Is it really overrated or are people just being contrarian because it's the most popular?

Yeah.

>>712602318 (OP)
It's the only one out of the Souls trilogy I've played so far, and while I thought it was fine, I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as Sekiro. God I fucking love Sekiro.
Unrelated but one of the joysticks on my controller broke and would drift left, so I took it apart, wiggled around the metal stick bit with the plastic covering off, then put it back together, and suddenly it works fine. Am I a mechanical genius or is this a common solution?

>>712602318 (OP)
I think its a boring piece of shit, game's intro is literally some sexy bitch introducing "bosses" to you.
>YOU MUST DEFEAT DEM ANON.. EH..

>>712602318 (OP)
It's kino. I don't get the hate.

>>712603382
But why are we defeating them? Thats the spice of ds3's story
Its not ds1, People are getting seriously weary of the linking of the fire, over and over to keep a dying age dying. And if ita even worth restarting yet again

>>712602318 (OP)
>contrarian
I honestly don't know if its possible to be contrarian in a negative sense about this game unless you're comparing it to DS2 & claiming thats somehow better.

>>712602318 (OP)
It certainly has the best bosses and soundtrack, i think thats 2 things it definitely has in the bag.
It may also have the best visuals, the vistas of lothric and the dreg heap are awe inspiring, mot that the other games dont have places like say anor londo or dragon aerie, but ds3 just has alot of em.
And i think its story is probably also the best because it gets to the crux of whats wrong with the fire linking curse as lothric calls it

Demon's and Dark Souls are still the best games. I can understand why someone might prefer Dark Souls III, I certainly remember a few of the fights fondly, but it's too much of a boss rush and not enough of an adventure. Amazing how From pioneered a new genre and proceeded to ruin it almost immediately.

didn't like any of the zones. got to pontiff to see what all the fuss was about then stopped playing

>>712603613
>But why are we defeating them?
>its not ds1
Its far more like DS1 in the context of that question, both 1 & 3 protags have no defined reason to do anything. In 2 you're afflicted with the curse & are seeking to cure it.

>>712602318 (OP)
It,s shit because you can't jump and there is too much distance between bonfires, so far elden ring is fromsofts only good game

>>712603380
Omg, i didn't even le think of that before.
You should totally charge people money for fixing their controller and become a billionaire doing so.
You should also go check your iq,i think it's 5 times higher than the average person, because nobody ever thought about that before.
You are truly the le Einstein of the universe

The areas are pretty shit but I really enjoyed most of the bosses

>>712603970
I have to disagree with that, because we are told in the literal opening cinematic what the ashen ones reason is "Ash seeketh ember"
Lothric isnt doing his duty of linking the flame, so the bell tolls and the other 3 lords of cinder arent willing either, so again it rings so there the ashen one is and now we gotta get all the fuel together to maybe have enough of a lordsoul-esque soul to do it ourselves(or just let it fade, the fate of the world ends up in the ashen ones hands in the end)

>>712603953
another one filtered by pontiff

>>712602318 (OP)
It's hated because it threatened BB supremacy.

Aside form a poor pallet choice and cherry picked graphic fuck ups you have to try hard to find, it's a very polished game.
I replayed it recently after BB to compare it, it's still great.

>>712602318 (OP)
I like it quite a bit and I think it's a bit overrated. people really gloss over the almost completely linear world design more often than not, which is a shame because it's the biggest issue with the game I think.

>>712602318 (OP)
Asianslop trash

>>712604402
>"Ash seeketh ember"
Ah shit yeah you're right, I completely forgot because it was three words lol. Never thought 3 would get one over on the original in the story department but I have to concede it at least made the effort to explain why your character had a motivation to go kill everyone.

>>712602318 (OP)
It is definitely overrated, but I don't think its horrible. DS3 is just the most boring and safe of the games, I can't think of any reason I would want to replay it aside from possibly fighting a small handful of the bosses. It is pretty forgettable.

>>712606004
>I would want to replay it aside from possibly fighting a small handful of the bosses. It is pretty forgettable.
That about sums it up.

Its literally just Bloodborne cut content and an early Elden Ring beta. PCfags heralded it because of Bloodborne sour grapes and because it had the most active pvp at the time.
Even the entire atmosphere of the game is specifically soulless and regurgitated for the sake of satisfying a "cycle" (AKA the contractual obligation to Bamco for a sequel) . The only people who aren't in on the joke are DS3 fans. You're a fucking joke.

>>712602318 (OP)
I just played through it again recently in the lead up to NR and its fine but it has way to much Bloodborne in its blood to fit with the other DS games and the linearity is a problem because it also pigeonholes you buildwise for large chunks of the game.
However anyone saying that shields and spells are useless is only half right.
They are completely viable its just that Straight Sword and Rolling are Optimal, but I still beat Nameless King by standing at a distance and using Vestiges for the fun of it.
Overall its just very linear and personally after all these years it would be more enjoyable to discuss how it and DS2 are Yin and Yang for each other in terms of how one builds a sequel to Dark Souls but this board has to many schizos about the topic to have an honest discussion.

>>712606004
>I can't think of a reason to replay it
Because it's fun?
That's like saying Elden Ring exists, not much of a reason to play DaS.

When people say it sucks, they're thinking of Road of Sacrifice and Demon Ruins, which are sloggish.
People would be saying BB was bad if they had Forgotten Woods as an early area.

>>712602318 (OP)
As someone who played all 3 + ER, I can safely say that DS3 is the best entry, followed by 1 due to good level structure and then ER, 2 is a shit game.

>>712603953
Come on, anon suly isn't even that hard.

>>712606370
That's true
The moment you decent the elevator from the settlement to the moment you kill the Watchers is the worst part of the game and just drags the whole thing down a notch pacing wise.

>>712606342
>Pidgeonholes you
Every great shield in the game and Stone Parma work just fine. You have to Vit max if you want uninterruptible heavy attacks that stagger.

>>712603380
DS3 feels like a blander version of sekiro, in terms of being a straightforward action game
once you play DS1 and DS2 you will probably get what i mean by this

>>712604528
your conditioning cannot let you fathom i beat him first and you instinctively responded with the bot response

>>712606370
I don't want to argue with you, so I'll just ask first. Do you really not understand what I meant by that? Did you think I meant the game was bad because I personally don't find it fun to replay?

>>712606342
i was wondering what you consider ds2 and ds3's importance to be in terms of being a sequel to DS1

>>712602318 (OP)
Probably my least favorite PVP. The rest was meh.

>>712606567
Farron was really bad in my memory but a recent play through I grew to appreciate it level wise. You look to the sky and head to the direction of the chimneys. It has a few "urgh" parts like three Elder Ghru rape squad but I was surprised how much I was enjoying it.

Road of Sacrifice on the other hand, is a real slog unless you're having fun with Watchdogs. It's just boring, a forest with hollows who fight with big logs and crabs. The crucifix guys that seem like a cut old Yharnam enemy are also really weak and easy to deal with.

I think what made Dark Root work in comparison is the weird almost alien enemies you encounter and the dark spooky atmosphere of it. You just come across some weird shit in that level, like big cats, lizard vines, haunted trees, frog rays.

>>712606370
>People would be saying BB was bad if they had Forgotten Woods as an early area.
The difference is you can actually get through it quickly retard, and there aren't 5 forgotten woods in Bloodborne, just one

another disingenuine DS3 faggots spreading lies

>>712606684
Your enjoyment is not objective to yourself, he defines what you feel & if you disagree with him you're actually lying about it. Or you were brainwashed by a youtuber to not enjoy what you actually really enjoy.
So go ahead and admit to yourself have several reasons to play it again but are just being contrarian because thats the objective reality he defined for how this game is experienced by everyone.

>>712606684
You're insisting that there is something it lacks. Really I think the MAIN thing that /v/ was looking for regarding it is BB has a lot of very involved npc interactions.

Like DaS III has some pretty good ones with patches and Siegward compared to earlier games, or other interesting shit like pacifying the dragon.

But BB really REALLY does a lot of effort with npcs interaction like with Derja's mini-gun fun.

So /v/ being /v/, dismisses DaS III because the more cinematic experience is more memorable.

>>712606965
>It doesn't have 5
DaS III has 2 bad areas. Demon Ruins under smoldering lake and Road of Sacrifice.
Farron just gets "I hate poison swamps" hate, it's a fun level.

BB has forgotten woods, you can also counter the Byrgenwerth since it's the most disappointing though.

>>712606965
>forgotten woods
>nightmare frontier
>nightmare of mensis
>yahar'gul
man bloodborne later areas all fucking sucked. ds3 has a few mediocre areas at the beginning but it is simply better overall

>>712603481
>nostalgiabaiting and poor pacing are kino
k bro

>>712607075
>You're insisting that there is something it lacks.
Yes, but the implication was supposed to be that the game doesn't have that many interesting set pieces. It has highlights obviously, and I think those are generally higher than the other souls games, but they're mostly tied to boss encounters. What DS3 is lacking in moreso than other Soulsborne games are is that sort of King's Field/Demon's Souls/dungeons crawling adventure aspect where the bosses are just the payoff and not the point. Like if I had to choose between playing the game again and playing a boss challenge mode where you just spawn at their boss arena, I would pick the latter for DS3 every time and the former for DeS, DS1 and DS2.

Also just to be clear since now you're assuming I'm /v/, I am not even sure it's worth comparing Bloodborne to DS3 at all and I can't think of any area I outright hated in DS3 aside from maybe that one building section of the Ringed City. It isn't like I am saying the game was horrible, if it came off that way it is my bad.

>>712606741
The quick and dirty version is that DS2 is a mechanical continuation of DS1 while DS3 is a thematic and stylistic continuation, but there is more nuance to that.

In more detail DS2 draws upon the Demons & Dark's secret appeal in that the games were designed like dungeon crawlers where you fight like an action game, instead of pure action game design. It also continues the general pace of combat and some of the engagement with oddball Multiplayer mechanics that each game since Dark Souls gradually sidelined.
I think for an execution standpoint DS2 is deeply flawed but the intention was there.

DS3 meanwhile is a mechanical continuation of Bloodborne, but it looks and feels more like a Sequel to Dark Souls than DS2. From weapon feedback to creature design, to just the overall story its what one would expect out of a sequel.

Lorewise DS2 continues the air of mystery and implication Da/eS and treats its callback in a "There was a knight who live long ago and I heard he was pretty cool "wink" "nudge". While 3 just gives us a sequel straight up with everything out in the open.

On the style of the games I would also say its more a 70-30% split between DS3&2 where 3 lack the dignity and presence creatures in DS1 were designed with while DS2 ahs that Dignity but lack the grit.
You can also see it in the overall style each game has

>Demons
Germanic Late Medieval Era Fantasy
>Dark
Classical Greek myth and fashion interpreted through the lenses of Southern European Late Medieval Fantasy
>Dark 2
Anglo-Celtic High Fantasy
>Blood
Victorian Gothic Lovecraft
>Dark 3
Dark 1 with the Greek Myth aspects striped away by time
>Sekiro
Feudal japan
>Elden
Late Medieval Central France with Celtic Influences.

>>712602318 (OP)
It's a good game, I liked playing it. I don't know about being overrated, I see plenty of complaints about it and I rarely see anyone praising it particularly highly.

>>712602318 (OP)
I don't get the obsession with souls games. You roll around and you occasionally press the attack button in between the rolls. How riveting.

>>712607982
Players enter your world and try to pvp you while you PVE.

It simulates the thrill of MMO social gameplay without the faggotry of being an MMO.

>>712607982
The early ones were basically fully controllable 3d dungeon crawlers and the later ones hit that sweet spot were you need to be fast and reactive to win but don't need to memorize a combo like in a fighting game or have the baked in implication that you won a fight wrong if you didn't get a S-Rank on a style meter.

>>712602318 (OP)
Its overrated, its also most peoples first souls game so they cant even comprehend the critique souls vets have on this game.

>>712602318 (OP)
it's overrated if you care more about level design and underrated if you care more about boss design

>>712606370
>That's like saying Elden Ring exists, not much of a reason to play DaS
See heres the thing most modern gamers especially ones falling under generations Z or A think this way. You try showing anyone something from an older era of games, movies or cartoons and they'll hate it unless its made in the 2020's with CGI done by browns and rejects.

>Dark Souls 2 thread is a shithole
>Dark Souls 3 thread is mostly chill regardless of opinion.

>>712602318 (OP)
It's not a bad game, but it's also the point when Souls games started turning into a self-parody. I just got tired of the formula and that was my last From game

>>712606616
Nobody just stops half way into a souls game ur either too busy with life to beat it and thus a normie or not good enough to play it to its end and thus lazy and or bad at the game.

>>712602318 (OP)
It has the best bosses

>>712609715
People underate the levels. They don't have the branching path autism but they do have the enemy synergy.
There are more enemies working together in functional gimmicks than DaS or even BB.

>>712609353
DS2 really mindbroke people into being mindless haters
DS3 was mostly forgettable aside from the endgame bosses.

>>712610054
DS2 has legit issues though, and its fans were mindbroken right back.

>>712610135
They just don't take shit from people who clearly formed their opinions from youtube essays.

>>712602318 (OP)
It's extremely exhausting to play through more so than it is overrated
>Be me
>Mercenary
>Doing my usual bullshit of progressing the quest
>Meet Orbeck in swamp
>Says he wants 4 tomes
>Most of those tomes are in the swamp area so I ask myself I'm going to get them later when I progress through the game
>Finish Wolnir boss
>He's getting cranky
>Dude, I'm busting my ass grinding on silver knights, I'll get you your tomes soon
>Go through Pontiff boss
>He leaves
>Goddamnit
>Okay, let's do fucking Sirris quest
>Fight Creighton expecting his armor
>Go to gravestone to Creighton
>Turns out I needed to do that BEFORE fighting against Pontiff
This game really loves softlocking you out of certain quests. Like, you have to play in a very specific order of the game. That may work fine with Morrowind, let's say, when you want to make sure you do enough of the Thieves guild BEFORE joining the fighters guild. But you can't do both at the same time and not run into the other and have yourself screwed over.

>>712610363
Nah there is some cope involved.
The game isn't bad, its just lackluster and unpolished, while also getting hit by the weight of expectations of being a sequel to Dark Souls.
The fans are super defensive and are unwilling to accept that you can like things that aren't that good overall.

>>712602318 (OP)
it's pretty bad. Instead of doing something interesting the whole game is just memerberries for Dark Souls 1

I think DS1 is a good game but it's kind of lame to lean so heavily on glazing DS1 without having anything of its own to offer

>>712610701
I like DS3 too but I know for souls standards its the worst. Yet its fans will insist that DS2 is the worst despite not being even in the same genre
It lacks the adventure aspect that the old souls game like DeS, DS, and DS2 have
As for nuSouls combat standards its literally a worse BB, Sekiro, and ER

>>712610963
For me its a tossup between if DS2 or 3 is on the bottom but they are both down there.
Personally I love DS2's build variety but I hate how flaoty it feels.
I played through the trilogy in the lead up to NR and both 1 & 3 felt better to play from a feedback standpoint so right now 2 is on the bottom.
However the next time I run through them that might change ya know.

>>712610701
>The game isn't bad, its just lackluster and unpolished
You can say this about every single Soulsborne title.

>The fans are super defensive and are unwilling to accept that you can like things that aren't that good overall.
Sure, because everybody else totally accepts this reasoning and definitely doesn't sperg out when you dare criticize DS1/DS3 or say DS2 did any aspect better at all. This is the core of the perceived defensiveness you see. People will say DS2 is shit because X, then people who played DS2 will point out that the other games also do X or that X doesn't actually work that way in the context of DS2, and that's treated as attacking the other games or being a white knight fanboy instead. If you dare disagree with people about DS2 it's cope to you people.

>>712611341
Personally a lot of the time the difference is that DS2 breaches the Thrust Thermocline in regards to critique. While the other games despite their flaws never cross that line.
Basically if your having a good time its easier to overlook flaws because the sum is greater than its parts.
For many people DS2 has good parts but as an overall package its not that good. Again I love the build variety and I also love the DLC, but there are other issues from world design to as I stated before feedback, that make all the little things more noticeable
Its hypocritical from a standpoints of objectivity, but form an experiential standpoint its a perfectly fine way to critique.
I will agree that people just getting things wrong is bad regardless.

On launch day I took three days off work to beat it over a long weekend and I think it's the most disappointed I've been in any game. Something felt off immediately like a different studio had made it as compared to DeS, 1, and 2. The whole time I was playing it I kept thinking "okay THIS is when the game is going to start to get good" but it never actually did and then it ended.

3 has a decent number of pretty good bosses but the levels feel uninteresting and there's a linearity there that consumes the game. I think it's still overall more enjoyable than 2, but it's lower than the other Soulsborne games. It's still that decent middle ground between Bloodborne and Elden Ring in terms of combat though.

>>712611801
Sadly Bloodborne permanently altered Miyzaki's brain and the old style of games was dead forever.

>>712611787
Isn't that just personal taste in the end? That's not a valid way to critique something or debate with others, it is just giving your subjective opinion. I also feel that way about both DS1 and 3 myself, but I'm not going to dismiss someone's point entirely because I don't think the positives of those games outweigh the flaws.

Its pretty bad, you can roll infinity times, enviorments have very bland colors, the only grass is in the dlc. It took nothing that DS2 did well.

>>712611895
Ive always felt like linearity is such an odd criticism of 3, sure dark souls has one of the most intricate and well designed worlds in all of gaming, but its completely an exception to the rest of the series in that regard, at the time 3 might as well have been the second least linear game if you count just 1,2,3 and demons

>>712602318 (OP)
it had potential but bloodborne was such a pile of shit that it legitimately ruined the game.

>>712612131
To my undemanding there are two big ways to critique, Experiencial, and Objective and both are valid as long as you don't conflate the two.
Objective gives better data but without a established set of criteria your comparing a product to, said data is meaningless.
Likewise Experiencenial critique has a inbuilt criteria of the subjects response to stimuli but data is incomplete because its all subjective.

>>712611801
Pray tell, when does dark souls 2 "get good"

>>712606342
I've always wanted to 100% DS3 but between the covenants and rings it's just too much

>>712602318 (OP)

Worst PvP in the series

>>712612468

When you level up enough AGI

>>712608242
>>712607982
Even when ER fails, the dungeons are fucking huge.
Vanilla still has the quadrupple fakeout tomb where you climb it, and the Chariot insanity.
The metaprogression inside of the game is also really well done.

>>712612468
The second you step foot in Majula ofcourse.

>>712603613
Ds3 is a mess. The decent dlcs don't redeem it. Ds3 is basically a bloodborne hd mod for ds1.

>>712603824
No aldia

>>712612207
The critique of linearity is retarded because Dark Souls 3 allows a lot of agency and to seek several build tools in many different orders.
People don't care because they are not RPG fans and only want "non linear" loops around the world map.

>>712602318 (OP)
I think it's the best Dark Souls, but I like Bloodborne more.

It feels terrible. Magic and miracles all suck. I un-installed before finishing my replay.

Doing a INT/FTH in Elden Ring felt SO good, it's a shame ER wasn't more linear with solo invasions like DS3.

>>712602318 (OP)
The only thing I remember about ds3 is that one cathedral place (Anor Londo?) and there's an item in the corner of the room and after you grab it this insane looking bloodborne monster silently appears right behind you. That shit freaked me out.

>>712614035
I seriously think people with rhis take are honestly unironically not giving the game enough credit. It is such a leap forward and idk how you guys can seriously consider it anything less that a polished game

>>712614175
>Magic and miracles all suck
>Tested it on my 30 strength, 30 faith build with unupgraded talisman

>>712614175
Show build

>>712613031
The the trick is to second monitor AFK farm the Farron Keep perimeter with a luck build for Swordgrass and Tongues with Darkmoon active, that way every 5-6 minutes you can run in and clean up for the drops while waiting for invasions. and then if you get the 10 Tongues for each you just swap over to the watchdog convenient while playing and farm out the rest of the 10 Ears at the Silver Knights.
Then its just a matter of getting to NG+2, keep the watchdog activated to collect more Swordgrass while running through the game again. Also don't forget to get Heysel as a summon for the Abyss Watchers fight to get her gesture.

>>712614264
Many such cases...

>>712603380
I found Sekiro to be worse than any Souls game. It’s interesting how varied opinions of this “series” are.

>>712614198
It's the most polished from game alright, at until the point it came out. Mechanically it's sound as well. They could've done better. Iirc ds2 and ds3 were in development hell due to incompetence. From is really a typical shovelware company. Ds1 is by far their best overall game for me. Ds1 had a tiny budget of 200m Yen iirc.

>>712606342
Anyone who says rolling is more viable than blocking can't block for shit
Dark Souls 3 made blocking ridicolously strong by removing weight stamina debuffs and making enemies stagger and stun more so attacking head on is incentivized

>>712607959
>Demons
>Germanic Late Medieval Era Fantasy
Demons is Romanesque, which is early medieval/late roman.
>Blood
>Victorian Gothic Lovecraft
Bloodborne is Edwardian

>>712614264
I used a magic build few years ago when it was nerfed to death already. When it came out, it was likely op.

>>712614504
>I used a magic build few years ago when it was nerfed to death already.
I used sorcery, pyromancy and miracles builds weeks ago and they were strong because I'm not a retard that can't make an actual build

>>712614264
No, tried it with 60 FTH and 30 INT/FTH.

The spells are all useless.
>>712614314

>>712614554
You played PvE, sure.

>>712603613
>But why are we defeating them?
That's what I asked to myself in Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 3 story however is excellent
An actual personal redemption arc for a fallen champion.

>>712607959
Oh and
>Dark 3
>Dark 1 with the Greek Myth aspects striped away by time
3 is late medieval gothic (in the proper term, not MUH SPOOOOOOKY HORROR)

>>712602318 (OP)
1 is better but 3 is a great game too.
Do not listen to the incel contrarians and just play it. It's great. I found it harder than 1 because it is faster and more ADHD and I was more prone to panic rolling because of this.
The one negative is the overuse of nostalgia bait.
Elden Ring is great too btw.

>>712614175
>int/fai felt SO GOOD
Weird take considering int/fai was pretty shit in ER before the DLC, with only one dedicated weapon, holy damage being gimped, Death spells being mostly under performing damage wise and Magma spells being more at home with an int heavy build with light fai investment for utility.

The DLC of course, fixed all that with Spectral Rings and the Putrescence spells, at least for death builds.

In DaS III pyromancies are very very strong, as are dark spells.

>>712614554
I usually never use builds, always use random items or spells. I played a build in ds2 once, games easy af if you run around optimizer. Wonder where's the fun?

>>712614638
Why or how is he given a second chance? They could've rang the bell earlier.

>>712614731
INT/FTH was fantastic before the DLC. The base game is full of spells and equipment which all work wonderfully with an INT/FTH character.

>>712602318 (OP)
I wanted to like it but DS1 is just too good in comparison. I just wish it had better PvP and more players.

>>712602318 (OP)
The fact souls is so easily replicable is the most obvious indicator of slop, that eventually manifested into the souls-like meme. Dark Souls was praised because everyone was sick of movie games being pushed and preferred something that wasn't completely braindead in regards to gameplay, that was to some degree as challenging as games back in the PS1 era or something. That didn't make it good on the other hand. DeS or Dark Souls 1 weren't really ever that good. As for 3, just as unimpressed. I don't like the i-frames shit about souls. It's always been wonky. I can't get over how artificial it's difficulty always felt. And retards were saying git gud just because you could notice terrible hitbox placement. Mainly when you uncapped the FPS.

>>712603613
>>712614638
So Lothric decided to NOT do his job, and the blue vs red knight rebellion failed.
And the lands starts converging with each kindling ressurected, but those people decide to become insane or become idle.

You should rewatch the opening cinematic. You and every single Ashen you encounter is NIGGA DEAD.

>>712615000
>The fact souls is so easily replicable is the most obvious indicator of slop
Truth. I don't mind the formula per se, just the iterations seem to become lazier and slopier. Salt and sanctuary is among the best souls games and it might even be so that this formula works better in 2D.

>>712615000
The normies were right when they said God of War was better. Dark Souls is just a gay abomination of Monster Hunter and King's Field.

>>712602318 (OP)
It's well rounded. It doesn't have any terrible parts and it doesn't try anything funky, just focuses on good execution of the formula. Unfortunately it also means it doesn't do anything exceptionally well, that's why you never see anyone say it's their favorite.

>>712614589
You are a massive clown, how about you learn how to play?
You and every other retard claiming shields, armor, any spell or really any build except poison are bad in Dark Souls 3 (Toxic Mist is still excellent)

>>712614673
I hate /v/'s take on "Nostalgia bait", it's a sequel to DaS.
The only one I don't like, that I will concede to is the pale lady.
It's not because she died (I mean really people do you think humanity shards were going to save her?).
It's because she's petrified in some random Carthas crypt tunnels with Quelana's corpse there.
Yes Carthas is a kingdom that succeeded Izailith and they dug their catacombs out of the remains of it, but I feel like they wouldn't just leave her petrified body in the spot it was found and build around it, it really needed its own room, like you fall into a pit thats the remains of her old room or some shit.

Everything else was good
>Andre!
Andre was either resurrected by the bell of awakening or never died. Undead are immortal until hollowing as Patches proves in the DLC. I personally think he was restored as he isn't there but his hammer is in Untended Graves.
>Patches
It's fucking Patches your retards, he's in every game
>Siegward!
Seigward is less of a dumbass than Seigmeyer, their behavior is cultural.
>Elizabeth and her mushroom children!
Again whats the issue? Farron is future Oolacile and she's fungus. She's clearly trying to come back but the Ghru keep killing her children
>Dusk is a tree!
Pretty sure it's just the ivory catalyst that grew into a tree after eons. It's magic don't need to explain shit
>Priscilla
Priscilla has the most convoluted references and fate in Dark Souls III. There are many many things hinting at what happened to her.
>Soul of Cinder
It's Gwyn fused with every other lord of cinder. It's a fitting end to the game.

>>712614440
Ds1 was good in 2011 it is however no longer 201q

>>712614919
Yeah I would do that too, combine rancors and try to bait people. It was harder than that webm would suggest.

>>712615548
Cute PvE lol

>>712615916
Even if they don't run into it, it's nice for keeping them away from you.

I hated how everything is grim dark for the sake of it. The world building is nothing mysterious nor fun. It's a misery porn fan fic with no thought put into it besides being a cheap imitation and cash grab sequel.

>>712616023
>Moving the goalpost
I accept your concession

>>712616070
Sometimes with enough Rancor spam and Rykards I'd get a kill, but people wised up. I tried getting good at free aiming magma shot but that was like pulling teeth.

The DLC really saved the build since you can Rancor for cover then run up and spam vortex or you can free aim fully charged globs in the direction they're running.

>>712616168
Two terrible spells anyone with half a brain would roll through. You have a webm against a retarded person who never even attacked. DS3 ducks.

>>712616224
Or they try running through rancor thinking they're slick and you hit em with the Rellana fire twirl.

>>712616257
>Attacking through Unfaltering
Yeah that's how I know you are a complete RETARD as if it wasn't already clear
>DS3 ducks
Lol

>>712616332
>Lol
Phone poster. I win. Also DS3 sucks and only brown people play it.

>>712616324
yeah but when the DLC released a lot of cool death gear I stayed fully dedicated to death at that point. I think the Scadubrairs and Miriam's Vanish are the only deviation from the build.

I even use ghostflame torch for surprise role catching.

>>712616101
>The world building is nothing mysterious nor fun
Objectively false, in fact it's when Miyazaki started being even more esoteric and obscure in lore

>>712615548
>>712616168
Based webmanon

>>712616101
>It's not mysterious
It turns over every single Dark Souls 1 lore theory and fills the setting with even more mystery.

>>712616101
Everything being grimdark misery porn is why I cannot give a fuck about the story and characters and lore of the souls games. Any of them. There's no verisimilitude. Suspension of disbelief is just not possible for me.

>>712603613
>But why are we defeating them
They tell you that like 2-3 times already at the start.
Fire’s about to fade out, and the guy that was supposed to make it blaze up again decided to fuck off instead, so they brought back to life the previous people who linked the flame to do it again but burning in fire for all of eternity sucks so they all say fuck off (except the boss weapons guy in the hub), then they revive the losers that couldn’t even link the fire to get these guys back and also the guy that was supposed to link the fire.
They refuse = you kick their asses and drag them on their thrones to burn anyway.
DS2 is the actual game that had me wondering why the fuck am I fighting most of these people.

>>712616383
He's at his breaking point at the end of his tantrum
>I win
like a child, lol

>>712610963
>It lacks the adventure aspect that the old souls game like DeS, DS, and DS2 have
Completely false
In fact I believe Dark Souls 2 is the one that lacks the adventure aspect
Everything is placed artificially and developers didn't care about immersion or the map making sense.
Drangleic as a place is pretty bland and an incoherent theme park of random locations, so the whole game is like a map pack spinoff from the side team that developed Lost Izalith

>>712616539
It's why they should be handed to a second studio preferably western since the art design is nice but Fromsoft is allergic to writing anything good or coherent.

>>712602318 (OP)
I played them all except 2, and it's probably the weakest entry imo

>>712616458
A reminder that bloodborne was by far the most cohesive souls game with understandable lore.
So what he did was change Kosm's name to Ebrietas and add Kos to the DLC just to completely confuse everyone.

>>712602318 (OP)
What even happens in the lord of hollows ending?
Also if the age of dark is so good why are all the dark creatures retarded and evil?

>>712616575
>DS2 is the actual game that had me wondering why the fuck am I fighting most of these people.
That's the point. You don't even need to. Someone tells you to go somewhere to find a cure and when you get there someone spins you a load of bullshit to use you. It's not an accident that the door opens even if you don't kill the bosses like is claimed is needed. That did that deliberately.

Someone cut Miyazaki out from writing future From titles. Retard needs to be kicked out at this point for holding the company back from its full potential.

>>712616653
Wring
Ebrietas is the Great One School if Mensis bargained with to have their brain and search communion with Kosm

>>712616692
You become the king of an era for humans. Fire will be back eventually though
And Dark has ups and downs. Ups is some peace and quiet for weary souls, down is fucked up monsters and giant human souls attacking you sometimes and some people going feral.

>>712616738
Kek 2faggots are delusional

>>712616839
Japs in general can't write good lore for shit. Dark Souls only gets a pass for being one of the first of its kind.

>>712616692
>What happens in the age of hollows ending
You become the thing binding reality, everybody lives forever as undead in a sick dark zombie world under an eternal eclipse, just as kaathe planned.

>If the age of dark is so bad why is it monsters n shit
Because humans are monster n shieet but the fluffy comfy age of fire wasn't meant to live forever.

Read Childhood's End to understand the despair Miyazacki is going for.

>>712616692
>What even happens in the lord of hollows ending?
The player uses the Darksign to become Lord of Humanity, embracing the Curse of Hollowing. Because all humans are linked to the Fire, they are also linked to the Usurper, who controls the Flame

>>712616839
Why is there bickering between souls 1 and 2 fans when both games are shit? like what causes this futile shit flinging over mediocrity from both sides? the youtube essayist war on this is really quite nauseating.

>>712617008
All From games are shit at the end of the day and inferior to alot of games. Shovelware cultists are just like that.

>>712616929
Best ending is the secret ending when you step on the firekeeper

>>712616776
Ebrietas is called Kos in the files and Rom's sheded skin is in her chamber. She was going to be Kos, but the name was swapped because the story was too obvious.
Also Bloodletting Beast is the source of the beast plague, at least file name wise.

>>712617008
Just like with Bethesdafags the argument is always who is less shit rather than the best.

>>712602318 (OP)
After replaying all of the Souls games recently I, it's clearly the 2nd worst game in the series, it was too linear and half-baked to the point where it felt more like a BB spinoff than a Souls game. DaS2 is still worse since it's clearly even more unfinished and have some actually glaring flaws like ADP, Soul memory and slowed down gameplay.
>ER>DaS>DeS>DaS3>DaS2

>>712614919
Fix your fashion, should be wearing all black

>>712617084
That was brutal and better than the cucked liking the fire ending.

However what's going on remains ambiguous. Either you're linking the fire or you ate it but not in the same way the Usurper did.

>>712602318 (OP)
DkS2 is my favorite Dark Souls because it has some really good fashion and power stance is peak fun. Also the weapon stance animations in 2 are by far the best.
DkS3 just feels like Elden Ring and the fights are just as hectic but DkS 3 has no stagger bar, making big weapons objectively shit. I thought 3 was ok when it came out, after playing ER it just feels like a bad beta versio nof ER and I don't wanna play it anymore.

>oh look the boss is dead, yay
>nvm another hp bar
>again
The Elden Sloppa HP problems originate right here.

>>DaS
>>DkS
Just say DS like a normal person... nobody will ever think you're talking about Demon Souls in a normal discussion.

>>712617429
>Dark souls 3 has no stagger
Wrong, try using more R2's. It's harder to stagger but DaS III does have a stance break system.

>>712614502
I concede on Bloodborne and DS3 I will fight you on Demons, the game features way to many locations with advanced technical know-how and its cultural influences.
Saying it was Germanic was a cop out when its more a general hodgepodge of Northern areas of Central and Western Europe influences (Northern France to Czechia with more focus put on the east of that band).

>>712617484
>DS
That stands for Darksiders on /v/.
We use DaS because DeS exists and because DkS is a reddit term.

>>712602318 (OP)
It's a bit overrated
>Too many swamps
>World too linear
>Too many bonfires
>Combat can be summarised as Bloodborne but without the rally or the cool trick weapons

>>712617526
I mean yeah they stagger for 1 second but you don't get basically nothing for it. ER makes big weapons feel way more viable with the stance break. The balance is a bit questionable because you can achieve stagger with longswords just as quickly by spamming R2s but it's something at l east

>>712617681
No they literally get stance broken into a critical animation. I've just done a run of DaS III with big hammers and I was surprised at the amount of bosses where it can be done.

>>712612118
I love Bloodborne but it really did. We're never getting clever level design ever again. From now it's nothing but honorable duels with humanoid enemies. Our only hope is a new Kings Field game

These games started to feel like shitposts after 1. It doesn't help that chinks and gooks got onto the meme and started to copy them.

>>712617345
I think he basically just uses the first flame like one big Ember

>>712617681
>I mean yeah they stagger for 1 second but you don't get basically nothing for it
Uh... what?
You can hit them with a critical move if you stagger them.
Have you seriously NEVER seen it? The loud ass "THUUUUUNK" sound where they don't move and you can just run up to them and stab them in the front or back and deal like 60% of their health?
I guess they added the giant glowing weak spot in Elden Ring for people like you.

There is a lot to say but upon relaying it I appreciate how the run-up to the Twin Princes feels like a very proper conclusion to the series.
>The sun is literally bleeding in the sky
>Face a trio of Greataxe Man, Katana Man, and Caster Lady
>Run a gauntlet of varying types of rank soldiers from footmen to knights with varying weapons.
>Get rewarded for paying attention with an extra shortcut
>Get a Teleporting Gimmick Duo Boss that is also a pale twink and a sword dude past his prime
>Final Boss switches between Greatsword, Curved Sword with Pyromancy, Spear with Miracles, and Caster
>Final Fight ends with a Revamped Gwyn fight

The game basically tests you capability on every single Iconic aspect of the series up to that point with Archdragon peak doing it again but for monstrous enemies to get the stone alongside a Havel Fight, Dragon Fight, and a single guy with weapon fight, but this time in his prime.

>>712617936
It wasn't BB, it's that From blamed their nitpicking precision in designing Lordran to be a 1:1 as the reason it didn't get finished.

With Elden Ring they wanted to do the open world meme and it was alright, but that's probably the budget they'd need to get back to DaS tier level design.

>>712616915
>Japs in general can't write good lore for shit.
Hidetaka Miyazaki can. Dark Souls 2 is just a parody of Souls games that goes through the same motions of trying to craft a similar story and setting while completely failing at understanding how to do it

Lothric Castle is surrounded by statues of Priestesses on its High Walls and Church because the religion the Fire, and the Firelink maidens went from little more than abused vessels for the Firelink to an important religious figure, with the High Priestess being the equivalent of the Popess

The Archives of Lothric have statues of Winged Serpents to show how the Serpents coveted to become dragons and their manipulations aimed at using research of Dark Souls. This is portrayed with the past King of Lothric bearing the Firelink while soaring through the sky. So when the Angel appeared, a cult formed around the ascension of humanity.
The Old King of Lothric is depicted like Constantine the Great, as a winged man holding a scepter, symbol that in the history of Dark Souls, the true capital of the world was moved from Anor Londo to Lothric, where the Klin is. The accuracy with the real life equivalents Rome and Constantinople is not a coincidence as Miyazaki is an history fan and is also present in many parts of Elden Ring setting

The Lothric Knights carried the tradition of dragon hunting, and they are depicted as beheading themselves to be reborn as undead with their blood linked in the basin of vows. This is why most of them are burned to ash and leaving empty armor.

Lothric is not just Lordran into the future, but so far into the future that society, religion, customs and architecture change and evolve in a logical way. You can see the detail and care that was put in the setting.

Drangleic Castle is barren except it has a huge creepy painting of Nashandra and then you get close and there's an evil sound and smoke and you get cursed, because Dark Souls 2 is the cartoon network version of a Souls game

>>712618115
>Have you seriously NEVER seen it
No

>>712618184
I love how the lothric knights just get constantly healed and buffed by priests.

>>712617681
Off the top of my head
>Vordt you can R2 his head if he does the ice breath and it immediately staggers him so you can get free hits
>Old Demon King can be staggered by dealing enough poise damage and he stands there and you can stab him in the head for big damage
>Crystal sage can be staggered by enough hits or poise damage and you can just stab him in the stomach
>Abyss Watchers can be staggered by enough DPS burst and you can stab them in the stomach
>Pontiff Sulyvan is the go to parriable boss
>Deacons are laughably easy to backstab to end the fight in 10 seconds if you don't have AOEs
>both Gundyrs can be poise broken for stabs or parried
etc

>>712617429
Dark Souls 2 is the game that has no stagger or histun
Dark Souls 3 gives to R2s the ability to consistently interrupt enemies, it's actually the first game where R2s are worth it and running R2s will constantly interrupt enemies

>>712617125
That would make no sense as the School of Mensis failed to contact Kosm

Since there is nowhere else to say it, I miss variable weapon swing speeds from Dark Souls 1.
It helped to give different weapons of the same type more unique aspects than just scaling and length, and them slightly speeding up upon upgrade really helped in making you feel stronger.
Its also a big reason why the Zwei was so popular. When fully upgraded it had the perfect swing speed to suntlock an opponent in PvP making ti a legit threat.

pvp clowns

i ultimately do prefer ds3 to elden ring, and the rest of the souls games. elden ring being open world was a nice novelty but it is a shit genre of games.

>>712602318 (OP)
It has the best feeling gameplay with some really good level design. I can't even stand the idea of replaying DaS1 or 2 when 3 is right there and is just more fun by default. It's just so, so fucking polished. When people complain about DaS3 I have to think they're just looking for some shit. Yes my favorite souls games are Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls 3.

My biggest complaint about the game is that Ashes of Ariandel is DLC you have to pay for when it just has one good boss and that's it.

Kos simply refused to listen. She's mourning Rom when you find her, by sulking over her shed skin.

>>712602318 (OP)
I'm positive the people defending 3 havent touched it in decades. There's nothing redeeming about it

>>712603824
>best bosses and soundtrack
>generic orchestra stock shit
>Dude in armor for the 100th time
>Propably the worst dragon boss in all From games.

>>712619014
I just played it after BB, which was after Elden Ring, it's underrated.

>>712619059
Dudes in armor were the best fights in all three games. The dudes in armor you fight in DeS and BB were also the best fights. I think you're misunderstanding how good and satisfying dudes in armor are to fight. They are consistently the best and most engaging fights with very few camera issues.

>>712614082
>The critique of linearity is retarded
it's not. Its genuine the most boring and lazy design I've seen

>>712618209
I don't need realistic to scale interconnected world ala DaS1, DeS was perfectly fine and even DaS2 has some moments of brilliance despite its problems. I just really miss the environments being a giant death trap actually trying to kill me. Almost all my deaths in ER were to bosses or combat encounters, nothing even came close to the dread of getting cursed in the Depths when I played DaS1. There are no consequences for sloppy play in nu Souls.

>>712619014
I'm positive you are a massive faggot

>>712619059
All souls games have sub par sound tracks with a few good bangers.
Even BB has a pitiful, SINGLE good theme.
>Midir
>worst
Lmao.

>>712615548
>have to spend your entire mana on 2 basic enemies with extremly limited refresh ressources
wow bravo, you just showed us

>>712619254
>it's not.
It is
>Its genuine the most boring and lazy design I've seen
That would be Dark Souls 2

>>712602318 (OP)
i never finished 3. i wasn't having too much fun with it, and then the game threw like 4 swamps in a row at me.
fuck you, miyazaki.

>>712619252
The issue is if you don't have other kinds of bosses breaking up the armor dudes its gets dull for most people.

>>712619332
>2 basic enemies
>extremly limited refresh ressources
Nice shitpost, retard

>>712615548
Wth, is this ps5?

>>712619252
>Dudes in armor were the best fights in all three games
No, dudes in armor were the best fights in other games.
However in Dark Souls II dudes in armor are all the same shitty fight where you go behind their back and they try to track you and fail

>>712603481
4contrarianism and pic related.

Nobody cares about your shitty webms tranny

>>712619503
>However in Dark Souls II dudes in armor are all the same shitty fight where you go behind their back
>shows webm going behind their back
ds3 sisters....

You know what else is interesting about people bitching about Dark Souls 3 in these threads?
There's always that one guy that bitches about heavy weapons being impossible to use because the enemies are too fast and "like Bloodborne" when a fucking STR build is the most retard friendly and easy build in the entire game. You can just fucking steamroll the entire game by knocking down enemies left and right with charged R2s, staggering bosses, and deleting health bars.

>>712610693
lmfaooooo

>>712602318 (OP)
I don't know how it's rated to know if it's overrated
it's the game where souls burnout caught up to me but I don't know if that's the game's fault

It's my favorite just for the kino endings.

>>712619569
>Staggering bosses
>Actually blocking actively in combat
>Pressuring the enemy
Ds2 wished it could

>>712619503
I hate that guy, I never have any idea what's supposed to be an active hitbox and what is just him flailing around

>>712619634
Souls burnout is real, because I played BB last of all of them and while I found the trick weapons satisfying and the game enjoyable, I wasn't overwhelemed with euophoria people promised.

I then realized that going from DaS II or DaS to BB is quite the leap in quality and kino, so of course people were like that.

But BB and Elden Ring are very good, so BB didn't have the impact people claimed it would.

THAT part: the game

>>712619686
the dust indicates his attacks. He just really punishes people who think they stagger him.

>>712619717
But DaS III and Elden Ring*

>>712619686
will the last 75% of this backswing hit you or is it just an animation: the game

>>712602318 (OP)
It's both

>>712619732
>THAT part: the game
problem is the entire game is THAT part

>>712619365
I feel as if Dark Souls 3 breaks up the monotony often enough to where it doesn't feel like it's too much. It admittedly has a lot of dudes in armor fights, but it does a good job of doing:
>dude in armor
>weird freak
>dude in armor
>weird freak
>dragon
>dragon
>dude in armor
>weird freak
I like that.

>>712619717
I never played BB but DaS3 was still the end of the line for me. I played the original version and beat it but felt pretty awful, then when I finally got the DLC when it went on sale thinking maybe I'd get the interest back but it was like trying to eat a dirty dishrag and I couldn't get more than a minute into them. I don't blame DaS3 for it, I think it was just enough of the genre for my lifetime.

>>712602318 (OP)
>overrated
i almost see nothing but universal dislike for ds3 on this board

DS3 is a great game but they made it too depressing and the enemies too aggressive. You can't take a step without some zombie screaming in your ear.

DS1 is very comfy in comparison with the only negative thing being the unfinished state of the game.

DS2 is a 5/10 game, it being a "souls" game doesn't add or detract to it, clearly the people involved didn't understand what made DES&DS1 good or interesting.

Elden Ring is decent enough but suffers a lot from Tanimuras influence, well if not Tanimura then there's some retard at fromsoft making horrid decisions.

Sekiro would be perfect if the story was better, or at least delivered in a better way.

Haven't played DES or BB unfortunately.

>>712610693
All of them are like that. Souls games use boss progression as a form of time progression.
Locks people out of invading you in that area, so it like wise also causes quests to fail.

It's probably the worst in elden ring, but DaS III is pretty bad with extra softlocks that were added, like auto-failing Sirris quest if you feed Rosaria a tongue which soft locks you out of Yorshka and Moundmakers if you failed to find Hodrick before fighting Greatwood.

>>712619365
No. The issue is that Dark Souls 2 bosses are boring and samey and lack any kind of uniqueness to how they move and fight

>>712620334
>and lack any kind of uniqueness to how they move and fight
Not that it matters because I beat them all the same way, i.e. hugging them and circling around to attack their back.

>>712620334
unreal how fair tracking was in DS3 compared to ER.

>>712602318 (OP)
Yes.
Yes.

>>712602318 (OP)
No. Dark Souls 3 was a massive step ahead in RPG mechanics and combat for Souls games and deserved every bit of its praise.

>>712616626
Your playing as a zombie thats rapidly losing his memories and you cant suspend your disbelief enough to just imagine there was slight travel time between locations.

DS2 had the most diverse locations and it isnt even a shitty pallet swap like DS3 too, every area had its own charming gimmicks that made it stand out, each location was memorable in its own way thanks to this, whether it was activating an effect which drastically changes the entire area to just being a well defended fortress. I can remember the first time I crawled out of my cave to stumbling upon Majula to seeing the shrine of Amana for the first time and just wondering how did I ever get here. That sort of wonder simply didn't exist in DS3.

Not even the DS3 babies can defend its horrible areas, it just molds together in a single grey swamp that you roll your way past. All the locations in DS3 is honestly comparable to a line in disney, its just there to keep you entertained until the ride/boss, it looks pretty but ultimately shallow.

>>712607270
Don't forget
>HEMWICK CHARNAL LANE XD OMG THAT SOUNDS LIKE DA WITCHES N SHIT
>MYSTERY NIGGAS WOAHHHH THREE NIGGAS DRAPED IN BLACK THAT USE SNAKES?? OH EM GEE
>AMADALA
>AMADALA
>24fps

>>712602318 (OP)
I think its the game most newcomers on PC got to play first. So thats probably why its overly beloved. And as usual, people who got in earlier shit on that opinion.

>>712620996
>mystery niggas become a common enemy later on
But then Elden Ring is slop for having 16 tree lizards..

>>712621064
Where do people get the idea that DaS III is overly beloved? If it's non-/v/ normalfags I usually hear love for all the games.

on /v/? DaS 3 is the most hated, for meme reasons.

>>712604180
why you so hostile man

>>712602318 (OP)
I love it but yes it's absolutely overrated especially when people praise the gameplay because that is by far the weakest element of it.

>>712602318 (OP)
Every dark souls game is a good game, and every one of them has its own significant flaws.

>>712620334
Dark Souls was never about this boss fight autism. Even the final boss in DS1 could be killed by 3 parries and the most anime move was a front flip by Artorias. Everybody remembers Sens Fortress and Anor Londo, no one can even remember a single area from DS3.

>>712620945
>It's an adventure because everything is half assed and nothing makes sense
Brilliant
>Memorable
Nothing in Dark Souls 2 feels memorable though, because it's a retread of previous games with no lore and atmosphere to back it up
Farron Keep is a lot more memorable for example, it's a great area where warriors develop a communion with the wraiths of the Fallen Comrades that were linked by blood and mutate into primordial beasts.

>>712602318 (OP)
It was my favorite souls game.
I recently played Nioh 2 and then tried playing this again. Game is absolute shit now, I literally cannot play it anymore.

>>712621506
>Dark Souls was never about this boss fight autism
Is that why Dark Souls 2 placed 300 hundreds low quality bosses all over the game?
>no one can even remember a single area from DS3.
Wrong
>Even the final boss in DS1 could be killed by 3 parries
Terrible design fail by admission of the developers
Secondary nigger

>>712621517
they've been reusing their assets forever Anon. they're not called assets From my last Software for nothing
they even reuse some King's Field and Shadow Tower designs in later games

>>712621667

Dark Souls 3 always felt like Miyazaki gutted a Sly Cooper Remake and shoved in souls mechanics. The tonal whiplash from area to area reminded me of Sly Cooper, but the gameplay was just dark souls.

>>712619686
what? He is literally the most fair boss in souls series. All of his attacks are so well telegraphed. I suck shit at souls and he was the only boss I ever no hit killed

>>712621517
>Nothing in Dark Souls 2 feels memorable though,
Im sorry you are a low IQ troglodyte that ran past every area not even discovering the gimmicks. Also that is a blatant lie every DS3 tranny still seethes over the Iron keep, Shrine of Amana, and the Frigid Outskirts.

>Farron Keep
Was that the greyish swamp where you fight an anime boss fight at the end or the blackish swamp where you fight an anime boss at the end?

Fromslop has always made absolute trash. It blows my mind. A man in a suit of armor and you attack and slow roll. Reuse the assets for every game. Wow so revolutionary. Fuck souls games and fuck this overrated trash company. Thankfully people are catching on

>>712602318 (OP)
Is it overrated? I feel like most people are pretty neutral towards it.

>>712621824
>phonetranny
>shitter opinion
name a more iconic duo

>>712621506
Irythyll and Irythyll dungeon seared into most peoples minds

2 slop is good though like chili
3 slop is bland like oatmeal

the problem is that dark souls 1 is not slop at all and neither is demon's souls or bloodborne. sekiro is barely slop but it gets its slop pass revoked because of swimming mechanics.Elden Ring was just them vibing on gimmicks, the post-WW2 sex of souls design.

>>712621667
They are called like that by Shart Souls 2 worshippers that hate all other Souls games.
Ds2 is just an awful mesh of Dark Souls troped chewed and churned out with no genius and creative spark. There's literally nothing of Dark Souls 2 that stand on its own 2 feet

>>712602318 (OP)
>Andre the blacksmith is a fire keeper for some fucking reason
DS3 is a mess of ideas and unoriginality and wastes no time in showing it. it's Dark Souls: The Greatest Hits, constantly reminding you of better days

>>712622000
>>Andre the blacksmith is a fire keeper for some fucking reason
What the fuck are you talking about, schizo?

>>712622000
lol, lmao, like clockwork
>>712615874

>>712622049
see >>712621902

>>712621631
>Is that why Dark Souls 2 placed 300 hundreds low quality bosses all over the game?
Yes, the bosses weren't the main focus of Dark Souls 2 you judge them together with the whole area. The iron king was a nice conclusion to the entirety of iron keep, Demon of song lets you finally kill the being who was singing the entire time, etc ...

>>712622047
idk it's been forever since I played that turd of a game, I just know that Andrew has something to do with estus flasks which would normally be done by a different NPC
he has no reason to be in the game either way. the only recurring character I'll accept is Patches, and even he started wearing thin ages ago

>>712622147
Estus was improved by right of Kindling in Das you dipshit, there was no npc.

>>712602318 (OP)
I rate it as bland and annoying. Worst Souls game for me

>>712622113
>Yes, the bosses weren't the main focus of Dark Souls 2
Is that why they felt compelled to make a game about long corridors leading up to boss fights?

>>712622147
Retarded nigger

>>712621929
Its really not, theres no penalty for running past the entire level in ds3. You arent forced to interact with the enviroment, in fact DS3 even has a bonfire infront of every boss.

DARK SOULS (2011) is the only good one

>3 babs still seething about 2

>>712622221
>posts a tutorial level
DERP 2FAGS PWNED

>>712622296
>I can run
Oh ok so you're a faggot. Running defeats all souls games.

>>712622296
>You arent forced to interact with the enviroment, in fact DS3 even has a bonfire infront of every boss.
False
It has actually useful shortcuts linking the boss to bonfires though

>>712622320
Hmmm....

>>712622221
Even one of the first areas in DS2 had more things going on than the entirety of the map in DS3.

Theres a large knight thats slightly stronger than you(at this stage of the game) and if you kill him you reveal a switch that raises platforms in the boss room, you find these knights to fully raise all platforms and fight the boss in a larger area and with no pitfalls.

>>712622320
Wow this game has a lot of tutorial levels with 3+ bonfires

>>712622483
>Even one of the first areas in DS2
You mean that demo area that tried to sell Dark Souls 2 has having a level design revolving around bonfires but that is peak false advertising? Lol dark Souls 2 is corridor central, and not a crumb of verticality even if Tanimura's life depended on it

>>712602318 (OP)
>bosses are less puzzles to figure out and more ADHD rollfests
>music is just loud orchestral wailing with very little variety
>bonfires everywhere, often times barely a minute apart, gone is the tension of the original DaS' sparse bonfires
>obscene nostalgia pandering
>ugly, washed out environments
>poison swamps galore, all worse than what we got in DeS
>linearity wouldn't be such a problem if it made up for it in other areas, but it doesn't
there's more probably, but that should cover it

>somehow they made the main access to the Royal Throne of a castle a literal corridor 2 meters wide
>then they did it again with the small wooden doors to access the huge Dragon Shrine
This shit is hilarious

>>712622446
>A dragon nest in the sky, where if you destroy enough eggs the dragons will literally destroy the only way to the next area killing you in the process
>also the eggs hide some of late game upgrade materials, equipment, and powerful trinkets

>Defeat 1 champion or get chased down by 20 dudes

Yeah Im thinking KINO

>>712622446
>extremely nonlinear area with ENDGAME plot content at the end
2FAGS ARE SO PWNED HOLY FUCK

>>712622507
>a literal transition between story segments has more content than all of dark souls three
HOLY FUCK 2FAGS LOST

>>712622589
>"corridor central"
>leads to FIVE completely different areas
JUST PACK IT UP

>>712622757
>literal labyrinth
>"gross linear slop"
2FAGS WE'RE LOSING SO HARD

>>712622729
>gone is the tension of the original DaS' sparse bonfires
Do you mean DeS? Bonfires aren't that sparse in DaS.

meanwhile, let's take a look at dark souls 3

i dropped 1+never tried 2, it's far superior to 1 and ive heard nothing but bad things about 2

>>712602318 (OP)
pure rollslop

>>712622948
imagine the depth of this late game area 3chads

>>712622507
>Dissing Shrine of Amana a literal master class of level design and clever use of game mechanics
Yeah you are hopeless, and posting the maps themselves are disingenuous because it clearly doesnt tell the whole story. The only thing you proved is that you are too low IQ to appreciate the level design or you have never played the game and hate this game because your favorite strimmer/youtuber told you too.

>>712623019
super nonlinear way more than ds2

>>712621667

DS3 and DS2 are both ugly and need lighting mods/reshade to be playable.

>>712622948
>>712623019
>>712623084
NO NO NO DS3 xixters dont look these Dark Souls chuds are just editing these maps to make them appear smaller.

>>712614409

Lol is supposed to be the irithyll equivalent in dark souls 2 btw

I got up to the fight with a guy on a dragon, had to format the PC for some reason and the game didn't save with Steam.
Not starting it all again. Fuck that , it's not that good

Those who say Dark Souls 2 has no verticality are being unfair to the game
The levels are on top of each other

It's amazing how Fromsoft can shit out a 4/10 game like Dark Souls 3 and you'll still have this many people who make liking it their entire personality and will defend every terrible aspect of it.

>>712623852
Kek

>>712602318 (OP)
Honestly I think its kinda overrated. It felt like ass after playing bloodborne. So fucking slow.