Is it the best RPG ever made?

Depends on what you specifically as a person is looking for from a RPG.

Depends, do you think that an RPG is good if it has a lot of dialogue options that don't matter except for your own interpretation of the character?

>>712369915 (OP)
Probably not overall. But it does certain things really, really well is an all-timer on that basis.

>>712370080
Boring cop-out answer

>>712369915 (OP)
No, its BG3

Chris Avellone thinks Fallout 1 is better.

>>712369915 (OP)
>cant make your own character
>cant make story choices
It's not an rpg.

>>712370452
The only RPG is Saints Row 3

>>712370452
You didn't play the game
the entire point of the game is that your character isn't a character but a blank slate
also >cant make story choices
retard
>>712370292
never played it but it looks god awful

>>712369915 (OP)
nolol
it has cool aesthetics and lore but it's awful 2e infinity engine with the worst encounter design out there. writing is verbose to a fault and mort is annoying redditman. at least the respawning mechanic is cool
if you want an unfun crpg with awesome story and philosophy, you're better off playing ultima 4

The infinity Engine was shit and everything made with it is nearly unplayable.

>>712370924
>ultima 4
>unfun

>>712369915 (OP)
No but it is one of the best written. And not in a "omg it's so deep what is the nature of a man?" way but in that it has a shit ton of dialogue but it all flows very naturally and is interesting and purposeful without being longwinded or overly wordy or losing the plot entirely which are the downfalls of practically every other western RPG that tries to do the same thing. It's the same reason why so many people consider Disco Elysium to be so well-written even though the writing between the two are so different.

>>712370192
>do you think that an RPG is good if it has a lot of dialogue options that don't matter
we need to stop this bullshit narrative that all choices need to have some sort of effect on the game. as long as i get to see an entirely new scene playout for my decisions, im ok. it doesn't need to fit a grander scale later on for me.

>>712369915 (OP)
Overall probably not but when it comes to plot, worldbuilding and writing then it is.

>>712372731
>without being longwinded or overly wordy or losing the plot entirely

>>712369915 (OP)
No. I've never really understood that perspective. I replayed it and BG 1&2 recently and their writing is just about as good, but with far better gameplay.

>>712372874
Yes. Compare the writing in Planescape or DE to something like Pillars.

>>712369915 (OP)
It is a glorified visual novel but it has some of the best story/writing ever put in a vidya. I thought it was just boomers nostalgia fagging but it is the real deal.

>>712369915 (OP)
Probably BG3

>>712369915 (OP)
it's part of the meme 3x3 so yeah probably

>>712372731
Both pale in comparison to Expedition 33, the Ulysses of video games

>>712370413
I can see why he thinks that. The story is a lot tighter, neater and shorter. I disagree with him though.

>>712369915 (OP)
Planescape is an amazing setting.
I play 2e Planescape with an AI DM and other than having to constantly brief the AI at the start of every session it's really good.

>>712369915 (OP)
it has more in common with an adventure game than an rpg

this game is peak midwit bait. they think it's impressive because it has a lot of words but they can't process that the words aren't actually saying anything. the whole "belief can change everything" thing that everyone jacks off over is the kind of thing stoners think is deep when they're high. "dude what if everyone believed a building was in a different place and that made it move for real 420blazeit."

>>712377012
133 - 145 IQ here
You're wrong.

>>712369915 (OP)
No. It kind of sucks as an RPG in some ways. It just has a fantastic story and great aesthetics, which make up for a lot of the issues with it.

>>712370413
Avellone hates everything he's ever made for some reason

>>712370292
>Boring cop-out answer
"Isn't a simple answer, therefore not correct."

That's a sad reaction from you, man.

>>712377012
You're half correct. Midwits do love this game because of all the big words they can't process, but people who can process the words also like this game, because it's good and well-written. The bell curve doesn't always map to opinions, as it turns out.

>>712369915 (OP)
Honestly, we have so much variety of genre that people can crave a multitude of different things while craving for an RPG. I can't say what's the best, but Star Wars: KOTOR is one of my favorite video game experiences of all time especially in terms of fleshing out the Star Wars universe in an incredibly early setting and exploring the philosophies of the Jedi and Sith.

>>712369915 (OP)
Arcanum is better but Torment has a cooler world. The Planes are awesome

>>712369915 (OP)
Online discourse distorted how I thought Planescape would be like, I thought I was in for le deep monologues and pseud shit but all the dialogue (of which there is a lot) flows really well and the world is zany and interesting

>>712378861
it's not well written. none of the themes are well developed beyond the mentioned dudeweed one. the mystery aspect of the story was terribly handled. the "twist" was final fantasy 8 tier stupid.

>>712372731
This is what impresses me the most about the writing in planescape torment, especially since it had no text editors. Really incredible feat by avellone, doubly impressive when you consider he was drunk for half of the writing.

>>712372731

Disco Elysium and Planescape both suck at this thoughbeit

They are written in a purely theatrical style

Still nothing close to the quality of a decent novel

>>712369915 (OP)
>Best Roleplaying GAME ever made
>Has shitty game design

Hmmm

>>712372731
I love how everyone unequivically agrees that its the best written game of all time, yet i have never seen anyone discuss its writing, its themes or talk about its characters.
Not a single youtube essay that is well made either, not a single thought provoking and well written review that is clear and straight to the point, instead they are all gibberish talk.


I even do this myself, i always pretend its the best written game ever, i write on internet forums and on Reddit that i think its well written because that way people shut up and listen to what i have to say about other games stories, but in reality and i admit this, i quite the game after 4 hours, its just boring and the gameplay is downright shit. lol

>>712380243
So what games would you recommend instead?

>>712377337
what's your salary?

>>712380575
Anything made by Troika (including Fallout 1 and yes, also including Temple Of Elemental Evil, which is definitely a lot worse in story/conversation but it makes up for it by being one of the funniest games ever).
Keep an eye on that new Clockwork Revolution too which is being helmed by Jason Anderson and Chad Moore. It might end up like The Outer Worlds (aka rubbish) but I'm holding out hope because they're better designers than Tim and Leonard.

>>712369915 (OP)
It has a great story and a great world with cool lore, but as an actual game it isn't that good at being an RPG. Other RPGs mog it in having choices and letting you play how you want.

>>712380539
essays are typically done to convince people that an underrated game is good or something similar. planescape is an lmost 3 decade old game that's held in very high regard. it doesn't have anything to prove, nor is there any point in bringing more sand to the beach

>>712380739
>Clockwork Revolution too which is being helmed by Jason Anderson and Chad Moore
didn't know that. That makes me optimistic
>they're better designers than Tim and Leonard
Tim seems to be more tech-focused and Leonard more on the artistic side. Shame that they couldn't all work together

>>712381798
The problem is that Tim Cain is a poor writer and his design prowess was upstaged at Obsidian by the younger people working under him who had no idea how to write engaging and thought provoking quest scenarios. So all that's left is his engine skill, something he didn't do while working on TOW because he was doing design and story.
At least TOW has a kind of interesting artstyle, it looks like Bloodlines NPCs got plopped into a golden scifi pulp serial. Leonard wasn't really the problem for Worlds.

>>712380539
I post about it all the time explaining why it's shit, but everyone just falls back on "2deep4u."

Updated my journal.

>>712369915 (OP)
Planescape excels in storytelling, worldbuilding and characters, but the combat and dungeon crawling are a bit too basic. I would definitely put it up there with the greats though

>>712369915 (OP)
Yes.

TNO's conversation with Ravel is one of the most kino moments in all video games.

>>712380698
Under what it should be but 100% wfh and enough to let me retire at 50.

I have tried getting into this game several times but I can't. I don't know what everyone is talking about when they say this game has a cool world. To me the world just comes across as grey, gross and boring. Almost every single box of dialogue is a description about blood, puss, corpses, dead people, graves, zombies, rats, and how NPCs have rashes and scars and pustules on their face. I have played for several hours and its mostly just running from one grey area to another. What the fuck is everyone talking about when they say this game has such a good world? Is it a case where it gets good 20 hours in, or something? I was surprised at just how unappealing it was.

>>712390106
It's not a generic fantasy world which automatically makes it cool. Besides, it's a game about death and not being able to die, it's very thematical that it'd make you wanna kill yourself.

>>712369915 (OP)
It's one of them. It's a very interesting experience, but there are other games which do certain things better. Then again that was always true, because IWD and BG have existed almost as long.

>>712369915 (OP)
>soulless western rpg crap
only japan should be allowed to make rpgs

>>712391907
This game feels like a jrpg. I don't know exactly how to explain why.

>>712369915 (OP)
nope

>>712392269
Who the fuck made this image? Xenoblade 2's combat is so fucking braindead easy. Why is that the point of comparison and not something like an SMT game or something?

>>712392650
SMT's combat is easier, it's barely a step above "aim for elemental weakness and keep buffs/debuffs up" due to the nature of how press turn works

>>712392738
>every SMT game has the press turn system

>>712392650
>Who made this image
A troll

>>712392793
all the ones that matter do unless you're counting spin offs like devil survivor

>>712392878
>zoomerfag so young he doesn't know about 1 and 2

>>712393165
smt1/2 do not matter, log off boomer

>>712393415
>th-they don't matter!!!
Concession accepted dumb faggot.

>>712393498
log off boomer

Does TNO reincarnate into a different personality whenever he dies in lore and you don't when you die ingame because of game mechanics or does he have cycles where after a certain amount of deaths, his personality and memories reset?

it's more of an adventure game than RPG. wish there more games like it.

>>712370292
>BG3
Actual most overrated game ever

What other games besides Planescape give you a truly bizarre and alien world to explore? Some examples I know of are Oddworld and the Ring 1998 game

>>712393825
Not exactly this, but he kinda had a "maximum" of memory wipes before becoming resilient enough for his memory to persist between deaths

It just was a very large number

>>712390106
Planescape is very much a "love it/hate it" setting. I think the 2nd edition tabletop stuff flopped.

>>712369915 (OP)
Game could really use a remake. Don't even need to fix the combat just improve the graphics to show more of the world and develop the songs into a full soundtrack

>>712394958
No it doesn't. They'd put every character into a fucking burqa in the name of the almighty lord Equality.

>>712393825
The other anon saying that the current reincarnation is special might be true, but I always assumed there was a limit how long a single reincarnation could go on and that was a part of the nature of his immortality.

>>712369915 (OP)
I get a floating skull for a friend and I can hire a hooker to polish him.
At the very least, it's got some charm to it.

>>712394260
I thought Sigil didn't have a sky, being the inside of a torus and all.

>>712395080
Those are the shadows that hunt him on behalf of his mortality

>>712390106
It's not your typical setting with pretty forest elves, mountain dwarves, and dimwitted ogres and orbs that are the bad guys, not that there is anything wrong with those.
Going into a bar called "smoldering corpse bar" and finding a literal flaming person in there that you can recruit is much more unique and out there so it stands out. TNO visually is also not typical for your average rpg where the avatar or main character tends to be a standard handsome guy.

>>712394260
I've heard people refer to borrowing as "alien".

>>712395559
It's a really big torus so the atmosphere in between obscures the "ceiling"

Or the lady wills it, idk

>>712395917
There's no horizon to speak of though. You should either be able to see the other side OR it should be obscured by a gray smog. A yellow sky with clouds doesn't make sense.

>>712396117
Atmosphere is opaque at large enough distances due to Raleigh scattering

>>712394260
sovl..

>>712396569
Yeah but Sigil's smaller diameter isn't big enough for that.

>>712396605
How big is it?

>>712396117
>>712396569
>>712396605
>>712396716
Shut up before the Lady decides to show up.

>>712396605

>>712396716
5 miles according to In the Cage: A Guide to Sigil (2e book)

>>712396716
Infinite actually

>>712394958
kys yourself remakeslopper

>>712396750
These niggas >>712394260 don't seem too bothered by her

>>712396825
Non euclidean geometry it is then.

It's one of the best, but is held back by some things. I don't find much replay value in the game. Yeah, you can make your TNG one of three archetypes, but there's a universally agreed upon optimal build, which discourages experimentation. I'll bet there many people who played this three times and always picked the same "high wisdom wizard who gets the most dialogue options."

You can make moral choices but these don't -- as far as I remember -- open alternative locations or even change the sequence of progression. Good TNG and Bad TNG will go through the same content checklist in the first gated hub, then to do Pharod's thing, then move to the upper city (or whatever it's called) to do another checklist, because that's the only option. You don't get to choose your next hub like in KOTOR, so it gets a bit stale on subsequent playthroughs.

Also, those fucking bandits in the streets who have infinite respawns and run away from you when they get to low health, waste a lot of time and underline the game's poor pathing AI. The dungeons also present problems for the pathing, possibly even worse than in Baldur's Gate 1.

>>712397103
She's behind them so they haven't noticed her yet.

>>712394260
>>712397103
>PicturesTakenMomentsBeforeDisaster.jpg

>>712397210
Yeah the Lady wills it or something.

>>712397291
>She's right behind me, isn't she?

disco elysium is better honestly. PT is really held back by its retarded DnD setting and aesthetic, in my opinion

>>712394260
>>712396750
>>712397103
>>712397335
FUCK the Lady of Pain, she

>>712397490
I think DnD has good world-building, and Planescape and Forgotten Realms are good settings.

>>712397490
Planescape at least had the decency of introducing proper in-universe philosophy instead of renaming Nazis, Commies, Capitalists and Globohomos and calling it a day

>>712397605
...she what, anon?

>>712397490
Better writing in what sense? Because there's a lot that goes into a story, and then on top of that we're talking about plot progression designed for a video game and so choice & consequence factor into the equation. DE is terrible in many ways.

>>712397746
I liked FR when I played BG as a teen, because it throws in everything and the kitchen sink from fantasy, mythology, and sword and sorcery. You've also got Lovecraftian squidmen, and Beholders, which I think are an original invention for D&D (correct me if I'm wrong). It offers good for variety a videogame. I never read the paperback novels about Drizzt or whatever, so I can't comment there.

>>712397235
wizard is shit. fighter who starts with 18 wisdom is so much better it's not even close. the fact that everyone thinks wizard is the way to go is just proof that fans of this game are all retarded sheep.

>>712398414
>I never read the paperback novels about Drizzt or whatever
Good. They're all slop.
>You've also got Lovecraftian squidmen, and Beholders
They're original to DnD.

Actually the only reason I think I like FR is also because of the BG series as well. Otherwise its tales are quite dumb. Like the supposed God of Justice (Tyr) killing another god (Helm) like a petulant child for stealing his girl.

>>712397235
I've played through it twice, and yeah I've fallen into the wizard trap. I played a thief game pretty far too, but I really didn't get all that many interesting extra choices from dexterity compared to what you get from high int/wis/cha. And yes you can probably get enough levels to max all of them before you really need them anyway, but that's basically just a wizard with less spells. You could get away with some stealth/neck snapping shenanigans but that's not especially interesting. The best parts were probably the extra interactions with Annah.

Then again, I don't think it really makes the story worse, you can reread the same book multiple times.

it's like roleplaying that you are reading a book

>>712398771
kek

>>712398414
I read one of the drizzt novels and it was not bad. They killed demons and got magic items and shit. It's not muh high literature but it's fun if you just wanna read some D&D action.

>>712398921
That's a pretty good description. It's not any worse than watching anime. But it's not any better than watching anime.

>>712369915 (OP)
>Arcanum
>Age of Decadence
>Fallout 2

>>712402396
Fallout 2 is a direct downgrade from Fallout 1

>>712403409
No, it was not

>>712379514
the themes are very well developed, and the mystery aspect of the story is wonderfully handled.

>>712385045
Is this game your white whale? I've noticed several other people online that get obsessed with hating a work of fiction that others like, convinced that everyone who likes it must be a moron, and the "you didn't get it" accusation seems to drive them crazy.

>>712403594
>the mystery aspect of the story is wonderfully handled
The nature of TNO's identity is what cemented the game as great for me. To put it simply, it's a game where you play as a bad person, but you don't know it because he doesn't know it...because of decisions he made necessitated by how bad of a person he is.
The way this is uncovered bit by bit, as you get to know your party members and discover most of them are in fear of you if not outright enthralled in some fashion, is so shocking and well executed.

And of course all this is fed into by and feeds into the story's themes of human nature, which all together fit hand in glove with the setting of Planescape where beliefs define reality.

>>712404363
And if you compare that to Harry in DE...jesus fucking christ. There is no subtly in any part of that story, not in the plot, characters, world, or moment to moment dialogue. Every decision they could have made that would have made the narrative and its protagonist nuanced and fascinating, they backed away from - like the part where Harry might have had ties to organized crime that is never elaborated upon.
It's a midwit magnet.
>HURR I CRASHED MY CAR WHEN I WAS DRUNK DURR I CALLED KIM A SLANT EYES AREN'T I A TRAGIC DECONSTRUCTION OF FRAGILE MASCULINITY!? PLEASE CALL ME BASED

>>712403594
they aren't and it isn't.

one of the biggest problems with the game's writing is that it doesn't understand its own themes enough to say anything intelligent about them, and when it does it's in the context of the stupid game setting. the most interesting theme of the game is nature vs nurture, specifically in the context of memory. is the nameless one's nature based on some inherent value, or does it stem from his learned experiences? if he loses his memories of those experiences can he come back with a different nature? when he wakes up in the mortuary and has to decide whether or not to choke a bitch where is that coming from? the game barely recognizes that it's even asking these questions and instead decides to focus on the idea of belief, only it's not belief like ideology that can be learned and forgotten, but as a magical force that makes trees grow and shit. you also have the concept of torment, which is even the game's subtitle. the nameless one is being tormented by a past he can't remember, and in the end gets sent to super hell as punishment. is it fair in a moral sense to punish someone for a crime he can't remember committing? the game makes no comment either way.

the mystery narrative is also completely awful. basically at no point is the player able to piece together anything from clues that were provided. at every point the story is advanced by an npc that just dumps exposition on you. at one point there is even a complete deus ex machina character that shows up just to tell you where to go next.

>>712405290
there we go. was explaining yourself so bad? I'll bet it feels good to get that off your chest.

>>712405496
I explain this every thread but fanboys never have an answer

>>712369915 (OP)
Nah, it got mogged hard by Fallout 1. But I think Fallout 1 and PT perfectly showcase the current dichotomy of the modern CRPG. You either get something extremely open ended like Fallout 1 where you have plenty of role playing freedom and the ability to tackle most objectives in a non-linear order. Or you get some linear, borderline VN-like CRPG, with a act-based system that focuses more on structuring the story like a JRPG than allowing the player to play a actual RPG.

>>712393825
That was explained in Paranoid's journal. He found someone who managed to fix the memory loss permanently but it didn't apply to the current incarnation so he still "died".

It's mediocre at best, but it had a lot of choices

>>712405290
>the mystery narrative is also completely awful. basically at no point is the player able to piece together anything from clues that were provided.
i was able to.
it sounds like you just didnt get it

>>712405969
Gosh, if you've explained it so much, I would have thought you would have something ready to copy paste in, rather than mere assertions.

>>712406367
>Kim, the shot definitely came from this far away island!
>We'll do nothing with this information because the tribunal has to happen first!

>>712380539
>yet i have never seen anyone discuss its writing, its themes or talk about its characters.
This. Every time someone praises a game, they never explain why. It's as if people just parrot what other people say for some reason.

>>712405290
>when it does it's in the context of the stupid game setting
Yeah it takes place in Planescape, not Earth.
>the game barely recognizes that it's even asking these questions
It answers them definitively as yes because the player doesn't know his past and chooses whatever seems right to them in the moment. It's more so about redemption and atonement though, and the game mechanically encourages you to achieve this because if you play selfishly and learn the truth you want to do it over again and make things right.
>is it fair in a moral sense to punish someone for a crime he can't remember committing?
Obviously yes, but consequences have nothing to do with morality. It's not Christianity where you can be the worst person in the world then repent on your deathbed and be forgiven. But what you can do is do whatever you can to make things right and face up to the inevitable consequences of your actions. Live virtuously, come to peace with your past, make good in small ways.

>>712372731
So what is the story about? Who are these characters? What themes does it explore with the narrative? Has it been explored before in other works of fiction? Why does this game do that most games fail to achieve?

>>712406837
>I'm just going to ask questions forever instead of forming then asserting an opinion
Maybe this is why you find it so hard to understand stories

>>712407137
>Maybe this is why you find it so hard to understand stories
The point I'm making is that people mindlessly praise this game without explaining why its great. But I'm glad some anons in this thread actually played the game and have no trouble explaining to everyone what they thought about the story and its themes.

>>712372731
>And not in a "omg it's so deep what is the nature of a man?
It's "what can change the nature of a man?", and it's a question that has stuck with me since playing the game. Surely we've all noticed in our daily lives that people rarely change, even when it would be beneficial for themselves or others, and no one seems to have the recipe for encouraging them to do so.
I don't even particularly like the game's answers to that question, but I think fiction is better at raising questions and getting the reader thinking than it is at providing answers.

>>712407362
The onus is on you to find answers. The game is decades old; asserting that no one has ever explained why it's good is retarded. You'd get more traction if you were able to provide answers why it isn't good with as much detail as you seem to expect others to provide for no other reason than the edification of your retarded self - only for the next swine in a week or a year to demand pearls be cast before him once again to nobody's ultimate benefit.
Read a fucking book.

>>712407402
>Surely we've all noticed in our daily lives that people rarely change, even when it would be beneficial for themselves or others,
That's probably because they are either lazy, complacent and unaware that something is wrong with them

>and no one seems to have the recipe for encouraging them to do so.
Why waste your time and energy on someone who is unwilling to change for the better? It's pointless, because people need to come to that realization themselves. They need to wake up and they need to act on it.

>>712407628
>The onus is on you to find answers.
I agree. I think it is important for one to read/experience books for themselves because they can learn more about themselves, learn to articulate their points and most importantly, provide their interpretation on what they read and discuss that with other people.

But that isn't my point. Mindlessly spouting "ITS SO GREAT" without explaining why is fucking stupid. Don't expect people to follow along without providing a good reason.

>only for the next swine in a week or a year to demand pearls be cast before him once again to nobody's ultimate benefit.
Then shut the fuck up about it?

>>712379518
>doubly impressive when you consider he was drunk for half of the writing.
The protagonist waking up from being dead and having to piece together his past actions nicely mirrors the experience that follows getting blackout drunk.

>>712408225
>Don't expect people to follow along without providing a good reason.
Everyone else is already "following along". You're the anomaly, and you're bitching about people not wasting their time to write an essay for you despite the fact that you obviously have no intention of ever changing your mind.

>>712395559
What if I pierced Sigil and turned it inside out?

>>712408931
>you obviously have no intention of ever changing your mind.
I'm always open to trying new things. I never had a problem with planescape torment. In fact I have it. Its mindless praise I hate the most. That's it. You don't need to write a gigantic essay to convince me. But on the other hand, why not? It will be interesting to hear anon's interpretation of the story. After all, this is a board talking about videogames, right?

>>712369915 (OP)
no, it's this

>>712394260
Sacrifice
Not much exploration since it's an RTS, but the landscapes and unit designs are otherworldly for sure
And there is a pretty decent story with a choose your own adventure narrative that adds a lot of replayability

>>712409841
Dogshit gameplay.

>>712409912
Are there any other games with similar gameplay? I've wanted one for a while, and I'm surprised that nobody has made it.

>>712372731
that githerzai nigger is such a faggot, avellone made him just to sniff his own farts

>>712410228
Giants: Citizen Kabuto comes to mind, but you don't get to control an army there
Still worth checking out, I think it was made partially by the same devs, and it's also the funniest game I've ever played
There's also Space Rangers 2, but the Action RTS side is a sideshow and a bit awkward, but overall it's a fantastic title

>>712410618
>Giants: Citizen Kabuto
I played that for a bit, but I never finished it. I should go back to it. I agree that the writing was very funny.

>>712406810
>the player doesn't know his past and chooses whatever seems right to them in the moment.
this is metagaming. the player doesn't exist in the game world. when the nameless one wakes up with no memories how does he know how to act? what is the nameless one himself basing "whatever seems right" on?

>>712369915 (OP)
best story in a video game i think.
Not best rpg though maybe.
But best story i think so. I think it should be remade by Larian or people just as competent.

>>712411127
>remade by Larian
Would be good but it'd come with a price (half the NPCs turning black)

>>712369915 (OP)
Yes. It's the centerpiece of my glass cupboard.

>>712369915 (OP)
>tfw ESL and too dumb to understand this

>>712369915 (OP)
nah because the combat is bad, only the quests/choices and writing are good

>>712372750
bad news faggot, you're not the only person on the planet.

Why is Baldur's Gate's combat liked while Planescape's is hated when both used the same system

>>712412473
UX

>>712412473
I don't agree with these people saying PS:T's combat is bad, but challenge, mob composition, party fighting style customization, crowd control and terrain variety.

>>712369915 (OP)
Why didn't other RPGs use the [Lie] option in dialogue after this game? It was the most immersive RPG ever made and they just gave up after...

>>712372874
Yes. It's concise and gets to the point

>>712413124
If you want to lie in RPGs just pick the option that contradicts your actions

>>712374113
>AI DM
More info on this pls
How did you set it up? Which model do you use?
This sounds amazing especially with a disused setting like Planescape

>>712413232
But in bad RPGs that affects your morality.

>>712413124
There was a similar feature when you met Annah

>>712413232
It's also just better, narratively if the game lets you know it understand s you are lying. Like, you and the narrative are on the same page. It's just way better that way.

>>712413124
KotOR 2 used it occasionally, mainly for comic effect, though sometimes practical such as when dealing with the mercenaries on Dantooine.

>>712369915 (OP)
Every time i hear people talk about how good this game is, it comes down to this
>dude, there's a lot of text in it!
>it's so well written!

And then you find out they don't read books.

>>712369915 (OP)
It's in the conversation.

>>712369915 (OP)
No, it's the best game ever made.

>>712369915 (OP)
The writing is very enjoyable. It would have been better as a book.

>>712415984
>And then you find out they don't read books.
Why did you make this up lmao

>>712370292
>BG3
Gutted story, so that normies won't be confused.

who was Adahn

>>712369915 (OP)
Yes, only contrarian /v/tards with 90 IQ who think themselves smart disagree

>>712417449
TNO's real name if you believe the fan theory (it's implied ingame though)

>>712417449
You were

>>712370192
But they do, though. Leaving outside the obvious ones like the Addan counter, the way you chose to respond in dialogues influences your alignment, for instance, even if the counter is hidden.

Can someone spoonfeed me the themes of this game? I did beat it but I was an 13 year old who didn't understand anything

>>712370292
>BG3
So you're a furry ?

>>712369915 (OP)
What's the best way to play this game in 2025?

>>712420974
Atonement and forgiveness
Not just for your character, others too.
Your character has amnesia, and is gradually discovering that he's been a terrible person most of his life, using his charisma to exploit the vulnerable. So, if your memories are erased, what's left? Are you still an asshole?

>>712420974
It is about whether self-identity can trump action, basically. There is no answer to the main question. The night hag just wants to hear one she hasn't before.
>Who am I, really
>Can I change who I am
>Am I what I do or what I feel inside

>>712421280
get the og version and mod it to play well with your modern display. maybe get a bugfix if you care that deeply. The enhanced edition is garbage

>>712421280
Just the steam version is fine.

Reinstalled, but I don't feel like playing anymore.

>>712421382
>The enhanced edition is garbage
????
It's literally the best of the beamdog releases. No changes, only modern resolution updates, and typo fixes by Avellone.

>>712422235
>greentext

>main character who has lost part of his essence
>strange old witch who can help you get it back, yet is also obsessed with you
>you have an extraordinary ability to influence others to follow you, which is often commented upon
>female companion: a member of an evil group who has forsaken her evil ways
>female companion: a red-haired street urchin who initially captures you
>male companion: a taciturn non-human who is troubled by his warrior past
>male companion: a smartass who is with you from the very beginning, but he is hiding something and has his own reasons for following you
>funny robot companion who is deadly at ranged combat
>heavily scarred character who cannot die
>you are being pursued by a shadowy being which seems somehow to be part of yourself, created during the incident that stripped you of your essence
>Garbage combat
>WORDS WORDS WORDS