>Game has lots of cinematic cutscenes in it
>"Lol just go watch a movie"
>Game has lots of written text and dialogue
>"Lol just go read a book"

So what's the best way to tell a story in a video game?

story enhances the mechanics, not substitutes for them.

>>712373164 (OP)
Filter those people out of your brain and realize they aren't talking to.

>>712373421
>story enhances the mechanics, not substitutes for them.
So like the MGS games?

>>712373164 (OP)
Who's Kirk Johnson and why are they calling him such awful things?

>>712373164 (OP)
Gameplay. They're not called video books or video videos for a reason.

>>712373698
>Gameplay. They're not called video books or video videos for a reason.
This. So much this. Gears of War and CoD did the best version. Play an audio clip while playing a linear path.

>>712373164 (OP)
The answer is the visual novel and no I will not explain

>>712373164 (OP)
Show don't tell. Story through experience. Same way in real life. However if it's too scripted, it sucks. So the player needs to maintain some kind of agency throughout what they're being shown in order to make it not suck.
The technology doesn't exist for that yet (Westworld / Holodeck) so it's a balance between a very specific type of genre gameplay and scripted events.

>>712373164 (OP)
by actually taking advantage of the medium, dumbfuck
the experience of watching Lara Croft jump off an exploding boat into a river is exactly the same as the experience of watching Sylvester Stallone jump off an exploding boat into a river
vidya is the only medium that can fully embrace diegetics, environmental storytelling, or even just the ability to scatter the story around and allow the player to discover it themselves
so WHY the FUCK does it always turn into either 20 hours of discount hollywood or 2000 pages of dimestore paperback schlock

>>712374314
>the experience of watching Lara Croft jump off an exploding boat into a river is exactly the same as the experience of watching Sylvester Stallone jump off an exploding boat into a river
So like QTE's?

>>712373164 (OP)
Movies have music but they don't call them Musies. Books have images but you don't call em Looks. Why the arbitrary borders around creative mediums?

>>712374582
Like most people don't watch a star wars movie and think "dang I should just read a book" because it started with a couple paragraphs. Nor do I think "I should watch a movie" when I crack open a graphic novel.

>>712373164 (OP)
>So what's the best way to tell a story in a video game?

What's the best way to play a video game in a story?

Answer to both questions = Stop mixing the two.

Game. The key word is game. Gameplay is king. Devs use stories to cover up the fact that there is no good gameplay in their game.

Press UP for 20 seconds. Now watch this 5 minute long cutscene. Press UP for 32 seconds. Now watch this 6 minute long cutscene. Press UP for 27 seconds. Another lengthy cutscene. Move forward until you reach the next NPC. Here is another long cutscene.

That is not gameplay and it has no business being put into games.

Environmental. Storytelling.

>>712373164 (OP)
Put it all into environment and character design and let the game do the talking.
Not a single game has ever been improved by a Bioware dialogue tree or Kojima 40 minute cutscene. You don't need them.

Pic unrelated.

Pic related

>>712377579
I don't think it's a question of can games be good at storytelling, it's just that nobody cares. The most popular games are all soulslikes, friendslop Lethal Company glorified Roblox games, sports and simulators. They've all got one thing in common: jack shit for cinematics and dialogue trees. But nobody wants every game to look like Toribash either, put that effort somewhere.

The target audience for Sony cinematic over the shoulder third person open world games is purely balding middle aged white dudes with filipino wives who play for 2 hours a week.

>>712374501
no, like mayrio

>>712373164 (OP)
a game should encourage the player to tell their own story. movies and books dont have a character creator. the reader can't make choices. a 'story' should be a natural consequence of the gameplay. have you ever played rimworld?

>>712374501
he's point would be that those QTEs are dog shit.
Which most are.

Huh, didn't know that

none of you guys are convincing and are not making any good points

simply put, i think a game with lots of cinematic or written text is fine. stop trying to sound like a smartass and just enjoy things "just consoom!!" yes, that's exactly what i mean

>>712380262
Simply put, I think you're a faggot.

>>712380460
>Simply put, I think you're a faggot.
Based.

>>712373164 (OP)
It's not that hard, you just need to ignore american feedback, suggestions, reviews, etc. Doing that fixes... everything, story included.

>>712373164 (OP)
Finally , a book for me

>>712373164 (OP)
stop demonizing cinematics. i think it's fine.