>play Nioh
>you have to press 5 buttons to do something other action games let you do in one press
How do I have fun with this game?
you'll learn after playing for a bit, just keep doing it, maybe practice a couple of minutes near a shrine
besides, other games usually don't have stances, ki pulse, flux, etc.
>>712402775 (OP)It gets enjoyable. Just whatever you do beat it once you find your flow don't put it down for a month and come back otherwise you'll be just as annoyed as you feel now having forgotten how to play it.
>>712402775 (OP)Wait until you get to Nioh 2, where you get 3 more buttons.
Also git gud
That's because it also lets you do three times the amount the average game does while having the same amount of buttons, retard.
>>712402775 (OP)That's the beauty though, there is no other action game that lets you do things with the staff or scythe or other weapons
I don't play many action games so the max amount of complexity I'm used to is a strong attack button and weak attack button that you alternate between for combos. How much more complicated than this is Nioh?
>>712405162You have 3 stances with a weak and strong attack button + a bunch of active skills for each stance
>>712405162your souls APM is about 30, disregarding movement.
Nioh's is 80+ in combat.
but it's really 40 since most are multi-button presses you learn with time.
the complexity is 10x but most soulstards beat it with just normal attack and dodge.
>>712402775 (OP)if you don't get it, you don't get it. flux and stances are kino, if you're overwhelmed you're probably trying to do too much at once because i do admit the game doesn't really help you learn how to use those systems
>>712402775 (OP)I have not played this, it looks like Dark Souls but more difficult. For this reason I am unlikely to be interested
>>712405761Do people actively switch between weapons in combat in this game? It isn't like other action games where each weapon has a specific function. Everything feels about the same. I might end up playing the whole game through with katana at this rate.
I do kinda get that high stance is better for draining stamina, I beat the first boss by getting behind him with low stance, ki fluxing to switch to high, and hitting him in the back a couple times. Then fluxing back to low until I get another opportunity to use high.
Is that kinda what the devs intended?
>>712402775 (OP)Nioh is for masochist
>>712405162You can play Nioh like Dark Souls with a rhythm game component as you punctuate every combo with a 'ki flux' and do nothing else
>>712406375>It isn't like other action games where each weapon has a specific function. Everything feels about the sameIn nioh everything is good at something, but nothing is mandatory, axe is a ki killer but like you said, you can just use the high stance of another weapon to do something similar, but not as good.
>Is that kinda what the devs intended?The devs are really hands free on how you handle problems, what you are doing is good enough, but the game will give you a lot more tools to play around with that you can use to either improve your current strategy, evolve it, or change it altogether.
>>712402775 (OP)>gameplay??? In MY 2025 game?!?! This cannot be! Where is my Story Mode selection????Remove yourself, journalist.
Yokai women exclusively to human men, I’m just saying
>>712402775 (OP)I just played both whole game in mid stance.
>>712409750>Taking time to defeat enemyI found mid stance boring, low stance for repositioning + high stance for pounding enemies feels more satisfying.
Only use for mid stance is odachi parry
I got filtered because the level design and enemies are so boring and repetitive and the game is way too fucking long
>>712402775 (OP)Exclusively use female yokai cores and imagine that they’re your harem that waits for your call for aid while maintaining your hut and faithfully awaiting your return
>>712402775 (OP)Dont forget that for revenants, all you need is backwave II. I wish we had a version for yokai then Id parry e v e r y t h i n g.
>>712402775 (OP)Yeah managing stamina is so heckin big brained!!!!!!! Wooooooooooowwwwwwwwa
>>712412227Yoshitsugu is gonna freak
Every time I see someone speak about Nioh's complexity I'm reminded of DSP's This is How You Don't Play Nioh where 99% of what he did was use spear's mid stance and do the strong, strong, strong combo. His review of the game is even more insane.
>>712410705same, except I use mid stance for it's two hit light combo against multiple enemies and that ender that deals okay ki damage
>>712412357Should have grinded for a weapon to carry him. Diablo games are shit number crunchers for gambling addicts.
>>712402775 (OP)>How do I have fun with this game?Helping other players beat main story missions
Being a Cannon shooting Axe wielding Chad
Disregard Ninjitsu and Magic
Putting skill points in spirit and wearing spiritual armor for even greater spirit benefits
>>712402775 (OP)Hm, there are plenty of press X to awesome games around. Have you tried the latest Star Wars games?
>>712402775 (OP)nioh isnt that complicated
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>play Nioh
>it's fun
>>712402775 (OP)Pressing 5 buttons to do 1 thing is the fun part, though.
Favorite weapons? For me it's
>switchglaive
>kusarigama
>>712422902I like fists. I only played fists in nioh 2 and will equip 2 fists on samurai mode and ninja mode
>>712422902I only really like Axe and Katana played as a western magic sword IE inefficiently, honestly. The rest are okay enough, they just aren't as fun.
>>712417573probably when the beta demo comes out, doubt they'll put in the effort to port such an early build to pc just to later replace it.
i just hope they keep the ng+ system from 2 or make it better
>>712422902enjoyed the kusarigama and spear(mostly kusarigama though because spiiin and speeed)
I'll do what I did with Nioh 1 and 2 and bash my head against the wall like a gorilla for 300+ hours using high stance unga bunga spam so I can barely scrape my way to completing the 5th difficulty
>>712424097I don't mind you people not switching stances but how about using other defensive options other than dodging, running away, and using debuffs or kiting the enemy with long ranged attacks?
>>712405073fuck I've been looking for this meme, thanks
>>712402775 (OP)You play and you eventually learn. Don't think so much about it
>>712402775 (OP)Nioh is pretty slow compared to other action games. Just the right speed for a boomer like me
>>712424702It typically plays at a decent pace but the Maria boss fight is probably the fastest pace an action game has ever got me to play along with some Ninja Gaiden fights.
Watching Nioh 3 demo footage on youtube made me realize how fucking stupid the average player is
>>712402775 (OP)It's hilarious that Sekiro got shat on for being a rhythm game when this franchise gets glazed for being DDR, the ki pulse shit is such a terribly basic and repetitive mechanic even once you master the timing and learn to incorporate it well, it just shouldn't be a thing.
>>712425150it took you that long? The fextralife boss guides have most of them tell you to run away and pick off the boss using poison arrows
>>712425361But in Nioh YOU control the rythm instead of it being dictated by the enemies
>>712425812That really doesn't make it better
>>712425150That's a given. Most videogames players are retarded in every game, and sadly many don't realise that they are yet still act like they're the authority on a given subject.
>>712425361Name something better
>>712422902Fists and hatchets for close range/long range bullying of the highest degree. I pray the latter makes it into Nioh 3's base game.
>>712412073>Yeah managing staminaYou don't "manage stamina" in Nioh. Nioh gear and flux is designed to give you infinite stamina so you aren't "managing" anything. You develop the muscle memory to perform the expected inputs after every action and then you never think about stamina ever again
>>712402775 (OP)>you have to press 5 buttons to do something other action games let you do in one pressWhat you need to know about Nioh is that a lot of people who praise it for this specifically are young console players who have no background in any of the older genres. So they don't play fighters, they don't play RTS, they don't play any of the messier FPS games or even old MMO/RPGs. Nioh is literally the first game that has ever tested them on finger gymnastics and they are super hype about a game asking them to press more than one button per second. They won't admit that the depth and frequency of the actual decision making in Nioh isn't any greater than any other soulslike despite the number of buttons being pressed, and in many cases there is less thought behind those decisions because there are so few risks or penalties associated with something like, going into low stance, holding block and mashing low dodge away from things
The truth is the player character in Nioh is overpowered. That power is gated behind the muscle memory you need to build to be able to press the right buttons in sequence, but once you've passed that relatively low hurdle you'll realise you can get away with all sorts of scrappy low IQ gameplay simply because your grossly overpowered character is so forgiving
>>712418656That's all a game needs to be. It should be a simple thing, but somehow it isn't.
>>712426471>you don't manage stamina, you just manage staminaWhat an insightful post, thanks anon
>>712426471its also very apparent that doing one or two attacks will not drain most of your ki so these shitposters should get better material
>>712426532>Managing stamina is when I press the special Manage Stamina button after every action I do without thinking about my stamina at all
Just beat Imagawa, holy shit I didn't remember him being this easy. He didn't even get a chance to attack once
If pulse and flux took up any real time so that going for them would break your attack sequence and allow enemies to recover then it would be an actual decision
But nobody wants it to be a decision, they want it to be a "reward" for being able to press more than one button at once where the reward is infinite stamina and they never have to stop
Flux is especially egregious as it allows you to recover stamina even when you pulse early instead of waiting for the perfect pulse window, so if you can't even wait the 0.5 seconds it takes to pulse that's OK, we'll give you a special reward because you changed stance twice so you still don't have to stop. This isn't "management"
Then Nioh2 even gives you a special Stun Boss and Recover all your Stamina Yokai button just in case you've been smashing buttons for the last 30 seconds and your stamina looks like it might drop below 50%
>>712427205>If pulse and flux took up any real timeit would be the same as waiting for stamina to regen, making them pointless...
>>712427318>it would be the same as waiting for stamina to regenOnly because this game gives you stamina regen so fast than it takes 1 second to go from zero to full
>>712427205This, Nioh should honestly just remove stamina entirely and just have a posture break system for punishing excessive blocking. Ki pulse and flux are trash mechanics with zero depth. It's just more for the sake of having more shit going on. It's complexity disguised as depth.
>niohfags discussing endgame gameplay as if that's what the entire experience was like
Every time.
>>712427670NG+ is where the game starts
>>712427670the games are pretty old to be fair, most of them are way past ng
>>712427670>waaaa stop discussing endgame because I can't get past NG!!!Hey alright
>>712427443you wouldn't design a good action game lil bro
>>712427575Team Ninja knows stamina is bad and removed it from every other game. But niohbabbies would cry about 'dumbing down' if N3 didn't keep it
>>712427865I already have little buddy
>>712427670it gets good after 20 hours bro
It's not good. You are suppose to endure the devs sadism and then come back to /v/ to say that "souls games sucks, nioh is the real shit", for the sake of being a contrarian retard.
>>712428639I like both of those things though
I know how to make ki pulsing more nuanced, make dark realm make it so you don't naturally recover ki at all
>>712428786>accidentally miss your pulse>can't do anything anymoreMite b cool
>>712428278No, it is good from the start. You just get access to a lot more options and have far less down time in battle as you progress, at the beginning stamina management is necessary because you have less options and stats. It is not a different game at endgame.
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>>712428915>LW oneshot builds in 1 and infinite sustain tanks in 2 aren't different from soulslike early gameplaylol try geting past NG lil bro
>>712429135>2nd grade reading comprehension
>>712429108I don't pay attention to anything that isn't ethereal
>>712427991dmc5 isn't good
>>712427575How do you cancel recovery without ki pulse?
>>712430561A dedicated recovery cancel button, duh
>>712430607but that's just ki pulse
>>712430651It isn't if it doesn't recover your Ki
>>712430714anon you might actually be a genius!
i tried playing nioh 2 and i couldnt get past the first (mini)boss despite fighting him over and over for half an hour
is there any hope for me?
>>712431135He's quite literally meant to be a tutorial for running away
>>712431135The big horse guy? Meant to be skipped anon
Or you're talking about the monkey, try high stance you can break his horn to massively reduce his ki
>>712431217you mean big bull. big horse is the first boss.
>>712431398That's not a miniboss
>>712402775 (OP)>play Nioh>press the light attack button once>the light attack comes out>press the dodge button once>the dodge comes out???
>>712425361>Sekiro got shat on for being a rhythm gameimagine giving any credit to the tards that say that kind of shit
>>712431135Just block his attacks and take potshots, it's easier at the start. The beginning of both niohs is rough because you can't really do much of anything.
>>712431692yeah sekiro doesn't even have rhythm. it's a qte game.
>>712402775 (OP)>play football>have to run, shoot, steal, dribble, pass and receivewhy can't they make it just running like track does?
https://youtu.be/2e5jKAth_AA
Is this the first time they made living weapon actually mechanically interesting?
God damn i want a build focused on shifting now.
>>712431820it's still fun and that's all that matters
>but muh creative expressionlearn to play an instrument or something, nobody cares about your "cool" DMC combos
>no one talks about how blind is still a busted debuff
>>712431208>He's quite literally meant to be a tutorialftfy. Seriously he's also the missions boss so if you can't get through him then wtf
>>712432839He was talking about a miniboss (gozuki) and he isn't the mission boss
>>712432839since the other anon said that he's a miniboss it seemed like he was talking about the bull demon at the very start of the level, not the horse one at the end
>>712431135If you're a gaming journalist you can safely run past gozuki
>>712432523fun is subjective. you shouldn't play the fun card for 1 game and then immediately play the unfun card for another game
PCbros we aren't gonna make it... the nioh 3 demo barely runs at 15 fps on my rtx 4080 super and amd 9800x3d. It's better off to just get a ps5 i think
>>712433108>then immediately play the unfun card for another gamebut I didn't, maybe you are mistaking me for another anon
Nioh desperately needed macros.flux macro, iai macro. fuck all these weird repetitive meta inputs
>>712432935>>712433024they have a similar moveset
>>712432523Yeah well nioh is funner
>>712405073Ohhhhh! I GET IT NOW! Yoshitatsu was jealous of his dad, he wanted to fuck his hot and perfect mom
>>712433209try setting the video quality to 1080p 60fps on youtube bro. it worked for me.
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>>712422902>Nioh 1Axe
>Nioh 2Axe and Hatchets
>Nioh 3Axe and Hatchets
>>712425150I've known that since Nioh 1. When people were complaining how hard it was how how unfair or how it was just another souls game, I'd watch Twitch or Youtube of random people playing.
>no one ki pulsed>no one used different stances>no or barely any combos of any kindThey played it like it was Demon's Souls. Incredibly slowly and doing nothing but blocking and quick attacks in mid stance.
>>712433364Nioh is my favourite too but I also really enjoyed Sekiro. In my opinion all the popular action game franchises are fun to be quite honest, even GoW
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>>712433560>tfw they don't even know how to unga bunga
>>712433560the soulslike tag gave the game popularity but it also attracted a ton of people that got into it with completely fucked expectations. I roll my eyes every time somebody criticizes Nioh for its "poor exploration" (like no shit? It's an action game with a mission structure)
>>712433751Yeah well I agree, I'm actually replaying sekiro now
Theories as to what the end game might look like for nioh 3?
>>712434078I still don't understand what do they mean by good exploration.
>open a chest guarded by 20 heavy armored knights at the end of a corridor>get shield#3224
>>712433751I didn't really like GoW. But I did like Blades of Fire which is basically just a Nu-GoW clone with a Blacksmithing mini-game.
Though the level design is much, much better. I also found it to be much, much harder.
>>712434730It's also a genuinely wholesome fantasy family story.
>>712433560This is the horrifying reality of Team Ninja asking for feedback, a large amount of it may come from those kinds of people. That's why it's important to tell TN "Don't be fuckin dumb, those people will look up guides after release and cheese their way through anyway, it is impossible to cater to them". It's the same with how the loot works when there's so many ways to instantly sort and dump it. Reminder that Sloth was available in the Nioh 1 Alpha, when those people were complaining. 1.
>>712434723I hope they make it balls to the walls crazy, I can't take the monotony of their endgames. Make it so that to reach the boss rooms you have to do platforming or puzzles, since we can jump now they could add passives to make you jump higher or something. For bosses themselves, I don't like getting one/two shot unless I have quick change scroll, maybe a timer instead to promote aggressive play?
Also reward players with an actual something for completing endgame for once, it could be something like fashion or if they're feeling particularly sadistic, secret skills.
>>712434723I hope we get something new that uses sop rift system as a base. I'm tired of underworld
>>712434972Yeah, it's the biggest issue I have with these community feedback things.
The community is absolutely fucking retarded. I know I am better than the average player, so I know catering to me entirely isn't exactly a great idea as much as I'd like that they're also a business. But I know 100% that catering to them will ruin the game completely.
>>712435443>But I know 100% that catering to them will ruin the game completely.Very true
>>712434726I'm not sure either, I also don't understand why people say that Nioh 2's level design sucks when imo it's excellent with a ton of variety
>>712434730I meant mostly the old GoW but I played the 2018 one and it was fine too, also the Valkyrie Queen was harder than most bosses in souls games
>Blades of Fireis that the EGS exclusive one? If it's fun I might pirate it
>>712434726Neither do they. Nioh's always had tons of great exploration by their own metrics, especially because of how much it influences combat encounters, but there's still many other rewards for it too. It all comes down to what they assume about the loot system while ignoring everything else about the game. With how much people whine about the Yatsu-no-Kami level, an amazingly designed one that heavily rewards exploration, you can just instantly see it's a result of not wanting to actually explore and have it handed to them.
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>>712435537>is that the EGS exclusive one? If it's fun I might pirate itYeah, but I bought it on PS5 because I didn't want to buy an Epic game. Don't even have a problem with Epic, I'm just sick of the billions of different launchers.
>>712435443Pretty much, it takes a certain level of self-awareness which can be difficult for everyone, but most people who at least understand a little about the game recognize what it's going for and what would have terrible consequences. The same can't be said for others who are actively refusing to learn the game, and they'll never have that self-awareness or awareness in general no matter how far you go to appease them. Because then they'll also flood Twitter bitching about how games don't respect the player and muh yellow paint, oblivious to the fact they rewarded this mentality that's been constantly sliding down. Even they specifically expect TN games to have a bunch of options, challenge and depth now, even if they hate or won't interact with it.
>>712435387How did those work? Iv never played sop
>>712435725People probably didn't realize they can turn off poison pools.
Should've made those statues as big red buttons with yellow paints.
>>712435793>Don't even have a problem with Epic, I'm just sick of the billions of different launcherssame, I never bought a game on Epic and I don't plan to start now. Sadly I don't have a modern console, it's always a shame when a good game gets stuck on EGS (iirc the Lords of the Fallen sequel is gonna be a permanent Epic esclusive too)
>>712434726They're trying to talk about level design which is only partially made up with exploration, but barely anybody actually understands that term anymore. I personally think it has significantly worse level design than at least DeS, DS1 and DS2. But I am not even playing this series for the level design unlike Souls which is entirely built around it.
>>712405162You basically want to press an extra button after every attack. And even if you don't do that it's not the end of the world.
Fags are really overcomplicating it for no reason.
>>712432173Yokai Shift was pretty interesting in a lot of ways, but it was largely based on how it interacted with Yokai Skills, since they let you charge and maintain it very often while having separate gauges and filling really fast in Shift so you can do a ton of damage with them. They also had their own unique mechanics/moves that got a little overshadowed but were still great, like Phantom's teleport or Brute's anything-counter.
So far Living Artifact takes a little from both Living Weapon and Yokai Shift, but isn't interesting enough to outdo the latter, it needs a bit more to it whether that's more unique properties or attacks, and it might be nice to have more access to base MAs during it. The transformation itself makes it all worth it though.
>>712411918>I wish we had a version for yokai then Id parry e v e r y t h i n g.Lucky you, that's exactly what they did with Nioh 3. No more dedicated parry abilities though, nor skills from guard at all from what I've seen. Kinda weird, desu
>>712436261The consequence of "why should I HAVE to do that, I don't NEED to do that" culture in videogames has been a disaster and the worst thing journos, casuals and posers have propagated.
>>712436065You complete rits which are small "instances" more than levels. The intention is for smaller instances of gameplay in randomised locations reusing campaign tilesets. I like this more than just replaying a whole level like underworld. You have access to 5+ rifts at a time and each can have different objectives like a boss rush or survive or find the gateway to escape that rift. It also incorporates the other dlc for different difficulty modifiers. Every time you finish a single rift and go back to the great hall the rifts are randomly generated. Completed enough rifts put you at the next level of the labyrinth which is harder. Simultaneously you have npc monsters in the great hall that you can do quests for within the rifts and a core part of sop endgame is that since monsters will provide powerful modifiers for your build letting you do all the crazy shit you see in sop videos.
You also get items in rifts. For example taking damage in rifts reduces max hp so you have items to increase max hp or Phoenix down for revives and a bunch more like items you can feed monsters too.
If you die in enough rifts the progress is reset to the level you started at, all your items are gone, monsters are gone again.
It's almost like a roguelite climb I found it much more engaging but nioh gameplay is more fun imo
>>712405162Its pretty much the same except you need to press some more buttons every once in a while to manually control your breathing. This is not a joke.
>>712436242But what's good about level design in souls? I mean maybe DS1 was good that it's fully connected. But souls generally are just convoluted corridors with ambush in the corner and 26 ladders fest.
>>712437319>No more dedicated parry abilities thoughSource?
>>712405162It can be as surface level as you being a souls mouth breather or as complex as those stylish videos you see. The whole idea is giving players freedom to play as they want. You can beat the game in one stance if you want. It's all about having fun
>>712436727Ngl, I'm not huge on the Ninja/Samurai split. I hope you can eventually unlock weapons for the other stance because only being allowed to use fists in the one streamlined stance is really lame. I get that the point of Ninja is to be more of a skirmisher and pelt enemies with Ninjutsu but I don't like it coming at the cost of gameplay depth.
Not a fan of it limiting your fashion either, wonder if refashioning can get past it
>>712437319Dedicated parry abilities will likely still exist, they're just not in the Alpha but you can judge from some of the inputs and even then Cuckoo's Call is still there. All Martial Arts (they're called that now so we must adjust) have been moved to directional inputs which ends up being more input potential overall as long as they take advantage of it better this time. L1 is instead used for Guardian Spirit Skills which are Yokai Skills but tied to your Spirit. This input for them sucks and should be changed back.
>>712437660>>712437730Cuckoo's Call is still there, yeah, but there's no more "Guard + Weak/Strong Attack" input.
While it is true that Moon Shadow, which originally was also a skill you use from guard is now Forward + Strong I don't see parries getting slotted like that, feels like it'd be awkward and somewhat overshadowed by the universal deflect
>>712437730>>712437996Also yeah, it's true that L1+□ is taken up by the spirit ability. Wonder if we'll get a second one for triangle. I don't mind the scheme getting a bit cluttered if it leads to you doing more stuff.
>>712437446that sounds all well and good but the practical reality is that you choose missions with the fastest way to complete them so you can get to the boss floors asap
>>712437558> But souls generally are just convoluted corridors with ambush in the corner and 26 ladders festIf you actually believe that and you can't see the value in souls levels being part of a larger cohesive environment with meaning behind it then I can't help you
>>712437342Yea. I don't know why it's so hard for people to just play games they like. It seems people get so frustrated trying to make shit click when they'd be better off playing something they like and then they'd actually have the drive to git gud.
>>712402775 (OP)I gave up the moment i reached lv30, and i could not get past mission 2 uniques without using devil trigger
>>712437723A lot of people are worried about that sort of thing and being distracted about potentially losing what we had takes away from all the new things Ninja brings. That's why we can let them know about it. The depth is overall still there and intact, it's just the amount of previous options that need to be maintained, for example 3 Ninjutsu is not enough.
I've been thinking more about the weapons per style thing though, and I'm getting even more convinced that having Ninja variants for every weapon isn't too big of an ask and is actually what's going to happen. It's best not to assume anything but still consider the evidence.
We know for sure that Ninja will have 1kat, 2kat, Kusarigama and Talons, and are most likely going to have Tonfa, Hatchets and Splitstaff too judging by the out of bounds adventures. That's 4-7 weapons they're already making new Ninja movesets for, and Ninja movesets take a bit less effort than Samurai ones which are all basically complete.
They might have said that there would be different weapons for styles but it's important to consider two things:
1. The weapons themselves have different names and can be variations that aren't exactly the same but still stem from the same concept, i.e Sword > Ninja Sword, we already see this with Dual Ninja Swords and Fists/Talons.
2. These guys already lied about Nioh 3 existing, even though everyone knew it was only a matter of time till they started making it they were doing planning on it right after 2.
>>712437558Almost everything is good about level design in the first two souls games and Demon's (except visuals and the last section of DS1). I don't think that highly of the later games though.
Level Design is not just the map, it is everything encompassing playing through the level itself. Enemy placement, terrain, traps, unique mechanics, item placements, visuals, stat balancing, lighting, etc. Even something as simple as making a path look more well travelled to move the player's naturally over towards where you want them to go is a big part of level design.
I am not saying Nioh has bad level design though, that's a retarded take. It just has less of a focus on it than Souls, which is a given considering the original souls games are basically just adventure titles rather than action games.
>>712438498Yeah it's a climb and grind. I like it but I think it fits sop better since sop is much more loot centric. For nioh 3 I think an endgame centered around cool combat encounters would be ideal but just something not as stale as underworld since we've done that twice already
How do you guys feel about Omnyo getting relegated to items you get off soul cores that can only be refilled at shrines while Ninjutsu gets full on refills for melee combos? Granted it's a bit of a shame you only get three slots
>>712438678It's fine to rely on crutches at first and then drop them when you get good. I abused traps in nioh 1 to manage twin bosses and beat 2 honestly.
>>712437996>>712438258The MA inputs are just something people need to get used to, that's all. L1 being Spirit Skills is actually an issue because of how easily it can get in the way of guarding and then attacking, plus it blocks guard cancelling into MAs which was the main benefit L1 inputs had before.
The only thing that would really make the input scheme feel cluttered would be poor overlapping like that, which makes it all the more important they simply change Style Shift to R2+O or even R1+L2 (the old GS swap button) and use the other R2+buttons for Spirit Skills like before. They already show we can unlock a second one in the menus, but we should be able to set three, and be able to switch them between Guardian Spirits. It was already unfortunate when you got a GS you liked with a Yokai Shift form you didn't in 2, it would be even worse now it decides all your Spirit Skills.
>>712438915I think it's absolutely retarded and I have no idea why they would do that.
>>712438915I think it fits. At least for how I played nioh 2 this feels like a natural progression. Onmyo was always purely buff/debuff talismans in my experience meanwhile ninjutsu I always used offensively. In that regard it makes sense but it kinda feels like pigeonholing the mechanics and I hope we get more slots for ninjutsu. Maybe the way you can scroll through inventory quick slots using r1+left or right but for equipped ninjutsu
>>712438915My opinion is the same as it was in Nioh 2; Ninjafags are gay and lame and their mechanics are gay and lame.
>>712438880I think selectable missions with different randomizers is fine but it should not be easy to climb floors fast. Make each floor completely random, no required boss rooms to progress. Also ditch all these high numbered floors, I think 30 is enough. We don't need 100+30, 999, or 9999 floors.
>>712439430>Also ditch all these high numbered floorsKnowing TN they'll cannot at 100 and then post dlc open it up to 9999
I hope they dont make the gear so tedious to fine tune this time. Running the same boss a billion times hoping it drops something usable isn't fun. I hope they make gear more customizable and not as rng dependant.
>>712427670Not only are they discussing endgame, but they're only on about a specific playstyle of railing on enemies. They don't understand that not everyone wants that because they find that playstyle boring.
Ironic. In a game about choosing your playstyle, Nioh fags keep trying to force their flux wank on to others.
>>712406375>Do people actively switch between weapons in combat in this game?You can, there are plenty of skills that synergize with weapon switching, and if you care enough you can switch between weapons to get strengths of them to shine in combat. But you don't need to, and it's very likely you'll find the one combo you like the most with one weapon and use that 90% of the time.
>Everything feels about the same.I would say that a Kusari-gama and an Odachi very much do not feel the same. The weapons have very different speeds, aggression levels, and tricks for how they're used.
>I might end up playing the whole game through with katana at this rate.That's fine. I did all of Nioh 1 with the Odachi and most of Nioh 2 with a life-drain spear build.
>Is that kinda what the devs intended?Sort of. Each stance has things it does better, combinations of strength of the attacks, speed of recovery, and animations. There is no "intended" way to do it, other than that you need to learn to be ki pulsing in between every attack because hitting the perfect pulse keeps you in the fight, and if you learn your weapon you can flow through infinite-chain combos, disperse yokai zones, etc. and keep being aggressive rather than being a more passive Dark Souls-style.
Learn to use tools too. Hitting an enemy with a Slow spell will let you beat their ass while they struggle to do anything. Throw a blessing on your weapon for massive damage against Yokai. You get all kinds of tools to play with.
>>712438915It's an odd choice, and one I'm not entirely sold on yet but I could be depending on how it plays out. With the change to Ninjutsu, Onmyo gets to be more unique with its implementation but even then they could just have Untouched Onmyo and Empowered Onmyo return for those that want more use out of it. You still get to walk out the shrine with a full stock of Onmyo spells to cast, I'm just not sure if 6 slots will be enough, plus it doesn't let you equip two of the same Soul Core or even two that have the same spell.
Aside from that I would just want the Soul Core Box summoning animation to be faster, it's slower to start up for no reason.
>>712439687They should implement smithy from sop. It was much more deterministic so we don't need to savescum before crafting a batch of divine gear for a grace
I hope they make ninjutsu OP again. I love spamming element magic.
>>712439863What would you say each weapon's strengths are? Some are more straightforward like Axe, but I'm not entirely sure of Kusa's niche, a blend of crowd control and rushdown?
>>712439720Nobody is forcing you to flux or rail on enemies, one of the best things about Nioh is that you can play the game in any way you like. It's just that most of us in these threads are already in the endgame and have played both games for years so of course we're gonna discuss those things
>>712440142true, I got all the way to DOTN by using almost exclusively low stance spear for example
>>712440142NTA but there absolutely some spergs in these threads that get absolutely ass blasted triggered when you play the game "wrong" and act like it's required. Though it may just be one schizo spamming.
>>712438915It seems like a shit idea.
But I honestly couldn't tell you if it's a good or bad idea. Because I don't play Ninja. Or Omnyogi. Never have. Not in Nioh 1. Not in Nioh 2. And I don't ever intend on starting.
>>712438915It's lame as fuck
>>712439196It's clear they had no idea how to actually make a third nioh and so are just making weird changes that benefit nobody
You fags can do whatever you want but if you play lame I will openly shame you and not fight with you
>>712437342>slowly seeing "poser" become more used on this boardGood. This word needs a comeback in gaming specifically.
>>712438915Im sold on every change they've made. I trust team ninja's vision
>>712438582>cohesive environmentNot a fan of souls approach. I can't see how any people can live in souls castles.
>>712439196I caused this. I showed them picrel and they realized they had to stop it.
>>712402775 (OP)You realize the amount of options the game gives you? Thats why
>>712440091Magic and ninjutsu are required for the higher difficulties so I imagine they'll still be good in 3.
>>712439687I think I'd like to see set bonuses be more distinct and interesting. The problem for me always seemed to be that the devs didn't really have any consistent level of power between gear sets so some are hilariously bad and some are ridiculously obviously overpowered. If the game wants me to commit to a full set of gear, then I'd like to get some major playstyle changes out of it to make up for going clown-style with whatever has the best random stats.
>>712440095It's hard to quantify into a simple rule for each weapon, because they all have different speeds, hitboxes, ranges, etc. that make it more of a feel thing. Like, Spear has a ton of flourish stuff you can do, but with a good set you can also just mid-stance poke everything to death. Swords are a good middle-ground of speed and damage, they're quick and you can get fast combos in, but they don't have any reach. I never used swords much.
Dual swords are pretty beginner-friendly, they're fast and punchy with good combos. Axes are just about slow, chunky hits, meaning it's about punishing enemies instead of being hyper aggro on them. Plus big hits mean big ki damage on enemies.
Odachi is like, halfway between sword, spear, and axe. You get some big overhead chops for ki damage, you get some ok ranged poking, and you get some decent slashing combos. Solid for bonking, it's a good weapon.
Tonfas are fast as shit and can stack up element on enemies very well. I don't use them, I have no idea how they and Kusari-gama work.
>>712440318No one in these threads is genuinely like that, they only explain the many strengths and reasons to use mechanics in the games and leave it up to others to do so. If anything it is the opposite and people are needlessly vocal about how little they use in the games. I think you're making up a strawman for some reason.
>>712440142Nobody is denying your ability to discuss things. The original posts were about how a specific mechanic is objectively good or bad as a whole, but it was only being discussed from the perspective of an endgame build akin to something like saying "Stamina is pointless in Nioh 1 because you have infinite in Living Weapon anyway."
Also there's been many times in the Nioh threads over the years when people have whined about other players not "playing the game correctly" by ignoring stuff like Flux or not using the in-depth mechanics. Your stance doesn't really seem to be the consensus.
>>712440142>Nobody is forcing you to flux or rail on enemies, one of the best things about Nioh is that you can play the game in any way you like.That's true for Nioh 1, not Nioh 2. Not only is flux wank needed (because end game bosses regenerate health if you don't constantly apply pressure), but yokai skills allow you to regenerate stamina while attacking with them. On top of that, penance makes bosses even bigger damage sponges for higher rewards.
You are 100% forced to engage with flux wank, otherwise you're just making the game harder for yourself. The only exception is the onmyo build, but that's boring as you're not engaging with the weapons, which are the main source of combat.
>>712439687I have bad news for you
>>712441032"wank" implies it's somehow a bad thing and not a legitimate game mechanic you should be engaging with in the first place.
>>712441032>Not only is flux wank neededit's not because
>yokai skills allow you to regenerate stamina while attacking with them...which makes fluxing optional
You contradicted yourself within a single sentence, congratulations.
>>712441126>"wank" implies it's somehow a bad thingIt also means masturbating. That's what combo wank and flux wank mean, lame repetitive actions.
>>712441032>>712441126Maybe I'm no understanding the discussion here. If someone says "flux wank", I imagine that just refers to learning the when, why, and how of perfect pulsing, switching, and combo chaining to maintain ki so you can always be fighting?
Obviously that's not "required", you're more than welcome to choose to never ki pulse at all, and can just play the game like Dark Souls (minus the shield part) if you want? I mean hell, I actually never learned to ki-pulse-stance-switch so I never do it at all. Hasn't once prevented me from beating any of the content in the game.
Will your game be slower and a little more tedious if you just never ki pulse? Obviously. But you can totally still play that way if you find some kind of moral objection to "needing to" engage with the basic game mechanic?
>>712441196Absolutely beautiful. I don't even need to bring up how often the "wank" calling card keeps cropping up as a sign that it's the same guy who has no idea what he's talking about, which is what he's actually upset about since he gets called out for when he's incorrect while taking it personally. Because yes, it's the same guy from before.
>>712441418Nothing lame about masturbating specially if Fuku is involved
>>712441196>You contradicted yourself within a single sentenceNo I haven't. I'm specifically on about how fucking lame railing on enemies is, and that flux and yokai abilities are built with railing in mind. It's literally the reason Ippon became the go-to yokai ability for end game because it's the best for combo wanking.
>>712402775 (OP)Can literally anyone explain how ki pulse/flux makes the game better? Aside from the obvious "it's more complexity so it strokes my ego because I'm le hardcore gamer", because I feel like that's a running theme with the whole game. Things are extra annoying just cause.
>>712441053>we are doubling the fun you get from grinding for gearthose japs and their gambling addiction
>>712441468Wank is a negative slang term basically meaning overuse, in film or tv it'd be used to describe when a character is being forced way too much to the point that it is obnoxious. When used in regards to a game mechanic it means a similar thing.
I don't know if anon meant it that way however.
>>712441774>how fucking lame railing on enemies isIt's cool as fuck thoughever
>>712433338i hate games that DONT have anything like that
Now that PvP is back in Nioh 3, what is the best way to PvP?
>>712441897It eliminates the downtime where you wait for stamina to regen
Yes, eliminating stamina would be even better
>>712422902>1kat for honorabu samurai duel>Tonfa to pulverise yokai filth into dirt
>>712441897>Can literally anyone explain how ki pulse/flux makes the game better?Play gooder = hit enemy longer. It's simple
>>712441897Ki pulse lets you cancel certain recovery frames and gives you back Ki so you can continue into another combo.
Fluxing is the same just even more smooth because you're changing into another combo through that button combination.
I'm not sure why this is hard for you to grasp.
>>712440628If it has been coming back then that's probably a good thing, they've always existed but recent years have seen an outright epidemic of it, though /v/ has always been ground zero for posers. People don't care how you do things, they'll start to care if you pretend you're doing what you're not and use that as a shield from criticism or a sword to attack what they do out of spite and ignorance.
>>712441897it's a cherry on top
>>712441774>I'm specifically on about how fucking lame railing on enemies is...I'm sorry, what? In a game about beating the shit out of enemies, you dislike beating up enemies?
Have you considered that you're not meant to be playing this game?
>>712431789>Just block his attacks and take potshotsim not a big fan of this type of gameplay. whenever i have to wait for a moving platform in a platformer game i want to kill myself
but from my understanding the staggers in nioh are pretty generous so you dont have to block constantly. at least i hope thats the case
>>712441897Ki Pulse is cool as a way to keep you mindful of your stamina management and to not just mindlessly mash, to keep a rhythm. Then Flux is there to add to the reward by encouraging you to interact with the other stances instead of sticking to just the one. In practice it doesn't work quite as well, though.
>>712441897ki pulse is literally just rewarding correct input timing, I like the rhythm it gives to the gameplay. Flux is honestly overpowered and leads to
>>712442000
>>712442000>>712442053>>712442080Or they could just balance the stamina costs appropriately so that you don't have to press a button after every attack/combo, like in every other game?
>>712441968>It's cool as fuck thougheverFor you it is the best wank you've ever had, but for me it isn't it's boring. Nioh 1 doesn't have a railing on enemies and is why I consider it a totally different game to Nioh 2. I would like to find a happy medium ground, where it has the same systems as Nioh 1, but the penance system is added for those that want to flux/combo wank.
>>712442230Those games are worse than Nioh so I'm not sure they should do that
>>712442230But why do you want every game to be the same as every other game?
Why is this somehow offensive to you?
>>712442230>>712442339Is this some new form of shitposting I'm not familiar with?
>>712442230>like in every other gameBut I don't want Nioh to be like every other game
>>712442339>Nioh 1 doesn't have a railing on enemies:D
>>712442230you only press the button when you are running out of stamina or wanting to cancel combo
>>712442230The actual solution is getting rid of ki entirely
>>712442230>HURR DURR BUT OTHER GAME>PANDER TO MENo. And they never will. Get fucked, loser.
>>712442404Filtered fromtards, most likely
>>712442198>...I'm sorry, what? In a game about beating the shit out of enemies, you dislike beating up enemies?>Have you considered that you're not meant to be playing this game?You haven't played Nioh 1 to the very end if you think the entire series has been all about combo/flux wank. Mechanically, Nioh 1 is vastly different to Nioh 2.
>>712442435But Ki pulsing is cool because it also interacts with the yokai pools. Maybe the pools should be more punishing.
>>712442404Not at all. The Nioh 1 guy has been mad about not being able to iai 1shot the Underworld in 2 for years. The other guy is just a regular /v/ souls normie.
So like, Night Rain, Iai Quickdraw and Tiger Sprint. How do they compare to each other? Is Tiger Sprint just worse?
>>712442539Like every Ki mechanic in these games it becomes just muscle memory that you barely think about, pointless mechanic
>>712441897Ki Pulse
>Lets you recover Ki after spending, the lifeblood of all your actions>can cancel the recovery of actions to act sooner>both of these decisions are at odds adding more strategy to how you read the situation and time your pulse>keeps your mind more occupied during what would otherwise be downtimeFlux
>connects the two most influential mechanics of the game in an elegant way, Ki Pulse is a good time to assess stance choice while giving you more Ki to use in it>applies every benefit from wider option access that stances give you to Ki Pulse>further rewards awareness in combat both of timing and windows and of your current stance>instantly cancels as opposed to Ki Pulse having a short animation, so that you can act even further>maintains all the decision-making from the Ki system with how much you want to spend on offense/defense while adding extra focus on it within the momentHopefully people don't have to explain this to you next week.
>>712442202That isn't how you need to play the game, its just that early on in the games you haven't unlocked anything on the skill tree or found any gear at all. Mezuki is fun to fight normally in later difficulties when you have combat options, but at the start I would just say play it safe to get past him.
Also if you mean staggers as in when the player staggers, them you cannot actually do anything except block iirc. That's how you escape being combo'd to death because dodge doesn't work while being hit.
>>712442752In Nioh 2 uncharged tiger sprint does more damage than uncharged iai with the same animation
>>712442539delete pools and make yokai missiles countered by ki pulse
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>>712442558You keep on coming out with this copium bullshit when I play all the weapons. The only weapon that I was meh on is the spear.
But do go on with your bullshitting excuses. You simply can't admit that someone who actually knows the mechanics of Nioh 2 doesn't like them. It shatters your belief that people who don't like Nioh 2 are simply not good at it.
Maria Katana Only - https://files.catbox.moe/zeb2bd.mp4
Date Masamune & Sanada Yukimura Katana Only - https://files.catbox.moe/4n1dng.webm
Mysterious Samurai Shima Sakon Katana Only - https://files.catbox.moe/g5qt51.webm
>>712422902Katana and Fists
Alternatively
Kusa and Odachi
>>712442526>MechanicallyThat word doesn't mean what you think it means. The difference you have in mind is that Nioh 1 has far easier ways to get excessively higher damage output than Nioh 2 when considering both effects on offer and the relative health of the enemies/bosses. Every mechanic relating to combos from Flux is entirely present in the game and just as effective/encouraged, in fact Flux recovers even more Ki in 1 than in 2 and you can have much higher max Ki more easily. You just chose to ignore all this in favour of pumping your damage as far as possible resulting in, dare I say, numbers wank.
>>712442339>Nioh 1 doesn't have a railing on enemiesIs this the guy I'm supposed to take seriously?
>>712443008>Maria Katana only>open video>literal first thing he does is use a bow
>>712443008>extremely mid clipzero self-awareness
>>712443338That was to prove to an anon about being able to stun Maria because he was making out that you couldn't.
>>712443332See for yourself.
Maria Katana Only - https://files.catbox.moe/zeb2bd.mp4
Date Masamune & Sanada Yukimura Katana Only - https://files.catbox.moe/4n1dng.webm
Mysterious Samurai Shima Sakon Katana Only - https://files.catbox.moe/g5qt51.webm
>>712443008>I am le god of nioh>just wait for openings
>>712443475Yeah I don't mind only messing.
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>>712443269>That word doesn't mean what you think it meansYes I do, as I have explained the difference in mechanics here.
>>712441032
>>712443569>you can't rail on enemies in Nioh 1 because I play like a fucking retardReally? That's the point you're trying to make?
>>712443475who tf even mentioned maria
>>712442752Tiger Sprint is not for damage but instead offers great mobility and positioning. It does more damage than your other dashing attacks and when uncharged it does more than uncharged Iai while still coming out and recovering instantly. It's the trickiest one to get use out of but can make your gameplay much more fluid when you do.
Night Rain does the same damage as charged Iai but can come out slightly faster, while having multiple hits and being better at inflicting ailments. It's a great punish especially on yokai but it stays in place and has a little more recovery, so you'll interchange it and Iai in different scenarios based on what's more preferable.
You probably know about Iai already but the fact it's one hit means that in Nioh 1 and 2 it can be an important part of human out of Ki combos. It also goes through enemies which can be evasive in nature and has two levels of charge, the first can be very good DPS when done consistently.
>>712443770Nobody, just ignore the schizo
>>712443752Post some of your gameplay
>>712443850Why would I record my gameplay?
>>712443947If you're criticizing him for playing like a retard why would you not post some counter gameplay?
>>712443332Reminder that this guy has been told in explicit detail about how Confusion instantly breaks the Ki of Yokai allowing you to instantly start comboing them. But that doesn't count because he says it doesn't. I'm convinced this is all just a humiliation fetish for him combined with him wanting to shit up the threads out of some schizo vendetta and desperately get some kind of "internet fame" as the guy doing it.
>>712443752Hahahaha, this is exact type of response me and another anon were criticizing, that if you don't play a specific way, then you're doing it wrong. Congratulations anon, thank you for proving that you're a Nioh fag trying to force flux wank on to others.
Here's the post for those that want to see.
>>712439720
>>712444073Does anyone even pretend confusion is a good mechanic
>>712438915They should make onmyoji a separate purely unarmed style.
>>712444175the entirety of nioh 2 community discord
>>712444090No you fucking moron, you're free to play however you like but stop pretending that Nioh 1, and I quote, "doesn't have railing on enemies" just because you choose to ignore game mechanics.
>>712444090anon meant you are a retard for saying a specific way doesn't work in nioh 1 only because you can't do it
>>712443679And the other anon destroyed you so succinctly I had nothing left to add.
>>712441196And no, your reply to him doesn't do anything except for demonstrate your further ignorance in both games and why people approach them.
>>712443770>who tf even mentioned mariaThat video is about three years old. They were having a hard time with Maria saying she's the hardest boss in the game, and you can't knock her down with the bow. I said you can and I can defeat her on WOTN naked. He told me to prove it and I did.
>>712444090>reading comprehension
Nioh fans so autistic they never learned the 'stop responding' tech, glad everyones in a endless rage loop for the rest of the thread
>>712444308Embarrassing post
>>712402775 (OP)Get an IQ above room temperature.
>nioh 1 retard
>nioh 2 retard
>there will be nioh 3 retard
Grim. Where should I discuss future TN games?
>>712444267Not in Nioh 2. This can be objectively proven as I have done so many times. Even the Nioh 2 faggots don't dare to prove shit because they know I'm right. That's why they still haven't shown shit, and it has been three years since the original debates.
>>712444313I hope this evil bitch escapes William's death grip and stirs some more shit up in Nioh 3. Or maybe deport her and have her stir some shit up elsewhere.
I unironically really like the setting Nioh creates where secret societies of early-colonial Spain/England/Portugal get involved in mystical wars to exploit the mythologies of newly discovered lands.
You fags better go on expeditions with me again when Nioh 3 drops
>>712444679it wasn't always like this, I don't remember ever seeing this much 1 vs 2 bickering
>>712444705>Not in Nioh 2are you talking about the underworld?
>>712444469You know, you're right. People unfortunately just need to be reminded of the existence of this sad individual because they'll be otherwise fooled into thinking he's ever going to engage in good faith when the moment you try to do so he closes his eyes and screams. The only reason to do so is to try and piggyback into actually discussing and teaching the game mechanics and features while he seethes.
>>712445016It's just one single guy filtered by nioh 2 endgame bosses not falling over in 3 hits
Nioh is literally the same game as Dragon Age Origins but instead of clicking skills in a hotbar or pressing the corresponding number key, you first have to activate a stance that only exists to give you access to skill slots
>>712444679/v/ has never had worthwhile nioh discussion, the actual community is elsewhere and actually playing the games at a high level
>>712445114Maybe don't spend so much energy on random /v/ posters
>>712445214This DAO sounds like a good game! Can you post some gameplays?
Love Ki management
Love fluxing
Love combowank
Love railing on enemies
Love Nioh
Simple as.
i stopped playing because i got sick of all the gear drops
I saw that after you beat the extra mission in the alpha the reward switches from texts to locks of hair. Are they farmable or one time only?
Dunno if I should just make three characters to fully master pairs of weapons
I never got into Nioh 1, tried maybe 5 times
Can I just switch to trying to get into 2 now or is 1 required to play first
>>712445474If you didn't like 1 you won't like 2
>>712445474You can start from 2 no problem if you don't care about lore stuff
>>712445327>/v/ has never had worthwhile nioh discussionI started 2 around the release of the last dlc and there were a lot of comfy threads on here
t. casual who doesn't care about super technical discussion
>>7124454741 not required, but odds are that you won't get into 2 either. But give it a try anyway, who knows
>>712445571>>712445646I'll force myself to play it until I like it
>>712445474The first game is pretty terrible at teaching the player how to use the various mechanics, Nioh 2 is much better in that regard and going back to 1 after playing 2 makes it easier to appreciate. Basically 1 is a simpler game but much more difficult while 2 is more fun and makes the learning experience better.
>>712444876>I hope this evil bitch escapes William's death grip and stirs some more shit up in Nioh 3She was a real person, like William.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Pita
>>712445437They're farmable, a nice little convenience from TN for the Alpha. You might want to make another character either if you want to do a level 1 playthrough or if you killed some of the one-time enemies like Mezuki and want to fight them again. The Bloodedge demon can sometimes respawn but it's not consistent.
>>712445734What makes 1 harder than 2?
>play nioh
>hate it
>try again in the future
>hate it
>try again in the future
>hate it
>try again in the future
love it
>try nioh 2
>hate it
few more attempts and ill be able to play Nioh 2
>>712445390>best girl is your momWhat did they mean by this?
>>712445109>are you talking about the underworld?Yes. This entire argument is about the endgame.
>>7124458322 has a bunch more options in combat, like soul cores for example
It's a small thing in the grand scheme but it baffles me that there are not more games that give you usable buffs that refresh at bonfires
Elden Nig got closest with the physick flask
>>712445474Nioh 2 is just Nioh 1.5. They're the same game, only 2 has more content. If you don't like 1, you won't like 2. And if you don't like 2, you won't like 3.
>>712445832The player character is much more powerful in Nioh 2 generally with the amount of tools they have and how good burst counter/yokai form/soul cores are. But the main difference in my opinion is that yokai in Nioh 1 do genuinely 4x more ki damage than it feels like they should. Against the average yokai enemy you can block one or maybe two attacks before your guard is broken and you are almost guaranteed to die from their follow-up while staggered. Yokai enemies in Nioh 2 do much more reasonable ki damage so you have more ways to defend against them.
>>712445175Being filtered by a game means I haven't completed it when you fully well know I have. You keep on using these dishonest arguments because you're insecure over a fucking video game.
>>712445832I recall enemy damage being somewhat higher in 1 compared to 2, but sloth LW and confusion are a lot more abusable in 1
>>712445832>What makes 1 harder than 2?Dual bosses filter Nioh 2 fags. Most have to resort to living weapon cheese.
>>712445175One very autistic guy who tries his best to take any route towards shitting up the threads. Possibly also the same guy who freaked the fuck out when someone said his Nioh 2 character was ugly and then literally swore to ruin all Nioh threads afterwards. This is not a joke.
The most ironic part is that he fundamentally misunderstands that raw damage output and numbers wank is not playstyle, his entire argument is based on a delusion feeding his ego because it is all still possible in both games.
>>712445327There's actually been quite a lot of great threads on here, probably why him and whatever other discord schizos there are want to ruin them so much. I wouldn't say it's spending any energy but he's also not random with how much he constantly samefags with this nonsense.
>>712446291Pushing Nobunaga's shit in in front of his wife truly is peak Nioh.
>>712446146>you fully well know I haveNot really? You only ever post your Nioh 1 gameplay. I suspect you might in fact not have completed the Depths! But go ahead and prove me wrong with some Nioh 2 videos, if you can.
>>712445913by the time I unlocked it I was ready to check out of the game so I never experienced it, but from what I heard it's so overtuned that I don't find it hard to believe that you get funnelled into playing a certain way to get through it
>dodge
>attack once
Why yes I did beat both Niohs like that
>>712446291There are dual bosses in Nioh 2.
>>712402775 (OP)This was my main issue as well and why i dropped it.
>HOW ABOUT IF INSTEAD OF PRESSING A BUTTON AND THING HAPPENS YOU DO A MINI PIANO RECITAL INSTEAD FOR A SINGLE ATTACK?How about i don't bother with your game?
>>712446703>gachatard filtered by basic inputsShocker
>>712446621literally one duo of jobbers, they don't compare to Nioh 1 sending two actual threats at you without giving a single fuck about balancing their ai out
>>712446121Wear heavy armour. Heavy armour exists in Nioh 1 and Toughness is still extremely strong. Some Yokai in Nioh 2 have attacks that are guaranteed guard breaks regardless of your Toughness and Ki. Nioh 1 is harder in some ways while Nioh 2 is harder in others, both can be cheesed in different methods and some things from 1 are approached differently in 2 like tank builds. This also extends to the endgame where Nioh 1 has more floors to its Abyss and a greater number of dual bosses, while Nioh 2's Depths bosses are individually stronger, are fought in gauntlets of up to 3 and randomly change per day.
What does your Agility ranking even do outside of A giving you a flip in Swallow's Wing? Is it just for attack bonuses from gear?
>>712446621What about trios?
>>712446806Mind explaining why you need 4 buttons to do a basic attack? Why does that make the game better?
>>712447034lower ki use and higher regen
I've beaten Hanzo 76 times and he still hasn't dropped the onimaida muramasa smithing text
>>712447094>4 buttons to do a basic attackIt's one button. Square for light attack and triangle for heavy attack.
>>712446826>it doesn't countalso there are more than 1 duo
Big tittied ice yokai boss made me want to kill myself.
I just cheesed her with kusarigama with no shame.
>>712447124Are you using Luckbringer Talismans?
>>712447094the square has four sides but it's just one button and it does a basic attack. Any more questions?
>>712447173Oh so when the game gets attacked it's "fucking based that you need 4 buttons for one attack lmao you got filtered" but upon further examination it's not actually true
Almost like you're blindly defending any pointless complexity the game ahs
>>712447275fucking based that you need 4 buttons for one attack lmao you got filtered
>>712446461I have this locally that shows the earliest dates of creation/modified. Showing the floor number of the Abyss in Nioh 2 means getting off my arse and taking a screenshot, but I'm not, because you're a waste of my time.
>>712447275>schizo babbleNo anon, I'm simply pointing out that you don't in fact need more than one button to attack.
>>712447232I have +17 luck on both and one has human droprate up, and some of my armour pieces also have luck / human droprate up. I have the kodama on the material drop rate bonus as well
>>712445214My IQ dropped by several points after reading this. Good job, anon.
>>712447338Concession accepted. See you next time!
>>712402775 (OP)>glorified rock paper scissor shit>shitty PS2 video gamey level design from like the early 2000s lol
>>712447686>video gamey used as an insultJesus...
my game froze on this frame. I think it's time to call it, gameplay is pretty ass at this point
>>712447774What Nioh needs is to be more cinematic, it should have more forced walk and talk sections
>>712447816Why was a Sumerian king reimagined as a kabuki goofball anyway?
>>712447410Don't know what difficulty you're on but it can be better to wait till a later one to start farming texts, both because you can more easily make a gear set to stack Item Drop Rate and because while drop rates seem to improve you can go back down in difficulty to kill them way way faster. Otherwise it's just sticking to it, or using what he drops if it works. You can always move on if you want to as well, it's not strictly necessary to be able to forge that sword.
>>712448087I know, I definitely should move on since I'm only level 60 but at this point I feel compelled to commit and get it to drop
What even is the point of the ranged weapons? Just picking off enemies from far away? Does anyone actually work them into regular combat?
They should have done what other actions games do and put weapon swapping on one of the triggers or something.
>>712448001Because he's actually just Benkei. Why did they name him Gilgamesh is anyone's guess
>>712448374Headshotting humans is very effective, one of the best counters to living weapon cunts
>>712448374>Just picking off enemies from far away?pretty much, it rewards careful players with easier fights. But I remember seeing a video years ago of somebody killing bosses with only ranged weapons
>>712448374The bomb arrow ninjitsu is the funnest thing in the game
>>712448319Oh you're only on the first playthrough? Well shit man, if you want it you can get it and there can still be some value in gear and effects but it's much more beneficial putting that energy into mastering the mechanics and movesets, which in a way you might be doing from all the boss fighting. It's fine to stick to it or move on if you want to though as long as you don't get overly caught up in either full speed progressing without getting comfortable, or constant unnecessary farming that you don't enjoy anymore.
>>712448374I do, they're one button away and hitting weakspots is extremely powerful as well as sniping enemies if they create distance midfight, cannons can even stagger Yokai. Rokurokubi when you use your bow midfight are an entirely different experience, and you can headshot humans if they're running at you, after dodging their attack or even after you parry them. That's on top of picking off enemies too.
>>712448556>Why did they name him Gilgamesh is anyone's guessBecause he has a green friend called Enkidu
>have to press a thousand buttons per minute
>enemy can just hit you once for 60% of your hp
>enemies are spastic suicidal retards that never stop swinging
Awesome game guys.
>>712447437>Concession accepted. See you next time!Eat shit. Fortunately for me I took a screencap of me completing the final floor of the depths.
Come to think of it, you haven't posted any proof of Nioh 1 or Nioh 2. No videos, no images. Really makes you think.
Man, I'm still salty we never got the dual pistols the crow ninjas have
>>712449247>not fukuFake and gay
>>712448374It really doesn't make sense that there's quick aim for ranged weapon but you need 2 buttons to switch weapons.
>>712449198lmao imagine getting filtered by the tutorial playthrough
>>712449356>not fuku>Fake and gayI'm way ahead of you.
>>712449465Now we're talking
>>712449286I'm still hoping for nunchakus
>>712402775 (OP)This is one of the giant criticisms I have of this game. Like it's great. It's deep. The combat is fun and fluid. But in higher difficulties you have to work super hard as a baseline. There aren't 'hard' enemies you fight in certain places, every enemy is hard and you have to play your heart out.
>>712449198What bothers me is how weapon swapping and stance swapping is encouraged but has one of the stupidest control schemes ever. Outside of it the game is just spamming light attacks mostly because the game does a horrendous job or letting you transition between the two and prevents you from Ki Pulsing because it cuts it off, same with the combo enders you can unlock. Not sure if 2 is different but 1 feels like it wants you to do things the game is not built around doing.
>Nioh 3 lategame sidemission comes up, a Yokai portal has seemingly appeared over Ohashi Bridge and passing samurai have reported being attacked by a demon
>travel over there and sure enough someone leaps out of a Yokai realm portal
>"Wahahaha, you were expecting someone else? Bullshit! Now let us fight like samurai! And Ninja!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q489_RyryE
>after you win the real Benkei shows up, he gets terrified thinking he's a ghost and runs away
>>712449247No video? Nice cheats heh
>>712449412It makes perfect sense, aiming it is just using it whereas switching weapon is something that takes more consideration. Holding one button (the universal switch everything button at that) and then pressing another is still functionally one button in action.
>>712449851>No video? Nice cheats hehYou've got proof I've reached the end. Now it's your turn. I don't intend to wait, because I know I won't be seeing shit.
Newish player here, what are good skill combos with the fists ?
Ive been trying to get the passive running but its hard. Ive been doing strong, battering ram, light, clawing, and round house kick but I'm sure there's better
>>712405073How come everyone is family in this game? He's the father of princess Noh and also your father and also the father of your twin sister? And also your mother's husband? And also osa nobunaga's father in law?
>>712450146When you find the timing for Beyond Infinity, there's no going back.
>>712450146Pretty much all of them besides maybe 1 at a stretch. This is the answer for every weapon. Knifehand Strike is good for Ki damage, Fracture Foe and Kick Cycle are good allrounders, Opportunist is a preview for Nioh 3 deflecting. Don't overthink trying to keep Unbroken up, just try to use skills as you want them to, the value of being able to chain between them more easily is one that speaks for itself so as you get comfortable with that you'll naturally build stacks and then can work on keeping them up.
I never played Nioh 2, but in Nioh 1 I stacked up heavy armor and I know I was playing an easier game than most people because I had effectively like 4x as much HP and could block anything blockable, did that still work in 2?
I didn't fuck with spirit weapon or projectile immunity cheese but in my heart I knew it wasn't cool
>>712450337>And also your mother's husband?Anon, that's how it normally works. I'm sorry about your childhood.
>>712450085No. Aiming locks you down to a terrible camera and crawling speed. It's literally playing a different game.
Switching weapon is no issue for people who want to switch. And you could be carrying 2 same weapon for different elements.
>>712450128game still says I beat it haha
>>712450791Don't attacks use more Ki for armor tho?
>>712434723Sex with yokai women
>>712450791It's still generally the same thing, though you might have to take different methods to reach the same outcome. Life on Amrita Absorb sucked in 1 but is amazing in 2, for example.
>>712451074It doesn't lock you into it because you can go in and out of it instantly, it's intended to be a sideweapon you can immediately swap to when you have an opening and then go back to your weapon. There's also nothing wrong with the camera or movement speed as they facilitate aiming for longer in the situations you need it. It's also just very simple to swap weapon already.
>attack, stance switch flux, stance switch flux, dodge, dodge, attack, stance switch flux, stance switch flux, dodge, dodge, attack, stance switch flux, stance switch flux, dodge, dodge, attack, stance switch flux, stance switch flux, dodge, dodge,
>this isn't bloat btw
>>712451804>Life on Amrita Absorb sucked in 1 but is amazing in 2I had so much fun in dream of the demon with my amrita absorption build
>>712451817just don't play like that? Nobody else does
>>712433348Gozuki rams you and casts those evil blobs at you and is generally easier
which nioh has the better endgame?
>>712426610I mean that technically CAN happen. If you wear the heaviest and most bulkiest armor there is without investing into strength or stamina at all.
More weight of your gear in total = more stamina used on each action.
>>712402775 (OP)Does anyone have the pic comparing input complexity between Dark Souls, Nioh and Balan Wonderland?
>>712451730Yep, that also says I beat it.
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>>712452548>which nioh has the better endgame?Nioh 1 by a fucking mile. Better bosses, dual bosses, triple bosses for co-op. Nioh 2 is just bigger damage sponges that regenerate health if you don't constantly hit them.
I can load up Wo Long but I didn't complete the 1000 mile journey :(
>>712452817Why didn't PvP ever come back? It was in Nioh 1
>>712440713Nioh 2 needs an auto buff mod, like pathfinder
>>712452773Beautiful, thank you.
>>712452735Meh. This is PC, so you could have hacked your way to the top (I can be a asshole too).
>>712452919It came back in Wo Long. Probably the most invader-favored system since dark souls ptde
>no good games coming out before Nioh 3
It's gonna be a long 6+ months bros
>>712453160Damn, really? Guess I'll have to get Wo Long after all
>>712453230You're a bit late for multiplayer in that
>>712453081Nioh 2 is the easy one if you ask me
>>712402775 (OP)I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way
It feels like they over complicated a very good combat system built already around their NG work and basic souls conventions like stamina
It gets especially ridiculous when you start mixing weapon types because you pretty much have to learn entire new systems moving from something like 1kat to kusarigama
>>712452919>Why didn't PvP ever come back? It was in Nioh 1I never played it, but from what I have seen of it the builds are fixed and are more of an experiment. It wasn't popular, and no one was calling for its return.
>>712449725Oh you are the idiot sam/ninja style was made to pander to.
Only played Nioh 1, how does ninja mode work in 3? Can I finally ignore stances and Ki pulse with it?
Grug love hammer, Grug only play High Stance
>>712443008You play very slowly and passively, which is not something being forced by the game mechanics at least on Maria. Nioh 2 is really not very different to Nioh 1
You're still likely better than most of the people in this thread
Not the guy you're replying to btw
>>712453160I'm pretty sure I played it fully online on release and I barely ever got invaded
>>712453531I love Shuten Doji
>>712453362There was Strength PvP (your full builds anything goes) and Skill PvP (presets). It was laggy and bad
>>712453661sorry, I could only invade one poor soul at a time
>>712453378>everyone acts like Nioh is one of the best action games ever made>point out how its mechanics and controls prevent it from being as good as other action games>no actual argument from opposition, just ad hominemI accept your concession. Your gameplay is better than Souls but it'll never match Monster Hunter or Ninja Gaiden.
>>712453531>You play very slowly and passivelyI wouldn't say that. You see, I'm more interested in the dance with the enemies I fight. That way, I get a different experience with every boss. Railing on bosses is a one trick pony for all. Sure, there are differences, but they're very small. Railing on bosses isn't mentally stimulating for me. I feel like I'm in training mode doing the longest combos over and over again. If that's your thing, then good for you, but it isn't me.
>>712402775 (OP)>you have to press 5 buttons to do something other action games let you do in one pressbait. You can be stylish and have fun by simply mashing x and pressing lb when you need to. nioh is not that fucking complex, and no matter how many faleslag threads you make - you're convincing nobody.
for me, though? it's holding Y with tonfas and melting humanoid enemies
Bloodborne is better btw
>>712454052Then it's time Niohfags stop acting like it's as good as other action games.
>>712453926>Monster Hunterevery time I take a peek into its threads it's full of anons saying that the newest release is the worst thing ever and that the real Monster Hunter is a 12yo one released exclusively on Nintendo 3DS or something
>>712453932Knowing how to optimise damage within the guaranteed openings you are given is part of the dance
You are now trying to redefine effective gameplay as "Railing"
The reality is you have far more guaranteed openings to attack than you are actually using within that Maria clip and the reason you're not using them is that you're not confident at the fight
>>712454234more than good they're great
bitch
>>712454257>You are now trying to redefine effective gameplay as "Railing"No I am not. Even with effective gameplay you still have to rail. You have done Nioh 2's depths, you know you have to rail, otherwise the bosses start auto healing. This does not exist in Nioh 1. Please for the love of god stop denying this fact.
>>712454248Tendies will never recover from World
>enemy whiffs you
>lose 80% of HP
>you can't cut or dodge enemy grabs in low stance
>enemy spam 24/7 grabs
>Yokai are life sponges
>oh you want ki? let met put a fucking dark realm in your feet.
>humans do 90% of damage in one attack
>GAKIS
>RANGED ENEMIES EVERYWHERE!
>weapon diversity and armor diversity it's fucking garbage
>Underworld in Nioh 2 is x10 worse than Nioh 1
>Diablo 2 RNG items
>weapon skill trees don't have any fucking sense
>to be effective you need use 14+ buffs before fight the boss
>Nobunaga was the most chad of them.
>>712447124>>712447232If you kill him with dweller it also boosts drop rates!
>>712454447Please define "railing", because to me it sounds like you're upset that you have to actually actively engage the bosses
>>712454234It's complex for an ARPG, it has deep combat. I don't understand why Nioh gets compared to the Souls games outside of Team Ninja ripping off the difficulty aspect and bonfires, other than that, they're not the same. Souls games are more methodical and rely purely on reflex, Nioh instead has more character action like combat with massive combos and movelists.
Either way shut the fuck up, both of these series are god tier examples of action RPGs and you're a casual faggot if you dislike either one.
>>712454316so if something that has to be played at 15fps with clunky controls is the best action games ever according to autists I'd rather be a pleb and stick to the "mediocre" Nioh
>>712454706>massive combos and movelistsUh yeah lemme just uh...
>X X X X X X X X X ki Flux X X X X X
>>712454610Railing is going overboard with attacks nonstop. The aim of the game in the depths is to keep hitting, constantly destroying stamina/anima by using yokai abilities and flux so you never stop. Railing is the optimal way.
However, there is one other way you can do that doesn't require railing as such and that's the onmyo build. But as I said earlier, that's boring and ignores the main tools of the game, which are the weapons.
>>712454447So you are SPECIFICALLY complaining that the healing on bosses in post game content prevents you from playing slowly but you have turned this into an entire off topic rant and concluded
>>712442339>Nioh 1 doesn't have a railing on enemies and is why I consider it a totally different game to Nioh 2
>>712454859>"yeah lemme just talk about shit I don't understand real quick lol"Every MH game is good. I was asking what the opinions of autists on /v/ matter for? Also 4U on the 3DS is great, played it on PC using Citra with perfect controls.
You know what I want more of RotR combat.
I want pulse and flux to depend on a fillable meter. More of it you have more of stamina you get back with pulse. Flux doesn't just give you more stamina but also provides special attacks. Switching weapons after pulse provides a special attack and cancel.
But most importantly its the same meter you use for higher tier of skills (think anima and yokai skills) it fills up easily but it is still a choice, do you want stamina right now or a stupidly strong attack.
This simple fix will make combat way better.
>>712454957How about
hold y to dash in with a strong attack > x x x y y > lb > x y y lb > dash away > switch stance lb + A > x x x x flux > block lt press x while holding > look, i can go on forever.
What's wrong with that? are you mad that it has buttons for attack? lmfao. you're gay and your ''argument'' is worthless. next you'll tell me mario 3 is shit because it uses a button for jumping.
>>712453356but you can play the game exactly like the dark souls stamina by ignoring the pulse mechanic
>>712422902Kusarigama is my weaponfu.
>>712455189>Every MH game is goodfake fan!
shitposting aside I always thought that the gameplay of MH looked really fun but I find everything else about it really off-putting for some reason, just a subjective thing. Instead I do regret never picking up NG and I plan to play the old games before 4 releases, Black on Xemu is the best option for the first one right?
>>712455445>strong attack > x x x y y > lb > x y y lb > dash away > switch stance lb + A > x x x x flux > block lt press x while holding >Can I press autobattle instead?
>>712455015>So you are SPECIFICALLY complaining that the healing on bosses in post game content prevents you from playing slowlyNO! I have already explained that it's multiple factors:
1. Excessive damage sponge enemies/bosses (and this is throughout the entire game, but gets more extreme towards the end).
2. The auto healing in the depths in conjunction with three bosses in a row is tedious.
3. Changes to the mechanics of weapons from Nioh 1 make Nioh 2 less interesting (and I completed the depths before I even played Nioh 1's DLC, or the abyss, or finding out about combos I could do to grounded human bosses who have had their stamina knocked out).
So imagine my situation of doing all of Nioh 2, then going back to Nioh 1, playing the DLC and the Abyss for the first time and then loving the hell out of it over Nioh 2. I can't stand the sequel when Nioh 1 does everything I enjoy. The only thing I miss from Nioh 2 are the new weapons and skills for returning weapons. I can't tell you how much I miss the horizontal sheath attack followed by vertical attack of 1kat. Fucking love that move.
>>712455687Now that E33 is popular - no. Sorry jrpg fag, it looks like you may have to actually play games for once instead of watching them.
>>712455687Relink 2 when? The first one wasn't the greatest of action RPGs but it was still mad fun + I love granblue
>>712455660Yeah typically Black would be the best starting point and then the regular version of 2 on the 360 emulator, I can't remember the name of it.
If you ever want to give MH a try I'd recommend Tri on Dolphin with the fan server, MHGU on Ryubing, or World with the ICE mod.
>>712455445What weapon in Nioh 1 allows you to switch between light and heavy attacks without removing the stamina from the light attacks from the ki pulse?
>>712455998thanks mate, I'll save this post. Sorry for being an ass earlier, I was in a trolling mood but that quickly dissipated
>>712456152No worries, I apologize for my rude tone as well :)
>>712438915I don't really mind. what I do mind is all the soul core yokai abilities are "send a nigga out to attack in place" instead of the cool ones in nioh 2 that transform your character or let you cast a spell. like no, I don't want to see the kappa out of pokeball to attack in place, I want my character to gain a kappa shell and spin around like a madman, but the protagonist this time isn't a shifling, so I guess it wouldn't make sense.
>>712456135only Odachi I believe
Whens it dropping so I can book a week off work and send the wife and kids away
I am not surprised that 4chan casuals are against mechanics that make nioh nioh, might as well ask to remove stances and different attack inputs next and make it 1:1 to dark souls
>>712456721Early 2026, probably february-march like the previous ones
Any wo long bros ?
Did it do anything right ?
>>712402775 (OP)The bat bitch filtered me. She continually one shot me and swept across the map
>>712455660The Master Collection is the best overall method as well as being the easiest to get into it has the best versions of each game including the first game which you're asking about, minus arguably S2 because of the existence of 2Black. The original 2 is a unique if flawed experience that can be worth checking out but both S2 and 2 Black have mods to replicate it anyway. You can't really go wrong as long as you're actually playing the series.
>>712456967I liked the parry meter thing, it was cool
>>712455865>webm>ninja cheat death transfers into getting anti-aired and instantly dyingI just recently started playing and this is also my experience with enemies and bosses
>>712455659Do people know that you get a guaranteed sweep off of the timed block parry in Kusarigama? Like block parry, sweep, finishing blow, totally guaranteed on sweepable enemies that don't have some form of super armor. There's some kind of cooldown on sweep working so you can't do it over and over but every 10? seconds or so it comes back and you can do it again. I always felt really cool doing that.
>>712456967Morale bar instead of stamina/ki was an improvement, as was the jump when it comes to traversing levels (kinda useless in combat still)
>>712457054*it's slightly more involved than it sounds because you have to buffer stance switches in between moves to have access to the correct specials
>>712457035>ninja cheat death transfers into getting anti-aired and instantly dyingThat only happens if you press a button while falling as the action causes you to lose your invincibility frames. Yes, that includes pressing the block button.
>>712422902I DON'T FUCKING HAVE ONE BECAUSE IN BOTH GAMES THERE ARE DOJO MISSIONS FOR EACH WEAPON BEING MASTERED SO I USE THEM ALL EQUALLY AND IT TICKLES MY AUTISM IF I DO THAT BUT IT ALSO TICKLES MY AUTISM IF I DON'T AND I'VE HAD THIS FEELING BOTTLED UP INSIDE ME FOR TWO WHOLE ASS GAMES AND THEIR DLCS SO I'M CAPS LOCKING TO LET IT ALL OUT
>>712457575The dojo missions are legit my favourite
>no yokai abilities>no item fluffIt helps that the wooden weapon sound effects are my favourite
>>712456967It did plenty right, much that people don't recognize whether they claim to like the game or not.
>>712453160Wo Long PvP was legit super fun, kind of surprising it never took off. The only major problem I have with it is that martial arts are completely useless because if it gets parried you just get raped
>>712451804Aiming and shooting takes forever. It's nowhere near immediately. If you played any shooter, you would know how bad ranged weapon is in Nioh. It's intentional because ranged weapon deal huge damage. But it also made ranged weapon clunky. It's not part of fluent combat.
>>712456967I haven't played it but so far I noticed all the shitting on recent TN games to be completely false when I played them for myself so I'm inclined to believe it's probably a good game save for normal TN bullshit like poor optimization
>>712452919PvP is back in Nioh 3.
There's a sale going on on Steam for these kinds of games that I'm enjoying, should I get any of the Ninja Gaiden games, Rise of the Ronin, or Sekiro?
>>712458242All the games you just listed are very good
>>712422902Tonfa, always.
>>712456568I tried using Odachi in 1 but got mad the base game didn't have any legendary Odachi since it was added in the dlc
>>712455865When Nioh 1 lets you kill endgame bosses in less than a minute through a single exchange ignoring 80% of the systems, anything will feel like a damage sponge especially when you don't act to create a build on par with the one you had. The auto healing is very slow and stops for several seconds if you hit the boss with anything.
By mechanics, you mean the Iai loop. There is one large change to humans in Nioh 2 compared to 1 that you have never once brought up, that would actually be a point to consider, but you will never notice it because you are so focused on numbers wank. Which is not a playstyle, because your playstyle is fully catered to in Nioh 2, you just don't win as fast and as mindlessly as you want to using it, since you actually need to "dance" with the enemy consistently now.
>>712458242Rise of Ronin if you want 19th century assassin's creed in Japan done right and objectively superior parryslop to Sekiro.
>>712454570Will Capcom ever recover from World though?
>>712454248Actually the real one is a 22 year old PSP release
How long is left on the demo for 3?
>>712458573stopping the auto healing requires a grapple or burst counter akshually it isn't about damage uptime
>>712458607Capcom got a taste of money and now wilds is what you get. Though as someone who started on 3u, risebreak is my favourite monhun. At times it reminds me of nioh with how expressive the combat is
I got 10 hours in and got bored
>>712458784ah the fools who kept spamming at negative morale
>>712458242Ninja Gaiden, get the master collection. Ronin is good if you want an open world.
Sekiro is diarrhea dogshit
>>712456967It did so many right things that Team Ninja added them into Nioh 3.
>>712458573>By mechanics, you mean the Iai loop.STOP SPAMMING THIS FUCKING HORSESHIT ABOUT ME RIGHT NOW! I have videos showing exactly the playstyle I do, and I have explained multiple times that the dance with bosses is what I really like about Nioh 1. You're the biggest fucking liar and gaslighter I have ever come across, and with all the explanations in this thread and videos showing how I play, everyone else can see you're a massive liar.
>>712458107No it doesn't. You can fire your bow less than half a second after you draw it, and if you let go immediately after firing you skip the animation for nocking another arrow making it even faster.
>If you played any shooterDo you honestly think this is a good example to make? Shooters have very limited melee options in comparison because they are entirely based on the gunplay, which is why they control entirely differently with that aiming state being the default. In those games melee is treated as a side weapon alongside your guns, which is why it similarly is tied to a single button and has little options to it but is also easy to access. Actually spend a little time in the Nioh dojo drawing your bow and see just how quickly you can have access to it, fire it, and dodge out, especially with the Bow Speed Up effect. It wouldn't even be so good as a sheathe cancel method if it wasn't so responsive and easy to use.
>>712455962I can only hope. Relink 1 was a cool proof of concept, now if they make it more expansive and with more involved movesets so that everyone isn't braindead to play that'd be a real winner. There's potential in there
>>712458725No, just a hit causes it as well. Grapples/Burst Counters remove the curse which it is tied to meaning the healing gets removed for an even longer time period, but just landing a hit removes the healing part specifically for a short moment. They patched the game for this to be even more prominent.
>>712458491Smokebomb item description
>>712458107Just get bow speed up or cannon speed up and auto target weakpoints
>let's make open world nioh
hell yeah
>without any optimization and as bloated as possible
NOOOOOOOO
>>712459189The same description from Nioh 2?
>>712458879Disagree on sekiro but master collection on steam is relatively decent. You can get black mods for sigma 1 and 2 at least
>>712456967Fists are great, the DLC spells are amazing (fucking RETARDED to make them RNG drops though). DLC also has some of the best bosses TN has ever done (Taishi Ci and Gan Ning) FUCK yuan shu though
>>712459004Looper going loopy when faced with the truth lmao
>>712459015Do you have autoaim? How do you fire in 0.5 second?
>>712459015>Shooters have very limited melee optionsPlay TPS.
>>712456967Some weapons were fun to use.
everyone shut the fuck up I'm going in
>>712458707Ends on the 19th so plenty of time to mess around still, it's not that huge.
>>712459358making your own custom stance setup is so cool i was hoping they would have brought that into nioh 3
>>712459590It's great but the melee is a single button that instantly drains all your stamina so there's almost no point to use it lol
>>712457119I'm surprised they never made a Neco Arc edit of her
>>712459451I'm saving my response for the future just so they can see there are Nioh 2 fags here who are just trolls. See you next time.
>>712459637wait a minute this isn't a dance this is anal sex
>>712459458The game itself autoaims towards whatever target you're locked on, adjusting aim if needed takes only a moment longer but often isn't necessary except for enemies that are slower anyway like Rokurokubi. There is also an effect to make it start aiming at their weakpoint but that's less impactful than it sounds. Seriously just spend some time practicing it, you'll be surprised at what it offers, using the bow in combat is one of the most deadly yet underrated tools and it's silly for how accessible it is.
>>712459551I have. They're never going to be comparable to melee focused action games, that's not saying anything against them because obviously they're focused on many other aspects. It's a ridiculous point of comparison but the melee in those games is largely straightforward to use on the surface with some more depth in how you can apply it alongside your guns, which is how Nioh ranged weapons work if you flip their positions.
>>712459973Saves everyone else doing it, now they can see your delusions and projection in real time. You should stay on Twitter and Reddit if you want your ego stroked for spreading misinformation and never be challenged on the obvious bullshit and samefagging you spread.
>>712460059I will never use bow in combat until they make it satisfying to use.
>>712460059Not a tps but Nier Automata is good in both aspects.
>>712460230It's your call to make, but it's already very satisfying, I keep using the Rokurokubi example because it's the perfect one for it, almost every attack they do gives you a window to draw and snipe their head for a free knockdown, and learning how to position and time yourself to get it feels amazing.
>>712459445Didn't Nioh already have RNG spells? IIRC the Inferno Ninpo is a random drop
>>712460195Why do you seem like the more retarded poster here?
>>712459358Funnily enough wouldn't Nioh 3 be basically RotR with a Nioh-Hayabusa stance setup?
>>712460778Yes, it's basically an extension of the skill text dropping system, though arguably better because the same spells can drop from multiple bosses so you can pick who to fight for them. Drop rates will always be a bitch however. Also Yuan Shu is a fantastic boss.
>>712460849I believe "delusions and projection" should answer your question for you. You'll have to get some self-awareness one day.
>>712461149You're admitting you're delusional?
>>712461149That's someone else btw.
>>712428915>It is not a different game at endgame...unfortunately
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