Thread 712404461

>Soulslikes shouldn't have difficulty settings because it ruins the shared experience of the game because not everyone is playing on the same field
>Killing bosses from 50 feet away by waving a stick and having summons tank the boss so you literally don't have to dodge a single attack is perfectly fine though
I cannot think of a more retarded fanbase in gaming than Fromfags. You just know that 99% of the people screeching whenever the topic of adding difficulty options to these games gets brought up play them by searching "most op Elden Ring builds" or "how to become op in 15 minutes" videos on YouTube.

it's a somewhat valid take, but Elden Ring is just a gay game

>>712404461 (OP)
Most people don't play like this anyway, and the people who do are either women (lol), faggots (lol) or becoming one of those soon

Also
>ENVtuber
checks out these people are garbage at everything

>>712404461 (OP)
easier playstyles like magic and summons ARE difficulty options, better ones than a stupid slider at that

>>712404461 (OP)
>it ruins the shared experience of the game because not everyone is playing on the same field
Why not just have subsequent difficulties that unlock as you beat the easier ones so that people who want a more challenging experience can get one during replays and people who just want to see what the game is about don't have to get pulverized?

You know like in Sekiro.

>>712404461 (OP)
>fromfags are retarded - vtuber obsessed retard
pot meet kettle.

>>712404461 (OP)
Are you retarded? You are making the best argument for why difficulty settings aren't needed in souls.

>>712404461 (OP)
kronii sexo

>>712407304
Sekuro has a single playstyle, it is not an rpg.

>>712404461 (OP)
Summoning phantoms IS a difficulty setting, retard.

>>712404461 (OP)
Kronii won legitimately, seethe.

Elden Ring Margit Leaderboard

Elden Lord of EN
>Kronii, level 9, 9 minutes

Gamers of EN
>Cecilia Immergreen, Level 16, 15 minutes
>Koseki Bijou, level 10, 22 minutes
>Nimi Nightmare, level 13, 22 minutes

Non gamers of EN
>IRyS, level 13, 62 minutes
>Ame, level 24 , 105 minutes
>Ina, level 18, 135 minutes
>Mori, level 25, 143 minutes
>Kiara, level 19, 172 minutes

>>712404461 (OP)
Personally I had an easier time killing Margit with a melee build than a magic one but I didn't use summons against him. ER bosses in general felt pretty difficult to kill with anything other than the faster pebble spells and the sword spells because everything else takes so long to complete that you get smacked out of the animation before it finishes no matter how you time it. Magic is ridiculous outside of boss rooms though, at least as long as you have BIG ROCKS to hit everything that auto-dodges instant projectiles.

>>712410216
But that's not Henya

>>712404461 (OP)
kronii's big giant korean tits would have defeated margit by themselves.

>>712404461 (OP)
kronii's huge tits

Sex with the clock

>>712404461 (OP)
>is perfectly fine though
which part of "if you summoned, you didnt beat the game" and "git gud" do you not understand

>>712404461 (OP)
>>712411489
>>712412336
>>712413286
>>712413304
>>712413369
Based Kronii chads on /v/

one day...

>>712413658
NO FAUNAPOSTING, ONLY NIMI

It's funny how Nightreign filters the shit out of people who got carried by summons for every boss.

>>712413798
Is there PvP in Nightreign? or is just you and 2 bros collecting loot and killing bosses trying to beat the jew gas?

>>712413798
*picks revenant*
now what

>>712404461 (OP)
why is "screeching" always the go-to word when referring to people saying something you don't agree with?

>>712413880
> or is just you and 2 bros collecting loot and killing bosses trying to beat the jew gas?
This, except it's jew oven

>>712413967
What's the point if theres no other players you're trying to beat?

>>712413892
I don't think your skeleton is going to kill the boss for you without you even needing to play.

>boss can spam attacks but you didn't beat the game if you spam attacks
Fuck Fromfags

>>712404461 (OP)
git gud

>>712404461 (OP)
yeah Souls always had easy mode - summons
still somehow filters retards and gamejournoshills

>>712404461 (OP)
at the time Demons Souls came out, checkpoint systems have reached their peak density in video games. Demons Souls having "checkpoints" only between stages (meaning if you fail you need to restart the stage) made it a fresh experience. Same goes for the first Dark Souls game where most checkpoints before bosses weren't exactly close the boss, you had to keep repeating the same annoying death runs if you failed. They went back on that in DS2 and forward

They never were very hard games but they had elements that most gamers at the time weren't expecting, thus giving them a learning curve, making them "hard" for new players

>>712407059
no they are not better, they are worse by a mile because they play the game for you robbing players or any enjoyment

souls games aren't that hard. you must be pretty fucking retarded to not be able to have the easy experience you want from either the magic builds, summoning, or just over leveling your character.

>>712404461 (OP)
when i saw kronii do that, i knew i finally had something to shup up the mouth of my friend that said magic required skill

>>712404461 (OP)
>Soulslikes shouldn't have difficulty settings because it ruins the shared experience of the game because not everyone is playing on the same field
>Killing bosses from 50 feet away by waving a stick and having summons tank the boss so you literally don't have to dodge a single attack is perfectly fine though
That's exactly the thing, the player builds their own difficulty by choosing their weapons and stategies instead of touching magical world controls that make everything deal less damage. One player can say they had trouble on this boss so they cheesed him with summons and magic, while another is good so he did it at level 1. The experience presented by the game to both those players was exactly the same, but their difference in skills allowed them to use different strategies to overcome a challenge.
Meanwhile, with difficulty levels, a player who's having too much trouble can just touch that magical control and get an entirely different experience from anyone not playing on that same easy mode. They're now playing a completely different game. Nothing they say about their playthrough is worth anything because they didn't even play the game the producers wanted them to enjoy.

>>712412336
nimi is not from holo remove her

>>712415523
>devs make difficulty toggles
>but you're not supposed to use them because _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
the classic Myth of Consensual playthrough I see

>>712413658
Does notKronii even stream?

>>712415523
i think op is kinda right, the experience is already different if you use those things.

the biggest advantage of having difficulty in the form of summons/bell/magic is that people can say i beat X boss and not feel bad about it because he didnt lower the diffculty.
with summons and magic people can cope saying "is in the game so is fair" while if the game had easy and normal difficulties people would feel really bad for lowering the difficulty and many would prefer to stop playing the game before having to lower the difficulty.

now if we had difficulty sliders it would allow shit players to use all the builds not limiting them to only the baby mode magic or easy hyper armor perma stun quintillion dmg unga bunga, and good players could use magic as their first playthrough and not feel like they are cheating because magic would be balanced to be fair.

>>712404461 (OP)
>I cannot think of a more retarded fanbase in gaming than Fromfags.
Hot take

>>712415685
>this whore is not in the whoreclub remove her
why do you care?

>>712416234
If a game's dev adds difficulty options, it means he thinks you aren't good enough to play their game in its original difficulty. Are you so much of a cuck that you'll take that insult without even trying to prove them wrong?

Kronii knows how to govern her fandom with a steady hand.

>>712416704
if she was only a whore that would be fine but she is a greedy traitor

>>712416381
only saw once her with notSana watching Sonic the movie 3 together

>>712407304
>Why not just have subsequent difficulties that unlock as you beat the easier ones so that people who want a more challenging experience can get one during replays and people who just want to see what the game is about don't have to get pulverized?
I want the game to be "about" beating a challenging experience. I don't understand these people who say they "just want to see the rest of the game". Go watch it in youtube, you're not actually experiencing it if you don't beat its challenges. Same weird club as people who look up solutions in puzzle games.

>>712412336
Kronii is also the strongest member in Holo EN.

>>712404461 (OP)
I think the worst part of this video is that the chat will unironically praise her

>>712416381
What the fuck is notKronii, she have an alt?

>>712404461 (OP)
I think the best part of this video is the fromsoft fags unironically being butthurt for her good gameplay

>>712416234
funny enough I picked Lies of P and put on easy mode just to have fun breaking shit up without a care about challenge

>>712417139
her alt is dottovuu

>>712404461 (OP)
>We need more blindfolds in rollercoasters because some people find them too scary!
>We need more stale porridge in our chili restaurants because some people find the food too hot!

>>712417301
>food analogy
brooooooo and you had it

>>712404461 (OP)
Fromfags defend a lot. Nightreign could be a great game, but it has some major flaws that people will screech at you for attacking:
>Any boss that sits there and does nothing to you as you hit its side is shit
>Any boss that runs away from you constantly and/or spams AOE attacks (almost) all fight is shit
>The roguelite elements are shit
>Relic acquisition being a gacha is shit
>Having only one map is shit
>Despite having 4 games to pull from, the enemy variety is shit
6/10 game. At least it doesn't run like shit.

As far as difficulty goes, it's whatever. I don't want an easier mode, but the coming night bosses will effectively be a hard mode. The main thing you lose in a game by not incorporating multiple difficulties is that you'll never be able to make a game that challenges the more dedicated and skilled of your fanbase and keeps them invested. If the -tide games didn't have higher difficulties (and I'd love Darktide to get modded Damnation because Havoc 40 was fucking tedious last time I played it), I wouldn't have played them as much as I have.

>>712407059
>better
Disagree. If one is too easy/hard for someone, they won't play it. That hurts replayability and the overall user experience, especially if someone really wanted to enjoy that playstyle. There needs to be a balance between playstyles. They don't have to be on the exact same level, but it needs to be reasonable. There's a reason so many people crutch on Ironeye, and so long as they play with damage fallof in mind, they're still able to contribute significantly.

>>712417298
>dottovuu
thanks fren

>>712417301
You know many restraurant have chicken nuggets and fries on their menu regardless of cuisine? That's their easy mode.

>>712404461 (OP)
But soulslikes do have difficulty options by letting you grind and provide OP builds.
It's just cope for rollsloppers to not acknowledge them as such to uphold the myth about beating a "hard" game.
Don't misunderstand me, it's completely fine to do this, but like sticking to meta in multiplayer games it's just an easy mode with extra steps to pick.

>>712404461 (OP)
>cannot think of a more retarded fanbase
Vtumor simps like you especially simps for retarded sjw whores like kroni

>>712416381
she constantly likes and retweets fanart, even really bad ones

>>712417861
KKKKKKKRRRRRRROOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Supposedly Kronii is sexy irl, at least all the other girls say she looks like a kpop idol. They also mention the sexy Italiano Raora is a shortstack with fat tits.

>>712419278
>maybe if I watch the vtuber she will have sex with me irl
I might be borderline retarded (82iq tested), but you are an actual idiot and I feel like a genius compared to you.

Thank you for making me feel better about my lot in life.

>>712419392
When did I ever say I wanted to have sex with them, im just glad they aren't ham planets or men

>>712419491
It's implied you are caught in the thirst trap and want to orbit. Anyone else who reads this statement >>712419278
would agree.

Again, thank you. Usually I am a little upset by being almost retarded, but then I am reminded there are a lot of much more stupid and hopeless men out there. Keep it up, you are improving my self-esteem.

>>712419629
This is the only tuber I'm trying to pound

>>712419629
Schizo

>>712407059
What if magic isn't fun for the player and they want to use a heavy sword

>>712420202
trainer / artmoney

>>712404461 (OP)
Nobody actually uses magic in these games, it's a beginners trap to pad out item pickups and leads people to either uninstall or reset out of sheer boredom.

>>712404461 (OP)
>"most op Elden Ring builds"
The webm you posted is literally a starting class using a default spell provided from the get-go and a mechanic that is basically the first thing introduced once you start the game. This isn't some epin leet gameplay to seethe over, literally any player who pays attention to the game's introductory area can use these mechanics, especially spirit ashes.

If you specifically ignore the most basic shit the game gives you and then seethe at random other people for actually using mechanics then you deserve nothing more than to stew in your own retardation. Yes retard, it is fine to use the game's mechanics, everyone has access to them.