Thread 712346003

What went wrong?

the price tag and nothing else
it should have been a $15-25 expansion

>>712346003 (OP)
Even normies are getting sloplike fatigue.

>>712346003 (OP)
Nothing did. It has problems, but I haven’t enjoyed a game like this in years. You do have 2 friends, don’t you anon?

only thing wrong with this game is that you don't get a 3 red relic chalice so you can equip Wylder's three lore trinkets.

>>712346003 (OP)
it's fun but there could have been more content
thankfully they are going to add enhanced variants of existing bosses starting this month

>>712346712
>thankfully they are going to add enhanced variants of existing bosses starting this month
how can they make Libra even better? More engaging deals, or maybe the Frenzied Flame takes him and the fight completely changes into a more wild version of Midra?

>>712346003 (OP)
Best FROM gameplay besides Sekino, squandered on a fortnite clone.
Why Myazaki why?

Not enough proper content

i had more fun in it than ER or SotE.

>>712346003 (OP)
FROM tried to widen even more its horizons, but people who played Fortnite just kept playing fortnite, and people who liked ER jusst kept playing ER, I don't know what was the big idea here.

>>712346501
You absolutely do. I don't remember how they're unlocked, but eventually you can buy character-agnostic single color cups, so 3 reds, 3 greens, etc at the Small Jar Bazaar.

>>712346003 (OP)
>evening night 2
>LIBRA CURSE
I fucking hate that the game can just decide you lose a perfectly good run on a whim

>>712346003 (OP)
Nothing major, it was fun.

>>712347310
https://eldenringnightreign.wiki.fextralife.com/Chalices
:(

>>712347117
I heard that parrying in sekiro is much, much harder than in souls games
is that why people love that game?

kirby wylder

>>712346003 (OP)
Nothing, I'm already 70 hours deep

>>712347615
GIVE HIM BACK COVETOUS DEMON

>>712346003 (OP)
Not quite enough value for the price, as of yet - at least not by the standards their other games have set for replayability. The paid DLC is at least going to be more characters/bosses, and they said they're going to add a harder mode for the current bosses soon-ish, but that's not really enough. There needs to be different maps, not just shifting earth mixing up the current map. Like two more maps with different enemy sets/points of interest. Ideally a deeper/more varied set of relics. The game also doesn't often hit that 'oh I stumbled into an amazing build' moment very often, you're generally trying to make your character stronger at the stuff they're strong at. I can only think of one run where I happened into non-standard stuff that obliterated a boss.
It's great, but there needs to be more of it.

>>712347596
It's different, in Sekiro parry is instant instead of having an animation before you get parry frames but if you spam it multiple times in a second the game takes away your iframes.
Also the whole game is balanced around a single weapon so they could focus on making it ad feelgood as possible instead of going the souls way and chucking a bunch of options at you and asking to figure out how to cheese the boss.
Also people like it because it's an actual story instead of finding a bunch of notes about events you'll never see.

>>712347476
Huh, had to load up my game to verify but yeah you're right. What a conspicuous absence. I wonder if it actually exists but has some bugged unlock condition.

>>712347987
>Like two more maps
You are not getting a new map. Even in your dreams. That's A LOT of work, and this game is a cheap cashgrab.

>>712347596
Also, forgot to mention that since it has no PvP FROM removed any kind of input delay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bejKX5vw2-Y

>>712348162
I'm hoping it either comes with the DLC or is indeed bugged. Also, will be keeping an eye on modders, seems like a no-brainer.

Half these bosses I've beaten and don't want to see anymore. They're those bosses I loathe to see again on every playthrough of elden ring. I don't enjoy the rewards, either.

>

japs cannot making good games.

>>712348824
you forgot the 'stop'

>>712348808
I hate blackblade kindred more.
Gargoyle hitboxes are so dogshit.

>>712346712
There's some guy datamining 3rd boss phases. Bugs get a weird red moth, Centaur can nuke the ground with some kind of bow.

>>712348808
>the Revenant watching the crucible samurai and the mouthpiece of the Roundtable Hold get clapped by a wanna-be Sith lord

>>712347596
You heard wrong, Sekiro is casual as fuck

>>712341401
First, you're gonna want to look for a staff or seal with a strong spell. Comet Azur is not the nuke you think it is this time around, it's extremely situational.

Second, you're gonna want to get one weapon of every element: Fire, holy, lightning, and magic. Anything that's not fire, holy, or lightning counts as magic.
The merchants sell weapons of every element so if your map doesn't have a camp of the element you want save some runes to go shopping.

Third, you're gonna want to memorize the 14 magic cocktails Recluse can do. I know memorization isn't fun, but it's worth it here.
Fourth, make sure you pick up at least one melee weapon, a colossal if you can, for if you truly run out of mana or need to rescue your allies.

Now when playing as her, fire off spells from a distance, and collect residue to restore your FP and fire off cocktails. If you want a specific cocktail then use your weapons to collect the right residue. If your teammates are spamming elemental weapons then weave in some magic spam of your own and adapt. Magic + Holy is 7 seconds of infinite FP which lets you spam spells non-stop.

>>712348924
>stop
it's "over"
japs cannot make good games. over

>>712349034
Nope, they aren't. Git gud
>>712348808
Git gud

>>712349034
Gargoyles are only bad when they come in duos and the arena is gigantic and bumpy. Otherwise, they're not that hard.

>>712346003 (OP)
The game only has 20 seeds per boss, not counting the shifting earth seeds. 20 seeds. A randomizer of the base game has more replayability than this slop.

>>712349575
>the arena is gigantic and bumpy
which it always is when you are fighting those assholes
or better yet it’s the volcano one that likes to camp out in the lava

>>712349750
but they don't come in duos anymore, do they? Getting eviscerated by the venom attack that came from the back and then rolling into a big ass combo was the worst thing. Never want to see another gargoyle duo in my fucking life. Even when the terrain is bad, a gargoyle alone is manageable.

>>712346003 (OP)
>watching Revenant become the mascot Miquella should've been
A Tier bag fumbling by Fromsoft

>>712351257
if only he appeared to you as Melina does and tried to convince you throughout the game to join him, even appearing on Torrent's back occasionally if you vowed allegiance to him...
sucks to suck, I guess.

>>712351257
Revenant has more agency to her character and doesn't suffer from being a zanzibart boss. Best souls character which isn't much but a big step forward for From.

>>712351257
Gays are not welcome here

>>712349034
this was us deciding whether or not to get rekt

>>712352589
just think how cool brother would think you are if you soloe'd that boss

>>712352947
Everyone wants to sex revenant and recluse but I want to sex duchess, she has a cute voice and accdent and she's the first one I rescued in the intro so I have a closer connection with her

>>712352589
>revenant doing the stupid meme build
>executor on a boss thats almost inmune to ailments
its a tough one

>>712349263
>Fourth, make sure you pick up at least one melee weapon, a colossal if you can, for if you truly run out of mana or need to rescue your allies.
Nta but I'd suggest doing this ASAP if you're going solo, too many otherwise easy level sources will filter you if you rely on your starting spells. Even a basic weapon is fine.

>>712347596
That's bullshit. There's only more than one type of parry and they can't keep a rhythm (maidenless). The timing is very forgiving

Haven't played it. ER is probably the second best game From made after Sekiro, but this one seems like an expansion stretched into a full game. Should have made a standalone title instead.

>>712353643
I take a a wraith calling bell at the start for that reason.

>>712351758
>>712351523
back to 'cord, o algo

>>712346003 (OP)
It's a From game that now (officially) caters to normies. No coming back from that. Bethesda and FromSfot are on the same level.

>>712346003 (OP)
Not enough recluse feet.

>>712354942
Wraith calling bell is really strong but imo it doesn't entirely fix Recluse's lack of good melee option.
I run bell on Duchess though because fuck dying to a single hit trying to kill bosses with a dagger.

>Finally get a old gaol to spawn
>Cucked by the fortnite ring before we could kill the bosses
Another 80h to get another, woo

>>712355609
I once dropped a bell for a revenant in the day 3 lobby and the team ironeye picked it up instead, and proceeded to spam it against the nightlord. Okay dude!

>>712349263
melee weapons also help when you need to smack something at the rises.

>>712355754
I had an Ironeye last game pick up magic scorpion charm...

>>712346103
no...

>>712355754
I mean I kind of get it. If I see Siluria's Tree drop, I'm using it character be damned.

>>712347596
>I heard that parrying in sekiro is much, much harder than in souls games

>>712348808
stop dodging away from his attacks and dodge towards him and to the side, he has a 360 attack up close and you just have to watch out for that.
once you stop panic rolling and get to his face youll realize his attack windows are forgiving as fuck.

>>712353105
game awards accent. It's as if they put him in the game.

>>712356104
Sometimes the drops are unfair as shit. I once got a gold orb that yielded... The Giant's Hair Whip. Meanwhile the Revenant was running around with the Darkmoon Greatsword. I was Recluse.
Earlier in that same run the Guardian dropped his shield to run dual Golden Halberds, and a drop gave me the Fingerprint Stone Shield. I took it and dropped it for him, and he took it, then dropped his useless starting shield that he wasn't using. He didn't use the new one either.

>multiplayer game
>no regional matchmaking
I love getting a host from new zealand and having my attacks register a full half a second later!
>but the options menu has an option for cross reagion matchmaking
if only it was that simple, but from software are retarded when it comes to online functionality

it's crazy how little they've improved on this since even demon's souls

>>712356185
don't gotta tell me man, i already rl1'd him in caelid before. just got nicked and found it funny

>>712352589
There is a castle top arena where gargoyle can spawn?

>>712357346
ye

>>712355719
How do you even tell which is an old gaol? I randomly got an achievement for it after doing a gaol.
Yesterday I didn have one spawn a fucking ancient dragon but the gaol itself didn't look any different.

>>712351620
>Revenant has more agency to her character and doesn't suffer from being a zanzibart boss
Miquella clearly shouldn't have been a zanzibart boss.

>>712357346
Various bosses can spawn up there. I've seen Elemer, Ulcerated Tree Spirits, Death Rite Birds, Black Blade Kindred, and Magma Wyrms.

>to pass time: use bed
>can't use a bed
What the fuck did Fromsoft mean by this?

>>712346712
The nightlord bosses are already good though. It’s everything leading up to them that needs work.

>>712357778
they meant irl

>>712356576
Tbf they made MLGS a str weapon for some reason.

>>712351257
Shadow of the Erdtree might be the single biggest waste of potential in gaming history.

>>712358183
This, sadly.

>>712346103
yes, but they dont want to play nightreign at the same time i want.
retarded fucking argument

>>712347596
It's MUCH easier you're just expected to do it about 500 times more often.

>>712347418
You guys aren’t actually using greatswords with revenant, RIGHT?

>>712351257
>people still seething about their wholesome chungus faggy femboy actually being a deranged rapist psycho that you have to put down
lol

>>712358974
>gloating that From made a pile of shit
You're no better than journos.

>>712359229
Japs have not had good taste in video games in ages. They all play gacha bullshit on their phones. The best games coming out of the east blow up specifically because they’re popular in western markets.

>>712359229
>Game catered to the west does horribly in the east
Not surprised since Dark Souls franchise is unapologetically western and bombs in Japan.

>>712357045
funny thing is OG demon's souls was the best at this aspect: all 3 regions had separate servers, EU copies could not connect to NA or japanese ones and vice versa

>>712359229
am i suppose to care what SEAniggers think of game?

>>712359229
Why should I care about gacha consooming Switch players? The west is the main consoomers of Fromsoft and historically have been that way.

>>712357619
No exterior signs, just the bosses it spawns (Godskin duo, Death Rite Bird and Ancient Dragon.

>>712359374
Insofar as Japanese devs have fallen off, they've also only fallen further under the thumb of westoids with time. Look at the Square Enix of today versus the Square Enix of 20 years ago. They're not more Japanese now. Same thing with From, Elden Ring had A/B body type shit.

>>712359503
>>712359723
Westerners worship the ground Miyazaki walks on and have built a cult around him because western devs have committed DEI suicide. The Japanese rightly recognize him for the mediocrity that he is.

>>712360418
Fromsoft was never Japanese. They're a weak version of Bethesda since they're incapable of story telling.

>>712361069
>Bethesda
>Good storytelling.

>>712355935
Average Ironeye player

>>712346003 (OP)
3.5 million people bought it instead of taking a firm stance against lazy asset flip garbage.

>it's bell bearing hunter in the base of the middle castle episode
when will they fix solo runs

>>712363402
Don't worry, he's just as cancer on the roof too

>>712358672
Sorry, I'm running bleed infused claws with stamina on hit relics.

>shit boss design
>poor balance
>RNG elements are very lackluster or outright shit (fuck the relic gacha)
>one map
>poor boss variety considering the number of games they pull from (although that would likely just mean worse balance)
I think those are the big ones.

>>712358672
I don't have a choice, I have to run colossals because they're fueling the only FP Regen relic I can remotely get my hands on.

>>712358009
Wait what? Why the FUCK does this game not even have simple letters indicating the scaling if they switched the things around so much?

>>712358672
If it's one of the FTH-scaling ones, sure. Usually I'm stuck with my starting frost fist.

>>712365101
There's still letters, they're just hidden away in the codex.

>>712364015
Relics are 99% shit
Roguelikes eventually bless you with some kind of rng that enables some kind of broken build for you to enjoy for a while. This game just gives you a boss soul weapon you've probably already used in the base game.

>>712358974
You can be all that and still be beloved/respected by the fandom. People genuinely hate Miquella and want nothing to do with him

real men weapon

>>712365101
I'm pretty sure it was just for standardization purposes (all greatswords are str with some dex, all whips are dex, etc etc, with only a few exceptions like cipher pata), weapons with infusions get some faith or int scaling but still mostly scale to their expected stat.
Should still tell you in-game though, yeah.

>>712365669
>play executor
>find or someone drops me RoB
>now have to just stop using my other weapons i was liking because i would be gimping myself if i wasnt just spamming WA with it
just let me use a different weapon game... please....

>impossible to find shield / weapon with parry
>finding just a shield is pretty rare
this game needs loadouts because how else are you supposed to kill crucible knights without parry?

>>712365440
C scaling for 79 points of damage still matters more than B scaling for the 53 physical, so it’s still an INT weapon mostly. But I do feel like they’ve made things confusing in nightreign in terms of some of the scaling

>>712365101
i don't think needing to know the specific scaling matters so much in this game

when you go to pick up a weapon off the ground, your character's stat scaling is already calculated in the weapon attack power that's shown. So if you pick up a greatsword as duchess it might show 100 attack, but if you drop that same sword and wylder goes to pick it up, it might show it as 150 for him.

all you really need to know is which weapon has a bigger attack number

>>712365520
I don't like nor respect Griffith either.

>>712366018
Yeah, but all weapon types deal different amounts which makes it difficult to compare without knowing how they should they work with your build. Is a 80 damage frost katana stronger or weaker than a 140 damage great spear?

>>712363402
Skill issue.

>>712365520
>People genuinely hate Miquella and want nothing to do with him
Good.

6th most played game on Steam at the moment.

>>712366931
and yet I still can't find a crater lobby

>>712348162
maybe from beating hard mode bosses?

>>712366251
Your over thinking it, slower weapon more damage, fast weapon little damage, put both weapon in each hand and hit bad guy to test

what kind of dlc characters do you think they're cooking up

It's great on pc where you can turn off storm damage, but I'm a consolefag so unfortunately I wasted $40 on a game I only enjoyed for like 4 bosses; hopefully they make another solo adjustment, just need 1 more nurf to the boss damage and I'm sure I could get through the rest.

>>712367601
Perfumer and horse rider

>>712367806
>where you can turn off storm damage
Shitter

>>712368089
I'd do it if I could, unfortunately that's a pc only perk. Either up the timer or lower boss damage for solo.

>>712346003 (OP)
For them? Not much. Massive commercial success.

>>712367806
With a mod? Surely you can't get achievements that way?

>>712346003 (OP)
Nothing. It's unironically what the main game should have been.

>>712367056
do gaping jaw runs, that's the first map when shifting earth opens up. you should find at least one teammate with crater going on if you choose that one

>>712368749
Yeah, a mod. I'm sure it disables achievements, but who needs those?

>>712346003 (OP)
>can't pause during SP expeditions - I know no souls game did this but you could at least wait somewhere safe in those, unlike here where you're on the clock 90% of the time and an expedition is like half an hour long
>only one map - no, shitting earth does not count as a map
>augur fight as melee - fuck you
>only one class is not rng dependent to get the reliable FP regen

Despite all this, I ended up liking the game much more than I thought I would. The deflect man is very fun to play as. Hated revenant and the duchess due to their piss poor damage.

>>712368439
Solo is already easy mode, you want the game to play itself?

>>712346003 (OP)
they decided to regurgitate content but only ported like 6 bosses from older games. there should be hundreds

>>712367601
A grapple would be so fun
>gigantic HP pool, but no armor so reduced defenses
>melee combat but with technique, a dodge and a way to grapple enemies and toss them into other enemies
>deals extra damage if enemy hits a wall/breakable object
>solely focused on stance damage, not much overall damage
>can throw downed teammates at enemy, which counts for revival
>can fucking throw Rider's pillar

>>712369383
I don't care if other can reach lv15 in 3 seconds or solo a boss with no relics and starting equipment. I want to enjoy the game, and that's not happening till something changes. They did it once, so I can only hope they do one more or I get some busted relic.

Do you ever bond with the shitter randos as you play?
>first night goes smooth, level 8
>everyone followed pins well fights well
>rush castle
>green ironeye just fucks off to a church halfway thru the castle clearing
>top of castle is Tree Sentinel who one shots me and Blue
>Bluetism Wylder spams and fails Day 2 Sentinel
We get to Commander Nile day 2 fight and I chose to tryhard and forgive them.
>Libra fight get to like 1/4th HP
>we each revive each other barely during minute long chain Libra spam
Still lost but I respected my tardbros in the end.

>>712367806
Stormtism is so weird. The game is paced well. Play any rougelike or any game made after 2015 they all have this shit it's to force engagement and decsions

What’s the deal with weapon grease in this? Is it just a flat damage boost or is it actually affected by scaling and such?

>>712370517
Needs more permanent progression, most of the rougelikes I've played (not too many) had 2 or 3 different types. If only you could trash relics to take out an effect you like and add it to another.

>>712371753
They favor my side, so all I gotta do is wait.

>>712367601
>>712368017
I think a playable nights cavalry would be great
Preference: spears, flails
B-C for most stats
Passive: gain improved damage negation and attack while mounted
Character ability: summon and mount a short lived spectral steed that leaves behind a trail. Allies that enter the trail have reduced stamina consumption and improved surge sprint speed. Activate the character ability again while mounted to jump a great height leaving behind a weak spirit spring for allies
Ultimate art: summon and mount a real steed with improved health and duration. Allies near you while you are mounted are granted your passive effect without having to be mounted. Activating the character ability while riding the real steed will grant you the benefits of the spectral steed and further improve the passive for yourself only

>>712370704
It was a flat 80 elemental damage in Elden Ring and a lot of items that had scaling in Elden Ring lost their scaling in Nightreign, so I'm going to guess it's about the same and if nothing else definitely has no scaling.

>>712371892
actually they favor my side because they are making the game harder :^)

>>712369047
That's a good idea. I'll try that, thanks.

>just finished sll the rememberance quests for the bird
>all my relics reflect damage when I block
>I can now contend with recluse and dutchess in the dps race

Guardian steel block is so fucking good bros. Birdboys eating SUPER GOOD.

Too restrictive

>>712372308
Take the whirlwind on charged halberd swings, helps push groups of enemies and really improves your ability to stagger bosses

>>712372360
Switch to boxers instead of briefs then.

>>712372094
Nope, they already made solo slightly easier. They're bound to do one more update in that direction. Nurfing boss stats or adding a new form of progression, whatever it is will be the final thing I need.

>Wylder's family is from a Mongol inspired grasslands horse-riding clan
>his armor is nordic-looking with even a longship design on his pants
Is Wylder a viking-boo?

>>712369368
>can't pause
Really should be a thing. On PC as a hacky workaround you can suspend the nightreign.exe process in resource monitor. I keep it positioned for quick alt tab access.
>augur as melee
Grab a greatbow or kill the adds. It's often flying outside of spell or other bows' range anyway.
>reliable FP regen
Guaranteed starlight shards from every merchant and in every Rise. Day 1/2 merchants are dirt cheap and always worth buying just to kill bosses faster, even on Recluse.
>Hated revenant and the duchess due to their piss poor damage.
Feel like they're actually some of the better solo damage dealers. Restage is nutty with bleed/frost or bursty sorceries, summons taking aggro creates wide attack windows, both are comparable to Recluse magically in their respective categories.

I want to see more matches with people all picking the same character but none of the randoms i play with want to do it

they flee my cursor on the character select screen

>>712373230
Hero shooters have ruined the minds of our youth.

>>712373034
I wish they go for more east inspired stuff that isn't Japan. They did not do their research at all in this case.

>>712346003 (OP)
Should I get this even if I will probably only play with randoms

>>712373350
I consider tard wrangling randoms as part of the challenge and fun. So far my win rate has been about 60% with randoms after 80 matches so it’s a coin flip that your teammates are reliable or incompetent

I just finished the final boss. I feel freed, not sure if I'll play it a bit more or just move on. It was good though.

>>712347404
just go kill Libra

>>712373034
There's nothing about him that suggests Mongolian. You might as well say he's Native American-inspired because he rides a horse across the plains.
>Norse-themed horseman
He's from Rohan.

>>712373034
maybe the design of his clothes come from his many travels? He did walk a long way to find his sister, and his earring is supposedly the only remnant he has of his clan.

>>712373350
yes, I haven't played with my usual souls crew (weed gang wtf) yet it was all randoms and it's fine. Especially now that everyone knows what they're doing.

PC
>79.1% have beaten dog
>59.4% have beaten jaw
>28.6% have beaten heolstor

PS5
>73.3% have beaten dog
>51.6% have beaten jaw
>20.2% have beaten heolstor

>>712374147
>lowest score is the PS5 one
lmao

>>712373230
Same, it's really fun. I did one with all Ironeyes and we absolutely demolished everything. Had this one with all Revs too but we got stomped by the boss lmao

>>712374335
Its in everyone’s best interest to do it anyway since it’s a ton of easy early game runes.

>>712371090
>rougelikes

>>712374784
It’s a one letter difference man, don’t be annoying.

>>712374375
le creature

Best first camp to clear after spawn? I'm leaning towards the army camps. Lots of weak soldiers for easy runes, lots of chests to get you going with weapons and consumables.

>>712375298
Instant gaol, don’t be a bitch and run when it’s ancient dragon

>>712367601
i want a dragon communion character

>>712346003 (OP)
nothing exposes how shit the average player is than trying to get the noklateo event done, killing astel is a herculean task with randos christ

>>712375437
With the Das2 dragon armor obviously

>>712375432
Is there a way to start off with a key?

>>712375502
really? i never had problems with that one, now the rotten forest on the other hand isa bit of a pain with randos who don't follow the pings

>>712375298
The fire chariot ones are almost impossible to fail and dont matter what level if you know the trick, but virgin abductor camps if im playing recluse

>>712375596
The big church ruins and forts almost always have one, loot the metal chests

>>712375596
there's +key relics

>>712375596
relics can put a stonesword key into your starting inventory

>>712375596
The shop will eventually give a relic that starts you off with a stone sword key

tried a few solo runs and that may have been the most miserable gaming experience ive had in recent years.
you die once? just reset the run its quite literally over

>>712348808
they buffed this mother fucker.
on release I was always stunlocking him to death even if my randos were not good.
He was so piss easy I didn't even understand the memes about him being that opressive, I had more issues with the dead bird.

>>712376014
I will never play this game solo

>>712373230
There are people who don't even know you can pick the same character

Relics are a game changer when it comes to wylder. Being able to light your sword on fire anytime you want is goat. Guardians special abilities sort of suck by comparison (longer whirlwind and whirlwind after charged heavy). What do the other characters get?

>>712373230
>>712376150
I play half the cast and seeing someone pick one of them(wylder, recluse, duchess, ironeye) means I will pick one of the non picked for variety

>>712374147
If you remove all the PC cheaters, PS percentage would be higher

>>712376405
kek now that is an entertaining cope

>>712376275
I'm all for variety, but I really wanna see 3 iron eye stacking because that's so much damage output, it's silly

Does anyone bother with ruins unless they really want the element? They seem to give the shittiest loot and the enemy density is terrible.

>>712376221
>Guardians special abilities sort of suck
I don’t know how anyone says this when extended whirlwind makes storm knights dance around like fools and whirlwind on heavy halberd attack is free damage that greatly improves your ability to stagger big mobs

>>712374147
It just takes me a while
Dabbing on friendslop solo only

>>712376687
theyre a safe choice on day 1 with randos

>>712376687
A lot of bosses in ruins can be quick kills like perfumers, albanurics, Faram beastmen, battle mages, blood duelist, etc. great for grabbing passive effects on the way to a objective

The balance and rng not working ruins it.

>>712376687
>he never ironeye ulted a blood ruins to kill 20 blood zombies in one go

>>712376753
Because it doesn't scale into late game. Sure, early on you're an aoe machine, but by the time I get to the night lord all I get to be is a block bot because my special ability sucks monkey dick. Even if it did any damage most of the lords jump around the battlefield so much you're not getting any value out of the extended duration

>>712368749
The mod that increases stat scaling and reduced damage taken by 80% didn't turn off achievements.

How would the other seven react to Wylder doing that shit with the silver tear? specially Duchess because at that point she did something to ensure he lives after everything is over and then Wylder one ups her sacrifice with his for her.

>>712377106
Whirlwind on halberd does scale with you level while his character ability doesn’t, still being able to stagger better at all stages of the game is great and if you are being a block bot then you are doing your job so adding the whirlwind on heavy gives you more damage when you aren’t tanking

>>712376753
Because banished knights aren't hard enemies in the first place.

>>712358183
still mad that you can't talk to gideon about the very fucking thing he was trying to uncover

>>712377032
What do you mean by rng not working?

>>712377361
Or how beating the hardest boss in the series doesn't give you a new ending.

Revenant is trans

>>712377353
Them being hard doesn’t matter, being able to thrash them for free without fear of retaliation is what makes it great

>>712377553
Hardest boss for me is accessing the DLC in the first place. I don't have a finished save before clearing ng and I'm not gonna do the DLC on ng++. Re rolling a new character was to tedious for me. But who knows, maybe night reign reignites my interest in finishing yet another Elden Ring run.

>>712377570
Dolls are tranny dog whistles. It's why they collect them irl or try to look like one.

Demon's Souls dlc, please. Imagine hearing this again after killing some Boletaria soldiers on night 2.

>>712377553
>last boss of the dlc opposes you and the erdtree
why would he give a new ending? unless you are saying you should be able to give your ass to miquella so he can do whatever to unlock another ending

>>712377570
She is very clearly a doll.

>>712378054
Forgot link:
https://youtu.be/AGDY4r951Zc?si=uEBMiuOyrYmfQlja

>>712346003 (OP)
the game isn't comfy at all, it's just running around trying to kill everythign as quick as possible

>>712378054
Sony owns Demon's Souls and Bloodborne, so From would only be able to sort of vaguely reference them at best.

>>712378060
Maybe we could ascend to godhood like milk tequila was trying to. Two versions: a bad one where you become a pure god and another where you maintain your humanity if you did the St. Trina questline. Or just another chair ending, anything!

>>712376014
shut the fuck up randoms are cool

>crazy good run
>night 2 boss drops in 30 secs
>look at squad gear
>realize no one has boss weakness
oh no...

>>712376687
Usually only if they're in the middle of my route, but I had good luck with the chests in frost and bleed ruins the last few runs so I might make a point of checking those more often.

>>712378297
why's Nintendy getting BBorne 2 then huh huh huh

>>712378297
Fake Ruler Allan and his magical blade Soilbrandt

I hate how they made this game work for Ironeye but deprived all the others.

>>712378546
because is not bb2

>>712378578
>picks up a bow as any other class
what now

how true is this shit?

NEW CONTENT is coming to NIGHTREIGN!
.
.
That's right! Fromsoftware announces a new patch, this time with improved (harder) bosses, new characters, and a new game mode. Tomorrow I'll release a video with all the details about this great news, but yes, it seems From wants to give the game a lot of love, and well, that's fine by me!

>>712378784
there is already a mod with all the datamined new bosses, 3rd phase for existing ones, etc

>>712377032
You realize pretty quick that 90% of drops are utter trash because they don't have the boss weakness which is nigh mandatory for night 3.
>>712378417
It's utter faggotry that bosses are nigh invincible to everything but their weakness. When this game dies it'll be because there is literally no build variety because there's only a small handful of options that are actually viable for night 3.

This entire concept would have been richer as a mode in Armored Core 6. Three players working together, gathering parts, fighting bosses etc.

>>712378546
Because according to the Japanese legal system it's literally okay when Nintendo does it.

>>712378841
Niiiiice

>>712378770
Sorry bub you don’t have
>full invincibility on character ability
>improved loot for all
>ult that can kill 15 enemies in one hit
Next time don’t throw by picking an inferior character. Just take ironeye

>>712378889
Robots aren't as exciting as a colorful medieval cast.

>>712378417
>>712378864
The boss weaknesses are SEVERELY overrated, to be honest. They're incredibly useful, especially on the bosses that have effects other than just taking extra damage, but they're 100% unnecessary to beat any of them. I've beaten every single boss solo without their weakness, and I'm pretty sure I've beat all of them except for Gladius in groups without their weakness, as well.

>>712378546
To spite Sony, what better way to take revenger over the asshole keeping your beloved IP hostage that making a new IP for its enemy (also I am damn sure they worked a better deal this time, something like how Astral chain used to be where each one own 50% of the IP).

>>712378864
>nigh mandatory
if your a shitter then yah I guess it’s mandatory

>>712378864
>nobody has the 20% extra damage on basic attacks for the boss?
>the run is ruined!, everyone quit, there is no point in continuing
retard

>>712379069
they can be

How bad will this board meltdown when it wins GOTY?

>>712379236
at least be honest that the weaknesses do more than just increased damage.
>>712379096
yeah you can technically do it, just like faggots do sl1 no hit runs. Doesn't mean it's fun or that anyone but the sweatiest retard begging for twitch donos wants to do that shit.

And I would consider stacking bleed and frost to knock down their inflated health pools to be just as gay as boss weaknesses.

>>712379620
I don't think it's that good but I had fun with it.

>>712379620
Its good but not great and it filtered out the normgroid audience too hard.

>>712379620
It wouldn't get nominated since SotE caused butthurt last year for it.

>>712379620
doesn't it have to compete with mario kart in the multiplayer game space

Does killing X boss make Y relic more likely to drop, or is it all random? Like does killing dog drop Reds more likely vs killing Cool Ranch Dragon drop more blues etc?
And can I PLEASE sell all these dogshit relics I will literally never use?

I'm just here for the artwork, especially Recluse pictures.

Keep 'em comin', fellas.

>>712380461
I decided to just Google it instead of being spoonfed, yes you can sell Relics.

>>712379762
>>712380072
>>712380209
>>712380212
Nothing has staying power like it
It'll win when it's still the most played game by far in December
This shits been top of sales since release and it's not slowing down

>>712379620
if E33 doesnt win it will be because geoff is deepthroating kojimbo

>>712379731
>yeah you can technically do it, just like faggots do sl1 no hit runs. Doesn't mean it's fun or that anyone but the sweatiest retard begging for twitch donos wants to do that shit.
The boss weaknesses genuinely don't matter for most of them.
Maris, Heolstor, Adel, and Gnoster are barely changed by their weakness. They are at most kind of weak to them but it doesn't meaningfully alter the fight (i.e. Adel will vomit in his first phase but that's not really a big deal, and you only need fire to burn the parasites for Gnoster's fight if somebody gets grabbed). The weaknesses are otherwise just "they do slightly more damage than other affinities", which is meaningless.
Gladius and Caligo get fucked up by their weaknesses but they're not very difficult fights so they're absolutely not necessary. As long as you're not hitting Gladius with fire he's pretty fragile.
Fulghor and Libra are the two that are hard enough to justify using their weaknesses and also get horribly bodied by their weaknesses. I'd still say it's 100% unnecessary for Fulghor, and for Libra you will NOT get his weakness because Madness is so rare. I've never even seen anybody get a Madness weapon or incant in the game and it's never really mattered for the Libra fight. It's better to target holy weapons on him than Madness.
The weakness effects that matter are
>Fulghor stun
>Libra going sicko mode (never gonna see it though lmao)
>Gladius split
>Caligo flop
Heolstor, Adel, Gnoster, and Maris don't really have important secondary effects from their weaknesses.

The boss weaknesses are quite strong and worth deliberately targeting IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO but they're squarely unnecessary and each fight is totally doable without them. It's more important to get a good build than it is to target the weakness (i.e. if a Recluse had to choose between casting spells or using a lightning weapon on Maris, it'd be better to use spells, and that's probably the biggest resistance gap in the game).

>>712380916
I could be wrong but I think goat gets afflicted with Madness if you manage to break all his seals before he powers up, but that's hard to do unless you're Ironeye since your teammates will almost never help break them.

How many more "What went wrong?" Nightreign threads are we going to get? The threads are just people talking about engaging with the game normally

>>712380850
I can't believe he didn't rightfully award Death Stranding back in 2019. We would have less annoying Sekirofags running around.

Just tried out Ironeye the first time and holy shit he is piss easy to play, no wonder all the shitters flock to him

>>712381193
I think he does, as well. Which is just another reason why targeting his weakness is pointless, because it's not needed to cause him to do that. I've seen him do that once and I'm pretty sure it was because the Recluse did a big AoE on him. The other few times I've fought him he just went into Transcendental Buddha Mode and got harder but he's still manageable.

>>712381251
That's how it works on /v/.
Thread with well thought out OP post encouraging discussion? Archived in 10 posts. Post calling the game bullshit or implying it sucks? Goes to autosage.

Also see- classic Monsta Hunta threads

>>712380916
Had a frenzy tower event once that gave me Vyke's Spear and a teammate dropped me a second one to powerstance. Libra basically spent the whole fight frenzied, it was great.

>>712378407
not with randoms, solo as in one player. but it is understandable one could forget this shitpile of a mode is even an option

>>712381272
His skill has so many iframes, it's crazy. If you keep distance and have an extra charge, you can easily avoid most attacks

>>712380916
I got lucky and got Vyke's war spear a couple of times for Libra. Once from the madness event, and another time Libra just gave it to me from the "receive a powerful weapon" trade. Really good against him, but yeah not something you can typically go out of your way to get.

>>712367601
The most obvious current missing archetype is that of the Str/Faith playstyle, maybe give them a focus on buffing/support or lean into some penance or templar thing.

>>712380850
You mean that game everyone already forgot about?

>>712378864
The only boss weakness that's nigh mandatory is lightning for the centaur because without it you can't stop idiot teammates from getting oneshot by his big spear, and maybe holy for dogs for the same reason, every other weakness is nice to have but not really a big deal.

>>712376014
The only time dying really hurts you is if you lose your runes in the rain over it. Otherwise you respawn nearby, can pick them back up, and lose nothing. Hell sometimes it can be faster to die mid boss fight for the free FP refill.

>>712381967
death stranding 2 comes out in like 2 weeks bro

>>712382045
>walking simulator
heh u kojimabots think too much of your failed Hollywood director I was talking about E33

Roguelikes fucking suck man thats what happened. Nobody likes that kind of dogshit, maybe if it was a Roguelite it would be interesting but no they went with the one genre everyone was sick of 5 years ago

>>712382151
I know but I didnt expect you to spread your shitposting this wide, quick say something about nightrein as well for more attention

>>712380916
Hard disagree. I've had fights where we all go in without the boss weakness and wipe before we even clear half health, and then fights where we all have the weakness and clear it without anybody even going down. It doesn't even feel like the same game when using weaknesses.

>>712381967
It has been one full month. Of course discussion dies like flies when the game is singleplayer. NR looks like it is already in the brink of death since there has been only one or two threads after just two weeks and that's a sign of a bad mp game.

>>712381926
They will give that archetype as a sun bro

>>712381680
nah senpai, the only way you would think randoms are bad is if you yourself are bad, or maybe you are on console, everyone on pc so far has been a fantastic player

>>712383649
in my experience as a player they are mostly decent, the problem is when they dont know what they are doing moving on the map and they dont listen to pings either

>>712382151
>failed Hollywood director
You say that like Kojima didn’t give us more narrative and gameplay experimentation in a single cutscene than E33 managed across its entire runtime. Hell, the most memorable part of E33 was the clown glitch during launch week. Say what you want about Death Stranding, at least I remember what I played.

>>712383649
PlayStation randoms are better than PC players.

>>712385042
Doubtful

>Keeping Libra in check and stopping him from buffing himself
>Misread an attack and eat shit
>Team folds because the primary DPS dealer is dead
I love fighting this boss but most of my teammates are idiots.

>>712380850
Nobody played this

>>712385586
You’re right for the earlier bosses like Pest and Augur where I have to carry my entire team every single time like this one where we fought a draconic sentinel right next to the last circle and entered it with 2 flasks and I just did it all myself. The other Raider’s inventory was really funny btw he only had 3 weapons and Rennala’s staff.

>queue up for all bosses
>stuck at 2/3 for minutes
>remove doggos
>instant match
fuck off game im not carrying some shitter

>>712346003 (OP)
game is good because you're still talking about it.

the main thing is that at its base, its a good game, and it can only get better the more they add.

>have an amazing run
>trip up and die at the boss
Apparently nobody brought the boss's weakness, so that didn't help

what happened to the post game features?

>A big aspect of FromSoft’s prior games is the post-game: New Game Plus, and other post-game challenges that await you even after you complete the game. Does Nightreign have something like that waiting for players after they defeat the eight Nightlords?

>We have incorporated some post-game or end-game features for players once they've gone through all of the Nightlords. I first want to stress that to get to that point, we feel that there is enough content there to satisfy users in general, so to get through each of those Nightlords and use each of these characters and experiment with the game as a whole. But beyond that, you have the unlocking relics, new relic rites to experiment even more with the character builds. You have these elements that you will be accumulating as you proceed through the game, such as the relics and the character stories and scenarios, but there's no time limit on these at all. There's no limit to how much the player can explore and how long they take. So we hope that these elements will give them a little extra bump to go past the end game and explore a bit more of what the game has to offer.

>>712385042
PC evidently has higher clear rates than PS5, so I doubt that >>712374147

>>712389014
Might be the hard mode versions of the bosses they said they were adding. The fact that the data for the hard mode versions of some of the bosses is already in the game means it's possible that was meant to be included on launch and had to be delayed.

>>712389014
It's just a lot of words to say you can play the stages again with a different character

knight moves too much to the point that its unfun

>>712388840
don't listen to these tryhards. They insist boss weaknesses don't matter. git gud, skill issue, etc. I actually beat the boss lvl 1 without even hitting it. I just rolled backwards for six hours until the game bugged and the boss fell through the floor.

>>712380569
I think its biggest issue is not enough staying power. They should've added way more randomization to help things feel fresh as well as bring back old DS monster favorites

>>712389063
Pc players are faggots that mod difficulty out of games for their fragile ego. Console chads play the game as intended so those achievements on pc are tainted by crybaby bitch ass cheaters

>>712390386
Knight's the fight where I learned at a very unfortunate time that there are invisible walls in the nightlord arenas that only become visible once you reach them.

>>712391710
got fucked by that once while running behind caligo to avoid the ice AOE
that fog really should be visible from a further distance

>>712346003 (OP)
Multiplayer slop

Multiplayer kino

>>712351257
I'm still irritated by that false advertising initial preview with Miquella on Torrent.

>>712382321
>anecdotal evidence
Yeah and I've beaten every boss without the weakness, and lost group fights where we all had their weakness. I'm not going to say that's conclusive proof that the weaknesses are completely useless, just like if I lost without the weakness it's not conclusive proof that they're mandatory.

My post was based on factual information about what the weaknesses actually do to each boss. Several of them it's only a small damage boost (seen here >>712379096 ) and there's no mechanical component (or the component is barely useful, like Gnoster's fire weakness letting you cleanse the parasites from your team), but for others it does have a major impact. The thing is that for some of the bosses where it does have a major impact, they're easy enough that it's not a big deal.

>>712383649
hey man i dont know if youre literate or not, but i never said anything about randoms and just had a great run with some. does the word "singleplayer" ring any bells?

>>712382321
It depends on the boss. On some of them like the centaur or gaping jaw you get big stuns for using their weakness and for others it's just more damage

>>712385042
Pretty much this. I play on both platforms but PC players are often the ones pinging uncontrolably on the map just to end up dying solo to a boss and ragequiting.
Not all of them are like that though.
>>712385042
Steam chievos are a joke because you can hack them.

>>712393902
That's how it should have been from the start.

>>712393902
Not gonna lie I got a MASSIVE boner doing her remembrance. I can't wait for the doujins to come out based on this scene.

>>712378417
If you haven't gotten the nightlord's weakness by day 2 then look for a merchant's shack they always sell items/weapons that are effective against the nightlord you're currently facing.

what are those? just deco? or can be used for something?

>>712394895
They have a seal and smithing stone in them. Ults from most chars can break them, but I don't think either of the characters who want seals can actually do so.

>>712394895
raider and iron eyes can open them with their ultimate art

>>712394895
anon, those are the same as in base Elden Ring
you can use your ult or have some enemies destroy it and i'll usually have a smith material

>>712393902
best approach they could've taken

>>712376762
>raider
you didn't beat the boss

>play wylder
>this drops
Gg ez

>>712395536
For some reason I end up getting my swordfu quite often. Love this little cumblade like you wouldn't believe.

>>712395536
this is my (Wylder) greatsword! There are no others like it, and it is my baby!

I’m glad this game exists because sometimes I just go back to Elden Ring just to roam around Limgrave and enjoy the feel of the game and this game is just that but with more purpose

>>712347596
Sekiro has a 30 frame parry window, offering a period of invulnerability longer than the fast roll in DS3.

>>712395536
It's GIGA DRILL or nothing

>>712395069
Man, I wish. I'd grind the fuck out of an Elden Ring battle pass if it was as generous as Fortnite's.

>Kill Bell Bearing Hunter
>Drops wands
I'm not even a fucking magic user. The loot system is such bullshit, killing bosses should at least guarantee drops TANGENTIALLY RELATED to the fucking boss!

I wonder what Libra's phase 3 will be like. Clones? Constant madness build up?

>>712397139
For me it's madness camps not dropping madness gear or maps not having the boss' weakness at all.

>>712346003 (OP)
they didnt do different maps for the different night lords.

>>712397237
I wish he loses his composure and becomes a Lord of Frenzy with wild mannerisms. It'd be a nice contrast with the only fight we have against a Lord of Frenzy, which is elegant and paced like ballet, and Libra itself as a beast of balance, tossing all that away and debasing himself into instinct.

>>712346003 (OP)
Strangely not super replayable but the new bosses should fix that.

>>712397317
Chasing madness weapons is a waste of time, I've seen vyke's spear drop one time ever and it was from the madness tower random event.
Also Libra is weak to holy too.

>>712397317
>madness camps not dropping madness gear
That's the neat part, there is none.

>>712397024
>Elden Ring battle pass
God I wish this went full serviceslop
>New bosses and weapons every two to three months
>$10 Battlepass full of emotes and outfits
>Themed seasons with new maps around a gimmick

>>712397237
Goat fucker is so annoying I'd rather fight him in his powered up form instead of when he goes hog wild.

>>712397482
And most important of all, "Elden Ring: Save the World".

>>712397734
>Tfw fighting underwater boss with Raider, Wylder, and Executor

>>712397432
Or maybe he dies while becoming a frenzy lord and then you fight his possessed corpse. His body would be dangling while the frenzy orb drags it along shooting bullshit everywhere and smacking you with his lifeless body.

>>712397734
Guardian with duration shreds it with the jellyfish

>>712397482
>every season has a special event set in a special location in the souls-series: Yharnam, Oolacile, Fountainhead Palace, Forest of Giants during the Giant War, Ringed City, Leyndell, Boletaria's mining operations with all the winding tunnels and that shit
>they come with special outfits, items and emotes, as well as new bosses, enemies and even mechanics (can use grass to heal, everyone gets rally, deflect/counter has more iframes)
>one new Night Boss per season and it's a cracked version of a relevant boss of the season's theme
I'd gladly pay 10 bucks every season for this, fuck...

>>712392943
>20%
>small boost
and in the same breath as "factual" too, how cute

>try playing solo
>get paired with literal drooling retards
>nigras that go off into the horizon as soon as the night starts
>nigras wnating to fight outside the safe zone
>retards that get downed 3 times to the final boss
>if anyone picks any of these 3 chars the run is over before it starts

>>712347596
Parrying is pretty easy actually. Not only do you have 30 frames, it's just one input, which, if you miss-time, will usually just result in a bit of posture damage that you can easily restore by going on the defensive. Couple that with the fact the game gives you multiple lives, and it becomes pretty clear that Sekiro is the most forgiving From game of them all.
Issue is, it compensates for that by having few to no cheese strats. No co-op, no overpowered builds, and no spirit summons. Because of that, normies consider it the hardest one.

>me and 2 other retards die like 5 times to a gaol that we opened on drop
>somehow recover and speed kill half the map including the mountain frost dragon and get to level 15
>even beat the night lord at the end of it
damn i was ready to bounce on death 6

>>712398394
>try playing solo
>plays with people
mission failed.

>>712398246
Yes, 20% more damage is a relatively small boost when people are saying that you LITERALLY CANNOT BEAT THE BOSS without their weakness. Which is bullshit cope. I'm not arguing that they're not useful, I'm arguing against the people that are saying the fights cannot be done without the weakness. Even the largest damage bonus (40%) is not so massive that you can't easily surmount it. You want to know why? Because base Elden Ring has even larger boss weaknesses then that (and larger resistances) but people don't melt down about how it's a shit game for "forcing" you to use the weaknesses and that the bosses are impossible otherwise.

The weaknesses are strong and you should try to target them if you have the chance to, but each boss is perfectly manageable without their weakness.

>>712398527
By solo i meant with randoms.

>>712358974
I love how these faggots still try too hard to shit on the DLC because of that. Faggot tears never get old.

>>712398394
Try people getting downed by normal enemies in camps like 5 times in a row. I thought it was impossible but here we are.

>>712398920
how come these people bought the game? these seem like people who never played a game in their lives and nightreign is like their first experience.

>>712367601
I want a dragon freak warrior and I want it to be a big beefy woman who's tallest in the roster

>>712399065
Because that's how it is, insane I know. You would think you would have at least some experience in older Fromsoft games but nope, not even that. God knows why they would automatically jump to Nightreign of all things.

>>712371115
>>712371219
Spoiler but also really cute.

>>712398394
Skill issue. Recluse carries.

>>712399534
But he is right. Most of the times I let people pick both Revenant and Recluse despite also using them (I'm decent with Duchess and pretty good as Wylder) and they usually end up going alone and dying somewhere.

>>712399065
My cousin bought it because his friend told him to and he has never played a souls game before. He actually managed to beat the dog with two randoms playing as Ironeye where he got a good weapon and had good teammates, with me helping him decide which weapons to pick up.
He's shown interest in Elden Ring before but never bought it because he doesn't like single player games.

no recluse costume of this

>>712399437
sorry

>>712399729
It's fine only because it has both Wylder and Duchess. I like their backstory.

>>712399703
Good. I'd be too busy fucking Recluses to do any prep.

>>712399703
DLC maybe.

>>712346103
Coordinating playing games with 2 friends at the same time is impossible. Also I don't want to.

>>712359229
You are a retard.

>>712398394
I always pick recluse and I always do well and am credit to team.

>>712398394
I’ll give dutchess a pass but the other two are almost always straight doodoo, same with ironeye
Welders and raiders are usually good

it's sO PATHETICALLY BAD IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH MAKING FUN OF

what do you do when your teammates are dead on the ground with 3bar

>>712400426
>ult if that helps them
>clutch out a win
>cry

>>712400426
hit one bar then ult

>>712400426
Pull out your bow and focus one of them while kiting the boss. Or be a MAN and fight the boss solo with no estus

>>712400426
I main Guardian so I just pick em up with my ult

>>712400426
>both of my teammates are dead with 3 bar
>my pitiful recluse swings aren't enough to get them up
>literally only realize just then that recluse's ult doesn't autorevive like some other characters' do when I try it and it fails
>keep getting forced off the bodies by the nightlord and the bars reset
>realize I'm going to throw the fight if I keep trying to res them
>actually manage to finish off the boss by myself (he was at like ~1/4)
>teammates come sprinting up to me over the dunes to celebrate
Felt like a fucking hero.
Magic Glintblade carried me through the fight since it casts so fast and the boss, Gape, just kept charging through me constantly and hit the blades while they were forming. Since then I always try to carry a staff with that spell on it if I find it.
I have found also that if you're lucky enough to get a staff with Stars of Ruin, a charged cast will clear about one bar by itself at 3 bars.

>>712401530
Winner takes it all, and damn what a sweet win that must've been. Moments like these make roguelikes shine for me.

>>712401530
>>712400426
when im at three im usually screaming at my monitor
>NOOOO LEAVE ME IM NOT WORTH IT STOOOOP

Where are these supposed datamined bosses? I see not one search result about this coming up.

>>712400426
JUST SOLO THE FUCKING BOSS JESUS CHRIST HE'S ALMOST DEAD NO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING STOP TRYING TO REVIVE US! FUCK HE'S DOING AN AOE! NO!

>>712351620
>Best souls character which isn't much
Maybe playable, but Oswald and DaS1 Crestfallen are a lot more enjoyable imo

>>712358331
I forgot about this guy. What a legend. Him and the dude who’s after Bayle are the best ER characters

Do characters have a higher chance of getting weapons tailored to them
like if I play as Executer, I get way more katanas or something

>>712395372
Screenshot says "Nightlord Felled" right there anon. Perhaps it is you who is wrong.

>>712397317
it's the boluses that are really important. You can eat like six and be nearly immune to the golden phase madness spam

>>712397734
Just parry the blast, lol. Dog Mode is also great if you end up swarmed by jellies and everyone is dead.

More seriously, you need to focus super hard on damage to nuke it down quickly enough. It hasn't worked super well so far, unfortunately, but just grabbing a bow can at least help you a bit.

>Get the Frenzied Flame tower event while on a Libra expedition
>Team converges and clears it
>An Ironeye takes the Frenzied Flame Seal and drops it cause they don't need it
>So I take it, and Vyke's War Spear too
>The spear builds up insane madness during the Nightlord fight, but the cursed gold cures madness
>Wind up losing cause I thought I could save a 1-bar downed ally and got wrecked, and the team wiped shortly after

>>712404398
Yes, characters have a 'preference' for a certain class of weapons and the game will drop mostly those if possible when you roll orb rewards.

Wylder prefers greatswords.
Guardian prefers halberds.
Ironeye prefers bows.
Duchess prefers daggers.
Raider prefers greataxes, greathammers, and colossal weapons.
Executor prefers katanas.
Revenant has no preference, so weapons of all kinds will drop for her.

>>712346003 (OP)
my past sessions, 167 minutes ive been paired with absolute fucking braindead allies. im so fucking tired of this shit

>>712398642
love watching the tryhard run back in real time. Never said it is impossible, just significantly harder. the existence of weaknesses isn't a problem, it's the resistance to every other type of damage coupled with the giant health pools. I think the biggest problem is just how much harder the nightlords are than the rest of the content, to the point that once you get the pathing down it's damn near impossible to lose before night 3. This ultimately means that the memers are right and the nightlords are basically 40 min runbacks

>>712373350
I've gotten some good randoms, but multiplayer can vastly change as time moves on so who knows what it'll be like later. Presumably more people will know what to do, but there might be less of them.

Got this banger on my final run for winning 3 times in a row achievement. Smashed my controller over my knee

i'm enjoying executioner because i get that dopamine when I deflect but any tips how to play him

>>712377420
>rolling with Iron Eye
>Day 2 boss drops:
>restore fp on crits
>restore fp on consecutive attacks (doesn't work on bows)
>restore fp recovery on guarding
Thanks Ishizaki. Frankly, if every drop had a "couple thousand runes" option, it'd be a lot better.

>>712405020
Your unsheath and sheath are also deflects. Get a relic that boosts his attack when unsheathed so your charged counters actually do respectable damage.

>>712404878
im just going to say this, im SO FUCKING TIRED OF PLAYING REVENANT BUT I CANT GET THE FUCKING CHAPTER 7 BULLSHIT WHAT A SHIT FUCKING CHARATER HOLY FUCK

>pic related drops
>Wylder gets even more fun

>>712395147
Executor too, obviously, since he literally just turns into a giant enemy with structure breaking features. Was fun to figure that out, not that it's exactly complicated, myself.

>>712405236
Fun fact: bows can actually crit in Nightreign. Whips too.

>>712346712
Pointless. The boss fights are fine, its the days before that sucks ass being boring, repetitive, easy and pointless.

>>712405553
Sure, that makes that option not ENTIRELY useless and thus the logical one to take. But it's still insane to be going into the Nightlord with those options on the table. During Day 1 at least you could get some use of out of it, perhaps, but all in all rolls like that shouldn't happen, especially on a Night boss. Having any sort of, even meager, pity option would be nice.

>>712346003 (OP)
>>What went wrong?

>>make game that literally no one asked for
>>people don’t buy the game
How could this happen???

>>712405887
3.5 million players

>Gosmer run
>Raider/Duchess/Recluse
>Duchess gets a Fire Giant whip
>Raider gets a Scarlet Rot greataxe
>Recluse got a Frost Breath talisman and a Rykard's Rancor staff
>First boss is ghost commander, lasted about ten seconds
>Second boss is Tree Sentinel, gets absolutely shredded. His adds last linger than he does.
>Gosmer fight takes less than two minutes, squad has more particle effects than the boss does. Scorpion pretty much only got to attack twice
Haha holy FUCK

>>712405887
>>>people don’t buy the game

>>712405467
had a hunch and tested it out, revenant can get it open with Sebastian. He doesn't attack without enemies being around though, so it takes baiting an enemy over.

>>712406103
Oh interesting. I tried dropping him on one but he didn't aggro onto it, so I didn't think to try with an enemy.
Now, do those have fixed locations or are they randomized? That would be a great source of seals for her.

guardian needs a buff. How come he is forced to eat all the aoe non-phys dmg the bosses spew out for 10 min while other people can safely run and roll through everything?

>>712406457
Because he has a shield and a billion hp.

>>712406232
fixed location I'm pretty sure, the statue I tested is the one that is by the lake formerly known as Agheel lake. I always see it, and there's a Kaiden merc nearby that's easy enough to bait over.

>>712406457
just take the chip damage, he has infinite health already

>>712346070
>it should have been a $15-25 expansion
Why? Because they reused assets? This game is great and no other souls game comes close to the co-op experience
That's worth 40 dollars imo

>>712346501
dude I knowwww
it's like they are aware red has the best shit

>>712348808
>level 7
this was a tactical error as im sure you now realize

>>712381926
they really should have made guardian this

>>712373034
i always thought celtic about him personally

>>712406914
Honestly, unless you luck into a pretty good build, even high level it's probably not worth your time.

>>712406457
go for healing passives/relics or just plop a warming stone down if you are that worried about chip damage.
>>712367601
hoping for a monk that uses dryleaf arts and seals, literally just make a dryleaf dane clone.

>>712407285
There's usually not that many accessible red bosses, so you just gotta deal with what the game gives you when you're cleaning up on day 2

>>712405008
so what I would do is that after winning 2 runs just do a solo run with Wylder on whatever you can easily take down

>>712401530
>Felt like a fucking hero.
you were to them

does the seamless coop mod adjust scaling automatically or based on that config file? im playing duo with my buddy and I think we left it on 3 players setting in case our third joins up

>>712407787
I dunno about the mod, but the game will automatically adjust boss HP when other players disconnect. I think it only applies to night bosses and nightlords, and you don't get the other perks of solo mode if you're dropped to one player.

Why are crossbows so shitty and how can they be fixed?

>>712401530
Ancient Death Rancor is also 10/10 for res. Can take a number of casts without charge and then there's the travel time but it's fast to cast and reliable to not reset bar.

>>712407915
They need a niche, give them no damage falloff or something

>Fell Omen Raid
feels bad that the last one is locked behind chance. ive seen it exactly one time and we didn't finish it because he spawned in when we were level 1 or 2

>>712404924
It's not a run back when you're arguing against something different than what I said. Because I always stated that the weakness helps against the boss but it's 100% doable without it.
>Never said it is impossible, just significantly harder.
Multiple people have said it was, which is what I was initially replying to and arguing against.
>>712378864
>they don't have the boss weakness which is nigh mandatory for night 3.
>It's utter faggotry that bosses are nigh invincible to everything but their weakness.
>>712379731
>yeah you can technically do it, just like faggots do sl1 no hit runs. Doesn't mean it's fun or that anyone but the sweatiest retard begging for twitch donos wants to do that shit.
>>712382321
>Hard disagree. I've had fights where we all go in without the boss weakness and wipe before we even clear half health, and then fights where we all have the weakness and clear it without anybody even going down. It doesn't even feel like the same game when using weaknesses.

And I've had this discussion in other threads because other people were touting the idea that you cannot win without the boss weakness. Which is objectively wrong. 4/8 of the weaknesses are effectively just a small (1/5 or so) damage boost (when the boss might even be weak to other elements), and two of the remaining four bosses are pretty easy even without their weakness. Of the remaining two, both are fucked up by their weakness but it's absolutely not necessary to beat them (and for Libra it's not even the element he's ACTUALLY FUCKING WEAK TO).

Should you try to get their weakness? Yes, of course. Like you should in normal Elden Ring. Is the boss possible without their weakness? Yes, of course, just like in normal Elden Ring. It's not like every motherfucker that beat Elden Ring HAD to use sleep pots on Godskin Duo or simply could not beat Erdtree Avatars without a fire weapon. And those weaknesses are WAY bigger than the Nightlord weaknesses.

how to be good with the recluse?

>>712406062
>only a 150k players
dead game

>>712407915
>>712408181
Personally I think they're much better than bows on characters not named Ironeye.

>>712408301
get a good staff an spam glinstone

>>712406764
$50 for too much of a rehash of a game is a terrible price (its 40 but you need 50 for all the content)
nightreign is a cool game indeed but $50 i can get so many games, high quality roguelites with more quality and lasting power, etc that arent just 60% "same game again" "same bosses again"

Like for that price i got Noita, Isaac Repentance on a sale, Risk of Rain 2 and Balatro. 1 reused-content-up-the-ass for the price of all these roguelites is a bit of a hard sell and also kinda gay from fromsoft. I got the game for free but im still mad about its pricing

>>712408301
Find the good spells, learn how to make do with the bad ones.
Learn your 2x cocktails.
Don't ignore seals.

>>712408563
2x cocktails? and what are some good spells

>>712408287
I've cleared elden ring at least 15 times without ever even considering weaknesses. Whereas in nightreign it feels like a different game without them. Maybe the weaknesses technically aren't as effective as base elden ring but it certainly doesn't feel that way. I'm curious what the raw health numbers are. Gotta be huge. And I suspect that the nightlords are resistant to all other types of damage.

>>712407551
blow it out your ass homo

>>712408301
source holy asap, all those cocktails are bonkers

>>712408301
all the good cocktails are locked behind holy, so don't forget she is good with incantations too, not just magic

However, you will never really get good value out of her unless you have teammates who are willing to run weapons with the elements you want. If you set up everything yourself it just takes so long she is never good.

>>712376687
theres like 5-6 chests which can have good stuff. I play with randoms and no one grabs the chests but i like to check if i need weapons

>>712408246
I had it happen at level 2 as well. Had a hell of a time spacing out his teleport to be just far enough to let me reach a grace and level up without it being deactivated by his presence.
You can pretty much stall him out as long as you want, since he'll stop what he's doing to teleport if you surge sprint away from him.

>>712408301
Learn what your cocktails do and which ones are useful, learn where the special drop locations for staves and seals in forts and churches are, always try to have a spell of every element for cocktails and one elemental melee so you can get off zero fp in an emergency, and learn spell cast times and when it is and isnt safe to cast.
Also look up how to open sorcerer's rises for more free staves. The special drops in forts and churches don't require you to kill the boss, so in a pinch you can just run in, nick some spell tools, and leave.

>>712408301
Two ways, either roll into a good staff with one of the standard broken spells. Failing that, be good with your draw timing and have a decent elemental spread in your group so you can cast whatever cocktail you want.

If you've got access to Holy, magic and fire and your two partners are melee focused. Playing full support and spamming the flame breath that heals them is objectively the best thing you can do.

>>712408606
The 2 element cocktails from the charchter skill.
There's a bunch of good spells
Arc
Shattering Crystal
Slicer
Greatsword/Piercer
Magma Shot
Stars of Ruin
Loretta's
Adula's
Gravity Well
Collapsing Stars
Rancor/Ancient Death Rancor

And that's just the Sorceries you can carry with.

>>712408838
she is good even when you ignore the elemental mixtures as long as you get good staves

>>712408829
it's your fault you lost, don't take it out on me lil bro

>>712409103
how do you avoid running out of juice if you ignore mixtures? game only drops so many starlight shards

>>712409474
Ignore as in not chase them. You just keep feeding your own FP.
If something good comes along, fantastic. Otherwise, whatever.

>>712346003 (OP)
>VS Augur
>Shit is flying away. ranged damage works
>Kill jellyfish, damage works
>Kill polyps, damage works slowly
>Nothing fucking happens in the fight
>Suddenly the floating baloon sleeps on the other side of the universe
>Can't reach it because all characters have the sprint energy of a Skyrim TAS speedrunner spamming Wait after 5 seconds sprinting
>Get put to sleep with no way to resist it
>In the offchance I get it I have no stamina to swing anything at it
>Suddenly die form max hp to zero after enduring the most boring nothingburger ever
>Rematch
>Thing is dying, somehow
>It suddenly drops nukes I guess
>Kill one
>there's another on the other side of the world
>Kill the other one just in time
>There's another on the other side of the world
>Survive after getting OHKO'd from raw skill damage or some bullshit
>Hit the blob 10 times while it's doing the screen wide sleep move or whatever
>It fires off after not losing poise
>Die
was this game even playtested

>>712409562
Learn to Ult dodge them if there's no stopping them.

>>712409026
>>712409017
cool thanks. what exactly does her ult do? just bonus damage to marked enemies?

>>712409562
>Sleep with no way to resist it
Skill issue.
The two characters whose ults don't knock it out of the move have enough resist naturally to not fall asleep.
Build and save your ult for when it does the move to save yourself.

>>712409915
HP/FP damage drain while marked.
Great to restore your own PF or help heal self/allies when they're low on flasks. Or recharge their FP.
There is more damage but it's on a relic.
It does about a bar of res so it's handy in a pinch to finish a res with the invuln.

>Matched with cooperative but low skill Guardian and Ironeye
>We're legitimately doing OK because I'm good at Recluse
>We clear a Ruined Mage Rise
>There's a legendary upstairs
>I get Carian Regal Scepter
>Still can't carry them through Gnoster
>mfw

>>712410114
Regal needs a good 2nd spell, Moon is shit.

>>712409915
Standard is minor AoE damage, HP and FP gain on hit on all enemies for all party members in a fairly decent area around it. Also goes through floors and can aggro things above and below.

Relics can power it up even more giving a substantial damage boost and max HP gain to the recluse in addition.

>>712410179
Moon is fucking insane. You know you become invincible mid cast AND it debuffs the target with a magic resistance reduction?

Imagine thinking the strongest spell in the game is bad lol

its legit too hard for normalfags, the second day is always a disaster because fromsoft expects you to grab like 8 bosses/camps and most people aren't fast enough for that

>>712410241
Costs too much, takes too long. Damage doesn't justify it. Just means you spend longer going through cocktails to keep up the FP for it.

>>712410375
>Costs too much, takes too long
You're invincible and it's a nuke. It's literally strong enough to carry parties.
> Just means you spend longer going through cocktails to keep up the FP for it.
*laughs in starlight shards*

You're bad.

>>712410241
>You know you become invincible mid cast
In Elden Ring, you do. In this you don't.
Unless it's changed in the last few days.

>>712410463
>Unless it's changed in the last few days.
No you just got unlucky. Everything is always the same between the two games in tersm of base functionality.

While you're curled up inside the moon, nothing can hurt you.

>>712410294
Game's an ADHD disaster with the large map, lots of thing to look, random bosses that most players will avoid because they take too long, the fortnite ring and the broken bullshit SNK end bosses. 3.5 millions is entirely on the backs of ER itself. This overpriced DLC might put a dent on future ER games, but I don't know, Dark Souls 2 exists and didn't plummet the series into the ground somehow.

>>712410438
Ancient Death Rancor is still better.
Fast, cheap, endless, holy and you can reliably raise with it.

>>712407915
Dual wield animations and/or a dedicated crossbow character

>>712410613
>Ancient Death Rancor
Yes and? Rennall's Full Moon is a nuke. Ancient Death Rancor is the strongest, highest stat req, most INT+FTH scaling spell in the entire Elden Ring + DLC package.

You're a dumb fucking retard. You know that ADR deals magic damage right? That dropping a full moon first and spamming ADR wilkl be more powerful right?


Bad and rude. You're bad and rude.

>>712410739
>>712410613
And to calrify I still consider ADR to be a "bread and butter" spell. Not a nuke. They're judged seperately. ADR is the best damage to spell to spam or use on trash clearing. Rennala's Full Moon is the best magic spell nuke.

>>712410739
Oh, and ADR can roll on anything.
>Imagine thinking the strongest spell in the game is bad lol
>Ancient Death Rancor is the strongest, highest stat req, most INT+FTH scaling spell in the entire Elden Ring + DLC package.
Stop schizo posting.

>>712410583
i think fromsoft's reputation will recover but they definitely need to put more effort in any multiplayer games they want to do again, its way too repetitive and too difficult for average teammate

>>712408773
>And I suspect that the nightlords are resistant to all other types of damage.
Suspect doesn't mean much. I posted a chart with their weaknesses before. Some of them have NO other weaknesses or resistances, some have a ton of weaknesses, some have a wide spread of resistances.
The answer is that you're going up against a single boss with a lot of prep time so the weakness feels more meaningful because you can't beat your head against the wall over and over. It's objectively lighter than a lot of weaknesses in the original game (because Elden Ring is a game that HEAVILY rewards targeting weaknesses and having that knowledge). But the entire thing hinges on it. You can bet that if you had to fight through all of Farum Azula each attempt on Maliketh you would be heavily considering his FUCKING EIGHTY PERCENT HOLY RESISTANCE, which makes every Nightlord's largest resistances look comparatively light.

>>712410884
>Oh, and ADR can roll on anything.
So can Rennalla's Moon. I got it day one on a dogshit Albinauric Staff once.

>Stop schizo posting.
I'm not. I wasn't clear enough. One is a nuke, the other is BnB. See>>712410882

>arotrias armor is in
>no ciaran for duchess
>no orenstein for executor

>pick crucible man
>sword is shit
>bleed is shit
>parry does no damage
>ult is fucking useless
>can't clear 1 camp solo while others get past camps without issue
no, this game was no balanced at all.

>>712410960
I've just been unlucky never seeing it then.
It's still shit.
>It's literally strong enough to carry parties.
>Still can't carry them through Gnoster
>You're bad and rude.
I was being nice and not pointing out the obvious, schizo.

>>712411198
>I was being nice and not pointing out the obvious, schizo.
Nothing can stop us from having an Ironeye player who tries to babysit the scorpion during a Gnoster fight instead of joining me im bullying Mothra. It carried us through day 2 and night 2. It can't magically make players not completely retarded. It's carried me any time I got it desu.

It's WACKO strong. You suck lol

>>712411154
ironeye or die

>>712411294
I didn't say it's not strong, I said it's shit.
You can't even carry on Gnoster with it. You're a joke.

>>712411391
Insecure retard, shut the fuck up lol. Gnoster has more HP than every Dark Souls boss combined. I can't do enough DPS to take him solo when he's 3 player scaled.

>d/c for some gay reason
>died in the mine which is now in blue
>realize the pain in the ass its gonna be to backtrack for my money
yep by 80k i just alt f4ed

>>712411154
>sword is shit
>>bleed is shit
>>parry does no damage
>>ult is fucking useless
holy skill issue batman

>>712411460
It's fucking Gnoster. It's THE most braindead boss in Nightreign. DPS should be irrelevant.

I can't stop playing this bros. Got the achievements for 3 different bosses in a row yesterday. Now I need to finish a run with Recluse and Executor to get all of them. I never played either so I'm not looking forward to it.

>>712411705
lol you aren't fooling anybody. Gnoster has more complaints than anybody other than maybe Libra.

>>712411754
The majority of people also had trouble with Gladius too. That's not a defence of your own deficiency.

>>712397734
I noticed that killing the babies fires some projectiles at the boss that damages it so maybe that's the intended strat for melee characters
although I have no idea how they're supposed to deal with the atomic bomb without a good bow/magic

>>712411832
Imagine feeling this upset because you got checked on Elden Ring knowledge. RFM is strong as fuck, you're stupid.

Final (You) for (You)

>>712411959
>I didn't say it's not strong, I said it's shit.
Later, 'tardrage.

>>712367601
A parfumer would be really nice I think.

Are there any characters you dread being paired with?
I swear I've never been paired with a good Guardian. Every single one in my experience is ass at the game and barely contributes to fights.

>>712412087
Ironeye. I've met maybe 6 good, skilled, friendly, team oriented Ironeyes. Class is a complete shitter magnet that only attracts the WORST players 99% of the time.

I would rather a fucking Revenant.

>>712411923
you offensive ult to knock him out of it. most boss gimmicks are countered by an ult

>>712412087
Raider
They always put a Stela so nobody can hit anything.
I've watched it literally kill a run as it blocked kill damage and then wiped everybody as they tried to end it around the Stela.

>>712373350
It often fun to play with randoms, but expect alot of fails.
Usually people stay until the end, but recently I ended up with some who left mid game, seeing that we didn't have the best team, well in one of those, the one who was learning was not so bad because we ended up killing the boss.
There's some kino moments, when you have only a few hp left and get the final blow while everyone is down.

>>712408301
keep an eye out for shattering crystal, it's insane
get some relics with vigor
grab items with damage negation at full hp, yeah it's a universal stat but she has the lowest hp so it's more of a priority for you
keep slurping fp and dumping cocktails, who cares what it is

>Didn't give Ironeye a try because /v/ kept bitching about him.
>Try him
>He's actually an incredibly fun and dynamic character and one of the most fun to solo with so long as you buff his hp because fuck me does he feel even more squishy than the mages..
Never listen to /v/.

>>712412172
I feel this with duchess. They run from place to place constantly pinging their current location and never actually finish any of them.

>>712410294
>on one run, get shitters who run around the mountain eating frost aoes from those fucking dragons, losing levels
>on another, get dudes who have half a clue and only focus on the normal dragons and yetis
>get in nightlord with 13 levels and frost+bleed, gg
I tell myself the first dudes were just learning it and hopefully they'll help some other poor bastard in a later run

>>712412272
Duchess is often bad but Duchess is also rare. Skilled Duchess is absolutely S tier and a huge credit to team but yes. I have met even less good Duchesses than good Ironeyes. Luckily I am a good Duchess soooooo...

>>712412182
I'm talking about the hiroshima bombing run, how is anyone but ironeye reaching that high up?

>>712412234
>Usually people stay until the end, but recently I ended up with some who left mid game
I had a Recluse earlier who left immediately after clearing the first camp because I grabbed (admittedly all) 3 weapons that had Increased Incant damage while playing Revenant.
Bitch you've got arc and pebble, you're good for a bit and I know that.

any good ways to get the volcano shifting earth? its the only thing I havent done besides finishing the nightlord off with everyone

>>712412341
honestly being a good duchess is just not spamming your skill and actually using it for every burst opportunity, i.e. your teammates ult or a status gets procced. i see so many that just spam it and miss said opportunies

>>712411154
>ult is fucking useless
literally, get good
>heals and stuns on activation
>mobility
>huge attacks to get up both of the idiots who got themselves killed
>on any boss with adds, especially Augur, will shrek them
Every ult has good utility in almost every situation, it's all about learning where it'll be the most useful

>>712412087
>guardians never do any damage
>recluses and iron eyes panic and go down when an enemy gets in melee range
besides raider putting his tome in stupid spots I don't have any problems with anyone else

>>712412281
cool but why you wasting a whole ult just to save ytourself 1 second?

>>712412448
make a new profile and kill gladius

>>712412172
>>712412272
I haven't had particularly terrible experiences with either, despite their reputations. Ironeye is kind of braindead though so it's hard to fuck up playing him and Duchess players are actually pretty decent, I don't get it because I really don't like playing her.

>>712412219
I've had a good number of bad raiders. A good raider is fun to play with though as long as they aren't placing their ults too obnoxiously. I think the only other class I don't really care to see is Executor, he goes under the radar but I swear he's a massive magnet for bad players.

>>712412496
aura farming

>>712412281
seems like kind of a waste, but still cool

>>712412469
How many are spam and how many are dagger chained?
The chain can feel like bait sometimes.

>>712412469
It's a really high skill ceiling trying to get lots of restages to simply keep the 50% dmg buff going but also keep it ready for big bursts.

Mastering dodge offset is key.

>>712412529
>are actually pretty decent
You might not understand her then. Duchess has OP dodges so she is reliable in many cases but I promise you, you haven't been seeing duchess who players as a proper spellblade AND restages well AND knows which bosses get fucked over by her ult bigtime.

Duchess is as strong as recluse but she trades the FP regen and top end casterdmg for slightly lesser spellcasting but incredibly strong dodges and powerful dex weapon game.

They need to add a better method of sorting relics, preferably by effect category. The current system is genuinely awful to dig through.

>>712412341
Well I main ironeye and I am team oriented. I give away half my drops and rarely go down. My favorite moments are when I'm the only one up with both mates at three bars and I get to kite around plinking arrows into their asses.
>>712412369
I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure you can just block it. The real trouble is when he drops two...

>>712412614
nah the big giveaway is when i proc a status and they dont followup. for some reason i see a lot of duchess' that only use it for their burst only

>>712412505
damn thats a good idea but why the fuck is it so rare anyway

>>712412448
btw its not THE nightlord, its A nightlord

>>712412654
>you haven't been seeing duchess who players as a proper spellblade AND restages well AND knows which bosses get fucked over by her ult bigtime.
I wouldn't claim I have, but my win rate with Duchess allies tends to be alright so I certainly don't mind seeing her.

>Duchess has OP dodges
That's the one thing I do know, saved my run during my first Caligo fight.

>>712412846
>I wouldn't claim I have, but my win rate with Duchess allies tends to be alright so I certainly don't mind seeing her.
Fair.
>That's the one thing I do know, saved my run during my first Caligo fight.
They're absurd. One time I upgraded them twice and could just panic spam dodge and be untouchable lol

>>712412219
I've got 70 hours and have seen raider twice.
>>712412529
Executor is either shit or godly with no in between. My first fight against the centaur I didn't even contribute. Me and a teammate dropped immediately and the executor just solo'd.

>>712412821
damn the achievement says the so I assumed it was heolster, either way I only did it with about half the cast so far so its no big deal

>>712412924
They're so fucking stamina cheap too, it's nuts.

>>712348808
Leave him in his rape cave/swamp

are guard counters really that good on bird or is it birdfag copium

>>712351620
Millicent is best

>>712413279
It's one of the few things the character can do better than other characters. It's fine depending on the boss and the birdfag's stamina management. It's pretty shit against most night lords though because they all move around and spaz out too much.

>>712413279
unironically, it should be the only attack you do.

two games in a row where i matched into a premade duo with themed names who ran off to the opposite edges of the map for the entire game

>>712407915

I liked how Lords of the Fallen (2) did crossbows, felt satisfying and punchy but ranged weapons are more important in general in that game.

>>712408832
>>712408838
These anons know what's up. Holy is the base for the best cocktails.
>Holy + Magic = 7 seconds of infinite FP, makes fantastic spells spammable
>Holy + Magic + Fire = Healing flamethrower
>Holy + Magic + Lightning = Invincible ice storm
>Holy + Fire + Lightning = Big nuke white lightning strike that does good regular and absurd stagger damage.
Prioritize Holy of some sort first.

>>712405251

Oh neat, I didn't know you get a deflect on unshealth. That changes things a lot.
Too bad I don't have any good relics for him yet.

>>712413279
Guard counters in general are really good, and bird is the one who has the poise+guard block to do it reliably

>>712410241
You're also forgetting that Moon spells will cancel other spells that they fire into.

>>712407915
Try using them as intended (offhand option to pair with a main hand weapon you can use to throw in damage when you're too far away to smack the opponent).

>>712413741
>>712408838
Yes and no.

You really don't need your allies. You can set up your own shit and when you can't you still have the literal best DPS in the game. Just munch those starlight shards and drop bombs. But yes, Holy Cocktails are very good.

What could the devs even add that would make DLC feel worth paying for?
>Adding a best of selection of DaS trilogy weapons and spells, including adding Dark damage back to the game.

>Try augur again with the wraith calling bell
>Lol
>Lmao
Thing died without me breaking a sweat. both night bosses did too
>gaping dragon
>lol
>fallingstar beast
>dodge charges, ring ring for 600 damage at premium FP discount, dodge once, ring again for 600 damage and keep ringing the bell on its ears if it does the laser
I don't even need to upgrade or drop useful weapons with this thing holy shit just ring the bell ring the bell ring ring ring and it tracks all the way to the moon with slightly less damage than a purple glintstone staff for a fraction of the MP there's no reason to even care about magic with that shit
that fucking bell renders recluse pointless
>cocktail + bell + cocktail
>high faith
I guess, but bell on duchess is great and she can do shit

the main advantage this game has against staves is that they have the range of a shotgun, but this thing tracks all the way to the goddamn moon if it wants to, the slow movement lets it reposition itself to avoid missing the naruto bosses mostly.

I don't even know the real name of he augur jellyfish lol

I'm new, can someone give me a run down what I should be looking for in every run? So far I've just been following what other people ping and it usually works out but sometimes they just don't seem to know where to go next. It happens pretty fast so I haven't had a chance to really look at the map.

About to play Recluse for the first time to get the achievement. Any tips? I read above that Holy residues are based... so I get something that casts incantations asap? And then some glintstaff in the other hand so I can alternate using them and harvest?

>>712414027
That white lightning strike has been run-saving for me against Libra, if he goes into his buff ritual I drop it on his ass and it'll break the shield all on its own.

>>712414159
Bell is fine. I've seen youtubers jerk themselves off over it but in reality most characters should outdamage it by late run (aside from Revenant and Guardian kek). What really makes it crazy is how good it is in early game, and ironically despite your Recluse comment she's one of the biggest beneficiaries thanks to the skill synergy.

>>712414240
day 1 do all low-level bosses
day 2 do all high-level bosses & maybe hit up a mine or merchant if your gear still sucks by this point
shrimple as that

you can clear out the castle on day 1 but that might lead to a wipe if you get HIM

>>712414240
Early game go for flasks, camps, churches, and at least 1 mine for smith stone 2.
You should transition to large castle, event areas and world bosses by day 2.

>>712414482
you're right, but late game the bell is very safe to play with and gives consistent damage. good damage per fp and stamina which lets you read and dodge enemies better. thing is amazing solo, especially on recluse. another irony is that it makes her cocktail skill garbage because she needs to stop ringing the bell to cast some pointless spell so she can continue leeching fp.

also who's jerking that bell off? that thing carries its weight but the usual unga bunga gank squad x3 should trounce bosses faster in normal runs.

>>712414274
Don't be afraid to grab weapons to fulfill your elemental requirements, any elemental damage works for your skill.
Multi-hit spells give you larger returns on your ult.
Lightning damage is really good too if you can find it, try to hit churches for seals if you can since those will generally give you better elemental coverage.

>>712414478
Oooh good to know. I love the bloodhound step buff against Fulghor, easy to stack, clutch vs his moveset too.

>>712414240
On day 1 you should hit up camps to look for good weapons, staves, and seals. If the boss is weak to say lightning, look for lightning weapons. After you find one you like, aim to upgrade it. All merchants sell level 1 smithing stones, and you can find level 2s from mine elites/bosses or the township setpiece merchant. If you find a stonesword key open an Evergaol. Hit up churches and mage's rises along the way. AVOID FIELD BOSSES unless the boss is relatively easy and the team really knows what they're doing. Same with the center castle.

After you find a weapon you like, fill out the rest of your slots with either a backup in case something resists your primary, or weapons that have good passives that help your playstyle. If a passive has a hand icon on it that means the passive will only activate when it's actually in your hands, but you can twohand your primary and still get the effect of a held secondary.

On day 2 you'll want to hunt bigger game. Aim for wandering field bosses, the center castle, and if there's a shifting earth then do that. Complete any events as they happen, and if you get a weapon dropped that's better than anything you currently have feel free to swap it out. This is also the time to aim for the center castle if there's nothing else to do.

If you find a weapon or talisman that an ally can use more than you go ahead and take it to them, drop it, and ping it. People tend to appreciate gifts their class can use. If you die, make sure to run through a grace, which resets the down meter back to 1 bar. Otherwise you're gonna head back in, feed the boss, and be useless with your 3-bar down.

>>712414274
>tips
- Your FP is essentially endless but never go below 25% unless you're about to eat starlight or hit a grace.
- Seals are just as important as Staves but you should always have a single pocket melee weapon even just for revives but you should consider getting a desirable affinity
- Charge your spells
- Your Ult is a 10% dmg res debuff for enemies
- INT+FAI shit is your truest niche, Ancient Death Rancor, Rykard's Rancor and Explosive Ghostflame are crazy strong with S/S Int/Fai
- KILL TRASH MOBS. You can oneshot lots of them easily.
- Watch this and open Mage Rises as often as possible, even if the party runs away, you can catch up and these spots can make or break runs with great caster loot and guaranteed starlight shards https://youtu.be/NeLXyesTvzo?si=vKMyfk-GccmeIHrh

>>712414741
All merchants will sell one weapon of every element, so don't be afraid to buy weapons or the elements you're missing until you get something better. Having those elements available at all is more important than having good weapons with those elements.