Marathon won't repeat Concord's mistakes said CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment’s Studio

https://web.archive.org/web/20250613164101/https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-admits-marathon-feedback-has-been-varied-but-insists-it-will-avoid-repeating-concord-mistakes-and-commits-to-launch-by-end-of-march-2026

>>712551557 (OP)
Are they canceling the game?

>>712551697
looks like they gave bungholes a new deadline no later than march
they are cooked, this is basically sony saying "time is up, you have to ship this shit, we need to recoup the money we sunk into you fucktards"
remember, sony always says it nicely but it's always a veiled dagger

>>712551795
>time is up, you have to ship this shit
so basically the classic bungie

What have Bungie been doing for three years?

>>712551896
except the people who bailed them out countless times when they were pressed against the wall all left or got pushed out
there is not enough time left to pivot away from the art style, the art audit will eat up the time between now and September. they brought on board Julia Nardin, the batshit crazy bitch that's responsible for the dripfed story of d2 seasons and turned all of bungie's writing into mcu-slop
the ship is steadily sinking and there is not a single competent leader that can turn it around since everyone's just waiting for 2026 when their RSU vest and are ready to bounce.
it's been over long ago, you're just watching the "officers" and "directors" perform the game industry's most disgusting rest and vest paid for by sony

>>712552098
>arrive at office at 10am
>drink coffee for 2 hours
>finally settle down to "work"
>scroll social media
>watch yt
>take a shit for 40 minutes
>lunch
>copy some artists work
>take another shit
>go home

>>712552098
Again, they didn't have a unified vision, so the game was cancelled and remade from scratch several times. By the way, we can see one of the versions of Marathon, which was remade into an expansion for Destiny.

tl;dr Microsoft spy won and drove out all studio veterans

As a fan of old-Bungie, Halo, and the old Marathon games, I'm holding out hope that nu-Marathon will be a good game, a relative success for current year Bungie, and do justice to the legacy of both Bungie as a studio and Marathon as a series.

>>712552448
it wont, wake up

>>712552502
I know it won't.

>>712552448
>old-Bungie
bruh, everyone left several years ago now

>>712551557 (OP)
>We will avoid Concords mistakes.
>Fails to list the mistakes made by Concord.
How can you avoid something you know nothing about?

>>712552448
>As a fan of old-Bungie, Halo, and the old Marathon games, I'm holding out hope that nu-Marathon will be a good game
anon I-

Wait, Sony gave the studio a huge amount of money, with the condition that it would be spent on developers. As a result, the studio immediately went through layoffs. Isn't that a violation of the agreement with Sony?

>I think some really good work, actually, went into that title, some really big effort. But ultimately that title entered into a hyper competitive segment of the market. I think it was insufficiently differentiated to be able to resonate with players.
>And so we have reviewed our processes in light of this to deeply understand how and why that title failed to meet expectations and to ensure we’re not going to make the same mistakes again.
>As I said earlier, we’ve introduced much more rigorous processes for validating, for re-validating, our creative, our commercial, our development assumptions and hypotheses, and we now do that on a much more ongoing basis. That’s the plan that will ensure we are investing in the right opportunities at the right time, all while maintaining much more predictable timelines.
>For Marathon, it’s our goal to release a very bold, very innovative, and deeply engaging title. It’s going to be the first new Bungie title in over a decade. So we’re really excited for that release. We’re monitoring, we’re going through the test cycles. We’re monitoring the closed alpha cycle the team has just gone through. We’re taking all the lessons learned, we’re using the capabilities we’ve built and analytics and user testing to understand how audiences are engaging with the title.
>Some of that feedback, frankly, has been varied. But it’s super useful. That’s why you do this testing. The constant testing, the constant re-validation of assumptions that we just talked about, to me is just so valuable to iterate and to constantly improve the title, so when launch comes, we’re going to give the title the optimal chance of success.
Fucker didn't address shit

>>712551557 (OP)
So, sounds like they have no plan and won't acknowledge the underlying problem that extraction shooters aren't fun and their game is ugly as shit. Very good.

How is the gameplay anyway?

>>712553148
It flopped because it was a troony game, but he was kind of right about the competition. There are a million hero shooters out there, and nobody wants to play them. Concord would have been a commercial failure even without uggo tranny characters.

>>712552583
Everyone except Jason Jones
I still like the guy despite everything

>>712551557 (OP)
All I want ODST like game, but with heavy lean to coop

>>712552254
This plays out like those "my work life XDD" blizzard employee webms I see here

>>712554802
Just play ODST

>>712553652
You're fucking retarded. There was a game from 2016 and then not a single other real game in the genre until december 2024.

Microsoft won lol

>>712555559
Microsoft won the rights to Halo and promptly tanked the brand.

>>712552787
subcontracting to india and getting bribes align with the agreement

the alpha was fun. fuck the faggots shiting on a game they didnt even play.

>>712555559
>no games
>console is dead
>all old IPs are shit now
lol indeed

>>712553652
The tranny marvel le quirky shit and art direction were only part of it, yeah. Most of its competitors in that saturated market were f2p instead of being 40 bucks, for one.

>>712551557 (OP)
It's hilarious how Concord isn't only one of the biggest failures in videogame history but also their mention alone is a kiss of death to upcoming games as well.

>>712555087
It's such a generic and forgettable, oversaturated genre that you can't remember a single instance.

>>712551557 (OP)
>Marathon won't repeat Concord's mistakes
>they are giving the devs an extension until next year
>it is an online shooter that will be dead on arrival
>the visuals are hideous and will turn most people off
>the gameplay is generic and will turn a portion of the remaining interested people off
>Sony still thinks games as a service are the way forward
>Sony still thinks Bungie devs are competent
They 100% are repeating Concord's mistakes

>>712555910
halo was the only good IP microsoft ever had and only bungie at the time could pull them off, all they ever cared about was sabotaging both 343i halo and bungie's new IP after the split lol

>>712556767
>it's so fkn oversaturated!
>there was one in 2008, one in 2016, and one in 2024!

>>712556872
Who is "The Professor" at Bungie?

>>712557514
There were a lot, but you can't remember them because they were so generic and flopped.

>like the artstyle but gameplay looks mid
>turns out entire look of the game is stolen
>looks like a pass from me

>>712551697
FIRST POST. WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING A BAZZ OUT OF THIS POST.

>>712552098
Fucking up Sony's entire live action strategy including Concord.

>>712558195
You're retarded. If the genre was "oversaturated" rivals couldn't have come out and started printing money.
Reminder rivals came out AFTER concord.
There was NOTHING between overwatch and rivals. EIGHT YEARS without a game in the genre.

>>712552301
>tl;dr Microsoft spy won and drove out all studio veterans
There's more to it. Bungie went on a political purge, getting rid of vets, and people who could at least sometimes hit deadlines, especially if they werent "the professor" level of batshit..

>>712552448
Hold up. Straight up with me. Are you buying this day one?

>>712552787
Maybe, but it wasn't enough for sony to sue. Sony could have picked those laid off people up, and they probably did take a few.

>>712551557 (OP)
It's funny when Concord's only mistake was its own existance in the first place

>>712558767
They fired Marty because they saw that he was a registered Republican on his voting records back in 2014, right?

>>712553148
>we’ve introduced much more rigorous processes for validating, for re-validating, our creative, our commercial, our development assumptions and hypotheses, and we now do that on a much more ongoing basis.
So...they discover they're turbofucked and their remaining trannies aren't the good kind of autistic ones but the worse than useless drags on productivity, and the game would need at least another 4 years to be anything but a smoking crater. What is their strategy from that aside from getting shut down by Sony?

>>712551557 (OP)
now they're basically begging you to play it lmao
>WE SWEAR THIS GAME THAT IS CLEARLY CONCORD 2 ISNT GOING TO BE CONCORD 2
>HOLY FUCK WE BLEW A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS THING PLEASE PLAY IT

>>712554802
Bungie fired every former vet working for them, and you'd struggle to find anyone who even owns guns. They don't have the people to make ODST. Enjoy your Gummy Bears and Marathon.

>>712555902
Sell me on this shit. Thanks to a dyslexic rich uncle, I have 600 in steam dollars, even after a stupidly huge buying spree.

They paid 3.6 BILLION DOLLARS for bungie remind you

>>712558882
That was a multi year project to continuously reduce Marty's role in creative and eventually push him out and it was successful. It was also Activison's people in on that one.

>>712551557 (OP)
They don't even know or accept what Concord's mistakes were

>>712551557 (OP)
Really? This game feels positioned worse than Concord. At least hero shooters had enough success at one point to be viable under a AAA budget. Have extraction shooters ever been that popular? I don't know anyone who seriously plays them, just tourists who played Tarkov for maybe a month and people who watch streamers play them.

why do they never account for how late they get into the trends

>>712559582
>angry about being bought out by the enemy
>intentionally make shit games
convince me this isnt the case here

>>712560002
You think he is still with MC on this one?

>>712558767
>Hold up. Straight up with me. Are you buying this day one?
HELL no.
I don't have a PS5.
The only other game I'd be interested in getting a PS5 for is Death Stranding 2, and nu-Marathon itself isn't something I want to play yet, based on everything we've seen so far.
Plus, Sony burned most of its goodwill with me with their "cities can rebuild, Zack" comment. So I'm not likely to buy a Sony console ever again.

I quit Destiny about a year into D1 because I didn't like the gameplay. In fact, I hate the gameplay. It was like they systematically stripped out everything I liked about Halo's systems.
The only thing that kept me playing was making friends to play the endgame content, and those felt like fake friends anyway, who only cared about the game out of a sense of stockolm syndrome.
nu-Marathon looks like it plays pretty much exactly like Destiny.
I don't know what they could change to make me want to play it.
I like the art style, I like Marathon's setting, but the game itself just looks ... like not my thing. So far.
And then it's on a Sony console.

"Brands can rebuild, Sony"

>won't repeat Concord's mistakes
>characters look like shit
Why should I be excited to play as these colorful, "we don't know what the fuck this artstyle is" designer clothes characters?

>>712552254
God I wish a had a job like this
Instead I have to talk to people and actually fix shit...

>>712552301
>>712558767
>microsoft spy
>the professor
QRD?

>>712560259
I sit and look at digital forms from home for 8 hours a day.
It is the most soulcrushing work, but it's physically easy.

I have to leave it though. I can't take it anymore. I'm going crazy.

>>712560547
bro living the dream

>>712560657
For real.
I started this job 3 weeks ago and I quickly realized why they were desperately hiring.

This country is nothing but scams. Land of the Free.

>>712551697
Nah, they are going to flop.

>>712559726
If they know, they certainly didn't say in the article.

>>712560002
Their dev cycle is so long we see various slices, and theyve been incompetent for at LEAST half of destiny's development cycle.

>>712560091
And if you don't have the faith, I can't imagine anyone else giving it a shot. I've loved marathon since it's mac days, but I can't imagine myself buying this.

>>712552254
this is basically Kojima's job

>>712552098
Spending all their time scouring twitter and artstation for things to steal

>>712560378
A lead dev @ firewalk is non binary, and insisted that her pronouns was "the professor", In fact, in the credits she's listed as "prof brown".

She's pretty much a pol caricature, and not only openly pushes for people to be fired over political shit, also pushes for people to be fired at companies she doesn't even work at or play the games of.

I honestly don't think the game is that bad. People just really like Tortanics, and the fact that all the artwork and style design is stolen makes it really fun to make fun of.

>>712555910
Don't they make a shit ton of money with gamepass?

My first Bungie's game was Destiny on PS4. Really enjoyed it until Iron Banner.
I played Halo for the first time in 2022. Great game, too bad what happened to the team, I'd give anything for something similar now.

>>712551557 (OP)
>Marathon won't repeat Concord's mistakes
They're gonna add sexy characters with huge tits and skimpy clothes???

>>712551557 (OP)
BECAUSE THE CEO SAID SO!

>>712561683
it's pretty fucking mid at best, even objectively

>>712561775
>I played Halo for the first time in 2022
The fuck were you doing all this time?

>>712562014
Owning PS3 and PS4

>>712561957
Yeah but people are treating it like a Concord level game.

>>712561584
Who woulda thought pol trannies are real

>>712562357
It literally is the next Concord and Sony can't do shit about it anymore, it flopped before it even released

>>712551557 (OP)
if they want to avoid the mistakes of concord they should turn it into a story-based single player FPS

>>712561085
>And if you don't have the faith, I can't imagine anyone else giving it a shot.
Marathon has some powerful ideas at its core.
It's the foundation for Halo after all, and Halo can be praised (and blamed) for launching vidya into the mainstream market (Halo 3 being the first game to make more money than any Hollywood movie did in the year of its release). That's because of the ideas in Marathon.
nu-Marathon seems to be working from the same ideas, I thought the short film trailer was good, but it's like it needs to get over some kind of invisible hurdle keeping it from being something I'm genuinely excited about.
Some of that invisible hurdle is just straight up Sony being unappealing to me with their political stance during the past 8 years or so, and the apparent hostile takeover of Californians/shit treatment of some of their best Japanese devs.
Sony frankly isn't going to win me back after their bullshit.
Bungie itself has also been a shitshow politically since around 2014 at least, although I feel a little more forgiving of them. It seems like at least some of them are trying, and despite hating Destiny's gameplay I can't say it's a total failure with me. I do like things about it.
But what could possibly make Marathon cool enough to get over the invisible hurdle?
I have my own ideas, like sticking with the hero at the center of the story, telling his story, but because he's a toxic male power fantasy that's not going to happen.
So I don't think it will leap the invisible hurdle.

>>712552098
They fired the old director and hired that Valorant director. Problem is that the new director seems to not improve things and might have made things worse with his insistence on a hero shooter.

>>712552583
Defeatist faggots like you make me sad.
I don't say; I miss Carmack, Romero and Tom Hall when I say "I miss old iD" I miss the position the company was in when they were all there and regulating themselves and their own dumbass creative shitposting.
Corporationisation is what kills companies, not a few literal whos leaving.

I miss old Visceal games, not those dumbasses that left and made Callisto Protocol.

>>712555902
Literally all of the art was stolen lmao

>>712561683
Have you played it? And straight up, how would you rank it to the other live service bombs as it is. Battleborn. Concord. Radical Heights, Crucible, Lawbreakers, Anthem.

I'd put it in the bottom 25 percent. And most importantly, is what your'e seeing good enough to pay for? You buying this shit day one?

>>712561730
Not enough to cover the AAA bombs that they feed into it. But it's the one thing they have to keep them from shutting the whole thing down.

>>712562357
I'm expecting a Concord class failure. There's no Bazz to even liven things up. It has 3 goddam maps.

>>712563114
Dont' be silly anon. I have LOTS of faith. But it's not with this team. The mandate of heaven is going to some new kids.

>>712551557 (OP)
Devs are just running scams being employed and collecting a check at work for 5-6 years then moving onto the next project after they get fired.


Mindseye even the company founders were in on it and quit before the game launched.

>>712551557 (OP)
It's gonna fail but not for any particularly dramatic reason. The online FPS genre is just massively over saturated. Why would anyone take a gamble with this when they've got loads of similar slop to choose from? If Marathon ends up being buy to play, it's pretty much over immediately.

>>712552254
most productive officedrones

>>712564637
Bungie failing so fucking hard is dramatic enough.

>>712562540
yea its doomed, Marathon couldn't succeed even if they made it good, the public perception on it is completely saturated that its shit.

>>712565421
cope poorfaggot

>>712564637
>but not for any particularly dramatic reason
>The online FPS genre is just massively over saturated
and Marathon looks like shit visually let's be honest
it could have good gameplay and I still wouldn't touch it cus the characters look so so fucking boring

>>712561683
>Tortanic
Now there's a word I haven't heard in a decade... some good times we had

Will Marathon give us a new Bazz?