What are your thoughts on cheating in video games, whether it's single player or multiplayer?

>>712589437 (OP)
The average playerbase of CS has to be like 40 years old

I dont give a shit because I dont really play mp any more. If tf2 ever truly dies (more than it already has) and I can't even find a game, I'm done with multiplayer all together.

>>712589840
TF2 has some of the worst cheating and bots in any multiplayer game today, you should have quit it a long time ago.

>>712589437 (OP)
Unironically a tranny thing, not even joking

>>712589437 (OP)
not cheating, he knew thats a common place where people hid so he shot a yolo shot. i did the same thing in cod4 with the noobtube and fags would always accuse me of screenhacks

>>712590118
t. cheater

>>712589595
A lot of zoomers got into it during the Kenny S era. Trust me, this is one of the few multiplayer shooters that spans generations.

>>712590118
>high sens
>minor adjustment right before taking the shot
>double headshot
yeah fucking right

>>712589437 (OP)
Dumb in a professional sense obviously, but even I used to roll into unsecured CS1.6 and even CS:S servers with the full suite of hacks and the micspam app loaded
You know, kind of like myg0t used to do

>>712589437 (OP)
Cheating in single-player games to get around mechanics that only serve to fill time is something I do often.

>>712590372
>they got rid of mics being heard by both sides
Valve is so fucking gay.

>>712590437
You didn’t beat the game.
>i-i-it’s tedious and doesn’t add to the game!
You didn’t beat the game.

>>712589437 (OP)
You can honestly do whatever i single player, I myself finished gta games with cheats many times or used glitches to get trough some parts as well.

IN MP games cheating is always gay but it doesn't really matter because people cheat out of necessity on competitive modes because they have too much at stake or because they find fun fucking with people.

It should be made a serious crime that gets you castrated irl so your cheater genes do not live on. Everyone who looks at you will see a man with no nuts, because they were taken for cheating.

>>712590534
That's dumb. I remember being on clan servers where it'd be chill enough where alltalk would be on all the time sometimes, so if you really wanted to be cheeky and 'strategize' you had to use the team text chat.
Esports and its consequences have been a disaster for gaming.

>>712590146
>t. shitter
Cheating is a problem in CS but people who suck think people are cheating for simple crosshair placement

>>712589437 (OP)
>single player
I don’t care, anyone who gets mad about how someone else plays a video game is retarded
>multiplayer
stop shitting up my fucking lobbies, you fucking chinks/niggers/trannies, you’re brown

>>712589437 (OP)
I think people that cheat in mp games should be exiled to Somalia

>>712591012
We should take their eyes instead. No chance to reoffend

>>712589437 (OP)
>single player
I couldn't care any less
>multiplayer
you should be publicly shamed

>>712591012
>>712591416
>>712591695
Cope

The world should have Korea's system of tying everyone's identities to their accounts and if they are found to be cheating in online games, they get banned from all online games for the rest of their lives. People who cheat in online games are also very likely to be or become criminals in real life because of their antisocial behavior so their activity should be monitored. As a matter of fact I think the police could prevent a lot of crimes before they happen by simply keeping tabs and tracking anyone who has ever cheated in an online game. That is the only deterrent that will work: actual consequences.

>if you cheat in a video game, you're a criminal

>>712594797
Funny, I said this exact same thing to some friends and they laughed.

Honestly, I don't understand why it's so hard to link Name, DOB, Address, and creditcard information to a database and just outright blacklist people from being able to play online. Sure they can buy your game over and over again, but as soon as they try to get online it should just laugh at them.

>>712595078
Because no one wants all of their shit linked, especially not for a video game. Are you really this retarded?

>>712589437 (OP)
>singleplayer
Whatever
>multiplayer
When i was younger i was butthurt about it. Nowadays i understand that there will always be people caring about end goal and not giving a fuck about "fair play". Thus competitive mp games are for retards and cheaters.

>>712595072
>cheating in online games
>not a scumbag

Wasting people's time should be a criminal offense, cheating leads into it. It wouldn't be so bad if not every online game was 5v5 matchmaking ranked wanks that basically kidnap you for 30-50 minutes at a time. What? Leaving de-ranks you or you lose 1000 elo which is the equilviant of 6+ games? Exciting. Do you actually find it fun getting caught in a random HvH server?

>>712595274
Then you don't deserve to play online, it's that simple. Stop being a nigger and you would see this is good for anyone who doesn't cheat.

>>712595428
>giving up privacy to play video games is good
Kill yourself.

>>712595460
>implying you don't do it anyway when you log into steam
Third world pls go.

I cheated when I play enshrouded, abiotic factor and vrising because I only play survival games single player. Basically give myself infinite weight or mods that make item stacks larger so I don't have to run back and forth as much. Only online game I ever cheated on was maplestory in like 2006 and it was to fly around ch1 fm and spam drop mesos really fast on a fresh account for the lulz. I think people who cheat in pvp games are gay but I can't do much about it except not take it seriously.

>>712589437 (OP)
Cheating is fine in singleplayer games if you're just looking to have fun.
Cheating in multiplayer games should only be done if the game is P2W. If the devs effectively let players buy cheats with P2W crap, people should be able to get on a level playing field for free by cheating.

>>712595573
Oh and I also forgot to mention I cheated in IdleON because the dev is a jackass and made a really fun but incredibly dishonest grindy p2w game then abandoned it for years, so I said fuck it and gave myself all the cash shop items for free kek.

>>712589437 (OP)
If you cheat you're not white, simple as.

they're not there to enjoy the game, they're there to enjoy the rage of other people

>>712594316
>t. future somalian

>>712589437 (OP)
>single player cheating
victimless crime. You hurt nobody but yourself.
>multiplayer cheating
A shitty thing to do. But it wouldn't be a big problem if servers were ran like in the old days. Private servers had regular playerbases who knew each other over multiple sessions, and any cheater would be caught and ostracized pretty quickly. If the admin didn't kick them, you could find a server ran by someone who would. Modern matchmaking puts you together with randoms every time, so there's zero trust in anyone you play with. Automated cheat detection is always one step behind the cheaters, and is often intrusive and makes your computer vulnerable.
>pay-to-win games
Shouldn't be played by anyone with self respect
>games where you can make bot accounts to do the work for you
see above. MMOs that take as much of your time as a full-time job are unhealthy.

>>712596584
>future

>>712595990
So don't get mad.

>>712589437 (OP)
>flying cars cheat
>all cars have NOS cheat
>jump onto a stolen tractor and fly around the map listening to THE DUST
They just don't make em like they used to.

>>712589437 (OP)
I think it's on the level of theft and defaming so it should be broadly criminalized

>>712589437 (OP)
>single olayer
who cares, you're only cheating yourself.
>multiplayer
death penalty.

>>712596915
kek

>>712589437 (OP)
It ruins the experience

>>712589437 (OP)
singleplayer makes enough sense, you can minimalize trivial bullshit. for example, in new vegas where the game only decides to give you like 20 40mm rounds while you have 10k+ caps. i will cheat to give myself rounds and remove caps respectively because that just lets me have more fun without having to do an equivalent wait spam.
in multiplayer, i don't get it because the entire fun is competing with other players who have the same amount of time to develop themselves. if its a multiplayer game that lets people spend real money to get ahead, sure, fuck them. some cheats i find acceptable are using steam achievement manager for team fortress 2 to get like 90 percent of the pay to win weapons instantly. snap on aimhacks though, i really don't understand. at least it made me realize that i would rather play singleplayer games

>>712589437 (OP)
Is this even cheating? It just looks lucky.

>>712601019
>two headshots in a single shot through smoke
Sure lil buddy.

>>712601019
The way he stays snapped onto the center of the gate entrance while approaching it, even from left to right, is pretty sus, but I can't say for sure.

>>712601416
Getting a headshot through smoke is suspicious, but the double doors on Dust 2 are probably the most blind-fired sightline in any video game. Getting two kills is just pure happenstance. He couldn't have forced the enemies to line up perfectly.

>>712602071
>most blind-fired
Through smoke?

I thought cheating in CS was usually wallhacks. There’s a lot of clips of “pros” tracking players through walls before shooting and even instances of them shooting through walls before the player even reveals themselves. Is that the same for TF2 and other popular FPS?

>>712590437
>>712590904
>>712595573
>>712600436
>it makes sense
You did a disservice to the game and to the developers

>>712602071
>Getting two kills is just pure happenstance.
Getting aburdly lucky is a red flag in itself. many cheaters have been caught by being "too lucky".

>>712589437 (OP)
>single player
Do what you want. No one gives a fuck as long as you don't pretend to be hot shit for beating a game with infinite health.
>multiplayer
KYS

>>712604489
How do you supposed he cheated to have two players line up in the smoke?

>be one of, if not THE, biggest game companies around
>can’t implement meaningful anti-cheat
Why?

>>712602560
they throw smoke to cross "safely" thats why you just take a pot shot, sometimes it does just line up

>>712589905
Something that amuses me to no end is that I can still consistently beat teams with cheaters on them in that game, and they always wordlessly quit the moment the game ends.

>>712589905
It's fucking precious when people pretend like TF2 has a uniquely or especially bad cheating problem.
Like that isn't the fucking STATE of online multiplayer these days because everyone's chasing perverse incentives.
For example running anti-shilling, FOR FREE, against a stupid hat game from fucking 2007

>>712606640
I miss the old days when cheaters would crash and burn out when you showed them up. It was funnier.

>>712606784
You sound like a complete retard. TF2 does have an egregious cheating problem, even compared to other games in the same genre. It and Counter-Strike likely have the highest quantity of cheaters of any game, in no small part because they're free to play.

Cheaters are niggers. They have a nigger soul. They can't be saved, line them up on a wall.

>>712589437 (OP)
It was fun when nobody did it. I remember walling in 1.6, but I only did it after I became autistically good at the game and was bored. Nowadays the games all fucked up, there’s no honor in this shit any more.

>>712597381
simpler than that, I just change servers

>>712607156
Shows that you got mad lol

>>712604328
>pirate the game
>and then cheat just to give developers another piece of my mind
feels good

>>712607005
>Gets it completely laid out that you're chasing perverse incentives and making yourself look stupid
>Do it anyway

>>712589595
My little brother plays it and he's 16

Cheating and making people rage is fun. I've been cheating since early 00s and not planning to stop

>>712606784
it doesn't anymore, but if you played ANY TIME between 2017 and 2024 you would understand what people were complaining about. as in, every single match having 3+ spinbots that constantly votekick people. it isn't very bad anymore, i don't think people are talking about the game like that anymore

>>712607629
I like to hack in apex, but the games so riddled with hackers a wall hack barely does shit, and I don’t like aim botting

>>712604328
I don't care, they don't pay me.

>>712591176
>those old shitty speakers
god damn i miss it

>>712607005
nta but you're really out of touch and hyperfixating on irrelevant boomer games and the issue is the sense of scale that comes with having tiny irrelevant communities
tarkov is/was probably the reigning title of what a cheat-infested playerbase looks like on a more presentable scope, haven't looked at it in years but i'd imagine people have moved on from being manhandled by wallhacking brazilians by now

>>712607914
It's not even that TF2 has a small community (it doesn't), but that he's completely fucking delusional about the state of online gaming these days.

>>712589437 (OP)
When I played gta online I used a mod menu to give myself money and whatever I wanted, it was way more fun messing around with people than actually grinding out missions and stuff
I wasn’t one of those guys who would just start killing the whole server tho

>>712589437 (OP)
>Single player
Don't care have at it.
>Multiplayer
You're probably Chinese and definitely a faggot.

>>712607418
Based

The issue with these sorts of things is that people that are just generally shitty at the game will claim that anyone competent is a hacker (i.e. OP). It distorts the whole balance.

>aimbot, wallhax, etc.
gay
>cheating in premium currency the devs try to sell you
based

>>712610258
That typically doesn't work unless it's currency you already could have gotten by playing for free.

>>712609001
Chinks don’t cheat, they just have a ton of accounts to be annoying on

>>712607083
>I liked cheating until others started doing it
Kill yourself.

>>712612016
>Chinks don’t cheat
Why are you lying

Every top multiplayer fps now is basically HVH

Not worth playing seriously. Statistically each match will have hackers or boosters

You don't need to cheat in single player since accessibility options. Unless it's locked content or chapter skip

What's the point of cheating, either in multiplayer or single player? You're just robbing yourself of the satisfaction that is to be had by getting better.

The only case where I would say cheating is acceptable is in a singleplayer game that you have mastered and want to just fuck around in.

I mean it’s pretty common but its not as common as people think. I’ve gotten so many schizo accusations of cheating simply because I was better, I mean it feels like a compliment but I wish sometimes people would put aside the ego and just accept the fact that sometimes people are just better

>>712589437 (OP)
I'm an arcade player. I expect things to be impossibly unfair. Should only see the end if you're a machine.

CS is shit. Portal and the first Half Life and it's Opposing Force expansion are the only good things to have come out of Valve and aren't worth the rest wrong they've done, millions of lives ruined, art directed to a theme I don't approve.

>>712613504
nah you were cheating

>>712589437 (OP)
>singleplayer
Don't care
>multiplayer (coop)
Situational
>multiplayer (pvp)
Absolute fucking cancer. Only subhumans enjoy it (I tried it for a day and a half when I was 12 and never again)

>>712589437 (OP)
Single player is fine, especially if you've beat the game already and know a few codes that let you her the magnum early in half life or whatever, cheating on multi player games is the realm of pathetic chinks and Indians

>>712589905
Bots are basically dead now due to the hosts being bitch boys, but anybody that gets 3 kills in a row on sniper is probably a faggot cheater playing a nigger tower class

>>712590697
Nta but I'm not spending dozens of hours leveling prestige ranks in dying light 1 when an item duplication glitch speeds that slog up so much faster, that's as gay and retarded as you are

>>712589437 (OP)
Using everything you can to win is probably optimal. The best players cheating or not should be appreciated. Cheats could be incorporated into war, be nice if they weren't but if you're taking on all the bad guys your chances are nill without being ahead of the competition.

Thinking up, programming and implementing new ways to win, competing with others doing the same is advanced warfare. Pointing and clicking is caveman shit.

I'm not up to it. But I respect it. I don't like bad players winning. I used a dumbell when to smash one of my ps3s after winning solo against the other team, they all left, and I was left with one other player. I gave them an advantage, only using the useless pistol, they killed me, for whatever reason I missed them, something like that, I expected since it was just us two left we'd have fun. Teach them something maybe. But the little wimp just took opportunity to attack. Get theirs back kind of thing.

That doesn't do it for me.
I'm ok with making such people miserable. Go ahead and rob players playing to give others a bad time a taste of their own system. But instead of trying to make others lower defences, and then attack them, or get others to play badly, lowering standards, zap them with every trick you can invent. "Boo hoo it isn't fair, play worse." No. Go fuck yourself. You whinge under any superiority. Lowering the bar is your entire fucking being. Fuck you. Fuck the pitiful games designed to appease you. Real combat is losing against the impossible. Making a stand. Get used to it or go watch your fucking marvel movies.

>>712589437 (OP)
>Single
Sure, no problem
>Multi
No problem just don't get caught

>>712604328
Developers should respect my time and patch exploits then, gay boy

>>712606406
Because installing a kernel level anti cheat is gay and lame. Vac isn't perfect but I'll take it and the faggot eventually getting hit in a ban wave over something that kills framerate

>>712614591
A lot of typing to just call yourself a fag

>>712614827
You are the exact example mentioned. A wimp who needs others to diminish themselves, that is your order to them.

We are opposites.

>>712589437 (OP)
That's obviously not cheating retard. Just luck in shooting a common spot.

>>712614591
Using everything you can is optimal. But if you are given a certain environment and ruleset to play within, then giving yourself more capabilities than what that environment and ruleset offer you, you are playing outside of the rules and therefore have an unfair advantage.

What you said has a point in actual warfare, where rules go out the window, but this is videogames we are talking about. A form of entertainment.

I know this is dramatic and maybe too much for what amounts to a fun video game, but I honestly hope that people who cheat in online games burn in hell for all eternity

niggers!

niggers!!

>>712613504
It's actually much MORE common than people might think. There is not a single match (outside of private lobbies) in any popular shooter without someone cheating.

played with cheats a lot when i was younger (had to have, can't play with them a lot when i'm older) like in gta or the sims, had a gameshark for my playstation and game boy
there's this horror FPS I got last year, i'm bad at FPS and hate horror, got a trainer for it and it crashes the game

>>712591176
Ha, I had those exact speakers.

Starcraft/Brood War had "Power Overwhelming" which made your units/buildings invulnerable (aside from zerg queen ability on biological units)
and you still did the same damage. warcraft 3 and sc2 invulnerability cheats made you also do so much damage it wasn't satisfying anymore, to watch your two squads of marines surrounding an ultralisk or a nexus

>>712617498
Starcraft had actual cheaters with map hacks.

>>712615625
Games should be about making people able to do great things. Be heroes, have fun.

Went the wrong way, from arcades starting you off near the end of some acrivity's most advanced stage. Where people have got to. Where it's fun. Feel the limit and stay just inside it.
...to getting a kick from doing something unfair. Cheats or not situations like shown in OP are bad form. Not what people should get good at.

It's fucked now. Shooting is most of gameplay, and isn't even done with a gun. Doing something different won't be desired as much. People would think i'd rather be wasting my potential on being an arsehole.

For me when I play, it's to do everyhing fast as possible. Get into a hectic situation, overwhelmed, and fight my way out. I was led in The Division to go through areas fast, a different way to play. Orderly. That combined with mine works solo. Go fast fight hard, move on. Robot. Familiarity makes use of time, planning out paths to reach objectives as they appear. I'm not getting it across.

Becoming a machine is the goal in games. It's not a good thing as seen in OP. He guessed right. Took credit for it. I don't like that. There is something wrong with it. Something to be weary of.
Exploiting maybe.

Notnin the action or something. Not sure. Not at risk. Not upon the fine line. And fucking rewarded for it. Rewarded for being a coward.

Making things "fair" for me seems to be making everyone vs machine. Have to out do machines at being machines.

Do more than they can be programmed to. Do situationally. They set the situation, or you get into a situation in which they do. And fight your way out. Prove the motherfucker inferrior. Get fucking better. Get killed good. Some standard will remain after you. "That was how to take on the world". Haha computer fighting itself. Getting better. Individuality, bravery optimal, pinacle. In command.

Soldier in all and in interaction, no stupidity, no attempt to have others worse. The best serve. Solo the time

>>712615625
Combat is now. Taking as much into consideration as possible. Whats most important most prominant, most catered to.

Problem solving. Refusing wrong rule.

I've done relevant examples in recent posts. Getting players to assist newbies to gain higher scores that help win matches. New players score more, bad players score more, old and better players have to try harder to make up for their actions rewarded less. Older, more experiwnced, better players play support to new ones. They keep them going, make their actions mean something. Lead them and sheild them for objectives.

Foster a form where progression has at at it's furthest progressed form, concern with serving. With making whatever is with you work. With making them win.

Too perhaps new players, or new to a group serving the experienced. If so massively rewarded. Old players getting the best loot when looting. And new players more powerful when supporting, fast as them, their fire when upon the leaders target increased.

The sense that others winning matters. Their part secondary. Still seems a little like OP. Still need to iron out wrong.

Games shouldn't all be Army.
But when so: 100% robot. Leader can be human, what interacts with others. You're their right hand man. Reliable, faithful, hard and controlled. Thinking in terms of doing what the leader would want. Roger, negative etc. No pressure upon leader. Except to treat you as a capable machine. No need to admonish, you do it yourself when you fuckup by doing better immediately. Or explain what led you to doing the wrong thing, that you recognise it's wrong, won't happen again, info they can use for others to program them ready for such confrontation, having a prepared response to recall and enact. Yours.

Form a bond with your team. Wordlessly doing what is needed, not token gestures, though firing on their target is a good way to start, even if it isn't needed. Moving to behind and side, staying there no matter what they do. Silly maybe but

>>712618301
>>712619349
I... what?

>>712589437 (OP)
There's nothing weird about this, it's a common aim spot
Only weird thing is that those 2 retards were holding together that close to each other

Although cs has a huge cheating problem a lot of hurr durr cheater accusation are just apes with no map knowledge complaining about common prefires and wallbangs
Even when you don't see them, if you have good communication you will know where the enemy isn't, so you can guess pretty well where they will be. In this case it's not even necessary, he saw the angle the nade is coming from and shot back

>>712590534
in casual dead people from both teams can hear each other, in competitive voice is team only to prevent griefing

>>712619580
It's a bot

>>712595078
Because I'm never buying a game that wants my personal information you fucking zoomer slave

>>712589437 (OP)
Based. Play to win, whatever it takes.

>>712619825
Do you really win if it's an algorithm playing the game for you?

>>712619825
cheating is like going super saiyan

>>712589437 (OP)
Dust 2 double doors beginning round is the most spammed spot in the entire game and has been probably since its inception. If you aren't spamming smoke or holding beginning round angle for an easy kill you're fucking up immensely. Only thing retarded here is they couldnt get through doors, probably first guy got stuck and they got stuck together with a perfect headshot on both. But this is a bait thread so I hope everyone starts cheating because normies ruined gaming so why even fucking try

>>712589437 (OP)
>singleplayer
who cares
>multiplayer and spinbot tier obvious
i respect it
>multiplayer and hiding it
kill yourself

>>712589595
can confirm
t. 47

How do you deal with getting kicked for cheating when you are not cheating?

>>712621331
Take it as a compliment.

I think cheating in competitive experience meant to be fun is a nigger-tier move. There is no point, since nothing is on the line.
I can 100% understand cheating if money is on the line. People have to eat, after all.

Absolutely based.Cheaters win and I respect winners.

>>712589905
oh believe me, I know. I just can't let it go.

>>712622043
It's not like those taking part in competitive e-sports event come straight from the streets and NEED the money to buy food, though.

>>712622309
I would argue they probably do need the money.
Trying to get into competitive e-sports (or any sports) kind of ruins your chances at a normal career because of the extreme time investment required. So if you aren't successful in the few good years you have, your life is pretty much over.
At least that's how it seems to me. The same goes for any other kind of "entertainment" based job. Very precarious.

People who cheat in video games do so because they desperately need a win in their life, it doesn't matter if it's in a game or not

>>712622447
Most of those who try to get into e-sports are still so young that they live with their parents. So even if their dreams of becoming e-sports "athletes" falls flat, they can still just start applying to schools/"normal" jobs just fine.

Sure, there probably are cases where it literally is the kid from the slums trying to climb out of poverty, but those are extremely fringe cases.

>>712621786
This
doesn't happen to me but I leave profile comments open because getting hackusations from random seething skrubs is a massive ego boost

>>712589437 (OP)
like with a lot of things in life, if everyone involved is consenting adult i see no issues.
if not then you should be permanently deprived of the possibility of doing it ever again.

>>712589905
>TF2 has some of the worst cheating and bots in any multiplayer game today
Actually it's the opposite, Valve finally fucking did something for once, back in 2024.
I have only ran into one bot since, and they got kicked pretty quick.

>>712589437 (OP)
People who think OP clip is proof of cheating are part of the problem.
All cheaters are mentally ill, and if you cheated once, you will do so again.

>>712623816
this is for mp only.
sp "cheating" is just modding.

I think cheaters should not be banned, but be given the tag "Cheater" that's publicly visible to everyone in-game. That's all.

>>712624717
I like shadowbanning. If the game is big enough, you can just put the cheaters against each other exclusively. A consentual HvH is also completely fine.

>>712589437 (OP)
Cheaters are olny good/fun when they give everyone in the lobby the cheats. Good example is cheats like Blackops 2 Were everyone has fun with the menu

multiplayer games aren't fun anymore because basically every game is infested by cheaters

>>712613504
pretty sure most games when they release the data have around 8-12% of players cheating
which is an obscene amount desu

>>712590697
Had fun
Credits played
Took it back and traded in for a new game

>>712625340
It was really interesting to see people cheat in Deadlock even in the beta.
With no ranking system.
With no leaver penalty.
With full on spinbotting and flying through the map.

>>712595428
>privacy bad
so the feds are still here

>>712625534
Those are the cheaters that do it for the pleasure of just ruining the experience for others. The psychopaths, if you will.

>play game
>get curbstomped and die all the time
>don't get many chances to practice and improve
>install cheats
>go after single targets and get kills which boosts confidence and learn more about shooting mechanics
>turn off cheats
>now a better player

>>712625962
>played more
>now a better player
wow, crazy
didnt even need the cheats for it

>>712625962
You could achieve the same results via playing against bots, though you would pick up bad habits, just as you'd do if you cheat.

The only way to get good is to keep playing, regardless of if you are getting your ass handed to you.

>>712625962
>>turn off cheats
Sure you did.
Until you encountered another obstacle.
Delusional cunts every single time.