>play this "indie game"
>uninstalled after 25m
Just awful.
Motherfuckers LIED about this having redeeming qualities... it's just a fucking stupidass RPGmaker piece of shit.
God damn I genuinely am fucking hateful of this indie game horseshit.

I loved it
FUCK Joyful, though. Non-canon.

>>712586378
why does Joyful asshurt people like this

>>712586378
Honestly what did you like about it? It's a very shallow game. And it's very GAY, which makes it lame.

>>712586281 (OP)
Yeah, its more of an experience. The combat which is the only gameplay sucks ass

>>712586281 (OP)
woah just take it easy man

>>712586612
Cheapens the ending of the painful. Painful deserves credit for not being wholly cynical, joyful changes my mind. Cynical misanthropy isnt cute or endearing

>>712586704
>indie game is a walking simulator
>or an Earthbound clone
I hate indie games
The only other flavors of indie game are:
>game with ps1-tier graphics and no story
>roguelike shit

>>712586663
people like the party variety, bizarre visuals, and themes about trauma and shit

>zoomies getting filtered after playing for just long enough to fight the dog and maybe one other battle
Grim.

>>712586281 (OP)
I've never seen anyone ever talk about how you play any of the Lisa games so that leads be to believe this series actually must be pretty boring.

i don't like games that are intentionally trying to be depressing
i saw that taking joy is unavoidable and quit the game
>"NO YOU HAVE TO GET THE BAD ENDING"
that's shit storytelling

>>712586927
Walking simulator + (much shittier) Earthbound clone.

>>712586821
>Cheapens the ending of the painful
How so
>Cynical misanthropy isnt cute or endearing
I don't think Buddy's behavior is meant to be cute or endearing. She got raped by a nigger and her only role model was a violent pill head. Abuse is cyclical and comes in many forms.

>>712587028
>game forces you to make some choice
>"YOU ASSHOLE"
Man that can actually fuck all the way off.

>>712587040
It plays nothing like Earthbound, its Legend of Legaia in RPGmaker

>>712587070
It makss Brads personal sacrifice meaningless, is it more realistic that buddy become a sword wielding psycho? Maybe, but its cheap

>>712586927
It's a story game you play it once and move on. It's also depressing so people don't talk about it much beyond making fun of you if your Brad has all his limbs.

>>712586612
This >>712586821 but also the fact that it explains away every mystery of the plot in an overly neat package, stripping away all theories.

The ending is also simply not as impactful. The ending of the Painful is phenomenal. Joyful's is shit.

>>712587220
>It makss Brads personal sacrifice meaningless
who cares, he's a violent loser who murders people who care about him
>is it more realistic that buddy become a sword wielding psycho?
oh I don't think its realistic at all a girl Buddy's age would never be able to actually accomplish what she does just because Brad let her stab tied up dudes, maybe she's supposed to learn from the time spent with Rando but that'd be interpretation
>Maybe, but its cheap
don't insert as Brad he fucked his baby sister

>>712586612
not him, but I don't like Joyful because you're forced to put up with an unlikable character, which I could deal with if the rest was good enough, but the overall tone isn't as interesting or engaging as the base game, and you're stuck playing as a single solo character almost the entire game and that turns the battles into a slog where you repeat the same sequence of actions every time regardless of who you're facing. One of the things I liked the most about the base game was how many options you have to customize your party and how you're constantly getting new members to experiment with, and permadeath can force you to have to switch it up if you don't savescum. Joyful doesn't have that at all and you just hit until it's time to heal, then heal. Statuses don't matter because you should just be attacking. You can't make an engaging turn-based RPG with a single playable character that has no ability customization. It's fucking boring.
A lot of people really dislike the ending, but I didn't mind it all that much. What really drags the writing down for me is the complete lack of levity. There were a few goofy things here and there like Gary the Hot Soup and Sindy Gallows, but the tone was way more serious and intense than the base game. The Painful respects its plot and motivations, but the entire thing is still absurd and weird all the way through, and that builds a lot of gravity for the actual story behind it. Joyful doesn't match that hardly at all.

>>712587435
>explains away every mystery of the plot in an overly neat package, stripping away all theories.
This is just retarded, there were never theories and everything revealed in Joyful is alluded to in Painful's optional areas, Joyful is an intended epilogue that was promised before the initial game came out
>The ending is also simply not as impactful. The ending of the Painful is phenomenal. Joyful's is shit.
I bet you guys hugged Brad

>>712587028
>Taking joy is unavoidable
the player is never forced to take it outside of one cutscene
your ending differs based on whether you choose to use the item ingame or not, and isn't impacted by that cutscene

>>712587640
>who cares
You care enough to respond, dont "I dont even care" spiral on me
>dont self insert as brad
As brad the player makes decisions and proves that the world is not completely free of morality, and that each fucked up person isnt entirely beholden to the state of the fucked up world, that even the most broken and fucked up can know right from wrong and as a result Brad of all people can be the beacon against people who follow along with the destruction of what remains of society out of a combination of malice, complacency, and laziness. The sequel then forces the player to make little to no decisions that actually matter and keeps trucking along without anything of substance to say besides "Yeah shits fucked, why would one guy change that" Its fucking LAME

>>712587686
I don't agree but I wanna point out that everything you seemed to love about Painful that was no longer present in Joyful are things Brad saw fit to kill

>>712586281 (OP)
Filtered

>>712587883
it's just the principle of the thing, you are presented with bad choices and the game berates you no matter what you choose

not taking joy is an option but if you are doing good and do not need it then too bad, you are taking it anyway because we couldn't come up with a good ending because the game is centered about everything being depressing and sadness

>>712588007
the character did not kill the writer's intent, the writer did

>>712587971
>You care enough to respond, dont "I dont even care" spiral on me
I'm telling you "who cares" because I don't give a fuck about Brad
>As brad the player
Nope, I make a handful of decisions for Brad but I'm not in absolute control of what that psycho is doing. Stop inserting as Brad so hard, it seems to me you all construct this ideal "Brad" that's only present in your own heads when the dude is a drug addict psycho and raised Buddy no better than his dad raised him
You're inserting as Brad for no reason, why would anyone want to be Brad? That's like the whole point of that Ricky flashback,
>The sequel then forces the player to make little to no decisions that actually matter and keeps trucking along
Buddy is broken even worse than Brad, tends to happen when you're a girl since women are weak and easily crushed when there's no law protecting them

>>712586281 (OP)
>Motherfuckers LIED about this having redeeming qualities
No they didn't you played it for 25 minutes which is like the intro. What is your point? How do you think you're getting into the redeeming qualities in 25 mins?

>>712588251
You should care about Brad because none are free from sin.

>>712586281 (OP)
this but black souls

>>712588145
If all you have is your pretentiousness now you should know that the guy had a whole different idea of things when he first started the Kickstarter where Rando would be the first party member you get killed and other shit you can scrape from early promotional crap so you're full of shit no matter what because it is likely that the final story of Painful was brought together with everything in Joyful in mind.
Besides you're just inserting as Brad too hard and the game is supposed to be the anti-Last of Us, not the RPG version of it

Lisa is greater than the sum of its parts and the story is only as good as it is because of the poor gameplay and games willingness to punish the player

>>712586281 (OP)
>play story game
>experience none of the story
>sperg out
Gameplayniggers are mentally ill, stick to Fortnite and Minecraft
All bing bing wahoo without none of the thinking required

>>712588390
That's retarded. Brad did everything wrong.

>>712586281 (OP)
did you fall off on the screen where it suddenly transitions to a short cliff without warning
you did
you totally did

>>712587640
Brad didnt rape his sister.....

>>712588137
The good ending is that Brad goes out with a good notch on his belt or not. The ending is different you're just too retarded to grasp the point. When you're an addict people will always see you as an addict whether you continue to use or not.

>>712588493
What the fuck are you talking about?
How did you construe
>The writer wrote the base game with a different tonal intent than the epilogue
into
>You are pretentious and should be analyzing the promotional material and unofficial documents because that proves what he was meaning to do with the writing
Just because he planned to shift the tone doesn't mean it was good
>Besides you're just inserting as Brad too hard
you are deranged and don't have any idea what you're talking about, how would that even be relevant to what's being discussed

>>712588757
Up to debate I guess I haven't played Definitive Edition so I don't know what additional content makes explicit but I got all those ending dialogues and it sure seemed like he was made to do so by Marty

>>712588853
Sorry but you replied to me with nothing but a pretentious comeback that didn't even make sense so you get what you give, fag

>>712589017
Chapter and verse big guy, the most you get is Brad feeling guilt over being somewhat complicit due to not stopping Marty

>>712588007
>>712588493
Why are Joyfultards like this? It was a shitty DLC that he felt obligated to do and it was way less impactful. Stop being a bitch.

>Risk everything to protect the only female known to exist in the world so she can have a somewhat normal childhood and not get instantly giga-raped
>She grows up to hate and resent you because "you were a hecking repressive chud"
>Ending is she doesn't hug you after dying while impaled to protect and save people for no benefit to yourself (and you can lose multiple limbs up to this point) which the game implies you actually deserve and ur just as bad as the rapist bandit lord
How about no. Cringe.

>>712589259
Contrarians cant even contest that noone would even give a shit about The Painful if not for the heartfelt ending.

>>712586281 (OP)
its a bad game with somewhat original writing making it stand out

>>712589134
I can't produce a video of that ending dialogue for you amongst a sea of mixed garbage but I'm not worried about it because I'm on /v/ and you're all retarded either way so it wouldn't matter how it plays out, accepting that Brad is wrong is like accepting that you are wrong and it triggers something deep and emotional in you

>>712589183
>Stop being a bitch.
>>712590065
Repeating over and over that Painful's ending had a great impact upon you also doesn't help you beat the TLoU fan allegations by the way

>>712590065
>I will not(see: can not) produce this but youre an idiot so neenerneener booboo
Zam blud, you got me

The music for this game was really good. I was gifted the vinyl, which I hung up because I don't have a vinyl player.

>>712590301
Thanks, honestly this is better than if I had found it and then you would just split hairs since its text on a black background and up for heavy interpretation

>erm, so brad is like, a total monster
>meanwhile, every line of dialogue not from brad: Holy shit, is that an unattended child, lets fuck it!

maybe he's not into it, like
>been there, done that
you know