it
Han did not usurp Qin.
>enjoying the unified China that Qin created.
Qin collapsed after only 15 years. Han had to reunify China and built a system with both Confucian and Legalist elements that unified China for 400 years.
You are a retarded faggot. Do you not feel shame when you comment on a subject you clearly no nothing about?

>>215446936
Kino. Everytime

Baby football lmao

>>215436503
>the greatest traitor has always resembled an honest man
This is kind of a cool line. Makes me think about the honorable hero who may have a change of heart if he is asked to do something that goes against his principles, because an honest man is really only honest to himself and his own wants and needs. They are usually incapable of seeing the bigger picture and what it may cost because their honor is more important to them, and they'll fight to keep it.

>>215446974
And that's a good thing

This show makes me wish I was Chinese... I would gladly run into a tens of thousands against tens of thousands man battle, with all my gusto, dagger-axe in hand for the prosperity of all under heaven.

>>215441142
I NEED to watch this now.

so romance of the three kingdoms was probably the basis for legend of the galactic heroes right

>>215431067 (OP)
>Why am I supposed to hate this guy again?
You aren't. Most Chinese people love him for his embodiment of the 'ends justify the means' philosophy. He actually meant it, and lived it.

>>215448676
It's certainly an influence, but they are very different stories.

>>215448592
>We purposely trained him wrong
>As a joke

>>215436518
Lord is so bad it's fucking unreal.
>what if we take 3K and insert SUPERIOR JAPANESE MORALITY into barbaric Chinese civilization
At least he replaced Liu Bei, who was already a loser.

>>215440083
Chen Gong is one of the lucky ones - between the books, this show and DW he got decent characterizations across all three (less so DW, he's always been an afterthought until the recent games)
The majority of the great characters are only actually great in one of the three, and either shit or effectively (maybe even actually) nonexistent in the other two. Guys who got to be great in 2/3 is probably in the single digits, and 3/3 can be counted on one hand

>>215431067 (OP)
>He himself is actually a very nice, very personable.
>im going to kill this random guy who did nothing wrong and then tell everyone that actually i sleep with a sword and fight people in my dreams that way nobody will try to sneak up on me and kill me while im sleeping

I love caocao, and I especially love the actor portraying him in this version of the three kingdoms but... he is not a nice person.

>>215449459
He's perfectly nice, if you're not a slave.

>>215449459
>>215449525
Also in these cases, "nice" means "not rude."

>>215436448
condor heroes trilogy is pretty fun. demi gods and semi devils is too but i dont think its on nyaa.

>>215432226
Unfortunately since it was so long ago the borders are hard to exactly know and often based to some degree on modern Chinese provinces, especially those in the south. The yellow territory north of Liu Bei on that map was given to him by Sun Quan later since he couldn't really hold it well at the time. So basically most of the territory south of Cao Cao's Xiangyang was in Liu Bei's control and Liu Bei bordered Sun Quan near the confluence of the Han and Yangtze rivers there.

That map is inaccurate in placing Cao Cao's southern limit at the Huai when in reality he controlled places like Lu'an and Hefei which were halfway between the Huai and the Yangtze. So basically Cao Cao's realm stretched further south, and Liu Bei's further north, so they did abut for a time, until Sun Quan betrayed Liu Bei and seized all of Jing.

>>215448592
There's so many hilarious moments like this. Its the best tv show I've ever seen.

For me its the OG 1994 version. 2010 is still solid though, Cao Cao especially was a different and interesting take.

>>215449803
Is there any historical basis for Dong Zhou being a fat ugly bastard or is he just portrayed that way because he was an asshole?

>>215446936
It's as if you are the author of RoTK himself. Are you sure you're not a Ming dynasty literary official?

>>215439868
CC is so based

>>215432141
BAAAOOOOOOOOOOO

>>215450529
He did actually get that fat. There's records of him in the imperial matrix. When he died, they set him on fire & he was so fat that he burned for three days.

>>215432226
Spoilers, and I'm not tagging everything.

Liu Zhang will show up during the campaign that kills Pang Tong and recruits Huang Zhong. They pull the same shit as before where everyone wants to hand over the province to Liu Bei because of muh moral character and ideals. Cao Cao runs a campaign against Ma Teng through letters and frozen mud walls. The Sun branch doesn't really appear in the story too much following Liu Bei going nuclear against them for killing Guan Yu. Zhang Lu is a bit of a footnote, iirc Zhuge Liang kvetches at Liu Bei for attacking Sun Quan when the sound plan would be to attack Zhang Lu to secure a path north to conquer Cao Cao

>>215448659
it's a bit too long for my tastes but sets and photography are gorgeous

>>215431067 (OP)
Will I like the Three Kingdoms show if I liked Game of Thrones but wished there was more stabbing

>>215452140
Probably. Look into the War of the Roses in English history as Game of Thrones is heavily based on that portion of history.

>>215439868
Cao Cao is correct here.

>>215438319
i stopped reading it when >she died.
no reason to tolerate all the shit.

>>215436951
pvre vnadvlterated kino

>>215446936
kek
kino

>>215437398
have some fruits, anon.

>>215438708
>post carnage scene
>humans and horses strewn around
>the horse lifts its head
>the extra pats the horse to lower its head

>>215438708
>And then the next scene features 50 people on 50 real horses charging with the actual actors on the actual horses waving actual sticks at each other
I always wonder how horses don't freak the fuck out and buck their riders during scenes like this

>>215439685
i wonder if he changed his name yet. poor boy.

>>215432099
>invented china
>dynasty lasted a whole HECKING 16 years
>confucians swooped in and established a 400-year dynasty
>chinese are still calling themselves Han
legalists were major cucks

>>215438913
This is such total bullshit lmao. what compels chinese to lie so much?

anyone else is a big fan of Zhang Liao the ultimate chad?

>>215445048
>the old saying that there is no set time for betraying your lord
this guy literally just made that up on the spot

why were notherners so much better at warfare than southerners?

>>215452776
Cavalry spam was really OP at the time. It took centuries for a balance patch

>>215440281
Probably doesn't count because China was ruled by retarded Mongol/Korean mutts during those 300 years

>>215444915
Riboku sama

>>215452140
GoT is shite. comparing it to Three Kingdoms is heresy.
the books are alright but Three Kingdoms is still better.

>>215448339
Lmao, which version is this from

>>215449779
>>215449803
reprints fucking when

Why is Zhao Yun so popular despite not really doing anything

DADUDO

>>215453578
>be some low ranking cavalry officer
>boss died, so join up with other reputedly loyal warlord
>new boss fucked up badly, so has to retreat to another province
>being the new guy, wasn't really trusted, sent to be rear guard while boss bravely ran away
>boss advanced so bravely away from the front lines he left behind his wives and son
>by coincidence come across the women and child
>escorts them back to his lord
>Grateful lord and his son promote him
>Never do anything else so a historical novelist had to make shit up and take the actions and achievements of two other officers to add to the story
>Unable to grow a beard, Chinese brush paintings depicts him as looking youthful and people start thinking he was handsome, despite the fact that only Zhou Yu was historically recorded as being so
>become fan favorite

I enjoy his poetry
Cao Cao by far is my favourite Chinese historical figure and I say this as someone who has Guan Yu on the family shrine
I fucking hate Xuangde and Guan Yu and especially Zhuge Liang
Cao Cao was a soulful man

>>215453817
Zhao yun's feats are so fucking ridiculous that he legit feels like some person's attempt to OCify a historical person

For me it's Ma Chao

Well done cao cao, well done. Unfortunately for you I will have my descendant 1300 years from now write a novel about how I am the morally superior man, making me the victor

>>215453854
grow up and worship Sima Yi

>>215453988
DW gaslit millions

>>215452745
Yeah, he's my fav.

>>215449561
I couldn't get into demigods and semi devils

>>215454031
>only the cause has value
>family doesn't matter only accomplishments
>the family should live or die for the betterment of its head
this scene so totally encapsulates asian culture and history it's insane.

>>215454031
And Cao Cao was the only one to figure out that to have a dynasty you have to have descendants. Then for a dynasty to possibly last, you have to nurture and educate them. And then you know, his kids dropped like flies and Sima Yi's family takes control

>>215454031
>He's so selfless that he cares more about the state than his own family
Such benevolence.

>>215448676
They name dropped CaoCao like three different times.

>>215454214
considering how useless his son was he was right

What would Ceasar and Cao Cao have thought about each other?

>>215454027
>sit around quietly and do nothing for your entire life
>win at the very end and secure your own dynasty
His descendants fucked it all up but he really was the ultimate mastermind.

>>215453940
>OCify a historical person
He definitely was. RoTK writer was a shufag who glazed Zhuge Liang the most, with Zhao Yun was not far behind in number 2.

>>215454031
Would have been fine if he had more kids but for some reason didint.

>>215454673
A thinking mans fetish.

>>215454539
Based would assuredly recognise based

>>215454209
Would Cao Pi have been a good leader and won the war sooner? I really liked his stuff with Sima Yi and the power struggle going on. Funny how many people talk to Sima "you have great ambition" "no no I am a humble fisherman"

>>215455120
Not worth the speculation IMO. It's too far in the past and so heavily romanticized that you shouldn't really infer too much about the actual historical figures

>>215455245
t. Cao “kongming kuck” Zhen

>>215455245
I'm talking about it from a show perspective. In the show he was an absolute piece of shit brother but seemed like he would have done well if given more time. He knew how to use Sima without letting him get out of control and didn't he make friends with his other brother? I can't remember if he did and then later sent his brother away or if he actually did reconcile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOq8KHIA0k4
CHUGONG /co/'s army is banging on drums and yelling /tv/'s the worst board on 4chan!

>>215454711
Luis Beibhad a narrow urethra