HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, how could this series be saved and made popular once again?

Yes we all know it's been toast for over a decade especially now with the next game being UE5 slop and they've put a black woman in charge, and it will never rekindle the feeling of the Bungie years. But what can be done at the very least revitalize the series?

Let it die, it has suffered enough

Halo Infinite still exists and you can play it anytime you want. All the dudebros who started with 3 are too clouded by nostalgia to do so.

>>712588092 (OP)
Of course it can, all they need to do is release a good game.
Doesn't even have to be about Master Chief, another ODST would do, if they have enough people with souls working on it.

>>712588092 (OP)
Making it F2P was a good start, but the game needs a real dev team not 5000 indian contractors that rotate out and get replaced by their cousin who doesn't know how the system works, which would require a big shift and M$ ain't gonna do that shit.

>>712588092 (OP)
Leave it dead for 10-15 years and then make a prequel series exploring first contact with the the Covenant.
Explore the Innies and retcon anything after Halo 3.

Bring back the flood.

>>712588092 (OP)
Just get the fall of reach author to write the story for single player, get marty back for the OST and make combined arms with space combat multiplayer modes. It wont revive the IP because nothing can but it wont be as much of a laughing stock.

Honestly 343's remake plan is the only thing that I can think of, but I know they're going to fuck it up somehow because it's 343. The only question I have is idk what way they will fuck it up because 4/MCC/5/Infinite all fucked up in different ways. The prediction I have is 343 rewriting CE's story to make it "more emotional" and now re-writing the games with the Forerunners = aliens plot point in mind.

>>712590281
They already remade halo 1 and halo 1 is boring as fuck. This endless nostalgia pandering is what killed the ip in the first place.

>>712588092 (OP)
Just let it die for fuck's sake, there are more bad Halo games than good ones at this point

>>712588092 (OP)
>they've put a black woman in charge
No, they didn't, tranny. Want to save Halo, give up on multiplayer and push the singleplayer. Series needs a drop in players and needs to become niche like an AA game again. Singleplayers starring Master Chief, spin-offs about other characters.

>>712590281
>now re-writing the games with the Forerunners = aliens plot point in mind
>now
Why did you expect otherwise, it's Microsoft lore and canon now, not Bungie's of course that's up for debate given I'm still confused on Halo 3 Bestiarum's interpretation of a Reclaimer and Miranda and Johnson being Reclaimers in Halo 2 and 3.

>>712590281
>Halo 4
internet connection issues, story that retcons previous plot events, unnecessary changes to everything, shit artstyle, cod shit
>Halo 5
double down on shit artstyle, story that makes no sense, game releases with half its content missing, butcher armor customization down to 4 slots, add tittyfall movement
>Halo Infinite
staggered multiplayer and campaign releases, campaign is more boring than the previous two, multiplayer receives small snippets of content, forge takes twice the time to come out as compared to 5, campaign content cut, many planned features cut (some even working perfectly fine), completely fuck the armor customization and charge money for colors, game is unofficially abandoned
>Halo CE Demake
Campaign lacks atmosphere the originals had, cutscenes are changed from the original and don't convey the same artistic intent as the original, sprint is added, multiplayer has the less game types than all the previous 343 halos (but it's okay because they can say Halo CE had the same amount), they retain the armor coating system, they retain the rampant monetization, content comes out in the same trickling manner it did in Infinite, this is hopefully where the IP is finally put to rest

>>712589849
author is a chud and marty is a chud too so its not gonna happen

>>712588092 (OP)
Spin offs are where the money really is. We need a game where you play as a member of the covenant, and have that be the main focus of the game (no arbiter missions). Also, firefight has great potential to boost the games popularity more, but as it stands in infinite it just feels empty.

Master Chief is old, let the dood rest. Make spin offs and remasters when appropriate. Quit fucking with the lore aswell.

>>712591427
Actually it's Frankie's lore. He'd been on a mission to re-write the Forerunner plot since at least Halo 3.

>>712591427
writing Halo 4 onwards with the retcon in mind is very different from remaking Halo 1 with it in mind.

>>712588205
Fpbp
Make the Master Chief Collection fully cross platform with all coop and multiplayer modes and just call it. Zoomers aren't into the franchise, boomers are a niche at this point and as >>712590523 says we've all been nostalgia baited enough.

>>712588092 (OP)
dont let 343 anywhere near it.
stop with the whole emotional slop
stop making every character look as real to life as possible bs. (making the characters look like the va's or modern MK)
bring back the flood.
bring back you an AI and a action adventure horror mystery wonder.
no ma feelings, no overdrawn cutscenes and no messages for real life problems.

I genuinely think remaking CE and rebooting the franchise is the right call. No one’s gonna bother with whatever ass sequel they cook up with infinite. It’s unfortunate for those of us do want to see what bullshit they cook up but it is what it is.

But they need to absolutely not fuck up on aspect of the game. I’m talking no lore changes, no cut content, no predatory practices, no dogshit art design, a heavily release of new maps every month, no forced open world bullshit, and most importantly make sure the damn game isn’t buggy at launch. These are what made infinite go from positively received to abandoned fairly quickly. The only lore change I would make is returning to ‘forerunners are actually ancient human’, and maybe tweaking the ending of 3 to set the framework for future sequels better if they want to continue milking the franchise indefinitely. Having said all this, I don’t think they should go too hard. Just keep it simple. Only include the most iconic weapons, the most iconic enemies, and the most iconic game modes.

>>712591878
If you're going to make Halo 4 a sequel to Halo 3 and change the lore up it means that the old games no longer fit with the new games despite being canon. Microsoft's lore and canon now, they want to change it to their lore from Halo 4 onward, they can. It's not a deal breaker, make a fun game and no one will give a shit.

>>712591774
Who cares who it was, Microsoft liked it and fully went with it and solidified it in their games so it's Microsoft's lore and canon. Marcus Lehto himself separated Bungie's and Microsoft's lore and canon from one another. It's no longer the same Halo and technically Bungie's Halo can still exist given Lehto's statement that people tend to ignore.

>>712588092 (OP)
>how could this series be saved and made popular once again?
Can't be done. The world of Halo has been completely retardified by 343. The only way to revive Halo would be to reboot it with a CE remake. But the remake would need:
>appeal to old fans
>appeal to zoomlets
>be good
>not be pozzed
>be feature complete on release
Not going to happen.

>>712588092 (OP)
make a halo rpg

They need to make it so in the new game you can only play as female spartans. but there is an adjustable boob slider and options where there is no crotch and chest armor and you can wear a bikini. also the new AI characters would be different bimbo archetypes.

The enemies you fight would be alien bimbos and robot bimbos. The energy sword would be replaced with a large vibrator or dildo. (multiple skins to use of course and unlock)

in multiplayer downed opponents can call for help to get revived or if an enemy player gets to them they wrestle with them in an erotic wrestling QTE button mashing battle. You can also just hit them with the melee weapon also for extra points but you have to target certain areas for it to work.

>>712592309
Tranny

I don’t mind spartan 3’s being baby spartan 2’s
I don’t mind master chief not being the very last spartan
I don’t mind the forerunners having an army of killer robots and crazy AI who want to eradicate humanity instead of help them
But holy fuck I do not want forerunners to be aliens

>>712590523
>They already remade halo 1 and halo 1 is boring as fuck
A crappy remaster isn't a remake, this is a remake.

>>712592263
I don't think you understand that Microsoft doesn't give a fuck. They don't barge into studios and analyze every single story board for a game. They also don't approve or deny story elements. They hire someone to do all that for them. They just make sure the game comes out on time, doesn't contain anything that could land them in any trouble legally or ethically, and is profitable.

It really can't.

I'm 36 years old, I grew up on Halo 1-3, ODST and Reach. I've moved on from the franchise. I did play the MCC but I still have yet to play Halo 5 or Infinite and have 0 interest in doing so. The story, the magic that made Halo what it was, that had all the hype, that had all of the interest, the epic space opera to save humanity, that story has long since passed the franchise. That's why I played it, yeah the multiplayer too, but I loved the world and the aliens and saving humanity being its only hope, that's what made Halo what it was to me.

I don't even know what the story is now, I assume it's silly and stupid without the covenant. Halo 4 was all over the place, I barely remember the story but it was nonsensical with the forerunners. The Forerunners should have been left a mystery box instead of explained. That was kind of the point I knew the franchise was dying, and now it's basically dead.

To my original point though, the audience just isn't there anymore and will only get smaller. The only thing that could save it in my mind is if they completely rebooted the entire series, and honestly who the fuck wants that? They will just ruin it. They have to get the zoomers and gen A playing these games, and none of them really grew up on Halo nor want to play it in the first place.

>>712592263
you're putting a lot of words in my mouth anon, I don't view bungie games and 343 games as narratively consistent with each other and ignore 343 plot elements outside of laughing at them. However in this particular case when 343 do rewrite Halo 1 as forerunners = aliens they have to grapple with, and show to a significantly larger audience, how their change makes the Covenant's genocide of humanity completed justified in the eyes of their religion and loses the dramatic irony of the religion literally killing their Gods.

>>712588092 (OP)
Make cortana hot. Have master chief do and say cool shit. Bring back dual wielding.
Make multiplayer better and have more modes you can play at launch.

>>712591642
>campaign is more boring than the previous two
The 1/3rd or whatever it was of the campaign that was released was honestly pretty enjoyable. Closest I ever felt to playing Halo 3 since 2010. Shame they never released the rest of it.

Remake 1
Remake 2/3 into one game
Make a new 4 about a civil war set in shanghelios
Go from there

>>712592845
>have more modes you can play at launch.
>you now remember when 343 said that having Slayer as a search option wasn't feasible for Infinite
You can never hate 343 enough.

It died when Halo 5 came out, hell Halo 4 was quite disappointing story wise.

>>712588092 (OP)
Infinite was the very last shot to recover anything left of the Halo fanbase. It's dead

>>712588092 (OP)
Halo Infinite launch playlists and MCC playlists shows that there is such a fundamental disconnect between the current devs and fans that it's an impossible task to fix the series. who could have foreseen that hiring people who hate halo to make halo games could possibly backfire?

>>712592665
>I don't think you understand that Microsoft doesn't give a fuck
I don't think you understand, most in the industry are saying that 343i/Halo Studios IS Microsoft at a corporate level making Halo games, Halo Studios is not some studio Microsoft brought for pennies, they're Microsoft employees working on Halo games. The literal team that worked with Bungie on Halo making the expanded universe back in the day that Bungie never got along with but they were under a Microsoft name, they weren't called 343 or HS at that time. Microsoft wanted these changes because they wanted Halo for themselves, not Bungie's Halo, this was literally in articles.

>>712592775
They're remaking Halo 2 and 3 as well so they'll just rewrite those parts as well, lol.

>>712591642
>shit artstyle
I disagree, that is the only thing going for it unless you mean the blinding Bayformers lights if so, true, fuck them. Who wants to be blinded every 15 seconds?
And you did not mention the barren level design and this is fucking Halo, some levels in CE had enemies very far in between, in 343i it is so much worse.

Also fuck you, the Promethean Knights were cool it is just that the entire Promethean suite of weapons are the laziest reskins ever seen in a videogame. Alien tech that mirrors late 20th century human weapons, are you shitting me?

>Halo 5
The armors look retarded, the level design is actually worse.
The game is simultaneously is short but it feels too long in the sense 15 minutes in traffic feels like a long time.
Just tedious.

>Halo Infinite
The campaign was factually more fun than the previous two games but 343i designs is ever present.
Barren empty spaces, enemies appear in low numbers very far in between, the art style looks dated and the fucking blinding lights are still there.

The lore rape happened gradually and it is so very convoluted it requires its own discussion.
In short, 343i lore is all shit.

The only good thing that happened during that lapse was Halo Wars 2 and it is still on the fucking Windows Store instead of Steam and despite its sucess MS decided to never follow on that, at this point I am convinced of internal sabotage.

>Chief? ...On your left
>Dr Strange portal opens up
>Iron Man, Thor, and Spider-Man fly through and strike a pose
>You didn't start the party without us, did ya Chief?
>Cortana: I'm stuff
>Chief your girlfriend is awesome
>They fight resurrected Thanos with the Flood behind him
See that wasn't so hard

Halo will never be as popular as it was for two simple but important reasons.
Halo didn't have the "competition" it has today, and everything Halo offered in its time, many other games simply already offer.
Think for a second when Halo's golden age was? From 2001 to 2007, Halo simply had no competition.
What other games of that time offered an experience on a similar scale to Halo?
Campaign, multiplayer, ground and air combat with vehicles, incredible AI, music, art, level design, a good story, fog, theater, the vast amount of game modes, gameplay, and many other things that improved with each release.
Removing or leaving Sprint out won't bring back the millions of players that Halo 3 had in its time because they're simply playing something else today. Perhaps if the franchise hadn't been violated by 343i and Microsoft for so many years, the damage wouldn't be so serious today, but don't be fooled; you can't go back in time.

Question for halo fags. Why do people care that game modes like juggernaut and VIP and assault are cut from the newer games when historically people barely played objective game modes and almost everyone played slayer, or at most capture the fag? Don’t get me wrong I’m not defending cutting content but I just think if I Iead a team of incompetent devs I’d probably want to lighten their workload as much as possible. I feel like any whacky gamemodes could be integrated into forge in the sense that you create the objective of the map you’re forging as you forge the map, instead of having them as regular multiplayer modes.

>>712593526
Easy lore reset: everything after halo 3's final scene was a crazy cryosleep dream.

>>712593526
Halo Wars 2 sucked and shitted all over Halo 3's conclusive ending more than Halo 4, 5, and Infinite did. It shouldn't be praised at all

>>712593693
>What other games of that time offered an experience on a similar scale to Halo?
Campaign, multiplayer, ground and air combat with vehicles, incredible AI, music, art, level design, a good story, fog, theater, the vast amount of game modes, gameplay, and many other things that improved with each release.
Nothing like that exists today either…

Why is Infinite so hated? I liked its campaign

>>712593708
>I feel like any whacky gamemodes could be integrated into forge in the sense that you create the objective of the map you’re forging as you forge the map, instead of having them as regular multiplayer modes.
That's what they've already done.

>>712593708
You answered your own question. It's not hard to bake in the variable rules and controls for whatever game mode... If you are a competent dev team.
>Oh my Godddd I can't program in Juggernaut cause I'm on my fucking period! Cut it!

>>712593693
>Halo will never be as popular as it was
That's a good thing, Normalfags ruined gaming

>>712593693
we can argue lore shit all day but you are correct, Halo went from a trend setter and industry leader to just another shooter.

>>712593812
It's just different and barely feels like Halo. I don't hate it, it just feels like a fan made game.

>>712593812
Normalfags hated for algorithm boosts on social media. There were reasons to dislike it but their arguments fell apart the moment they try to claim Halo 4 and 5 had better campaigns. You're gay if you like those campaigns, honestly.

>>712593984
It's more Halo-like than 4 and 5

>>712593812
You spend 1 hour in the open world and you've seen everything it has to offer.
The plot could of been an email, it failed on the promise it had within the context of Bungie AND 343's lore.
One biome
AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS...AGAIN
Open world added nothing new or enabled playing in an interesting way.
"missions" are all boring.

it's the best 343 made, and it's still mediocre.

>>712594129
So? Fear is more of a Halo game than Halo 5.

>>712593812
It’s got many pros and cons, but people turned on it when they realised the devs outsourced most of the development and they didn’t know how to fix all the bugs the game launched with, which also meant it would take forever for new maps and content to be added. Once this realisation hit people started being less forgiving of all the other cons, especially since 343 historically fucked up every single other game they’ve released prior. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. The game was generally well received at launch despite not being perfect, but the fact that a buggy live service game was unable to be regularly updated was what killed it.

>>712594163
>The plot could of been an email, it failed on the promise it had within the context of Bungie AND 343's lore
Not him but the plot of a game should be a video game plot, nothing more, I'm not here to watch a movie, it's why I hate AAA games.

>>712594260
"The core gameplay was solid" was a common cope, but people have come back to other shitty games after developers fix them over several years. Not Infinite, for some unknown reason.

>>712593790
Gameplay wise it was fine but I won't hold it against you if you did not like it.
Lore wise, whatever, it is not the worst offender.

The books from that time are incredibly aggravating
>Somehow Guilty Spark has returned....also he was human all along but was brainwashed by the forerunners and now he is a construct and he is fucking Sgt Forge Daughter.
>The rookie was killed by a random dyke.
>The Didact is also not dead BTW, LOL!

>>712594403
Because it still hasn’t been fixed. The fucking menu still bugs out 4 years after launch. It still takes forever for the devs to release new maps and modes and guns. You not liking the gameplay is irrelevant because people did in fact tune it at launch and the gameplay was well received.

>>712594035
>You're gay if you like those campaigns, honestly.
Fuck Halo 5 but it was funny that you could get an overshield from slapping the tits and asses of Linda and Kelly. That is the only positive aspect of the game, so it is not gay perse just really fucking bad as a videogame.

I have to do Halo 4 for LASO master and that game sucks so bad.
Why was the Spartan Ops achievement for SOLO legendary, why?

>>712593790
Visually it was good and it played better than halo wars 1. It’s a fun game. Story was direct to DVD tier though.

>>712594614
>Because it still hasn’t been fixed.
The excuse back in 2022 was "if it had more content it would be good." Well, there's content now.

>>712594763
Not him but I don't think normalfags are just into sci-fi, look at Doom the Dark Ages. Maybe it's time to stop catering to them since they only like one type of slop.

Crazy how they just gave up on infinite the moment it flopped, went from "10 years" to "Uhh I guess we're gonna make it into a book series now"

At this point, I just want MCC to be maintained so that it's always playable, and maybe add more modding tools. New devs shouldn't be arsed to try to resurrect Halo, because none of them are going to be able to top it without sacrificing the DNA of what makes Halo. I trust autistic fans at this point making content more than I trust any studios.

>>712588205
>>712592047
True aaaaannnd... true.

>>712594954
What more modding tools could they release? They've already given us exactly what Bungie used back then.

>>712594763
There isn’t though. And there’s such a thing as too little too late. Blaming the gameplay is retarded. Fucking zoomers find Fortnite gameplay engaging. Halo with sprint is not that egregious.

>>712594932
Nadella pulled the plug on Xbox entirely then. He was already looking to do that anyway by the time the Xbox Series X|S were launching.

>>712594954
>I trust autistic fans at this point making content more than I trust any studios.
This
https://youtu.be/MaVI34oYKkk?t=387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flx270dXGdk
By this point Halo belongs to the fans and ONLY the fans

>>712592174
>rebooting a franchise by remaking the games that were already remade in an anniversary collection
that's retarded

>>712588092 (OP)
>HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, how could this series be saved and made popular once again?
343 pulling a Sonic Mania and bringing over the most talented modders of Halo to make a Halo game

You don't have to force every series to continuously be a big thing, halo had it's time and was raped, MS doesn't have a reason to push it now that it has CoD

>>712588205
this

>>712592612
>adds an absolute garbage epilogue section and makes the main game more linear

>>712595337
Please don’t engage in conversation with me if you can’t tell the difference between a remaster and a remake

>>712588092 (OP)
There's nothing that can be done. It was finished with Halo 3, Halo Wars, Reach and ODST are effectively side stories. 343 has failed to do anything good with the franchise the entire time it's had it, only Halo Wars 2 was kind of good, and that wasn't even made by them.

To repeat, there is NOTHING that can be done. Things aren't meant to just go on forever.

Halo can finally die in peace

uncensored global voice chat

>>712594163
>AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS...AGAIN
And just like Halo 4 and 5, they resolved the aftermath of Infinite in a fucking book AGAIN

>>712596020
I don't buy remakeslop, my bad guy. If a remake features new story beats where a remaster is just new paint, it's still a retarded idea either way. having three versions of CE, 2, and 3 isn't going to fix anything.

Halo may be dead, but can Mass Effect be saved? It hurts my heart that nuBioware is working on ME5 but the child in me feels a glimmer of hope.

>>712592047
>Zoomers aren't into the franchise
But zoomers were the 10 year olds on Xbox live during Halo 3 and the teenagers in Halo Reach, dingus

>>712596419
Give up hope, they'll just fucking rape it like they raped Dragon Age.

>>712596419
Nu bioware will only bring you grief anon.

>>712596419
hahahahaha

>>712588092 (OP)
There's no real chance to, and it's more that the fans wouldn't want it anyways. Halo Infinite's singleplayer was how you'd update the gameplay and level design of Halo 1-3 to what people would demand of a flagship FPS game in 202X, and people still hated it. Infinite's multiplayer is the best in the entire franchise, but people were so juiced by dunking on it in its shoddy first year that they'll never let that go.

>>712588092 (OP)
They could make a good game (only possible without the involvement of 343) but you will still see dumb niggers bitch and moan about cosmetic-only microtransactions in their FIRST PERSON shooter game.


CE remake is going to fucking suck btw, just finish Infinite's story.

>>712596710
>just finish Infinite's story
They finished it in a book

>>712596710
>just finish Infinite's story.
Anon, there was a cliffhanger in infinite, you didn't see the whole plot, they're gonna wrap it up in a book...again

remove 343 from the equation
I dont want to see another sheboon talking about this series because im 100% certain most of those retards never played an actual halo game.

And then afterwards I walk into the new devs office and give them a copy of Halo 3
tell them if they dont make a game exactly like that they're getting fired and black ball'd from the industry.

>>712596419
there has only been one bad Mass Effect game

>>712594651
>Why was the Spartan Ops achievement for SOLO legendary, why?
I'm going to use an achievement unlocker for that personally, I loathe they fucked up Bungie's achievement list with boring shit (every single ODST audio log, fucking really?) but they literally made Halo 4. They know Spartan Ops sucks ass solo and isn't a challenge due to the infinite respawns, why would they do that achivement?

>>712597489

>>712597158
It's still funny we all continue to call them 343 despite the rebranding

>>712588092 (OP)
>How can the Halo franchise be salvaged?

Fire all the people besides those involved with the original 3 Halo games, then make a Halo 4.

It can't be
>bbuh but wuh-
NO!

#LetDatNiggaSleep

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhMk8KhI5w

Lol. Lmao.

>>712597517
It's like microsoft thinking people would call Xbox One "The one" again. I'm not saying Halo Studios first game Halo CEmake, I'm not saying H Studios, not calling them HS, and I'm not letting them rebrand themselves out of their ineptitude.
They are 343 until they close down.

>>712597616
>Fire all the people besides those involved with the original 3 Halo
youd probably end up with like 3 dudes, and bungie is an absolute slop factory now.

>>712597616
here's your halo 4 bro

>>712596710
>cosmetic-only microtransactions
Ruined.

>>712597741
Y1 Destiny is at worst only slightly weaker than whichever (you) consider to be the best 343 game. Y2+3 clears 343 comfortably, hell I'd personally play Destiny 2 over all 343 games.

>>712588092 (OP)
I have a movie script in my head where it takes place during the battle of new mombasa from the perspective of regular Marines and features a 2000's nu-metal soundtrack.

>>712597616
I totally disagree with continuing the series and adding more continuity.
Retcon everything after 3 (events, prequels are fine) (Reach loosely canon)
And then make spin off stories with new characters that take place inbetween the mainline series like ODST
multiplayer needs to be like og halo, I dont want to see any double jump, clambering, jetpack bullshit, ads bullshit.

>>712596240
They're comparing it to First Strike, so I don't think it's going to be anything important.

I just wanted a Covenant spin-off game

>>712588092 (OP)
Give up on it

Make something new

>>712597961
is Halo's story really so ruined that you need a reboot?

>>712597701
Halo Studios makes more sense for them now, they are the Halo Studio, they're now working with other studios outside of their own, and their focus is no longer loreshit in everything so, 343, an in-universe character from the series, no longer makes sense from a studio name standpoint.

>>712588092 (OP)
There's no way. Halo was a product of it's time, lightning in a bottle like all great stuff. You can continue to play the old games and enjoy them since they're still fun and remember the good times, or you can play the new ones which are a bit different but keep the soul. You can't go back but it does sure feel like it when you play them like you used to.

>>712597947
can i counter pitch you my concept for the 2025 script i have?

>>712597701
>They are 343 until they close down.
all the 343 people already left years ago

>>712588092 (OP)
Make a game where Chief wakes up from Cryptosleep and Cortana asks him about the bad dreams he's been having.

>>712598154
no god no. dont reboot it and just leave master chief alone already. As far as I'm concerned he's still in cryosleep onboard the forward unto dawn.
There's plenty of empty gaps between the mainless series and long before Halo 1 to make more games with spartans/marines/odsts

>>712598338
let's hear it

>>712597616
this beach is so damn comfy minus the ugly covenant

>Build up AI waifu for 3 games
>including naming the AI of a trillion dollar company after it
>kill her off in Halo 4- oh wait no she's alive in Halo 5
>Turn her evil and kill her off not in game, not even in a book
>But fucking between games
>Nevermind she's back
Literally what is the point of Infinite

>>712598396
aboard*

>>712598353
i think i read that 343 did something where a large amount of their employees if not the majority of them were all temp people who were employed for something like 9 months or a year and a half or something and they would fire them and hire new people. i dont remember why maybe some scheme to not pay them benefits. but i heard this was a problem because every new batch of people would have to repeat the process of learning all of the tools. this is supposed to explain partially why the new games are such dogshit and feel so amateur.

Go full force on single player content. Why waste time with multiplayer if no one’s gonna play it?

>>712597853
Even though the story was complete shit I will say I had just as much fun partaking in raids, dungeons and harder versions of strikes than I did with any new halo games.
I couldn't even get past the first mission in Halo infinite, it put me sleep.

>>712598396
Not him but a reboot or remake that retcons the old is the only way to give the series new light. It also needs to focus on gameplay. Even old Bungie devs agree that a full reboot would need to happen with him stating that you can't be creative with it because it's not your series, starting over allows for Halo to become someone else's. There is no other way to return to what Halo was, it either needs a reboot it needs to end, completely meaning no more games or anything. Microsoft is finishing their soft-reboot that they started in 2021 but this time from the beginning.

>>712598513
Nah it needs multiplayer. Which they've already nailed so go balls deep into making the perfect campaign

>>712598435
I'm looking at gameplay now and Infinite looks pretty good.. Just looks like better Halo

>>712598613
>shooting damage sponges holy heckin poggers
>new halo? yawnnnnn

>>712598435
Halo 5 is considered the Metroid Other M of Halo to Microsoft, so bad that it needed to be written off, they're never returning to that story and they're never bringing it up again.

>>712597741
>I have nostalgia for Destiny and wish I could just go back now

dear lord, it's over..

>>712598753
What does that make 4 and infinite then? Since they’ve done the same thing with these two as well.

>>712598236
>they're now working with other studios outside of their own
just now? not back in 2012 when CA was doing maps for them and also once again heading the development of H2A MP, or outsourcing CEA and H2A to Saber Interactive, or Forge Labs making 2A/5/Infinite Forge mode, not during Infinite when they got 3-4 different studios to help ship the game. Only just now they are Halo Studios because only just now they started working with other studios?
They are 343 until they close.

>>712598353
but we'll see them make yet another bad game despite that.

>>712598719
thats the thing, if you just played the game normally they never were.
Unless you did the absolute highest difficulty which EVERYONE hated and rarely partook in. Bungie tried to sneak bullet sponges back into their second to last DLC and they got so much shit they backpeddled on it fast

>>712598398
in halo the movie (2025) it takes place in the battle of new mombasa from the perspective of regular marines (an entire female squad) and features a 2020s pop and rap soundtrack. masterchief is portrayed as an idiot and its up to the female marine squad to save him repeatedly and educate him so he can fight at their level.

there is a scene where they sabotage a group of unmanned wraith tanks by clogging the barrel with unused tampons causing them to self destruct later. this helps turn the tide of the battle of new mombasa. they also where able to use this same trick with the covenant anti air gun platforms enaling UNSC reinforcements to land in the area saving the city.

they were also able to use this same trick yet again on a cache of jackal beam snipers. saving countless lives and decimating the covenant forces in the area when the beam rifles backfired repeatedly during the fighting.

Halo 4 - you play as a newly developed spartan IV developed by ONI. You’re sent to Shanghelios to protect UNSC leaders taking part in peace talks with the covenant as they try to figure out how to govern the halo rings, deal with future flood outbreaks, and split the covenant empire. Secretly your mission is to assassinate the arbiter and blame it on the brutes to create instability amongst the covenant groups since they outnumber you, but while you’re there a group of extremists who still believe in the covenant attempt an assassination for you and it all goes to shit. Peace deals are now off of the table and a civil war erupts. You need to rescue the UNSC leaders and gtfo.

Would you play it?

>>712588092 (OP)
It can't be saved
HALO was all about couch coop and some of the best multiplayer online gaming around at the time, when people were free, life wasn't so miserable and people still socialised while mental issues were still private business not openly celebrated and shared in public, and Bungie cares deeply in community, investing dev time into it
Now everyone are fucking losers who don't socialise and all have retarded faggy attitudes, report people for every little thing, couch coop is dead and multiplayer is pay to win and controlled so much there's no fun, and nobody gives a fuck about the community
It's dead
It's not coming back

>>712598616
>reboot or remake that retcons the old is the only way to give the series new light
no fuck off. This worked in call of duty because people wanted the shitty static gameplay to improve, Halo was already fine and they kept adding more stuff that people didnt want.

>>712588092 (OP)
they need to make him green again

>>712588092 (OP)
Drop its console roots and embrace PC as a team-based arena shooter. Increase the movement speed and acceleration, remove all advanced movement bullshit (but the grapple is kind of cool), increase TTK for all non-power weapons, seriously nerf aim-assist for controller on PC. Bring back the oldschool 1-50 ranking playlists and separate them entirely from social playlists with no SBMM whatsoever, and maybe even require mics to queue on ranked.
Basically take it back to the H2/H3 MLG era, but for PC. It would at least have a niche that makes sense for what Halo was originally trying to be in the Bungie days. The niche wouldn't be big enough to support a bloated 10 year long live service money printer, but neither is Infinite lmao.

Halo 5 - using data they’ve gathered from the remnants of the ark, the covenant extremist find the location of a forerunner shield world (an artificial planet immune to the halo ring blasts, which the forerunners planned to escape to before firing the rings), which they plan to take over. You, a spartan IV along with a UNSC ship, are sent to put a stop to them. While there you learn the world houses an army of forerunner robots that the forerunners (ancient humans) attempted to use to combat the flood, but for whatever reason were unsuccessful and the bots were shutdown. The convenant are trying to take control of the bots to strengthen their army. They awaken the forerunner AI that controls them, only to realise it’s schizo and the reason the bots were shut down was because the AI went skynet on the forerunners. It’s now trying to murder all the covenant and the UNSC. You try to shut it down and GTFO, but ultimately aren’t successful. The bots are now hell bent on taking over the halo rings (a potential halo 6?).

Would you play it?

>>712599972
All terrible ideas

>Halo?
>Yeah i knew a halo once.
>20 years ago

>>712598838
They tend to respect those two to the point of bringing elements from Halo 4's campaign in Infinite and sticking with the Banished, Endless, and Offensive Bias plots introduced in Infinite.

>>712599253
halo back then was also made by a different type of dev. they were guys who were not chronically online and were genuine fans of the genre of story they were working on. i have made this same argument regarding older starwars games.

a bunch of normal ass dudes in the 2000s that just like sci fi and comic book shit who grew up in normal times in the 90s and the 80s were the sort of guys that would just make no bullshit good games.

also corporate meddling wasnt such a problem back then, people did not know that videogames could generate so much fucking money until the early-mid 2000s so up to that point and a little bit after, studios did not have to bend to the same degree to the whims and ideas of corporate suits above them trying to fully monetize the game.

if you had the same dudes from from the past working on games today -- they wouldnt be as good because of corporate meddling. but they would be better than the games today because they would still find a way to try and make the game good because its their passion. just guys making games they would want to play. untainted by modern cultural influences.

>>712600096
Yeah well forcing Halo to keep going after 3 was a terrible idea too, and why arena shooters stopped being popular years ago. Halo as an arena shooter on console was always doomed to become irrelevant once other console shooter franchises started branching out like they did on PC years before. Even Reach was a massive step down from 3, where every attempt to mix up the gameplay just takes away from the arena shooter premise and feels wrong.

>>712599324
Everybody already tried their version of Halo 4 from Microsoft to fans and they all sucked. If Hardy LeBel is calling you out for this shit and saying reboot the series or drop it then maybe you should reboot it or drop it. Stop trying to make it AAA and treat it like an AA game and make a creative fun game, like what Halo CE was. You're never going to hit the highs of Bungie so you make your own highs starting fresh. This is how you make a video game, a proper video game.

>>712600349
Banished is a halo wars 2 idea
Infinite completely abandoned the prometheans which were introduced in 4
The endless story line is being concluded in a book and we aren’t getting a halo 7
Offensive bias has never been directly mentioned in a game

>>712600359
also clarifying my point when i say older game devs grew up in the 80s and 90s what i really mean there is that their early life even as young adults were in these times were the idea was to just making something as cool and interesting as possible. that was the climate at the time.

>>712588205
This it hasn't been good since odst/reach

>>712600532
>Offensive bias has never been directly mentioned in a game
Infinite Legendary ending, but that's never getting followed up on so lol

>>712600532
>Banished is a halo wars 2 idea
Banished were introduced in a 343 Halo game, Halo Wars 2 is a 343 Halo game
>Infinite completely abandoned the prometheans which were introduced in 4
Halo 4 was more than just the Prometheans
>The endless story line is being concluded in a book and we aren’t getting a halo 7
It won't
>Offensive bias has never been directly mentioned in a game
Someone didn't beat Infinite on Legendary

Halo 6 - the schizo AI launches an attack on multiple halo rings at once. Currently all the rings are being guarded by UNSC and covenant forces. You’re tasked with assisting with the defence of the ring, except by the time you get there it’s too late. The halo ring has been taken over and the AI has deliberately released the flood, knowing they’ll eventually take over the universe and then starve themselves, allowing AI to take over in time. You need to GTFO and warn humanity. Also the covenant extremists are there too I guess.

Would you play it?

>>712601224
No, this sounds retarded and like AAA COD slop, I like the official Halo 6 better, a simple story about beating aliens on a ring. God, I really hate with AAA games did to video games, they've gotten really stupid and made people not understand how to make a game anymore.

>>712588092 (OP)
just make a new franchise

>>712601431
Erm…my premise describes a game about BTFO aliens, robots, and zombies on a ring

>>712588092 (OP)
>build a small team of peculiar nerds
>give them full creative control, aside from release date
>give them a sensible budget
>they release a feature-rich game day one
>game has at least one innovative feature not seen among its contemporaries
>game encourages community interaction
>no corporate BS to spoil the experience

It's that simple. That was more or less the winning formula during Halo's glory days. Oh, and one of those games, Halo 2, single-handedly made the Xbox turn a profit for the first time.

>>712596428
That's the oldest zoomers. Younger zoomers don't care.

>>712601674
This, exactly, AAA teams can never do something like this, you need this right here. Corporate needs to be banned from small teams and that should be made a law.

>>712588092 (OP)
it was gone after Reach. That was Bungie's send off and it should've ended there. Good thing Chief is still in cryo-sleep and Cortana will wake him, when she needs him.
>>712601674
>>712601845
its not good to romanticize Halo's development. They went through a lot. Microsoft was still on their ass. Their main goal was still to make a profit in a very short time-frame. The main difference is just that they still GAVE A SHIT while chasing profits and their goals.

Halo 7 - earth is being invaded by the flood and forerunner robots. The planet is doomed. You’re tasked with saving as many humans as possible as you guys evacuate to the nearest forerunner shield world that you know of. Unfortunately for you the world is already inhabited by hostile covenant extremist forces. You must defeat them quickly to save humanity.

Would you play it?

>>712602075
>its not good to romanticize Halo's development
That was real video game development before corporations fucked that up, thanks to Microsoft making it a standard. Video games were better from 80s-early 2000s and started going to shit in the 2010s, what changed, AA teams became AAA teams growing significantly bigger from what they were becoming bloated losing all form of creativity and innovation. I'm glad small teams are coming back with a vengeance.

>>712602075
Yes, the original team were great but they were also a mess and were always working under the crunch. I remember the entire multiplayer of CE was coded by a single dude just days before the cutoff before disk manufacturing began. Halo 2 was way too ambitious and heavily gutted and reworked. Halo 2 was also an unstable piece of shit under the hood, modding for it sucked, and it was a fucking miracle that its original tech demo didn't have any issues when they presented it live.
But everything Bungie shipped never had any game breaking glitches, they didn't need 30GB patches on day 1, and they had a full game's worth of content with a variety of maps + matchmaking playlists + forge + theater.

>>712602075
>Microsoft was still on their ass
Oh, I know. But the thing was Bungie still had final say in most cases. Halo 2's matchmaking, for example, received pushback from Microsoft for being unproven. Bungie pushed forward anyway because they knew what was best for their game. The only examples I can think of where MS forced their hand was during Halo 2 by changing the Arbiter's name and cutting a marine execution cutscene.

>>712602404
>variety of maps + matchmaking playlists + forge + theater
And split screen, for both campaign and multiplayer.

>>712602436
The MS execs did not like Steve Vai's electric guitar version of the Halo theme. Marty had to fight to keep it in.

>>712588092 (OP)
Microsoft is willing to try anything and everything except making a normal Halo game that looks, feels, and sounds like Halo and has the same features on day one that Halo 3 managed to launch with almost twenty years ago.

it must be sign that when 343 ISN'T involved in a halo game its somewhat decent, like with halo wars 2.
literally everyone is better for the job than the studio who's mere existence is to make more halo

Halo 8 - running out of options to deal with the flood, and protected by the shield world, humanity enacts a plan to activate all the halo rings all at once. But they can’t do it alone. They need the help of the covenant, who will only assist them if they to are saved. Who spend the whole game going to different covenant planets and attempting to rescue as many as you can and move them to shield worlds while fighting off flood, forerunners, and covenant extremists.

Would you play it? Also I’m running out of ideas. Help!

>>712588092 (OP)
Go watch the making of Halo 1 and Halo 2 videos on youtube. Each is only about 40 minutes long or so.

You'll inherently understand. Games will never be made like that, by competent nerdy white/asian guys having fun, ever again.

>>712602686
Then I got some good news for you, all Halo games will be made like Halo Wars 2 going forward, mostly made but other studios, not Halo Studios.

>>712602940
They already are though, by indies and AAs, AAA is dying and that's a good thing.

Zoomers are incapable of playing a game like Halo.

>>712588092 (OP)
jackal women?

>>712603045
>indies
lol sure reddit

Let it die
>No we can't
Okay. Make a game focusing on the Elites after Halo 3 and their shenanigans and their struggle on their homeworld.
You can include a few Spartans in the campaign so you can have them in multiplayer.
Make the game have AI/Minion battles too, or bring back Invasion

>>712595041
>And there’s such a thing as too little too late
This 1000%
Keep in mind that the game already had controversy cause a delay a whole year or 2 prior to launch, due to how fucking ABYSMAL the announcement trailer was. so bad in fact that they had to delay the game an entire year+
Literally all we had on launch was basically 5 total maps between all game modes and horrendous bugs.
>Campaign took 3 months to come
>Shit we couldn't even do campaign co-op or forge until a staggering 9 months after launch. >Multiplayer received literally fucking zero content or proper bug fix/balancing until well after new years
>Only thing that got immediate and consistent updates were cosmetics for their overpriced bullshit battlepass and store
I couldn't even make it to Forge launch, and i'm a ride or die Halo fan who even gave 5 a generous chance. This game got the worst launch treatment i've ever fucking seen from a Halo game.

>>712603127
haha what happens if they catch you

F A G lemme hear you say it F A G the federation of ass hole gamers

>>712603127
Already in infinite

Make a game during Harvest where you play as ODSTs/Marines/Spartan 1s.
Please just let Chief rest in his cryobed he is very tired.

>>712603127
Brute women?

I WANT TO PLAY AS A HUNTER
I WANT TO PLAY AS A WALKING TANK
I WANT TO PLAY AS A SCARAB

>>712603282
>Keep in mind that the game already had controversy cause a delay a whole year or 2 prior to launch, due to how fucking ABYSMAL the announcement trailer was
I wish Infinite came out in 2020 just so 343 could have been mocked even further.

>>712603220
AAA deserve to die plus while there is an endless wave a shit in indies, you'll eventually be able to find gold. AAs are also great but if you're still looking at any positives in AAA (there was never any positives) then you're retarded.

>>712599158
>would you play it?
Yes. That's exactly the sort of shit I wanted.

>>712599158
This just proves that everything that came after Halo CE was a mistake.

the problem is the maps, nobody knows how to make good maps anymore. infinite's maps are actually unplayably bad. And they gave everybody cheats to highlight all enemy players on screen for some reason

>>712603994
>guardian
>pitstop
>construct
>narrows
>citadel
>blackout
>heretic
>epitaph
They were all peak.

>>712604221
see what they did was they gave everybody cheats so that new players could identify enemy players faster, because that was a core game feature in the original trilogy, identifying a player just by the silhouette. Well that's too hard for retards that play modern console FPS so they make everybody glow. Then they realized that since you can see everybody glowing from across the map that it's too easy to spot and shoot people, so every map in infinite is nothing but broken sightlines so that you can walk 10 feet without running into a rock

game design is actually reaching impossible levels with modern devs

>>712603710
I love indies and play almost nothing but indies, but there's a real lack of decent indie FPS and no indie multiplayer shooters worth a shit whatsoever. Battlebit Remastered scratched the itch for a bit but is now dead.

>>712604485
Hmm, if only Halo had another way of easily identifying enemies...

>>712604504
There's some but I don't waste my time with the multiplayer ones, I only care for the singleplayer ones.

>>712604485
To be fair maps started fucking sucking back in Reach. Bungie phoned in a lot of work since they hated Halo by that point and knew it was their last game. The original maps were all trash because they had to accomodate the advanced movement options, everything was fucking massive because of sprint, and 90% of the maps were lazy forgeworld knockoffs made by the community.

nobody wants to play halo or make halo clones like how doom gets so many "boomer shooters" clones
you never see a dusk or ultrakill equivalent for halo

>>712606351
Halo clones were called "Halo Killers" because they didn't respect halo or understand why it was so good in the first place

>>712606351
There’s several reason for this.
1) Halo relies on decent enemy AI, good music, and good in game cinematic that also don’t take control away from you. All are very hard to pull off. Boomer shooters are much easier to make in comparison.
2) Realism fags are always going to be drawn to shit like call of duty and battlefield because they care more about larping as soldiers than about video games. Trannies and coomers are always going to be drawn to hero shooters because they’re more interested in playing dress up instead of enjoying a good game. Old farts are always going to be drawn more towards hero shooters because that’s what they grew up with, so they will always see this as the definitive formula for a shooting game.

>>712593812
>can't disable hitmarkers or force team colors.
i wonder why people prefer halo 1 over that