>wants to cuck you with your dad
>>712639639Here we go again...god forbid someone treats your father with respect.
>>712639298This is what she looks like after the timeskip :)
>>712639214 (OP)Ignatzโs bitch
>>712639639Nah, she's just a earnest, hotblooded apprentice.
>>712639721She's not treating him with respect, she's downright obssessed
>>712640340Nah, she never oversteps her boundaries.
Bernie fag is long gone, only Leonie bros remain.
>>712639214 (OP)Why do people hate her so much anyways? Is it really all because she dares criticize Byleth for something he deserves being criticized for?
>>712641701In her B support with Byleth (which unlocks only after Jeralt dies) she makes the death about her
Personally I think she's overhated. She apologises for it later in her A rank support
>>712639214 (OP)She looks like she fucks mages
>>712639214 (OP)built for my dad
>>712642207>she makes the death about herNah, what she does is criticize Byleth for not appreciating Jeralt at all when she knows first hand about his virtues.
>>712642662But Byleth did appreciate Jeralt, the devs even made her make a sad face during free weeks
>>712643150To be fair, prior to chapter 6 Byleth was incapable of expressing emotion. So by the time Byleth was able to express how she felt about Jeralt, he was gone
>>712642662That support was so poorly timed.
Also, Leonie wants to engage with Byleth, so part of the tension is because she's lusting for him.
>>712643561That support really should've been unlocked after chapter 10 when Byleth transforms. Right when everyone is somewhat uncomfortable with the way Byleth looks and is uncertain if they're even human
>>712643752[Insert joke of Leonie using Byleth as a stand in for Jeralt]
Leonie is simply the best
>>712644152>Imouto handpicked by Jeralt for (you)Imagine not marrying her desu.
>>712639808Everyone looks so bad after the timeskip. What were they thinking!?
>>712644263She should have just been your childhood friend you knew for a month when little instead of the contrived scenario we got in game. It wouldnโt have even tilled the scales all that much in her favor given how unpopular she is
>>712639721Its so hilariously obvious she is head over heels obsessed with Jeralt, you'd have to be drugged drunk unconscious deaf or blind not to notice it.
>>712644845I can see the logic. The Adrestian students all have noble finery. With the exception of Caspar who wears mostly armor. The Faerghan students all wear either armor, leathers, or winter clothing. More about function than form even if there's still over the top anime elements to them. And the Leicester students are a mish mash of colors and styles. Given the fact that Leicester is a patchwork of regions who's only common ground is their flag, it fits
>>712647034Why does Leonie keep volunteering to go into the sauna with me?
>>712644845I love the post-timeskip designs. It's just your impression.
>>712645421>She just wants to fuck your dad>Settles for (you)Not marriage material. Pump and dump and marry Marianne.
>>712639214 (OP)Fire emblem art got so fucking ugly. They look like 3D models instead of drawn portraits and have these uncanny, vacant stares. As shit as awakening/Fates art was at least it wasn't this bad. Dead series.
>>712639214 (OP)In my first Maddening NG run I made her a Pegapony while training Bows and by the endgame she could use The Inexhaustable.
It created a high I have yet to reach again.
>>712649863Are we the same person? I did that in my maddening GD NG+ run. Although I think that was my 2nd maddening run and all my future ones would be on a fresh save
>>712639808a guy with long hair
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Best girls:
>leonie
>petra
>ingrid
>fuhrer edelgard
I remember making my first Leonie a bow knight and abusing the insane range the class has. Granted, Maddening didn't exist back then so you could break the game even by doing extremely dumb shit, but it was fun for a first run.
Micaiah is great and you should apologize to her
>>712651621She dresses like that on purpose to get that kind of attention. Notice how she's smiling while reprimanding the student for paying attention to her body instead of the subject.
I would pump her full of retarded autistic children.
>>712648051>still no Summer Lysithea>now also waiting on Baldr, Heimdall, and KvasirHand them over, IS.
>>712652305>Lysithea (Child)Imagine the self hatred
>>712652475The only 3H seasonals that were NOT the kid versions were Winter Dorothea and Winter Annette, who were instead their Hopes versions.
Which is fucking hilarious, because the versions that won every CYL spot were the post-timeskip adult versions.
>>712653043Make your own thread faggot
>>712652475The lolified my fucking loli. Can't have shit in Askr
>>712652591I wonder why she gets away with the shit she pulls while Leonie gets flack for justifiably getting mad sometimes. Lysithea's support with Ignatz has her be a complete bitch to him, for instance.
>>712652591>Gives you diabetes>Promises to be your wife forever>DiesI hate Lysithea.
I'm more of an Ingrid guy
>>712654009>Talks in 3rd personThat's not fixing her...
>>712653897you bought her too many cakes
>>712650536Why do these WHORES keep wearing such lewd attire to their own weddings
shame that her game is absolute dogshit and one of the most boring things ive ever played
>>7126544523H is a love letter to the games before Awakening though. Sometimes you need a one unit per tile FE
>>712653876Lysithia is cute while Leonie looks like a man. Hope this helps!
>>712653876Lysithea is a bratty highschool freshman.
Leonie is like 20 and acts like a cunt to you at your lowest point. The only other character in the game that does that is Edelgard, the literal antagonist.
Even fucking Hubert was nice to you after that, and Hubert killed his OWN dad!
>>712654769>Leonie is like 20 and acts like a cunt to you at your lowest pointShe was just shittesting you
>>712655189this and most people failed. i'll take the sexy redheaded tomboy who grows her hair out for (me)
>>712651462>when they imagine the smell
>>712655189>>712655296Okay cool, she can either be my army's dancer, or if Marianne offers to be the dancer, then Leonie gets to shovel horse poop for a year.
>>712653876Lysithea is an actual example of the sad backstory buff that most of the cast is accused of abusing. Because Lysithea knows she's going to die very soon, it makes her have an almost deranged obsession with being mature and seen as a grown up. She's hard on herself as much as she's hard on everyone else. She likes candy and teddy bears and shit but she'll deny herself that in order to be seen as more mature than she actually is. Which ironically is a sign of how immature she is.
Why do I bring all that up? Because Lysithea being a straight up cunt to her classmates gets excused because of her circumstances. Versus Leonie who's biggest challenge is escaping school debt. Yeah Lysithea is a bitch but... she has magic cancer. And you wouldn't pick on a kid with cancer would you?
>>712655440>trannyanneshe can kill herself over the skip
>>712654568>a love letter to these games that plays nothing like these games
>>712655642>that plays nothing like these gamescitation needed
>>712654769>Oh noes, Leonie criticizes Byleth! What a cunt!Meanwhile,
>Lysithea goes out of her way to insult Ignatz as much as possible in her first two supports>Edelgard tells Byleth to suck it up when your dad just died>Claude immediately wants your dad's journal after he dies and will steal it if you say no>Dimitri repeatadly threatens Byleth and acts like a moody bitch towards him for a good part of the timeskip>Sylvain straight up threatens Byleth for daring to be born with a crest and not suffering enough due to it, seriously what the fuck
>>712655631No way in hell I willingly recruited Leonie.
If I have Leonie, it's because I picked Golden Deer, in which case I have Marianne too.
>>712647763Reminder that jeralt dressed his daughter this way.
>>712655790What pre-Awakening game does it play like? Was it the one where you feed your students, uh units, pudding in order to raise their weapon ranks? The one that recycles its own maps? Or the one where any unit can wield any weapon in any class?
I honestly find your statement to be absurd. It plays exactly a stereotypical Nu Emblem game loaded with skills, reclassing, and customization options - just a bad one.
>>712655987Femeleth isn't canon. Byleth is a man.
>>712655814I like the idea that Sylvain is trying to communicate but he really misses the mark what with you being a child soldier
Our glorious empress (who did nothing wrong).
>>712643245Based.
>>712656369Sylvain has far more in common with Dorothea than I hear about. Because both of them make wild assumptions that they use to justify their shitty behavior. The difference being one is concerning crests and the other is concerning nobility.
>>712655814>>Dimitri repeatadly threatens Byleth and acts like a moody bitch towards him for a good part of the timeskipLet's be fair with Dimitri, he had spent the last five years living like a dog on the run. He wasn't exactly in a good mental state to say the least.
>>712656891He also explicitly says that distrusts his own allies since half of Faerghus threw in their lot with the Empire after he was framed for murder. So it's not like he doesn't have a reason to be wary of even his own army.
>>712656891All I'm saying is that Leonie doesn't deserve to be singled out as a cunt for simply criticizing Byleth for things he deserves to be criticized for.
Hell, we should also be fairer to her, her mentor just died and assigned her to protect his son, while the son barely saw him as a father. She is right to be mad, but she takes it a step further and tries to reconcile not once, but twice with the son despite that.
>>712639214 (OP)She's cute, but I have all my trust in women completely eroded after how the legal system allows them to ruin the life of any man they hate, or just a random gay dude who just was shopping at the same supermarket than her and she decided to accuse him of "touching" her (this is a real court case here)
>>712639214 (OP)I don't see the appeal. She's boring and her pre-time skip haircut is ugly as hell.
>>712657607I will agree with your overall sentiment. I think Leonie gets criticized far too harshly for saying something that she herself admits was something she said in emotional distress and she came to regret after it was said and done. Leonie isn't really a bad person, at worst she's over competitive. There are far worse than her in the academy.
That said her assessment of Byleth not caring for Jeralt is wrong. Byleth did care but they were unable to express it due to circumstances outside of their control. But Leonie doesn't know that so she threw an unfair criticism at Byleth right after they'd gained the ability to feel it
>>712643245Do you think Mariannes crest influences her ferocity in bed at night?
Sex feral Marianne would unironically be the greatest thing ever in FE.
>>712659114It has no actual effect on her, but she might think it does if you convince her.
>>712653897You can cure her if you possess majestic divine dragon cock.......or a filthy barbarian sand nigger one.
>>712659161I won't believe that until I make her gaze into a fullmoon at night, if nothing happens then I'll believe it.
Anyone want to take chapter 12 of conquest?
Here's the save https://files.catbox.moe/iqz55b
>>712639808Leonie is noble tier rapemeat and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. Realistically any noble who would see a peasant as good looking as her walking around while unbred, would immediately rape and sire a bastard inside her and then abandon her to live as a single mom.
>>712659529Relays are dead. Bury them. Consider this mercy.
>>712660056No they aren't we've already relayed to chapter 12.
>>712660419Passing a baton to yourself isn't relaying it
>>712659114Her crest does raise weapon attack power.
>>712660012>noble tierlol lmao
That would only apply to pale-skinned dancer women like Shamir or Marianne. I don't think anyone in any support ever said she was pretty, except maybe Hilda in Hopes.
>>712656075I was talking moreso about the actual combat on the maps than the peripherals
>>712661090I didn't mean that she is a noble or as pretty as a noble retard. I meant that she is made for rape by nobles, being a good looking peasant of all things.
Also Marianne isn't a dancer, and no your gacha shit doesn't count.
>>712661493>I meant that she is made for rape by noblesI know, which was why I mentioned Shamir, whose paralogue in Hopes is about how a noble actually wants to kidnap and rape her.
Marianne is also canonically a dancer, no matter how much you cry. Even before Heroes, she had multiple Dancer cards in Cipher.
>>712661458Actual combat as in AoE gambits, battalions that can give you as much as +10 atk or +5 movement or distant counter, and combat arts that trivialize a lot of combat?
>>712662065Those would be the differences. The rest is the same though.
>>712660797The side effects of each crest aren't listed out so unless explicit information is given then you kind of have to headcanon it. For example the Crest of Blaiddyd's effect is that it can double the power of a combat art at twice the durability cost. In universe that translates to Dimitri swinging his weapons so hard that they shatter on impact. Saint Cethleann is lauded as the greatest healer in the War of Heroes, therefore the Crest of Cethleann increases the effectiveness of healing magic. But some of them don't match their in game effect at all. Catherine theorizes that the Crest of Charon summons thunderstorms. But in game? It raises the might of combat arts...cool.
So where does sex crazed Marianne come from? Well when you fight Maurice during her paralogue he mentions how his blood is driving him insane and he reverts to a feral state. If you say that's a side effect of his Crest then the same or similar should apply to Marianne. Except instead of just making her hit harder in combat, she just because a crazy nympho based on my research on gelbooru.
>>712661493In-universe Leonie is considered unattractive. I guess we the audience just canโt see it through the anime filter.
>>712662209Is your criteria for love letter just the grid-based movement??? Then can't I say Awakening plays the same as old FEs but the only difference is pair up? You don't seem to understand how drastic these differences are.
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I love Petra
>>712662290>gloomy catholic girl grows up to be a breeding dancer womanImpressive.
>>712662461Lifetime coomer Sylvain Jose Gautier actually confuses part 1 Leonie to be a guy
>Leonie: You chat up all the girls like that, don't you?>Sylvain: What a terrible thing to say! I see a girl, I figure it would be rude to just pass her by without at least a wink... or a nice word. But you knew that. So I'm going to get going now. See ya, Leonie.>Leonie: Now, hold on! How come it's not rude for you to just pass me by?!>Sylvain: Me? Pass who now?>Leonie: Look at me! I'm a girl, you know!>Sylvain: Uh... Oh, I see. A girl. You're... a girl. Huh. Sorry, I know it's true in theory, but it looks like my brain just didn't want to accept it. But you're correct. You are a beautiful girl in your own right. Yes. That is a statement with which I agree.
>>712662715Don't succumb to your Crest Marianne! You're not an animal! You're better than that!
>>712662836But what if her husband asks her to do it?
And her husband is also the vessel of the goddess?
>>712661887Your spin off gacha and TCG don't count. Stop coping, Marianne is a pure, shy and devout girl. She isn't a dancing promiscuous whore like Dorothea.
>>712662950I feel like the Archbishop of Seiros wouldn't knowingly push his wife to indulge in her basest impulses just for gratification... right?
>>712663131Oh right, out of house recruitment. So then yeah Sylvain, who's such a degenerate that he's tried to flirt with scarecrows and even Ingrid's grandmother, couldn't tell that Leonie is a girl. It's just the anime artstyle that makes her look more feminine than she actually is
How did they fuck up so much with Engage after the huge succes of 3H?
>>712663374The removed paired endings. Yes, it's that simple.
>>712663374>filters personatardsi don't see the problem?
>>712663136He prepped her for it back in highschool.
>>712663374>>712663420>simplified characters back down to one anime trait>removed paired endings for everyone but Alear, so all shipping is dead>some of the dumbest villains ever in FE, but also the ones with the most screentime>evil Veyle is better, but you can't recruit her>everyone looks like they're celebrating mardi gras
>>712663374The common refrain is that gameplay and story rest on a sliding scale. And that the gameplay got more of the cookies while they didn't care about the narrative. And based on the interviews I've read I do not believe that. In fact some of the things they said in those interviews are fucking baffling. Apparently when they hired Mika Pikazo as Engage's artist, they asked her to draw like 50 character designs with absolutely no context for what those characters were for. They just asked her to generate a bunch of anime characters with swords and shit.
>>712663721>>simplified characters back down to one anime traitBut enough about 3H
>>712663824Most 3H students can be described by combining multiple Engage characters together. Like Ingrid is everything about Chloe, but more. She's like a combo of Chloe and Jade.
>>712663824Every 3H character had 3 traits though
>their traumatic backstory>their autistic fixation>and their mental illness
>>712663136>His MC is the Archbishop>He played Yaoi LionsEmbarrassing
>>712663721>simplified characters back down to one anime traitdid people forget about caspar, bernadetta, linhardt, petra... good god black eagles fucking sucked
>>712663939Yeah it's more of a "le sad backstory" slapped onto an either boring or one-note character. With the added bonus of characters betraying their families and countries because they think they might get laid or some shit
>>712664101Caspar is two traits. He enjoys fighting, and likes his sense of freedom due to his lack of inheritance.
Linhardt is a sleepy boi like you'd expect from an Engage character, but he's also still a researcher.
Petra is Timerra without being annoying, so that's already a plus.
Bernadetta I'll give you. She's just a fucking Fates character. Even Caspar was still an aspect of Fodlan's political culture, being the son who enjoys not having responsibility.
>>712663721Ok. But WHY did they do all those things? Especially after they saw the sales of 3H?
>>712664489They made Engage at the same time as they outsourced 3H to Koei Tecmo. Engage was supposed to come out in April of 2020, not even a full year after 3H.
They genuinely thought they were making Awakening 2. They even said as much in interviews. Nami Komuro is just a poison to writing.
>>712663939Well or their connection to their home location. Raphael is probably the least interesting character in that game. I don't care for Raphael. However the story of how his parents were killed points to bigger implications to the grander narrative. Oswald Reigen hired Raphael's parents to appraise some art at long time rival Erwin Gloucester's estate but never made it there because they were eaten by wolves. Which would just be unfortunate in a vacuum except it kept happening and only within Reigen territory. There was a suspicion that Erwin Gloucester had something to do with it before those suspicions were dismissed because there's no possible way Erwin would be that stupid to just kill his biggest rival. The implication being that the mole rats attempted to cause discord within Leicester the same way they did within Adrestia and Faerghus. The problem being Leicester are a hodgepodge of self serving assholes who don't care about plight of their neighbors (insert Lysithea and House Ordelia here) and so there was no major conflict. No Insurrection of the Seven or Tragedy of Duscur for Leicester. Therefore even though I think Raphael is worthless, his story does have some value. Even if only a little
>>712664648>awakening I miss carefully planning who to marry to whom for the sole purpose of crating super soldier kids.
>>712664381I think what you said about Caspar and Linhardt can be applied to a lot of Engage characters, just substitute the names and traits around.
For Petra, I just think outside her misunderstanding of Japanglish, she doesn't have anything else to her. Not that I think Timerra is interesting either.
>>712664789Boy do I have a game for you
>>712664905Stop embarassing yourself, obviously i played Fates too.
>>712664863>I think what you said about Caspar and Linhardt can be applied to a lot of Engage characters, just substitute the names and traits around.Sure, but I think you're agree that Caspar and Linhardt fall on the very low end of 3H characters. So that means that most of Engage's cast are Caspar-tier, which is a very bad sign for Engage.
>>712663824I do think 3H characters are a bit overrated but man, are you really going to act like they're worse than the Fateswakening cast that precedes them? I'm not sure Fates has a single good character in it.
>>712665074NTA but I'd argue that for a more story and character-focused game like 3H there should be a considerably higher standard. I think you'd be surprised how many 3H characters fall into the same range as your "low end"
>>712665206Does Laslow just betray Nohr for Hoshido because he saw a cute girl?
>>712665441>I think you'd be surprised how many 3H characters fall into the same range as your "low end"Once again: the "low end" here is the norm for Engage.
Caspar and Linhardt are still at least INVOLVED in the political conflicts of Fodlan, particularly in Hopes. Compare that to Chloe, who just eats food.
Ask yourself this: Chloe is a major noble in Firene, but chose to become Celine's knight instead. If Celine died in a classic run, WHO would Chloe work for? Apparently she just picks Alear because of the game's mechanics, but why would she not be reassigned to work for Alfred? Why would she not be immediately lost as a unit, since she needs to go back and defend the recently-kidnapped Queen of Firene, who obviously needs more knights?
Who the fuck is Chloe?
>>712665651>If Celine died in a classic run, WHO would Chloe work for?I'm pretty sure that the nobles can't actually die in Engage. They just "retreat" and are out of commission for the remainder of the game.
>>712665651>If Celine died in a classic run, WHO would Chloe work for? Apparently she just picks Alear because of the game's mechanics, but why would she not be reassigned to work for Alfred? Why would she not be immediately lost as a unit, since she needs to go back and defend the recently-kidnapped Queen of Firene, who obviously needs more knights?Saying this is pretty hypocritical when 99% of 3H's cast becomes a traitor and defects from their country's army to visit their presumably dead teacher's old school.
>>712665441>Does Laslow just betray Nohr for Hoshido because he saw a cute girl?I will 50% cosign on this criticism. A criticism I personally have about 3H is how frontloaded it is. Unlike other FEs, 3H starts you with the majority of your army and you have to grind away to recruit the rest to fill out your ranks. So I can understand that KT would want the majority of the students to be recruitable. But something that they at least partially recognized during Houses and more clearly recognized during Hopes is that certain characters kind of have attachments to their homes and that they'd need really good reasons to betray their friends and family.
I commonly see people justify Felix joining the Empire because that's a scenario where his hatred of Faerghan chivalry won out and he lost hope in Dimitri. I personally think that's stupid for several reasons but it is at least a reason. What's not a good reason is Ingrid making a decision to kill her friends and family and throw her sense of chivalry, a core belief that she bases her grief towards Glenn on, into the mud because she decides her devotion to Byleth, whom she's known for less than a year, now takes precedence over everything she's ever known and love her entire life. That is fucking ridiculous and it kind of stains the entire recruitment system. Just like with most things in 3H, it's an example of how too many options can be a bad thing.
>>712665796>I'm pretty sure that the nobles can't actually die in Engage.I believe the minor nobles can. Dunno about Alcryst.
>>712665829>when 99% of 3H's cast becomes a traitor Nah, because 100% of Engage's playable cast does everything and worse. You as a player can choose to not recruit Sylvain when not playing BL, but the game just kinda shoves everyone on you in Engage.
Alear even tries to recruit Zephia and Griss, because loyalty is irrelevant when you have Komuro plot armor.
>>712665651>Who the fuck is Chloe?Chloe is a character from Fire Emblem Engage.She isa royal knight of Firene and retainer to Princess Cรฉline.She is from a noble family but chose to pursue a knightly lifestyle inspired by fairy tales.She is known for her love of picturesque scenes and savory delicacies.Chloe joins the player's party in chapter 4.
>>712666431>Nah, because 100% of Engage's playable cast does everything and worseThat just... isn't true?
> You as a player can choose to not recruit Sylvain when not playing BLThat doesn't change the fact that he's willing to join you with no hesitation despite that completely ruining any possibility of being considered a serious character.
>>712666431Minor nobles can die. So Alfred, Diamant, Ivy, and Timerra will retreat. While Celine, Alcryst, Hortensia, and Fogado can become maggot food
>>712662752The Japanese can be pretty androgynous which is why itโs such a reoccurring trope in their media. Take Naoto for instance which even has a female voice actor pulling off a convincing little Japanese boy voice. Or Faris from Final Fantasy V where they think sheโs a guy until they accidentally see sheโs stacked. The Japanese believe even a man can be pretty, even if youโre not into them still.
>>712666245>too many options can be a bad thing.This is really the core of most issues with Awakening onward Fire Emblem. Both in gameplay and in narratives, they need to fucking scale back the agency we have. Old Fire Emblem characters had so little opportunity for characterization compared to modern ones and they used it so well when the most you'd get out of a lot of them was in optional, obnoxious to grind for support conversations. Open ended mechanics kills mechanical identity and the need to make every character available in multiple ways kills characterization identity. It's fine to have class customization and dating sim elements but they need to just make some things impossible.
>>712666762>we need simple baby shit that no one buysnah
>>712663276He actually hit on a man he thought was a woman in the Japanese script, not a scarecrow
>>712654009give me the source
>>712662290Marianneโs crest actually turns her into a demonic beast but it was cut from the game.
>>712666576Congrats, you also just described about 1/3rd of Ingrid's character, too.
>>712666634>That just... isn't true?I'd say "go play Engage," but I'd recommend against it.
>That doesn't change the fact that he's willing to join you with no hesitationHe only doesn't hesitate if you play as the hottest woman in Fodlan. Otherwise, you need a B-support, the highest you can get it at that point, and become his trusted friend.
>>712667005>>Otherwise, you need a B-support, the highest you can get it at that point, and become his trusted friend.>Every person in fodlan will betray their home after 2 conversations
>>712666980>Marianneโs crest actually turns her into a demonic beast.In bed
>>712666893>a manTo be fair, it was Yuri when Yuri was like 12.
>>712666980Do you have a source for that?
>>712667083In fairness, those "two conversations" are supposed to be after at least two months of using that character as one of those supplementary loaner units, eating with them, and having a favorable classroom.
It's not presented well, but that's what it is.
Meanwhile, Jean's parents will just let their 10 year old son go to war willingly.
>>712667005>I'd say "go play Engage," but I'd recommend against it.I just don't understand what you're getting at. Most characters don't do anything morally questionable. Like, can you give me any examples apart from the obvious ones in the four hounds?
>He only doesn't hesitate if you play as the hottest woman in FodlanLol ok dude
>>712667083Let's no get carried away now. Obviously at B support the implication is that there's a deeper level of trust over time just shy of a lifetime bond. Unless we're also arguing that these people can fall in love after 3 conversations
>>712666762Wyvern Emblem is a meme but just like most memes it is rooted in a truth. There's just too many ways to totally break 3H and it doesn't take all that much effort. Budding Talents is just not enough because it's exceedingly rare that they will dictate what you do or don't do with a character. Ironically it's the Mages who have the most identity because each one has a built in spell list that cannot be changed. So the ones with Warp instantly become valuable by default. Except Manuela. Fuck Manuela
>>712667102I don't blame him for confusing Yuri for a girl. In fact I also couldn't tell if he was a boy or a girl when he was first revealed.
>>712667005>Otherwise, you need a B-support, the highest you can get it at that point, and become his trusted friend.That's a big problem when every character will betray their homeland just because they got groomed by their school teacher. It's not like even reaching B or even A-support fundamentally changes that character's entire personality to the point of willing to burn down their former homeland.
>>712639214 (OP)Second worst girl of this game.
>>712667361>Most characters don't do anything morally questionable. Like, can you give me any examples apart from the obvious ones in the four hounds?Diamant and Alcryst (and their retainers) are from a nation that invades and slaughters civilians.
Saphy in particular is a veteran at doing this.
Alear also just conscripts Jean and Anna, who are both like 10.
>>712667407>There's just too many ways to totally break 3H and it doesn't take all that much effortThe most notable is leveling Faith/Armor for Armors/Mages and getting like +7 Res/Def to their base stats at level 5. And D rank takes a month to get to
>>712667340>Meanwhile, Jean's parents will just let their 10 year old son go to war willingly.Bro, 90% of FE parents and non parents let their sons and daughters go to war since ever...
Why you 3Hfags always act as if 3H was the first game of the franchise?
>>712667684>tfw Leonie was the redhead unit, and not Klownpussi
>>712665796>>712667361All little siblings die if you kill them after they stop getting screentime.
Like Alkryst only dies if you kill him after chapter 11 which is his last story segment.
>>712667735>Lysithea can jump from 3 DEF to 12 DEF in a single chapter with a single intermediate seal>an intermediate seal, with the value of 1000G, can hold the value of 5 Dracoshields... but you get to keep your Dracoshields after promotion
>>712667769>Bro, 90% of FE parents and non parents let their sons and daughters go to war since ever...No, parents are usually dead. Who are you kidding?
>>712667702>Diamant and Alcryst (and their retainers) are from a nation that invades and slaughters civilians.Brodia is at war with Elusia because Elusia worships the Fell Dragon, which they were clearly correct to be concerned with judging by the events of the game lmao. And neither Diamant nor Alcryst made these decisions - their dad was still king. I sincerely doubt Alcryst or Diamant slaughtered any civilians unless you have some proof of that.
>Alear also just conscripts Jean and Anna, who are both like 10Kinda stupid, sure, but same can be said about recruiting Cyril in 3H
>>712668048Roy's dad is alive
>>712668119>Brodia is at war with Elusia because Elusia worships the Fell DragonThat's factually incorrect. Elusia turned to Fell Dragon worship BECAUSE Brodia had been sacking them for centuries. (No, Engage never really answers why Lumera never did anything)
>>712668262So you're saying the current Brodian royals are somehow responsible for the war that started prior to them being born?
>>712668143I think the fact you had to search for a lord with a living father really emphasizes my point.
Even ones like Byleth or Lilina have their dad alive for the purpose of them dying for dramatic effect.
>>712668336No, he said that Elusia worshipped the Fell Dragon because they were getting slaughtered for centuries and Lumera did nothing to help them
>>712668048You have Donnel, Marisha, Ryan.
Not sure if Clarine's parents are dead.
>>712668448this sounds like it'd be a really interesting plot point if it ever got proper focus.
>>712668476>You have Donnel, Marisha, Ryan.... and Marth, and Alm, and Celica, and Sigurd, and Seliph, and Leif, and Lyn, and Eliwood, and Hector, and Eirika, and...
>>712668448Again, even supposing someone clearly as biased and deceitful as Hyacinth is being truthful about the historical state of the hostilities, I don't really see how this reflects poorly on the Engage cast, who again, do not rule their respective kingdoms.
>>712668476Pent and Louise are both alive in FE6, they just couldn't be bothered to help out.
>>712668048Didn't know that Pent and Louise were dead during FE6.
Or Rebecca's parents.
Or Garcia and Brom.
And though I still haven't reach the time-skip in FE4, I seriously doubt that ALL the parents die during it...
>>712667789Did this girl live in that musou game?
>>712667478I like pairing him with Constance because it reminds me of Pent and Louise
>>712663104NTA but Sothis was a dancer in the unused NPC data, the gambit is called dance of the goddess, and even Rhea describes dance as a gift from Sothis. If anything being a dancer helps her get closer to Sothis. Also shy girl winning such a contest is soulful.
>>712668336Not responsible FOR it, but they do partake in it. Think about it, Diamant is a combat veteran, but there are no bandits in Brodia, and their other neighboring country (Firene) they've been at peace with for 1,000 years. So WHERE did Diamant fight? Probably that war that his nation has been instigating for a millennia.
On top of that, we have characters like Goldmary whose backstory was that her home was razed by Brodians for no reason, despite it just being a country hot spring town. Diamant probably wasn't there, but you bet your ass that Morion and Saphir were. Citrine's family is also wealthy because of the money they make from the war mining metals, and selling the jewels they find on the side.
>>712668029It was fun doing that in a way. That plus the free boosters from the garden every chapter...
>>712668739I know your shitposting but yeah there are living parents, Pent/louise are confirmed to be alive in FE6 but they just don't get involved.
A surprising amount of people survive in FE4 as well, half of the mom's live and if Finn is a dad, he's alive.
>>712668739Once again, the fact that you have to name exceptions proves the rule. It's far easier to name living parents than dead ones, because there are less living parents.
>>712668739>And though I still haven't reach the time-skip in FE4, I seriously doubt that ALL the parents die during it...Most of the mothers live for at least a while following the conclusion of Sigurd's tale. The fathers all die save *technically* Lewyn, who... well... you'll find out
>>712668987So Diamant is fighting in an ongoing war as crown prince? Ok? What is he supposed to do, overthrow the king and try to establish peace? You're being really uncharitable in your interpretation of his character.
>>712669373>What is he supposed to do, overthrow the king and try to establish peace?Tell his dad to not kill civilians.
>>712663420Paired endings are one of the most fun things in FE unironically.
>>712663473Kill yourself. Persona is a game for retarded childen that want harems. FE is traditional and eugenic. I want to know that my entire army has married and given birth.
>>712669672>I want to know that my entire army has married and given birthUnironically why the endings of the first several games made pairings clear even without supports, FE is a game about making sure all your favorite ships make it to the end.
>>712669417I think you need to take a step back and look at the state of your overall argument. You're arguing that Diamant *not* overthrowing his father to stop a war is somehow just as bad or worse as 3H characters betraying their country at the prospect of pussy. And this was the example in Engage of your own choosing.
>>712669983>Diamant partaking in the slaughter of civilians is worse than some minor noble like Sylvain joining BylethYeah.
>>712668739Aideen is LITERALLY just chilling in the home castle in the first chapter of FE4 gen 2. Like โok kids, have fun fighting in war, donโt forget to pack some band-aids!โ
>>712669417Okay so I'm not the anon you're arguing with, that's not fair
>Diamant: Of course. Tag makes for good training. So... Is this about that letter from the nobles?>Citrinne: Indeed. They're eager for a response. I've been sent here to ask you directly about your stance on future military campaigns. These nobles are acquaintances of my family. As a noble myself, I can't ignore their demands.>Diamant: ...>Citrinne: Diamant, don't send me back empty-handed. I don't have the energy for tag anymore.>Diamant: War is profitable. The nobility is expecting to line their pockets for years to come. I, on the other hand, do not intend to wage any wars during my reign as king.>Citrinne: I'm so glad to hear that. The nobles won't like it, but you can leave them to me.>Diamant: Sorry to make you the messenger.>Citrinne: It's fine. I'll take this over the diplomatic battles you must survive in the royal court any day.It's not just King Morian. The nobles of Brodia are also invested in these wars. Citrinne has to limit her time with Diamant, who is her cousin by the way, to avoid the perception of collusion with the crown. Morian couldn't just say "stop." To do so would be to go to war with his own nobility for the sake of Elusia.
>>712670176>>Diamant partaking in the slaughter of civiliansThere's zero proof of this thoughever. In fact it would completely go against his established character.
>>712670353>It's not just King Morian. The nobles of Brodia are also invested in these wars.I never said otherwise. The entire country wants war.
Diamant could stop it the second his dad died, but he chose not to. So for the entire duration of chapters 9 through 25, he lets the nobles of Brodia do whatever they want.
What a great guy!
>>712666634>That doesn't change the fact that he's willing to join you with no hesitation despite that completely ruining any possibility of being considered a serious character.I don't think the 3H characters make that much sense outside of their own "canon" routes, with very few exceptions. It's just the nature of the game, they spent so much with the recruitment system and school part of the setting that they made very little route-specific characters and route-based restrictions.
Ffs, Edelgard in her route can't even recruit most of her imperial soldiers. It's ridiculous.
>>712670426>There's zero proof of this thoughever.Tell me again, anon. WHERE did Diamant fight before joining Alear?
Which war was it in, again? Was it against Solm? Firene? Gradlon?
>>712670536>Diamant could stop it the second his dad died, but he chose not to.I think that might have to do with needing to defeat the literal antichrist first
>>712670536Then he goes to war with his own nobility. While the war against Sombron is still ongoing. Just setting a torch to Brodia would take less effort and cost less lives
>>712670176>>712670568Sylvain doesn't even need much convincing considering he's not a fan of his family and in GD he isn't even betraying his house, he's joining up with the one resistance to the empire left since the kingdom fell.
I can try to make up devil advocate arguments for other characters if you want, just for fun, but note a lot of them are going to sound very similar to each other.
>>712670353It kills me that Engage has so much of this "tell don't show" shit, we never actually get to see all these douchebag minor nobles so it deflates a lot of interesting talking points and plot threads.
Engage has all the ingredients needed for a fun setting but wastes them, it's upsetting.
>>712670626>I think that might have to do with needing to defeat the literal antichrist firstDamn, sure would be a good idea for Diamant to then go back to Brodia and use his well-armed military (from all the Elusian civilian raids) to go and fight the antichrist, then!
Oh wait nope, he lets them keep killing civilians while he goes of with his brother and their four retainers. Oopsie!
>>712670714>Engage has all the ingredients needed for a fun setting but wastes them, it's upsetting.That's a pretty succinct summation of my feelings towards Engage's narrative
>>712670739You're being an annoying faggot just making up shit to complain about now. Fuck off and accept that the 3H recruitment system is just straight up character assassination for gameplay purposes.
>>712670714I'm not saying it's impossible to play devil's advocate and find reasons for characters to ditch their own route, but that these characters are often worse characters when they do, or their behavior makes very little sense.
The only student characters who are route restricted are the retainers of the lords (Dedue, Hubert)...but that's not even true for Hilda, for some reason. And the only route specific characters are what, Gilbert and Jeritza?
If every route had it's specific, sizeable cast of characters, the game would be a lot better for it.
>>712670924>just making up shitAnon, tell me why Diamant didn't use his literal army to go fight Sombron.
Why did Saphir use a paddle-boat to go to Elusia by herself? Brodia FINALLY had a justified reason to invade Elusia. WHY did Diamant not send his army to fight them?
>>712670989>If every route had it's specific, sizeable cast of characters, the game would be a lot better for it.Yeah, that's what Hopes does, and it's why it's also better than Engage.
>>712671021>Why did Saphir use a paddle-boat to go to Elusia by herself?Why was she even there? I cannot remember lol
>>712671021>Anon, tell me why Diamant didn't use his literal army to go fight Sombron.Because they needed to collect the rest of the rings to stand a chance against Sombron, and those were in Solm
>>712671021For the same reason Firene and Solm don't do the same. Because Engage's mechanics don't allow for it. The same reason why it doesn't make sense for Raphael to attack Leicester knowing his beloved sister is there but he'll still do it if recruited to the Empire
>>712670989That is very true, infact I like how in Hopes its far more restrictive on who joins which route, in fact a chunk of these are just "join me or you die".
Hell when I play Houses I refuse to recruit people that can't join you on that route in Hopes because i have autism.
>>712671181>Because they needed to collect the rest of the rings to stand a chance against Sombron, and those were in SolmSure would be cool if Diamant brought like a few ships with them to Solm, to get those rings.
Instead of, like, having to save the queen from four hounds and an emblem using twelve people.
It'd be nice to have an army. I heard Brodia has one. We should go ask its prince to lend Diamant a few troops!
>>712671224I didn't play Hopes yet. I'm waiting for the inevitable day an autist makes a 3H mod with 3 Hopes story.
It will happen, r-right?
>>712671224An interesting thing is that Ashe can choose to join the Empire with the logic that he's choosing to stick with his father Lonato over his classmates. He's fucking miserable. I think at one point he wishes for death because he's so full of regret.
>>712671371>I didn't play Hopes yet.Not him, but as a reference to you and anyone else, Hopes doesn't let you recruit willy-nilly. You get one chance to recruit certain specific characters per route, and it costs like 1/3rd of your stratagem points per recruitment. So recruiting some units also makes a chapter harder.
>>712671371Honestly considering the only people romhacking 3H are trannies that hate Hopes because edelgard gets mindraped, i doubt it.
>>712671393Ashe is also one of the only lions(if not the only one) that will join the empire, as a result he has very little in the term of supports in that route and as you said, just spends the second half wishing he could've betrayed Lonato.
It makes his character feel much more real.
As a side note, Petra has no life for the empire and is the only character that approves of Claude's backstabbing shit because "all is fair where i'm from" she's really based on the Lion's route as well.
>>712671370You're just being a nitpicking faggot now. There could be any number of reasons that this wasn't an option - you can't expect literally every decision they make to be explained in minute detail. This argument was about established characterization, not an infinite number of "what if" scenarios to obfuscate the obvious fact that there are no Sylvain-level flubs in Engage's main cast.
>>712671224>when I play Houses I refuse to recruit people that can't join you on that route in Hopes because i have autism.Still not perfect, since it is supremely retarded that you canโt make Leonie join you if youโre a Blue Lion.
>>712671735>You're just being a nitpicking faggot now.That's not a nitpick. Brodia is the nation of war. They have an army. In any other FE game, Brodia would be the red army you fight.
Why the fuck is that army not backing up the princes?
>>712671958>They have an armyYeah, an army that can die and be revived by Sombron to fight on the other side lol. They obviously needed the rings first and foremost if they wanted any chance against the fell dragon
>>712671638Well the thing I appreciate is that his betrayal is rooted in his own history. I harp on Ingrid's betrayal being stupid because the source of it is Byleth, whom she's known for a few months. Ashe's betrayal is rooted in his loyalty to Lonato, his adoptive father. Ashe loves Lonato. He joined the academy explicitly because he wanted to be like Lonato. But just like in Houses, Ashe didn't realize that his values and Lonato's values had diverged the second Christophe was executed. Lonato is in this game for revenge against the Church that killed his son for a crime he didn't commit. And he's willing to work with any group that gets him that. But Ashe is still pure. He wants to be a virtuous hero, like the stories he read. If he betrays the Lions to stick with his father, he finds out that he betrayed all of his personal values the hard way and there's no way to turn back now. It's a terrible decision that's still in character because he doesn't harbor any belief that he did the right thing. He's miserable. He hates every day he wakes up to. But he already made his choice
>>712672089>Yeah, an army that can die and be revived by Sombron to fight on the other side lol.Which never actually happens, hilariously. So they should have just gone in there and fought. Maybe they can even find the lost Brodian prince, while they're at it!
As always, the only thing I get from these "3H vs Engage" discussions is that I should play Hopes
>>712672282>Which never actually happens, hilariously.Ah, yes. Because Morion famously dies in his battle with the Elusian army and then remains dead.
>>712672298It's very solid. The only real downside is that the endings are abrupt.
>>712671371Doubt it.
Would be a massive undertaking.
You will sooner see a gba demake of Hopes.
>>712672403I wish I could see the true Cornelia
Three Hopes is a locked 60fps on Switch 2 thankfully
>>712644845Absolute dogshit taste. Never post again.
>>712671936True, but at the very least you never kill her in that route that i recall, so it comes off as more of "you just never run into Leonie and Claude doesn't send her as part of his gift squad" the latter of which is shocking since she's a fucking merc.
>>712672238yeah in the main game Ingrid has no real reason to join the empire, which might be why she doesn't in Hopes, but while Ashe might be my least favorite Lion, I do like how he's his own character remains consistent in everything.
>>712672298Hopes is pretty great other than the endings.
>>712672435a GBA demake that involves turning more character's gay, inserting a Claude fanboy to rival edelgard and dimitri's, and turning Raphael into a Transman for whatever reason.
No I will never get over Sacred Echos's garbo changes.
>>712672360Yeah, and it only took Veyle and Sombron being in the same room at the same time. And in the end, he was just like slightly stronger than a normal person.
So imagine if, like, Brodia send TWENTY guys at him. Like, uh, like a detachment from an army!
>>712672608>No I will never get over Sacred Echos's garbo changes.Wait what the fuck happens in Sacred Echoes
>>712672756Nigga are you serious? Wtf are a bunch of level 10 spear fighters gonna do to this guy?
>>712671370>Sure would be cool if Diamant brought like a few ships with them to Solm, to get those rings.>Instead of, like, having to save the queen from four hounds and an emblem using twelve people.Like it would make sense for Edelgard to declare war on TWSITD instead of aligning with TWSITD against their enemy and blaming their enemy for TWSITD's actions
>>712672435We could make our demake. We make games, don't we?
>>712672912So I played Sacred Echoes and while that was like 2 years ago I do remember a guy flirting with Saber and Saber being into it but was focused on the job. Also a Theif named Ancantha being added who has a girl crush on Silque
>>712673030>WeDo YOU make games? There's no we.
>>712672982>Wtf are a bunch of level 10 spear fighters gonna do to this guy?Not let him exist, by killing Marni before Sombron even gets more rings.
>>712673130I don't even play games.
>>712673030The only game I remember 4chan making is Pokemon Clover
>>712639808>anime tomboy with short hair>timeskip>more feminine with long hairWhy do they keep doing this? Stop it.
>>712672912as the other guy said, there's the brief saber thing, there's turning Ferand gay for Clive, they add a lesbian who's only personality trait is loving silque, tranny coded character right there, and then Jesse mentions in an support that he used to be a woman somehow.
I have my own reasons for getting mad at these beyond "woke" but they never sat right with me.
>>712673134Marni can unironically solo the Brodian army. They're basically worthless fodder. In-game, emblem rings are considered to be as valuable as innumerable numbers of ordinary soldiers, which should make it obvious why that was their primary goal after losing them.
>>712673283To be fair: 3 Hopes kept get hair short and just styled it into a bob
>>712673328>Jesse mentions in an support that he used to be a woman somehow.Everything else sounds fine on paper but this one is just disrespectful, jeez.
>>712657607>criticizing Byleth for things he deserves to be criticized for."you didn't love your father as much as I do" is not a criticism, it's projection. What is Byleth supposed to do to prove to her that they loved Jeralt? Stick to him like gum, just like she did?
>>712673414>Marni can unironically solo the Brodian army.In order for Hyacinth to kill Morion, he needed an emblem and a cutscene.
Marni's not doing shit to like 40 guys. At best, she kills half of them, but then one of them takes the ring from her.
If you wanna get really technical, spear fighters would be proc'ing that attack assist, all dealing true damage and getting past her ERoy Holdout.
>>712673591Isn't Sombron immune to chain attacks? Checkmate.
>>712673530yeah that's what gets me the most about it, they don't even go into how he'd even transition into a man in this setting, on top of his already canon backstory of "didn't like how strict family was, ran away from home to do whatever he wanted, hits on every woman he sees" feels like it'd be an offensive trans stereotype so why did they do this? i know why ofcourse, fetish shit, but it feels shallow and offensive.
I know it's only in ONE support, but there's no real excuse for doing it as it shows off the real reason why all of its changes exist in the first place, gooning.
>>712673707Well he's not immune but their accuracy is severely reduced. 20% if memory serves
>>712639214 (OP)Hate this cunt in Hopes.
>Despite working to be a Merc, she doesnt join the Lions which means no Byleth paralogue.>Is happy to kill Jeralt as part of Merc code but she willingly dies of poison if you kill Jeralt in SB.Worst tomboy ever.
>>712673709>why all of its changes exist in the first place, gooning.It's not gooning, it's the insertion of identity politics in my vydia to slowly shift the Overton window until they can sneak these things in real politics - this whole process being kinda what "woke" really means.
>>712673939>this whole process being kinda what "woke" really meansYou mean the new definition? Because the colloquial term of "woke" coined by the Black Panthers was to remind everyone in the black community that the establishment is not your friend and to not trust them regardless of what they say or what promises they make. Which is different from the new definition which after the first definition was co opted by companies and media entities as a declaration that they stand with people of color which then extended to any minority at all is now a criticism of organizations that just throw in any sort of minority in attempt to virtue signal. Which ironically the Black Panthers would fucking hate. Malcolm X rolling in his grave could function as a turbine to power a state by this point.
>>712673792spinoffs aren't canon
>>7126737923 Hopes assassinated a lot of characters. I think Dimitri is the only character that actually got some cool development in that game.
>>712673707They won't need to fight Sombron if they win before chapter 22 or whatever.
>>712641701>>712642662What she does is rants endlessly about his fucking Dad, then turns into a bitchy cunt for no reason. Then after he dies, she gets mad at him again and lashes out because she is suddenly incapable of understanding that people grieve differently. Then she apoligizes half heartedly in A support.
It was a dogshit report that immediately turns people off, and rightfully so. She acts like a fucking cunt in it. I almost didnt give her another chance. Thankfully her other supports are far more palatable, though she still needs to shut the fuck up about Jeralt just like how Catherine/Cyril needed to shut the fuck up about Rhea. It was incessant. Dont try to justify it, it was bad.
>>712672238Ashe stared out as my least favorite Lion, and ended up being one of my favorite characters.
It's probably because he has such a personal stake in the story, and has some genuinely good supports.
I'm glad Hopes was able to build on that.
>>712674683Cyril is honestly a gem of a character that i adore, but it's a shame that he talks about Rhea so much, I get it, she's hot, and i would serve her as well if i could, but i like it when character's talk about themselves instead of others.
>>712674451>You know I actually agree with you Edelgard.>Hey Claude I also think the church sucks.No.
>>712674912Agreed. I feel similarly about Catherine, who has a perfect design for my personal tastes but wouldnt stop droning on about Rhea. I dont mind a little bit, but god damn, does it need to be in every fucking support?
>>712674912Why wouldn't he praise the only person that actually cared for him?
Almyra which loves to create orphans like her?
Fodlanese who had him as an slave?
Church people who constantly talk behind his back?
Cyril is based and redpilled and thats why he gets hate while Simps like Dudue and Hubert get all the praise.
>>712675281Why does he need to constantly simp and praise Rhea? Why cant he go 10 seconds without talking about her? Why cant he have hobbies or his own aspirations or just go more than a single support line without talking about wanting to huff Rhea's farts?
>>712675457erm... i thought 3H characters were deep
>>712675281>Cyril is based and redpilled and thats why he gets hate while Simps like Dudue and Hubert get all the praise.Anon, Cyrill is literally a simp
>>712675281True.
>>712675257Catherine only gets to escape it in her blue lions supports for some reason, maybe because that's where she's from, kingdom territory.
>>712675281yeah no he's great and is completely blunt as fuck with what he thinks, it just hurts him since 3H has an innate anti church bias so the fact that it's Rhea is a point of contention.
With that said its obvious his best supports are the ones where Rhea isn't a factor, see the Manuela one for example, Claude is a close second.
>>712675457But he doesnt? You have supports like Lys and Manuela that aren't about her.
And even if it were, why wouldn't her worship the only person that actually cared for him? Its a child slave for fucks sake.
>>712675536Tell me how is say Hubert justified on his simping unlike Cyril.
>>712675618>since 3H has an innate anti church bias so the fact that it's Rhea is a point of contention.Ding ding ding.
>>712675816>Hubert was literally raised to be overly protective of Edelgard.>Even then will actually criticize and do things behind her back.Cyril is simping for a woman that basically views him as a pet.
>>712675939>Cyril is simping for a woman that basically views him as a pet.You're telling on yourself there.
>>712675939>Cyril is simping for a woman that basically views him as a pet.Retarded take.
Even in Hopes she asks to stop escorting her to save Cyril.
>>Even then will actually criticize and do things behind her back.All for the sole purpose of supporting her so just a groomed simp.
>>712676053Rhea's views on humanity are made pretty clear. Besides, Hubert at least has a genuine shot with Edelgard. Cyril basically has to settle with her grandmother.
>>712676104Hell in that stage Cyril is a defeat condition because Rhea refuses to advance without saving him.
She honestly does care about him in some way.
>>712676217>She honestly does care about him in some way.The woman who willingly dies in GW for her ideals is willing to set them aside to save someone.
Thats not some.
Huh, get the feeling that probably wasn't in the original game.
Anyhow, that's Gharnef down. Must admit, casualties are certainly mounting up. Wyvern riders especially decimated a decent chunk of my army. Also lost all of the Whitewing sisters, mostly due to my own stupidity.
Still probably going to clear the game, if only because Marth is a wargod now. Same for some of remaining characters. They are going to have to carry me though, hard.
When's that Vanaheim mainline game?
>>712675618>since 3H has an innate anti church biasIt does? It's one of the few japanese games I have ever played that the Church isn't comically evil, and is in fact, a force for good, and it's characters are all decent people.
>>712676794you aren't wrong, but the amount of propaganda and such that the game goes out of its way to make the church seem shady as fuck(which is it to an extent) is surreal when you look at it.
Not even getting into how BE's gaslights you the entire time, the Western Church drama has Rhea be in the right with passing down judgement on them, but the narrative still treats it as an awful action because she's ordering their deaths.
Also how Rhea is just flat out not playable at all so her screentime/supports falter compared to other characters.
>>712677075It mostly serves a red herring. I mean, unless you play Crimson Flower. But considering you don't learn shit about the big picture in that route.
>>712677163alright i guess what i'm trying is say is, yeah the church is actually pretty good once you get all the facts straight.
But the game gives you a bad first impression on purpose and misdirects you several times on them so that sticks with a lot of people that never quite graduate to the "wait this church lives up to the praise it gets"
>>712677075I believe
>>712677163 has it right - it's just a red herring, to have you wondering about why Jeralt didn't stay with the church, and imply there was something nefarious going on regarding the origins of Byleth, when...there wasn't.
>>712677380Well, yeah. It's especially apparent in Verdant wind. Since Claude himself changes his opinion about Rhea the more he learns. Which, at least in hindsight, is pretty big.
>>712675618Don't forget Catherine's confession scene, it was pretty good, and had one of the best portraits too.
Who should I marry during my Blue Lion playthrough(Playing as a man)?
Other routes is pretty obvious, but not sure about that one.
I cant still believe Hopes though Edelgard needed another simp so they put Monica.
She should have been a Shez sidekick.
>>712677846Confession wise of the Lions is Ingrid.
>>712677874Rhea gets two. Edelgard gets two.
Seems fair to me.
>>712677970>Dimitri has one>Claude has nonehardly seems fair.
>>712677959Going to pair up Ingrid with Sylvain.
>>712677936Hmmm, that might work.
>>712677846Catherine because Rhea is SS's pick
>>712675939It really feels like no matter what the narrative does to humanize Rhea, it will always be interprited as her pretending to be human.
>>712678008I like the fact that Claude doesn't really have one.
Thought it is kind of weird Hilda wasn't one outside of CF.
>>712678278I mean Leister is a fake country and Claude isn't even from there, so it makes sense that no one is loyal to it
>>712678139Blame it on her getting no supports with anybody but Byleth.
Seteth and Flayn get plenty of chances to be humanized despite also being weirdo dragon people. Rhea really doesn't outside of some of the stuff she is mentioned as having done in the past. Three Hopes was a chance to rectify that, but I guess they just didn't feel like it.
>>712678363Yeah. Though, I do like how Three Hopes actually added some people who WOULD be loyal to it to the end.
>>712678387>GW is just Claude bullying a confused Rhea that has no idea why she's even being targetted by him>It's nothing personal Rhea, I just want to see what the world would be like without you in it>Even Edelgard thinks he's going too farClaude really needed that year around normal people in school huh?
Look at them wailing at their own self hatred
>>712678484Claude mostly just needed Byleth to get him interested in actually figuring stuff out before making huge rash decisions. There are hints in the other route that he honestly isn't that much better than he is in GW, but most of his plans never get off the ground due to the Alliance collapsing and he's smart enough to bail as soon as possible.
>>712667789>She's up all night 'til the sun>I'm up all night to get some>She's up all night for good fun>I'm up all night to get Clussy
>>712678387They aren't weirdos. They are just like everyone else. Flayn is just a bit too horny.
>>712678484It's not even just Rhea. Claude fucks over Edelgard after they ally with each other. Because there was a non zero chance that a commander could die and Claude would rather guarantee those dead bodies would be Edelgard's commanders rather trusting his people to just... do the thing he asked them to do. Turning the Empire into an enemy for no fucking reason because he's in a rush to kill Rhea for no fucking reason
>>712679038Seteth, yeah.
Flayn is kind of a dumbass though. It's honestly hilarious how much she sucks at disgusting herself.
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>>712679189>that time Flayn laments the fact humanity is at war again even though she's supposed to be a 14 year old girl
>Wars
>in my shitty FE
no hecking way sister
>>712679126https://youtu.be/KkI_BOCoSTs?si=5DlRaLNo3qf2TfSo
That scene was great
>>712679224Your sister has been running around asking to see every boy's fishing pole and claiming she can smell the fish, professor....
>>712679189>Flayn is kind of a dumbass thoughShe's just got a one track mind.
>>712679356We should just go back to Camus's and Minerva's instead of all this nu-emblem stuff
Why do most of the S rank CGs look so bad? I only realised how ugly most were after I S ranked Linhardt out of curiosity once and his looked great somehow. Speaking of Linhardt, it's insane how much shit he reveals on his supports before it comes up
>>712679456They should make a evil version of Minerva that only joins you because she gets a lady boner when she thinks about murdering her brother.
>>712679553Linhardt is a great character. He tends to scout things with very little information. But he's so lazy that he'll rarely do anything with it.
>>712679553Apparently they got a Otome artist, so the male ones generally look much better than the female ones.
>Speaking of Linhardt, it's insane how much shit he reveals on his supports before it comes upHe's brilliant but lazy. If he actually tried he would probably figure out everything in a week but he mostly doesn't care enough to figure anything out.
>>712679038>Tricks Ferdinand into holding her by pretending to be clumsy>Tricks Dedue into giving her private cooking lessons>Persuades Ignats to paint her>Preys on Raphael's big brother instincts>Conveniently falls alseep near DimitriThat girl is dangerous.
>>712679556That's basically Camilla except she murders to protect her brother
>>712679421>FishSo thatโs what she calls it.
>>712679556you should kys
>>712679660She's a predator but pretending to be prey.
>>712679678Camilla is somehow both overrated and underappreciated.
>>712680121I never played Fates, but if she has any depth to her character I imagine most fans don't look deep enough to see it.
You know, because they get stuck in her massive humongous tits.
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>>712679660My sister is trying to navigate the frustrating and oft confusing labyrinth of adolescence. It is why it is my duty as her brother to assist her in this period of her life. It would be in your best interest to seek out the goddess. For if you seek out my dearest Flayn the only thing you'll find is my wrath
>>712680268I never played Fates either but it reminds me of Pyra from Xenoblade 2. I've always heard that she wasn't a character she that she exists for the tits and the thighs. But after playing it myself, I really, really like Pyra. Divorced from the tits which I still appreciate
>>712680268Her most popular support (Corrin) and meta pairing (Keaton) are both filled with flirting and innuendos. Her sibling supports have depth though.
>>712680432>Her most popular support (Corrin) and meta pairing (Keaton) are both filled with flirting and innuendos.I remeber her support with Corrin being less flirty and more overbearing, with Corrin actually getting annoyed by it.
And her Keaton support is one of the few outside of her family that she doesn't talk about Corrin.
I mea they aren't deep but they're nowhere near her worst ones.
>>712680268>You know, because they get stuck in her massive humongous tits.Yep.
>>712679421>She's just got a one track mind.Cock.
Reminder Manuela and Femleth are her only female supports.
>>712680790>Linhardt ending implies they had at least 3 kids.
>>712680790>No female friendsNot sure if a red flag or based
>>712680924Literally her Byleth ending is they fuck off to some tower while their kids lead.
>>712680278Padre, you need to get laid yourself
>>712679286??? You don't need to live through any previous wars to lament that another one is breaking out. You just need to know a bit of history
>>712679553>Breeds a dragon for scienceI kneel
>>712679286>she's supposed to be a 14 year old girl3H's internal ages don't make sense for the Nabataens because they imply that Seteth was 8 when he impregnated Flayn's mother
>>712680278>It would be in your best interest to seek out the goddess.Take your own advice. She's right fucking there.
>>712653876Because Leonie gets mad at Byleth and Lysithea doesn't. You vastly underestimate how many casuals actually self insert as Byleth and then get personally offended when a character is mean to Byleth, while not caring if a character is mean to any other character. Felix and Lysithea are assholes but they're nice to Byleth and are therefore ok, while Leonie is usually nice but is mean to Byleth which makes her the devil.
>>712681278You do not but the problem is that Flayn says it as though it was something she experienced rather than something she read about. And Byleth can check her on that too
>>712681642Shouldn't this apply to Seteth as well. Seteth is the only staff member that's critical of Byleth up until they rescue Flayn. Then after Byleth becomes the Enlightened One Seteth starts becoming critical of Rhea in addition to Byleth
>>712653876Lysithea is shit too.
>>712681850Difference is Seteth is based, so people like him, while leonie is an ugly sperg
>>712681850No because Seteth's issue with Byleth is one of the few 3H plotholes normalfags also bring up
I am once again ready for no summer Lysithea.
>>712681850Canceled out by how hard Seteth fellates Byleth in Silver Snow.
>>712653876Lysithea quite literally has little girl privileges. If she was a boy people would be calling her Ricken 2.
>>712682059>won CYL>but hasn't had an alt in two yearsSurely this time. Right?
Then there's poor Femleth.
>>712644845Nintendo of America did the thinking.
>>712683079She is so bad people rather give her away to Felix like an unwanted sock instead of keeping her for themselves.
>>712639214 (OP)>try to look up jeralt x leonie sfm>none exist???
>>712644845they all look bad
>>712644845You just have shit taste. Post timeskip Edelgard and especialy Dimitri are peak character design
>>712683262>Post timeskip Edelgardbj horns looks ridiculous
>>712683192Look man Felix has a particular taste and there're only so many little girls to go around
>>712683262Nah Hardien looks better and more impossing.
>>712683262lol. stop using 3hrt troon
>>712681642>You vastly underestimate how many casuals actually self insert as Byleth and then get personally offended when a character is mean to BylethI know this is true and this deeply unsettles me.
>>712683192>She is so badThere are better girls but I would still marry and impregnate her without a second thought
>>712683262>DimitriYes
>Edelgardlol no
Goofy ass horns tiny gir.l The tiny girl huge axe is a funny trope, it doesn't work when you're trying to make it serious and imposing.
>>712682782At least Lysithea has had seasonals and actually shows up in forging bonds unlike pic related. Sucks that Femleth backpacked twice though.
>>712683935stop sucking cock faggot
>>712683935I'll give you the axe, sure, it's retarded. But the dress is pretty, and the horny hairdress is cool. Edelshart's biggest problem is that she's a womanlet. If she was tall the outfit would look great on her
>>712683938Yeah, the treatment of Fodlan women is pretty fucked, when you think about it. Like the only ones treated well were Edelgard, Rhea, FShez, and maybe Hilda.
Marianne and Femleth were put on a backburner for three years without units, Lysithea is coming up on two years, etc.
>>712684161Donโt forget they made Dorothea a demote.
the seal speed ninja has been recruited for real now. if he gains 2 levels he can gain locktouch for those chests near the end and poison strike for additional weakening of ryoma
>>712684161The Edelgard one is pretty funny
>>712684286Hilariously, Fodlan banners are always in the upper half of the year.
Case in point:
>>712684389There was a banner with a 5* Marianne with an inheritable weapon, a 4* prflet statlet Dorothea, Ashe with a worse kit than Fogado from the prior month, and some OC nobody likes, and it still was in the top 1/3rd of the year.
>>712684161cute lesbian couple
Man I remember playing 3H like it was yesterday
I was immediately inmersed into the story and world, and I loved most of the characters and that feeling of caring for your students and school
It only lasted for one route but it was well worth it. Engage didn't even come close
>>712684506>Dimitri always beats EdelgardOmega based
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>>712684596Sadly that's Marisa. So Femleth is forever cucked out of getting a Desert alt.
>>712677846Recruit and impregnate Shamir
>>712684798Man what a weird combination what was the story of this in Heroes
>>712684645So I got 3H on the recommendation of a friend it mine. He couldn't stop taking any it. I played a fuckload of it. Then it got popular on /v/. And for all the complaints about schizos, some of it valid, i had a lot of fun arguing about it. I read through every book, saved screenshots of every interactions. Half because I wanted to win that next exchange. Half because I was genuinely interested in Fodlan as a setting. 5 years later and I see the cracks and shortcomings of the game. There's valid reasons to dislike it. But I appreciate it. Warts and all.
As far as Engage goes, I like it. I did 4 runs through it and I'll probably do more in the future. But I don't feel a need to discuss it.
Remember how the only thing that managed to defeat the daily nonstop /v3hg/ threads that went on for 4 years was the game's own sequel? I remember. I think it's pretty funny
>>712684917Its not weird.
Both are autistic mercs.
In fact Im dissapointed Byleth didn't have Marissa personality. Marissa sells better the emotionless merc image.
>>712684917The justification is that they're both mercs.
It's lame, but it's honestly better than some other harmonics we've had.
Nobody knows why there was a Tana & Peony harmonic to this day. The only reason people can surmise is that Maeda really liked Tana.
>>712685165I don't. I hope he killed himself
>>7126849603H is by no means perfect, but it's a good game. Mechanically it's not the best, but it makes up for it in other areas.
Engage is fun too.
>>712684960Fair, it's not a perfect game by any means but as an experience I felt that it was much better than engage. And as you said, discussing it was a lot of fun too.
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>>712684925Why wasn't his name Yaoi?
>>712684467breaking this pot optimally
>>712685275It was some play on words that got lost in translation. Oh yeah, I remember. He's called Ulysses in moonspeak, and Hapi calles him Uly, or rather Yuri, because nips can't into the la-li-lu-le-lo. That's why he ended up being Yuri in english
>>712685165>i miss the troonkek
>>712685552Our resident troon is the AGP Aleartroon
>>712685625He's not ours by any chance, because that trannoid doesn't belong to the fe3h not-general on /v/
>>712685625>lumping alearCHADS to bernieKEKS
>>712683262The โlobster empressโ look is definitely more iconic but as a waifufag I personally prefer her cuter pre timeskip version.
>>712685832>Pads her chestWhy did she do it?
>>712685713lumping alearCHADS *with* bernieKEKS, ESL-kun. If you want to use "to" you'd say "comparing alearCHADS to bernieKEKS"
>>712685335i think I'm going too slow.
>>712685884Self-esteem issues after being anally raped by undergrownd jews
>>712683935What would make for a better weapon for her? Just magic? A sword? A rapier?
>>712685914named this forged weapon after one of sylveon's abilities because i can.
>>712685832edelchud motive is dumb, even veyle has more motive than that retard. plus veyle is cute and a dragon
I'm always at a time crunch towards the end of this chapter. not this time. if camilla has to eat every single soul on this map then so be it.
>>712685991To look intimidating? Go the Napoleon Route, don't carry a weapon, and be surrounded by a bunch of really intimidating, gigantic people, to the point your enemies mock your size even further, but never to your face, since your goons will fuck them up. Also, not just one (what Hubert is trying to pull off, not that sucessfully), but a bunch of them.
Or use a gun. That could work too.
>>712686316i suddenly realized i forgot to deploy that seal speed ninja
oops
i even gave him tonics. I'm so stupid.
>>712686348Guns are cringe, and I meant more for the harmoneous look. I guess a simple sword on the hip would do. Nips constantly try to do the "girly girl with a huge axe" thing, and it never works and ends up looking retarded
>>712686348>Or use a gunKind of funny that in Houses, Sylvain negotiates a treaty that makes the Crest of Gautier pointless while in Hopes Sylvain invents guns. Why is Sylvain effortlessly doing what Edelgard burned down a continent to do?
>>712685625What's the problem with him?
>>712686682Because he's best boy. He deserves only the best things happening to him
>>712686682>negotiates a treaty that makes the Crest of Gautier pointlessEh, every treaty is only good if you're negotiating from the position of power and have tools to make going back on that treaty a bigger hassle than adhering to it, and his crest is precisely such a tool
>>712686480extreme dance shenanigans unlocked
>>712687056I guess the difference being that Sreng knows about the Crest of Gautier and the Lance of Ruin and that hasn't stopped then from having skirmishes with the Gautier family before. So for Sylvain to make them stop for the foreseeable future is pretty insane
>>712686640A sword on the hip would look regal, specially if she didn't need to use it much. Big shoulderpads, a red cloak and a sword on the hip is pretty cool.
Guns was more of a joke, but considering her plans, they fit so much with it. A big factor for the fall of aristocracy was commoners with firearms being effective troops with very little training, and more effective than a life-long of martial training. I could see an anti-Crest revolution being sparked by a new discovery such as firearms.
>>712685275because Yuri is also a russian name you uncultured braindead retard
>>712685991Well going by the character that she was meant to be a spiritual successor to, El should have been a magic+sword unit (even if Arvis never actually uses it in combat and itโs just a ceremonial thing)
>>712687360>even if Arvis never actually uses it in combat and itโs just a ceremonial thingThat's okay. Edelgard never uses the Sword of Seiros either even though she has it
>>712686640Just to correct myself, maybe not sparked by a new discovery, but at least enabled by a discovery. It would fit Edelgard as an antagonist to Rhea too, as the discovery (something the Church tries to repress, for the good of mankind) would be directly correlated with her revolution (ideologically so) as well as pratically so (as the means for this revolution, to overpower crest-bearers).
>>712687239>Guns was more of a joke, but considering her plans, they fit so much with it. A big factor for the fall of aristocracy was commoners with firearms being effective troops with very little training, and more effective than a life-long of martial training. I could see an anti-Crest revolution being sparked by a new discovery such as firearms.This reminds me of a game where this exact scenario plays a major part in the story. In the Life and Suffering of Sir Brante gunpowder (as well as magic) was banned in fear of commonners using it to start a rebellion against the nobility
>>712687192>that hasn't stopped then from having skirmishesI guess it's the Gautiers' own fault for not going full on Caesar on sreniggers' asses
>>712687064i hate these stupid apothecaries
Why didn't Grima just shake off the party like flees to get them off him?
He would have won.
>>712687739Well Faerghus actually did attempt that... sort of. King Lambert decided he was fucking done with Sreng and so he rounded up his buddies and marched into Sreng with all of his Hero's Relics and everything. But while they were in the middle of the fight, Saint Macuil as the Wind Caller smashed into the battlefield forcing both armies to retreat
>>712687604>Life and Suffering of Sir BranteI have never heard of this game. Looks a lot like a Darkest Dungeon clone. Any good?
>>712687814i found a way to break through
>>712651743With Raul gone is it ok to like Shamir now? Asking for a friend.
>>712687980please stop trying to make sense of awakenings plot
>>712688080>Looks a lot like a Darkest Dungeon cloneIt's not. Only the artstyle is similar. It's a visual novel. Yes, it's very good. I recommend you play it. Has 3 distinctive routes each worth playing, and the setting is great.
>>712656075Itโs a 3D game on a home console, has Shove, and the MC is an autistic mercenary. Clearly it is a love letter to Path of Radiance, the best FE game.
its pozzed and has horrible graphics not like you shit eaters will mind
>>712688152oops i think silas is dead.
whatever who needs mini xander when we're going to get the real deal in a few chapters anyways.
>>712688453every game from fates onwards except the remake is pozzed
>>712688453>its pozzedIt's really not. I don't mind different races as long as they make sense. Dedue being brown is fine, since he's from a distinct group; Duscur. Petra being brown is fine, she's from another continent, not from Europe (Fodlan). Claude being brown is fine, he's mixed with sandniggers from outside the continent. The good people are nobility and religious, commoners are annoying, and the best endings lead Fodlan into either Theocracies or Monarchies.
> has horrible graphicsI don't really care, I still play SNES and GBA games in 2025.
>>712684596No, no gays here. Shez should be reproduced only by manleth
>>712688580a classic from my days on the phantom ship but this time it actually poses no danger. lunge so we drag him into a horde of enemies. guard gauge so his attack deals 0
>>712688787its pozzed dumb faggot enjoy your open borders crap
>>712688886Prince Dimitri closed the borders, and he did NOT send money and Crest-weapons for Almyra to wage war against it's neighbours.
>>712688795Cute and canon
>>712689282not that bad for turn 9 if you ignore the 2 deaths.
>>712689832here goes nothing
>>712690269I'm running out of turns but lucky i gave myself so many.
>>712690596giving the boss a taste of his own medicine. kaze shouldn't die from this unless he gets crit and it leaves the boss crippled.
>>712690870the situation isn't perfect.
>>712689069your route will never be canon BL faggot
>>712691384if the boss doesn't die after i press end turn i might be able to get some of the chests. odin is nostanking forming a wall against the apothecaries.
Wait you get replacement units in FE12?
>>712691671>your dancer should never see combat so it's stats don't matter tards when i show them dancer having 100% hit against one of the dodgiest fuckers in the gameI'm not going to do it as there's one more chest left but it would be funny.
>>712692032that's the second chest. now prepare me my kitchen sink, i must toss it ryoma's way along with everything else.
>>712692176>having faith in ISThey didn't even give us Fallen Shez.
>>712692189you know we hit those 63%s on the last turn.
before anyone accuses me of save stating let me remind you 2 people died this chapter.
>>712692321won an onyx in the arena
with the death of niles it might be time for bowzu.
Save: https://files.catbox.moe/deiz23
Better tomboy. Though I never understood why certain parts of the fandom hate her so much?
>>712693432She cuts her hair thus ruining herself
>>712693432Because le racismo
>>712693432Blue Lions is the Otome route for Femleth and Ingrid ruins that by being the childhood friend of the main three guys. Other than that some shippers hate her because she tells Dorothea to fuck off for trying to hit on her. Some even hate her because they don't know how to use her in fights, she's an S tier mage killer though you might have to boost her STR a bit manually if RNG isn't working out for you.
>>712693761>Sanaki and FogadoI am so sick of Tellius and Engage.
>>712693952>SanakiSince when did her breasts get as huge as that
>>712694054FEH keeps aging her up, probably thanks to the bridal backlash
>>712693952I wouldn't mind Sanaki, but I think that it could be Lys too.
>What about the boo-Sexo magic.
>>712693761booba or floaties??
>>712694054What breasts? That's hair, see?
>>712694115Lysithea doesn't have a straight cut at the bottom of her hair.
I want it to be Lysithea, and the artist might have taken some liberties, but I bet it's not her.
>>712693761Probably not but dreaming is free.
>>712694303I will post this Peony, in hopes that your good dream comes true!
>>712693761Looks like Camus on the right
>>712693761It might be Lysithea, but I doubt it.
>>712694468>implying an archanea male would get anything these days
>>712694468>>712694575They started giving Echoes alts again, and the left could be Rinea. The Allegiance Battle season also said Echoes will be there, so it might be an Echoes summer banner.
She looks too small to be Rinea though
>>712694767Wait until you see the art difference between Veyle and Fallen Veyle.
Or how Femleth always gets a breast reduction.
>Fehshitter
peak subhuman
>>712694767>It is, but the artist lolified herOh, Twitter will love to see it
>>712695007Sorry we're discussing the most recent official Fire Emblem content.
Are you upsetti wetti that we didn't look at your Fates screenshots again?
>>712695081>Are you upsetti wetti that we didn't look at your Fates screenshots again?kekaroooooo!
>>712695081yuck I don't do playthoughs projecting gachatranny
Verdant Wind is the best route. Golden Deer the best class.
Damn is Engage that bad that no one talks about it here?
Lysithea Annette summer duo
>>712693761Its Orochi or some other Hoshidan chick on the left.
>>712695254Summer Merrin would be nice
>>712695254I mean as a game it was serviceable. But there was nothing really memorable about it.
>>712693761It's Ivy and they stupid face thing is behind her face instead of in front
>>712695254The gameplay itself is good, but it was all discussed to death the month after it came out. Anyone that has a question just googles it.
That was two years ago. Every other aspect of the game is meh to bad. It has nothing worth discussing.
>>712695591We already had Ivy, she was the first Engage seasonal. Also the only Engage seasonal banner to sell well, aside from Winter "carried by three Fodlan lords" Yunaka.
SUMMER HORTENSIA WITH HAIR DOWN
>>712695254so good the multiplayer is dead kek
>>712695934Why do they keep trying multiplayer with fire emblem? it's been going on since the DS days and it's never been good.
Anyway, I hope this means that summer Lapis/Citrinne can be a thing...
>>712695934damn that's sad. esp since it's more focused on the gameplay lmao
another shit engayge flop lol
new FE announcement is imminent
>>712696339At least I get to save orbs for the next Gullveig.
Next year, surely! With the TT+!