A thread about all things Heaven Burns Red!
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Previous thread >>4423700

Time for another Heaven Burns Thread, where we will surely soon snap!

Snap events that is. A new addition to the game that gives small time narratives twice a month to substitute a full story event. We will see how often this will happen.
Yukki's gave use some cute RukaYukki moments and Yunyun's was just peak 31X madness.

Swimsuit 5 released right after and indirectly revived a hundred HiguKoju artists, despite not actually doing much for the ship (lol).

The 3.5th anniversary is upon us and with it will probably bring quite a few surprises. The changes to the OD system certainly surpprised many.

EN is on its neverending quest to rush to JP's side and we have already made it to the idol event. A great event full of references for players who kept up with everything in the game and also full of ship fuel for most major ships (why no HisaIno though?).
Right before this we got the Akari event which really cemented the triangle between MisaAkaFubu. Brutal.
5.1 will come out next month, so EN is about to get their world rocked.

https://x.com/ShenYan214/status/1944936314505134159
Cute YuiMiya

HiguYukki is still fun

>>4448008
...who? One of them looks like Yukki. Is the other one Higumin?

>>4448011
yes, the original tweet says it is higuyuki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAWTAwoRgwg
1 hour till it starts!

>>4448229
Mystery guest...

>>4448229
They are selling clocks now? Who even uses those anymore?

>>4448229
Thr new OD mechanic honestly doesnt seem that bad. It was always too OP. Kinda would have been better if it had been this way from the start though. Now people will just miss it being broken.

Big nerfs, but we'll see if they correctly adjust enemy hp to compensate. I think the category changes are good if they can adjust appropriately. Changes to parameter scaling are very good, I've always felt it was so stupid you got extremely minimal gains from clearing content and LB.

>>4448268
SS resonance is a good idea for real.

FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY'RE FINALLY REMOVING THE SS1s FROM THE GACHA POOL. WHY DID I EVER EVEN SPEND CRYSTALS BEFORE THIS POINT

>>4448270
I mean with the SS1 speciifc ticket gacha, the free SS tickets from Domination mode etc. it's pretty much unnecessary to have them in the pool.
Too bad about the SS1 Monaka I rolled yesterday....

>SS resonance
Only specific styles can use the resonance skills and only specific styles can give their team resonance skills. Only two of the resonance skills are usable anyway
=Pull the gacha
>Field, mind eye, and fragile nerfed HARD
Ok, who asked for this? Same shit with OD changes.
>In exchange your stats matter a lot more
=YOU BETTER PULL THE GACHA AND GET THOSE LIMIT BREAKS

This guy is full of shit. Jesus Christ just say what you really want to, fucking rat

>>4448274
You do know that this is how the game was intended to work? Better stats should always have mattered. Also retard, what the fuck do you think you had to do to get all those OP buffers and debuffers? Was it.... rolling the gacha? Oh no!

Lol they actually brought Aoi on to ease the outrage

>>4448276
Feels more like the OD thing was the only thing people were miffed about, but we knew about that since last week.

>>4448275
Resonance having a new universal shard plus it even existing and the intent to release more limited styles is definitely a cashgrab, but it's probably meant to try and make up the loss of revenue from people no longer getting bombed by SS1s.

Honestly I don't think resonance is a good idea for now, since it was effectively given to styles that didn't really need those extra abilities in the first place. I expected something better, like each style having a more unique ability when equipped to any other style.

>>4448275
Go actually kill yourself fucking shill
>Buff and debuff skills from pulling the gacha
Sure, but you could theoretically use the same buffers and debuffers you got from year 1 and still get the same effect. Several of them like Muua's mind's eye is even transferrable. Not to mention all the debuffers who use defense downs and fragile from their S styles. This blanket nerf of them is literally in service of
>You need higher stats
Which you only get from limit breaks after maxing out everything else. So if you don't have enough gold pieces which are still extremely limited for how much you need to LB 3 / 4, you gotta spend $$$

>>4448279
More limited styles is definitely a cashgrab, but the idea that the main mechanic of the game, limit breaks is somehow suddenly greed because they give it more benefits is stupid. Especially because before this it was instead all dependent on how good your rolls are and you getting the busted unbalanced styles.
LBs can be achieved with SS shards and the upgrade station. Stats can be increased via rebirths and soul item upgrades. The game is very fair about giving you options.

>>4448281
You dont understand the game.

>>4448284
Nice defense, retard

>>4448285
>>4448283

Of course the first special SS is Aoi.

>It's Aoi again
Sigh. Horse gacha it is

>>4448283
I'm not the other guy arguing limit breaks are suddenly more greedy. Making an entire new universal shard for resonance is undeniably more greedy though.

>>4448283
You have no idea how much of a damage loss it is to get rid of 3 unique multipliers. You might as well take your max damage now and divide it by 4 or 5.

They're saying that you have to compensate for all that damage loss with stats alone, which is just insane. Stats as they are now are just a way to see if you are going to get the max effectiveness of your skills. We'll see how them raising the ceiling will change things but stats have always just been a linear one to one effect on your damage output with a hard cap. I'll be shocked to see how they would literally cover up for the multiplier on the damage you are losing.

>Ways of increasing stats yada yada
No fucking shit we've always had access to them. But again once you've gone through all of them, which 100% of end game players have already done, your only way is through limit breaks. And where can you get those limits breaks? Through the measly free gibs they hand out or you can get monthly or... Gacha. Gacha. Gacha. Oh you can trade silver and bronze medals for points where you can use to exchange for- nigga you still have to roll the gacha first for those points.

I can't believe anyone is defending the emphasis on getting more limit breaks for news aka rolling the gacha.

Oh and don't get me started on SS resonance shards.

>>4448274
>Ok, who asked for this?
It's honestly crazy, I think a lot of people don't understand how massive this change is yet. For example, buffed old small field characters like dark Iroha, ice Mari, rice field Kura... Their fields aren't the precious fields anymore. It's just a small attack buff in your giga attack buff stack. Very popular fragile+def down debuffers like Miya of Fubuki? It's just 2 def downs now, their value drops massively.

The frustrating thing is that they are fully capable of creating interesting problems with interesting solutions, but all we've seen so far is the removal of those solutions in favor of just raising your power level.

Like what happened to style element resistances? Enemies have been doing elemental damage since the start of the game and the only thing that it matters for is the field. They even got rid of the elemental resistance stat for styles.

Instead of creating fun battle scenarios they're just raising the enemy stats in score attack and calling it a new mode.

It's hilarious how they say these changes are in service of the main story when it takes them nearly a damn year to update it. Again there's so many different avenues they could've gone down. Like where is the difficulty selector option? Or how about creating a challenge mode for the story where you are forced to use lore accurate teams designed by the devs? They already have combat puzzles in the arena so why can't they apply it to the main story?

>>4448298
It's about a 4x damage cut after the increases. The nerf to funnel hurts really hard, but if you're only using 5x small, it's about a 2.5x cut. Stats are linear, but that's the intent, because a consolidated linear scaling is better balance than multiplicative.

If you look at the chart, they stated it's a 2.5x increase if you're at the border. The second increase is at the limit for houju buffs. However, as far as I can tell the chart is simplistic to the point of garbage, because they meet up at the houju border? Which means at that point the stat effects are the same, the scaling past that, around 550 would need to scale pretty good amount. If you assume the chart is drawn to scale, you would need like 900+ stats to make up a 2.5x.

>releasing a three turn debuffer after OD nerfs instead of buffing older styles
They're being really subtle there

>>4448298
Your entire point falls apart because those debuffs didnt disappear. Everything you say pretends they were just erased from the game. Try again.

I also dont get the claim that it benefits the story somehow. It would be much better if they gave you premade story accurate teams with the option to use your broken bullshit team for lazy/bad players.
It takes a lot more effort to balance, but what else are they doing those 10 months?

On the bright side, now that we have Aoi out of the way. We can enjoy 3.5th anni with fireworks theme and hopefully get a lot of yuri content

>>4448341
I wish they at least tried to give Aoi and Ichigo pair swimsuits.... Oh well.
I'm definitely curious who their big 3.5th styles will be.

Nice, my Sumomo can no longer T1 Event/Orb1 with only Suit Tama because of the funnel changes. What did the stat damage changes even do? Her Attack/Dex is already 630/520, and yet even when accounting for the funnel changes I can't even notice any difference in damage.

>we want to simulate the two party gameplay so you can equip support styles now
>support style stats are affected by LB as well
This is legitimately retarded. Just say you want us to spend more money instead of making up toddler like excuses. Did you forget that we already have a two party system? Right instead of designing more interesting fights like Skullfeather let's just implement an effortless cash grab.
Seriously why is WFS so desperate for money right now to the point where they are willing to damage their good will with the playerbase? It's almost 3.5 anni for fucks sake. Just release a new Aoi, Yuina, and Tama and you'll get paid.

>>4448455
I can't hear your whining against basic game mechanics over the cuteness of RukaYukki unisons resonating with each other.

>>4448455
well... they did release an aoi.
they used that poor girl like a shield lol.

>>4448455
>why is WFS so desperate for money right now
They need the $ for another game, or a HBR sequel, or a spinoff, or an anime

>>4448455
>why is WFS so desperate for money right now
They need the $ for another game, or a HBR sequel, or a spinoff, or an anime adaptation

100 free pulls and all I have to show for it is a Wakki SS2 plus Karen SS2 from the ticket. I swear to god the rates have to be set by some sort of account seed because I feel like I can't recall a single banner was ever above the expected rate of 3%.

>>4448544
How many worst possible rolls (1S) did you have?

>>4448559
There's no pull history so who knows. I got tilted after no SS in 5 and just skipped->pull->skipped if it wasn't rainbow. If I try to recall, I think it was probably like 3 1S, 4 2S, 2 3S, 1 1S1SS, but that's hardly reliable.

Also am I misremembering or did they take out the quartz from the half-anniversary SA this time around? I could swear there use to be 600 quartz there. It got replaced with more SS tickets, but tickets didn't get the same change to exclude SS1 so they're just far worse now too. And that's assuming people can even get 2.2m on this score attack after the changes.

>>4448563
>skipped->pull->skipped if it wasn't rainbow
That's probably not a good idea. I skipped an A turning into a SS twice in the past few days doing that.

>>4448564
I'm pretty sure it still plays the voice line+animation so it's very noticeable since I'm not spamming the skip button, just tapping twice to skip to orbs then result. Even if it does skip entirely for ones than turn to rainbow, it's an easy check to see if there's actually any lb pieces in inventory or if your number of gold shards went up.

Aoi saying it's good she has her hyperthymesia in the home screen line is too funny.

>>4448622
Imagine being able to perfectly recall every time you had lesbian sex. Truly a blessing.

>>4448544
Plenty of people get way better results. It's random chance anon, you can't pretend it owes you anything.

The existence of SS resonance styles is actually insidious. They better at least upgrade the big monthly pass to include 1 resonance shard otherwise this is going to get ridiculous, especially with the increased focus on stats.

Hm, so the Unison are Resonance styles, which means now you have a way to obtain them outside of reruns. And all the White Suit styles are also resonance styles now... but they aren't taken out of the main pool, right? So normal styles can also be resonance.

I don't see anything "insidious" about this. Another nothingburger.

>>4448298
>No fucking shit we've always had access to them. But again once you've gone through all of them, which 100% of end game players have already done, your only way is through limit breaks.
Think about what you wrote here. You are basically saying the equivalent "but if I LB4 all my units, how do I raise stats?"
There will always be limits to growth. You are being angry that one avenue of stat grows requires you to pull the gacha in the game... Your entire complaint it completely removed from reality.
Most people who have been playing this game fro 3+ years also have a large amount of styles at LB2+. So how is this any different from having maxed out soul items or done 20 rebirths on a character because this isn't a new game?

>>4448654
>you can't use your SS pieces or the gauge on the new Aoi
>I don't see anything "insidious" about this
There should be a point where one puts their blind fanboyism aside and looks at the situation as it actually is. Even you can do it, I believe in you.

I'm getting mixed feelings about the last decision to nerf the damage calculation and create a new gacha rarity.

I know the game has a problem lately because it is too samey. After all, the meta build is too strong. Especially since Sumomo can pretty much demolish anything.

Seems their decision to nerf this so suddenly might have come from their top board/stakeholder. Otherwise, there's no way to avoid the flame from players, more so the OD controversies still not even being implemented.

Also, they think the 3.5 Anniversary will be the buffer to soften the damage from the backlash.

They should just revamp all the battle content altogether instead of putting a band-aid just to fix this temporarily. I don't even think this will be fixing the core problem on game balance in the first place...

Either way, I hope there will be good stuff at the 3.5 Anniversary Livestream, need some content update soonish.

>>4448658
Nobody cares about this shitty fanservice Aoi. I'm saying that limited styles like the unisons now have an avenue to be obtained outside of hoping there will ever be a rerun and that styles that are not limited like that also get resonance.

>>4448661
>Nobody cares about this shitty fanservice Aoi.
But it wouldn't be only Aoi. They already showed that characters like Misato or Yanagi can also be resonance in the future. Do you honestly can't understand or what? Any random unit they release can just be non-upgradeable by the normal LB resources and you will be forced roll only for them because they said so. You can use these resources on the old resonance units because they would get a lawsuit otherwise, that wouldn't be the case for any new one.
>I'm saying that limited styles like the unisons now have an avenue to be obtained outside of hoping there will ever be a rerun
They're still limited and are only available through reruns, they didn't add them to the pool.

>>4448663
>They're still limited and are only available through reruns
Resonance SS shards...

>>4448666
How is that better than what we had before?

>>4448668
Far as I understood you can get resonance tickets and get the resonance styles specifcally. And with those shards you can upgrade them.

>>4448669
What tickets? Where you get that from? They're literally rerunning unisons right now to make people roll for them.
>And with those shards you can upgrade them.
So far the only source of resonance shards in the game is when your unit is full lb, and you roll another copy.

>>4447759
It's been 2.5 years since Kura's last SS style came out... and now they nerfed her heal field.
The 3.5th anni style better be Kuracchi...

>>4449295
Considering that Monaka got many new sprites recently, it's easy to assume 3.5 event is going to be focused on her, especially considering most of the new expressions are her being sad.

>>4449323
And injured apparently. Interesting.
I honestly, genuinely feel like Monanyan never got to have proper closure. She literally just brute forced her way through grief. It's almost madness that Yuina got to have more closure than her.
And yeah, Monaka deep dive is one of my top 3 things I wanted for years now.

>>4449323
It's possible that Monaka stuff is for 5.3. We had the same thing last year, when they added a bunch of karetsuka sprites, and some people were convinced they would get an anni event, even though 4.2 Megumi was the most obvious option ever.

>>4449334
It's way too early for 5.3 data.
Also, there's no other unused sprites beside those rn and swimsuit Ruka sprite got updated (just allowed to toggle the blush option) and Vri got one new sprite which probably mean she'll have her event at the end of August or early September.

>>4449338
Also forgot to add that every anni event is Maeda and that he basically only does 31A,B, C and 30G.
Last year was already 31A alone, last event was 31B so it's either 31A+C or 31A+30G.

>>4449338
I literally used 5.2 KareTsuka as an example, they started getting sprites in May/June last year. Please, don't make go and check the archives for something I 100% know happened. Also, according to CN leaker, they already started adding script files for 5.3 a month ago, it was something about faith counter and something implying prison, I just forgot to post about it.

>>4449342
I hope that leak about 5.3 is real because only main story update news during 3.5 anni would negate the money hungry bs they've implemented. Praying that it won't be a split chapter like last time either and the allegedly improved dev cycle means we get the whole thing

>>4449464
Motherfucker... Literally just a dozen posts above yours. >>4448684

>>4449431
The leak is most likely real, because it's from the same person who leaked 5.2 split/wave/admiral last year. However, them adding these things early doesn't mean they will release it early, so I'm not that hopeful.

>>4449480
Let's say the new chapter releases in November, which is pretty fair I think, then getting a teaser 4 months ahead seems possible.

How does the current Score Attack even work? I'm just at level 40 and somehow it one shots my team?? This can't be because of my stats, my team is pretty strong...

>>4449583
ok, so 40 is actually just super high difficulty. They just lowered the number. I barely managed to beat 32 + 25. Probably doesn't help that I can't get my head around the resonance and support mechanic yet.
I'm gonna master this new system though, just you wait WFS!

>>4447756 (OP)
Oof. To say the community did not like the changes is an understatement. I'm not a gemaplayfag so I just don't care that much as long as the story and event content satisfies me, but this is gonna hit the game hard and affect me too in the long run.

>>4449631
Supports are simple, you just slap your biggest stats unit and call it a day. Resonance mechanic is kinda crap right now, because the amount of resonance units is extremely limited, but you can only resonance the same element as the original style. So, if you, let's say, want to resonace 31A skill on a fire unit... you just can't. They didn't make any fire 31A styles resonance supports.

>>4449648
Oh so that's why I can't pick the styles I want for the support. That's annoying. I was trying to make a squad of only yuri couples, but it didn't quite work out.
Those support skills seem to be decent though at least.

This is the most yuri squad I could make with the new support function. Not very viable, but cute.
Good thing that all non-elemental styles work with each other or there would be no chance for HisaIno ever.
If I had Isuzu's light style I could actually have used Ichiko's white suit, which would have been nicer.
Finally having Mari's wedding style doesn't feel shitty anymore, because you can directly attach her to Adel lol

>You can't even limit break resonance styles using the LB gauge that takes forever to build up
They could've at least given us this option. It's slow as hell just to get a LB 1 from the gauge. And they can't even spare that?

>>4449715
This specific change was based on pure greed, so no, they can't. I don't have any consumer friendly explanation to justify this resonace rarity thing, they just want people to roll more on the high value banners.

>>4449719
>they just want people to roll more on the high value banners
Which will become more common, to be replaced by either a more broken application of this mechanic, or a more broken entirely new mechanic, which will become more common...
At least these resonance banners aren't limited, right?

>>4449648
>but you can only resonance the same element
That's the shittiest part of the resonance system. Say if you were to build a team of 6 ice styles, you would only be able to equip supports of the ice element. So if you don't have a bunch of limit broken ice styles in addition to the 6 you are already using, you're going to take a huge stat drop.

>>4449720
>At least these resonance banners aren't limited, right?
How would that work? Just permanent banners? The hell?
90% of resonance styles rght now are either unisons or white suit styles. Unisons get their banner reruns fairly regularly lately and white suits are in the normal pool.

>>4449731
Well where's the "resonance" part if they ain't somehow similar? The idea's in the name. The only way they could expand on this is letting the same basic damage types resonate (e.g. ice/pierce can resonate both with ice and pierce styles). Or maybe inter-squad resonance. All 31C styles being compatible for example. Instead right now the resonance skills seem to be squad based.

>>4449677
>no MeguTama
invalid

>>4449639
Surely they did the changes knowing that whatever they announce during 3.5 anni will salvage everything

>>4450278
Even if it's sarcasm, don't give me hope like that... How could they potentially counter the last two streams?
Main story trailer? New game mode? Collabs with popular Gacha to bring in new people?

>>4450478
>collabs
That would suck. I don't understand people who want more garbage outside IPs to be involved. You know it will either be other Key works (not yuri) or some popular het garbage.
>main story trailer
This would certainly placate me. Not so much the numberfags unfortunately.

>>4450478
>main story trailer
keep dreaming lol

>>4450479
>other Key works (not yuri) or some popular het garbage
You mentioned the same thing twice. Still, didn't the Angel Beats collab add subtext between Kanade and Yuri?

>>4450483
It didn't. The second collab at least cemented the only yuri pairing AB already had, so there is that.
This is not really a situation you can repeat with any other Key story.

I mean, we got snap events and no big new game mode like the open world stuff with Nanamin. We didn't get a completely new song either for two months now.
One would imagine that the extra dev time goes to the main story. What else could they be doing?

>>4450488
>What else could they be doing?
Fucking up the gameplay more
Doom aside, main story trailer isn’t far off of an assumption. A mid case would be an interlude teaser or snap events of unpopular characters. Worst case is just giving us the event story and nothing else to look forward to. I’m always expecting the worst with WFS

>>4450491
The 3rd anni was pretty packed. It's always a possibility.

>>4450273
Sorry to be that guy, but MeguTama is still the least substantial main ship. Aside from the electrocution fetish and some really out of pocket Megumin lines, they generally feel like sisters more than anything. Of course they still got gay subtext, because this is HBR, but it really is quite weak considering they got TWO main story chapters devoted to their relationship. KareTsuka got like 1 1/2 and have been breezing easily past everyone except RukaYukki.

>>4450278
If they did the changes knowing they needed 3.5 anni to salvage it, why not wait until 3.5 anni to announce the changes? Surely that would've been better than not giving a response for 2 weeks while the game goes up in flames and hoping people come back later.

>>4450478
If they release a crossdressing Riki and Kyousuke unison, I'll drop enough money to LB4 the resonance.

>>4450720
I'd rather they released, and converted, any of the hetsluts in Key games. Which was until HBR released all of them.

>>4450720
>fujo
>on /u/
You took a wrong turn.

>>4450507
Eehhh 4.2 didn’t really focus on MeguTama as a pair but more as individuals who share similar pains. Karerin’s development in 5.2 had a lot to do with Tsukasa so they feel a lot closer and developed as a pair

>>4450909
I think it is very clear that each other's absence strongly affected both Megumi and Tama's actions in 4.2. Although it does feel like Tama was far more tied to Megumin than the reverse.
So yeah, I think it was about MeguTamna regardless, just focusing on the effects of being torn apart instead of connecting further like KareTsuka. But the fun thing is that those roles are reversed in the finales. 4.2 ends with Megumin vowing to never leave Tama again, while 5.2 ends with an unchangable goodbye.

Apparently, they also doubled the story enemies stats with the recent update. You can see it if you compare the 4.2 bosses on en and normal hbr.quest.

>>4450915
Not all stats, but hp/dp, bad wording. If they doubled the border, it would be over.

>>4450915
Good. It was painful to see how easy the story bosses got for new players. They didn't understand our struggles.

>first they ruined Waki
>now they ruin the whole gameplay aspect of it
Man, I don't even know if I want to keep playing this. Sure it was fun while it lasted, but if this is the path they choose to go down, then it will only get worse and worse from here on out.

>>4451051
Hyperbolic nonsense. I have been playing rhe last few days and literally felt no difference in gameplay. This shit must only matter to numberfags or to extremely new players. Bungo, Irene and Sumomo still destroy everything. I can still farm level 4 hard orb bosses with those teams, which is considered high level content for anyone who is just playing story and events.
>ruined Wakki
This claim is still so fucking weird. Not only is Wakki an irrelevant side-character when it comes down to it, Maeda obiously set her up for a character arc. This "steeled Wakki" can't be her end point. It runs contrary to her whole Bungo relationship and 31C already has acted worried about it. Until we learn Bungo's true backstory, Wakki is not done. She crashed out and acted like a bitch, true, but that's just trauma.

>>4451051
See you tomorrow, for the dailies.

>>4451063
>I can still farm level 4 hard orb bosses with [Bungo, Irene and Sumomo]
And, presumably, you can without them.

>>4451079
>And, presumably, you can without them.
Oh definitely. My elemental teams are still strong enough to do it, and Aoi Block is as broken as it has ever been. But crit pierce just makes farming less of a chore.
My point is just that if this gameplay change was meant to make the gameplay recognizably worse for people who just play story and events, then it just doesn't.