what makes a good rpg? is it the fact that you can choose how to act and what to do? multiple endings? do you prefer a straight story with a clear goal? or an exploring experience with quirky characters with their little lore bits and stuff?

>>712579909 (OP)
It's cool to have direct choices and consequences, but for me, it's that your levels truly matter in some way. So I'm going to go with build variety for what makes a good WRPG. Obviously themes and music matter a lot too.

>>712580025
levels as in player levels? or game levels

>>712579909 (OP)
probably player freedom. In FNV, it would be cool to watch Cass fuck other men and let me watch

>>712580162
Player levels. Fallout 1 and 2 have great build variety and the perk system makes replays feel fresh every time.

>>712579909 (OP)
character advancement. however you get stronger through level ups or gear or whatever and then being tested with progressively stronger encounters
you also need a good ruleset to make those encounters fun.
multiple endings are gay. if you want narrative choices and consequences, make those consequences happen well before the credits roll.

>>712580173
yeah especially if it's black men imo

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>>712581081
do you prefer factions and companions or would rather go solo/duo w companion

>>712581308
parties for tactical depth and not bioware relationships

>>712579909 (OP)
The ability to actually roleplay.

Games that call themselves RPGs but really are just action games, where you play a single, pre-determined role of someone with dispositions/attitudes/ideals that were chosen before you picked up the controller:
Outer Worlds / Fallout 4 / Witcher
>Every quest/goal is accomplish via the same route regardless of playthrough
>The type of character you're playing doesn't affect dialogue or choices
>Your character can have different skills, but maximizing those skills is accomplished in the exact same way, often in the form of picking 1-2 skills no matter the build (Like blacksmithing / weapon smithing, etc)

Vs, actual roleplaying games that put primary focus on letting you create a unique character in a world and experience it through that unique lens, resulting in different experiences each time.
New Vegas / BG3 / KOTOR
>Quests/goals have different outcomes or methods of finishing them, usually based off of skills/alignment
>Dialogue and choices have variety, change dependent on character, and have different results
>Builds do vastly different things and must be leveled up in different ways

>>712579909 (OP)
Diverse play styles with real advantages and disadvantages that are as influential on the gameplay and narrative as possible to facilitate interesting roleplaying opportunities.
The more I can riff off of the systems and the setting to bring my character head-canon to life the more fun Im usually having.
I also think all of the best RPGs are filled with aha moments where decisions or mechanics synergize and react with things in unexpected ways.
I really want to be able to look at the game world, be able to come up with a character concept that makes sense in the setting, and be able to imagine what kinds of opinions and scruples and preferences that character would have, even if only in terms of how they fight, like making a good lore friendly build in Elden Ring or something, and then have the game respond to that accordingly.
I think all of the RPGs that have really stuck around in the collective memory have done so for exactly that reason. Certainly in mine.

>>712583107
i see what you mean, it's not so much about the open world aspect but how you shape it as if you yourself were there, but what about rpgs like final fantasy, etc, that's one of if not the most famous rpg no? what other examples of rpgs are there apart from FNV and why are they so good

>>712583107
Although I really want that to be deeper than just combat. My favorite RPGs are talky. I just meant even modern From Soft games scratch that itch really well in their way. Whatever kind of RPG you're truing to make, I feel the soul of it is in reacting properly to the player's ego.

>>712583376
so you like more the npc talking aspect of it and how they react to your actions, is what you're saying

>>712579909 (OP)
Good fuel, good primers and a solid firing pin

>>712579909 (OP)
I broadly agree with this blogpost
https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2021/12/cRPG-Definition.html
A little oldschool though and doesn't align with the people posting glorified CYOA books ITT

>>712581616
It is surreal to see new vegas still overrated on /v/ across 15 years. It’s more linear in exploration and its questing than 3, and doesn’t really have the same detailed places to roam and discover/nor are they of real interest aside from the vaults. The role playing aspect is overblown. The most you can do is equip legion clothes and trigger fights with ncr, there’s little end game content in general, let alone as a member of the legion, and no real in detail expansion of being a member of any faction aside from 2-3 quests. In 3 one of the most annoying bits is being hunted by talon company mercs that sometimes show up at inconvenient times and become more of an annoyance than anything, people defend the same general idea in new Vegas just cause it’s now the NCR or legion doing it and they say it’s “muh roleplaying”. The brotherhood quest line stuff is maybe a little more intricate, but it has no presence in the game after you’re done with it. The DLC of new Vegas though is extremely kino and completely outdoes the main game.

>>712584802
i really do think FNV is a half baked game, the khans base is the dumbest cheapest place, maybe it's the fact i playerd it in recent years but still, i haven't played the DLC so i can't say anything about it, but what i've seen isn't taht good

>>712583329
Im not personally as much of a fan of JRPGs. I enjoyed Persona 3 and 5 but Final Fantasy is a huge blind spot for me. They seem closet to tactics games than games about making choices. I can't get into Pokemon at all.
I think it's just a different beast. Sorry!

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>>712583470
I love a lot of more combat centric RPGs too like I said, as well as cRPGs like old Baldur's Gate or the like. It's not just about dialogue, but the reactivity is the whole thing. The making numbers go up thing I think people play games like FF for or the entirely fixed story lines is just less engaging. I did really like Mother 2 and 3 though, and Chrono Trigger. They had great atmosphere.

a good RPG doesn't make you zigzag like a retard when navigating your weird hexegon maps

>>712586969