I love ff9 but im rooking forward to the demake because holy shit is it the worst one to replay. Extremely slow and simplistic combat and was made during the strategy guide era so its filled with missables. Tetra master is unintuitive and rng. You're also punished for levelling up before all party members and stat boost equipment are available (which the game doesn't hint at anywhere) so its optimal to just...not play the game til like disk 2(?) Basically all of my gripes are gameplay related but the setting, music and characters are all great. Announcement any day nowa

>rooking

pantsless woman

Interesting, another guy who "loves" an old game while simultaneously shitting on it to plug a remake. I wonder where we've seen that before?

>>712566751
It's possible to love a game while acknowledging it's flaws. I've never played 9 but his complaints sound reasonable at face value.

>>712566915
Yeah that's all well and good but it falls apart completely when plugging a remake.

>>712567049
Does it? I think it's reasonable to want an updated version of the game that addresses flaws with the original. It rarely ends up working out in a good way, but simply wanting a remake doesn't really invalidate criticism.

>>712567238
>I think it's reasonable to want an updated version of the game that addresses flaws with the original.
Yes but we're talking about a Squeenix remake.

>>712567346
I'm aware, that's why I pointed out it doesn't usually work out for the better. OP loves the game and wants a remake that fixes outdated mechanics, that's not a bad thing in and of itself.

>>712566751
>I wonder where we've seen that before?
in the mirror when you still had a spark behind those eyes. let him dream.

>>712567469
Great. Not what I'm talking about.

>>712567630
Do you even know what you're talking about? I don't think you do.

>>712566915
the battle screen takes forever to start. but the battles themselves are only as fast as your party members' speed stat
and if you actually enjoyed jrpg's back then, then you wouldnt really need a guide cause pretty much everything is there if you just explore

>>712567747
Write me an essay about it.

>>712566083 (OP)
>made during the strategy guide era
>so its filled with missables
nigga, listen to yourself
if you know about a missable, then you 1) found it or 2) LOOKED IT UP IN A GUIDE
stop acting superior and look at yourself in the mirror, you are a GUIDE READER, so fuck you

I get OP completely. Personally I love Silent Hill more than anyone on planet earth, but let's be real here, the "classics," that is 1-3, actually kinda suck. I'm so happy Konami is remaking them for the modern era. Now we get much better gameplay, writing, and voice actors like Troy Baker!

>>712566083 (OP)
The worst thing about FFIX is it's official strategy guide having shit locked behind playonline

>>712567870
Yes and its annoying cross referencing a prayonrine.com guide to find intentionally obtuse missables. And no I'm not "acting superior," pass the marshmallow test before you reply to my post retard.

>>712566751
um yes Im the biggest FF autist ever but some of them are a complete slog to reply even if im incredibly moved by the story character et al. Literally ff8 is carried entirely by a faye Wong song like.

>>712568503
ff8 is literally the easiest to replay, just do a little triple triad

>>712568503
Sorry for the typos im not brown just one-hand phoneposting while at work

>>712568589
Yes and that's what makes it a slog, it's just press Attack to win. 7 has the same problem too but mix and matching materia at least gives you the illusion of "builds."

>>712567834
It's not solely the battle screen or ATB speed, animations and wind-up time are extremely slow and abilities have a sort of queue system as to not overload the PS1 I'm assuming, so you can have a character just standing around waiting even after several "turns" have passed.

>>712570127
atb fills up in those inbetween moment for both sides. if the party is spamming long animation abilities, then it's possible that one of the slower characters may get caught up waiting whilst the enemy gets to squeeze in another shot

>>712570794
enemy characters can get caught up in that too
forgot to add that

>>712566083 (OP)
>slow
yeah kind of
it's still faster than 7 and 8 with no wait and battle speed set to max, just speed through the initial battle animation on emulator
>simplistic
lol no. it still has some of the most unique rpg interactions in turn based RPG history. it's simple yet deep, not simplistic. there's so much variety to every zone and its array of monsters you never really get bored of it.
the game is pretty engaging and high iq. it's kind of surprising the gameplay designers were that into it. it's made for replays though
more rpgs should take notes explicitly from ff9, 13 and type 0. world class game design that doesn't really get topped, it's like a good ass steak in jarpig form

>>712566083 (OP)
>Complains that a game is too complex
>Is pining for 'demake' the casualizes the game

>stat boost equipment
>not play the game until disk 2
I defeated Ozma without this autistic shit

>>712572247
>Didn't read the post.
>Makes up things in his head to get mad about

>>712572427
>"I like the game"
>"But it's too tedious"
>"Can't wait until the 'demake' that streamlines it"
Either play a different fucking game, or kill yourself

>filled with missables
Oh no, not one of the 4 moonstones or the emerald that drops from a regular mob and you can get an infinite number of emeralds...
and uh... uh or the... oh yeah the excalibur II that doesn't do anything special!

>>712572629
He complained about Tetra masters is being shitty and RNG, this is true and could use some fixing in a remake.
He complained about optimal ways to level your party being to just not play at all, which could use some adjustments in a remake.
He complained about retarded shit that you could never ever possibly figure out yourself like the Zodiak Speak in ff12, which should be fixed in a remake.

When did he say that the game is too complex?

>excalibur II sidequest
>transitioning loading times in battle
>unskippable cutscenes (before remasters)

>>712573053
>unskippable cutscenes
He doesn't know

>>712572958
why do you think these things "should" be fixed in some god forsaken demake?

>>712573114
I said before remasters

>>712573248
Why are you even defending purposely obtuse game design to incentivize purchasing a $20 game guide?
Remakes and remasters should revise poor gameplay design choices first and foremost

i want to rip out Eiko's horn and make her use it as a dildo.

>>712571936
>13
I agree with you there. I like that it was less about which actions you take and more focused on rapidly switching paradigms to take advantage of certain bonuses. I.e. sen sen sen when a huge hit is about to come, or swapping your ravagers to commandos to stabilize a volatile stagger gauge.

I liked that none of the weapons were useless either, since they all upgraded into different passives depending on how you wanted to build that character.

>>712566083 (OP)
That’s why you play it with a fast forward

>>712568305
Not going to lie, I miss stragey guides

>>712573481
>incentivize purchasing a $20 game guide
they're also there just to let you replay the game and have some fun. no guide will actually help you get excalibur II btw that's all getting good.
"obtuse" game design gives these games their identity. you can also figure most of it out without a guide by just experimenting and actually playing the game.
thinking tetra masters is too RNG is literally a skill issue btw

>>712568305
didn't that close down years later?

>>712573791
Same, I still have many of mine somewhere in storage

>>712573791
Yeah I miss the artwork especially, ff12s was gorgeous with huge spreads of all of the espers.

Ff9's was bad though, the strategy guide just tells you to go to playonline.com. for everything. It's annoying cross referencing a web page every 10 minutes if you dont want to miss any of the MANY missables.

>>712573885
playonline is still up for XI
idk about the other stuff. My parents were late to get on internet, so I never had access during the time of FFIX

>>712573871
Tetra is literally rng and poorly explained in-game.

>>712573871
Most players would never even know it existed to have "fun" getting it. The only way you would know about it is if you purchased a guide in the first place. Excal II is in almost the exact same tier as the Zodiak Spear, in which you have to pay the $20 tax or hear about it from a friend that purchased the guide to even discover its existence.
I can't believe there's people so contrarian on /v/ that they defend this

how did they from triple triad to.... tetra masters?

>>712574242
this nigga doesnt even speedrun games for fun or go to user groups or IRC lmao
you do know gamefaqs existed back in 2000 right?

>>712574658
Move them goalposts nigga.

>>712574698
oh nooo how dare the game have actual secrets dopamine babies literally cannot conceive actually using their brain for anything more than pushing a button and getting their food lmfao
fucking zoomers man

>>712574291
high iq

>>712574774
I'm 33 and played final fantasy 9 when I was 11.
You have a very bad case of nostalgia and get angry when people criticize games you like because you are mentally a child

>>712574774
>zoomers

what's next, trannies?

>>712573791
Last one I got was ff13 so I never got one again after that

>>712571936
im only even asking this because you said one single intelligent thing out of all this.
>should take notes explicitly from
>13
So in what way is ff9 simplistic but deep because those are the characteristics I would assign FF13 specifically and its entire series. And what should be learned from ff9 specifically? if it really is one of the few JRPGs and especially Final Fantasy's to actual have merit to its gameplay then i am intrigued, and compelled to wonder if my experience with it was simply a matter of giving up on its shit boring garbage story too early, and it feeling too generically final fantasy, embodying all the same flaws the series never learns from.

>>712574867
you were 11 and you didn't know how to look up faqs and print them out after beating the game?
cuz ever since shit like sanic people were primed to replay games just to look for shit they've missed
>mentally a child
that's a compliment