https://wccftech.com/new-report-details-dragon-age-the-veilguards-troubled-development-and-how-eas-attempt-to-turn-bioware-into-a-live-service-studio-plagued-the-game-all-the-way-to-launch/

>>712446719 (OP)
This is the
>Go woke, gro br- err, top the charts
Guy, saying that Veilguard was topping the charts to own the chuds.

And I know you all already know this.

>>712446719 (OP)
Nah I think the tranny stuff plagued the game

I can't be arsed reading the article, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that it goes into great detail on all the many failures the game had and /v/ is gonna be mad that it's not just saying "Get woke, go broke"

>>712446719 (OP)
Let me guess, another damage control and running cover for AAA companies by this worthless jew

>>712446719 (OP)
Lmao this faggot got so much mockery on Xitter that he locked his account and fled to a Bluesky hugbox where everyone tells him he's right. That will never stop being funny to me.

>>712446719 (OP)
Subversive jewish shill who has been proven to run damage control for "good" corporations and admitted to suppressing politically inconvenient journalism is now covering for EA and progressive developers by blaming the biggest flop in EA history on "management" and not the fact it was made by and for transvestites with multiple transsexual characters who educate the player in cutscenes about sexuality.

>>712446863
>Dragon Age team had immediate plans for a darker, more dense game that would take the series back towards DA:O and away from being openworld
>EA told them they had to make a live-service multiplayer game instead after they already started pre-production
>Leadership openly told them they had no idea how to do this but were forced to try anyway
>After years of flailing at it trying to make it work and pivoting towards the snarky MCU dialogue and all-action route EA wanted for mass appeal they get sidetracked helping to try get Anthem out the door
>After that flops and months of more problems they are finally given permission to make a SP Dragon Age game... and less than 18 months to finish it
>Only option is to try salvage their MP train crash into an SP game but playtesters keep telling them it's shit and they hate the dialogue and lack of choices
>Beg EA for an extension and get a tiny one, crunch like mad trying to add more choices and serious scenes but then the VA strike happens and they can't record dialogue freely anymore for all the cast
>Mass Effect leads are given control and the leadership of DA are fired, they basically just crunch and stick to what was already there to finish it in time after one last delay despite the remaining DA team really wanting to use the extra time to rewrite it more
>Game releases, fanbase mostly hates it and wider audience doesn't care it exists
They really were just absolutely fucked over by EA and the other teams at Bioware in the end.

>>712447226
he's covering for the devs and blaming EA

>>712446872
>>712447226
>Calling EA utterly incompetent is running damage control for them
You're just mad it doesn't align with your GWGB narrative

>>712447320
he's literally doing that, the game failed because it was outrageously woke just like concord. cope more.

>>712447313
Sounds about right for EA. I believe it. The culture war tards don't want to read this, though, they just want to read "Game was too woke"
Thanks for the breakdown.

>>712447320
This article is a literal goldmine of quotes about how shit EA is and how they ruined Bioware and /v/ermin too stupid to read it are assuming it is trying to defend them

The primary issue is the writing which can’t be attributed to publisher meddling. It was 100% the handiwork of the troons and femoids at Bioware that set the tone to disaster.

the kike also did damage control for blizzard as long as he could

>>712447430
You're a complete fucking retard and will never amount to anything in your miserable life. This is me running damage control for you, btw.

>>712447320
>>712447459
>>712447461
>>712447574
EA and Bioware are literally the same, same company same people and same ideology, it's a rat's nest of woke subhumans pointing fingers at each other and being incapable of taking responsibility for their actions

>>712447535
The article literally explains the MCU tier writing was because EA wanted it to appeal to a mass audience and not just DA fans and then when the team were told it was shit by playtesters the VA strike and consistent lack of time given to them stopped them from being able to change the tone to something more DA because they just couldn't do a whole new main quest from scratch or even re-record all the dialogue.

And apparently that dogshit reveal trailer was also done entirely by EA's marketing department and horrified the team as well.

>>712447535
Old /v/
>EA FUCKING SUCKS
Nu-/v/
>LEAVE THE CORPO ALONE, IT'S MUH WOOOKEEEEEE
This board will never recover from 2012-2014

>>712447313
>nooo EA ruined it!
But everything about the game is atrocious. Even if they had 18 months of crunch to finish it, even if the staff were all jeets, why is the writing the most awful tumblr slop imaginable?

While it's fine to blame EA for some issues, a game being half-baked or torn between two worlds, that wasn't the case with this garbage. Everyone involved with it deserves to go to hell.

>>712447313
>>712447320
>>712447459
>>712447461
Yeah I'm sure this had nothing to do with it. EA bad, jew good amirite.

>>712447741
the only ones defending EA are the gamingcirclejerk SJW faggots like you

>>712447741
The ultimate irony being that if modern /v/ had the capacity to create OC, the new>>712447741
comic would be begging for this to happen.

>>712447313
>After years of flailing at it trying to make it work and pivoting towards the snarky MCU dialogue and all-action route EA wanted for mass appeal they get sidetracked helping to try get Anthem out the door
I can very confidently say no publisher goes to their dev team and tells them "we need more marvel quip slop". Not even EA is that heavy-handed in micromanaging, especially if it's not tied to their bottom line as the writing itself doesn't have any monetization tied to it. That's 100% on the shitty writers themselves and the writing was the biggest detractor of the game by far.

>>712446719 (OP)
Yeah... no, I don't think EA attempting to turn it into a live service is what killed it.

-ke

>>712446719 (OP)
Yeah, he’s wrong. It’s squarely the fault of incompetent creatives who didn’t have what it takes to measure up and deliver a good product. Since that’s unironically how it is 99% of the time when not memeing

>>712447430
Game looked like a cartoon for 9 year olds. I didn't even get past that to discover any outrageously woke stuff. It's supposed to be a dark-fantasy franchise, not a Disney product.

>>712447574
Hi troon :)

>>712447741
I've seen more than enough "nooo the big publisher iz keeping us down we need more monies for dem projects" with Bungie and Obsidian, I don't believe those niggers anymore

>One day in October 2017, Laidlaw summoned his colleagues into a conference room and pulled out a few pricey bottles of whisky. The next Dragon Age sequel, he told the room, would also be pivoting to an online, live-service game — a decision from above that he disagreed with. He was resigning from the studio. The assembled staff stayed late through the night, drinking and reminiscing about the franchise they loved.
>“I wish that pivot had never occurred,” Darrah would later recount on YouTube. “EA said, ‘Make this a live service.’ We said, ‘We don’t know how to do that. We should basically start the project over.’”

>Worried that Dragon Age could face the same outcome as Forspoken — a recent title that had been hammered over its impertinent banter — BioWare leaders ordered a belated rewrite of the game’s dialogue to make it sound more serious.
>A mass layoff at BioWare and a mandate to work overtime depleted morale while a voice actors strike limited the writers’ ability to revise the dialogue and create new scenes. An initial trailer made the next Dragon Age seem more like Fortnite than a dark fantasy role-playing game, triggering concerns that EA didn’t know how to market the game.

yeah this all makes EA sound really great

>>712447741
EA sucks donkey dicks and so does Bioware. I’ve seen the things that are employed there, I know where the fault lies. Pic rel, was a thing 13 years ago but you weren’t here to remember it.

>>712446719 (OP)
veilguard doomed itself by being fucking shit and retarded.
>>712446839
yeah but he admittedly said that just to make the chuds mad and he failed miserably

Oy vey it wasn't subversive woke politics that screwed Veilguard it was CAPITALISM

>this switch came in 2021
They had three years to make it less trash, they actively chose to write this piece of shit.
French FF started development in 2020, they really don't have an excuse.

>>712448061
hebrew necklace btw

>>712446719 (OP)
Tl;Dr it was all EAs fault, they wanted it to be a live service game but changed their minds so all the time spent on the project was taashed, sorry, trashed, with little to no time for a redo
>after all the issues The Veilguard had. What it comes down to, and what those who Schreier spoke to point to as the root of The Veilguard's problems, is how the game flip-flopped from starting development as a live-service, multiplayer-focused project, and shifting to a single-player game in its final years of development.
>Other elements of The Veilguard's multiplayer origins, like its reportedly very snarky dialogue tone, were changed in a rush state, specifically in response to the negative reception Forspoken got for its dialogue.
>The few major narrative choices players get to make in The Veilguard had to be "shoehorned" in, because for years BioWare had been making a multiplayer game that's not meant to have the kinds of decisions that can drastically change one person's experience from another's.
>All together, what happened with The Veilguard is another example of executives falling head-over-heels for live service games, and the dream of having their own Fortnite-sized money-making machine. There was plenty to like and dislike about the final version of The Veilguard that we got, but it's worth imagining what the game would have been like, if EA had never tried to force BioWare to make a multiplayer Dragon Age game in the first place

Personally, I call it bullshit.
The snarky dialogue, the "HR department in the room", the lecturing and talking about, the purple color, "so I'm non-binary", the bad gameplay, and the lack of the promised "dark fantasy" story were not demands by EA, the team chose to do this. Before people even knew all of this shit the reveal trailer already was on the negatives with thousands of dislikes from VIBES ONLY. You can EA, or influencers, or internet haters/trolls all you want, but people already knew the game was shit before it.

>>712447313
Is this the third or fourth time that EA fucks over Bioware?

>>712447789
>But everything about the game is atrocious. Even if they had 18 months of crunch to finish it, even if the staff were all jeets, why is the writing the most awful tumblr slop imaginable?
Because they were making a live-service slop MP game for CoD players that think Avengers Endgame is the height of cinema and then had to try make that into a singleplayer game on a tight deadline while getting laid off, not given resources to change big chunks of it (until the ME leads came in), and facing a VA strike that made it difficult to redo dialogue

>>712447313
>>EA is trend chasing and dicks over devs
Shocking, just fucking shocking.
Even with that in mind, they still need to explain the woke shit.

>>712446719 (OP)
While I do agree admitting you’re wrong is the worst thing you can possibly do continuing to double down on something after being blown the fuck out instead of moving on and pretending it never happened is almost just as bad.

>>712448061
I was there, I remember it and I remember how everyone decided to blame her for everything. Not EA but her, you defended a billion dollar company

>>712447726
Right, so ea forced the tranny devs to write this.

>>712448275
>DA2 got rushed
>ME3 got rushed
>Inquisition got rushed and forced to use an engine not suited for making an RPG
>Andromeda wasn't exactly rushed because the team wasted years on developing procedural generation tech thinking they could basically do a huge openworld on multiple planets and then told to cut their losses and just release a fucking game
>Anthem was actually entirely their own fault and the only thing people liked, the flying, was kept because an EA exec asked why the fuck it got cut when it was the best part of the trailer
>Veilguard got mauled like three different ways by EA
yeah they've had a rough time under them

>>712448230
Dunno why you'd call bullshit given EA is notorious for running studios into the ground and they already pushed Bioware's face into the GAAS mud with Anthem. Every big publisher was chasing Fortnite money, so the Fortnite-ification of DA does not surprise me one bit.

The only fault EA has apart from funding the creation of this turd is not killing Bioware after anthem flopped.
Kikes running this type of damage control for wokeslop is certainly going to increase the chances of that.

>>712448330
>facing a VA strike that made it difficult to redo dialogue
They recorded that dialogue in the first place.

Legitimately, there is zero possible excuse for it. Even as placeholder fucking text for scene pacing. You can argue the gameplay was worse because of the crunch, it's not a valid point. The game died on the story, and the story was always there. The story would've been there if it was a live service slop title, and it was there when they made it into a flop of an RPG too.

>>712447430
>>712447815
How do you explain pic related, then? No chud has ever been able to give a satisfying counter to this. I still remember the threads where people posted the picture of the black woman from the reveal trailer as clear as day.

>>712448595
Fellas is fortnite woke?
I don't recall a single "So I'm nonbinary" line in fortnite

>>712447879
EA literally sat them down and dictated this scene

>>712447741
this nigger fucking bragged about owning the chud before deleting his tweet you terminally retarded faggot

>>712448584
From what I could gather about Andromeda it sounded like the issue was Bioware and not EA

>>712448584
>>Inquisition got rushed and forced to use an engine not suited for making an RPG
No such thing dumb kike

>>712446719 (OP)
Schreier
>YOU LOST CHUDS
Chuds after some time pass and the game is a confirmed flop
>I guess we won
Schreier
>erm, akshually, you lost because it's all EAs fault
haha k bro

>>712448714
It's a multiplayer game and not every woke game is a failure but around 80-90% of them

>>712446847
This. I can with 100% certainly say I avoided Veilguard because it was filled with hamfisted contemporary dogshit.

>>712448634
>Their only mistake is not killing a studio earlier when their obvious attempt to rip off a different game failed.
Lol.

>(((schreier)))

>>712448792
See: >>712448714
I await your reply

>>712448918
Around 90% of games in general are a failure in this day and age.

>>712447741
Retarded or just disingenuous?

Everyone and their mom knows EA is shit. And they'd have gone under if it wasnt for Americans and euros buying the latest sportsball release every year

But its so conviently easy to just blame all of your short comings on the publisher.

Theres plenty of games that despite being fucking janky and buggy from not having enough time and budget, still put out a game with at least a good story and be able to deliver some good moments.

Pic very related

>>712447459
>>712447789
>>712447313
none of this excuses or explains the existance of Taash and why they thought making an annoying non-binary teenager was a good idea

>>712446719 (OP)
>how EA doomed Veilguard to failure
That's easy. They had Bioware develop it.
Case closed.

>>712446719 (OP)
Kek, good to know that the awful people actually making these shitty games have no responsibility whatsoever for how the product turns out. Imagine treating fucking game developers like they're some sort of protected class. Sure, EA probably made a bunch of retarded decisions, but it takes two to tango making a game as awful as veilguard, especially on that gorrillion dollar budget.

>>712448880
Game did actually sell well. It failed because of development issues.

>>712448714
>a free FPS game that became popular during covid

>>712448973
>Theres plenty of games that despite being fucking janky and buggy from not having enough time and budget
Alpha protocol is neither of them
Sega gave Obsidian plenty of time and budget. Obsidian was just incompetent.

>>712447459
Game was too woke, even EA thought so, kek

>>712449023
So why didn't it being woke kill it? You mean to tell me that a game's success depends on other factors? Yeah, no shit. That's my point.

>>712449021
>sell well
Lmao

>>712448994
>It takes two to tango
No, it really doesn't.
>“An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep.”

>>712448862
There is such a thing, EA invested a large amount of money into the Frostbyte engine but DICE never designed it for anything but FPS games. But given the large investment EA wanted the engine used for all games

>>712449021
it really didn't, it sold half as much as they expected

>>712449110
It sold better than most games Bioware made. Dramatically outsold Origins, even.

>>712449021
>Game did actually sell well.
From the article
>the game missed expectations by 50%, only reaching 1.5 million players by January of this year.
Not even SALES, it's talking about PLAYERS.
It missed expectations by 50% using the PLAYERS metric.

>>712449079
it's a FREE multiplayer game

>>712446719 (OP)
Why is Jason so invested in running damage control for Flopguard?

>>712448714
Wow a free game does numbers with people who stereotypically have no jobs. What a shocker.

>>712448985
Yeah there's just way too much cringy and poorly written shit in the game to blame it all on ea there's no way an ea exec demanded an character like taash be in the game.
The retarded tranny devs voluntarily added in this shit

>trannnies defending a failed woke game
ikr??

>make a popular multiplayer game
>later on add fags and retcon everyone into being gay
heh... looks more like it's go woke... make lots of money!

>>712449180
Yes. They expected the world and got what was believable. The game was not budgeted properly.

>>712449229
>It missed expectations by 50% using the PLAYERS metric.
I'm aware. By most measures though it outsold most of Bioware's history.

How ironic is it that this was one of kike schreier's last tweets on xitter before he had to run off to his bluesky hugbox because he was getting btfo?

>>712447459
How many copies of Failguard did you personally buy?

>>712449128
>There is such a thing
There isn't
Its retarded cope by dumb kikes like schreir to run damage control for their tribesmen at bioware

>>712449232
Beautiful cope, but Steam itself shows that it's a top seller based on microtransaction revenue.

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/bestof2024

You got anything else or is it GG?

>>712448527
Bioware could go independant tomorrow and it would still shit out horrible LGBTQ++ slop. Bioware makes sure it hires people that ruin its own output. Remember: there are competent studios at EA. Bioware just isn’t one of them.

You can wish that anything 'woke' doesn't become popular as much as you like, but the reality is that most people do care about social justice on some level and don't see representation in media as a bad thing

>source: 99% of major films, tv shows and games

>>712449302
based hebe, a broken clock etc...

>>712447459
You can't come here and say
>it was all EA's fault, they didn't have the time to make a good game
while at the same time ignoring the fact that they still had the time to put all the cringe text and QUESTLINES in the game.
If they didn't have time to make the game good, where the FUCK did they find time to make the whole questline for Taash, being the lecture about le binary people that it was? Make it make sense dude

>>712449308
EA funded the development and initiatives to hire such people so they're responsible too

>>712448862
>Bioware had to do a ton of dev work to add modules to Frostbite so it could even handle a branching dialogue system and track different possible world-states + the openworld
>And then a bunch more to try work in RPG mechanics like the progression systems and character customisation - the latter of which ended up gutted vs PS3/360 games because of engine limitations
>It also didn't play nice with going for a third person camera because it was developed exclusively to be used for FPS and the only previous work done for a third person stuff was for driving
>All of this without much direct support from DICE, the people who actually built the engine, meaning they had to learn themselves both how to use it and build tools into it
no they genuinely did get fucked on that one as well.

The only thing you need to know is Schreier fled to Bluesky. That's literally all the information you need about why this game failed. It tells you everything. End of story. A thousand damage control articles cannot take away from running to Bluesky.

>>712449430
If bioware went independent tomorrow, their next game would actually be budgeted accordingly and not have to deal with bad leadership decisions from above.

>Remember: there are competent studios at EA.
Name them.

>>712449393
>data debunks your retarded claim
>uhmm akshually i'm right
go fuck yourself

>>712449446
>most people do care about social justice
Bet you believe trans women are real women too lmao

>>712449307
See: >>712449421
Top seller according to Steam themselves based on revenue. Any other copes?

>>712449390
Pic related is from the original trailer. I know it because /v/ posted it a million times before the game even launched. Your cope is now dismantled. Got anything else? You guys aren't doing so good at this.

>>712448994
>>712446719 (OP)
The worst thing is neither will learn from this. EA will just recoup the losses in Madden,FIFA,NCAA, and F1 titles.

Bioware will refuse to take responsibility for the 4th fucking time in a row after they flopped with Andromeda,Anthem,Veilguard and most definitely Mass Effect 4. That they're all just freak accidents from problems outside of the studio

>>712448971
>I await your reply
the fuck does this has to do with the fact that jason is trying to pretend he is a victim you niggercattle? stop moving the goalpost.

>>712449567
Bluesky is a better place than Twitter nowadays. All smart people are going there.

>>712449597
>Data rebukes it
How?

>>712448714
>Respawn game
>Nexon game
the problem with TFD is that it is developed by Nexon, with a pretty bad monetization model.
Having played way too much of it so far, I can say that the gameplay is very fun, the devs care and keep expanding on the game and systems and I am really looking forward to Season 3, which is a huge update.
Apex Legends on the other hand comes from Respawn, it is a good game and it is free to play. In spite of being an EA game, the monetization isn't as aggressive as TFD's. Also Apex has more frequent updates, as far as I am aware, and is an older game. It is unlikely that TFD will reach that high right now, especially as the Season 2 Part 2 update has been out for half a year now, and a big content update hasn't happened in a while. Even with season 3, it's not going to hit Apex Legends numbers, unless Apex starts bleeding massively.

>>712446719 (OP)
>rat fled to bluesky when he failed to dunk on chuds

>>712449658
I hate sport games for keeping EA afloat. They should be fucking dead by now.

Dragon Age deserved better than to die with a whimper. Its death wont even be a cautionary tale to others, because activist devs and corpo suits never learn

>>712449678
>How?
They never announced any sales data for the game.

>HOW DO WE MAKE IT FORTHNIGHT

what in the fuck is wrong with literally every gaming company on earth

>>712449678
Okay now I know you're trolling. Get out of here tourist.

>>712448330
>making a live-service slop MP game for CoD players that think Avengers Endgame is the height of cinema
Even if you think that, no player like that wants lectures about transgenderism or binary sexuality or "LOOK, TRANS SCARS"
Sure you can say they want the
>he's behind me, isn't he?
but they for sure do not want the
>sooooooooo, I'm non-binary
that is not an excuse

>>712449678
because it literally says it didn't sell well despite you claiming it. you just move your goalpost by saying "umhmm akshully EA expected a lot more" while there is no proof of any of this

>>712449782
>Dragon Age deserved better than to die with a whimper.
Not really, no.

Mass Effect, maybe.

>>712449794
That means it has to have underperformed?

>>712449678
>Bluesky is a better place than Twitter nowadays
It's just shitter, except literally everyone is an extremely anal leftoid.

>>712449745
Anon, I think you're proving my point that wokeness is not a significant factor in whether a game succeeds or not. Apex Legends is good battle royal slop, so it sells well (For any retard that tries going "IT'S FREE", Steam BTFOs you: https://store.steampowered.com/sale/bestof2024)

This, by extent, tells me that what Jason Schreier is saying makes more sense than /v/'s attempt at pretending that the only reason why the game failed is because it has trannies in it.

>>712449860
>That means it has to have underperformed?
Yes you retard. They literqlly said so themselves.

>>712449795
Hey that's the thing that made a lot of money!

Common lefty L.
They’ve been racking those up recently. Must suck to keep losing but I wouldn’t know.
And this article came out recently right? Just as stellar blade peaked at 170k? Common chud W. Go woke go broke as they say.

>>712446719 (OP)
he forgot to mention pissing on the fans and ignoring the non gay audience

>>712449393
My dude, 1.5 million players is not even 1.5 million copies sold, forget the world, these retards got NOTHING

>>712447313
EA had nothing to do with this, faggot

>>712448714
Is apex popular because it's woke, or despite being woke

>>712449614
>>712449421
to be fair, Apex has no story
I'm sure if Tranni-guard was a free multiplayer made by competent devs, w/o an annoying story it... probably would have failed too but lasted longer, lmao

Remember, success has many parents, failures have none

>>712449832
It sold fine by any sane metric. They somehow expected it to blow every previous game out of the water despite the mess they caused. It's insane, frankly.

>>712449862
If it has no nazis, it's a better place by default.

>>712449941
Then start with that, idiot.

I can only imagine the seething tears when he had to admit the chuds were right

>>712450004
It might be more copies sold than players. Plenty of people probably finished the game in a weekend and then never touched it again.

>>712450064
>It sold fine by any sane metric
By the metric of it's development cost, no it sold like shit.

>>712450064
>It sold fine by any sane metric. They somehow expected it to blow every previous game out of the water despite the mess they caused. It's insane, frankly.
again, according to your own delusions, what exactly is "by any sane metric"? Compared to their budget? Absolutely not

>>712450064
>It sold fine by any sane metric.
Not it didnt.
Inquisiton sold 12 million copies.
In what world is a sequel selling less than 1/10th the copies of the predecessor good?

>>712450048
Despite. Doesn't change the fact it's woke and it doesn't matter.

>>712450084
He lacks the self-awareness to shed tears. He simply deleted the posts, locked his account, and fled to a hugbox where everyone praises his non-binary characters. He still feels like he won. What a jew.

>>712450048
it's popular because it's made by Respawn, it will always be shit because it replaced Titanfall 3

I was in this topic yesterday because I love dunking on lefties (like the rest of the world) and this guy was in it. Same way of typing and defending the game. I want to say he’s not trolling. He’s actually that fucking upset. I mean I hope to god he’s not trolling because that’s the only thing that would make this pathetic faggot even sadder than he already is.
Anyway, go woke go broke.

>>712450154
>It might be more copies sold than players.
Bro, don't die on that copium.

>>712448723
Contrary to /nu-v/'s terminal culture war retardation, Veilguard isn't shit just because Taash. If Taash's dumb shit were kept in, but the writing, story, and gameplay were better, you'd see people acting like Taash was DA:O's Fade: just mod in ways to skip it.

It is really obvious to anyone that played the game that it has the modular endlessly-repeatable mission design GAAS slop like Destiny has and that nothing can happen to the characters because they needed to be kept around forever as part of the infinite grind treadmill NPCs. The goofy action game shift fits in with EA already did to DA2 and 3 (PRESS BUTTON TO AWESOME). EA's marketing team trying to market the game as fantasy Suicide Squad, to chase outdated fads, is entirely on brand for them.

The end of Veilguard is pretty good, even all the turbo woke acolytes /nu-v/ is at war with said the same: Tens and tens of hours of bland mush with a pretty good last 3 hours. All lamenting why couldn't the entire game be like that. Turns out the last 3 hours or so were made after the ME team joined on and got their way with EA for more time and money.

>>712447313
Anthem came out in 2019. This timeline looks weird. They've been working on a Dragon Age game for over six years.

>>712447313
Even with all of this, EA didn't force them to make everything retarded and gay. That was all Bioware

>>712448714
Catalyst was the only character advertised as LGBT (troon), whereas I never knew the other characters' butt-fucking preferences until this post. It's a decent, free multiplayer game released during the pandemic, it's doing fine.

>>712446863
I ain't gonna read it either but the tranny-core / AAA slop was a huge negative. And I doubt they would ever openly admit it.

Note by tranny-core I don't just mean the troon propaganda (though that will also alienate a lot of your potential buying base for not a lot of gain). The weird obsession with making everything just plain ugly, insincere, and lame seems to go part and parcel with this stuff. They're not going to admit "yeah we just made things visually offensive for no apparent reason other than being captured by a certain parasitic demographic"

>>712450204
>the fact it's woke and it doesn't matter.
So we can just remove woke shit from games then, since it doesn't matter.

>>712450154
>It might be more copies sold than players.
That's literally never the case for games available on subscription services on release.

>>712450232
Apex Legends completely blew both Titanfall 1 and 2 out of the water despite being way woker
>B-b-but it's because o-
Yeah, it's because of other factors. It being woke doesn't matter.

>>712450174
>Of it's development cost
Yes, it's insanely inflated due to incompetence development cost.

>>712450203
>Confusing sales with players again.

>>712450365
It matters for people that like it and have no effect on normal people.

Subhumans are not a audience.

>>712450287
Ten years. Since 2015. Under a different title but it's the same game.

>>712447313
Half of this is
>EA screwed us over by not giving us more time to fix the shit writing we originally thought was good!

The problem is the worst thing about Bioware RPGs has been the writing that really shouldn't be something that will suffer from publisher meddling and deadlines. Plot and written dialogue needs to happy fairly early in the process to allow time for voice acting, so the first thing Bioware does out of the gate is fuckup, then it's someone else's fault they aren't thrown money to fix that shit quality.

>>712450287
They started pre-production on the next DA as soon as Inquisition dlc was finished and then word came down they had to scrap their plans and go for an MP GAAS like the Anthem team were in 2017
>One day in October 2017, Laidlaw summoned his colleagues into a conference room and pulled out a few pricey bottles of whisky. The next Dragon Age sequel, he told the room, would also be pivoting to an online, live-service game — a decision from above that he disagreed with. He was resigning from the studio. The assembled staff stayed late through the night, drinking and reminiscing about the franchise they loved.

>>712450408
having a nigger in your game doesn't make it woke you insufferable subhuman faggot

>>712450402
Based on what?

>>712450321
Anon, quit pretending, /v/ was calling the game woke trash from the moment pic related >>712449614 was first posted.

>>712450456
>>712450464
>after 10 years EA forced us to release a game.

Fucking EA

>>712449896
>Anon, I think you're proving my point that wokeness is not a significant factor in whether a game succeeds or not
It is, though.
Apex had the fortune of being released in a time when the audience wasn't as heavily bombarded by games that looked like these. Even then, Apex has been in gradual decline over the past 2 years. Not bleeding profusely and in a death spiral, but it is losing people.
Nexon's bad reputation is a constant argument when discussing TFD. Unlike Apex where EA being the publisher doesn't really enter the conversation.
Apex is basically a grandfathered game, at this point. Got in at the right time, with the right way, and the right model, so it got early numbers high, and due to long time investment, it is keeping its numbers up.
Meanwhile, the only thing currently keeping TFD up is the TnA. Neither game does anything groundbreaking in terms of gameplay, even as the TFD Colossi are fucking amazing to fight still, so long as no one outright one shots them. It's lack of content and updates also hurts it, and the long time between the previous one and this one. By all accounts, if not for the coomer stuff, TFD would have been abandoned and we'd be talking EoL right now. But we're not. It's still hanging on and Season 3 is shaping up to be fucking huge.

>>712450510
>Having a black person in your game doesn't make it woke.
>Unless I decide it does.
Just stop, anon. You are desperate and it's getting sad.

>>712448595
Because you can blame EA, yes, but you can't put all the blame on EA here. Two retards can be wrong, you don't need to pick one retard because you don't like the other retard.
EA made the situation worse, but the core of the thing was already bad.
EA put the apple inside the garbage bin, but the apple itself was already rotten from the insise. All the shit the game has, it would still be there if the game was a live service and EA didn't fuck it over.

>>712446719 (OP)
I'm still not convinced Dragon Age is popular outside of the "writes AO3 Hawke fanfiction" teenage girl audience.

>>712450434
>>Confusing sales with players again.
True the game prrobably didnt even sell 1/10th the amount copies maybe around 500 000 at best.

>>712450615
>Unless I decide it does.
exactly, it's context dependent and you'll never be a woman. Kill yourself.

>>712450365
You can't do shit. Especially when your GWGB narrative gets exposed by Apex Legend's success.

>>712450615
Dude you should have seen this guy’s seethe yesterday. It’s what makes me think he’s not trolling. He’s fucking fuming rn. Stellar blade being insanely successful definitely hasn’t helped his mood either.

>>712450569
>It is
>Because I said so.

>Not bleeding profusely and in a death spiral, but it is losing people.
That's every game ever.

>>712450616
>but you can't put all the blame on EA here.
Yes, you can. Very easily, even.

ITT tr00,ns are so disgusting/v/ would rather side with EA

>>712450408
>blew both Titanfall 1 and 2
Neither titanfall 1 nor titanfall 2 are free.

>>712450154
>It might be more copies sold than players
It might not, because if it was they would have used "copies sold" instead of "players.
Idiot.

>>712450434
trannies and leftists are subhumans, and "nazis" are normal people

>>712450321
Also
>Fine
lmao
Steam platinum in 2024 years after launching isn't "Fine", cope-kun

Oh for sure it was the live service shit and not the fucking niggers and the fucking troons.

>>712448714
if you ask the random apex player if bloodhound is some nonbinary troon, they will have no idea what youre talking about.
whatever the devs ooc on their tumblr post about their characters and call it "multimedia storytelling" has nothing to do with the game. no one is lecturing you about identity politcs in a cutscene after you win a match

>>712446719 (OP)
Let me guess, EA evil, nameless upper management evil, poor devs didndus

>>712448714
>all that gay shit
its the same as Overwatch, it was patched in later and the players ignore it

>>712450665
I know the meaning perfectly well. Woke games are pro human games. Only games that hate human civilization appease to anti woke people.

>>712450661
Could be, or could be the opposite. we don't know.

>>712450697
>Insanely successful
>Most likely sold less than every woke game released over the last few decades.
Lol.

>>712450434
>It matters for people that like it
Who likes it? And why didn't they buy Flopguard, or Concord?

>>712450762
Yes. We all know that.

This is their post mortem damage control? They want to pin it on troublesome live service agenda instead of the real cause?

>>712450719
Yes, thanks for being aware that success is determined by factors other than a game being woke or not. Which is my point. I accept your concession.

>>712447313
communists always looking to blame anyone else besides the commune

>>712450781
But it wasn't live service?
The final game.

>>712450525
Based on other games were we have both the sales aswell as subscription service numbers available.
Not a single game has more copies sold than players.

>>712450829
>I know the meaning perfectly well. Woke games are pro human games. Only games that hate human civilization appease to anti woke people.
oh so you're just a troll. Not gonna lie I took the bait. Well done.

>>712450859
Would press like this help give employees cover when trying to apply for new jobs?

>>712450752
Not really, no. Especially if their goal was to make a live service.

>>712450762
Nazis by default do not believe they are human. They are animals, and should be treated like animals.

>>712450829
Stellar blade, on PS5 alone, outsold Dragon’s troon suicideguard. Which was available on three platforms.
I mean this when I say this but I look forward to your anger as the topic goes on. Like yesterday. Die mad.

>Trannies trying to gaslight people into thinking that the woke shit in failguard wasn’t a cause for its failure
Kek

>>712447430
Don't you know it was always something unrelated.
>proudly make aggressively unappealing nu game, where not just the devs, but the social media faggots and journos (including Schreier) shilled the shit out of it, trying to btfo the chuds and help pretend it's actually super successful and popular for as long as possible
>w-well eh turns out it failed and was bad BUT NOT FOR THAT REASON!!! it was the crunch and meddling ack-tually!!! if only they could've added a few more choices about your character's sexual identity then it would've been super good!!!
It's the same every time. No one who is crunched to shit and has actually a entirely different vision for the story, characters, atmosphere and game as whole crusades online to defend it. Same for the "fans", it got all praise... but now it was actually underwhelming and not what anyone wanted all along? How does that work?

>>712450708
>Yes, you can. Very easily, even.
No you can't. Before people even knew a single thing about this game the trailer was already hated.
Before people even knew Taash was non-binary and shit, learning that only made things worse for the game. The core problems are core problems for a reason, EA didn't sit down with Bioware and said "make everyone gay and purple", they sat down and said "make what the fortinite kids want".

Have we reached the "Everyone that didn't buy Flopguard is a nazi!" Point?

>>712450830
>Who likes it.
Mostly people on the center left.

>And why didn't they buy Flopguard, or Concord?
Cause it doesn't sell games. It's a welcome addition to games that are already fun. But leftists, unlike right wingers, have enough media available to them that they don't need to settle for crumbs.

>>712450829
>Could be, or could be the opposite. we don't know.
Yeah because ea refuses to tell us because the game sold extremely poorly.

>>712450983
you do not believe they're human, but "nazi" is like 70% of the population, i.e. normal people

>>712450983
>Not really, no. Especially if their goal was to make a live service.
Their goal was NOT to make it a live service, did you even read the article? That was changed BEFORE the game released, dumbass.

>>712450859
The devs are innocent, pls hire them for more games.

>>712450434
I promise you, no normal person wants to sit through a tranny struggle session like this woke piece of shit game makes you do. You people are the freaks, get that through your head.

>>712450921
>Troll
Nope. Just a human pointing out the obvious.

>>712451006
It didn't.

>>712451082
Ok, so not even the people that care about it want it. Why even put it in games?

>>712451023
They're trying so hard it's just downright pathetic to see.

the funniest part of the article is the cope and denial from the dragon age team saying that the mass effect team came in "and got what they wanted" and don't have that "pirate spirit" of the dragon age team when a) the ending crafted by the ME team is one of the few things liked by the fans and b) the ME team has always been the more talented team straight up. more polish, better gameplay, better technical ability, better writing, ALWAYS. ME has always been a better franchise than DA. even inquisition.

>>712451031
The trailer was hated by subhumans that don't buy games. Actual people were largely neutral.

>learning that only made things worse for the game.
It had zero effect on anything.

>>712451085
Could be. Doubt it personally.

>>712451159
Normal people are fine with melodrama and wokeness. Numbers don't lie, sadly.

>>712447313
I do not believe this for a second.
Not that EA would fuck over a dev, but that being the primary reason it failed.
The dialogue, for example, can be traced back to DA:I, so interference on that front is clearly bullshit. Likewise they never hired anyone even capable of returning to Origins’ tone, so even if they wanted that style of game they were never going to deliver it.

But even disregarding that, what utterly murdered the game was all the abominably cringeworthy current year scenes going viral early, and that shit was very clearly bioware through and through.
Nobody ever talks about the gameplay, because it’s irrelevant. What people talked about was how fucking insufferable it was that they had to go through Gaider’s self insert therapy session to unlock areas and get the “good” ending.
EA isn’t above obnoxious pandering, but they tend to “only” shove in shallow inclusivity that clashes horribly with the rest of the tone, not subject people to barves or whatever the fuck.
If EA was the sole factor, veilguard would be in a similar position to DA2, where it’s still fucking horrible but not like that.

>>712450829
>Could be, or could be the opposite. we don't know.
How in the fuck would 1.5 million players including gamepass make more than 12 million full price sales, did each player buy 10 to 20 copies?

>>712450559
>EA rushed us! We only had a decade to iron out the kinks! I did nothing wrong!

>>712451023
>>712451179
Apex Legends BTFOs your narrative

>>712451209
I mean to be fair it sounds like the complaints are the DA team identified the problems with the game, asked for money to try fix them, got told no, and then when the ME leads took over because the DA team couldn't salvage the project they identified the same problems and asked for money and were actually given it.

>>712450983
I'm not a nazi, I don't hate other races, only faggot tr@nnies, I don't even mind regular faggots.

>>712451026
Imagine you start a culture war, totally sure that you’re going to win. Imagine taunting your enemy with their loss as they do nothing. Imagine failing to assassinate or jail the one man that you hate more than anything else in the world.
And then imagine losing said culture war. Imagine seeing this man get back into power and fuck your losing side over and over every single day. Imagine being only 6 months into his reign. Imagine seeing your enemies, who didn’t even know they were in a culture war succeed after your side keeps failing.
I’d break too man.

schreiersisters...dunk status?

>>712451298
>Normal people are fine with melodrama and wokeness. Numbers don't lie, sadly.
your delusional mentally ill cult are not "normal people", faggot

>>712451129
It was changed, doesn't change the fact they most likely still tried to push the idea of player retention when trying to talk with inventors.

>>712451175
Because the creators like it, and it improves a game that is already good.

>>712448432
Easy,
>our market study of consummer show that diversity is important for audience, so add token character with as much diversity checkmark as possible
>with also have to add more diversity to workforce
>also it give us ESG money

Why can't wokies just admit they're not the main audience for video games? There's nothing wrong with that, every audience buys the shit that appeals to them, and wokies usually buy more music and movies than they do video games. Unlike them, I actually fucking bought and played some of the games they said they would buy upon being announced, either because the games looked interesting (Tales of Kenzera, South of Midnight) or because it was part of a franchise I already liked (AC Shadows, Veilguard, Silent Hill 2 Remake), and aside from Veilguard which I refunded, I did enjoy those games.
If wokies aren't the main audience and they won't buy AAA games made for them, then AAA games should stop being made for them, it's not hard to understand the point.

>>712451298
>Could be. Doubt it personally.
Why?

>>712451412
>and it improves a game that is already good.
Clearly, it didn't.

>>712447313
So uh why did they write, record voice acting for and publish a bunch of snarky unfunny bullshit then?
Why didn't they just write it as a dark, serious game to begin with?
Why did they add LGBTQLMNOP bullshit to a world that doesn't tonally fit?
Why did the artstyle look like a fisherprice mobile game?
HMMMMMMM?

>>712451335
again, concord and dustborn debunks yours

>>712451328
>How in the fuck would 1.5 million players including gamepass make more than 12 million full price sales,
Cause it's possible most people finished the game quickly.

>>712451357
If you believe in race, you are like the Nazis by default.

>>712451407
Look at most games that do well. Then look at movies. Books. Ani

>>712451450
Because he’s asshurt.

>>712451298
>The trailer was hated by subhumans that don't buy games. Actual people were largely neutral.
This never happens, that never happens.
There is no minority of subhman haters that kill games by downvoting it, it's fucking impossible and the most retarded cope ever.
The majority of people disliked it, or didn't like it enough to not even like the video. The mass majority moves in a single way, both for things that are good, and for things that are bad.

>>712451125
It's not. You're not going to convince normal people that nazis are actually the default by pretending you're victimized by Bluesky.

Joe the guy who thinks illegal immigrants should be deported and wants lower gas and grocery prices is not a nazi. You, Anon that posts about how you hate and want to kill leftists and trans people all day with your basedjak edits while crying about white birthrates, are a nazi.

>>712451439
Why is Relooted getting shat on by culture war grifters when it's a niche indie game made by South Africans?

>>712451298
>numbers don’t lie sadly
You’re right they don’t, and woke shit like failguard constantly fail. Even your kike ally, who bragged about this game being woke, had to eat shit and admit this game was a failure.

>>712450697
thanks for the heads up gonna check the archive, lel
i think he's a resident schizo/autist, i've already seen some of his stock phrases verbatim in the past year/years

>>712451450
Because publishers typically dramatically overhype inventors with promises they can't keep.

>>712451439
>Why can't wokies just admit they're not the main audience for video games?
They are. That's why Deltarune is currently selling like hotcakes.

>>712451404
Admit it chud, he dunked on you. Veilguard is game of the year, it sold 58 million copies in the first hour, it's being ported to Switch 2, the next sequel is already in development, chuds lose, EA wins, Bioware wins, non-binary wins. As they say in the equally great game Dustborn, your time is over. Kindly crawl back to Kiwifarms now, bye bye Nazi.

>>712446719 (OP)
I thought the game topped the charts because chuds don't actually play games?

reminder

>>712451439
woke slop failed
now is the time of ai slop
the wheel of fortune ever turns

>>712451412
If it was changed then it was not the goal anymore you idiot.

>>712449517
And with Anthem the DICE engine coders refused to help Bioware with making the frostbite work until EA ordered them to help.

>>712451498
No, they don't. You're the one trying to say that woke games fail. I never said woke games have to succeed. My point is that wokeness is not the determening factor in a game's success or failure, as Apex Legends proves.

>>712451572
The topic go pruned so you might not be able to find it. He was fuming calling others subhuman all topic long. It’s why I legit think he’s actually booty blasted and not just trolling. Like, to uphold that angry troll persona into another day would be the only thing more pathetic than him being some asshurt leftist who keeps fucking losing.

>>712451514
>It never happened.
>Because I said so.

>There is no minority of subhman haters that kill games by downvoting it
Did I imply as much? Learn to read.

>The majority of people disliked it, or didn't like it enough to not even like the video.
Yes. They were neutral. Learn to read.

>>712451125
70% of the population are not republicans, anon.

>>712451503
>Cause it's possible most people finished the game quickly.
....?
You don't really think this, do you? You don't really think the huge, vast majority of the consumers, aka the ultra casuals, finished the game in sub two hours and refunded the game, right?

>>712451540
lmao what a sad cope of an argument. Joe the guy who thinks illegals should be deported also want to kill leftists and trannies because they're inherently evil and they're an existential threat to any healthy society

>>712450708
>>It is
>>Because I said so.
No, because the thing that is keeping TFD alive is the sexy female characters. Under any other circumstance, the game would have been dead. It is the game's selling point, above all the other mechanics in it. Especially over the predatory monetization.

>That's every game ever.
Sure, but MP games are supposed to be as alive as possible, for as long as possible. Apex is past its prime, at this point, and in spite of Respawn's efforts, it's not going to come back. Meanwhile, TFD is poised for a comeback, because it is new, and it has so little content.

These two games do not come from an equal starting point, Apex has the advantage, TFD has its girls. It's an uneven battle.

>>712451584
>Because publishers typically dramatically overhype inventors with promises they can't keep.
Yeah exactly wich is why they only announced the game player count not sales to investors.

>>712451557
>Constantly fail
Most of the time they actually succeed. Take any given popular game of the last few years and you will find it is in fact woke.

>>712451602
Are you really so stupid you don't know how investors work?

>>712447741
Nobody here is defending EA subhuman bastard, also, daily reminder that troon rights are at the bottom of sole

>>712451354
that's true but they also took forever beforehand

>>712451686
>>The majority of people disliked it, or didn't like it enough
>Yes. They were neutral.
Are you fucking retarded?

>>712451495
>So uh why did they write, record voice acting for and publish a bunch of snarky unfunny bullshit then?
>Why didn't they just write it as a dark, serious game to begin with?
the post you're replying to literally explains that. the "story" is mostly recycled from the MP version of the project, which had that style because they were trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator as told.

EA goes under and China comes to buy it up right after watching the entire time.

>>712451789
To your point, there are people ITT that will pretend BG3 isn't woke.

>>712450551
>>712450772(you're the same anon)
>release a decent multiplayer game during a pandemic
>advertise said game with notable ugly moments
>people laugh at it, but then give a shot (again, pandemic)
>it becomes popular
>now that it's popular (whales), you can shove as much wokeshit as you want while hiding it
>now trannies will defend your performative slacktivism till the sun dies or they die, the latter is far closer

>>712451702
I think most people probably finished it in a weekend, or at least got all of the playtime they wanted in a weekend, and then never touched it again.

>>712451774
They did it to say the game underperformed. Most likely they understand most inventors view player retention as more important nowadays.

>>712451412
>improves a game
How do tranny struggle sessions that you have to comply with improve a game, especially in an rpg?

>>712451439
>Why can't wokies just admit they're not the main audience for video games?
Because wokies are dogmatard, like every dogmatard they understand the idioms "art is political" as "art is propaganda". So they see every creation as a manifesto for a political statement or a piece propaganda. Because they are dogmatic they think that their belief is absolute truth so art should be a tool to propagate their belief and ONLY their beliefs.
They don't like video game but they think game should only be about they worldview.

>>712451679
cherry picking the woke games that didn't fail doesn't prove that wokeness is not a factor

>>712447313
Its always convenient that its never the fault if all that talented dei cast... yes sir....

>>712451551
Because grifters need outrage to make money and their audience is a bunch of easily-outraged retards.

>>712451880
this

>>712451882
A man has sex with a bear, that's not woke, that's what the majority of gamers have been asking for.

>>712446719 (OP)
20 years from now people will still be laughing and cringing at the Taash scenes. Hilarious that this is going to be Veilguard's only lasting impact.

>>712451931
>They did it to say the game underperformed. Most likely they understand most inventors view player retention as more important nowadays.
And??

>>712451931
>I think most people probably finished it in a weekend,
Casuals do NOT play like you think they play.
You're so out-of-touch it's funny.

>>712451731
>No, because the thing that is keeping TFD alive is the sexy female characters.
No evidence for that.

>Meanwhile, TFD is poised for a comeback, because it is new, and it has so little content.
This meanwhile is actual evidence.

>>712447313
One day people are going to realize that the woke shit is the product of EA corporatism more than anything else.

It's true that there are lefty psychos in dev studios but they're only allowed to inject that shit into games if the corporate structure, the money guys, enable them.
Somehow, during this era, all of these retarded 55 year old money guys who know nothing about video games think being woke is the new thing, that diverse is cool -- probably because some slick marketing guy convinces them of it to justify his own salary -- and you start seeing all of these bullshit corpo woke initiatives come into play.

But well, it's starting to become obvious that woke isn't cool, that it doesn't make money, that people are tired of it, so the money guys are going to drop it and pretend it never happened.
HOWEVER -- they are still out of touch retards who don't know anything about video games, so they're not going to suddenly become good guys. They're going to just fuck up in other ways, other types of cancer that existed before the woke shit: games as a service, mobile games, AI, whatever trend is pitched to them by a marketing guy as being "hot."

It's not "one or the other," unplug you retarded binary console war brains and think about it.

>>712451916
Game having a ugly black woman and mainly non white characters makes it woke. The game succeeded in spite of this. Because it being woke doesn't matter.

I don't dispute it's slacktivism, btw.

holy shit I never want to hear about this stupid piece of shit game or its cuck devs ever gain
>this dragon age writer said this about expeditio-
Kill yourself.

>>712451938
Because people like dealing with people's mental trauma in a bioware rpg and have since Knights of the Old Republic?

>B-But they don't like it when it's about being transexual.
Why?

>>712452027
Game could have sold fine.

>>712452029
Nor do they play like you think, anon.

>>712451551
>South Africans
because they would rather destroy their own country to own the whitey
0nh8r

>>712446719 (OP)
But for real, Live Service Games are the actual and ultimate cancer in the game industry and the sooner they're killed off the better.

>>712451584
Deltarune is way cheaper than a AAA game though.

>>712451952
It's at the very least not the most important factor, so I think the article in the OP matters in explaining the others.

>>712451595
reminder that david gaider is a dumb lying jew?

it continues to be funny they chose to retcon the militaristic & rigidly religious not-muslim Qunari of DA:O to be the tranny faction. Barve's struggle session there ain't even the first one, bioware had the tranny Iron Bvll in DA:I.

>>712446719 (OP)
Multiplayer Dragon Age is still a dumb idea. I still want to know why the writing was so soft and wimpy.

>>712451551
Because I hate you people and take pleasure whenever your efforts fail. So much like Jason dunked on the chuds, the chuds dunk back. You silly faggot.

>>712452165
Are you implying that if you make your game cheaper... it will sell more?

Fucking hell, you just showed more intelligence and self awareness than most game executives.

>>712452119
>Game could have sold fine.
And your evidence for this is?

>>712446719 (OP)
Was never going to buy Veilguard anyway after they butchered the setting in Inquisition.

>>712447226
His kind will do every possible kind of mental gymnastics before admitting that the 'modern audience' doesn't exist.

>>712451931
>they wanted in a weekend
the game didn't even come out in a weekend...
by the weekend the game was already on a downward trend, you can't try to imply people refunded it
>I said they stopped played
that still count as sales rather than players

>>712451372
>Imagine failing to assassinate or jail the one man that you hate more than anything else in the world.

>random loner with no real political affiliation said he was going to make his mark on the world took a shot at Trump
>not even conservstive media could spin it as LEFTIES ARE TRYING TO KILL TRUMP, despite having similar narratives for years for other things
>a second attempt was reported with a guy setting up at Trump's golf course
>conservative media stops taking about it the next day because he had zero on recorded political affiliations aside from Independent and was outspoken about how he previously supported Trump (never voted for or against him)

It's crazy how the current President had two assassination attempts, but his own aligned news outlets didn't talk about them after a month because they didn't fit into the narrative your describing of RABID LEFTIES CRACK AND TRY TO KILL TRUMP.

>>712446719 (OP)
THE TRANNIES AND FAR LEFT FAGGOT WRITERS DID NOTHING WRONG

>>712447313
Now this, this I can believe is exactly how it went down. EA is like a Swiss clock at this shit

>>712452291
Did you not read the rest of the argument?

>>712452330
>Deltarune sells.

>>712452374
It does count as sales. which is why I assume they were mostly talking about player attention.

>>712452065
Good post but it's wasted effort. 80% of the people in this thread just want to cry about woke. Corporations are no longer shit to them the second they signal the right values.

>>712452248
So cheap indie games are what they're willing to spend money on, then why do studios insist on making AAA games for them?

>>712447313
Do you figure old /v/ ever thought that in the future /v/ would EVER defend EA for any reason? What happened to this board?

>>712452429
Why you mad tho?

>schreier

>>712452575
NTA, but it's all so tiresome.

>>712446719 (OP)
did EA tell the devs to shove in a non binary character in a fantasy setting? did EA tell the devs to make sure players werent able to make characters with feminine features?

>>712452558
>What happened to this board?
last 10 years ;)

>>712452119
But this is an rpg, you should be able to disagree to this tranny struggle session, how can you justify being forced to comply in an RPG?

>>712452481
>It does count as sales
yes, which is why games that are doing good use sales instead of players, because it's quite easily the bigger and better number

>>712451726
See? You are entirely detached from reality. Go tell your grandpa all about how you want to kill all leftists and trannies, show him your collection of hanged soijacks, and talk about how white birthrates are on the decline. I'm sure he'll be really into it because "everyone" is just like you.

>>712452645
Yes.
It was all EA.

>>712452481
>Did you not read the rest of the argument?
What argument? You have not provided any evidence whatsoever to dispute the fact every single game available on subscription services on release has alwayd had way more player than copies sold.
There isnt a single game i'm aware of where this isnt the case.
So it's safe to assume that veilguard is the same. Unless you can provide evidence that this is not the case?

>>712452558
The idea that we have an article breaking down in detail how EA ruined a mainline Dragon Age game by trying to chase the CoD/Fortnite audience and then strung along, laid off, and underfunded the devs who tried to fix it before forcing in new leadership to just get it released already and that /v/ is STILL ignoring this to be mad at someone else is crazy to me as an '07fag.

So to summarize the entire topic
Go woke go broke
Lefty L’s all around

EA didn't force Bioware to put trannies in the game.

>Inside
>has 4 quotes
>2 are previously made public statements
>2 are off the record one liners
>BIG EXPOSÉ
Damn Schreier fell off hard. Anyone could have written that piece with like 2-3 hours of research on wikipedia. Like most of the piece is him just summarizing past events.

He doesn't have actual insider quotes. None of the movers and shakers at EA or Bioware were willing to spill the beans, even off the record. He doesn't have anything confidential like internal design documents. He's got nothing.

This isn't an investigative piece, it's barely fit to be called journalism.

Its funny how they are putting in so much effort to make the gamed failure seam like its the fault of everything but the ass art deign character design and writing.

>>712452683
NO WRONGTHINK ALLOWED

>>712452738
2012-2014 ruined this board

>>712452065
Oh I can feel the great corporate AI push. It's like the way the water ebbs before the big wave

>>712452546
Because they don't want some money with small reliable releases, what they want is big massive blockbusters that make GTA money. That is how shit like Veilguard becomes a ten year shitshow.

>>712451951
To be fair, every piece of entertainment since at least the 50s has been propaganda.
The existence of a heavily propagandized rabble is the only way our elites would tolerate democracy. See how fast they let the mask slips when social networks threatened their monopoly on narrative building.

>>712451686
> 70% of the population are not republicans, anon.
After how badly the Democrats got BTFOd in the election I’m not so sure about that.

>>712451789
You retards would claim Stellar Blade is woke because it would fit your "Me and my group made this" narrative.
Woke is clearly the preaching and obviously box checking being forced in games, and not
>game has woman
>game has blackies
like you try to imply it being what people think.

>>712446719 (OP)
Oh yeah yeah I'm sure it was crunch and uhhh bad company grrrr
Had nothing to do at all with the they them's no one had a problem with that, actually what am I even saying there was no marketing about top scars, I don't even know a Bar? ve? is never heard of it you're insane, that's a conspiracy.
The audience would have bought it if it had more gays, that's the lesson chud.

>>712452807
/v/ was never good, it was fun at times though
not anymore with the mutt culture wars ;_;

>>712452683
>But this is an rpg, you should be able to disagree to this tranny struggle session,
Not really, no. Is FF7 not a rpg because you have to crossdress at one point?

>>712452575
Mad about what? I was pointing out how crazy it is that the sitting President had two assassination attempts that were barely talked about in the media because the attempted assassins weren't woke lefties.

>>712452840
Yeah, it's coming. You can really tell because a lot of people are already starting to poke holes in AI, so that's just about the right time for the clueless business majors to throw money at it for no fucking reason

>>712451682
>The topic go pruned so you might not be able to find it.
that's ok, b4k saves deleted threads
from searching some of his reused keywords he's been this angry for a while, some of his posts are from the end of january

>>712452857
Tricky Dick knew what was up.

>>712452784
>openly talk about the dialogue being a issue.
>Anti woke people just ignore it.

>>712452857
Art has always been propaganda, dumbass.

>>712452689
he'd agree with all of that

Woke? why are you saying it's woke? because of women? why is that woke? is tomb raider woke, tomb raider had tits therefore this isnt woke.

Jason Schreier said this game was a record breaking success shortly after it launched

>>712452907
It's still good in some places. It just gets harder and harder to find with all the culture war shit

>>712452963
Yeah no way he’s just trolling. He’s just a seething lefty that’s lashing out as his world view crumbles.

>>712452784
It's funny how you can't see that the ass art design and writing are a symptom of a much more horrible problem.

Let me propose a hypothetical scenario, let's say DA actually had fantastic art direction and sexy characters, would that make it a good game? No, it's still a goddam trashfire, just one that doesn't look like shit on top of everything else.

>>712452903
>Woke is clearly the preaching
Stellar blade is a ripoff of Nier Automatta, so I'm sure it does plenty of preaching.

>and obviously box checking being forced in games
What are those boxes, then?

Let me guess: Women and black?

>>712453002
Not really considering the movies he grew up with were more propogandist in nature.

Not owning up to your failures only guarantees more of them — which I fully welcome. Seriously, keep burning billions shitting out garbage and blaming everyone but yourselves for the trainwrecks you're bound to create.

>>712453052
There's a scene where a woman does push-ups as a punishment for a "microaggression" or some shit

>>712452925
FF is a JRPG.
People dont expect dialogue and choices from a JRPG.
People expect dialogue and choices from western RPG especially a Bioware RPG.

>>712453074
He is clearly an unbiased source

>>712447313
>THEY WERE FORCED TO MAKE IT WOKE

yeah sure

>>712446719 (OP)
Veilguard is ass, we all know this.
Can't we tall about best girl Morrigan instead?

>>712452925
We're talking about a Bioware Dragon Age game, you dumbass
You're going apples and oranges here thinking you're making a point

>>712453226
>People expect dialogue and choices from western RPG especially a Bioware RPG.
Most Bioware rpg's have always had scenes and moments you HAD to do.

>>712453352
See above.

Gamers love women and blacks and gays!
There is NO satisfying (to me) evidence stating otherwise.

>>712453002
And he knew who was pulling the strings, too. But speaking publically about it was already political suicide back then.
>>712453026
Moron doesn't understand how totalitarism is a deeply modernist sickness.

>>712453384
Gamers like good games. That's literally the only pre-requisite

>>712447320
The game itself wasn't terribly broken. Just unremarkable. It wasn't Big Rigs Over The Road Racing or anything. If it had a good story and characters, mediocre models, animations and gameplay wouldn't have killed it. It failed precisely because everything about it in context is annoying and insufferable.

>>712448081
saying anyone has ever failed at making the chuds mad is laughable

>>712450821
Happened with Destiny as well

>games fail because they're bad AND woke
it's that shrimple

>>712453410
>And he knew who was pulling the strings, too
Clearly he didn't considering they effortlessly demolished his entire political career.

Totalitarism was more of a thing when Nixon was a kid than it was today, anon.

>>712452925
>Not really, no
Why?

>>712447741
I don't think anyone is playing defense for EA, but these sort of stories are reaching "boy who cried wolf" levels

>>712453437
Exactly, there is NO evidence that putting a ugly chick or a black guy up front and centre will have ANY negative effects at ALL.
It's all just chud make believe.
Ya fuckin dolt, I'm done with this.

>>712447815
basically, if your argument is that schreier doesn't routinely release these kinds of stories and they are unassailably accurate, you have already lost on grounds of being a fucking idiot.

>>712453507
It failed because of something that has been proven, time and time again, to have no effect on sales?

>>712453579
Because most RPG games don't have ten million options. You tend to play a character.

If I want to play Dragon Age Origin and not become a grey Warden, I can't.

>>712452738
I came here in 2007 and DA2 is the main reason I stopped playing any big budget western games at all.

There was never any chance this game would be good because nobody working on it was ever capable of producing a good game.

>>712453379
> Most Bioware rpg's have always had scenes and moments you HAD to do
Yeah those are called missions and cutscenes, but dialogue and character moments were in the hands of the player you dishonest troon.

>>712452683
People would not be nearly as opposed to this game if you were allowed to constantly disrespect Trash, or whatever the tranny is called.
>I'm non-binary
>SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FILTHY HOE, YOU DO YOUR JOB OR GET FUCKING KILLED BY ME HERE AND NOW
you know like in Baldur's Gate 3

>>712451439
Because every now and then we get AAA vidya with some woke elements like BG3 and it sells over 20m copies, execs from other corpos end up wanting their own BG3.

>>712447313
Knowing how Jason Schreier is, he probably left some key elements out to fit their narrative, for example, EA wanting to have their own Baldur's Gate 3 moment, but without actually understand what made BG3 special, and also eventually EA wanting to tone down the political ragebait, but the devs firmly refusing so.

>>712453112
Preaching AND box checking, anon
Reading.

When you box check and preach about these checked boxes like they're what you should think. Yes, woman and blacks can be in those boxes, but they also can not. A woman being in a game isn't woke, a woman being in a game and the game telling you how she's better, stronger, smarter than anyone and you're a ist or phobe if you agree is.

You can disingenuous as much as you want, but the reality that even Schreier himself had to confirm the game was a flop will not change.

>>712453707
>but dialogue and character moments were in the hands of the player
Debatable. But regardless, how is that any different from the trans session you speak of?

>>712446719 (OP)
>EA forced the most anticipated DEI faggot game to fail purposefully so the industry can no longer has the incentive to make them
BASED, EA REDEEMED... slightly.

>>712453843
>debatable
It isn’t, it’s the truth you lying fuck.

>>712452036
>No evidence for that.
On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence. Who are the characters people are talking about in TFD? Serena, Ines, Bunny, Hailey, Gley, Luna.
It is a female led franchise. Not that it doesn't have male characters, but the female characters have the spotlight, because that's why the fans are there for.

>This meanwhile is actual evidence.
Of course, the game needs to have some gameplay content. Right now, TFD doesn't even have side content to take advantage of the female characters it has. It isn't ... what's it called? Snow something. Not snowblind.
Snowbreak, that's the one. It isn't Snowbreak. But side content is coming in TFD with Season 3. It's poised to take advantage of the identity it has built, as a female centric franchise. It is what the people want, and how the game has successfully monetized itself to the extent that it has, so far. I've played the shit out of Season 2 Part 2 so far, and I am looking forward to jumping back in with Season 3. But I am playing for the girls.

I’m not a lefty cuck but can someone explain the following to me?
>lose
>go into enemy territory to get dunked on after the 9th loss in a row
>in an attempt to change the narratrice, which fails and leads to a 10th loss in a row you didn’t even know you could have
I don’t get it.

>>712453797
>Can be in those boxes
There you have it, anon.

>a woman being in a game and the game telling you how she's better, stronger, smarter than anyone and you're a ist or phobe if you agree is.
So... it's just arbitrary bullshit you can make up?

Alright, I've now officially decided all games are woke as long as they feature crates. No crates, no wokeness. Crates though? Wokeness.

>>712453674
Jamie, can you pull up the list of failed woke games?

>>712452558
Bioware died 15 years ago after being killed by EA. EA can't ruin something that's been dead for longer than it's been alive.

>>712448230
Well in this case both sides are clearly true. EA obviously did fuck around with development (because they always do, this isn't news in any way, shape or form) but the DA devs definitely still had control of the content / flavour that came out in the end so yeah.

>>712446719 (OP)
any excuse but the wokeness

>>712453934
> Who are the characters people are talking about in TFD? Serena, Ines, Bunny, Hailey, Gley, Luna.
You think that matters because? Why do you assume that is the reason the game is still alive?

>>712446719 (OP)
Obviously the ideologically crazed rank and file devs, writers, etc and their journalist buddies will shift the blame. In their mind it's preferable to go woke, bomb and "own the chuds" than be non-woke and succeed financially. Schreier's own mask-off tweet indicated that mindset perfectly. I hope every industry higher up saw that.

I can't believe EA forced the director to chop off his dick.

>>712453783
I extremely doubt EA secretly wanted to have their very own critically acclaimed single-player rpg experience driven by independent vision and another company's luxurious IP, loaded with unnecessary bells and whistles that benefit only the player at no extra charge. And also somehow they wanted this while also being politically neutral despite BG3 being woke as shit.

>>712451439
The biggest problem for me is that while I am capable of playing a game made for wokies and enjoying it, they're not only incapable of playing a game made for me and enjoying it, but they also want the game made for me to stop existing because it's not made for them. Why the fuck should my hobby change to appeal to them exclusively when we previously had both things?

>>712453843
> how is that any different from the trans session you speak of?
Because you had the choice to disagree, in failguard every response in the Troon struggle session is literally forcing you to confirm the goblins beliefs.

>>712454071
guess you can say it was a microTransaction

>>712453938
You don't get it because you genuinely deluded yourself into thinking you are dunking on people. That's what makes this even funnier.

>>712453959
Every game that came out the last ten years was woke, but sure go ahead.

>>712453568
>Clearly he didn't considering they effortlessly demolished his entire political career.
Conservatives have always been far too naive and trustring, they refuse to believe that the other side play by others rules.

>>712454192
based

>>712453947
>>712453947
>>Can be in those boxes
>There you have it, anon.
You're so dishonest it's funny.

>So... it's just arbitrary bullshit you can make up?
No, just bullshit everyone agrees with. Or in other words, anything that people agree it's shit but makes you anon mad that people think it's shit, that's woke. Use that as a reference for the future.
My proof: DAV failing.

>>712454152
>Disagree
Okay? You don't have a choice to not become a spectre in Mass Effect 1 either. I also don't have a choice to kick Ashley out of my team for being a racist. Best i can do is blow her up late in the game.

>>712447741
People used to hate publishers like Activision and EA because they fucked over devs that would otherwise have made great games.
Can you not see how things might have changed, you posturing newfag?
Those publishers don’t fuck over good devs anymore, because those same devs are fucking abysmal and using them as a shield for their own incompetence.
The publishers being aids incarnate doesn’t change this in the slightest.

>>712446719 (OP)
EA didn't force them to put all the tranny shit in, they did that themselves, and getting laid off is the least of what they deserve

>>712454261
>They believe that
>But also they scream about them being literal child murdering satanists.
Unironic doublethink even if true.

>>712454284
>No, just bullshit everyone agrees with
Most people disagree with you. So, you failed by default.

>>712446863
You don't know Jason "big boobed lolis" Shrirer at fucking all then anon. He blames corporate mismanagement, admits that it had "weak legs", but fails to even propose a reason. Also said forspoken's "tone" was not appealing and that's why it failed.

He's out to protect himself from his ass take, and his buddies that feed him leaks.

>>712446872
No. He's throwing the AAA company under the bus to protect his tribe.

>>712454069
Industry higher ups are not completely crazy (well, at least not all of them), they already know that crap doesn't sell. But when you are on the level of a Microsoft or a EA, you need to play along with the regime's official dogma.

>>712454394
>Most people disagree with you. So, you failed by default.
Do you have proof?
Can you link me an article by Jason Schreier talking about how, today, Dragon Age the Veilguard is a massive success and everyone bought it? Because I can link you one article saying it failed, if you want to.

>>712454290
>Can you not see how things might have changed, you posturing newfag?
Yeah. Instead games are fucked over devs that would have otherwise made good games. Totally different from the past.

>ecause those same devs are fucking abysmal and using them as a shield for their own incompetence.
And this wasn't the case in the past because? You said so?

I think the Ultima series was a big piece of shit. Does that mean Origin deserved to be shut down? Where they incompetent hacks and just using EA to shield for their own incompetence?

>>712454580
I wasn't mindbroken by politics then so it was different!

>>712454540
>Do you have proof?
Do you have proof that most people agree with you? Not some people, not a large amount of people, MOST people.

I can find just as much evidence that crates = wokeness.

>>712447313
Ok that does all suck, but why did the remaining retards working on the game make it so fucking gay and the characters so ugly and so unlikable? I mean even under crunch and all the retarded EA setbacks they still chose to make every character retarded in that game.

>>712454660
My proof is that Aoex Legends succeeded in spite of woke and Veilguard failed because of woke because that's what is comfortable for me to admit

>>712454660
>Do you have proof that most people agree with you?
I can link you the article saying Dragon Age the Failguard failed, if you want. By none other than the Jason Schreier himself.

>>712454394
>Unironic doublethink even if true.
Yeah, funny that ahahah lol.
Pedo satanists.
Raping and murdering children.
Imagine that.
...funny you chose to bring out this line of defense btw, anon. What's your religion ?

>>712454778
Do you have proof most people agree with your definition of woke? That is what I was asking for.

>>712454580
>otherwise made great games
>bioware
Just stop.
You parroted an old line out of context to fit in, and the idea that bioware wouldn’t have shit the bed if mean old EA hadn’t fucked them isn’t just retarded, but insultingly stupid.
And don’t you dare try to pivot, because that’s exactly what you were doing.

>>712454287
>Another goalpost shift
You still can’t justify why BioWare not only forced you in this tranny struggle session but also forced you to agree with it in a rpg.

Also in mass effect, in dialogue you can either disagree or affrim Ashleys beliefs, so yeah eat shit tranny, even when you shift the goalpost you still fail.

>>712453458
which is just more evidence of him being pathetic.

>>712454806
Atheist, obviously.

>>712447313
Nononono, wait.
What this part about darker single player without open world have to do with Veilguard, if this was BEFORE FUCKING ANTHEM? Veilguard was shiny gay shit from the very start.

>>712454840
I do. Apex Legends succeeded in spite of woke cause I said so. And if you don't believe my conjecture, you're a tranny.

>>712453663
>guy who had multiple tweets about how Veilgard was "owning the chuds" that he deleted is giving an unbiased look at the development of the game

Whats it like being retarded?

>>712447459
Barve and give me 30 anon. While EA managment wasted piles of cash with stupidity, Connie Birche getting into stupid slapfights and then proclaiming victory in those articles on how she defeated the chuds wasn't even mentioned/

>>712447461
There's some truth in the article, but Shrierer is a scumbag and he's always out to protect his own first.

>>712450268
>The end of Veilguard is pretty good
this has to be bait, you're not sneaking this one by just like that

>>712454840
We were clearly talking about bullshit, no?
Most people agreed with me DAV was a shit game full of woke shit and didn't buy it. The proof is that most people didn't buy it.
Now is your turn, anon. Where is the proof that most people bought it?

>>712454873
> and the idea that bioware wouldn’t have shit the bed if mean old EA hadn’t fucked them isn’t just retarded, but insultingly stupid.
Why? Because you personally dislike them? That is not a criteria. Again, I could just as easily argue the idea that Origin wouldn't have made Ultima 9 or that Westwood wouldn't have killed itself insulting.

>/v/ defending EA in current year
the great replacement really did happen, didn't it

>>712448562
>so it’s EA’s fault the tone was light, also here’s a quest where you become trans

>>712454908
They forced you to agree with it most likely because it was necessary for the plot or it was in character with the guy you were playing. That is always their excuse.

>>712455081
>Most people agreed with me DAV was a shit game full of woke shit and didn't buy it.
By that logic most people didn't buy any given game. GTA 5 is a failure because it didn't literally sell one copy to every single person on the planet.

>>712447879
Running up the tab like that turned it from a gigabomb to, would have been bomb of the year if it wern't for Concord and Ubisoft. EA fucked shit up.

So, I only can imagine what the dialogue was like BEFORE the ME people told them to get more serious.

>>712455132
It happened insofar that justice still exists and white people hate justice.

>>712455226
Anon, it's true that people didn't buy this game.

Which means it's also true they didn't buy it for the reasons I want them to not buy it (It's le woke)

This is flawless logic and you can't dismantle it. Just give up.

>>712446719 (OP)
Reminder that the key creatives who worked on veilguard, and have previously demanded 4chan's shutdown are still in the industry.

Two writers went to Ghost of Yotei.
Birche is now on Hasbro's new magic or DND game.
A few ran to CD red.

>>712455132
I don't defend EA. I just refuse to believe in biowaredindunuffin.

>>712454134
>we previously had both things
For AAA games we really didn't, unless you want to count Mass Effect and Dragon Age having faggot romance options and a few dozen games having blacks as main characters as equivalent to the vast majority of games with games with straight white dudes as protagonists. It is retarded on their end to want games to be made exclusively for them, though.

>>712455347
4Chan should be shutdown, but only after everybody on /pol/ is arrested and liquidated.

>>712452558
Nobody is even defending EA. Quit being a faggot and intentionally trying to poison the well by trying to push a shitpost narrative

>>712455347
Chuds lost

>>712447313
Yeah no the devs were already faggots this doesn't excuse them

There are no successful woke games. Just because you cling to a beloved series like a parasite doesn't mean you're part of its success. On the contrary, you were so harmful that you managed to kill Star Wars and other Goliaths.

>>712455376
>You refuse to believe it
>Because it doesn't match the narrative in my head.

>>712455413
Yeah, you are.

>>712454937
The timeline of DA4 (Veilguard) is:
>Devs finish up Inquisition DLC, start work on sequel (condename Joplin)
>Decide early on to not go for as large a world as Inquisition because it was a nightmare to work on with Frostbite
>Decide that the Dreadwolf (Solas) plotline requires a darker tone also, so they'll make a denser and more dark game for the next DA
>2yrs of work pass as they get deep into pre-production
>EA tells them they have to throw those plans away and make an MP game with as broad appeal as possible instead
>They drop a lot of the plans for Joplin and essentially start making a spinoff that won't follow up the Dreadwolf plotline
>Years of struggle and distractions pass, EA comes back again and says okay actually scrap the MP plans just make an SP game as fast as you can in the next year and a half
>Team doesn't have time to work on planning out a new idea for DA4 because they don't have a pre-production period, so they have to instead try take the work done on the MP spinoff and rework it into something resembling Joplin to follow up on the Dreadwolf stuff as a direct sequel to Inquisition
>This goes fucking terribly due to a mix of EA treating the team bad, the team being disorganised due to layoffs and the ME team being put in charge halfway, and having a terrible base to start from with the stuff they had made for the MP game not fitting at all for a dark fantasy SP RPG
>Veilguard releases

>>712455347
being at hasbro is its own punishment

>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND GUYS. EA FORCED US TO MAKE EVERYONE SHAPED LIKE A FRIDGE.
>WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE QUEER AND UGLY IT WAS ALL EA NOOOOOO!!

Yeah yeah yeah.
Fuck off already, go bankrupt and crawl back under your sewer pipe.

>>712455478
>There are no useful woke games.
Fate Grand Order disagrees.

>>712455478
This. Apex Legends was a beloved series for white men before you wokies ruined it.

>>712455226
>By that logic most people didn't buy any given game. GTA 5 is a failure because it didn't literally sell one copy to every single person on the planet.
No, most people agreed with me that GTA5 is a good game.
I'm still waiting for your proof anon, you asked for mine where is yours?

>most likely because
Wait
I hope this isn't implying you didn't even play DA:V
You did, right?

>>712454580
Thou has lost an eighth!

>>712446719 (OP)
Didn't they explicitly said 4 was always meant to be a single player game? Also unlike some games there isn't a single thing in Veilguard that felt like a left over system from a GaaS game.

>>712446719 (OP)
I mean the game is PLAYABLE.
It's literally the story, dialogue, and characters that drag it down to hell. You're telling me that was somehow the toughest bit they couldn't rectify?

>uh it's Bioware being forced to make live service that doomed a a single player RPG which is supposed to be their wheel house!

i know that rat fuck jason will try to find a way to make it look like EA did everything wrong (at least until it benefits him) and bioware did nothing, but if bioware didn't fill the game full of unlikable characters that even the retards that love critical role would turn their noses up at then maybe people would feel sorry for them a bit

>>712455595
This. And by the way, people buying GTA VI is proof that they hate woke, because J bought GTA VI and I hate woke

>>712455595
>No, most people agreed with me that GTA5 is a good game.
Then why didn't most of the human population on the planet buy it?

>I hope this isn't implying you didn't even play DA:V
Why would I?

>>712455694
We're all buying GTA 6 so we can hit and run gay parades, stay based anon

John EA wrote every single line himself

>>712454069
It shows that his judgement is compromised, and that's why randoms on youtube are better at predicting hot sellers than he is.

People have lost millions of fucking dollars because of his arrogant stupidity. I don't think he's even done an article on Fifa or Football slowing down, because they made the female players better than ronaldo and messi and fucked up the gacha.

>>712447702
They refused to respond to this.

>>712455226
Complying to that tranny session was in no way necessary for the plot. Fuck off.

>>712455656
Yeah? Shit is hard to edit, especially when you also have VA to deal with.

>>712455752
Yep. Gamers just want to kill games. Best selling game ever lets you kill gays. The proof is in the pudding.

>>712455413
From what I skimmed in the thread it's basically deflecting the blame from EA to Bioware and otherwise blaming Bioware more than EA for the corporate dickery that happened.

>>712453052
Barve it up for Taash anon. You need to catch up.

>>712455810
Why?

>>712455538
I imagine they also suffered from the same thing that killed Arcane Studios. Devs join Bioware to make Bioware games. When they are instead forced to make live service slop, almost everyone with any talent quickly leaves and is replaced by outsourcing and fresh hires with no experience.

When they then suddenly had to make a real game again, all the people who knew how to actually do that had long since left, and all they where left with was the people who stuck around making a soulless cashgrab for the paycheck.

>>712455191
>tone was light
Seems plenty grim to me.

>>712455725
>Then why didn't most of the human population on the planet buy it?
Can you prove they didn't? Previously you implied players numbers don't imply it being less sales, can you prove most of the human population didn't buy it, cleared it in a weekend, and stopped? Can you?

>>I hope this isn't implying you didn't even play DA:V
>Why would I?
Damn bro
Are you Mr. Schreier?

>>712455859
Shut up, tranny. We just want to blame leftists and pretend EA did nothing wrong. That doesn't mean we're on EA's sidemrwax

>>712454041
If not where the conversation for the game is, what else would one surmise the interest for the game is? People talk about what they walk away from the game with. If it is the girls, then it is the girls. Why would you talk about the things that you don't like about the game, when you are talking about the things that you like about the game? Oh, I can't wait to do outpost grinds, that's fun. Nobody said that.

>>712453106
The game was a broad spectrum failure, much like concord. Only the gameplay was sort of passable.

>>712447313
>They really were just absolutely fucked over by EA and the other teams at Bioware in the end.

>>712455132
How many more times are you going to spam this and then reply to yourself in this thread? Who is actually stupid enough to fall for this?

>>712455630
>Also unlike some games there isn't a single thing in Veilguard that felt like a left over system from a GaaS game.
If you actually think this and aren't just a fucking retard that doesn't even know anything about the game. Then live service slop has long since rotten your brain and you are too far gone to come back.

>>712455957
I'm not a tranny though

>>712446719 (OP)
EA probably tried to get some money out of it’s shitshow which is their job

>>712455994
This. We just hate trannies and love EA. Nothing wrong with that.

>>712455939
>Can you prove they didn't?
Game only sold 215 million copies. Total population of the planet is 8 billion.

>Previously you implied players numbers don't imply it being less sales, can you prove most of the human population didn't buy it, cleared it in a weekend, and stopped?
Yes. We actually know the sale numbers of GTA 5 so it doesn't matter.

>>712455895
you would know if you had played it

>dude it actually wasn't our fault that we made one of the shittiest most retarded things of all time, it was definitely all management and we're totally innocent
Too bad it's still going on your CVs. :^)

So why the extensive and ACTIVE PR campaign built on lies? Why did they try and trick people into buying this fucking mess? If they pushed out a shitty game then why couldn't they be honest and own up to it? Why tout the "GLORIOUS RETURN TO FORM" so hard?
Why obfuscate the truth?

>>712456080
215 million people that bought a game where you can kill gays. They're all anti-woke just like me.

>>712455964
Because talking about gameplay rarely happens on 4chan unless it's very specific places.

>>712456090
Can you explain it?

>>712455132
It's not the fact that EA wasn't complicit you retard, it's the fact that the elephant in the room (bioware's woke incompetence) wasn't mentioned even once in the article. That was by far the biggest contributing factor to why the game failed, not because the gameplay itself was bad because dragon age already has its fair share of bad games.
No one is defending EA here, but when you have a kike that's well-known for playing the identity politics game to "own the chuds" everything was EA's fault and the bioware devs couldn't possibly do anything wrong, people are going to sniff the bullshit from a mile away.

sup GCJ niggers?
Daily reminder that no woman or tranny will give you attention because you defend dogshit games online in an effort to own da chuds

>>712456132
>Why did EA market their game to sell more copies?
I think you forgot your brain somewhere.

>>712447313
they could’ve gotten another 3 years it would still be garbage

>>712456080
So sales copies matter now, huh, because we know?
But if we don't know, then it depends on what your current narrative about "players" is?
Interesting.

>>712447313
>After years of flailing at it trying to make it work and pivoting towards the snarky MCU dialogue and all-action route EA wanted for mass appeal they get sidetracked helping to try get Anthem out the door
Anthem came out 6 years ago, how long was this game in production? It's pretty unforgivable that they spent, what, 10 years making this game, and it's still so fucking shitty. Just utter incompetence that no amount of "but EA made us!" excuses can justify.

>>712447313
A tranny wrote this post
They 100% were fucked by trannies and nothing else

>>712455859
>hmm who could possibly be in the wrong here? the neoliberal faggots that work at bioware and grandstand their retarded political beliefs or their evil corporate overlords cracking the whip on them? my brain is too simple to understand it might be both their faults because i can only process information in dichotomies of us vs them
retard.

>>712456132
>Why did the publisher try to sell his game and not just admit it was shit?
This is what culture warriors see as a gotcha

>>712456215
giwtwm

>>712456080
>Game only sold 215 million copies. Total population of the planet is 8 billion.
that isn't proof, maybe people refunded it after finishing the game

Yeah nah.
The team is responsible no matter how much you offsite trannies try to push the narrative otherwise.
Get fucked.

>>712455895
It’s part of the romance path for the goblin not for the plot.

Seriously tranny stop this. You lost.

>>712456143
It's also a game where you can murder whites, so clearly the game is actually anti white, aka woke according to a lot of people.

Not all people though.

>>712456158
>The elephant in the room
>The fantasy I made up in my head.
Wow, how dare they stick to facts!

>>712456198
If we know about them, we can actually draw facts from them, yes.

>>712448714
This looks like they just randomly labeled characters as queer out of the lineup. You could switch all the labels around at random which is probably how they decided who was gay / bi / tranny etc.

>>712455576
>Apex legends
You mean the game that killed titanfall for watered-down trend-chasing BR slop and microtransaction printing machine? Yeah I would say that's an apt comparison lmao

>>712455859
>>712455957
Blaming EA for being EA is fine, and more than deserved. But this really isn't a case where EA fucks a good developer. These people made some of the worst shit of the year.

>>712455972
Oh and don't forget her intervew that Kotaku motherufucker.
>Corinne Busche Is the Ruler of RPGs, Conqueror of Haters

>>712456208
>how long was this game in production
Two years on Joplin, their original plan for DA4, after finishing Trespasser.
Four years on the dogshit MP spinoff EA demanded they make instead of Joplin.
Roughly three years trying to salvage the MP spinoff and turning it Veilguard.

>>712455907
nigga, they all had already left by the time Mass Effect 2 released in 2010 because they knew EA was shit.
Only retards stayed, what you're seeing is not people leaving because of live service slop, it's the conclusion of a 15 years long downward spiral.

>>712456208
>It's not the fault of bad leadership that something took a long time to build.
If a general marches a army to the wrong location. Whose fault is it that they miss the battle?

>>712456268
Would have still counted as a sale.

>>712449421
>He doesn't know about steam market place money laundering

>>712456151
>>Because talking about gameplay rarely happens on 4chan unless it's very specific places.
So people are drawn to the game for reasons other than the gameplay.
It doesn't mean that the gameplay is dogshit, but the real draw is a different feature. Most of the best selling games, while having solid gameplay, have that extra something. For example, I hate shooters, but my favourite game of all time is ME2, primarily a shooter. Why? Because I love RPGs and it has one of the best casts in video game history. If it were just a hallway shooter, I wouldn't give two shits about it.

Do cuckcirclejerk nigger retards really think they are not immediately noticed?

>>712450048
It wasn't woke on release. They wokified it after it was popular. You know, the old method for spreading propaganda into games.

>>712456317
Schreier, is that you?

>>712446719 (OP)
>The quirky woke dialogue was actually toned DOWN after Forspoken flopped
Imagine the unedited product.

>>712456317
No, people bought Ballad of Gay Tony thinking it was about killing Tony. I have proof of this: It's what I thought

>>712447313
Reading it like this makes it seem like the game was in production for 4 years when in reality it was closer to 10
Sure, they got fucked over, but a lot of the things they were trying to rewrite shouldn't have been written in the first place

>>712456237
You sound like your time spent on the internet today is more than 3x the amount of time spent playing videogames today.

>>712456295
>It was part of a optional romance.
Welp, there you have it.

>You lost
No, I got exactly what I wanted. No wonder you where being so evasive.

>>712449270
His tribe is behind its production

>>712456439
Black woman with pink hair btw /v/ bitched about it before release. But now it was actually not woke.

>>712446719 (OP)
Schreier say’s alot of things

>>712447320
You deserve death.

>>712456418
Most games can have different appeal, and most people here don't care about gameplay, that is not however proof for the majority.

>>712456376
That is still an entirely doable amount of time to make a good game. Their problem is that the game was SHIT from the very beginning. A polished reworked turd is still a turd. They could've labored over this game for 20 years and still produced shit.

>>712456570
Seething

>>712446847
If it had no tranny stuff it would still be a bad game, though.

>>712456151
Nowhere in the main quest of the game, a character choice of gender or sexuality is referenced or causes some kind of natural/racial trait to change or affect anything. It's completely and utterly disconnected and unrelated.

>/v/ loves EA now
Welp, looks like reddit finally won. Time to leave this god forsaken shithole, I guess

>>712456547
It had a bunch of blank slate characters with "diverse" designs mixed in but none of this queer pride parade shit. That was added after the fact.

>>712456662
No, it wouldn't. All it had to do was have no trannies in it and have a hot woman sucking my cock and it would have sold 8 billion copies. Go back to GJC, tranny

>>712452065
And those evils are going to be way easier to criticize now that they will be blamed on "the evil antiwoke chuds who have taken over gaming" and people will actually try to push back instead of slurping up trash to own the chuds

>>712456691
Publishers like EA only want good games that sell, it's not their fault that devs are corrupt and woke.

>ctrl+f woke
>1 of 105
Anita was right about us.

>>712450408
Titanfall is a fundamentally broken concept.
You can't have all directions traversal and keep the generic cover shooter structure since you are exposed from a billion angles. That shit just doesn't work in multiplayer. Campaign is good. But no one is this wrong for good fps campaigns since the fps audience is filled with knuckle draggers.

Well good, I'm glad it failed.
I feel no sympathy for a company who makes terrible decisions putting out terrible products.
Why should I feel bad about it doing terribly?

>>712456403
>Would have still counted as a sale.
not, you can't report money that doesn't exist

>>712456845
Afraid so. But Anita gave culture war tards the playbook. She's responsible for all this

>>712456151
I think you only deserve a glib halfassed effort. Veilguard is about stopping an elder elven god from using the Darkspawn and smashing the barrier between the mortal, and the magical realm of the dead. Think, grand, sweeping, destroy the world epic.

Disagreeing should have lead to a:
>I hate you for being a chud, but we still have a world to save, so lets get it done.
or
>We'll fight to the death over this, but not until those fuckers are dead first.

>>712456457
>but a lot of the things they were trying to rewrite shouldn't have been written in the first place
This exactly. If they had written a solid script in the first place they wouldn't have been in a bad spot to bring the game to completion. Making single player RPGs is old hat for Bioware, it's what they built their brand on, going back to formula should've been a breeze, and would've been if they had a solid script for the game. But they didn't. Somebody realized the script was total ass (probably after early testing revealed players found it "gay and lame") and panicked, causing the game's development to stall out as they desperately tried to rewrite it.

The problem is Bioware no longer knows how to write a good script.

Veilguard was not a videogame.
It was far left propaganda pretending to be a videogame, and it got put where it belongs. Right into a fucking dumpster.

>>712456215
No.. EA was still EA and ALSO fucked them. But the trannies fucked them more.

>>712457010
If it was far left propaganda it would actually be good though. Most games that do well recently are far left propaganda.

>>712456491
>optional
No it isn’t, regardless on whether or not you want to romance this goblin, you are still forced to sit in a tranny struggle session and agree with it.

Once again tranny, you lost.

>>712456420
They don't care. They're just trying to make it "controversial", while the fucks who screwed this game up get positions, which is why Ghost of Yotei is probably screwed hard.

>>712456317
>It's also a game where you can murder whites, so clearly the game is actually anti white
We just respect everyone, you can kill whites but we made most of the game non-white and non-hetero to make the point clear.
Think anon, think.

>no taking accountability
I have to take my hat. You trannies will never be a real woman, but at least you managed to master this part

>>712455482
>Because
I know Schreier is a retard, a bootlicker, a politically driven dog on a leash. I also played DAI. So yeah, no.

>>712457071
No. BG3 was right wing propaganda. Bear sex, homos and trannies are based and redpilled.

>>712456845
Failguard was a woke game you nigger.

>>712456572
>most people here don't care about gameplay, that is not however proof for the majority.
OK, but /v/ is one of the top 3 boards of this site. And we're getting millions of users a day.
Arguably, I think that is very representative.

>>712457165
I never encountered any of that in my playthrough of the game.

Imagine if they fought back against EA with a fraction of the energy they spend screaming about underworld incels of basement hell

>>712457156
>Because of the narrative in my head
welp...

>>712446863
Yeah it's not as if a lefty propagandist isn't running defense for his side
No, micro transactions did not lead the devs to put unlikeable characters and woke mouth pieces in the game

>>712456938
Anita didn't invent demagoguery

>>712457071
Shut the fuck up, libtard. Go play your surgery scar simulator by yourself faggot.
>NOO MOM I DON'T WANT TO BE A DRAGON I'M A QUEER WITH HORNS HURRRFFF

So tired of you little bitches constantly trying to find issue with every little post. I didn't ask you SHIT. Don't @ me again you little faggot.

>>712456873
You shouldn't,but you should ALSO be tracking the roaches running to infest other potential games you like.,

>>712457071
Far-left propaganda isnt fun enjoyable or good.
If thats all your game is about then it'll flop and hated.

>>712457108
>It's part of the romance path
>But also it's required
So the actual issue is that the romance path is required?

That's fine. I would hate if the game forced you to romance somebody you don't like.

>>712457202
/v/ genuinely cares less about gameplay than most other boards about games.

>>712456845
>Us
you speak only for yourself faggot, find the bridge, NOW

>>712457275
This, just admit we are right even if we aren't, you fucking trannies

>>712457208
Give it another playthrough. Give in to your dark urges.

>>712457232
That's not narrative, that's an actual fact. Schreier isn't a journalist, he is a politically driven whore, who is ALLOWED to report on SOME things. Hence the leash. Part about retard doesn't even need an explanation, that's objective.

>>712457314
>Far-left propaganda isnt fun enjoyable or good.
Name games you like.

I can promise you right now: Far left propaganda.

>>712457208
Me when I lie

>>712457321
>>/v/ genuinely cares less about gameplay than most other boards about games.
I can guarantee you, it takes more than gameplay to sell a game. Why did people dislike TLoU2 so much, compared to 1, and why did it sell 1/3 of TLoU's lifetime copies?

When did /v/ get taken over by corporate bootlickers?

>>712447313
EA deserves all of their games to fail, unfortunately FIFA still sells extremely well and consistently so, so they have basically infinite money from it.

>>712457381
>He isn't a journalist
He's more reliable than every single far right grifter on youtube, I can promise you that right now.

>>712456403
>If a general marches a army to the wrong location. Whose fault is it that they miss the battle?
If the army followed, both, because it implies neither the general or the army knew what they were doing and where they were supposed to go.
>b-but the general FORCED them to go
That was not part of the original question.

>>712457406
>Name games you like.

>>712457406
RDR 2. And no, tranny, it isn't woke. Girl bosses, ahistorical anti-racism and the inabilty to kill oppressed Indians are based and redpilled. We love black people here.

>>712457463
>it takes more than gameplay
Arguably, sure. Doesn't change the fact /v/ doesn't discuss gameplay.

>>712457473
Dude, are you dense? Just check any of the company wars threads. Every one of those fuckers is stanning a company.

But that's not what's happening here. The Veilugard team fucked up SO badly that some anons trust EA more.

>>712446719 (OP)
ERRR TOP THE CHARTS????

>>712457476
Not anymore. FIFA, fucked up their gacha with feminisim, and they aren't making as much.

>>712447313
Pretty sure EA doesn't tell the team to make ugly tranny shit. The horn tumors just look like raw retardation, if EA had balls they would have stopped there. But somehow figured the modern audience would consume slop.

>>712457321
>So the actual issue is that the romance path is required?
>
>That's fine. I would hate if the game forced you to romance somebody you don't like.
That is not what the anon said, stop pretending to be retarded

>>712457551
Can play as a woman in a Arthurian setting. Far left propaganda.

>>712457473
r/GCJ is here

>>712457493
Not when it comes to predicting and tracking AAA success. He's been terrible at that.

>>712456617
Kill yourself, troon

>>712457717
TRVKE

>>712447313
Even I could have done a better job salvaging the game. Just scrap the LGBT dialogue and make a game about niggas killing dragons

>>712457321
The character itself was clearly some self insert troon on the BioWare writing team and so they force the player to comply through a struggle session because their mommy or daddy didn’t agree with their tranny nonsense.

libs physically can’t disparage diversity, esg, lgbt, ugliness, feminism, their entire worldview requires finding a white male to blame

>>712454134
This

>>712457775
Not really, no. Nor is that his actual job as a journalist, that pat he's good at.

>>712457710
The dumb tranny keeps trying to shift the goalpost and gets BTFOd every time. He tried to bring in mass effect and got proven wrong again lol.

>>712457593
I don't understand the point you are trying to make. If anything, it seems to agree with the notion that TnA sells games.

>>712457717
They should make more far-left propaganda like tainted grails of avalon then.

>>712447741
Dragon Age has been gayshit for like 15 years. Fuck off

>>712457846
White just means evil. It's fine to blame evil men.

>>712457710
Then say it straight up: Is it a optional scene or do you 100% HAVE to see the scene?

>>712458109
it’s more subversive not to have gayshit now

>>712458058
My point is mostly that you are largely guessing and basing your evidence on first hand experiences on fucking /v/.

Could TNA sell games? Eh, probably. I also think it can do the opposite though. It largely depends on what you are trying to do.

>>712458150
> do you 100% HAVE to see the scene?
Yes

>>712446719 (OP)
This whole thing can be boiled down to
>EA: Make a shit load of money, probably make a live service or something.
>Bioware: We don't know how.
So basically, EA execs are retarded and Bioware devs are incompetent.

>>712458150
>White just means evil.
True that's why trannies killing themselves is a good.

>>712458294
But it's also part of a romance subplot?

>>712457717
But woman isn't Far left propaganda, Body type B is

>>712457338
That kiwi farms thread was kino

>>712447459

>>712458385
Nope. Women in medieval game: Far left propaganda.

>>712447741
delusional cope you only started blaming EA after you "Return to form journalists" run out of scapegoats to blame for dragonage veilguard failure. not once the complained about EA anything when the thought they could trick the fans for dragonage to buy their piece of shit

I knew it was over when my normie friend made fun of the taash non-binary meme. This shit was so on your nose thst even normies startet noticing. The same shit happend with yusuke.

>>712458230
Obviously, swarming a game with TnA for an audience targeted to 4 year old girls, is not a good idea.
But it is unlikely that visually appealing characters will alienate a large portion of the audience. Even women like to play as attractive characters.

>>712458443
What is a woman anon?
I only know Body type A and Body type B

>>712458402
EA DID THIS

>/v/ then
>fuck ea for ruining games and killing amazing studios with evil corpo slave driving!

>/v/ now
>YES DADDY EA SPANK ME HARDER I LOVE YOUR BIG THIK MEATY ROD POURING CUMMIES DOWN MY THROAT!!!!!!

>>712458673
>nu-bioware
>Amazing studio
Lol

>>712458356
See:>>712457108
You have already been told this tranny, you’re just being disingenuous and asking in circles because you lost.

>>712446719 (OP)
>>712458673
If Jason knew all about this and knew all about EA being shit, why did he (and other journalists) claim that DA:V was a huge success and a return to form?

>>712458356
The main plot is about saving the fucking world anon. Just play the fucking thing, or go watch some youtube.

>>712458230
Sex appeal is appeal? Who could have guessed?

Troon loons all over this thread. Nobody wanted this shit when it was being given away on ps+ less than 6 months after it released. Troons and woke lost, and will continue to do so

>>712457265
she used it tho

>>712458313
Pretty much, also, Bioware decided to put in as much post gay shit as possible, ala Taash, and then blame the audience when they didn't show up for xer..

>>712458434

>>712458673
EA sucks but BioWare sucks too, don’t know why this is so hard for you reddit fags to understand.

>>712458591
If we can't define a woman, how can one call misogyny?

We're in sage now, so a final question to anons:

WHO IS WORSE. EA OR MODERN BIOWARE?

>>712447741
If God were Bioware's publisher all he could do was send another flood.

>>712459020
Great question

>>712459039
EA is dying and Bioware is irrelevant so who cares?

>>712449396
something something painter guy quote about how those people just pretend they were never wrong whenever they are found out to be two-faced

>>712458762
>>712458809
>>712458958
>YES HARDER DADDY EA PLEASE!!!!!!!

>>712449952
Yeah, barley an inconvenience!

>>712459186
can you answer my question? >>712458809

>>712458673
>it's not the gay communist devs who made the game gay and communist, it's the money grubbing publisher
Listen to yourself, retard.

>Go woke, go bro– err, write cope article.

>>712458673
You faggots WANTED this game to succeed and make EA money. Nobody in this thread has condoned EA.

TROONS LOSE!