Thread 4447756

A thread about all things Heaven Burns Red!
Game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1973710/
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Beginner FAQ! (EN/JP) https://rentry.org/vufyc93m
HBR content play order guide (story, events, recollections) for beginners (JP/EN) https://rentry.org/3nfxh9zm

EN:
https://twitter.com/hbr_official_en
https://www.youtube.com/@heavenburnsred_en_official
English database for event schedules, styles, gacha & enemy stats etc.: https://hbr.quest/
Main Story and Event Stories EN subbed by FLEreverse (Prologue, Chapter 1, 2, 3, 4.1, 4.2, 5.1 + Mari, Ichigo, Kura, Iroha, Irene and Swimsuit 3 events + AB collabs + Bond episodes) https://www.youtube.com/@seraph1305

JP/general info:
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https://www.youtube.com/@heavenburnsred_official
Reroll Guide: https://game8.jp/heavenburnsred/425645
Style Tier List: https://game8.jp/heavenburnsred/425643
All SheIsLegend songs full versions: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKIr2ayXySvD5RjLRZORDzg
ALL Jun Maeda insert songs: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7njeqPki-I0xEARusLnD0w

Previous thread >>4423700

Time for another Heaven Burns Thread, where we will surely soon snap!

Snap events that is. A new addition to the game that gives small time narratives twice a month to substitute a full story event. We will see how often this will happen.
Yukki's gave use some cute RukaYukki moments and Yunyun's was just peak 31X madness.

Swimsuit 5 released right after and indirectly revived a hundred HiguKoju artists, despite not actually doing much for the ship (lol).

The 3.5th anniversary is upon us and with it will probably bring quite a few surprises. The changes to the OD system certainly surpprised many.

EN is on its neverending quest to rush to JP's side and we have already made it to the idol event. A great event full of references for players who kept up with everything in the game and also full of ship fuel for most major ships (why no HisaIno though?).
Right before this we got the Akari event which really cemented the triangle between MisaAkaFubu. Brutal.
5.1 will come out next month, so EN is about to get their world rocked.

https://x.com/ShenYan214/status/1944936314505134159
Cute YuiMiya

HiguYukki is still fun

>>4448008
...who? One of them looks like Yukki. Is the other one Higumin?

>>4448011
yes, the original tweet says it is higuyuki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAWTAwoRgwg
1 hour till it starts!

>>4448229
Mystery guest...

>>4448229
They are selling clocks now? Who even uses those anymore?

>>4448229
Thr new OD mechanic honestly doesnt seem that bad. It was always too OP. Kinda would have been better if it had been this way from the start though. Now people will just miss it being broken.

Big nerfs, but we'll see if they correctly adjust enemy hp to compensate. I think the category changes are good if they can adjust appropriately. Changes to parameter scaling are very good, I've always felt it was so stupid you got extremely minimal gains from clearing content and LB.

>>4448268
SS resonance is a good idea for real.

FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY'RE FINALLY REMOVING THE SS1s FROM THE GACHA POOL. WHY DID I EVER EVEN SPEND CRYSTALS BEFORE THIS POINT

>>4448270
I mean with the SS1 speciifc ticket gacha, the free SS tickets from Domination mode etc. it's pretty much unnecessary to have them in the pool.
Too bad about the SS1 Monaka I rolled yesterday....

>SS resonance
Only specific styles can use the resonance skills and only specific styles can give their team resonance skills. Only two of the resonance skills are usable anyway
=Pull the gacha
>Field, mind eye, and fragile nerfed HARD
Ok, who asked for this? Same shit with OD changes.
>In exchange your stats matter a lot more
=YOU BETTER PULL THE GACHA AND GET THOSE LIMIT BREAKS

This guy is full of shit. Jesus Christ just say what you really want to, fucking rat

>>4448274
You do know that this is how the game was intended to work? Better stats should always have mattered. Also retard, what the fuck do you think you had to do to get all those OP buffers and debuffers? Was it.... rolling the gacha? Oh no!

Lol they actually brought Aoi on to ease the outrage

>>4448276
Feels more like the OD thing was the only thing people were miffed about, but we knew about that since last week.

>>4448275
Resonance having a new universal shard plus it even existing and the intent to release more limited styles is definitely a cashgrab, but it's probably meant to try and make up the loss of revenue from people no longer getting bombed by SS1s.

Honestly I don't think resonance is a good idea for now, since it was effectively given to styles that didn't really need those extra abilities in the first place. I expected something better, like each style having a more unique ability when equipped to any other style.

>>4448275
Go actually kill yourself fucking shill
>Buff and debuff skills from pulling the gacha
Sure, but you could theoretically use the same buffers and debuffers you got from year 1 and still get the same effect. Several of them like Muua's mind's eye is even transferrable. Not to mention all the debuffers who use defense downs and fragile from their S styles. This blanket nerf of them is literally in service of
>You need higher stats
Which you only get from limit breaks after maxing out everything else. So if you don't have enough gold pieces which are still extremely limited for how much you need to LB 3 / 4, you gotta spend $$$

>>4448279
More limited styles is definitely a cashgrab, but the idea that the main mechanic of the game, limit breaks is somehow suddenly greed because they give it more benefits is stupid. Especially because before this it was instead all dependent on how good your rolls are and you getting the busted unbalanced styles.
LBs can be achieved with SS shards and the upgrade station. Stats can be increased via rebirths and soul item upgrades. The game is very fair about giving you options.

>>4448281
You dont understand the game.

>>4448284
Nice defense, retard

>>4448285
>>4448283

Of course the first special SS is Aoi.

>It's Aoi again
Sigh. Horse gacha it is

>>4448283
I'm not the other guy arguing limit breaks are suddenly more greedy. Making an entire new universal shard for resonance is undeniably more greedy though.

>>4448283
You have no idea how much of a damage loss it is to get rid of 3 unique multipliers. You might as well take your max damage now and divide it by 4 or 5.

They're saying that you have to compensate for all that damage loss with stats alone, which is just insane. Stats as they are now are just a way to see if you are going to get the max effectiveness of your skills. We'll see how them raising the ceiling will change things but stats have always just been a linear one to one effect on your damage output with a hard cap. I'll be shocked to see how they would literally cover up for the multiplier on the damage you are losing.

>Ways of increasing stats yada yada
No fucking shit we've always had access to them. But again once you've gone through all of them, which 100% of end game players have already done, your only way is through limit breaks. And where can you get those limits breaks? Through the measly free gibs they hand out or you can get monthly or... Gacha. Gacha. Gacha. Oh you can trade silver and bronze medals for points where you can use to exchange for- nigga you still have to roll the gacha first for those points.

I can't believe anyone is defending the emphasis on getting more limit breaks for news aka rolling the gacha.

Oh and don't get me started on SS resonance shards.

>>4448274
>Ok, who asked for this?
It's honestly crazy, I think a lot of people don't understand how massive this change is yet. For example, buffed old small field characters like dark Iroha, ice Mari, rice field Kura... Their fields aren't the precious fields anymore. It's just a small attack buff in your giga attack buff stack. Very popular fragile+def down debuffers like Miya of Fubuki? It's just 2 def downs now, their value drops massively.

The frustrating thing is that they are fully capable of creating interesting problems with interesting solutions, but all we've seen so far is the removal of those solutions in favor of just raising your power level.

Like what happened to style element resistances? Enemies have been doing elemental damage since the start of the game and the only thing that it matters for is the field. They even got rid of the elemental resistance stat for styles.

Instead of creating fun battle scenarios they're just raising the enemy stats in score attack and calling it a new mode.

It's hilarious how they say these changes are in service of the main story when it takes them nearly a damn year to update it. Again there's so many different avenues they could've gone down. Like where is the difficulty selector option? Or how about creating a challenge mode for the story where you are forced to use lore accurate teams designed by the devs? They already have combat puzzles in the arena so why can't they apply it to the main story?

>>4448298
It's about a 4x damage cut after the increases. The nerf to funnel hurts really hard, but if you're only using 5x small, it's about a 2.5x cut. Stats are linear, but that's the intent, because a consolidated linear scaling is better balance than multiplicative.

If you look at the chart, they stated it's a 2.5x increase if you're at the border. The second increase is at the limit for houju buffs. However, as far as I can tell the chart is simplistic to the point of garbage, because they meet up at the houju border? Which means at that point the stat effects are the same, the scaling past that, around 550 would need to scale pretty good amount. If you assume the chart is drawn to scale, you would need like 900+ stats to make up a 2.5x.

>releasing a three turn debuffer after OD nerfs instead of buffing older styles
They're being really subtle there

>>4448298
Your entire point falls apart because those debuffs didnt disappear. Everything you say pretends they were just erased from the game. Try again.

I also dont get the claim that it benefits the story somehow. It would be much better if they gave you premade story accurate teams with the option to use your broken bullshit team for lazy/bad players.
It takes a lot more effort to balance, but what else are they doing those 10 months?

On the bright side, now that we have Aoi out of the way. We can enjoy 3.5th anni with fireworks theme and hopefully get a lot of yuri content

>>4448341
I wish they at least tried to give Aoi and Ichigo pair swimsuits.... Oh well.
I'm definitely curious who their big 3.5th styles will be.

Nice, my Sumomo can no longer T1 Event/Orb1 with only Suit Tama because of the funnel changes. What did the stat damage changes even do? Her Attack/Dex is already 630/520, and yet even when accounting for the funnel changes I can't even notice any difference in damage.

>we want to simulate the two party gameplay so you can equip support styles now
>support style stats are affected by LB as well
This is legitimately retarded. Just say you want us to spend more money instead of making up toddler like excuses. Did you forget that we already have a two party system? Right instead of designing more interesting fights like Skullfeather let's just implement an effortless cash grab.
Seriously why is WFS so desperate for money right now to the point where they are willing to damage their good will with the playerbase? It's almost 3.5 anni for fucks sake. Just release a new Aoi, Yuina, and Tama and you'll get paid.

>>4448455
I can't hear your whining against basic game mechanics over the cuteness of RukaYukki unisons resonating with each other.

>>4448455
well... they did release an aoi.
they used that poor girl like a shield lol.

>>4448455
>why is WFS so desperate for money right now
They need the $ for another game, or a HBR sequel, or a spinoff, or an anime

>>4448455
>why is WFS so desperate for money right now
They need the $ for another game, or a HBR sequel, or a spinoff, or an anime adaptation

100 free pulls and all I have to show for it is a Wakki SS2 plus Karen SS2 from the ticket. I swear to god the rates have to be set by some sort of account seed because I feel like I can't recall a single banner was ever above the expected rate of 3%.

>>4448544
How many worst possible rolls (1S) did you have?

>>4448559
There's no pull history so who knows. I got tilted after no SS in 5 and just skipped->pull->skipped if it wasn't rainbow. If I try to recall, I think it was probably like 3 1S, 4 2S, 2 3S, 1 1S1SS, but that's hardly reliable.

Also am I misremembering or did they take out the quartz from the half-anniversary SA this time around? I could swear there use to be 600 quartz there. It got replaced with more SS tickets, but tickets didn't get the same change to exclude SS1 so they're just far worse now too. And that's assuming people can even get 2.2m on this score attack after the changes.

>>4448563
>skipped->pull->skipped if it wasn't rainbow
That's probably not a good idea. I skipped an A turning into a SS twice in the past few days doing that.

>>4448564
I'm pretty sure it still plays the voice line+animation so it's very noticeable since I'm not spamming the skip button, just tapping twice to skip to orbs then result. Even if it does skip entirely for ones than turn to rainbow, it's an easy check to see if there's actually any lb pieces in inventory or if your number of gold shards went up.

Aoi saying it's good she has her hyperthymesia in the home screen line is too funny.

>>4448622
Imagine being able to perfectly recall every time you had lesbian sex. Truly a blessing.

>>4448544
Plenty of people get way better results. It's random chance anon, you can't pretend it owes you anything.

The existence of SS resonance styles is actually insidious. They better at least upgrade the big monthly pass to include 1 resonance shard otherwise this is going to get ridiculous, especially with the increased focus on stats.

Hm, so the Unison are Resonance styles, which means now you have a way to obtain them outside of reruns. And all the White Suit styles are also resonance styles now... but they aren't taken out of the main pool, right? So normal styles can also be resonance.

I don't see anything "insidious" about this. Another nothingburger.

>>4448298
>No fucking shit we've always had access to them. But again once you've gone through all of them, which 100% of end game players have already done, your only way is through limit breaks.
Think about what you wrote here. You are basically saying the equivalent "but if I LB4 all my units, how do I raise stats?"
There will always be limits to growth. You are being angry that one avenue of stat grows requires you to pull the gacha in the game... Your entire complaint it completely removed from reality.
Most people who have been playing this game fro 3+ years also have a large amount of styles at LB2+. So how is this any different from having maxed out soul items or done 20 rebirths on a character because this isn't a new game?

>>4448654
>you can't use your SS pieces or the gauge on the new Aoi
>I don't see anything "insidious" about this
There should be a point where one puts their blind fanboyism aside and looks at the situation as it actually is. Even you can do it, I believe in you.

I'm getting mixed feelings about the last decision to nerf the damage calculation and create a new gacha rarity.

I know the game has a problem lately because it is too samey. After all, the meta build is too strong. Especially since Sumomo can pretty much demolish anything.

Seems their decision to nerf this so suddenly might have come from their top board/stakeholder. Otherwise, there's no way to avoid the flame from players, more so the OD controversies still not even being implemented.

Also, they think the 3.5 Anniversary will be the buffer to soften the damage from the backlash.

They should just revamp all the battle content altogether instead of putting a band-aid just to fix this temporarily. I don't even think this will be fixing the core problem on game balance in the first place...

Either way, I hope there will be good stuff at the 3.5 Anniversary Livestream, need some content update soonish.

>>4448658
Nobody cares about this shitty fanservice Aoi. I'm saying that limited styles like the unisons now have an avenue to be obtained outside of hoping there will ever be a rerun and that styles that are not limited like that also get resonance.

>>4448661
>Nobody cares about this shitty fanservice Aoi.
But it wouldn't be only Aoi. They already showed that characters like Misato or Yanagi can also be resonance in the future. Do you honestly can't understand or what? Any random unit they release can just be non-upgradeable by the normal LB resources and you will be forced roll only for them because they said so. You can use these resources on the old resonance units because they would get a lawsuit otherwise, that wouldn't be the case for any new one.
>I'm saying that limited styles like the unisons now have an avenue to be obtained outside of hoping there will ever be a rerun
They're still limited and are only available through reruns, they didn't add them to the pool.

>>4448663
>They're still limited and are only available through reruns
Resonance SS shards...

>>4448666
How is that better than what we had before?

>>4448668
Far as I understood you can get resonance tickets and get the resonance styles specifcally. And with those shards you can upgrade them.

>>4448669
What tickets? Where you get that from? They're literally rerunning unisons right now to make people roll for them.
>And with those shards you can upgrade them.
So far the only source of resonance shards in the game is when your unit is full lb, and you roll another copy.

>>4447759
It's been 2.5 years since Kura's last SS style came out... and now they nerfed her heal field.
The 3.5th anni style better be Kuracchi...

>>4449295
Considering that Monaka got many new sprites recently, it's easy to assume 3.5 event is going to be focused on her, especially considering most of the new expressions are her being sad.

>>4449323
And injured apparently. Interesting.
I honestly, genuinely feel like Monanyan never got to have proper closure. She literally just brute forced her way through grief. It's almost madness that Yuina got to have more closure than her.
And yeah, Monaka deep dive is one of my top 3 things I wanted for years now.

>>4449323
It's possible that Monaka stuff is for 5.3. We had the same thing last year, when they added a bunch of karetsuka sprites, and some people were convinced they would get an anni event, even though 4.2 Megumi was the most obvious option ever.

>>4449334
It's way too early for 5.3 data.
Also, there's no other unused sprites beside those rn and swimsuit Ruka sprite got updated (just allowed to toggle the blush option) and Vri got one new sprite which probably mean she'll have her event at the end of August or early September.

>>4449338
Also forgot to add that every anni event is Maeda and that he basically only does 31A,B, C and 30G.
Last year was already 31A alone, last event was 31B so it's either 31A+C or 31A+30G.

>>4449338
I literally used 5.2 KareTsuka as an example, they started getting sprites in May/June last year. Please, don't make go and check the archives for something I 100% know happened. Also, according to CN leaker, they already started adding script files for 5.3 a month ago, it was something about faith counter and something implying prison, I just forgot to post about it.

>>4449342
I hope that leak about 5.3 is real because only main story update news during 3.5 anni would negate the money hungry bs they've implemented. Praying that it won't be a split chapter like last time either and the allegedly improved dev cycle means we get the whole thing

>>4449464
Motherfucker... Literally just a dozen posts above yours. >>4448684

>>4449431
The leak is most likely real, because it's from the same person who leaked 5.2 split/wave/admiral last year. However, them adding these things early doesn't mean they will release it early, so I'm not that hopeful.

>>4449480
Let's say the new chapter releases in November, which is pretty fair I think, then getting a teaser 4 months ahead seems possible.

How does the current Score Attack even work? I'm just at level 40 and somehow it one shots my team?? This can't be because of my stats, my team is pretty strong...

>>4449583
ok, so 40 is actually just super high difficulty. They just lowered the number. I barely managed to beat 32 + 25. Probably doesn't help that I can't get my head around the resonance and support mechanic yet.
I'm gonna master this new system though, just you wait WFS!

>>4447756 (OP)
Oof. To say the community did not like the changes is an understatement. I'm not a gemaplayfag so I just don't care that much as long as the story and event content satisfies me, but this is gonna hit the game hard and affect me too in the long run.

>>4449631
Supports are simple, you just slap your biggest stats unit and call it a day. Resonance mechanic is kinda crap right now, because the amount of resonance units is extremely limited, but you can only resonance the same element as the original style. So, if you, let's say, want to resonace 31A skill on a fire unit... you just can't. They didn't make any fire 31A styles resonance supports.

>>4449648
Oh so that's why I can't pick the styles I want for the support. That's annoying. I was trying to make a squad of only yuri couples, but it didn't quite work out.
Those support skills seem to be decent though at least.

This is the most yuri squad I could make with the new support function. Not very viable, but cute.
Good thing that all non-elemental styles work with each other or there would be no chance for HisaIno ever.
If I had Isuzu's light style I could actually have used Ichiko's white suit, which would have been nicer.
Finally having Mari's wedding style doesn't feel shitty anymore, because you can directly attach her to Adel lol

>You can't even limit break resonance styles using the LB gauge that takes forever to build up
They could've at least given us this option. It's slow as hell just to get a LB 1 from the gauge. And they can't even spare that?

>>4449715
This specific change was based on pure greed, so no, they can't. I don't have any consumer friendly explanation to justify this resonace rarity thing, they just want people to roll more on the high value banners.

>>4449719
>they just want people to roll more on the high value banners
Which will become more common, to be replaced by either a more broken application of this mechanic, or a more broken entirely new mechanic, which will become more common...
At least these resonance banners aren't limited, right?

>>4449648
>but you can only resonance the same element
That's the shittiest part of the resonance system. Say if you were to build a team of 6 ice styles, you would only be able to equip supports of the ice element. So if you don't have a bunch of limit broken ice styles in addition to the 6 you are already using, you're going to take a huge stat drop.

>>4449720
>At least these resonance banners aren't limited, right?
How would that work? Just permanent banners? The hell?
90% of resonance styles rght now are either unisons or white suit styles. Unisons get their banner reruns fairly regularly lately and white suits are in the normal pool.

>>4449731
Well where's the "resonance" part if they ain't somehow similar? The idea's in the name. The only way they could expand on this is letting the same basic damage types resonate (e.g. ice/pierce can resonate both with ice and pierce styles). Or maybe inter-squad resonance. All 31C styles being compatible for example. Instead right now the resonance skills seem to be squad based.

>>4449677
>no MeguTama
invalid

>>4449639
Surely they did the changes knowing that whatever they announce during 3.5 anni will salvage everything

>>4450278
Even if it's sarcasm, don't give me hope like that... How could they potentially counter the last two streams?
Main story trailer? New game mode? Collabs with popular Gacha to bring in new people?

>>4450478
>collabs
That would suck. I don't understand people who want more garbage outside IPs to be involved. You know it will either be other Key works (not yuri) or some popular het garbage.
>main story trailer
This would certainly placate me. Not so much the numberfags unfortunately.

>>4450478
>main story trailer
keep dreaming lol

>>4450479
>other Key works (not yuri) or some popular het garbage
You mentioned the same thing twice. Still, didn't the Angel Beats collab add subtext between Kanade and Yuri?

>>4450483
It didn't. The second collab at least cemented the only yuri pairing AB already had, so there is that.
This is not really a situation you can repeat with any other Key story.

I mean, we got snap events and no big new game mode like the open world stuff with Nanamin. We didn't get a completely new song either for two months now.
One would imagine that the extra dev time goes to the main story. What else could they be doing?

>>4450488
>What else could they be doing?
Fucking up the gameplay more
Doom aside, main story trailer isn’t far off of an assumption. A mid case would be an interlude teaser or snap events of unpopular characters. Worst case is just giving us the event story and nothing else to look forward to. I’m always expecting the worst with WFS

>>4450491
The 3rd anni was pretty packed. It's always a possibility.

>>4450273
Sorry to be that guy, but MeguTama is still the least substantial main ship. Aside from the electrocution fetish and some really out of pocket Megumin lines, they generally feel like sisters more than anything. Of course they still got gay subtext, because this is HBR, but it really is quite weak considering they got TWO main story chapters devoted to their relationship. KareTsuka got like 1 1/2 and have been breezing easily past everyone except RukaYukki.

>>4450278
If they did the changes knowing they needed 3.5 anni to salvage it, why not wait until 3.5 anni to announce the changes? Surely that would've been better than not giving a response for 2 weeks while the game goes up in flames and hoping people come back later.

>>4450478
If they release a crossdressing Riki and Kyousuke unison, I'll drop enough money to LB4 the resonance.

>>4450720
I'd rather they released, and converted, any of the hetsluts in Key games. Which was until HBR released all of them.

>>4450720
>fujo
>on /u/
You took a wrong turn.

>>4450507
Eehhh 4.2 didn’t really focus on MeguTama as a pair but more as individuals who share similar pains. Karerin’s development in 5.2 had a lot to do with Tsukasa so they feel a lot closer and developed as a pair

>>4450909
I think it is very clear that each other's absence strongly affected both Megumi and Tama's actions in 4.2. Although it does feel like Tama was far more tied to Megumin than the reverse.
So yeah, I think it was about MeguTamna regardless, just focusing on the effects of being torn apart instead of connecting further like KareTsuka. But the fun thing is that those roles are reversed in the finales. 4.2 ends with Megumin vowing to never leave Tama again, while 5.2 ends with an unchangable goodbye.

Apparently, they also doubled the story enemies stats with the recent update. You can see it if you compare the 4.2 bosses on en and normal hbr.quest.

>>4450915
Not all stats, but hp/dp, bad wording. If they doubled the border, it would be over.

>>4450915
Good. It was painful to see how easy the story bosses got for new players. They didn't understand our struggles.

>first they ruined Waki
>now they ruin the whole gameplay aspect of it
Man, I don't even know if I want to keep playing this. Sure it was fun while it lasted, but if this is the path they choose to go down, then it will only get worse and worse from here on out.

>>4451051
Hyperbolic nonsense. I have been playing rhe last few days and literally felt no difference in gameplay. This shit must only matter to numberfags or to extremely new players. Bungo, Irene and Sumomo still destroy everything. I can still farm level 4 hard orb bosses with those teams, which is considered high level content for anyone who is just playing story and events.
>ruined Wakki
This claim is still so fucking weird. Not only is Wakki an irrelevant side-character when it comes down to it, Maeda obiously set her up for a character arc. This "steeled Wakki" can't be her end point. It runs contrary to her whole Bungo relationship and 31C already has acted worried about it. Until we learn Bungo's true backstory, Wakki is not done. She crashed out and acted like a bitch, true, but that's just trauma.

>>4451051
See you tomorrow, for the dailies.

>>4451063
>I can still farm level 4 hard orb bosses with [Bungo, Irene and Sumomo]
And, presumably, you can without them.

>>4451079
>And, presumably, you can without them.
Oh definitely. My elemental teams are still strong enough to do it, and Aoi Block is as broken as it has ever been. But crit pierce just makes farming less of a chore.
My point is just that if this gameplay change was meant to make the gameplay recognizably worse for people who just play story and events, then it just doesn't.

https://x.com/heavenburnsred/status/1948715516971155912
Well, it took them a week.

>>4451082
They gutted damage by over 1/3, made tons of older styles MUCH worse by virtue of making many "rare" and thought after ability worse than a BASIC enhance / def down, and on top of that doubled (?) HP/DP of story enemies. Possibly more than that in later chapters.

If this isn't a good reason to drop, then there's never one. For casuals things get harder, for non casuals everything you spent any money for is worthless. Fanboyism can only go as far as there's still some sort of ground to stay on. With these changes, there isn't.
Like it or not, you need people to spend money on the game if you don't want it to end up dying. And this isn't the way.

They milked this game for 3 years barely doing anything to progress the story. Events have become worse and worse as they also stopped being allowed to do any actual lasting character development, which is weird as fuck. The game getting less popular as a result is obvious. You can't just keep everything at status quo forever and hope it works.
The gameplay isn't even that relevant there. But that is the only thing that got faster and smoother in the last good year, and arguably even kinda fun. That was killed, at the worst timing possible.

>>4451712
>drop
>because of gameplay
Retarded. What the hell did you play HBR for.
I wasn't doing any fanboyisms either, I just recounted my actual experience. I'm using the exact same teams I did before to farm the same content I did before without any issues. I doubt I will remotely struggle with any event boss ever and the story bosses might finally feel like they can do something to my story accurate team again if the next chapter is on the same level as 5.2.
>theY neVer ProgrEssed AnyTHing and EvenTS are worSE and worse!!!!
Oh right, it's you. The same old retard spewing the same old bullshit. You just feel empowered now because people are actually angry about something unrelated to your shitty opinion. Did it bother you that much getting assblasted every time for being the minority opinion on everything?

I will say it as many times as you bumblefuck your way into this thread, the story has been progressing steadily and has been advancing boht old and new mysteries and characters every single time. The events are still extremely quality and people like them. It's honestly astound what confidence you have in your retarded false narrative about "no character development" when that is literally what 90% of events are all about. You are talking out of your ass because you dont actually play any events. I bet you dont even play the story mode either. It's the only way you could be so wrong.
>the gameplay got better and fun
Hilarious, because them releasing broken style after broken style to the point where the gameplay was pointless was one of the only things people were actually complaining about across the last year. It's like you live in a mirror world where everything is reversed.

>>4451674
It’s so much better for them to address this before the anni event because people just want to have fun during anni and not have to think about this huge elephant in the room

i just want to see the main scenario be completed someday...

>>4451784
>main scenario in a gacha/online game
>finished
Short of asspulls, I don't see the main scenario finished conclusively but still leaving a door open to future installments.

>>4451674
lol they actually did what I suggested and added the resonance shard to the big monthly pass

>>4451814
of course as a gacha there will continue to be stories for as long as the game is alive. though maeda once spoke of having a "final scene" in mind for the main scenario in an interview, so I meant that I wanted to at least be able to see what he could have meant someday.

>>4451674
tldr
>OD
+no more OD cooldown, OD use is reset after battles
+max OD use is still preserved along with the QOL changes
(imo: still retarded. Just get rid of the OD changes all together and STOP RELEASING STYLES WITH INFINITE USE EX-SKILLS. It's really that simple)
>Enemy HP and DP increases
They're reversing it
(Erm why? Make up your minds or just add a difficulty setting to the main story already / add a challenge mode with preset teams)
>SS Resonance
+They're adding resonance shards to the monthly pass and you can get them in-game tba
+All 2025 Resonance styles except Aoi can use regular shards
(good change, but I can already tell the non-pass method to get them will be super sparse. Eh it depends on the quantity of Resonance styles they release. It's still shitty, but you should be buying the pass anyway haha)
>Battle balance
They'll take player's feedback into consideration and implement changes in the future
>etc
There will be an official dogeza stream on 7/29 and free gibs are already distributed

>>4451784
>>4451858
Yes, there will be a completed story. What they are gonna do after that, who knows?
I bet there will be a 5.3 trailer at the third anni. It's the least they could do.

>>4451872
The HP/DP thing was actually fine, I dont get it either. I guess some casuals would struggle with Razing Eclipse or Kaleidobouros?
>buying the pass
The one you cant get on Steam? Oof.

>>4451872
>no more OD cooldown
Why are they actually trying to make it worse?? The infinite turn shit was already bad enough. Now you can just chain OD into OD?

>>4452112
You can't do it endlessly is the point. So it's a smaller nerf while still fixing the issue

>>4452114
It didnt fix anything though? The issue is that people could basically do infinite turns due to OD build up and turn repeat skills like unison Yuina's. All they needed was two turns at most, because of the OD cooldown. Now it will just be reduced to 1 turn without exception. Nothing was fixed.

>>4452115
Listen you don't even know what you are talking about. Just pretend nothing happened because it kinda just amounts to that

>>4452116
I know way more than you apparently, as you don't understand what the cooldown mechanic did and how people did infinite turns with just two "real" turns before. Whether OD is limited or not literally doesnt matter to that, because you only use 2 level 3 ODs to begin with. Having no Cooldown just means people can spam their ODs without interruption.

>>4452117
No they said they were reverting their decision on OD cooldowns not letting you OD while OD

>>4452118
Explain what you actually mean by that, because OD cooldown is when OD ends and you have to wait a turn before you use it again.
Your post did not imply they removed the limited OD uses, so what the hell are you actually talking about when you say "removed the cooldown"?

>>4452119
Just read their official post. OD cooldowns remain as they are now. There is still a limit of 9. And they did not remove unison bungo

>>4452120
So it's still a nerf, not that I mind it. But the part about how it resets after battles means the OD limit is not that problematic in dungeons or Arts Battle.

Oho, EN has reached Sharo's funmare! I loved that one.

>>4451872
The fact that they are actually apologizing means they really thought everyone was stupid enough to just lie down and accept it

I have no idea whose idea it was to so brazenly announce mass nerfs after an already massive nerf and then also push out such an obvious cash grab with resonance styles, but I really hope they are fired

Ultimately the end goal of the nerfs were warranted, but the way they went about it was to punish the players for their own mistake of releasing busted styles. And yet rather than going down the most destructive path they could've just
>released a new SA difficulty with bloated stats like they did
Simple, boring, but status quo
>Or god forbid put some actual effort into the gameplay
Why can't we get SAs with actual gimmicks like other games? And not just simple one-dimension ones like an E-shield or damage cap, but actual gimmicks that force creative teambuilding. I think most players would prefer interesting problems with interesting solutions over just how can I do the most damage. Hell, the hard version of Skull Feather head was a fun fight with its double attacks and crippling debuff. Why can't there be more thought put into the regular battle content. Could they just fire Shimoda and replace him with the guy who created live mode all on his own?

Regarding Resonance styles, it so obvious they're a way for them to stealthily devalue the gold piece system. But damn if you're going to be predatory, at least give us the carrot and not just the stick. I would've also raised all SS rates to 4.5% and rate up to 3%. That way yeah you're getting fucked in the long run, but you could also just be lucky, ya know?

>>4452152
>Why can't we get SAs with actual gimmicks like other games? And not just simple one-dimension ones like an E-shield or damage cap, but actual gimmicks that force creative teambuilding.
Except with the busted styles none of those would actually matter. They would have to limit what styles you can use, which kinda gets rid of the whole "creative team building" thing you champion.

>>4452163
At the end of the day busted styles are going to be busted styles, there's no circumventing that. Every game has them. But god forbid we get a score attack that isn't just grades that don't mean anything while you just buff and debuff to win. I thought skull feather head for instance was an interesting fight. Sure you can cheese it with unison bungo, but if you fight it legitimately, it's fun. And there's nothing wrong with being able to cheese content you are meant to farm either. I'm just asking for regular gameplay content where you have to actually think and not just crit pierce through. I can think of multiple gimmicks on the top of my head if you asked me to. For example for the Yunyun snap event we could've had a score attack where one of the gimmicks is that you have to deal more damage each turn or several turns than the enemy Yunyun and Carole or else you get punished heavily. It's like you gotta yell mozzarella louder or you lose. So you need to be constantly attacking while also buffing and debuffing. There's more elements to the fight I would like to add, but it ain't my job to balance things. Just the existence of being able to switch teams opens up so many interesting combat scenarios, but hell will freeze over until they decide to use it in anything else other than the story rematches. Last thing I wanna say, Breakers have been unusable for 3.5 years unless they are broken to the point they aren't even breakers. And if that isn't pure laziness, I don't know what is

>>4452185
They already did a bunch of temporary gimmick content. What I'm saying is that your complaint about "not just having to crit pierce through" would apply to every single gimmick regardless. Just drop that complaint and maybe you would make sense. If you acknowledge that gimmicks only work if you ignore the busted characters that can circumvent it you have an entirely different situation.
Did you forget there were already event SAs with a boss that can attack twice per turn, one with a front and backline gimmick, one with a boss that gets stronger attack the more OD you have etc? They do gimmicks. Even more in story bosses. But those dont matter when you just use Bungo to cheese.

So what it comes down to is: Make more permanent and in depth gimmicks that every player is going to just circumvent anyway? Or limit the broken styles from being used, but then making people feel like their gacha rolls are being disrespected? Either way it would take some effort and it seems to me that WFS is always working at capacity, which is why they don't have the ressources to do everything they want.
>Breakers dont work!
They have always worked and there have been different gimmicks for Breakers that made them useful or meta. I am so fucking tired of you being so goddamn stuck to the initial and limited definition of a Breaker's role. It's retarded. Do you realize that no role is stuck at doing only what it was originall intended for? Blasters are basically Attackers half the time and a bunch of other roles can be debuffers or buffers etc.
Dark Yukki, Yuri2, Sumomo3... there are plenty of relevant Breakers. Superbreak, buff removal and crit pierce are all strong.

>>4452187
>Blasters are basically Attackers half the time

>>4452189
They should just start combining classes. Attacker/Blaster, Breaker/Debuffer, and Healer/Buffer. Defender is rare enough and can probably be included under Buffer anyway

The consolidation and loss of role identity is literally one of the main causes of the boring monotonous gameplay. Instead of designing battles that bring out the core of each role your team comp now might as well be: dps, buffer, debuffer.

>>4452192
A lot of Defenders kinda took healing duty anyway. So a Defender/Healer hybrid seems pretty normal.

>>4452193
You still need Blasters for destruction rate, no way around it. And defenders are still useful for tanking hits or defense up.
You say it makes it more boring, but in the end its about specific style synergy, not about "classes" and that is how it's always been.

Even in the Sharomare, Ruka still is loyal to the wife. Truly inspiring.

>>4452196
What do you mean there's no way around it? Why can't an enemy have a gimmick where their DP can only be damaged with a +DP attack and as soon as they are broken they gain a huge resistance to +DP attacks?

>>4452200
....I'm talking about what is actually in the game and how roles work with it. Try doing any hard battle with a boss without a Blaster. Getting destruction rate up with other roles is a pain in the ass.

>>4452201
And I'm saying why can't it be a pain in the ass to break or interact with DP without a breaker instead of relegating them to becoming buffers/debuffers/attackers

I've been super busy this month so I have way too much stuff to catch up on. First I did all the new memory episodes.

Aoi's:
Ruka and Aoi trying to reject each other's pick up lines at the beach and failing was pretty fun. Especially because this time they acknowledge each other as swimsuit beauties, so it has no het connotations.
It was all a dream... but at this point that makes me wonder how "canon" those dreams are. There is always some subtext when it's Aoi or Kura's memory episodes.
Ruka is gonna get herself shot by the Minase sisters one day, that horndog.

Iroha's:
It's an episode about everyone trying on wedding dresses! They're finally getting some use out of those wedding styles I guess.
The Ohshima family one kinda annoyed me... Everyone getting mindbroken by the idea that Ichiko is getting married to someone one day is kinda funny, but also just reinforces the problem with Ichiko's wedding style, that it implies she will get together with someone other than her sisters.
Sharo... of course she thinks she will marry Ruka right here and now. I have gotten really attached to delusional poet Sharo who will make up scenarios in her head and basically write romantic fanfiction of ShaRuka lol. It's so good that they occasionally sprinkle in genuine chemistry between them too.
Irocchi is the final one to wear a dress and that was kinda wholesome. I'm surprised Saku-chan wanted to snap her picture considering there was no yuri involved. I guess the sheer romance dripping off Irocchi was enough.

Niina's:
NiinAsami! This was an entire episode dedicated to NiinAsami!! It was really cute too. Niina waiting for Asami to return from a business trip like an anxious housewife. Going on a date with her to refresh her body and mind in different ways. And of course Isuzu's massage service which is somehow really popping up everywhere now.
I think what I liked is that even when their hearts were unlocked by Isuzu it just kinda helped them establish their dynamic more and showed how much they really think about each other.
And Isuzu's final comment is so good.
Love it.

Muua's:
Ghost Hunters! Muua is scared of ghost rumors, because she can befriend any human apparently, but ghosts cant be friends... Honestly this clearly subtly plays into her trauma and fear of dark places. You can literally hear her revert to her childhood self when she remembers watching a horror movie with her sisters.
Koju is becoming the most reliable person around the base. She is just always up to support people and throw hands with evil apparations.
The twist was funny as usual, but for some reaosn Muua episodes always turn out to be wholesome in their own way. I really love this dork.

>>4452187
>Dark Yukki
Was never relevant.
>Yuri 2
Same
>Sumomo 3
That's an Attacker.

Unironically the only ever relevant breakers were those you use for 1 turn farming until Bungo happened, who just happens to be good enough to also be the "Attacker".
Breakers have been a shit concept no matter how you look at it. But not like it matters anymore. They got themselves a game they develop themselves that does everything HBR combat attempts to do a lot better, and is older as well. It's boring, but basically every single problem the game has can be solved by borrowing from there.
Instead they have been retarded and only borrowed some things and have no idea how their own game works. There's no salvaging this. Game is done. Even if you only care about the story, you can't run a gacha when nobody spends mattering money and only stay for story reasons, unless you lock story behind gacha. And if they do THAT NOW.. it's not just over.

>>4452912
>Dark Yukki
>Was never relevant.
Opinion dismissed.

>4452912
This guy actually thinks the only reason to roll the gacha is numberfagging. How removed from reality?

Official AoIchi acknowledgement? That's rare.

>>4452914
I've been playing dark since dark Adel and I've not used dark Yukki even just ONE time. She was never relevant.
Debuff removal was just never important. And the rest she provided was worse than what others would provide.

>>4452944
She has been tremendously effective against several bosses and SAs. I dont care what you play, it's just a fact. Skullfeather hard mode in particular was barely doable without buff removal until unison Bungo came around.

>today's Sharomare
You're a big Sharo...

>>4452910
Damn what a shame that yuri progress like this is hidden in recollections. Hella cute though.

Today they are going to do the stream where they roll all the stuff back and apologize. Let's hope they will actually listen to the playerbase and make changes according to that.
Either way it will reduce the damage. Let's get this out of the way so we can actually focus on what matters, the 3.5th anni.

>>4453033
Niinasami has been hinted at pretty consistently both in the main story's base sections and several bond/memory episodes. It's surprisingly persistent.
It's interesting to me, because in Niina's event I originally thought they wanted to subvert it by making Asami say Niina loves her as a joke and Niina being super calm about rejecting the idea. But eventually it turned out Niina is just a tsundere and Asami is bad at reading the mood.

>>4452924
God I truly hate this ship

>>4453283
Good for you, weirdo.

She shouts for her wife as her yandere girlfriend is about to gangbang her. Beautiful.

Yunyun will be the eternal Yaya, but it's great to see the occasional acknowledgement from Sharo. She is clearly attached to Yunyun in her own way. This is why people actually support the ship, despite its overwhelming disadvantage.

>>4453247
They, uhh, didn't roll anything back, these changes from the recent tweets are all that we're getting. The people concerned why their favorite field, mind eye or fragile characters are 3x times worse now are supposed to go fuck themselves or something.

>>4453294
>they dont roll anything back
>except the things they already confirmed to roll back/change
Genius. Also, like the low attention span zoomer you are, you missed the part where they said they would hear out the community to adjust everything. They are going to take feedback into consideration, so they can't actually have announced all the changes yet.
You really aren't very smart, huh?

>>4453296
Stfu, I will never take your blind fanboy religious posts seriously ever again after this debacle, they can literally shit on your face and you wouldl screech at the other anons for complaining instead.

>>4453297
>no arguments, just screeching
Alright then. Sheesh, you would think you would at least try harder with your bait. Wait until the stream is over before schizo ranting, alright?

>>4453298
The stream ended 20 minutes ago, what you talking about, retard.

>>4453300
Oh is it already over? Time to rewatch it then. I just had it on in the background.
Anyway, I'm sure you will ignore any sensible arguments and that they said they would adjust things based on feedback, so nothing more to say.

>>4453301
I listened very carefully to every word they said, and this was just a PR attempt to calm people down before the 3.5 stream without saying or doing anything that would actually calm people down. "We're uhh listening and shit" are just empty words every Japanese company says when they fuck up, after it ended, I didn't feel like there would've been any difference for me if I just skipped the thing.

>>4453302
Actually, no, there was one thing. Based on what they said, we're not getting the next chapter announcement for 3.5, but we're most likely getting an announcement of announcements for it, or some kind of an update. That was the only valuable thing I heard.

>>4453302
Okay, so you are just assuming they won't do anything, despite already announced changes before this stream. If that doesn't show they are going to implement adjustments I don't know. Obviously these corporate streams suck and don't go into details. It's always the same shit Japs. But they show willingness to listen, even if it is only to put out the fire. Unlike the dumbasses who ran the Nikki thing who just didn't respond for weeks and then said they are sorry the audience feels that way and didn't address a single complaint.

I'm firmly on the side of the people who don't give a shit about the nerfs, because they don't affect a single thing for me. I get that numberfags who paid money to get broken shit are not happy, but it doesn't actually matter much for the actual game. It's just a matter of feeling tricked, which is unofortunate, because these nerfs were clearly made for the longevity of the game as it was completely busted by now (and still is).

I will wait for the stuff they will show off at the anni stream before I judge anything else. They probably understand that announcing a story chapter or some good new content is the only way to win back goodwill outside of the adjustments they will make to the gameplay based on feedback.

What confuses me about the point about why the main story takes so long is that they said they want to keep doing it only with the core team of devs to uphold quality and that adding more staff to it would cause more issues that would delay it further.
But that is usually not how game development works. You should have more people working on minor stuff to free up time for the main devs to take care of the rest. Holding up quality is important, but in the end it's a game and a lot of the minor details don't require the oversight of the core devs at all times.

My theory that they are spreading themselves thin across several games still seems the likeliest. They just don't have the manpower they should.

>>4453315
>But that is usually not how game development works
Maybe they're firm believers of the "too many chefs in the kitchen" effect.

>>4453320
That is certainly what they are saying. That coordination with outsiders would actually cause more delays as they have to communicate too many details and keep adjusting their work to the general vision. But I feel like that is very inefficient...

>>4453315
That much is obvious, WFS plan to release 5 games (3 live service 3rd-party IP + 2 console RPG 1st-party IP) in the next 2 years, so the staff is spread thin.

>>4453344
It's a shame. HBR is more or less their big image thing, so they should devote more to that. Though they probably were which is why so many ressources flowed into it. Only now that they are expanding so much based on its success did they kinda overextend.

>>4453347
I'm not sure. To me it really felt like they were ambitious and happy that the game had success, and then for whatever reason started to milk it. Main Story updates slowed down to a crawl, and barely advance the story to begin with. As of year 3 ish the events also started to do less and less that would have any lasting impact. No new "couples", no new development. Very little mattering content in general.

I can't tell you why. But this kind of milking doesn't work forever. Of course you earn less and less, because NOTHING HAPPENS. The chars are still the exact same, there's no reason to care more.. or care at all. I still remember how happy I was with the first Adel Mari event. And how indifferent I was with the second. This is the entire game in a nutshell. No commitment, no development and not even any stand alone major side stories that go further than random cancer of the month. Taking 3 or 4 events and making something episodic could help for example.

>>4453360
>As of year 3 ish the events also started to do less and less that would have any lasting impact. No new "couples", no new development. Very little mattering content in genera
This part is not true.
Actually all of this BS is the same... will you ever give it a rest with your lies? Your personal perception is totally skewed. You are conflating your personal issues with the actual writing.

No couples advancement? Maria's event greatly enhanced and expanded on that Irene/Maria relationship. Tenne's event had immense character growth for her and the Maruayama unit (as well as some YanaShiki boost). Chie's event further developed 30G and recontextualized their behaviour in the story right now. Even the Snap events gave some emotional growth to us that we didn't get to see before for Yukki. Yeah Yunyun's was more of a retread, but they were mostly meant to be comedic anyway
The 3rd anni event was one of Maeda's weird fancies also something we had since year 1 and I would argue a lot more interesting than the Mermaid event.
Swimsuit 5 is nothing special, but it actually did surprisingly well at fleshing out Koju and Higumin more while also giving us a better Aoi integration than swimsuit 1.

You are saying something about the quality going down since year 3, but there literally only have been 5 events yet. And at least 3 of those were good, with the other two being okay.

I despise your "noThinG haPPens" bullshit and I wish you would get punched every single time you repeat that garbage. Characters are literally getting development in every event. The status quo between them has already changed and keeps doing so. Your idiotic position that only the main story plot development constitutes to "real development" makes no fucking sense. The main story develpes 31A and some side-squad occasionally. The plot is not necessary for character development of the other squads, it just accentuates it.

>>4453360
As for Swimsuit 3 and Amari, that is literally the only event where you could actually feel them being unable to advance the character relationships, so that is a very unrepresentative example. It feels like Kai was actively forced not to go over any lines there, so it was more of a feel good event for 31C's unity.

Main talking points
>Reasons behind the nerf
We found that players have spent less time with the game and have gotten less enthusiastic since 10 months ago (aka stopped swiping as much). We see that once everyone got the basic party setup with all the buffs and debuffs, they stop caring about new styles. So the main reason behind those gameplay changes was to raise the enthusiasm. Also we have considered bloating the enemy hp and dp stats instead, but that would cause many issues in the future with balancing (whatever that means)
>translation
Once everyone got the OP buffers, debuffers, and attackers, there was no reason in rolling for meta. So now only super popular characters and super busted styles pull in the money, but current styles have gotten so strong we can't keep powercreeping them
>reality
And how would nerfing all the styles solve this problem? Are they just going to release new styles with larger value buffs and debuffs? What's worse is that this was a problem of their own creation, but I do think it was unavoidable. We have gotten to the point of diminishing meta value ever since Suit Tama
>the real solution
If what they want is more engagement, the only solution is to put more effort into the gameplay content. Again, why can't we get a challenge mode for the main story? Release them in parts and have preset teams players are supposed to use. If what they want is more meta spenders, then just make a new and fun mode that requires new styles. I don't even care if it's some sort of PVP. Meta spenders will have a reason to roll and players who didn't care about the meta would've never rolled in the first place. The sad part is that they already tried with both Arts Battle and Wave and failed both times. I think it's finally time to retire Shimoda and find someone with actual talent or common sense

>>4453409
>Regarding the main story
It's the same excuse of "we have a lot of moving parts that take time and we want to deliver the best experience possible. -No we can't hire more people because blah blah blah too many chefs, creative differences"
>translation
The game is past its honeymoon $$ period so we're diverting a lot of our resources into developing new games. And even though we said we're putting a lot of effort into the main story, we haven't put out anything more impressive than chapter 4.2
>reality
It can't be helped, that's just the nature of modern live service games. Maybe if they start making money with their new tba title, things might get better? Or worse who knows. They did say there would be a ***small*** main story announcement during 3.5 anni. Uuhh I really hope ***small*** doesn't mean an announcement of an announcement like chapter 5.3 part 1 coming sometime in 3 months...

>>4453409
>Are they just going to release new styles with larger value buffs and debuffs?
It seems that they're going for the give her everything route so far. I mean, just look at the latest aoi, and compare her to the other debuffers of the same type, like megumi or isuzu. Her ult is the attack plus big field, but it also
>double stacks elemental def down on one use
>double stacks normal def down on one use
>provides elemental attack up
>has the field upgrade passive other characters have on lb3 or as their skill slot for free
>has the debuff upgrade passive other characters have on lb3 for free
To get all of that she needs to simply morale stack, which is an another great effect she got in her kit. I don't know what's the point of nerfing stuff if you're going to continue adding this kind of crap, it will reach stupid level again real fast.

I think that realistically, only a well produced anime could save the game because I doubt it can survive for 4 more years.

They literally said
>players have asked us to stop making so many 3D maps and movies if they are so time consuming, but they actually take way less time than you think. We spend more time on the concept art, creative directors, etc working together to build up the world and create a peak experience
Then why haven't we gotten a 3D map since the end of dominion and 5.2? They've even started doing SNAP events. Would it not bring more hype and enthusiasm if they did a dominion-like mode for Asamin? The whole stream was just them lying through their teeth

>>4453423
The funny thing is that Iroha 2 and pirate aina still competes with her. Iroha 2 has her insane 0SP universal +5 SP and Aina has her insane OD generation. This Aoi might only be worth it to transfer her morale skill to Admiral Aoi, even in dark teams

>>4453409
>we have considered bloating the enemy hp and dp stats instead
They did do that. It's especially noticeable with story bosses that all got double dp and hp.

>>4453680
They already said they would revert that.
Although I think they should keep it for all the bosses up to 4.2. They are too easy.

>>4453682
Better yet, make it a toggle.

>>4453693
That's what we have been asking for for years. Story mode difficulties.

Well, this surely is something

>>4453971
Forgot the picture

>>4453972
Dango 2, Electric Bungoloo?

>>4453973
Possibly. However, I just saw people pointing out that the tweet says
>プロモーション展開施策の描き下ろしシルエットを1名だけ特別解禁!
So maybe it's not even a style and just some brand collab thing?

>>4453974
I would prefer that over another Dango style lol
Must be a collab with a sweets shop then.

https://x.com/heavenburnsred/status/1950768607518171216/
Seems they got all of 31A's VAs again + SiL. That's something at least.

>>4453976
I wonder if they're going to do the awkward thing of making the VAs apologize for the devs mistakes

>>4454093
No way. Anyone who make Tomori apologize is basically dead meat. Her fans are actually mental.

Oh, it's swimsuits again, the festival Yukata dream is smashed for 2 years in a row.
I have pretty much nothing to go on to guess the character from this feet pic. The color they used is the exact Megumi's character color, so maybe it's her event S? That would be too on the nose though.

>>4454366
I don't know why it fails to attach my pics, it happened for 2 days in a row.

>>4454367
Judging by the nails it's Tsukasa.

>>4454368
I would be really surprised to see Tsukasa getting her 3rd swimsuit.

>>4454367
Pinkish nails kinda reminds me of Kura actually. But this style doesnt really give her vibes.

>>4454093
Most retarded post of the year

>>4454376
To be honest, I think that's +/- how gomi draws nails in general, when they aren't painted in some bright color and it isn't a loli-like or tomboyish type. So, personally, I just gave up on trying to guess something, it's... just feet and hands. Whoever it is, so will be it.

>>4454366
>festival Yukata dream
Yottsun got one of those a few months back.

>>4454366
yukatas are overrated ugly trash anyway

Well, this one gives a pretty big clue to speculate. Yuki or Kura would my first guess, but there are obviously more candidates.

>>4454681
That pose is annoying... But yeah they really narrowed that one down to like 5 characters.

>>4454699
At least we know that's not unison, just some waifu trash

>>4454711
If they seriously gave Kura a stupid swimsuit skind after leaving her out to dry for 2.5 years it would be kind of annoying. I expected at least a unison or a special style, like Admiral or Rider or whatever... But I guess they just baited everyone with limited Aoi, so they aint doing another limited one like unison.

>>4454715
A reminder. Only two people working on this game like yuri. Maeda and Kai. Kakinuma wanted it to be another het harem slop.

>>4454711
Did they really have to do FOUR swimsuit waifubait gachas in a row? What happened to the third anniversary suits? Are the devs just ignoring what the core playerbase wants now?

>>4454718
Patently false in every way. Amazing how you are just making shit up with such confidence.
Also this has literally nothing to do with what I said weirdo.

>>4454719
>white suits
They already spammed 5 of those in 6 months. I think we can afford some cooldown on that.
Also why do you assume the fanbase doesnt want simswuits? It's an evergreen theme.

>>4454711
It's an event banner, of course it wouldn't be a unison.

>>4454719
swimsuit are just a common theme around this time

>>4454681
Call me crazy, but that swimsuit is clearly 31E's color scheme (green/white) and the bust sizes matches Ichiko.
We just got Muua/Niina swimsuit too... so against all odds, could this be a 31E event?

>>4454758
I saw someone saying yesterday that this >>4454367 could be Minori and this is why it got focus on her taking care of her feet.

>>4454681
It's Tenne using the potion again

>>4454772
Are you saying she perfected the potion?!

>>4454766
>taking care of her feet
I think she is just applying sun lotion to her legs tho. And it's there because foot fetishists are pretty common these days.

>>4454711
They already said that the next SSR will be at the end of the month, so there was no chance of unison.

>>4454681
So is she jumping to catch a volleyball or something? That is clearly a falling frame. It really has to be Ichiko though, everything about this looks like her. We know WFS doesn't care if a character just got a style 2 months ago, they will absolutely release another one if a big event comes up.

The real question is, will this be another situation like last year where we get one normal event and an interlude in the same month. Last year we got Amari + Megumin. I imagine if the next story chapter is supposed to come out around december again, they would have Maeda release the interlude right around this time.

>>4454880
I'm pretty sure Kozue is Amari event of this year, they just spaced them properly this time.

>>4454883
But the Interlude will clearly be about Karerin and 31A, so this event banner cannot be related. So like I said, they could release a 31E event + Interlude in the anniversary month, like last year.
I'm not saying the 31E event has to be another swimsuit event, if that is what you were getting at.

>>4454884
Swimsuit 4 wasn't an interlude, it was a normal event.

>>4454886
Story tie-ins and interludes are basically the same thing... They should absolutely be required and to this day it pisses me off that they aren't.

Sprite updates from datamines once again prove to foretell events. But yup they really just skipped Kura and Monaka unison for swimsuits part 4...

>>4454758
I believe it.

>>4455107
Anon you dont know what the SSR at the end of the month will be.

>>4455107
They wouldn't release unison as an event banner, I don't know why would you expect it in the first place.

>>4454367
>>4454681
Neither of these should be Monaka still, right? Her skin is a tad darker than that.

>>4455156
It's definitely not Monanyan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjr6doM5doo
It's starting soon.

>>4455249
I always thought it's weird that the VAs are wearing Yukatas for these events.

Megumin hanging with Shikanoko

I expect so much ship art based on these outfits, holy shit.
Also a karaoke bar collab? That makes a ton of sense with all the music in the game!

>>4455257
>Mari wearing pants and Adel in a skirt
I love this role reversal.

Well now we know what that dango head was about...

>>4455249
The heck is this??

>>4455260
Cosplay

Holy shit it was Kura after all. The colors on the swimsuit were a misdirect.

And it is actually another swimsuit event.... They are really going to do Monaka's backstory with her dear friend in this kind of setting?

>>4455265
Miya is getting the SS style in the event centered on KuraMona lmao

I sleep

Not gonna complain about KuraMona and YuiMiya shipping content, but I wish we could get away from swimsuit events for this stuff.

>>4455264
>>4455266
Monaka only getting an S style could mean the unison is still coming.

The next raid boss is already going to be Kaleidoboros. Crazy!

They are giving out free buffs again. SS1 Yukki, Ss1 Megumin and Nanamin really needed those.

>>4455276
I'm shocked they are buffing light Yottsun though.

They are also buffing Master Skills now. Not bad.

New Master Skills, new items to farm, new battle reports, new balance changes. If they had introduced all of this first the other changes might not have gone over so badly.

...we are getting a Karerin/Karen-chan unison before we are getting KareTsuka.

Japan sure loves its baseball.
That is kind of a high profile collab tho.

>>4455281
Lol. Another half - year of vacation

The main story teaser... they revealed the name of the chapter and that it will come out 2025. At least its not delayed to next year.

The gift code is TAKOYAKI. Don't forget to get your free shit.

>>4455285
You never know if they're going to do the same BS as last year and release part 1 then but delay part 2 till anniversary

>>4455288
Well I didnt even mind it that much last time. People said the split was awkward, but it felt kinda sensible. Part 1 and 2 really were very different.
Still it would be better for them if they didnt do it again.

Megutama?

>>4455290
Don't tell me we are already getting the pay-off for the Higher Self event thing... dont kill off Megumin...

Oh hell yeah! They are performing Melancholic Blue out of the gate.

Getting essentially one story update a year makes me nauseous. They're already running out of ideas to stall between updates and we're fast approaching the initial 5 year mark they had planned out. 2 full updates per year would be a totally reasonable pace, but god is the wait unbearable when there's only 1

>>4455298
February + December is 2 a year anon...

5.3 title is
>The new contract/pact with the Maiden of Memories/Remembrance/Recollection(?)

>>4455300
Maiden of Recollection... I have no clue what that could be about. And what contract...?
Are we finally gonna learn who the goddamn cat is?

>>4455301
Well, the most obvious would be Ruka, finally making sense of this whole garden of memories thing, and the 2nd most obvious would be Megumi because of the spiritual world thing. It's still chapter 5, and not 6 or 7, they have to connect somewhere.

>>4455302
Didnt Maeda state in an interview that the Garden of Memories has nothing to do with the story? The cat on the other hand is definitely canon.
I'm just thinking of contracts like in Madoka terms. What if the cat is the one that allows Ruka to go back in time to her memories?

Then again according to Yuina Ruka was meant to die in 5.1. So everything is kind of in limbo on whether we are currently on the fated timeline or not.

>>4455303
He said that gameplay terms like reincarnation were invented by wfs and don't tease anything, we don't know if the place is canon or not.

>>4455304
Really? I distinctly remember it being mentioned that the Garden of Memories in paritcular isnt canon. Of course the events in it probably are. And with 5.2's Kura appearance + the memory episodes of Aoi and Kura it feels more and more likely that it somehow connects to an afterlife or something.
It just seems that the thing itself isnt relevant...

Still, if there is a maiden of memories you would definitely think it's Ruka. And we serious need to get some resolution on the whole future memories thing.

>>4455305
I specifically remember the question being about terms they used. The interviewer was like "oh this game is filled with these mysterious terms, surely it's filled with symbolism and implications", and Maeda answered "No, it's just wfs thing, I let them name it all, it doesn't mean anything".

The new SiL album is finally coming out. I've been waiting for this!

>>4455307
Oh right, he said the term "Garden of Memories" doesnt mean anything, which I equated to the location not being real either.

It's so funny that thanks to XAI and Konomi's tours there is so much KareRuka art lol

>>4455308
I was looking through the song list, I don’t remember seeing songs number 13 and 14 before. And judging by the title of 14 it might be SiL version of Oort no Kumo…

>>4455311
One of them is probably for the new 30G swimsuit event. Definitely can see a Oort Cloud cover happening too though. That song might become relevant, considering it was only used in the credits.

>>4455281
does this even count as a unison? Every Karen alt could be considered a unison. Or Tsukasa for that matter

>>4455313
As you can see from the art, Karen-chan seems to be Karerin's virtual summoning, allowing them to exist at the same time and fight together. Kinda like a cyberspace Stand.
The idea is cute and I see the point, but I still would have infinitely prefered yuri.

>>4455315
At least it's almost guaranteed to still happen one day with Tsukasa. There are a lot of pairs where something like this happening would mean they're never getting a unison.

>>4455316
It just kinda feels like they missed their chance, you know? 5.2 was the karetsuka chapter. They had the chance to give them something relevant, but instead they chose to give them each a solo style back then. Now I get why karerin/karen-chan getting a last hurrah like this is really emotionally powerful too, but still.

Maybe when we finally get a KareTsuka kiss we will get a unison. I'm a dreamer.

>>4455318
Maybe in another 5 years (after the EOS)

>>4455320
How do you get a unison style after the EOS?

Oh, there was no voice acting skit this time.

I noticed Arch of Light Alternative on here. That's the song from the Mermaid event. I dont remember a remix of that.

Megumi and Ichiko master skills suddenly went from "Eh" to "Ehhhhh???"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY5m6Pkjwr4
A New Contract With the Maiden of Memories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVnEgfweqw
Karen unison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-NJfXB10o
"Honey Baby I Love" you event trailer.
That title really... Give us some yuri.

>>4455325
From what I could glimpse didn't they just lower Megumin's master skill to being 0SP cost? Did they change anything else?

>>4455330
Megumi skills is 2 uses, 0 SP cost, can give 3 SP to anyone now, and it becomes 6 SP if target is from 31A. Just great utility all around to support or use on self-cast, as she's very SP greedy.
Ichiko is -1 SP on 31E skills, which is great because you actually use her with 31E. It's not like Maruyama who got the same thing, but you don't really play u140, 31E heavy comps are completely viable.

>>4455331
Oh that is actually pretty damn nice. I always hated Megumin's 31A limitation.
And Ichiko's light style is really SP heavy, so lowering SP costs is good for her.

We got one anniversary ticket where you could select any style you want.
So finally... after almost a year... I got SS3 Isuzu. I could cry.

Looks like you can now use golden SS tokens on Resonance style as long as the gacha of that new style is up. Kinda weird, but better than before.

>>4455324
Damn, Karen-chan is cute

>>4455329
>"Honey Baby I Love" you event trailer.
Nobody is going to mention how the 28F girl seems to be an unit?

>>4455260

That's a stage play

>>4455357
Oh yeah, Japan loves its stage plays for some reason. I have seen at least 10 different yuri manga adaptations as plays before.

>>4455353
I'm gonna play the even now and find out.

>>4455343
They said that would be the case for every resonance but Aoi until the end of this year. Then they will decide what they want to do with it again.

It's an actual octopus lol

>>4455362
Though, I have a question about it. If people didn't complain, and the original changes went as is, was it really the plan to have 4 resonance units in a row with almost non-existent SSR pieces?

>>4455364
All the older styles that got retroactively turned into Resonance styles were excluded from the new rule in the first place. I think they meant limited styles would work like that, not all Resonance styles.

>>4455365
No, all the new styles were supposed to be like Aoi, making these new ones being able to use normal pieces was part of their apology about the changes.

>>4455366
>the new resonance styles

>>4455363
We're killing animals now? Whatever happened to the Cancer?

>>4455366
Not really. The Resonance styles they were talking about would be those that are time limited, same as unisons (hence why unisons are resonance styles). But the white suit styles for example are in the main pool. I assume the same goes for the new Kura.

>>4455369
Well the new event is clearly not taking place in the main reality... one way or another. There is also an octopus hunting minigame.

>>4455372
It's not "not really". The initial announcement literally said that all the converted ones would work like normal SS, and all new resonance will be using SSR pieces only. And then, when they made that apology tweet, they said they're delaying that until 2026. I'm not arguing with you right now, I'm telling you what I literally read in their announcement post.

>>4455370
I need to get Monanyan's S style so I can see if they have matching parts.

>>4455363
Seems its gimmick is that it gets stronger the more destruction rate you give it. Hurts like a bitch.

The new event has a trigger warning for tsunamis. I didnt realize Japs were that roughed up by natural disasters. This is the same game with a bunch of suicide themes and implied rape rings mind you.

>>4455381
They just had a big Tsunami a few days ago(maybe it's still going?), so they probably added so it doesn't feel insensitive.

>>4455383
I see. That's rough. Reminds me of that anime that had an earthquake in it and a few days later a super heavy eartquake struck.

2 minutes in and Miya fucking dies from erotic Yuina overload.

>>4455386
Or Pokemon who was supposed to introduce the major antagonists for the BW series in an episode with an earthquake, but an earthquake hit Japan just before and their solution was just to drop Team Plasma entirely

>>4455393
That is always the dumbest solution. The art will keep existing long after the earthquake is forgotten, but erasing important plot points from it will forever cripple it.
It's like how some TV shows had pandemic or virus plots around the time of Covid and they just either completely changed the plot last minute or cut out all references to the virus/illness, which made the shows considerably worse and incoherent. It will never actually be the right thing to do.

>>4455300
>>4455329
By the way, it could be "and" and not with, like how the chapters were called before. So the "new contract" would be the Nanami/Tezuka thing, and the Maiden would be whatever the 2nd story line is about.

>>4455397
Right, the "と" can serve as an "and", but all translations seem to consider it a "with" in this context.
That being said, the prior chapters follow the "[insert thing] and [insert other thing]" theme, so you are probably right.

>>4455311 (me)
Okay I completely misread 13th song (it’s Isuzu’s event song). So that means Arch of Light Alternative and Fukuyoki to oorto no kumo (hope I got that right) are the two new songs for August and September. This got me hoping for a 5.2 interlude like how we got Shiniyuku for 4.2’s interlude

The new unison's concept isn't bad and I get where they come from, but getting this after Bungo really feels like unisons got downgraded from a guranteed super yuri thing to whatever the fuck.

>>4455453
People memed too much about every unison involving Ruka. Nah, but seriously, I guess it being completely yuri focused was a misunderstanding. It ultimately just seems about strong important bonds of two characters. Which in some cases is just yuri as fuck.
Not that I haven't seen Karerin/Karen-chan selfcest art before...

Miya-san is an explosive powder-keg filled to the brim with gay and she is always lit!

Karen-chan is just openly flirting with Mamiya too. Truly unstoppable.

I can't stop laughing at the fact that they made Miya's cut-in wider so you can see her pumping her fist lmao

>>4455282
I wonder if this means Ruka is getting this as her next SS, and her white suit is delayed until 4th anni or something like that.

>>4455493
Uh... rather doubtful. Collab art usually never gets turned into in-game styles. I think this is more about HBR stuff appearing in the baseball game.

>>4455496
I'm pretty sure they said it's a hbr side collab. They even called it hbr's baseball episode or something.

>>4455498
Again, this usually means the characters appear in that baseball game. I don't remember what it's called but it is pretty popular.

Tsukishirooooo did what???

>>4455506
No, like, they said it will come to hbr world. Isn't what he says at 2:15:30?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjr6doM5doo
Later he also mentions that they're developing it consulting with Konami, not that konami does it in their game.

>>4455516
Well, if true, it wouldnt be the first baseball minigame they bring into a Key game.

My heart was actually pounding wtf!!!
Yuina was just as calm as when she did it with Yukki in Summer Fairy though... only Ruka can make her freak out in the pocky game, huh? Kinda disappointed Miya was too focused on becoming the world's enemy to enjoy it.

>>4455521
Well, it's in 2 months, so we will know soon. We can just assume that I got it wrong for now, and if I didn't, then at least we won't be surprised.

>>4455282
>Ruka as the baseball player instead of Ichigo or Sumomo
What's next? We'll have Bungo play volleyball? Byakko playing tennis?

Yes, I get it, the 'face of the franchise'. Still

>>4455524
I guess you didn't play the first AB collab. Ruka is kind of a natural baseball genius.
That being said, we have no details, so maybe Ichigo and Sumomo will be part of the collab. Karen's VA also mentioned that Karen-chan loves baseball (an AB2 reference ironically).

>>4455524
I mean, baseball episode are not about who's the most baseball character, it's about main cast playing baseball. They probably still can be in the event, you need more than 6 players in your team to play, right?

That smug smirk looks way too good on Monanyan.

>>4455531
>smug about killing octopi
>there's an octopus behind her

>>4455453
The only negative that I dread about the Karerin/Karen-chan unison is if they just decide to let Karerin summon Karen-chan whenever she wants to in chapter 5.3. If it's just a fanservice thing for the unison style then it's 100% fine, but if she can do it in the main story and so soon... there's no way they'll undo everything in 5.2, right?

(also a small side note, it looks like the ouroboros stellar front is going to be weak to fire and ice and it goes live on the same day as the unison gacha. Does that mean unison Karen is just going to be a way stronger version of her welfare? lol)

>>4455538
Sounds unlikely. How and why would Karen-chan upload herself to the cloud, in-story?

>>4455538
I really dont think the story is going for that. That wouldn't be Karen-chan anyway, just some data construct, which is not really this game's style.
It also defies the entire point of Karerin getting strong on her own and saying goodbye.

This is just fanservice AU stuff, like all unisons. Wakki isn't going to become a demon lord with giantizing magic and Yukki isn't a knight commander under King Ruka.
If I had to guess, this is some cyberpunk AU where Karerin is a virtual dive gamer and Karen-chan is just her personal avatar.

>>4455538
All unisons so far were just AU setting stuff, I don't see why this one would be different. If anything, I feel like this kills any story implications because the chances of getting interlude about Karen are almost non-existent after this style release.

>>4455543
I dont see your reasoning at all. Is it because they cant release another Karen style alongisde the interlude in your mind? This is WFS. They have zero qualsm about spamming the same character's styles. But they also could just make a new Karen S style for it.

There is too much obvious set-up with that recorder Yukki gave Karen-chan in 5.2. They definitely will do a story tie-in. If not it would have to be directly integrated into 5.3, which is unlikely at best.

>>4455544
I mean, this is like the most perfect Karen style ever that they could've used for that story, and we already had another Karen this year. How many Karens can they release this year before 5.3 that's in 4 months max?

Does the # of resonance pieces you get from the updated pass double after the first month too? Rolling on this double resonance rate up made me realize just how terrible it'll be in 2026 if they don't change anything

>>4455541
>Wakki isn't going to become a demon lord with giantizing magic and Yukki isn't a knight commander under King Ruka.

>>4455546
>How many Karens can they release this year before 5.3 that's in 4 months max?
As many as a character that's essentially an entirely new 31A unit requires, so aplenty.

>>4455550
Right, you cant use Karen-chan styles in the story from now on, so they have to release some Karerins for variety, eh? Although she can use all of Karen-chan's skills anyway.

The Psychokicker trio actually returned from Domination mode to cheat in the volleyball game againast 30G and they were ruthlessly successful!
If Megumin didnt refuse to hurt Tama they might have scored. Pretty good MeguTama moment.

How gay the new event?

>>4455602
>event title is "honey baby, I love you, love me too"
>asking if it's gay
Do you think they're adding males or something?

>>4455602
Several gay moments were already posted.

For an event that's supposed to be focused on Tsukishiro and her relationship with Kura and Mamiya, more time was spent on the Maeda gags and Yuina Miya. There were traces of Tsukishiro, Kura, and Mamiya to justify it being their event, but I can't say it was a fulfilling amount for me at least.

But more than that, the justification behind the event and its ending opens up so many questions. I can't believe magic haunted swimsuits felt more acceptable than this. But then again we did just get time travel in the last event so maybe it's not that unbelievable....

You know the entire event I was noticing stuff that felt incongruent. Everyone was acting like at least post 4.2, they referenced Swimsuit 2 and Swimsuit 4. It is clearly a post chapter 3 event... yet everyone seemed to completely accept that Kura was there. It's interesting how they gave you the tools to figure out the anomaly yourself.

I think this is a pretty important event. Trying to forray into the dimension that Cancer draw their power from by connecting to the Cancer's hivemind directly seems pretty dangerous, but this research might actually be essential for victory. The fact that the Cancer just straight up died from it also seems like some kind of failsave? Or maybe it's just that the experiment overloaded it.

Higher dimensional beings are a real mystery at this point, but there have been long standing theories that Cancer are puppetted by such beings. They are just shells after all. The "beach resort" was just a way for Tsukishiro to cope with this incomprehensable higher dimension.

What I don't quite understand is if this Kura in that world is the real one from beyond the afterlife? The finale implies she is being swallowed by the "sanzu river" and she says it will be harder for her to move on when she has the lingering regret of coming with Tsukishiro.
Maybe Mamiya's claim that this is her afterlife where she can live her dream wasn't completely wrong? Maybe these two were actually the real Kura and Mamiya, now higher dimensional beings.

The idea is that Kura, as a higher dimensional being, was manipulating events and she even managed to affect the normal world as shown with the coffee beans raining down at the base, right? Her last apology for acting jealous and interfering with Monaka's reunion with Mamiya... they really are so clumsy at telling each other how they feel.

If nothing else this gave a bit of closure on Mamiya being actually dead and that Monaka's feelings for Kura were greater than for Mamiya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q41oEi6MLR0
Solar Route is a really good song. Wish it had more time to actually play and breathe in the event.

>>4455795
I think this will tie-in with the higher self thing later. This is pretty much how Megumi described the concept in her first memory story.

>>4455817
Right, Megumin's higher self was basically manipulating the events in Swimsuit 4 in a similar way. There seem to be harf limitations as to what they can directly interfere with, but they still can break physics as we 3D organisms know it.

>Maiden of Memories
Could be Yuina? Following Maeda's pattern, 5.3 should have a 30G subplot, so we could finally find out about her missing past?
>New contract
High chances that it's about Tezuka/Nanamin.

But speaking about chapter 5, did Maeda or WFS ever said anything about why it's 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 instead of 5, 6 and 7?
The division of chapter 4 made sense (and iirc they said that it was supposed to be a single chapter in their initial plans) but the 5.x chapters are relatively standalone, without cliffhangers and they focus on different characters, so I can't really see why use this weird nomenclature.

>>4455824
>Yuina
Let's not forget her "divine messages" which tell her what will happen in the near future. If someone sends info from the future to the past its based on their memories.
>why did it they split chapter 5
There are several theories, but I think we will only truly know the throughline when 5.3 drops.
In the most basic terms chapter 5 on the whole is about retaking Western Japan, basically the build up to the Mother Cancer.

>>4455795
It pretty much explains most of the concepts introduced in HBR until now.
It was already obvious the Espers takes their power from the same source as Cancers (which is why they have effects against them) but it also explains why Megumin could send Ruka to the spiritual world.
Furthermore, it also explains how Ruka slightly altered the actual world by interacting with her mom.
It also kinda explain why in Chapter 5.1 we needed to do all memory recollections for Ruka to survive.

>>4455842
Thing is, Megumin insisted several times in this even that this stuff goes way beyond her psychics. So it's definitely above even her insane plot powers.

>>4455858
I mean, at some point she was saying that she knows better than anyone that her powers are not strong enough to defeat a cancer, and then she just did. I would take her words on such topics with a grain of salt.

>Yuina and "divine messages"
Maybe the actual, non hito-narby Yuina Hirakawa was a minor deity or a holy person of sorts, and she's sending messages to the hito-narby Yuina from a heavenly realm. Considering all we've seen, it's not that implausible.

>>4455868
Then where does the Jeanne D'arc foreshadowing fit in?

They didnt wanna make swimsuits for Hisame and Suganyan, so they were suspiciously absent from the event lol

>>4456192
I think they just saved them for another event. Like they can do HisaIno swimsuit event like AMari one + Chie S.

>>4456197
I really don't want any more swimsuit events, we got enough of those. Summer events don't need to be so swimsuit focused.

>>4456272
Casual date Amari!

Can anyone summarize the buffs to older styles they are going to implement? I really don't want to go through the entire anniversary stream and decipher them.

>>4456412
It's already implemented. I could be missing some small passives, but the general gist is
Yuki: 50% DP instead of 30%. no recoil, +5 SP to vanguard when breaking.
Megumi: 10 SP cost instead of 14(5 SP with 31A tower condition), applies fragile after tower upgrade
Chie: slightly cheaper, gets 3 turn front line def up on tower and some condition to make it half cost.
Light Niina: Always 50% hp without condition, her condition instead makes it half cost, doesn't consume skill uses, also gets some passive
Light Yotsuha: Cheaper cost, normal 5 funnel instead of stupid 3 one, buff enhancing passive.
Bride Sharo: half assed crit buffs on ult are now 100% full buffs, normal skills is turn based modern buff instead of classic one use
Nanami; A lot of changes, they basically just made her kit less clunky. She's still kinda weird and I wouldn't want to play a kit like hers, but it's not a complete pain in the ass to play anymore.

>>4456421
They actually made Megumi usable... incredible.
I wish they had done that Yotsuha buff half a year ago. Now I had to kick her off my team to make space. That is such a good improvement for her though.
Bride Sharo seems actually useful now.
Nanami felt so bad to use that I don't even know how to salvage her. I guess it's nice for Nanami fans to actually get a use out of her now.

HBR quest pushed the update early. Unison Karen is fucking broken. Also the e-shield cheese character that people were expecting.

>>4457499
Speaking of Unison Karen, couldn't this be for her Interlude? What more optimal time to release a unison like that?

>>4457500
Update files don't have any new events, so doesn't look like it.

>>4457501
Sad.

>this event
I'd eat this AMari three meals a day

>>4457543
Oh did they already release the Amari swimsuit event? Yeah despite not reall advancing their relationship much th event had lots of cute couple moments. And Mari getting angry on behalf of Adel when Koju called her an evil spirit is one of my top 3 Amari moments in the game.

Yeah, it seems that the baseball thing will be an actual event with a minigame, cn leaker found these strings in the newest update.

lol

>unison Karen doesn't come with a bond story
I forgot, was that usually the case with unisons? I'm pretty sure bungo got one

>>4458027
By necessity they usually get one because they need the soul item from somewhere. But all the Ruka styles had theirs available at the cat shop, because Ruika cant have bond episodes of course.
Maybe they did the same with unison Karen.

>>4458027
I think every unison had one. Except Ruka, for obvious reasons.

Yo Chapter 5 is out on EN now. Things are about to get interesting. I wanna see how many EN players will get the bad ending.

>>4458128
Do you have to replay all of it if you get the bad ending?

>>4458222
No, you just have to fulfill the "condition" and then you can redo a small part of the chapter to get the Good Ending. That's all I'm going to say.

>>4458224
That'll do.

Honestly, the bad ending is pretty extensive and actually interesting, so I recommend everyone should get it.
That said, there is nothing more amazing than seeing someone get it naturally, live on stream. I saw it a couple of times and the sheer bafflement was exquisite. The bad ending really makes you believe it's the true ending until the very last moment.

Why did it have to explode..

Oof...

>>4458231
>live on stream
examples? unless its vtubers in which case never mind

>>4458686
No.

>>4459754
I love ho easy it is to tell that it's awakened Tsukasa. Though I doubt Karerin would have the courage to kiss that version.

So did the girls kiss yet aside from water resuce kiss ? or are we still stuck on het shit arcs ?

>>4460116
>water rescue kiss
Ah, an ESL.
>hetshit arcs
Or just a general mentally regressed troll? Probably the latter.

Inori's birthday means HisaIno art!

So the current Star Raid is just straight up Kaleidoborous. No gimmicks or changes, just the final boss of 5.2. I guess it would be bullshit to add even more gimmicks to this fight.
I think the only thing I saw it do that it wont do in story mode is lower its destruction rate. That's something the octopus in the current event battle does too.

>>4460455
I stand corrected, it also has a new AoE blast attack.

>>4460808
Regardless of how much it advanced their relationship the Amari swimsuit even was so good for ship fuel.

>5.1 day 3 dungeon is full of enemies that are weak to Crushing
>story accurate team calls for 31-B without Aoi
Very funny, HBR. Very funny.

>>4460983
It's like when they made several of the bosses in 4.2 have crush weakness when you didnt have Megumin.

God I love KareTsuka. They are always so cute in the background.

I didn't really read through all the nerfs and shit, but onsen Isuzu feels just as OP as always, so I guess they didn't nerf her super defense down? Sweet.

>31-B needs a squad leader
They couldn't decide this since the end of chapter 2?

>Byakko can't be squad leader
Is it because she's white? That's racist!

>>4461635
>They couldn't decide this since the end of chapter 2?
They do mention that 31B has been mostly in a state of reorganising and retraining since then. Ichigo has been acting as interim leader in that period of time.
>that's racist
Worse, it's because she is a tiger. That specist!

>ヘブバンの夏
Are we getting even MORE swimsuits?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SbktLVQFnM

>>4461800
I sure hope not. But 30G is two shy of the full set, so...

>>4461800
When's the U140 summer?

>Swimsuit Aina
Someone at WFS realy loves this girl. There is no other explanation for why she keeps getting preferential treatment in 31D lol
>demon minion Mari
So they are gonna complete the demon lord Yamawaki faction. I bet Wakki will get a mirror unison just like Yukki did with Ruka unison. That leaves Adel as the only unknown.

I think the art is fucking great this time. Not sexualized, but really enigmatic. I'm looking forward to Adel to see if there is some pair style thing going on.

Mari as a debuffer... well why not. She also got the broken extra turn feature that unison Yuina had, so that's something. The infinite ults from the Yamawaki demon lord faction on top of that? Insane.

It's kinda weird that swimsuit Aoi really was a limited style, I thought I just read it wrong. What was even their justification in making it limited, it's literally just a random swimsuit style.

I can't fathom why Aina got the swimsuit style, but alright. She is aquatic themed, so it's on brand. This style goes for cute appeal which I much prefer over the alternative.

It's a decent lightning debuff style. Nothing special.

>>4461996
To test out if they can get away with the resonance styles being limited. Jury's still out on that one, but it sure was an unpopular move.

CN leaker says Mari doesn't have a memory story like Karen. I don't like this trend.

>>4462064
I always felt like memostories were kind of a waste, because they are so hidden away and not many people bother with them, even though they sometimes have vital character development. I would prefer if they integrated those into the events or story.

>>4462064
>Her soul isn't even in the GP shop
Huh?

>>4462282
Do you have the unit? Shop souls usually only appear when you actually own the ss.

>>4462300
Really? I'm pretty sure you could buy Ruka's without owning her styles.

>>4462301
No, it was like that with Ruka as well, unless they changed it.

New thread~
>>4462353